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From Powell to Palantir: How Oligarchs Captured America (And What Comes Next) | Silk and Steel · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Silk and
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  Speaker 1: Steel Podcast. I had back on the show, crowd favorite
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  Speaker 1: in Tangan Senior fellow from CIGI. The reason I invited
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  Speaker 1: ear back is because recently we have a we just
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  Speaker 1: had another Trump assassination, and when.
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  Speaker 2: I open the social media.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody believes it's for real. Everyone think he faked it.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know what's going on anymore. I have
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  Speaker 1: no idea what's going on in the United States. That's
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  Speaker 1: why I have you here trying to make sense of it.
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  Speaker 3: All I know, but I mean it's as you're discussing early,
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  Speaker 3: it seems like, you know, a three ring circus act.
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  Speaker 3: There's all these constant things that are misdirecting people and
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  Speaker 3: all right right down. Despite the fact there was an
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  Speaker 3: attempt on his life. I think the happiest man in
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  Speaker 3: America today is Donald Trump. He's out there, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's some how the Epstein files have gone off the
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  Speaker 3: front page, as has the around war, as has his
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  Speaker 3: domestic problems, inflation, the failure of all of his policies,
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  Speaker 3: the fact that his family is enriching themselves at a
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  Speaker 3: speed which is astronomical. They can continue this for the
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  Speaker 3: next three years, it'll be one of the richest families
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  Speaker 3: in America. Yeah, I mean this is best. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he wakes up every day. You know, he said in
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  Speaker 3: his biography, as we've discussed before, that he wakes up
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  Speaker 3: every day and tries to maximize the day.
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  Speaker 4: And lately, every day he.
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  Speaker 3: Wakes up he's trying to figure out how he's going
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  Speaker 3: to keep the Epstein files off the front page and
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  Speaker 3: all the rest of his problems. So he has to
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  Speaker 3: think of some new diversion. And last last night he
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  Speaker 3: was handed the best one ever. Except exactly what you said.
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking at social media and it's not just he
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  Speaker 3: faked it. They now somebody claims to have video of
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  Speaker 3: jd Vance's wife at cal Tech or someplace in California,
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  Speaker 3: and guess who's there. So, I mean, the ten hats
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  Speaker 3: are going over time. You know, obviously people are looking
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  Speaker 3: at the videotape. He doesn't seem startled at all, but
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  Speaker 3: all these shots are going off.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone else around him is going oh, and he's like.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, could it be he just he just said nile,
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  Speaker 1: because we do have his we do have camera catching
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  Speaker 1: him napping off.
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  Speaker 2: You got friends conference?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you know, for a guy who campaigned
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  Speaker 3: on sleepy Joe, remember that sleepy Joe Biden. No, he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't know what's going on. And you do have to
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  Speaker 3: remember you have to couple this when he was confronted
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  Speaker 3: with some pardons that he signed, I know nothing about it.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't sign them, like you can fake that his
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  Speaker 3: sharpie type thing. I mean, between that and his birthday
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  Speaker 3: card to Epstein, I mean, you know, what can you
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  Speaker 3: say about the guy anyways? I mean, he has no
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  Speaker 3: problem with the concert stream of you know, exaggerations and
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  Speaker 3: just out and out lies, and he thought this was
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  Speaker 3: going to be an easy ride. He took immediate advantage
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  Speaker 3: of trying to sell his four hundred million billion dollars.
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  Speaker 3: What do you call it.
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  Speaker 4: Capital theater or ballroom or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when you say ballroom in you know, Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 3: that has connotations. I don't know if he should be
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  Speaker 3: talking about the ball room in his particular case. How
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  Speaker 3: many twenty seven, twenty nine cases of women who stepped
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  Speaker 3: forward and said that he sexually molested them, rape, whatever, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I only's a good look. Not when
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  Speaker 3: you used to own the Miss teen pageant and brag
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  Speaker 3: about the fact that you'd go back back backstage and
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  Speaker 3: watch small naked and undressing and talk about their bodies
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  Speaker 3: and yeah, yeah, not a good look. So I think
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  Speaker 3: he has to call it something else, the White House, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the Situation Room for Adventure or something like this.
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  Speaker 3: But he's he's really having a time. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 3: he's doing it. But you know, did you see I
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  Speaker 3: mean what was beautiful is he's talking about how this
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  Speaker 3: has brought the nation together. I mean a group of
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  Speaker 3: people who know the press really really don't like him,
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  Speaker 3: and he's like, oh, you know, somebody tried to assassinate me,
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  Speaker 3: so we're all together in this, right, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: And the crazy and the crazy thing is right after
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  Speaker 1: the assassination on social media, somebody made a list of
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  Speaker 1: all these big Mecca accounts and all they tweet out
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  Speaker 1: at the same time is this is why we need
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  Speaker 1: a White House ballroom, Like this is why I got
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  Speaker 1: an assassination.
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  Speaker 3: How does that actually you get out there so quickly?
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  Speaker 3: You know, you ever you ever wonder about that? How
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  Speaker 3: is it that they're all on script? Was it there?
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  Speaker 2: Well? There was a there was a former MACA influencer.
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  Speaker 2: What's her name. I think it was the same woman
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  Speaker 2: that had Ela Musk's kid. She said, right, she did.
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  Speaker 1: She did a bike expose a She said, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was part of the MAGA influenced network. Basically, uh,
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  Speaker 1: they give you access. It's in your return for access
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  Speaker 1: to the White House, make you feel like you're really
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  Speaker 1: important that they basically send you a message and then
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  Speaker 1: you're supposed to post it. This is why they have
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  Speaker 1: this coordination of influence campaign on social media.
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  Speaker 3: So I was in politics, and this is a long
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  Speaker 3: time ago. I haven't lived in the United States for
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  Speaker 3: twenty one years. But before that I had my two
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  Speaker 3: law partners are very senior in the state government and
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  Speaker 3: obviously involved in politics.
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  Speaker 4: I was also involved in.
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  Speaker 3: A number of appointed positions, and I ran political campaigns.
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  Speaker 3: And I can tell you that even back then, they
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  Speaker 3: had the talk points and I so many times do
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  Speaker 3: you talk to these guys just as well, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we got together over the weekend, we're going to fan out,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to you know, hit our talk points, we're
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  Speaker 3: going to go to everything. And they wanted, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this kind of communication thing. It's interesting, Carl, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: this is something that.
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  Speaker 4: Was born in boardrooms you know.
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  Speaker 3: When you're a CEO, you're out there, You're you're trying
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  Speaker 3: to get the message across. You spend a tremendous amount
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  Speaker 3: of time on that point, and to the extent that
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  Speaker 3: you kind of wonder what else they're able to do
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  Speaker 3: because they're traveling all over the place trying to get
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  Speaker 3: the message across and things like that. They feel that
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  Speaker 3: that's their position because you know, they carry a gravitas
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  Speaker 3: in terms of saying with things. But I mean, America
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  Speaker 3: isn't a corporate society. The idea is that you're supposed
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  Speaker 3: to have elective officials who can think for themselves because
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  Speaker 3: these talk points are not dictated by the top guy.
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  Speaker 3: There's a bunch of advisors who sit around and argue
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  Speaker 3: for our you know hours. In some cases, sometimes there's
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  Speaker 3: one guru who says, Okay, these are the talk points
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  Speaker 3: and this is what we're going to do, and then
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  Speaker 3: they assign who is going to go to where based
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  Speaker 3: on what kind of connections that they have. So this
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  Speaker 3: is kind of our corporatizing of party politics, and it's
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  Speaker 3: the reason why you have so few people who stand out.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you got to kind of wonder, Sleepy Joe
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  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, Donald Trump. I mean, really, is this the
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  Speaker 3: best that we have? Then you go overseas and you know,
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  Speaker 3: you have Macron Starmer millions in South America. I mean
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  Speaker 3: you kind of wondering, well, what's going on here? If
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  Speaker 3: democracy is supposed to give voice to the people, why
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  Speaker 3: are the voices at the top, you know, seemingly incoherent
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  Speaker 3: idiots to float with the wind. So, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: it goes back to this, you cannot rise in party
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  Speaker 3: politics unless you toe the party line and the party
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  Speaker 3: listens to you know, influence groups, whether it's on the
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  Speaker 3: labor side or the business side. They have to listen,
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  Speaker 3: they have to put, you know, whatever they want in.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, as.
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  Speaker 3: You're supposedly rising up the party and showing your ability
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  Speaker 3: to lead, all you're really doing is obeying whatever the
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  Speaker 3: party tells you. And Starmar is a perfect example. He
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  Speaker 3: has absolutely no you know, credibility or stomach to take
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  Speaker 3: on things. I mean, he's always half pregnant. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you just you just don't know where it is now.
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump is a reaction to that. You know, the
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  Speaker 3: party politics had failed American A large group of people,
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  Speaker 3: especially lower middle class said, you know, the system has
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  Speaker 3: abandoned us. The Republicans and the Democrats are the same
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  Speaker 3: because they just lie to us. They tell us it's
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  Speaker 3: going to get better, that they're going to do better,
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  Speaker 3: get rid of the debt, they're going to bring jobs,
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  Speaker 3: are going to be a golden age in America. Well
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  Speaker 3: do they deliver exact opposite. Get the shaft once again.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, they said, okay, we'll go outside
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  Speaker 3: the system, but that doesn't work either. Populous promise everything
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  Speaker 3: and deliver nothing. And that has certainly been Donald Trump's
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  Speaker 3: modus operade. Remember he said, ah, no more wars. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to pay attention, make America great again. That
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  Speaker 3: means I'm going to a job on day one is
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  Speaker 3: to reduce prices, right and you know everything, If you
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  Speaker 3: please go back and take a look at what he
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  Speaker 3: said on day one. Golden age? Are we living in
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  Speaker 3: a golden age? Our three assassination attempts in eighteen months.
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  Speaker 3: Golden age is him attacking the press as a golden age.
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  Speaker 3: The price is rising, wars, conflicts, losing our allies, spending
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  Speaker 3: like drunken sailors, increasing the deficits, poverty is up, the
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  Speaker 3: fragility of the American people. You know, sixty percent don't
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  Speaker 3: have four hundred bucks in case of an emergency. This
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  Speaker 3: they're living paycheck to paycheck. I don't think this is winning.
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  Speaker 3: He promises so much winning, people will get tired of it.
