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Secret Societies and Ancient Mysteries W/Brad Lee | Off The Record Ep 005 · Sky Signal

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  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to yet another episode of
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  the Off the Record podcast. As always, I am your host, Jason
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  Abedi. With me today is Bradley
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  Justice, researcher, writer. He writes for the Hemispheric
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  Press. He's also writing his own
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  columns over on Substack. A longtime friend of the
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  channel, friend of the show. Brad, welcome to the show.
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  Thank you for coming on today. Thank you for having me.
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  I feel like I'm in honored territory.
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  I'm a fan of your previous guests, Paul Wallace and Miguel
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  Connor, and a recent fan of Heather Lynn.
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  I sort of fall on her sub stack, you know, so she mentioned she
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  was going to be on your channel. So I'm getting started.
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  Little small potatoes compared to them.
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  I just got a few columns out on Hemispheric Press and maybe one
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  of my own right now. I've got a few of them in the
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  queue. So it's kind of talking about
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  some of the things you're interested in I've been writing
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  more about. So let let me start with
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  Hemisphere Press as a small publisher that's run by Trevor
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  and David. Trevor has a book out called
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  God's Eye View and Shroud Pill. So he's more of an Orthodox
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  Christian kind of convert. Whereas David has been writing
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  and working with me. He's writing about Epstein and
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  Van ever Bush and a lot of the stuff that don't with Epstein as
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  far as the weird science and some of the stuff she were
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  getting into with Heather about the the deeper science
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  connections and it ties in. You know, Vannevar Bush was not
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  one of the Bushes, but he's part of the group that found Tesla's
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  work. Him and Trump were part of the
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  group that that captured it when when Tesla passed away.
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  And so he's doing his columns now and what we call the Boston
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  project 2 point O. So I thought you and him might
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  really have an interesting conversation based on the stuff
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  I was here with Heather. We, we, he's got quite a few of
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  those columns out and he's got some other stuff on Kuharik and
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  the 9. And that's another interest of
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  mine. I'm currently doing some
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  research on Uri Geller written by Andre Kuharik.
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  And so I never would have guessed.
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  I didn't plan to write about JFK as much as I have, but it's kind
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  of like, you know, we were discussing earlier, a lot of
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  this stuff is connected and everything's connected, you
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  know? And so like, I started looking
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  into it, you know, and you have these connections that go into,
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  you could call it the deep state.
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  You know, I think of them as these robber barons.
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  It's a group that started after the, you know, late 1800s.
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  And you could see, you know, you get John Foster, then you get
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  John Foster Dulles and then you get George Herbert Walker and
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  you get George Herbert Walker Bush and you can see him all all
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  blended together. You see the same group like with
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  Pooh Harak and the nine, you know, there's nine of them
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  channeling. You got Bouvier and DuPont and
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  Arthur Young and Arthur Young's the guy who invented the Bell
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  helicopter. And so it's, that's a pretty
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  interesting, you know, one of the things that comes up
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  frequently is we're touching this fame elephant, you know,
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  and a lot of people seem to be, you know, into this kind of
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  research right now. There's lots of different,
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  different of us that are looking at it, you know, and I'm really
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  excited for the direction of your channel, by the way,
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  because of the Gnostic aspect. What one of the topics you
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  cover, you know, is Brotherhood of the snake and anarchy
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  connection. And so I met Trevor and David
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  through another podcast called Brothers of the Serpent.
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  And so we all kind of got chatting on there.
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  And so Trevor wrote, wrote a couple books, had it published.
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  And so I've been on Hemisphere Press has bad press.
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  And so David came up with Brad press for my guest appearances
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  on there. And it's just kind of stuck fit,
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  you know, let's you know, I feel like I'm I like writing and I've
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  been looking for my niche and I've been trying to write these
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  columns for about a year now, but it's been trying to figure
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  out how to write it, but it was difficult.
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  And so David asked me to come talk about the Discordians.
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  And so I'm like, sure. And so I, I have AI picked up
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  the book a long time ago called Prankster and the Conspiracy by
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  Kerry Thornley or about Kerry Thornley by Adam Go Riley.
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  And it talks a lot about, you know, the JFK assassination.
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  And so it ties in with this group that's run, you know, by
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  the Dulles brothers, Brown, Brooks, Harriman, you know,
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  Sullivan and Cromwell. We have the same group that is
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  tied in with these robber barons and the, I guess you call them
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  the deep state apparatus. You see them, you know, John
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  Dulles was CIA, Alan Dulles was CIA.
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  You know, they're all connected to the highest levels of
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  government. You know, like, George Bush was
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  president, you know, before that he was CIA, you know, And so
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  there's a lot of these interesting pieces that connect
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  together. Yeah, for sure.
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  And that's, you know, one of the things that I was really kind of
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  talking about with the with Doctor Lynn yesterday and what
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  you and I were just talking about before we, you know,
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  stopped started recording the show.
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  I yeah, I started with the the Anunnaki, but I want to focus on
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  more the connection because it is everything is connected, you
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  know, especially with like you were talking with the
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  brotherhood of the Saint of the Snake, right?
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  It's all this serpent imagery that we see coming starting in
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  ancient Sumeria, and it just kind of percolates into
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  everything else. And you see the serpent imagery
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  everywhere. And then to tie that into
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  Gnosticism, you know, the standard Christian, Abrahamic,
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  religious, you know, viewpoint is the serpent was the villain,
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  right? But if you actually read Genesis
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  and you actually, you know, see what's going on, the only liar
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  there was the Yahweh figure in the garden.
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  He's the only one that told a lie.
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  You know, he said, you eat this fruit, you'll die.
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  But that's even like, you know, mainstream biblical scholars
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  will, will tell you, you listen to a guy like Dan Mccullen and
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  he'll he'll break it down for you.
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  Like there's nowhere in that translation that it actually
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  means that, you know, oh, you, you that just means that someday
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  you'll die or that they were immortal before.
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  It was literally he was saying on the day you eat this, within
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  a 24 hour period, you'll die. And that didn't happen.
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  What what happened was what the serpent said was going to
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  happen. You their eyes were opened and
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  they actually, they realized and they had this, this knowledge
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  now, because beforehand humans were so stupid and dull that we
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  didn't even realize we were naked, you know, if you actually
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  read it. And then when I started, you
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  know, researching Gnosticism, you see how the same with in the
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  Sumerian stories where Inky is actually a more of a benevolent
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  figure. In the Gnostic text, the serpent
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  is portrayed as the benevolent figure, the bringer of
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  knowledge, sometimes even like the female spiritual presence is
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  referred to. So I feel like it's all tied
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  together. And then the same with these
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  power structures. A lot of people don't remember,
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  like, you know, the church in mainstream Christianity.
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  This was part of the power structure for so long.
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  Entire empires were built around this.
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  These like Gnostic ideas were suppressed.
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  And you don't. You don't burn libraries and
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  kill people over ideas that don't matter.
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  You know what I mean? Yeah.
