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Hour Two | Dr. Etheredge, Kamario Taylor’s Injury & Gayle Benson’s Saints Comments · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 1: With Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Where the plays get broken down and science gets denied. Dude,
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  Speaker 3: they said I gotta come off the bench. Hour two
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  Speaker 3: of Off the Bench, live from the Raising Cane Studio.
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  Speaker 4: All right, we're back in OTB hour number two here
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  Speaker 4: live from the Raising Cane studio.
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  Speaker 3: Got Dr. Steven Etheridge as he joins us every single
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  Speaker 3: Wednesday at 8 a.m. Doc, how we doing? How we living?
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  Speaker 3: Not the best weekend, but we're recovering. We're getting there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, your hoodie looks great. I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: A little casual today, you know? Doesn't that tiger have
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  Speaker 2: a name?
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  Speaker 3: Sailor Mike? I can't see it. Yeah, Sailor Mike. Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Sailor Mike.
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  Speaker 2: What do we call him?
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  Speaker 5: Sailor Mike?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I like it.
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds right to me.
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  Speaker 6: Y'all made me feel like I.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: You're good. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: Sailor Mike. That's it.
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  Speaker 3: I like it. That's it. Matt didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: He don't know. I just want to ask the question.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know either, so that... You don't know, Paul.
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  Speaker 3: No such thing as a stupid question.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is real dumb.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, true. All right, Doc, did not go well, as
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  Speaker 3: you said. I mean, you had a rough one. Friday night,
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  Speaker 3: Florida State gets hammered by Louisville. It started off good,
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  Speaker 3: you know. It started in. Driving, almost had a chance
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  Speaker 3: to go up 21. It started well. They did not.
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  Speaker 3: It was good until it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was good until it wasn't. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Saturday happened. Unfortunately, LSU loses in overtime 35-34. A game
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  Speaker 3: in which had a lot of swings. Felt like, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: well– Kentucky's, and then here comes LSU, and here comes Kentucky.
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  Speaker 3: Then LSU looked like they were about to close it out,
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  Speaker 3: and they didn't. Kentucky wins.
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  Speaker 7: I might not go back to Lexington for a while. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: my last two Lexington trips. My last three. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 7: went there three times ago. But the last two, Lexington,
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  Speaker 7: we were just talking about, lovely city, wonderful place. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: it wasn't a good time either time for me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel like I saw you as much, though. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: when it was busy. So I was happy to see that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a little action, but nothing too crazy. That's always good.
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  Speaker 2: A little action, okay. All right.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I was happy not to see it. But, okay,
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  Speaker 8: there is some big implications this week for the next game.
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  Speaker 8: We've got to look ahead a little bit, right? Some
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  Speaker 8: big implications from the opponent, Mississippi State. They're dealing with
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  Speaker 8: some different injuries. We don't even know exactly the extent
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  Speaker 8: of them, what they are. I think injury report is
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  Speaker 8: going to come out later today. but their quarterback might
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  Speaker 8: be dealing rumors swirling about what we like.
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  Speaker 2: We called death toe. That's around here. We call it
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  Speaker 2: a turf toe, a little too cute of a name.
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  Speaker 8: Now we went into detail about that last week, but
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  Speaker 8: let's just talk about from the quarterback position. I'm assuming
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  Speaker 8: different injuries. You're going to look at them differently as
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  Speaker 8: a doctor based on the position you play. So quarterback
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  Speaker 8: might be able to play with something that a receiver
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  Speaker 8: can or alignment can or something like that. So, When
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  Speaker 8: you look at something, an injury, let's just say, let's
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  Speaker 8: talk about turf toe again, or death toe, as we
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  Speaker 8: call it, and you're a quarterback, can you use this
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  Speaker 8: something that you might be able to play through a
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  Speaker 8: little bit more than somebody that's moving full speed every
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  Speaker 8: single play and cutting?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think probably.
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  Speaker 7: With this injury, we talked about it, the big toe,
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  Speaker 7: and you have this ligament kind of complex on the
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  Speaker 7: bottom of the toe, this kind of planter plate. And
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  Speaker 7: in severe cases, you can pull it completely from basically
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  Speaker 7: the foot off of the toe. That's kind of the
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  Speaker 7: most extreme version. And then, you know, it goes all
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  Speaker 7: by severity. Your grades, you know, one, two, three, the
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  Speaker 7: things we talk about a lot with a lot of injuries. And, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: if you're not having to run as much, you know,
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  Speaker 7: if you're maybe not a defensive back where you're up
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  Speaker 7: on your toes all the times, you probably have a
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  Speaker 7: little bit more ability to play with that injury. But
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  Speaker 7: there's always going to be a point. Because, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: a quarterback, you know, you've got to still plant off
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  Speaker 7: your foot. You're going to have to kind of cut.
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  Speaker 7: You're going to have to move around the pocket. You're
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  Speaker 7: going to have to. you know, part of his game
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  Speaker 7: is his athletic ability. And you're, you're taking that part
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  Speaker 7: away potentially if it's bad enough.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know, you can, you can tape it up.
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  Speaker 7: You can put a little, you know, insole that gives
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  Speaker 7: a little bit more rigidity to the, to the bottom
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  Speaker 7: of the foot and things like that that can help.
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  Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, you know, there's
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  Speaker 3: only so much you can do.
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  Speaker 7: And even though it's just a toe, as we kind
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  Speaker 7: of have joked for it, like you got to plan
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  Speaker 7: off that, that's where a lot of your power, your
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  Speaker 7: force and all that comes from. And, So, I think it's,
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  Speaker 7: and I think I was listening earlier, you were talking
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  Speaker 7: about his footwork. Well, a big part of your game,
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  Speaker 7: you have great footwork, but your foot's not working.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there could be a problem there, so.