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  Speaker 3: I think people are getting tired of losing, and the
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  Speaker 3: chief loser is Donald Trump. But I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if you start looking at the number of scandals involved,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how many pardons. He's over sixteen hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty pardons, of which he's forgiven over from somewhere between
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  Speaker 3: one point one and two billion dollars in fines that
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  Speaker 3: were assessed on criminals who were convicted in a court
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  Speaker 3: of law, but because he pardoned them, they don't have
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  Speaker 3: to pay yet. You know, all of these guys seem
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  Speaker 3: to have some sort of connection to the right lobbyist
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  Speaker 3: or to the brother of the Attorney General, Pam BONDI
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  Speaker 3: you know, the list goes on or just outright, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: one gave two billion dollars to one of Donald Trump's
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  Speaker 3: kakamami you know bitcoin not bitcoin, but you know it's
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  Speaker 3: whatever meme coin things, And all of a sudden he's
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  Speaker 3: been exonerated. I don't know if he's been forgiven for
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  Speaker 3: his his whatever he has to pay. But I mean,
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  Speaker 3: come on, I think I mean his his sons invested
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  Speaker 3: in drone companies and it is just magnified. It's now
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  Speaker 3: worth seven hundred and fifty a million they would put
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  Speaker 3: in you know what, fifty million? I mean, come on
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  Speaker 3: and guess what. Oh, they were selected for multi billion
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  Speaker 3: dollar Entigne contracts there. I'm sure there's a there's no
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  Speaker 3: conflict of interest there and it stems all the way down.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he just fired a lady who gave whatever
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  Speaker 3: over a two hundred million dollar contract to the husband
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  Speaker 3: of her chief of staff, who had this company for
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  Speaker 3: all of eleven days. I'm sure he's very, very competent
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  Speaker 3: and credible and it was a no big contract. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it permeates throughout cash battel running around him. You know
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  Speaker 3: this private jet which he used to criticize about. I
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  Speaker 3: mean Pambomdi talking about ethics when her brother's handing out
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  Speaker 3: pardons and also getting charges dropped. Right in the space
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  Speaker 3: of a month, two high profile investigations were dep six
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  Speaker 3: and a guy who had a big problem in terms
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  Speaker 3: of already being convicted and millions dollars and fines all
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  Speaker 3: of a sudden found himself completely exonerated. That's pay for play.
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  Speaker 3: Then we can get into Kushner. He's acting with in
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  Speaker 3: no official capacity for the United States in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 3: where he was just given four billion dollars on top
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  Speaker 3: of the two billion dollars that Middle Eastern countries had
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  Speaker 3: given him. The two billion with that that was after
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  Speaker 3: Trump one first term, and then just recently got another
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  Speaker 3: four billion. Now he's in charge of negotiating between Israel
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  Speaker 3: and these groups. That sounds fairty right. I'm sure he
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  Speaker 3: has no personal interest. He's also the person who's on
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  Speaker 3: who unveiled this whole thing about Gaza and how they're
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  Speaker 3: going to rebuild it. It was interesting, did you see
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  Speaker 3: that that interview where he was with uh Wit Coough
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  Speaker 3: and he starts and wig Cough drops. He says, we've
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  Speaker 3: been planning this for years. Of course that predated the
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  Speaker 3: war and everything, but you know, and and Kushner. You
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  Speaker 3: got to see this if you if anybody out there
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  Speaker 3: hasn't seen it, Kutchner and Wick Coough and they're they're
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  Speaker 3: sitting there being interviewed. I can't remember it was CNN
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  Speaker 3: or whatever, and it's you know, Kushner's looking at him going,
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  Speaker 3: it's just I mean, it's pure pantomime.
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  Speaker 4: You you got to see it for humor's sake alone.
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  Speaker 3: But it gives you a very clear indication that a
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  Speaker 3: lot of things that we think it just kind of happened,
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  Speaker 3: they aren't happened. They they do have It's maybe not
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  Speaker 3: a detailed plan, but they do have an overarching plan
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  Speaker 3: of how they want to do things. Israel is in
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  Speaker 3: many senses, just doing exactly what the US did. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if you saw recently. There's a great clip
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  Speaker 3: about the Powell paper. It was about six months before
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  Speaker 3: he was put on. Powell respected attorney from Virginia. He'd
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  Speaker 3: done very well, you know, Harvard and all the rest
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  Speaker 3: of it, big firm, ended up on the Supreme Court,
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  Speaker 3: very very influential. It was his opinion that was the
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  Speaker 3: basis of unlimited corporate giving for politics. It was the
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  Speaker 3: call the Powell opinion. Anyways, six months before he goes on,
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  Speaker 3: before he's put on the Supreme Court, he writes a
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  Speaker 3: memo which is very famous, you can look it up,
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  Speaker 3: in which he talks about the fact that it's time
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  Speaker 3: for a corporate oligarchy, and he lays out everything that
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  Speaker 3: they need to do in terms of capturing the Supreme Court,
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  Speaker 3: about creating think tanks that can put out all this
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  Speaker 3: paper propaganda, how they can seize control of the government,
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  Speaker 3: how they can seize control of the legislatures, and things
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  Speaker 3: like this using corporate power. You know what caused this, Well,
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  Speaker 3: you have to go back a few years before that.
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  Speaker 3: It was Johnson lost. I mean, Johnson won against the
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  Speaker 3: Republican contender in the nineteen sixty four election. And at
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  Speaker 3: that point a lot of very very prominent families who
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  Speaker 3: considered Lyndon Johnson to be a communist, they got together
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  Speaker 3: and they were discussed because Lyndon Johnson won in a landslide,
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  Speaker 3: so he had not only the presidency, but he also
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  Speaker 3: had the Senate and the House, and he pushed through
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  Speaker 3: his well meaning but perhaps not with consequences. Unintended is
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  Speaker 3: a big new deal and great, you know, great Greater America.
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember what it was called, ended up unfortunately.
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  Speaker 2: Preciety or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: The Great, yeah, the Great Society. Unfortunately, you had an
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  Speaker 3: intended consequence of breaking up African American families, which had
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  Speaker 3: been the stalwart. I mean, this had been the heart
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  Speaker 3: of African American families, is that they had a very
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  Speaker 3: strong structure. In essence, you could gain the system so
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  Speaker 3: that the father's not around, women have children, they get
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  Speaker 3: you know, aid and food stamps and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: And there were people who did in fact do that,
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  Speaker 3: and it led to a deterioration in the family structure
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  Speaker 3: of many black families and communities. Putting that aside, the
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  Speaker 3: large families, the industrial families, manufacturing families at that time,
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  Speaker 3: they were still pretty much run by their founders or
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  Speaker 3: the children of their founders. They felt that the United
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  Speaker 3: States is going wrong direction and that they you know,
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  Speaker 3: giving the vote or you know, putting the future of
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  Speaker 3: the war world because the United States held, in their opinion,
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  Speaker 3: the future of the world in the hands of you know, illiterate,
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  Speaker 3: stupid people. You know, it's very very much elitist. Was unthinkable.
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  Speaker 3: They needed to do it. Now, what's interesting is you
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  Speaker 3: go back and look at that power memo, and you'll
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  Speaker 3: see that everything that they planned has in fact happened,
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  Speaker 3: that they have gotten their way. They created institutes to
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  Speaker 3: defend corporate interests. He himself was a big proponent of
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  Speaker 3: the tobacco industry. He was I think he represented the
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  Speaker 3: Tobacco Institute. You know, maybe smoking's good for you.
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  Speaker 4: You don't know.
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  Speaker 3: There's there's there as scientists who will say, well, you
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  Speaker 3: know it's this, it could be right. So if it
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  Speaker 3: could be, we can't say it's bad for you. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there was the backers of the Tobacco Institute was the
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  Speaker 3: tobacco industry, and surprise, surprise, everyone in the Tobacco Institute
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  Speaker 3: said that smoking might actually be good for you. You
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  Speaker 3: don't know, so, I mean, but this is the kind
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  Speaker 3: of chakingery that they thinks. I mean. He was also
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  Speaker 3: against Ralph Nader and this idea that there should be
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  Speaker 3: any kind of consumer protection. He saw that as uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a violation of free market principles. This was
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  Speaker 3: you know communism, you know, letting the you know, making
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  Speaker 3: people expect that services and goods would be delivered in
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  Speaker 3: a manner which they promised. You know what an idea.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the next thing, you know, it's just there.
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  Speaker 3: It's pure communism. People just you know, you go to
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  Speaker 3: rich people's houses and you take the furniture because you
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  Speaker 3: know one would definitely need to the other, but you
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  Speaker 3: know any event, but I mean it is insidious, and
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  Speaker 3: I know we you know, we talked about how we
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  Speaker 3: laugh about it, but I mean the fact is it's happened.
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  Speaker 3: And then similarly, in nineteen ninety six we talked before,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the Israelis had their moment with the clean Break,
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  Speaker 3: which is basically the same thing. It's just you're going
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  Speaker 3: to happen oligarch, oligarch in charge of the Middle East.