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  You know, I, I plan to like, treat a lot of things as
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  prehistory, starting with what I view as the Arabic Empire and
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  Islamic golden age from like 7:50 to 1000.
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  You get the proto Crusades. So a lot of our knowledge was
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  lost because of, you know, the burning of the Library of
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  Alexandria and all this. And so all of our texts were
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  translated from Arabic into Latin and Greek.
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  But to go back to the serpent for a little while, you know, I,
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  I like this guy named William Donahue, who's recently passed
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  away. He does this thing called hidden
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  meanings. And so he susses out these kind
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  of Gnostic Eastern philosophy, Mystic traditions that we find
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  in the Bible. And so I think of the Kundalini
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  aspect with the serpent, like it's before we knew we were
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  going to die, you know, we just died, you know, we didn't really
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  have the language for it. Like you were saying, logos is
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  another another term, you know, that's kind of interesting with
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  all the logos we see today. So I think of it as the
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  Kundalini, like I, I, I guess it's natural within us, but it
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  can be induced through like Hatha and Kriya yoga, different
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  techniques, you know, to enhance it.
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  But it's something like that seems to be within us.
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  And then it's, I think of it a lot in terms of electromagnetics
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  these days, you know, energy like it's, it's egregore in a
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  sense. The serpent is not a literal
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  serpent, but you can see, you know, you can have this
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  experience, you know, you know, we're talking about DMT also.
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  And a lot of these techniques that you do are the synthesis of
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  East and West with Eastern meditation techniques, the
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  Western ceremonial techniques, you know, and, and a lot of the
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  you don't even have to practice the ceremonial magics.
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  It's kind of been programmed into US.
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  And so that's one of the things I'll talk about too, is this
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  language aspects and how these things are implanted in US
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  through Sumatra and the Logos and whatnot.
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  But the other aspect of the serpent that comes in for me is
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  of, of Fucus, the 13th constellation, the servant
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  bearer. So it to me, you know, you have
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  a lot of esoteric topics about this hidden aspect.
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  And so we have 12 and the Zodiac 12 is one of those numbers that
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  comes up and 13 is unlucky, supposedly, you know, but
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  whether that's through Jesus or the 9th temple or October 13th,
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  you know, but it's, it's another one that I think is, is obscured
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  or occulted. And, and so Afukus is, if you
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  look at a lot of these texts, there's another researcher I
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  really like a David Matheson, who does a lot of the astrology
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  and he does a lot of work about myth and trauma and astrology
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  and relating these biblical stories and myths to pure
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  astrological or astronomical. You know, he goes to the
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  constellations and whatnot. But once you start seeing
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  Ophiuchus, you'll, you'll see it everywhere.
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  And so I think of it as tied in and it's something I want to
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  explore further in my writing. Is Ophiuchus through like the
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  order of Melchizedek and things like that.
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  Unlike Heather, I'm not an initiate.
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  I've never joined any organizational order.
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  I have no vows If I break anything.
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  Me neither. If I say any, if I say anything,
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  you know, I'm, I'm not breaking any vows because I haven't, I
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  haven't taken any of those. I I don't belong to anybody, but
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  it is rapscallion named Aleister Crowley happened to publish all
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  this stuff in the equinox and then his secretary Israel
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  regarding published the rest of them initiates how to self
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  initiate at the Golden Dawn. So I was just practicing
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  meditation and I was just trying to do these things like, you
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  know, just to be a better person.
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  Like, I just didn't like who I was very much like I, I was an
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  addict and an alcoholic. I, I was mainly a drunk, but you
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  know, you're, when you're an addict or an alcoholic, you're
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  addicted to a lot of things. And so I was just trying to come
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  back to myself after having gone through this journey and, and
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  you know, I, I, I am very blessed because I didn't screw
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  my life all the way up, but I, I had, I, I pushed it to the
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  brake. And then I realized, you know, I
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  had some traumatic ear happen in 2018 and I was like, OK, that's
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  it. I'm done.
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  I quit drinking and I started getting back and to philosophy
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  and reading. I was like, what have we
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  learned? You know, and it's like the
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  standard model, there's this saying, you know, it moves one
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  death at a time. I guess not a lot of people died
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  in the last 20 years because that needle hadn't moved at all.
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  Like they were still sticking with the same paradigms as far
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  as, you know, history was ghost. And that's when I found Graham
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  Hancock and started looking into the ancient histories again.
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  And that's when I discovered the brothers of the servant.
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  And you know, it was back in 2020.
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  And so I had a lot of downtime like a lot of us did.
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  So I started doing yoga and things like that.
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  And so I had this experience and I was like, this is just like
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  they write about these esoteric books, like the and I didn't
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  have the language then for Kundalini and some of that, you
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  know, And so I, I had to go back and rediscovered, I studied like
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  I did. I was like a amateur of coldest
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  back in the 90s. And I studied a lot of this
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  stuff. And so with my writing, I'm
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  going to go and one of the main characters, I'm going to write
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  about his guy named Robert Anton Wilson, who covers a lot of
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  these occult figures. And so in the 60s, you get Tim
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  Leary, Robert Anton Wilson, you get Alan Watts and Alan Watts
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  and Tim Leary. I think Robert Anton Wilson and
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  his book, I've got to go back and and do some find some other
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  sources for this. But Robert Anton Wilson writes
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  about Alan Watts introducing them to Crowley.
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  Like that's Alan Watts is kind of like the progenitor of a lot
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  of this. And Leary Miguel recently had a
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  guest on who was talking about Leary and Larry says, you know,
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  he was a preincarnate of Aleister Crowley.
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  So in flashbacks by Leary, which I no longer have, but I've got
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  the synopsis from Cosmic Trigger with Robert Anton Wilson, he
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  talks about that. And it's not like a little
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  reincarnation. A lot of these, you know, to me,
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  I think it goes back to archetypes.
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  And you know, a lot of us can tap, tap into this wounded
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  healer archetype. We'll see that with Elvis, you
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  know, which, which Miguel writes about as well, which is a really
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  fantastic book. And I never expected to be read
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  a book about Harry Geller or Elvis, but here I am, you know?
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  Yeah, no, that's you're, you're, you're tapping into some, some
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  really important stuff. I I like that you brought up
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  Alan Watts, because I was just thinking about that.
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  And we're talking about astrology a minute ago because a
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  lot of people kind of Foo Foo on astrology.
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  But I think that there's like the surface level astrology and
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  then there's like the actual deeper stuff, kind of like the,
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  the guy from the world astrology report that we were watching the
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  other day. But I was you, you mentioned
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  Alan Watts. I read his little, he has a
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  little book that he literally just called the book.
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  I think it's about that thick. It's not very, very long.
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  But I remember reading that back in 2020 and he had a, a little
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  piece in where he was talking about astrology and how
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  important it is and how this is basically like if you wanted a,
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  a snapshot of the entire universe, whenever a person is
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  born, that's where you'd look. That's what astrology would give
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  you. It's like a just a picture of,
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  of where everything is and, and how how important that is.