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  Speaker 3: Basically a mafia is formed around Israel and that if
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: you either you know it's they're the muscle in the
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: neighborhood or the smallest they still got the big guy,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: the US behind them, and they show up and you say,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: either knuckle under, all right, do as we tell you,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: or we're going to undermine your economy, your political system,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: and we'll invade you, start throwing bombs at you, and
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: we'll say it's all your fault because your terrorists. You know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: today I was just I was horrified. You know, you
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: were talking about attempts on Donald Trump's life, which is
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: you know, beyond the pale. I agree. I don't believe
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: in that kind of violence. The same time, they discovered
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: almost one hundred babies who had been decapitated.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: In Gaza.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Decapitation is just for those who have any doubts, not
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: a natural way of death. The fact that you have
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: one hundred of them there means that this was similar
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: to Dakhau, to everything that the Israelis claim that they suffered.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: This is exactly what that is.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: You know, those the victims have in what three generations,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: become the perpetrators. And this is one of my big arguments.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: You know, people talk about war and they'll say how
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: many people died, and they'll say how many people were injured,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: and they'll talk about how much destruction there was property
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: and things like that, and then finally how many people
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: were displaced. But what they don't talk about is the
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: long term costs of war. The fact is, you know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Israel has done exactly what Japan did in terms of
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: turning their Israeli defense force into brutal monsters. You know
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: what it takes to turn a you know, normal clerk
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: person you know of society and get them to the
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: point where they can shoot a baby in the head
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: or decapitated, where they can you know, mow down people
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: and see them as animals. That is, in an intense process.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: The Japanese did it by basically have You know, when
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: you went into the Japanese army first year, you were
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: brutalized every day. And I don't mean like some in
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: the Marine corps or they're shouting at you making new
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: push ups. You were beaten, all right, You were punished,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: You were you know, starved, and this happened all the time.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: And you know you were told orders, pay orders, span it,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: bayon it, bayan it, things like this, and you broke
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: down what otherwise would have been school teachers and people,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: you know, with clerks and things like this, ordinary people's society.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: And then these were the people who went to Nanjing
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: and throughout China there responsible directly and indirectly for thirty
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: five million deaths. That's out of a hundred million deaths around.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: But what was the long term situation? You look into
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: the soul of a country. Yes, they did have economic
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: prosperity eventually after World War two. Look at the social situation.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, you had men who were uncapable of talking
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: to their families. Maybe people say that's cultural, but if
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I had been bayoneting babies in Nanjing, I don't think
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I can go back to society and I might try
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: to forget it, but I don't think my dreams would
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: allow me to think. The brutality continues, and this is
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: the real cost of war. The brutality continues, and those
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: who brutalized or were brutalized become the next launching point
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: for a new conflict, either because like Japan, they're afraid
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: that they will that others will do to them what
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: they did. Right, This is definitely the way, you know,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: the US thinks. We always assume that somebody will do
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: exactly what we've done in the past. We're afraid of
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: our own sins or in the case of Israel, or
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: they were brutalized, and now they use that as a
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: justification to brutalize others. But this will not end with
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: this generation. It won't end in the three generations. It
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: will be carried forward a memory, a scar that continues
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: to fester and continues to cause more grief. So you know,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: when we start looking at the cost of war, please
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: start thinking about the long term costs. In addition to
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: all the mayhem and chaos and money and death and
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: tragedy that happens there, it's going to continue.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Well, when you were talking about the oligarch takeover of
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the US government. I was just thinking, wait, that that's
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: exactly the plan for the for the Silicon Tech Olie guards.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: They said as much.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: You know, Mark and Jason said more than once on
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: his podcast, oligarchy is a natural order of things. And
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: now we do have a you know, we have Peter
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Thio's man of JD.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Van's. You know, he's poised to take over.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: He was actually the one who the security rushed to
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: first during this quote unquote assassination. You know, like it
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: was on camera. They all went to cover JD. Van's first,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: before they even got to the troupe.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: They understand the twenty fifth Amendment, they know who's going
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: to be there. And besides, his wife was seen with
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: this guy way back in the day. I mean, I
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: can't wait for that to become popular fodder. I mean, yeah, no, no,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: you're absolutely right. The reason I don't take the Silicon
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Valley oligarchic seriously is they're just a repeat of the
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: steel and oil and railway barons of the eighteen eighties
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: the late eighteen hundreds in America, where you had these
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: individuals who thought they were godlike because they controlled you know,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: they had been lucky enough to be in the right
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: position and brutal enough to pursue fortunes. But you know, inevitably,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: these guys are so ego driven, you know, they're so competitive,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: they can't stand each other. So the idea of the
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: oligarchy sounds fine, but each they don't really want an oligarchy.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: What they want is to be the supreme leader. They
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: want to be fascists. So invariably they fight each other
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: and maybe there's one stronger than the other, and they
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: get on top and they try to do it. But
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: their plan is very simple. Bankrupt the government and there
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: and thereby privatize all of the functions of government, and
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: that's how they take over without firing a shot, without democracy.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Uh you know they I mean, they don't make.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Any secret of this. This is dark enlightenment. Who is
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: that crazy little guy Karp, he's the president's pallenteer.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: My god, guy.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Alex car Yeah, I mean half of the time, maybe
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: time like this.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: He can't sit still.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: The hair is going over and you're like, you're kidding me,
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: You're you're talking about elitism, and look at you. You
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: look like you have ants in your pants and you
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: took too much speed last night. But that's why I
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: don't take them as seriously. But the neocons, you do.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I mean they've been they've been in the woodwork for
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: a long time. I mean, you've had presidents identified that
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: the military industrial complex is probably the most dangerous entity
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: in the US because they only exist for war or
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: the possibility of conflict, and they need conflict in order
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: to feed the machine. And these people, if you talk
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: to them, they really believe it. I mean they're true believers.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: They're ideologues, you know, the peace through strength, all right,
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: we are the guardians of the of the universe. Barring
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: us there's World War III. We are the guardians against chaos.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: They really do believe this. I've talked to these guys,
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: and you know, ordinary people and run of the mill things.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: They're not stupid, they have degrees, but they really do
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: believe that they need to be in control of the rabble, uh,
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: you know, for their high minded goals. And if they
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: get rich along the way, that's okay too. You know,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: if you know, you go back to Vice President what's
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: his name, formerly Cheney, Dick Cheney. I mean, here's a
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: scary guy. I mean, he was supposed to be a
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: trusted confidante of the Bush family, and as soon as
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: he got in to be vice president, he started wagging
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: the dog, which was in this case the puppy Bush
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: the shrub, and he got America into all sorts of things,
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: and his old company did very well. They got caught
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: for a lot of fraud and pay back a lot
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: of money, or they were supposed to pay it back.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: I never actually looked to be interesting to look if
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: they actually did pay it back. But they made so
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: much money. They were doing you know, everything good logistics,
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: providing food, housing, They're building roads, supplying private contractors for
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: you know, all sorts of different things. In Afghanistan and
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: then Iraq was it was glory years, unbelievable because and
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: money was floating in. They would just take huge containers
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: full of cash and then it would be put into
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: safe and then it would be doled out. And there's
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: really no record of it except it went to Mohammad, right,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: And who was Mohammad?
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Everyone, I mean, Muhammad is a very very popular name,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: and how are you going to track that down?
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Anyways?
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: And sometimes Mohammed looked just like an American contractor you know,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: changed his name or was his nickname. His nickname was Mohammad,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: called me Mohammed to be fifty million dollars. I got
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: to do something. Don't don't ask. If you ask and
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I tell you what, I have to kill you and
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: that would be messy and you wouldn't be around to
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: give me another fifty million next week. So, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: hundreds of billions of dollars of the two point three
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: trillion dollars that we spent there has never been accounted for.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: And this from an organization, the Pentagon, who has still
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: yet yet delivered. Despite I think it's now ten years
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: or whatever, being required to pass an audit by Congress,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: they still have not been able to do that. Now
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: my suspicion is that they will be able to do
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: this based on all of these wars. First, you know Ukraine,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: they sent all the things that they couldn't account for,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: if you know what I mean. Send over a few
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: extra containers. What's in those containers? All this stuff we
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: can't find. They may look empty, but they're not. Believe me,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: It's full of stuff, stuff things. So I think after this,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: and then with Israel, after fire off basically everything that
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: we have and depleting our AMMO and things like that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: I think they actually might be able to do it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: The problem is, you know, they have so many assets,
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: they just can't account for it. They don't even know
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: where it is, so they can't even ship it from
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: anywhere because they don't have any proof that it was
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: there to begin with. It's just all lost stuff. I'm
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: sure it's in good hands somewhere around the world whatever,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: maybe a friend or maybe Mohammed. So yeah, no, I
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: mean we laugh, but I mean you just start looking
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: the enormity of all this stuff and it's incredible. So, yeah,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: is this tin hats it's time to say that. No,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not talking about, you know, my conspiracy theory, right,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying there are documents out there that have
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: been written by very very I mean, you know, the
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Powell Doctrine is written by a guy who was Supreme
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Court justice for many years. He had a huge impact
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: on the court, and he did exactly what he set
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: out to do in that memo. So this isn't me
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: saying that. All right, you go and take a look
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: at Clean Break paper back in nineteen ninety six. That's
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: I didn't write that, okay, I was done by Powell.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: It was given directly to Netanyahu. So the idea that
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: these are conspiracy, that's what I have a problem with, Carl,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: is that so many people are coming out with these
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: off the wall conspiracies that people get confused. They should say, well,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: it is all the same. I mean, this is all nonsense.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: So you can discount anything by bringing up some other things.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's some guy in Minnesota. I think he's
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: a little bit slow. Anyways, he's run by his mother,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: and he was the excuse me, hay fever and beishing.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: He was the darling of the right until they discovered
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: that ye wasn't quite all there. But anytime somebody would
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: ask a complex question, he would just bring up some
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: conspiracy and you equate them, all right, you know, And it's
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: it's part of the tool that is tools that are
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: used in social media today. They're going to equate any
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: kind of nonsense, say well it's all the same. You
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: can't tell what's going on.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Just listen to me. I'll give it to you.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: And you know, the idea of actually having facts and
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: seeing development over a period of time so that you
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: can judge these things. That's kind of going by the way.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, Carl, you and I talk about them, but
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: I know very few shows where they actually go back
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: into history.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: And say, well just just look at what they wrote.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, and then look with what happened, And there's totally
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: a connection here, and especially since the same people who
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: wrote it were involved in making it happen. All right,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: this is not you know, oh well he said it
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: and somebody else picked it up. So yeah, it's it's
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: a wild world in this. But I also remember, don't
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: go too easy on our friends and the Democratic Party.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: They basically flipped. They used to be the you know,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: for the working man. Labor unions flocked to them. Unions
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: still support them in theory, but their members tend to
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: go for Republicans. Now, why because Democrats have become the
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: party of corporatus, those corporations who believe that the United
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: States should be doing their business for them. Like in
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: the past, you know, you had banana republics. Why were
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: they called banana republics Because when Dole, which had large
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: plantations down there, when they had a problem, for instance,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: a democratically elected government who said, look, you know, the
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: workers have to be paid enough so that they can live,
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: or they have the right to have a started union
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: and insist on you know, fair wages and working conditions.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: All of a sudden we were down there with troops
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: or there was assassinations, whatever it was necessary in order
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: to help our companies. So the idea that the Democrats
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: are bringing light and sunshine to the table, I'm sorry, Uh,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: it's not. It's just a three way contest between special interests.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: We're pushing it. And why because that's how the party
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: gets its money.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: And I mean Democrats. The transformation of Democrats to be
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the corporate is party was complete under the Clintons. They
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: that's what they were brought in to do. And that
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: happened in other countries as well, like you know, you
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: had Tony Blair in UK, you know, did the same
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: thing with the Labor Party. All these everybody was on board,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: was pushing the neoliberalism around around the and and so
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: now now we just have uniporties we we have and
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: speak of truth.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, what what is a strength? Piece? Through strength?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: What is not conspiracy?
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Is? Right now, the US Navy can't barely feed its sailors.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: What people posted that the pictures.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Of the of their and they like that.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Truth, that's certain is where it's at.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Just because you don't have you know, the taste buds,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: you appreciate it, oh, I'm telling you.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: And bathrooms, who needs them? You know, a shower for
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: a while?
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know they are you not men? Come on,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: you know, manly men al wage. Second, they have women
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: on there too. Sure, that's all. Actually, at a certain
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: times when you no sanitary disposal or facilities or products, yeah,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: that's that's that's nothing says close confinement with five thousand
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: of your closest people who smell like they came out
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: of a you.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Know, there's no reason it's got back.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: But I imagine that these guys trying to figure out
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: how they can sit on the railing and take a dump.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I mean they in some parts of the world, yeah,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, and somebody was telling me that they were
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: they when they were riding back and forth to work
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: in India, that many people stood on the you know,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: basically squatted on the curb and did their business in
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: the gutter. And it's like, well, yeah, that's okay, but
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: you know, one, you know, you're basically about what one
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty feet above the water. You know you're
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: leaning out. If you fall in, they're probably propeller meat.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: You're part of the raise stuff that they're going to
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: serve ut lunch time. And green.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: US Navy actually had a you know, they had the
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: official tweet to dispel the rumors that they can't fade
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the feet the sealers sailor. They posted very nice pictures
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: of in bright lit kitchens they serve food.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: But when you look closely, I generated images. You know
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: you have guys through the metal cabinets.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: It's very you know, it's wartime conditions. I mean, what
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: do you want them to do? Actually go on the things?
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I mean they can't go on and nothing's working. But
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: I just want to add something. And people are wondering
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: when you say Clinton completed this corporatist switch, you can
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: tell that happened because under him, Lass Stiegel was repealed. Now,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: glass Steagle had been put in place by the FDR
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: to make sure that banks, insurance companies, all right, and
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: brokerage houses did not commingle their funds and start playing
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: lottery with your money. That was the idea, and glass
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Steagle had done a very effective job of keeping banks
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: in their lane, lending to people and businesses, brokerage houses
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: selling stocks and giving advice in terms of that, and
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: insurance companies who are taking in you know, you take
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: in a little money over the years and then you
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: pay out later for life insurance or if it's medical insurance, anything.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: But the point is you do not want the premiums
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: from insurance companies, or do the deposits from banks being
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: mingled in and given to investment banking houses who think, gee,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: my bonus is going to be huge. I have other
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: people's money. I can make huge bets and if any
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: of them works out, I'm going to be a hero.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: And if they don't work out, and you know, invariably,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: the crowd runs in one direction and then everyone's very sorry,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: as we saw with the financial melt town. But that
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: financial meltdown was in essence a direct product of the
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: repeal of the Glass Steagle Act. And he repealed it
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: because he thought he was getting, you know, universal health,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: and he didn't get it. So he thought, I'm making
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: the hard decision. I'm going to give one to the
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: other and we'll have regulators who make sure nothing bad happens. Well,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: it did, it's called a you know, the two thousand
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: and eight two thousand and nine financial crisis that was
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: engineered in the US because no one was watching and
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: people were playing big time with the numbers and other
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: people's money. So that's an example. You know, once you say, oh, well,
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: how did they do this? What did they do?
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: These are the types of things that you should be
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: looking for. I mean, this isn't hidden stuff. You can
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: you can go to Wikipedia. It's not perfect, but it
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: gives you a very a very good idea. So in
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: some cases it might be worth When you're listening to
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: something really crazy, you say, oh, I don't know about that,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: it might it might be worth things. I mean, even
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: the go ahead the AI systems will sometimes give you summaries.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: But I'm noticing now and this is something, Carl, I mean,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: this is really important. You know the old adage garbage
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: in garbage out right. Now, what's happening is they've learned
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: how to game the system. So if you have a
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: particular point of view, for instance, you're Israel, you want
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: you know, you don't want bad things that about Israel
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: and things like that, you start putting in massive amounts
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: of pro Israeli or questioning the other side. So you
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: put this data onto the internet, you feed it into
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: the systems. So when these AI systems are learning all right,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: they're using their large language models, which basically means that
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: they're taking all the information they can get and they're
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: trying to make sense of it. It's being poisoned. The tail,
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: the scales are being tipped. And I notice it more
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: and more these days. If you go to you know,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: three or four different Ais, you're going to get very
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: different answers. But if you know the subject and you
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: put it in and you notice that all of a sudden,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: things are getting softer or things aren't mentioned, right, that
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: is an example of how, you know, what would supposed
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: to be the you know, the source of truth is
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: actually being fueled, gamified by those who are trying to
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: obscure what the truth is.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: They do this all the time, because I started noticing
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: they whenever US and Israel is doing some really fed
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: up ship to you know, Muslims in West Asia, you're
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: going to have suddenly you're going to have a coordinated
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: media campaign of highlighting the supposedly atrocity porn in China,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Like this is what happened like on the clock, because
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I remember in twenty eighteen, uh, when Israel, you know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: people think everything happening in October seventh. No, no, back
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, when Israel was bombing Gaza. Back then,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: you certainly have all these headlines from all the mainstream media, BBC,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal, you werek time saying Shinjong is the
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: world's largest open air prism.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: So if you search that in a Google box, don't forget.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: And exactly so when you search that on Google, that's
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: what will come up. It will come up with all
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: these mainstream articles talking about you know, all this or
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: what the horrible stuff that China is supposedly doing throughs
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: instead when everybody knew the world's largest open air prism
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: is Gaza. But they were able to successfully game the
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: search engine by putting out these articles. I mean they
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: still do that today.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: What you're doing, Yeah, it's it's it's exactly. This is
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: what Trump does all the time. He always accused the
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: people doing exactly what he's doing. He's the nastiest president
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: we've ever had in terms of personal.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Remarks and what does he do.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: He accuses everybody else of being nasty.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's speaking of and speaking of changes in legislation. Uh,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I there was a time, you know, until
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: up to twenty thirteen, when Voice of America was prohibited
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: from broadcasting inside the United States because the idea was,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: we're not supposed to be propagandized to the American citizens.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: It was it was only supposed to propagandize that our
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: adversary to you know, Sylvia, Union, to China.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: But Carl, I want you to think about this. If
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: they had broadcast inside.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: America, people said that's not true.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: And that's that was.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: More the reason than we're going to convince people just
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: like who says that. I mean, no, that never happened.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: But they they in twenty thirteen, in twenty thirteen, they change,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: they made amendment to change the Smith Monk Act. So
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: because they say, well it's Internet age now we have
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to adapt. You can you can no longer you know,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: before Voice of America is you know way it's radio.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: You know, like like.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Now Internet age, everybody can access the Internet. So now
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: they modify it. So all these US propaganda arms like
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Radio Free Asia, Radio Free Liberty, Voice of America, they
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: can all be accessed within United States and and and
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: this is like like the whole point of not propagating
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: to American citizens a mood point.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: Now, well, yeah, but they have the mainstream press, so
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: I don't think.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Now full disclosure, Carl I was on Okay radio. No,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: it wasn't not radio free. What was It was called
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: a Voice of America. They had an Arabic station, all Hua,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: all right, And for years they would call me up.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: And the first time they called me, I thought it
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: was a joke. All right, why are you calling me
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: up to be on the Voice of America, you know
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: in the Middle East. And they said, well, we just
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: wanted to hear your voice. So I got on and
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: they had somebody there who was a third rate. He
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: was just reading down talk points and things like that
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: didn't make any sense, and I was I was a
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: little tough on him, maybe because I just kept on saying,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: well why do you say that? And they just go
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: to the next talk point, so it's pretty obvious. And
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: I said to him, well, I don't know, I don't
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: know if people are interested in your talk points or
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: a discussion. Anyways, that when they called me back the
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: second time, I was really shocked. I said well, I'd
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: assume that you never called me back again because I
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: I you know, I made fun of your guy, and
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: he said, oh no, no, no, no, we like you.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: We want to have opposing views. You know, after a while,
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: I suddenly realized because I kept me calling. I said,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: they the Arab staff thought it was hilarious because it
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: was all in Arabic, right. So of course the people
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: at the top weren't listening.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: They had no idea what was going on.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, so they're sitting there going, oh, let's get iner
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: on here. But you know, they kept, they kept. I
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: must say, they tried to improve the opposition. I was
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: up to a assistant or an undersecretary or assistant undersecretary,
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: but it was the same thing.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: It's just talk points. They saw it as a slam.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Dunk because this is their station, this is their propaganda vehicle.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: And then they'd get this annoying guy me out there
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: questioning them. It was it was kind of fun. And
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: then then the party stopped when Trump defunded it. I
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: can understand, given what the what the Arabs have, we're doing,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: which was basically making fun of these idiots who they
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: didn't agree with. I mean, there they're Arabs, they know
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: what's going on. They have relatives back, you know, in
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: the Middle East. They're not fooled by the propaganda. Everyone's happy.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, my mom my cousin got killed today.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: We're all happy, really really happy.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: So, you know, this propaganda model has has really it's
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: become very vicious because it is now a lot of
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: it is on social media, and no one knows who
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: to trust, because, as we talk about, there are all
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: these ways in which you destroy people's sense of trust,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: and then they start reacting emotionally to whatever's happening and
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: they say, oh, that's bad, okay, I hate those guys
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: and things like that. And once they start down that path,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: they get involved in these echo chambers which reinforce it
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: and things like that. Now they would say the same
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: about you and I. They say, oh, well, they're anti American,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: they know they're about blah blah blah blah. But the
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: difference is we actually, you know, we will discuss it.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: There's nothing I love better than talking to somebody who
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: actually believes and is willing to discuss a different point
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: of view. I don't respect if they're just you know,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: you're doing talk points, they don't know what they're talking about,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: or they just make stuff up. Gordon Chang is a
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: perfect example. I've been on shows with him. He's about
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: as deep as a tissue paper, you know. Once he
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: just gets out there and he throws his same old
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: trust nuts that he's been saying, what now for twenty
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: six years? YEA, China's failing? This is the year and
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: even Donald Trump. Can you imagine you get dissed by
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump for saying it's going to fail? This guy
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: doesn't know what he's talking about. I mean, come on,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is a guy who doesn't even read.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: There's a question if he can read, you know, or
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: comic other than a comic book and things like that.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: And he says, Gordon changing something wrong with that boy
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: at really things? But yet, I mean, for all this time,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: think about it, he's been making a living, he's been
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: publishing books, he goes on talk shows, he gives lectures.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: He's brought into these these conservative thing tanks as an advisor,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: as somebody who's knowledgeable. He doesn't know anything. I mean,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: it's just it's it's a travesty.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: The ironic part is the ironic part is einart is
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: he is brought in to all all these media circuit
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: because he has a Chinese face. So by him saying
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: those things, he lends credibility to what he's saying because
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: he has a Chinese face. Yet he's he's so he
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: can spell the most anti China points online. And the
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: funny thing is he's The funny thing is somehow he
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: also made himself a Korean experts like.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: What he doesn't even know Korean? Like, he's not Korean?