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  And I think that's, I don't know that really that really stuck
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  with me over the years. What there's a quote like
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  millionaires don't use astrology, billionaires do.
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  Through Crowley and whatnot, I, I became interested in Kabbalah
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  and I, there's different ways you can approach Kabbalah is,
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  you know, Jewish mysticism. There's like the Renaissance
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  Christian version with AC, and so the Jewish is with AK and
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  then Kabbalah with AQ, which is the more Gnostic.
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  And so I had read all this stuff in the 90s and I had this
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  experience. I was like, OK, I've got to
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  figure out what's going on with me.
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  And so a lot of this stuff I think is baked into our
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  language, like horoscopes. You know, I grew up with that in
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  the paper every day. But then you start following,
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  looking at the etymology and things like this.
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  And so a lot of these things have correlations within
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  language, and so they'll be tied in through different things.
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  And then symbolism, you'll see it everywhere.
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  Like once you start figuring out how to like read these signs,
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  you'll see them everywhere like in medieval paintings,
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  Renaissance paintings and modern day like a lot of this imagery
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  will go through and you'll see these things like the 12 like
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  there's 12 Zodiac signs, 12 comes up quite a bit and
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  numerology and it's it's linked back to those Zodiac signs and
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  you know with the Hebrew language you have like it breaks
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  it down into 3 mother letters, 7 double S and 12 elemental like
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  letters and those are all related to Zodiac signs.
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  But then what it appears to me to be as a way to work on your
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  own mind. You know, one of the concepts I
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  like to tell people is, you know, I try it.
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  You know, what we all learn to do is how to respond, not react.
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  When we're reacting to something, we're just dancing to
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  somebody else's too. So these techniques allow us to
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  not react, but to take a step back and respond, you know, and
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  in order to do that, you know, you have to, to practice like,
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  you know, so you mentioned not, not, you know, struggling with
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  meditation. You know, it's, it's like a
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  skill you have to, to build up. And so you can do guided
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  meditations to help you get started, you know, but you got
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  to pump that prime to to have have them going.
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  It it appears as though we're in a process like I've I've I've
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  got that book, by the way, the Alan Watts, the book, my buddy
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  I've I've loaned it out. It's really good.
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  I think I've just lost flashbacks, but yeah, I, I, Alan
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  Watts talks about us being a process, you know, and it's
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  interesting. I see that like I could see like
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  how he got it now from like reading like Libra 0 by Crowley
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  or something like that. You know, where it talks about,
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  you know, these are, are the Kabbalah, the tree of life is a
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  way to to map your unconscious and to deal with it.
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  And so you can see how these things correlate between, you
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  know, love and justice, severity and and mercy.
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  You know, you have to have this balancing act between it and so
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  a lot of the imagery we see, you know, it appears to be a lot of
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  those things seem to appear over and over again.
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  Like one of the things are used quite a bit is the Pythagorean
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  to attract us as well as the tree of life.
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  So a lot of it seems like a lot of numerology, which a lot of
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  people may may not appreciate, but you have to know how to use
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  it. You know as well, like what are
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  the key numbers like? Because it seems like we're in
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  an information field, like there's information all around
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  us. And so extracting that
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  information into useful bits, like I think one of the things
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  that comes up is like these Bible codes, but you cannot, you
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  can like take any text and break it down.
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  And because it's all been built on the same building blocks of
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  gematria. So gematria is where every
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  letter is enough as well. So a lot of it is based on on
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  that. One of the one of the things
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  that comes up with Gnosticism is this idea of Demiurge, the
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  creator. And it's hard to escape the fact
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  that there's a creator, like everything around us has a
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  hidden pattern of creation. You'll find this Fibonacci
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  sequence everywhere you look. So you'll find it in and then
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  the Kabbalah, the Tree of life, as well as the Tetractus.
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  And so one of the other things that came up in in my mind when
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  I was watching the most recent podcast with Heather was I think
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  she mentioned like 0 point energy or you have free energy.
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  And I think first we need to figure out plasma physics before
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  we can get to the ether. I think there's a lot there with
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  plasma that we're still trying to discover.
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  And so one of the books I plan to review or, or uses research,
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  and this is a book by Robert Temple called A New Science of
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  Heaven. Temple wrote the serious mystery
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  back in the day, if you've ever read that one.
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  And so there's a lot of the, the serious mystery is about the
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  Dogon tribe and Africa and how they knew Sirius was had a has a
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  second orbiting body around it. Like before, you know, they
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  didn't have any kind of scientific other tribe of people
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  in Africa. And so they realized that Sirius
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  B was out there. And so he wrote a book called A
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  New Science of Heaven, which goes into plasma physics.
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  So one of the things that dawned on me was in school we learned
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  about solid, liquid and gas, but Aristotle taught about Earth,
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  liquid, air and fire. And so we have the same thing.
• 24:01
  If you add plasma, you have solid, liquid, gas and plasma,
• 24:07
  and you have Earth, liquid, air and fire.
• 24:09
  So you have this direct correlation where you can see
• 24:12
  how things have been kind of, we've been trapped into this
• 24:17
  materialistic paradigm, which is this harmonic force.
• 24:22
  I think in the tradition I, I've study or follower my protocols,
• 24:27
  you have a Luciferian aspect and a Arimonic aspect.
• 24:33
  And those are the two traps of the matrix.
• 24:37
  You know, I refer to the Masons as much maligned.
• 24:42
  What we have to do is we have to use fungibility when it comes to
• 24:46
  the Masons because you can have Masons who are Luciferian, you
• 24:52
  can have Masons who are satanic, you can have Masons who are
• 24:55
  Christian, you can have Masons who are, you know, you have to
• 24:57
  believe in a higher power. So it depends on the aggregor
• 25:01
  and the lodge. And when I say satanic here,
• 25:04
  we're talking about an adversarial, you know, people
• 25:09
  have a lot of religious trauma and and Prof things that, you
• 25:15
  know, don't don't jibe with that Abrahamic, you know, traditions.
• 25:22
  And so, you know, you're going to burn in hell for the rest of
• 25:26
  your life, you know, and you get hit with that at a young age.
• 25:29
  And, and that's what happens to people like Crowley.
• 25:32
  He grew up in an evangelical and and so he was scarred, you know,
• 25:36
  by that, you know, and, and you could see a lot of people who
• 25:40
  have that same trauma because they're trapped in that literal
• 25:46
  paradigm. And so I guess you can argue a
• 25:50
  lot of things about some of these people, but, you know,
• 25:55
  whether he actually succeeded or not, But in the actual writings
• 26:01
  and literature you can see, you know, you shouldn't take these
• 26:05
  experiences that happen with meditation and occult magic as
• 26:12
  literal truths. They're psychological tools to
• 26:17
  help build your psyche, help your concentration, help your
• 26:21
  mental prowess, you know, help you become the best person you
• 26:24
  can be if that's what you want. No, I think that's super
• 26:28
  important to to understand because when you talk about
• 26:32
  things mean Satanic, like the word Satan is this the Hebrew
• 26:36
  word hasatan. It's not a name.