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Why are you inviting him to talk about Korea?
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Like this guy doesn't doesn't speak the language, that has
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: no cultural connection to Korea at all, It's just because
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: he has an Asian face.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Well, look you, Carl, you've been to the US. You
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: understand they don't know the difference. I mean you you
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: walk around, You're all Chinese to them. It doesn't matter now.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was head of a pan Asian, the
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: large pan Asian group in Wisconsin. It was basically we
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: were trying to get people to differentiate between different nations.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: I said, you know, Vietnamese and Cambodians and Thai, they're
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: not Chinese. And then the people will look at you, Well,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: there's no difference. You all look alike, right, you got
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: those names, you know those names? They said, well, actually,
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: you know, Cambodian the names are very long and complicated
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: and things like that. They're not, you know, like Chinese names.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: It says, oh, well, you know, you guys.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Are all the same.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: You're all Chinese, you know, and I mean the level
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: of ignorance, and of course along along with it became
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: a healthy dose of racism and things like this. But
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: you know, in funny ways, Carl, it worked for me
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: because what I did is I we had about one
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: percent of the population was at the top end of
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: the economic scale. They're all professors and doctors and engineers
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: and extremely successful, high income's, high educational tainment. But then
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: because of the Vietnam War, they brought in a lot
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: of refuge cheese from Thailand, Vietnam, etcetera. The Mung we're
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: a group who we used to fight a proxy war.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: They rescued our flyers. They were sappers, you know, guerrilla
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: warfare for hire, and about what a third of them
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: made it through to camps in Cambodia, I mean in Thailand,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: and then only a third of those made it to
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: the US. So you're talking about a country that was
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: basically reversed, decimated, basically.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: Eight out of ten people died as far as you know.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: So but they they were fighter, farmers, hunters, They are great,
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: great shots. But you know, coming into a moderns as
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: I was different. But I was able to say to
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: the Asian, the rest of the Asians there, especially the Chinese,
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: I said, look, people here don't know the difference between
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: mung and things. And quite frankly, the Mung have their
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: their names are Chinese derivations, Okay, Shong, things like this,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: lead all these things, so they're not going to be
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: able to tell by the name. So whatever happens to
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: their children, your children will be trd with that. So
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: what you need to do is to make sure that
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: they have some opportunities. I'm not saying you have to
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: invite them to their house and do all this stuff,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: but I mean saying you have to kind of help
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: them along in order to help your children. And that
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: seemed to appeal to people for a while. They understood that,
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: you know, they're all in the Asian boat together, if
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But when you have to
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: resort to things like that, when you have to start
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: saying that the reality is that no one can differentiate
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: any of these things. And this is the largest percentage
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: of the population of the world, right, so and you
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: can't tell the differences. That's really that's really something. I know, Americans,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: you know, on a differentiate themselves by which state they're
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: from and their accent to things like this. And the
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: fact is they get very annoyed if you don't know
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: they're from Texas or California or New York things like this.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Yet they will not pay attention to, you know, people
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: from other cultures and countries. I mean, Africans have a
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: real hard time in America because they were considered as
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: just like, oh, you're black, so you're African American. No,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: I'm from Africa, but I'm you know, and I might
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: be American, but it's a little bit different. So no
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: respect for culture, no respect for history, and no respect
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: for education. Quite frankly, you start looking, I mean, you know,
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: the cradle of civilization was Mesopotamia, right, Well, guess what
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: that's in Africa. Everything started there. In terms of what
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: we know, there are people who are wandering around and
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: things like that, but civilizations that we can trace, we
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: can and see the foundations of buildings they built, and
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: we know that they had science and things like that.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: It all and languages and writing and things like that.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: It all started in Mesopotamia. Yet if you ask most
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Americans about African history, they'll tell you it's just a
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: bunch of people wandering around in loin cloths, you know,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: running through the jungle.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: They have had no idea about how ancient and how
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: complex and diverse the civilizations down there were.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: In the same history of air Break World.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: When I was in caw Tech, we had a exchange
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: student fun Kenya, and like.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Of art.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: And shoal counsel or ask him, did you guys have shoes?
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Like I'm like, dude, this.
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: Guy makes change students funk Kenya to call tact you
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: think they he didn't have shoes, Like, come on, you
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: think like Nairobi is all like us.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: But the problem is the person who's asking him is
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: at cal Tech.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: That's the problem. That is the problem.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: That is the problem.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: He's also like supposed to be one of the top
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: tier higher educated American elite.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, and.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Which which brings which like makes it extra funny because
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Americans don't know the difference between Taiwan and Thailand, and
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: yet you know, it's expected to spend blood and treasures
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: to defend Taiwan. It's like they don't even know Taiwan
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: and Thailand are.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Two separate entities.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: Let me make it clear, they couldn't pick either one
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: of them out of I mean, they just don't know.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: And frankly, they don't care if you if you point
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: to that area, some people will say that it's that
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: it's uh, the you know, Middle East. Others will say India.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, they just don't know. I mean, that's the
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: the ignorance of a country which is supposed to be
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: the most powerful country on earth, where you know, what
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: we say and how we vote is going to be consequential,
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: and yet we know nothing about it. The arrogance of
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: it is amazing. And this is not to say that
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: American people are bad. Fast overwhelming number of Americans are
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: actually pretty decent people, and they'll help you out and
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: they're friendly. You know, it's not the people. What happens
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: is there's this disconnect between the people and the elites.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: The people in Washington and in politics and how they
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: go about it. They've they've been completely captured by special
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: interests and the special interests have absolutely no use because
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: you know, when we were talking about before, about you know,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: oligarchical tech titans, the military industrial complex and then a corporatus.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: Guess who's missing? The people cool, they're they're they're the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: only ones who aren't represented. And this is this is
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: the real shame. I mean, democracy has been captured. And
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: you know we have the goal to say that you know, oh,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: you're not a democracy, Well are we are? We? I
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: mean Donald Trump is trying to prevent people from from
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: from voting.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: As we speaks, try to pass.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Another Save America Act or something like this, basically requiring
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: two forms of I d guess what.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: Guess who's not what?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I want to post a question for you because I
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: have been challenged by one potential guest of my Glenn Luck,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: who often posts prolifically on Chida economy and like that.
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  Speaker 2: Originally I was spoke.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to invite him to do a show on
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  Speaker 1: how Chinese economy is actually much larger than it's been reported,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because he said China, Chinese economy is probably
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  Speaker 1: twice the size of the United States. But he challenged
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  Speaker 1: me on something he said, you know, rather than your
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  Speaker 1: normal talking points about China US, why don't you folks
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  Speaker 1: inverted say how can United States turn things around? And
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  Speaker 1: I really thought about this for for a while, and
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  Speaker 1: so I want to put that question on you because
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  Speaker 1: you have more political experience than I do, and you,
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  Speaker 1: you and I both aware of the problems in the US,
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  Speaker 1: which is the special interest takeover of the country.
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  Speaker 2: How do we break out that cycle?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I unfortunately we had something like that with FDR.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he wasn't perfect, but he didn't fact change
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  Speaker 3: the system. So I would say, first off, of the leadership.
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  Speaker 3: I've told you before, I don't believe in isms. I
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: don't believe in democracy or communism or anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: What I believe in is are the systems of government
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  Speaker 3: that produce good people. Because without good people, I don't
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  Speaker 3: care what system of government you have, you have nothing.
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  Speaker 3: It will alter turn bad. So I look at it
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  Speaker 3: that way. In terms of America, I think that in
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  Speaker 3: the past, at least historically, we've had people who've risen
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  Speaker 3: to the occasion. Sometimes people say it's the times make
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  Speaker 3: the man. Sometimes a man makes the times.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a combination of those. The right person
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  Speaker 3: at the right time can make a big difference. America
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  Speaker 3: has lost its higenomy. That that's a fact. The world
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  Speaker 3: is multipolar, that's a fact. The problem is we're going
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  Speaker 3: through what they call a paradigm change, which is a
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: fancy way of saying the things we thought we knew
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  Speaker 3: are no longer as valid, and they were creating a
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: new set of things that we think we knew. We
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: know assumptions and the assumption that America is pre eminent
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  Speaker 3: is gone. The only problem is that when you chart
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  Speaker 3: changing things, there are always a lot of people who say, no,
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  Speaker 3: I don't agree, and that that's the main problem in America.
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  Speaker 3: You have people who believe in nostalgia. And the last
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: two presidents are perfect examples of this. You know, Biden
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  Speaker 3: wanted to talk about, you know, the fifties, you know,
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  Speaker 3: when he was growing up and you know how his dad,
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  Speaker 3: who was you know, working you know, an union job,
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  Speaker 3: was able to well, he was working, but he was
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  Speaker 3: he was not wildly educated or anything like that, but
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: he was able to put food on his on the plate,
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  Speaker 3: help his kids with school, have a house, these types
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  Speaker 3: of things. And he was not upper middle class and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: the kind of things that Biden had when he was
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: growing up would be equivalent to upper middle class today.
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  Speaker 3: So he longed for those times. He wanted to bring
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: America back. And then you have Donald Trump, who, yes,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: it's the same thing. He wants to bring America back.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, the age of industrialization, things like that.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: Things change. You never swim in the same river twice
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: because the water changes, it moves. So it's one of
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: those things where until we start realizing that American exceptionalism,
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  Speaker 3: this idea that we can tell you what to do
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  Speaker 3: but we don't have to do it ourselves because we're superior,
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  Speaker 3: or we're looking out for the greater good, that doesn't work.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, every fascist group in the world will tell
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: you that they're doing good and even if they have
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: to do bad, it's okay because it's for the greater good.
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  Speaker 3: So we have to get away from these fash fascistic tendencies.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: We have to embrace the world the way it is.
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  Speaker 3: We need a leader who can pull people together and
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  Speaker 3: it's not going to be everybody. You're going to have
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  Speaker 3: at least twenty or thirty percent who resist, but pull
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  Speaker 3: the majority of people Americans together and then says okay,
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  Speaker 3: we have to have a plan. We're a rich nation.
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  Speaker 3: We have wonderful people. We used to be able to
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  Speaker 3: attract the best and the brightest in the world. We
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  Speaker 3: have educational institutions which are storied that they have so
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  Speaker 3: many different varieties. You can choose how you learn and
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  Speaker 3: what you learn, and those are great advantages when you start.
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  Speaker 4: Talking about a knowledge economy.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the irony that I always said is industrialization
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  Speaker 3: is low margin business. You're competing against the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the world, so you know, it's supplying demand. Currently, you
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: have supply and demand a lot of supplies being met
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  Speaker 3: by China, right, and they do it very efficiently at
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  Speaker 3: low price. The United States could never match what China
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: does currently without massive, massive investments, but it wouldn't create jobs,
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  Speaker 3: and it would still be very low margin because it's
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: competing for legacy industries. Yes, I need salt, I need chemicals,
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  Speaker 3: I need all these things. But you know when you
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: can make them on vast numbers economies of scale, I
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: can turn out ten billion of these things an hour. Right,
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  Speaker 3: No one's going to even get close to you in
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  Speaker 3: terms of well, let's go into that business, right, there's
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  Speaker 3: no way. There's the capital you have barriers to entry
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  Speaker 3: of the market, which means that it's just cost too
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: much to try to get into that industry, and even
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: if you do, the margins are very low. We also
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  Speaker 3: have a built in problem in terms of almost every
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: single one of our industries that dominates in the US
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: is dominated by two or three companies. So you have
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: an oligarchy. Do they serve the people or are they
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: taxing the people for what they need? I mean, you
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  Speaker 3: no better at things and the cell phone operators, all right,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: they have in essence, somebody comes along if they are innovative,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: they either get crushed by the rest or they get
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: bought up. So you know this, this is the kind
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: of thing. So you look at Microsoft. Why is Microsoft
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: so successful? Well, they were famous under Bill Gates for
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: going into buying up technology that they didn't want released
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: because they already had a huge investments in existing technology
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: and they needed to get their investment out the return
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: from that. So rather than allow some company to come
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: in do it, they would either crush it, you know,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: saying okay, there's something wrong with your patents, We're going
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: to sue you and you know, basically bleed you dry.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: Or this is either let us buy you out, or
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: we'll do we'll go back to number one and crush you.
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  Speaker 3: So they were famous for being very hard knows about this,
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  Speaker 3: and there are a lot of things that they bought
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: which have never seen the light of day in terms
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: of the market and things like that, because.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: It was a corporate decision.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: So you have to ironically, you have to have a
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: system where yes, government does have a watchdog, that you
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: do have consumer interests out there at the overall level,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: but that where competition is actually at the lower levels,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: that you don't have monopolies or oligopolies controlling things because
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: they The reason you don't is if they could do
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  Speaker 3: it efficiently and pass on the savings people, that would
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: be great, but they don't. Their sole aim, and they'll
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: tell you, is to enrich their investors, their shareholders. They
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: have no obligation to anything or anybody. All they need
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: to do is to make money for the people who
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: own them. So you know, structurally, you have industry. In
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: terms of ideology, we have to put away this idea
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: of American exceptionalism. We need better leadership, leadership that believes
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: that they have a duty to the people. And I'm
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: not saying communism or socialism. As I said, I don't
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  Speaker 3: really care about that. What I do care about is
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: how do you run a society today, an information based
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: society if you don't have a healthcare system, because our
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: healthcare system concerned consumes what fifteen twenty percent of the GDP,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: yet it doesn't cover both the people. Where's other countries
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: and their systems are not perfect, right, but they spend
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: less it's something three to five percent, and they cover everybody.
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  Speaker 3: The decision not to fund them higher and that's a
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: government decision. But they're spending literally a quarter of what
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: we do and covering their people. If they spend to
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: half of what we do, they could cover all of
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  Speaker 3: their people. How do you run a country that doesn't
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: have a good educational system if you need no alle
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: which knowledgeable people, if you have to train people for
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: a new economy, the digital economy is not the old one.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: This is the first time in history that white collar
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: workers are directly under attack. White collar workers are the
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: people who collate to gather information and reports. They summarize them,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: they organize them. You know, think of accountants and things
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: like that. They're not making any money, they're simply organizing
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  Speaker 3: the information. But now AI can do that. I'm going
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: to do in a fraction of the time, and it
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: can be much more accurate. It doesn't mean it's a pantasy.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: It doesn't mean there aren't going to be any accountants
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: in the world. Quite the opposite. The difference between the
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: world with AI and we're without is that without AI,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: there are a lot of clerks who are gathering and
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: collating information and sending it up. Under AI, that will
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: be done to sell. But what AI can't do is
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: ask questions, all right, institute assumptions. So the people who
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: are in charge of what is being done, and for instance,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: people should understand that accounting isn't what they think. It's
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: not just collecting information and saying okay, it's how you
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: characterize something, and that's what happens on the higher levels.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: Is this a debt or a credit? Well there are different.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: People say well, come on, don't talk foolish. It's either
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: one or the other. Right, No, I can make a
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: debt look like a credit. I can make a credit
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: look like a debt, and it's question of how you
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: characterize them and that type of information. It can be
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: done at a low level by an AI, but not
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: at a high level. You can tell it what you want,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: But what happens is the answers that you give from
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: an AI are going to be largely the same. Assuming
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: they have good data, it should be largely the same. Unfortunately,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: in the business world, unless you're you have a competitive advantage,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: what are you offering?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: I offer the same as him. There's no value, So
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: there's always going to be a room. But you know,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: as I said, what is needed in society is changing dramatically.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: We need people who who can think, who understand these systems. Yes,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: these systems have to be made. People have to invent.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: Robots don't invent themselves. They keep saying, well, at some
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: point robots can build other robots. Yes they can, but
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: they they don't have that human element where it's the
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: robot is to help humans, not to help other robots.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: So if they were just trying to build robots to
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: help robots, I think they'd be okay. But if they're
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: trying to build robots to help humans, it changes because
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: the needs of human beings change based on age, I mean, fashion,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: you name it. We're dynamic in a way. We do
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: all the same foolish things year after year. But we
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: are dynamic. We like to make small changes. The way
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: we regard our lives changes, and that's why this kind
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: of one solution fits all doesn't work. So what am
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: I saying? Okay, you need to make changes to industry
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: to make sure that it is both safe at the
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: top end regulated by government. You need to make sure
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: that there's competition so that you're get at innovation and
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: innovation has access to the markets and compete freely. You
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: need to have a social service system that is allowing
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: you to be efficient and knowledgeable and compete against other countries,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: because that's what we're talking about. And you're going to
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: need a leadership in a way of not only that
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: one leader, but you need to have a system that
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: produces consistently good leaders. And good leaders can't exist by themselves.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: It's not like I create an uber leader and you
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: have to have those behind them within the bureaucracy who
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: do believe, you know, in a better society if you
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: don't have that, and I've seen that, you know. I
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: always used to say bureaucracy is the death of civilization
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: because once people stop caring, and it's just.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: It wasn't my dream to be a clerk, all right,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: And people hassle me and they treat me badly, so
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: I do the same to them. In essence, they become
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: not not actuators, not people who help. They become people
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: who get in the way, make your life miserable by
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: because they're miserable. So you know, you have to have
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: systems where people believe in what they're doing, whatever it is,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: and that is it can be any ideology, but as
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: long as you're as you're pushing it in a way
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: that is beneficial to humankind. And I've told you I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: think before the world is pretty simple. In my book,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: I've never met a good person who didn't have empathy
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: caring for other people. That are met a bad person
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: who had true empathy. And I was dealing with criminals
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: and things like that. But also in terms of business friendships,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: et cetera. Those people who have no empathy, of course
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: they're going to cheat you. They regard you as you know,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: part of the jungle, and they're they're trying to survive,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: and if they have to kill you to do it, hey,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: those are just the breaks. You do the same to them.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: This is what criminals always would tell me. Only my
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: only crime was that I got caught. I was simply
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: doing what everyone else does, and I just got caught,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: and that was you know, ninety nine point nine percent
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: of all these criminals, good people are saying, I have
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: a responsibility. I've been lucky. It's how you get up
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: in the morning. If you get up in the morning,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: you count all the things that you have, even if
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: you don't have a lot, if you count the things
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: that you do have you woke up that morning, do
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: you have enough food? Are you able to feed your family?
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: These?
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: These are basic things, but if you have those, it's
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: a start. Is a ferrari going to make you happy?
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. But then there are the other people.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: They wake up every morning and they think of what
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: they don't have. I don't have the ferrari, all right, don't.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not married to the most beautiful women in the world.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: My children don't love me. I'm a victim, and my experience,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: victims are the ones who are most likely to be
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: criminals to give in to say, well, you know, no
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: one cares about me, so it's okay, he says, You know,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: people ask me about Iran, and I said, look, they
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: have been victimized, no doubt, right, but they're not completely blameless.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: And their idea that they're going to punish America by
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: bringing the rest of the world down, sorry, doesn't work
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: for me. It's not empathy. I understand that, you know,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: they have deep problems with the US and absolutely, but
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: this idea that they can somehow get revenge on the
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: US by collapsing the world economy, that's not fair. That's
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: that's that's not human. That's not things you're doing exactly.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: You've keme.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: You've become the same monster that you're fighting. There's a
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: good friend of mine, he said, Einer that was in politics.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: I just want you to remember something. Be careful if
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: you fight with monsters, because it's easy to become one yourself.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: And that's ultimately why I decided I did not want
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: to be in politics. It's the things that it does
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: to you. The casual calculations that I could make had
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with empathy. I had to do with
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: getting things done, not saying that you you know you
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: can enter into something. If you're going to do it,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: you got to do it. I understand that, but I
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: understand you understand that there's a price in terms of
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: who you are because you're defined by what you do.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: So America just has to If you know, if we
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: only did sixty percent of what we told other people
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: to do, we'd be pretty good.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: But we don't.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: I don't think we even do two percent of what
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: we tell other people to do. And that's the schism,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: that's the difference that's happening between us and the rest
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: of the world. I mean, can you imagine, if you know,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: Malaysia came out and said, hey, we don't care about anything.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: Malaysia first and only and all of all of you
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: have to be our vassal states. You know what, No,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: what are you nuts? Indonesia? Oh yeah, it's only Indonesia,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: all right, I mean China. China says, oh no, it's
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: only about China. We don't care about the rest of
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: the world. The rest of the world should serve us.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: That's the jungle. That's exactly the wrong direction for people
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: to go in. So yeah, let's let's let's let's hope.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: I've always said that America always changes as soon as
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: there's no other choice, and I think Donald Trump, in
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: a way is bringing about Hopefully what is the bottom,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: that we will hit bottom and that somebody will arise
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: who not only takes America in a new direction, but
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: is able to attract people who believe in a better America,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: one that.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: Is part of the global citizenship.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: Powerful, the most powerful nation on earth, yes, but not
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: the only nation on earth, a nation that has a
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: shared responsibility for the rest of the world to do
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: something about climate change, development, to keep peace, not war.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, we can prosper. This is the problem I
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: always had, and I said, you guys lack imagination. We
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: could do very, very well without these wars. We don't
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: need to build markets off the blood of other people.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: All we have to do is think creatively and solve problems.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: Solve problems. People want us there if we create problems.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: Funnily enough, they don't. And that's what we're doing right now.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: We go around the world creating problems and then we're
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: surprised that people don't like us. Well, if somebody did
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: that to us, we'd be screaming, bloody murder. Time to
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: nuke them all this kind of stuff. We're doing that now.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, because Iran didn't fall down, and you know,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: we killed their leadership. If anyone did what we did,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: if anyone did to America what we did to them,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: I guarantee you we would have a nuclear response. But
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: for some reason Americans, they don't understand that. And until
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: we get to the point where we understand that what
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: we do to others is how what they're going to
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: do to us, and do it. I mean, all the
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: religious books in the world tell you, even if you're
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: not religious, do unto others as you would have them
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: do unto you. And that simple thing is supposed to
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: be the bedrock of humanity, of you having a social civilization,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: and yet we routinely ignore it in favor of, well,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: we're right, you're wrong. It's a zero sum world. Sorry,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: I'm taking it. You can't have it, do I need it,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter, I'm taking it. That's not the attitude of
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: a world that's going to be at peace. It's, you know, unfortunately,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: the alchemy of war chaos, you know, the four horsemen
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: of the apocalypse. This is a welcome that to them.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately there are some weirdos who I really want
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: to bring that about. I don't understand it, but you know,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: when you when you uh, when Tucker Carlson, who has
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: his warts, sits down with the current ambassador, former governor
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: uh US ambassador to Israel, former Governor Huckabee, and he
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: says the things that he said unbelievable. And then and
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: and it's not isolated, you know. Then you saw his
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: interview with the senator from Texas who said, well, yeah,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: I want to take out around well how many people
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: live there?