• 26:38
  It was never intended to be a name.
• 26:39
  It's just means that the adversary, the one who's opposed
• 26:41
  any there can be anybody can be a hasatan.
• 26:44
  There's multiple Hasatans in the Bible and the serpent in the
• 26:47
  garden. There's there's absolutely no
• 26:49
  connection between saying that that is the literal devil, this
• 26:54
  idea that people have today of the devil with this, this guy
• 26:56
  with horns and a pitchfork and a tail, That's a cartoon character
• 26:59
  that is a, a, a product of Hollywood.
• 27:03
  It's not real. It's not an actual thing.
• 27:05
  There's a I'm sure you're familiar with Doctor Michael
• 27:07
  Heizer. Even though he came, you know,
• 27:09
  you know what I'm talking about. I'm familiar with his name, not
• 27:12
  a lot of his work, but he's recently been on my Twitter feed
• 27:15
  quite a bit about. He passed away, Yeah, he passed
• 27:19
  away a few years ago. He had, I think he had colon
• 27:22
  cancer or something. But he, he was a, a theologian,
• 27:26
  biblical scholar. I know even though he did, he
• 27:28
  was a fundamentalist Christian, he did come at it from that,
• 27:30
  that lens. He still would engage with the
• 27:33
  more esoteric ideas and actually gave the actual ideas.
• 27:36
  And it was because of his work that I, you know, coming out of
• 27:39
  an evangelical background, learned the truth about, you
• 27:42
  know, what a hasatan was. What?
• 27:44
  There's no connection between the serpent in the garden and
• 27:46
  the character that we see in something like, say, the Book of
• 27:48
  Job. The Book of Job, that's just
• 27:50
  another one of these divine figures that's part of this
• 27:53
  massive council of, you know, divine, the divine council that
• 27:57
  is just doing his job. He said, where have you been?
• 27:59
  I have been going to and fro among the earth, just doing my
• 28:01
  job, just checking on things. Have you checked out Job?
• 28:04
  You see, my servant Job, it's like, Oh yeah, he loves you,
• 28:07
  He's great, He's great. I'll bet you, I'll bet you we
• 28:10
  can, we can change that, you know.
• 28:12
  And then you got this, this divine cosmic bet between these
• 28:16
  two entities, these two figures. But this character of the devil
• 28:21
  that's that's made-up, that's just, that's a Hollywood
• 28:23
  creation. And I feel like a lot of people
• 28:25
  don't understand that even today.
• 28:27
  I was pleasantly surprised at some of these things showing up
• 28:32
  in this book on Hurry Geller. There's a a section where
• 28:39
  Kuharik's talking about how he doesn't think of God as a being,
• 28:44
  you know, like, and he refers to the Elohim of the Bible.
• 28:48
  And I'm like, wow, back it, you know it.
• 28:51
  I was glad, glad to see see that that concept.
• 28:55
  You know, they're, they're dealing with what he finds to
• 29:00
  be, you know, the nine. He refers to the Milan as
• 29:04
  extraterrestrial. And I'm not, as you know, I'm a
• 29:10
  little bit more skeptical about the extraterrestrial hypothesis
• 29:13
  these days. I, I think there's, whatever
• 29:17
  this is, has been here and we're interacting with it and we have
• 29:21
  been for a long time, but it does.
• 29:24
  That's the ultra terrestrial instead of extraterrestrial.
• 29:28
  I, I don't know. I, I, I wonder, you know, was
• 29:32
  there a superior, you know, a homo superior to us before?
• 29:36
  And we've been, it does appear like we've been tuned down.
• 29:40
  Like if you look at like, I think you covered this quite a
• 29:42
  bit in your work where we've been genetically modified.
• 29:47
  We were much more powerful and more capable, you know, and
• 29:53
  somebody didn't like that and tuned us down to where we're at
• 29:56
  today, you know? From what I've studied, it looks
• 29:59
  like there was two things. It looks like there was an
• 30:01
  initial upgrade and then a downgrade because the the the
• 30:04
  upgrades put us at a level that we were uncontrollable so it had
• 30:09
  to be nerfed almost. Yeah, I, I, I, I can track that,
• 30:15
  you know, I, I, it, it's very interesting because you see the,
• 30:20
  the other one is, I wonder if we have been reconstituted as well.
• 30:25
  You see a lot of these ossuaries and or trips and like the
• 30:31
  tunnels of Paris, they're filled with all these bones and it's
• 30:35
  like there's a lot of death worship going on around.
• 30:40
  It seems like as well. There was this horrible accident
• 30:44
  in the Maldives recently, right? There's these people went down
• 30:47
  and and dive. You know, we're very much in a
• 30:52
  fine tune to this environment. If we go too far down under the
• 30:55
  ocean, you know, we won't be able to survive.
• 30:58
  If we go too high away from this, the surface, we're going
• 31:03
  to die. You know, it, it's, it's, it's
• 31:07
  like we're we're we've been constructed for this
• 31:10
  environment, you know, so and it, it seems like one of the
• 31:15
  ideas I want to explore is a as a breakaway civilization, like
• 31:22
  proto humans, you know, that hundreds, thousands of years in
• 31:26
  the past were much more evolved than we were.
• 31:30
  And so they had this uptake, like you were saying to be be on
• 31:35
  this level, but they're like, well, one of those slaves down
• 31:38
  there to, to be, be able to do what we can do.
• 31:42
  We've got to tune them down, you know, and you see, you see that
• 31:46
  I like looking at these alternative chronologies and
• 31:49
  things like that. I'm very interested in it
• 31:53
  because you have these like Nuremberg 1561.
• 31:57
  There's this whole big sighting, you know, So if you look at like
• 32:02
  what what was going on in those times, it's, it's very
• 32:06
  interesting because we've been subjected to this satanic
• 32:09
  reversal or they told us this is good and that's bad.
• 32:13
  And it's actually the other way around.
• 32:15
  You know, they'll do things. They'll make these sacred
• 32:19
  symbols, like the swastika is a symbol, but they reversed it and
• 32:24
  made it prove a whereas. If you look at 100% that that
• 32:29
  will never not piss me off what they did to that symbol because
• 32:33
  he can't use it for anything now it's it's completely been
• 32:38
  corrupted and taken advantage of.
• 32:40
  And the question is who did it? I don't think it was the Nazis
• 32:44
  themselves. I think it's these rulers of the
• 32:47
  realm, whoever they are, like they're the ones who funded the
• 32:52
  Nazis, right? The same group of robber barons,
• 32:56
  Brown, Brooks, Brown brothers, Harriman and Sullivan, Cromwell,
• 33:00
  they all invested into Europe and a lot of them were back, you
• 33:03
  know, and you see this whole JP Joseph P Pharrell does a lot on
• 33:08
  Daglaca and tracking these post war Nazis.
• 33:14
  One of the things we we might want to talk about, he mentioned
• 33:18
  was Roswell, because that's one of those years because we get
• 33:22
  the Kenneth Arnold flap, right? And currently the highs of 47,
• 33:27
  the IA gets funded of 47. The whole thing with Roswell has
• 33:32
  been debunked by, you know, barrage men and things like
• 33:37
  that. They say it was just a weather
• 33:38
  balloon project mogul. There was nothing there.
• 33:42
  But then you've got other researchers like JPF who talked
• 33:45
  about this Nazi international group and how we've got uranium
• 33:50
  from the Nazis and how, you know, we seem to be as thick as
• 33:55
  thieves with them, you know, for, for a good period there.
• 34:00
  And you see this ship get crashed and they talk about the
• 34:04
  Horton brothers. And so it's, it's very
• 34:09
  interesting to me because I, I, I thought, you know, well, we
• 34:16
  won the war, but I'm not so sure anymore about about what, who
• 34:21
  won what, because it's very, very convoluted once you start
• 34:25
  pulling back those layers of the onion and seeing like who all
• 34:29
  was involved and what, what really are the outcomes of it.
• 34:33
  But you get Betty of Barney Hill, there's, there's a Nazi
• 34:39
  influence with them, like when they go through the hypnotic
• 34:41
  progression, the people they recognize are Grays and and
• 34:46
  Nazis. And so it's very strange.
• 34:49
  Like Danny Sheehan is a researcher or a lawyer.
• 34:55
  He's been involved in all these cases like Silkwood, Watergate
• 35:01
  and he he interviewed Santo Travakani.
• 35:07
  And as far as the JFK stuff, like he's been involved in all
• 35:11
  these conspiracy topics forever. And so he talks about this guy
• 35:18
  who goes down in 73 and I can't remember if it's did or Shaklee
• 35:23
  or or his follow up to that, but he's going to be the head of the
• 35:28
  Mexico City CIA. He has to go down to Argentina,
• 35:35
  to Barbarian Village. And basically he run, he goes to
• 35:42
  see who's calling the shots and it's a group smuggling cocaine
• 35:46
  out of Columbia. And he gets to the this small
• 35:49
  Bavarian town in Argentina. And you know, they've got the
• 35:52
  swastika up on the background and they're still flying the
• 35:55
  columns. Peter Lavanda talks about going
• 36:00
  down to Chile in 1979 and going to a similar kind of village
• 36:06
  down there. And so when when you mentioned
• 36:11
  Michael Heizer, he talks about the gods.
• 36:13
  So I don't think of them as, as, you know, supernatural entities,
• 36:18
  but these control mechanism who are worried about guns, oil,
• 36:24
  drugs and snacks. That seems to be what they're
• 36:26
  trafficking in. But I think that's a lot of what
• 36:31
  I think Epstein's like way down on the on the ladder as far as
• 36:36
  this stuff goes. He seems like lower end
• 36:39
  management, not anywhere close to to high end.
• 36:42
  Like he's just a temp on Pundit Highland somewhere but.
• 36:46
  Yeah, that's, that's, you're, you're absolutely right.
• 36:48
  He was, he was literally just a, a, a tool for this larger
• 36:52
  control mechanism that's, that's working behind the scenes.
• 36:54
  You know, it's did the people that are, that are orchestrating
• 36:58
  all this stuff and bringing it, we're not ever going to know who
• 37:00
  they are. They're not going to be showing
• 37:02
  their face on TV or they're going to make sure that they're
• 37:05
  not going to be showing up in any files.
• 37:06
  Like why else would they release all these millions of documents
• 37:09
  to the general public if there was anything at all in there
• 37:11
  that could incriminate anybody that it actually mattered, You
• 37:14
  know, they got everybody all up in a tizzy with the with the
• 37:17
  Epstein file release. And I went on there, I looked
• 37:20
  through the files and then saw anything that's probably worth
• 37:22
  anything is just a bunch of black bars on white PDFs.
• 37:26
  You're not going to see anything that matters and all the stuff.
• 37:29
  And everybody's on TikTok, you know, making their little
• 37:31
  connections. And for like 6 months it was
• 37:34
  just video after video of like, I've discovered what's really
• 37:36
  going on. I'm like, OK, what are we going
• 37:39
  to do about it? Are we going to do anything or
• 37:41
  are we just going to make videos about it?
• 37:43
  I'd like for you to talk to David because he's done a lot on
• 37:46
  the weird science. Like there's this whole eugenics
• 37:49
  aspect to it that I think you and Heather were breaching a
• 37:53
  little bit too with what, what's really going on.
• 37:58
  You know, it does appear like there's this science aspect of
• 38:03
  it that that they're shooting for one of the one of the
• 38:07
  things. So with Graham Hancock, I, I
• 38:11
  think Robert Anton Wilson had brought this to my attention,
• 38:16
  but I kind of tracked it down to Jacques Valet.
• 38:19
  You have, you know, these things, they're angels, then
• 38:23
  they're fairies and then they are UFOs.
• 38:28
  And so you can see like the the same things going on.
• 38:34
  And so there's a lot of that is connected through that
• 38:38
  psychedelic DMT aspect. And so with him, Leary, he
• 38:46
  brings up, it reminds me a lot of Elon Musk today with space
• 38:52
  migration. You have occupied Mars, you have
• 38:55
  increased intelligence, you get early and then you got life
• 38:58
  extension, which is actually a lot of other people.
• 39:00
  I don't know if Elon has anything on that.
• 39:02
  I know that Brian, Brian Johnson or whatever he's he's doing
• 39:06
  stuff. There's a lot of these people
• 39:11
  who are, are interested in these, these occult topics, you
• 39:15
  know, but you get these things happening over and over again.
• 39:22
  And, and it, we're still like, we seem to be used as, as you
• 39:27
  know, I like the Charles flirt analogy, you know, this is a
• 39:30
  farm, you know, we seem to be down here on the farm.
• 39:34
  I used that term a lot. It's, it's kind of, you know,
• 39:39
  you hear us referred to as a prison planet or a school, you
• 39:42
  know, and, and ultimately these tricks of the mind, you know, so
• 39:47
  I talked about magic and magic. So magic with AC and it's like
• 39:53
  sleight of hand. So that's one of the magic acts
• 39:55
  going on. Magic with AK is sleight of mind
• 40:00
  and it's hypnotism. And, and that's, that's what I
• 40:04
  think a lot of what we have going on is a lot of lot of
• 40:09
  magic. But it's not like supernatural.
• 40:12
  But I am interested in that aspect, which I don't know, like
• 40:18
  I, I, I, I've had things happen, but it's very subtle.
• 40:22
  Whereas these things that I read about like the cold Elvis and
• 40:27
  Uri, they're very dramatic, you know, miraculous here healing
• 40:32
  aspects. I know Uri Geller has like these
• 40:36
  he talk 2 hearts talks about, you know, things disappearing
• 40:42
  and reappearing and they also have these UFO sightings, but
• 40:48
  they're they're very strange sightings because like, they'll
• 40:53
  be like four or five people in a car and like Yuri can see it and
• 40:58
  sometimes Andrea can, sometimes he can't.