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: I don't care, I don't know.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: And he's talking about how the Bible there was one
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: verse in the Bible that was basically the you know,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: he was, he was the centerpiece of his life, except
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: he didn't know where it was in the Bible. He
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: couldn't quote it properly. I didn't seem to understand what
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: it meant, you know, Ted Cruz, I mean he looked
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: like the most massive tool fool in the world in that.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: Are these the leaders we want? I don't think so.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: So let's hope that they're in the upcoming election, that
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: there are people who do believe in a better America
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: and are willing to make it better, because, as they said,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: we're a young country. We've made a lot of mistakes.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: We've only been at peace for seventeen or are let
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: between eleven and seventeen years out of two hundred and
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: fifty years. This is the two hundred and fiftieth year
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: of our existence. I can't say that. You can't say
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: that it's a you know, it's a mistake or a coincidence,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: or it just kind of happened. Once you had a
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: pattern that indelible you have, you know, it's time to reflect.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: And this is not something America has been really great at.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: We don't reflect on anything. Donald Trump is a perfect example.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: He actually said in his biography, I don't reflect.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: Is it why? Well, I might not like it if
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: I reflect.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: You said that. I mean, it's like, well, I give
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: them points for you know, of self realization here. But
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: on the other hand, it's kind of like, well, I
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: wouldn't like me if I reflect. It. Isn't that pretty
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: much why you should reflect? Perhaps you could be a
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: better person, But you know that's that's a sociopath for you.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: They can't see beyond themselves and they don't see the
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: need to do it anyways. But if we could reflect
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: as a nation and find a leader who leads us
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: in that direction. And I'm not saying religious or non religious.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, you know, how can we be better,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: and how can we convince people that we should be better?
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, you look at these last three. There are
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: three assassins, are all white, all male. None of them
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: was an immigrant, okay, and they had different educational backgrounds
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: in ages. On was you know, very very young still college.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: One was fifty eight, all right, he was very politically active.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: He'd been drawn in this most recent one in his thirties. Wow,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: you know he graduated from cal Tech. Your things. Now,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna everybody out there, I want you to put
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: on your tin hat. Okay, Carl here went to cal Tech.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: That guy went to cal Tech. I'm not saying that
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: we should draw, you know, points of interest here, but
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: did you participate in the assassination? You know, this is
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: kind of weirdness that we're going to be getting for
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: a while.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: I used a remote ancient Chinese tactic of my control.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: I sent my ways.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure they're going to find a trail of
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: your of your of your podcast. In is a social
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: media account, but he also had a master's from State
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: calivin State at I can't remember the name, but it's
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: a very good school and very very serious in terms
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: of especially his area, which was computer sciences and things
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: like that. All three were loaners. You know, they were
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: a little bit different. They were a little more actuated,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: but you know, they weren't the stark, crazy guys you
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: see wandering down the street, you know, with a tin
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: hat on going you know, death to the aliens. They
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: all felt very strongly that the United States has a problem,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: that that problem is at the top. I think they're
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: wrong in the sense that if they had either, if
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: any of them had succeeded, they would have made Donald
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: Trump and martyr. They would have extended his thinking for
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: years to come. And that's the problem. You don't want
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: to do that, you know. I always tell people I
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: want Donald Trump to serve out his office because I'm
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: really afraid of Jade Events a scary guy, and but
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: to live long enough so that he's punished for his crimes.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: That you know, they investigate his family, self dealing, They
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: look at, you know, payments for pardons and all of
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: these types of things. That he has to live with
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: the fact that his economic policies were derided and shown
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: to be shams, that he accomplished nothing I mean I
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: always challenge people, what has Donald Trump accomplished? He says, well,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: you know, he's guarded the border. Okay, so he took
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: a million people out of the US economy, which has
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: resulted in have have the crime rates gone down?
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: Murder rates in some cities have a back down, But
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: they weren't being done. The murder rates weren't I you know,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: illegal aliens, right. But what they successfully did is raise
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: the price of food because the migrants were especially in
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: farm areas and branches. They were the ones who were
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: actually working, working for subpart wages, but those cost savings
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: were being passed on to the American consumer. Now they're
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: paying more and they're wondering why there's inflation at the
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: same time as you know things. I mean, there was
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: a perfect example. There was a kind of open forum
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: and this woman and her husband were there and they
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: were saying, well, in a few months were going to
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: be bankrupt, and he said, and very matter of factly,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: she says, well, I didn't think about it. I voted
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: for Donald Trump. I knew that he was going to
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: do something about immigrants, but I just didn't put it
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: in through my own mind that he was going to
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: get rid of my immigrants, the people who work on
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: my farm, people who I liked, who were hard workers,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: and who I cannot replace, And this is this is
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: you know things. But as a certain point enough people
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: realize that. That's why I say he will lose the
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: mid terms. His own popularity is way down. It's not
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: going to increase because he's not going to be able
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: to solve the situation in Iran, so prices will continue
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: to go up.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: This is serious.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: I don't think people will realize that. It's one thing
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: to say that I don't have jet fuel. It's another
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: thing to say that I had twenty five percent. Instead
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: of one hundred thousand bushels, I produced seventy five thousand bushels.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: And you're going to see that over a large area
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: of the world because twenty percent of all of the
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: fertilizers came from natural grit gas. That was it was
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: from the origin was from the Middle East, a lot
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: of them from Katar. So you have a situation where
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: for twenty percent of the cops, they're going to be
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: between fifteen and twenty five where they should be. And
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: for some parmers who didn't have diesel for their tractors
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: or it's too expensive. They're going to have a situation
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: where they if they didn't get their crop into the
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: ground or only got partial one, they're going to suffer
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: from there as well. So you're looking.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: At much time life.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: This is a spring planting season right now, we don't
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: really have much time left.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: So you could be looking at a food shock. There
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: would be somewhere between five and seven percent of the
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: world's food. Well say, oh, well, that's not too much,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: five to seven percent, except who's going to suffer? And
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: when you have food prices rising, you're going to have
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: political change. People always blame the incumbent government, whether they
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: did it or not, it doesn't matter issues. I'm unhappy.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not voting for you. I'm voting for the simpleton
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: who's claiming he can he or she can solve everything
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: with the wave of their magic wand and make everything good.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: And that's that's not going to happen. So you're going
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: to have further disappointment. And this this is the kind
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: of stuff. I mean, look at Argentina. Argentina today under Melee,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, yes, yeah, he's He's solved inflation
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: by killing the economy. I don't know if that's that's
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: where he wanted. Over fifty percent of the population is
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: now below the poverty line. They had problems. I don't
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: think that he created a solution. Creating a greater a
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: greater problem to solve one problem. That's not success. But
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: these are the types of things that are going to happen.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: You're going to see country's fault. That means greater political instability,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: and that's going to make things worse. Countries can't plan
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: long term when they're constantly having changes in the government
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: from not mainstream parties but fringe parties left and right,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: each promising, you know, a nirvana, we can do it,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: we can do the Golden Age for you. Can they
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: deliver it? No, because you can change governments, but you
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: don't change the problems. You're not going to change the harvest, right,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: You're not going to change the price of gasoline or
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: jet fuel or anything like that. So we're looking at
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: substantial problems right now. The markets. The people who are
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: other are trying say, well, there's no point panicking anybody.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: You know, that wouldn't be good for anybody, right right,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, you know, anybody that would be us. Okay,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: we're not self interest, we're looking out for the greater
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: interests as they say. But you know my well, my
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: bonus to be big because there might not be economy
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: next year. Uh and this, you know, they're they're selling
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: people a lot of soft So this is a very
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: very dangerous situation. They keep saying, well, maybe it will
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: result in a recession. Well, it will result, that's not
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: the issue. The issue is does a recession turn into
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: a depression. I mean, this is where people have to
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: really start gauging this. And I'm not saying be a
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: prepper and get ready to you know, for armageddon to
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: go out or things like that. I'm just saying that
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: it's it's probably time. And this goes to your richeal plants.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: What is the soution.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: It's probably time for the nations of the world to
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: come together and to solve this problem. And the only
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: way that you can one you say that the Middle
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: East is going to be denuclearized, which means that Israel
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: has to get up there one hundred and twenty or
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: one hundred and nineteen nuclear weapons. The United States has
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: to pay reparations for the legal activity that they did
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: just recently. In terms of these attacks, it's going to
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: be far less expensive. The amount of damage they did
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: was fifty billion dollars. They've already spent sixty billion dollars
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: on the war, right we every day it's a bill
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: billion and a half. It actually be cheaper to pay
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: reparations or call it something else, but in essence, pay
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: for the damage that we did. Stop the international tariffs
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: and everybody, which is basically just a cynical attempt to
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: pit countries against each other for our benefit, kind of
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: hunger game scenario. And then the last part is to
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: tell Iran that they cannot they cannot blockade the Straits
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: moves for their own benefit. Once they have been you know,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: it's agreed that they will get reparations. They have to
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: take the pledge to nuclearized as are the rest of
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: the region and agree that there shall be peaceful trade
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: amongst them. I think this is what it was good
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: for the people. Now, how do you get that done?