• 41:01
  But like the the MPs or the guards, a lot of times they're
• 41:05
  with military and they're in Israel.
• 41:08
  They can't see anything. It it's it's very interesting.
• 41:11
  Yeah. Aries, Aries from, you know, a
• 41:14
  lot of this is taking place in Israel.
• 41:18
  They're going, they come back over and do some work.
• 41:22
  That's where I'm at now. They're getting to the Stanford
• 41:24
  research aspect when they come back to the States.
• 41:28
  But you know, I'm, I'm interested in a lot of these
• 41:32
  Nexus of power, you know, like I refer to a lot of times as this
• 41:36
  Nexus. And so it's interesting because
• 41:40
  Kuharik he's getting, they're getting harassed by the Shin
• 41:45
  Beth, which is the Israeli internal.
• 41:50
  Like that's the, the local intelligence we hear about Mosad
• 41:55
  that's for, but in Israel, the ones doing the OPS is Shin Bef.
• 42:00
  And so like 2 hearts books get taken by Shin Beth and he has to
• 42:07
  rewrite them all. And so this has all taken place
• 42:13
  in like 7172. And it's very fascinating
• 42:17
  because it's like, I call this the 60s conspiracy encounter
• 42:22
  culture, but it really goes from like 65 to about 75.
• 42:26
  You know, I think about Hunter S Thompson has this quote about
• 42:31
  you can see the wave crashing down.
• 42:33
  So even after the 60s. Loathing.
• 42:36
  I love that book. I've got it on my bookshelf.
• 42:38
  I read it like once a year. It's so good.
• 42:40
  Yeah. And so you have you have a lot
• 42:47
  of these things like Watergate, for example, happens in 72, but
• 42:52
  it's it's basically one of the topics I want to cover is
• 42:56
  propaganda. And so Nixon is vilified in the
• 43:00
  media and you get these, you know, I'm reading Robert Anthony
• 43:05
  Wilson writing about how you can't trust the media.
• 43:09
  And then you turn right around and you trust the media about
• 43:11
  Nixon. I'm like, wait a minute, you
• 43:13
  just told me not to trust the media.
• 43:14
  Now you're trusting him on that. But Nixon, Nixon was not killed,
• 43:20
  but he he was, he was still, I think the same group that took
• 43:24
  out Kennedy took out Nixon. It seems to be the the whole
• 43:29
  thing about Watergate is he was super popular at the time.
• 43:33
  He had nothing to worry about from the Democrats, but he's the
• 43:39
  the plumbers were Howard Hunt E Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis and
• 43:46
  both of those guys were running paramilitary camps and the
• 43:53
  Operation Mongoose Bay of Pigs era like they were involved with
• 43:57
  the Cuban exiles who we're trying to retake Cuba after
• 44:00
  Batista got it gets exiled at 59.
• 44:04
  The other three are Cubans. And so the story goes that Nixon
• 44:11
  the Democrats had hired somebody who was affiliated with Howard
• 44:16
  Hughes and Howard Hughes had helped Nixon set up the best
• 44:21
  force kill team back in 6059. Sixty before he was vice
• 44:27
  president or Eisenhower. And then they get, you know,
• 44:30
  voted out and Kennedy comes in. And so they switched from
• 44:34
  Operation 40 to Operation Mongoose.
• 44:37
  But they still have the same team to assassinate Castro,
• 44:43
  allegedly. I don't know how, how hard they
• 44:46
  really tried. If we look at the scorecard,
• 44:49
  it's Castro lived to an age the Kennedys boys did not.
• 44:54
  And so I, I, I don't know what was really going on.
• 44:58
  But you know, we mentioned our, our greatest ally.
• 45:03
  They they don't, they don't really have, they're not really,
• 45:06
  they may be involved in the banking and the deep state
• 45:09
  stuff. But the whole thing with Kennedy
• 45:12
  is about as you can all tie it into this, this same group of,
• 45:18
  you know, people who have been running things since the late
• 45:22
  1800s. You know, the robber barons,
• 45:25
  like it's the same group. You can see them, you know,
• 45:28
  World War One, they they invest overseas.
• 45:32
  You have this medley Butler incident and 33 I think it is
• 45:37
  where he warns us. Eisenhower says, hey, this
• 45:40
  group's taken over on his way out and then they killed Kennedy
• 45:43
  right in front of us. So, you know, it's pretty
• 45:45
  obviously it's a, it's a palace coup.
• 45:49
  It's internal to this country. Like who is doing it?
• 45:53
  You know who benefited? You know, who had the power to
• 45:56
  change the parade routes, who had all this stuff?
• 46:00
  You know, it, it's I've got a couple of columns out on this
• 46:04
  now on that on the Hemisphere press site, get into all these
• 46:10
  strange occurrences with Lee Harvey Oswald where he you have
• 46:15
  these duplicate findings. So like, I don't know if there
• 46:20
  was a actual duplicate doppelganger of Lee Harvey
• 46:25
  Oswald running around or if they just created the impression that
• 46:28
  there was one. But you have all these things
• 46:32
  that, that get taken place during that time.
• 46:36
  And I, I, I, I would recommend if you if you've never seen it,
• 46:43
  the JFK movie by Oliver Stone is from 90.
• 46:47
  One. But yeah, I've seen that movie
• 46:48
  many times. Great film.
• 46:51
  It, it really holds up well. Like as I went back and I've
• 46:55
  been doing all this research into it, like he uses a lot of
• 46:58
  stuff that that is there, you know, and see pain points at
• 47:02
  like Lansdale and this, you know, and there might be some
• 47:06
  stuffy misses in it, but it's really a fantastic job.
• 47:10
  And then there's the JFK. We revisit it.
• 47:12
  They're they're really interesting.
• 47:15
  No, for sure. Yeah, it is a great movie.
• 47:16
  I've seen it many, many times, Man.
• 47:18
  You're, you're setting off so many connections and, and, and
• 47:22
  synapses in my brain with all this stuff just to kind of run
• 47:25
  it back. What, what got me thinking, you
• 47:26
  know, we're talking about this, that they seem to have this
• 47:28
  interest in it, in this eugenics program.
• 47:30
  And I wonder because like a lot of people speculate that that's
• 47:33
  what they're doing with these companies like 23andMe, where
• 47:35
  they're collecting everybody's DNA or they're looking for some
• 47:38
  type of are they looking for bloodlines?
• 47:40
  Are they looking to? It also made me think of like,
• 47:43
  we're talking about like Elon Musk, He's got this real desire
• 47:47
  to want to get off planet for some reason, right?
• 47:50
  But like we were saying, we can't survive off planet.
• 47:53
  If we, if there's going to be any aspect of humanity that's
• 47:55
  able to survive off planet somewhere, there's going to have
• 47:57
  to be a change made on like a genetic level to us as a
• 48:01
  species. Because right now you're not
• 48:03
  going to, you know, astronauts that go up in the ISS for just,
• 48:06
  you know, a few months, two weeks, they come back and their
• 48:08
  bones are all weak and messed up.
• 48:09
  You can't where there's no way we're going to live off planet
• 48:12
  unless there's some fundamental change that's made to us like as
• 48:15
  a, as an Organism, you know what I mean?
• 48:17
  So I wonder if that ties into this eugenics program that
• 48:20
  they're that's working behind the scenes, why they're
• 48:23
  collecting everybody's DNA. I don't know.
• 48:26
  It's all, it's all crazy. But again, I feel like
• 48:28
  everything is connected. Everything is linked together.
• 48:31
  There's all there's this through line that runs through
• 48:33
  everything. You have, you have this idea of
• 48:38
  a moon child that Jack Parsons and L Ron Hubbard were fooled
• 48:43
  around in the desert, you know, with the, the Lady Babylon and,
• 48:50
  you know, trying to produce a, a, a moon child.
• 48:53
  And so I understand it as being this, you know, it's kind of a
• 48:59
  transhumanistic goal is to evolve, you know, but if we look
• 49:05
  at it from just a pure spiritual aspect is how I, I prefer to
• 49:10
  look at it. Like you're trying to make, you
• 49:12
  know, if we talk about a rainbow body or something like that,
• 49:16
  you're trying to, you know, create your own aura, you're
• 49:19
  trying to, to perfect yourself, but it's a, it's a always
• 49:24
  struggle. But we see this eugenics
• 49:28
  movement going on through Brave New World and other topics like
• 49:36
  that. Like, you know, we mentioned the
• 49:39
  Nazis and Hitler, They got their eugenics programs from us.
• 49:44
  Like that's all all eastern United States. 100%.
• 49:49
  The the, the whole, you know, And so you're probably familiar
• 49:53
  with Diana was basilica too, right?
• 49:57
  No, I don't think cosmic. No, I don't think so.
• 50:00
  OK, wow, Yeah, she's a she's a religious scholar.
• 50:05
  And so she wrote American Cosmic.
• 50:09
  I can't remember the follow up book.
• 50:12
  She's got a couple of books out on UFOs.
• 50:15
  And so she started out looking into these religious miracles
• 50:22
  and things like that. And she ends up running around
• 50:26
  with Gary Nolan and a guy she calls Tyler Dirk, who is, I
• 50:34
  think his name is Tim Taylor. He's the spookiest of Spooks.
• 50:39
  Like he's in NASA NRO, he's got like multiple clearances.
• 50:44
  And so they take him out to these gifting fields with
• 50:51
  history. A lot of history appears to be
• 50:53
  programming, conditioning, more mythology, what we think of as a
• 50:58
  fictional kind of thing, than actual history.
• 51:01
  A lot of it seems designed to generate feelings about you and
• 51:08
  and your country or whatever, for better or worse.
• 51:13
  And mythology we treat as a fiction, but I treat mythology
• 51:18
  as a an iconograph of truth, like mythology speaks to these
• 51:24
  things that may not be truth, may not be factual, but they're
• 51:28
  truth, you know, they think speak to a higher truth.
• 51:32
  And so it's kind of like trying to examine, figure out like, you
• 51:38
  know, a lot of what we hear and see are disinformation.
• 51:43
  And so trying to cut through what the wheat from the chaff
• 51:46
  and figure out what's true, you have secret societies, but we
• 51:51
  need to define what do we mean by a secret society too.
• 51:55
  Because you could have like the everybody knows who the Masons
• 51:59
  are. It's not like nobody knows they
• 52:01
  exist. Hasbros, the Order of Assassins,
• 52:06
  the Hashasheen, they come out of the Arabic Empire, they come out
• 52:14
  of these. So you have Sunni and Shia
• 52:18
  Islam. So they're like the dissident
• 52:21
  Islam. So you have the Orthodox and you
• 52:25
  have these dissidents. Well, you bayed Caliphate is in
• 52:30
  charge, and then the Abbasid caliphate takes over and it goes
• 52:35
  from Sunny to Shia, I believe. And they had a secret society in
• 52:40
  place, like, right, nobody knew, you know, they didn't want the
• 52:44
  ruling over. They just did it, you know,
• 52:46
  through secret society. So we have societies that
• 52:50
  operate clandestinely and then we have previous societies where
• 52:54
  you have to take vows. And so if I was a Mason, I would
• 52:58
  not be able to talk about my things that I have swore A vow
• 53:02
  to. You know, if I was in a, in a
• 53:04
  secret society, there would be things I would have to, I
• 53:08
  couldn't tell you because I even even if they're common
• 53:10
  knowledge, let people have published all these rituals and,
• 53:15
  you know, you can look up a lot of stuff about the Masons online
• 53:18
  and figure it out, you know, so it's not people have broken
• 53:22
  their vows. You know, a lot of these things
• 53:26
  may be derived from other principles, but comparative
• 53:29
  mythology, you know, that comes up like where somebody's accused
• 53:33
  of breaking their vows. It's like, I didn't know that,
• 53:36
  you know, I'm not in that, you know, I've, I've not done that,
• 53:38
  you know, I just, you know, was writing and came up with my own
• 53:42
  thing. And it just happens to coalesce.
• 53:44
  You'll see groups like the Templars, you know, they come on
• 53:48
  the scene and a few 100 years later, we have the Freemasons.
• 53:53
  And so they're saying, trying to say we have this lineage that
• 53:57
  goes back to these Egyptian mystery schools.
• 54:00
  And so we can trace these lines. My buddy Scott Walter, recently,
• 54:06
  he was on a couple shows and so he has this Theben language.
• 54:13
  And so Theben is a another cipher.
• 54:17
  And so a lot of what I'm writing about is this.
• 54:22
  If I was a practicing occultist, I would call myself an
• 54:25
  occultist. But I, I refer, I prefer to use
• 54:27
  the term steganography. Steganography is the study of
• 54:32
  things that are secret, fighting something in plain sight.
• 54:36
  And so another channel that's really good for studying these
• 54:40
  things from a information perspective, a scholarly
• 54:43
  perspective, is esoterica. Dustin Sledge is here and, well,
• 54:48
  he's not here. I'm in Mississippi.
• 54:50
  He was actually from Pearl nearby here.
• 54:54
  Yeah, I followed his channel for a while.
• 54:56
  He's very interesting. He.
• 54:58
  Has some strange things going on with him and the Pearl shooting
• 55:03
  here, by the way, it's kind of a he was involved with the guy who
• 55:08
  a shooting at the high school here back in the 90s.
• 55:12
  Apparently he got a hold of the manifesto and turned it into I
• 55:15
  saw something about that. I found something.
• 55:17
  Online about that so I'm talking about that interesting but he.
• 55:22
  Has a recent episode out on angelic magic.