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: You have to have bricks, you have to have the EU.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: You don't have to have but I mean the great
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: ter number of countries that come together, Africa, South America, Asian,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: Central Asia, bricks as I said India, Russia, China, obviously
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: South Africa, but plus all the rest of them there
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: and then Central Asia. They come together. You're talking about
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: ninety five percent of the world. And they don't threaten
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: that we're going to go beat you up or invade you.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: There's no point. It wouldn't work anyways, will be the point.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: You're just creating more wars. But you say, economically together,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: we will cut you off if you violate these terms,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: and in essence, your economy will die out within a
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: matter of weeks, not months. Weeks. So Donald Trump is
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: somebody who's particularly attuned to bullies being one, and he
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: only respects somebody who's bigger than him. Ninety five percent
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: of the world comes up and said it's over. This
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: is what's going to happen. He'll make something up and
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: you know say, oh, this was my plan from the
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: very beginning. This is how I'm getting world peace, and
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: I wanted it.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: I want the Nobel.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: Peace Prize to note that this was my sixth dimensional
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: underwater chess move from the very beginning, and now I've
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: solved the world's peace. Give me that Peace Prize. I
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: don't care if they give it to it or not
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: they would meet anything anymore. But I think I think
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: that if that, if that's the cost of World peace
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: giving him the Peace Prize, sure, I'm all in favor
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: of it, okay, But whatever it takes to bring that
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: to fruition, I do think that the fly in the
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: ointment is would obviously be Israel and giving up their
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: nuclear weapons and then having to admit that they cannot
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: make war with everyone who doesn't, you know, go along
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: with what they want. That would be the other things.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: But they would get in return guarantees by regional countries,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: also by other Middle countries. And we're just talking about
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: literally Iran and Turkey and China and the bricks, all
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: the countries cristesses we will be the guaranteur. And our
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: guaranteur is not nuclear weapons, it's economy. We will strike
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: where you cannot respond effectively. And if that's the case,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: I think Iran would be very happy. They have got
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: what they wanted, which is a sovereignty, the ability to
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: go forward with the whey it is. This would be
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: in many respects a repeat of the Westphalian Treaty. This
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: is a treaty that happened at the end of the
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  Speaker 3: one hundred Years War, which was a war between Protestants
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  Speaker 3: and Catholics who would routinely take rating parties, go into
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  Speaker 3: cities and villages, burn them down, kill everybody in them
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  Speaker 3: because they were the wrong religion, all them in the
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  Speaker 3: name of God. And they, you know, if one side
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  Speaker 3: did it, the other side would do it and tit
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  Speaker 3: for tat. They got literally to the point where they're
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  Speaker 3: so bankrupt and they're so tired of killing that they
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  Speaker 3: sat in villages five miles apart and sent some guy
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  Speaker 3: and boots walk across some muddy, muddy roads five miles
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  Speaker 3: back and forth, delivering messages. And when are they agreed to?
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  Speaker 3: You be you, I'll be me. Here are the here
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  Speaker 3: are the you know, these are demarcations of our borders.
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  Speaker 3: On my side of the border, I'll do what I want.
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  Speaker 3: Your side of the border, you do what you want.
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  Speaker 3: We can trade, we don't have to fight. And that
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  Speaker 3: actually ushered in the that simple idea that you be
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  Speaker 3: you and I'll be me ushered in the longest period
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  Speaker 3: of modern peace and that the world has.
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  Speaker 4: And unfortunately we need to get back to that. We
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  Speaker 4: need to.
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  Speaker 3: Realize that countries have their own complexities. They're a mosaic
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  Speaker 3: of histories, culturest languages, and people, and they have to
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  Speaker 3: respect it as such. Trying to slice them up into
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  Speaker 3: more pieces is not going to create more piece unfortunately.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, you kind of have to say, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: we are what we are. Let's figure out how we
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  Speaker 3: can govern ourselves, how we can be relevant, how we
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  Speaker 3: can establish and you know, a path of development, how
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  Speaker 3: we can be secure, we be respected, and then finally,
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  Speaker 3: when there are problems, how do we get together and
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  Speaker 3: figure it out without throwing bombs and missiles at each other?
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  Speaker 3: Is there a better way? And I think there is now. Coincidentally,
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  Speaker 3: this is what Shooting Ping has been saying for these
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  Speaker 3: many many years. He's been rolling out these initiatives about security, development, respect, sovereignity,
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  Speaker 3: and then also this global governance initiative, and that is
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  Speaker 3: something that I think is I mean, it's very simple, right,
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  Speaker 3: but it's vision. It's a it's a return to the
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  Speaker 3: idea that there's not one cookie cutter that rules the world.
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  Speaker 3: We have very complex relations. We have to make allowances
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  Speaker 3: for each other, and we have to respect each other.
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  Speaker 3: Once you do that, she was there's so many opportunities
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  Speaker 3: out there, so let's hope that happens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, I mean, I really do hope this thing
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  Speaker 1: gets wrapped up soon, because, as you say, right now
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  Speaker 1: it's the planting season and farmers don't get their crops there,
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  Speaker 1: We're going to have food shortages at you know, at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the year, and we can't the world
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  Speaker 1: cannot wait until November for a reset because by November
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  Speaker 1: it will be too late. By November it will already
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  Speaker 1: be food shortages.
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  Speaker 3: So November you're starting to hit the the winter crop
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  Speaker 3: season and the crop season in the south. There's nothing
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  Speaker 3: waits for piece planting. The seasons go on despite what
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  Speaker 3: we do. Yeah, so it gets worsonal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's let's hope, let's hope. Let's let's end
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  Speaker 2: up podcast on a hopeful note. And I are for
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  Speaker 2: people who want to reach you. For people want to
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  Speaker 2: reach you, follow you, where would they go?
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  Speaker 3: Asian narratives the sub stack. So I do a little
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  Speaker 3: writing on there for maybe a couple of posts a week. Really,
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  Speaker 3: it's pretty much a lot of stuff that we talk about.
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  Speaker 3: Because it's imprint form. I try to make a little
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  Speaker 3: bit mo organized. My latest piece was just going through
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  Speaker 3: how I mean any one of the scandals that Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump has would have sunk any other president previously. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the Watergate break in, you know, think about it. It
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  Speaker 3: was just some stupid guys who broke into the Democratic Party. Yes, crime,
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  Speaker 3: but we changed governments and it had a marked effect
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  Speaker 3: on the future of America. But we have Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, my goodness. You know, the list goes on
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  Speaker 3: and on and any one of them, but he's been
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  Speaker 3: a master diversion. I think the only way to combat
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  Speaker 3: that is not to listen to his daily diatribes, as
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  Speaker 3: I call him, his black cats and white rabbits that
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: he released throws a dead cat on the table. Of course,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: everyone looks at the dead cat, right, he says, And
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  Speaker 3: then he throws about, you know, twenty bunnies who start walking,
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  Speaker 3: you know, hopping around the room. What are the press do.
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  Speaker 3: There's a bunny. Oh look there's a bunny. Okay, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: there's lots of bunnies. What do they miss? I missed
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  Speaker 3: the long term, the fact that we don't have a
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  Speaker 3: healthcare system from a guy who said eighteen years ago
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  Speaker 3: and said every campaign that he went to that he
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: had a better healthcare program. And it was only two
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  Speaker 3: weeks away and then just shortly before he was elected.
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  Speaker 3: He says it's a framework of concepts, and since he's
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: been elected, and he's been elected twice, he is accomplished
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  Speaker 3: absolutely zero. He'll talk about lessening the cost of certain medicines.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: That is not a comprehensive health care, but things he's
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: actually gone the other way. It's now much more expensive
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: for Americans to have health care. He's basically tilted in
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  Speaker 3: favor of guess who, hospitals, insurance companies. They're the ones
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: who are benefiting, mostly the insurance companies. So I say
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  Speaker 3: it's I hope the press will stop following his leads,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: his pronouncements and start looking at what policies are working
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  Speaker 3: or not working, and then hold him accountable. Ask him questions,
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  Speaker 3: not about you know, whether he's a rapist. We know
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  Speaker 3: he's a rapist. He's been convicted or that or not
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  Speaker 3: convicted for he was convicted of slandering somebody because he
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  Speaker 3: said he wasn't a rapist or something that you only
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  Speaker 3: law right and that that's that's the kind of thing
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  Speaker 3: that we have to do. Start looking at his policies.
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  Speaker 3: Make your own decision. If you think he's doing great, fine, fine,
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  Speaker 3: voote for him. But if you think that he promised
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  Speaker 3: one thing, a golden age, the end to corruption, you know,
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  Speaker 3: lower prices, no forever wars, okay, and he hasn't delivered.
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  Speaker 3: That's another thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well thanks everyone following, feel bad and talk too much?
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  Speaker 2: Everyone everyone follow follow r.
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  Speaker 1: You know, every time talk to you, I'm getting enjoys.
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  Speaker 3: I enjoy our conversations much more than I do writing
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  Speaker 3: those articles.
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  Speaker 2: That's good to hear. That's good to hear.
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  Speaker 3: That's good to you for for you know, creating a
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  Speaker 3: platform that talks about the issues and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, we can we can have a few
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  Speaker 3: laughs and things like that, but we know it's pretty serious.
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  Speaker 3: And I really appreciate you, you know, willingness to platform
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  Speaker 3: people like myself and others who are talking about these issues.
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  Speaker 3: And and you know, the fact is you're one of
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  Speaker 3: the few people I know says you know, somebody asked
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  Speaker 3: me something. He said, we should talk about the good
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: stuff and what are the solutions, And that's what we did, right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, too often you run into these these podcasts
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  Speaker 3: and it's just I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right.
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  Speaker 3: Just tell me I'm right. Okay, you're right. You hold
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  Speaker 3: out the possibility that we can learn and that we
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: can be better, and I think that's well.
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  Speaker 1: I yeah, I like i'd like to, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: get people think positively. I mean, because we we live
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  Speaker 1: in dark times, I mean, unfortunately, and I like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a glass half full type of guys, so I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to always look for the silver lining. So thank you,
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  Speaker 1: thank you very much for that, for that, all right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: very and uh well we'll have in our back everybody,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, he's such a wealth of now.
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  Speaker 3: Threaten you shouldn't threaten your listeners. Oh my, I mean
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  Speaker 3: you probably lost half your channel just there. Oh god,
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  Speaker 3: I barely put up with this guy. Now he threatened
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  Speaker 3: people having him back.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, well and not bad. Thanks to everyone for listening.
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  Speaker 2: You next time. Bye bye,