• 55:26
  And so I'm of the opinion, and I guess I've got some backing for
• 55:31
  it now, but that Enoch and by John Dee isn't a channeled
• 55:35
  language that, you know, there was a higher level of technology
• 55:39
  still around. Like they have some kind of
• 55:43
  devices. I don't know.
• 55:44
  We have these black mirrors. I don't know if they had some
• 55:46
  way to communicate between people or if it was just this
• 55:50
  message of ciphers, right? Send me to Nuremberg 1561.
• 55:54
  And we have all these UFO sightings to go back in evil
• 55:58
  arts. So it's possible there was a
• 56:00
  high level of technology. It was just, you know, absent
• 56:03
  have nots. And so we've got the story of
• 56:05
  the have nots, but the haves have kept their stuff secret
• 56:08
  better. But Enochian.
• 56:10
  So John Dee is the court magician for Queen Elizabeth,
• 56:15
  just spent some time and some of these other courts.
• 56:18
  And so the idea is that they were using these angelic
• 56:22
  language not as ciphers for summoning creatures, summoning
• 56:28
  angels, summoning spirits, but as a way to pass information on
• 56:33
  clandestinely between. Like your message on the
• 56:38
  exterior will say one thing, but if you read, it says, hey, this
• 56:41
  guy's no good. You want to lock him in your
• 56:43
  dungeon, Don't let him out of your sight.
• 56:45
  You know, things like that. So he does a pretty good job of
• 56:48
  doing it. And so Enochian seems like it's
• 56:53
  probably based on Italian. I'm sure that's kind of the
• 56:57
  hunch I have. It's a 21 character language,
• 57:00
  and Italian is 21 characters. And I think a lot of this stuff
• 57:04
  goes through Venice. And so one of my other recent
• 57:08
  columns was on Shakespeare, who I don't think was a real person.
• 57:13
  I think he was a artificial construct.
• 57:17
  John D Francis Bacon, Edward Devere.
• 57:21
  And the guy we call William Shakespeare was probably a wool
• 57:26
  merchant and a part of trying to get in the club, but like
• 57:30
  yourself, writes about all these courtly things.
• 57:33
  But the man from Stratford is just a pleadian like the rest of
• 57:37
  us. He hasn't had access to these.
• 57:40
  And so a lot of what we see in Shakespeare is follows from this
• 57:46
  Italian tradition. And so I just thought, and of
• 57:51
  course, Shakespeare's real, his name's on the bloody things.
• 57:53
  But you know, that kind of thing, you know, once you start
• 57:57
  looked into it, it, it seems like what I call the Rosicrucian
• 58:01
  project. And it's a very Gnostic thing.
• 58:04
  It's passing this knowledge down.
• 58:07
  And so a guy named Alan Green has a great series on
• 58:12
  Shakespeare Decoded. There's another guy in Peter
• 58:15
  Edmondson who has the piece of Francis Bacon.
• 58:20
  And then Peter Dawkins is another researcher who he called
• 58:24
  it the Rosicrucian project as well.
• 58:26
  So I felt like that was good. So I've got to do some following
• 58:29
  up with him. I just discovered, but got quite
• 58:33
  a bit of of correlation things that I'm seeing.
• 58:37
  And so the Rosicrucians appear to be frequently pop up.
• 58:42
  But I was talking about the Theben.
• 58:44
  So Walter has this thing, you know, you have these languages
• 58:50
  that these guys use these ciphers.
• 58:51
  So deepen is another one, you know, but it appears to be a
• 58:55
  made-up not not just like made-up language, but one of the
• 58:57
  ciphers Masons used and and the and these things.
• 59:03
  Wow, that's super. Interesting, man.
• 59:05
  Yeah, it's, it's so much that it's so much information to
• 59:08
  parse through. Props to you for, for doing all
• 59:11
  the writing and all the, all the deep research, man.
• 59:15
  Because I'm, my brain just breaks whenever I go down these
• 59:18
  rabbit holes. I get so lost and it's just a
• 59:22
  lot to parse through. I enjoy listening to Kurt
• 59:25
  Metzger. Which I was glad to see Heather,
• 59:28
  Heather mentioned him as well. You know, he focuses, he focuses
• 59:33
  a lot on the left hand path, like a lot of these groups.
• 59:37
  That's the thing, you know, and why I mentioned the you get like
• 59:40
  left hand path, right hand path. But to me, a lot of times, you
• 59:44
  know, we, we talk about the middle path because you get
• 59:48
  caught up in this spy versus spy.
• 59:50
  You know, it's like a very Nietzschean kind of thing where,
• 59:54
  you know, you fight monsters, you become a monster and you
• 59:57
  know, you start fighting your, your enemies, you become like
• 1:00:01
  your enemy. So it's this quantum
• 1:00:02
  entanglement conductivity thing, you know?
• 1:00:06
  And so Jesus talks about being in the world, but not of the
• 1:00:09
  world, you know, and a lot of things.
• 1:00:15
  That was another one. Sorry, every derp again, but in
• 1:00:19
  in this, this book on the 9 like they, they, they call themselves
• 1:00:24
  these higher powers, higher principles, you know, but they
• 1:00:28
  they say they report to a higher principal.
• 1:00:31
  And it I was it was kind of interesting because they seem to
• 1:00:35
  like it. It's it's it's works, not grace,
• 1:00:41
  I think. Is that the quote by Jesus?
• 1:00:45
  It does not work for correct with this pizza said this is not
• 1:00:49
  work, but thanks. But I I find it interesting
• 1:00:52
  because that's one of the things that we kind of debate is like
• 1:00:57
  it's it's the work. You got to do the work like, you
• 1:01:01
  know, it's a Sisyphian task. You know, it's, it's not hard,
• 1:01:06
  it's simple. The hard part is you got to do
• 1:01:08
  it every day, you know, and it's, it's kind of like, you
• 1:01:12
  know, trying to be in the present, in the moment.
• 1:01:15
  And a lot of these techniques are designed to, you know, a lot
• 1:01:21
  of things we experience in our day-to-day life are distractions
• 1:01:25
  or things designed to keep us from the moment.
• 1:01:29
  And So what I try and do is focus on things that'll bring us
• 1:01:33
  back to the moment. So it's kind of interesting,
• 1:01:36
  though, to see all these, all these connections and, and to go
• 1:01:42
  that, you know, they say to be careful going down the rabbit
• 1:01:45
  hole, but, you know, sometimes you got to do what you got to
• 1:01:48
  do. Well, Brad, thanks for going
• 1:01:50
  down the rabbit hole with me. Today, my assistant producer is
• 1:01:53
  here telling me it's time to to wrap it up.
• 1:01:56
  We've been going for a little over an hour, but I want to
• 1:01:58
  thank you for stopping by and having this super enlightening
• 1:02:02
  intellectual conversation with me.
• 1:02:04
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• 1:02:08
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• 1:02:10
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• 1:02:13
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• 1:02:15
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• 1:02:18
  Brad Justice, thank you for stopping by.
• 1:02:20
  I want you to have a great day, man.
• 1:02:22
  Thank you. You too.