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  Speaker 9: Huh.
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  Speaker 8: And to recap, kind of last week, again, talking about
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  Speaker 8: the turf tote, there's no, like, specific time. So, they're
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  Speaker 8: coming off, you know, a little bit of rest here
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  Speaker 8: for him, but. You know, so it's kind of like
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  Speaker 8: a hamstring, right? It can be two weeks. It can
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  Speaker 8: be two months. It just like kind of depends on
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  Speaker 8: the individual and the healing process and how the severity
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  Speaker 8: of it, which we obviously, we're not going to know
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  Speaker 8: the severity of it, but you'll have kind of an
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  Speaker 8: idea based on if he's out, how long is he out?
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  Speaker 8: You'll kind of have that. You'll have a little bit
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  Speaker 8: more knowledge about the severity of that turf too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I think especially when we have the benefit of hindsight,
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  Speaker 7: you know, we don't know if he's going to play
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  Speaker 7: this week. If he's not even able, if we see
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  Speaker 7: him on the sideline, he's still in a boot and
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  Speaker 7: he's still limping around. That's a lot different than if
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  Speaker 7: he's out there in warm-ups and able to move around
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  Speaker 7: pretty good. We probably aren't going to really know for
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  Speaker 7: sure until Saturday. The injury reports come out, and there's
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  Speaker 7: a little gamesmanship there. Guys can get better in a
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  Speaker 7: few days.
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  Speaker 8: Or.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see. That's an injury that it feels like I've
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  Speaker 3: seen 10 people have it in 10 different return times
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  Speaker 3: on that one. It's a little bit like the one
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  Speaker 3: that I wanted to ask you about in Jordan Tyson
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  Speaker 3: for the New Orleans Saints because We're heading into week
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  Speaker 3: six of the NFL season, and he's been out, I
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  Speaker 3: think it was about two weeks left in training camp
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  Speaker 3: because it was the day that we went, and I
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  Speaker 3: think that was middle of August. Hurts his hamstring, and
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  Speaker 3: here we are week number six, and Kayla Moore said
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  Speaker 3: on Monday that Tyson is progressing well but isn't on
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  Speaker 3: track to return to practice this week. So we're talking
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  Speaker 3: now week seven. Again, I was not explosive enough to
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  Speaker 3: hurt my hamstring in this way, But it must have
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  Speaker 3: been pretty bad to go into, we're talking about close
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  Speaker 3: now to 10 weeks of not being able to go
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  Speaker 3: out there and perform.
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  Speaker 2: 10 weeks, for real?
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  Speaker 3: Well, because think about it. You're going into week seven
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  Speaker 3: of the NFL. It happened about August 16th, 17th.
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  Speaker 7: And, yeah, hamstrings, there's a lot of variability there as well.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, that's a long time for a hamstring. You're
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  Speaker 7: going to see most guys coming back sooner. I would
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  Speaker 7: have to assume probably at least what we'd say a
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  Speaker 7: high-end grade, too. And then, again, some of it, again,
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  Speaker 7: goes back to the question earlier, what position is the guy?
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  Speaker 7: How much is he going to be running? How explosive
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  Speaker 7: is he? You know, if he's that super fast guy
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  Speaker 7: like he is, you know, he's going to put more
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  Speaker 7: stress on it than other guys might.
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  Speaker 3: He's got a history of having had previous hamstring issues.
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  Speaker 7: So, I mean, that plays into it as well, how
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  Speaker 7: much scarring and other previous injuries could have something to
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  Speaker 7: do with it. And then, you know, look, you know,
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  Speaker 7: he's a first-round draft pick. I'm sure there's a level
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  Speaker 7: of being extra cautious. You don't want to lose this
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  Speaker 7: guy before he's ever had a.
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  Speaker 3: Chance to play.
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  Speaker 7: And, look, hamstrings in New Orleans in the past several
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  Speaker 7: years have not been good bedfellows.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a hamstring end a career?
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  Speaker 3: I've seen it, at the very least, change a career.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I can think of at least one or
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  Speaker 7: two guys that maybe never quite came back.
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  Speaker 3: Now, these were on the extreme end.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and I didn't ask that question following just, like,
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  Speaker 8: Jordan Tice. I asked it based on a response, like,
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  Speaker 8: your response about, like, you want to be careful with
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  Speaker 8: a kid, like, obviously he's young. That's, that's not a
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  Speaker 8: question based on him. I'm just at a certain point
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  Speaker 8: as you get older and you've had these issues, have
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  Speaker 8: you ever seen one just like rip so bad?
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  Speaker 7: It was like, yeah, that's kind of, I mean, I've seen,
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  Speaker 7: I've seen a couple of pretty bad ones. And, and
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  Speaker 7: like I said, at the, if it's one year, if
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  Speaker 7: you're going to have surgery or a parrot, if it's
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  Speaker 7: that bad and they are, there are that the ones
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  Speaker 7: that get that severity with any surgery, it's not a
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  Speaker 7: hundred percent guarantee. You're going to come back to your
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  Speaker 7: previous level of, of performance. And so in that scenario,
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  Speaker 7: you know, if you get to that level, at the
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  Speaker 7: very least, it.
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  Speaker 3: Might make him a little less explosive.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe he's still a good receiver, but the potential to
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  Speaker 7: be great maybe just went out the door.
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  Speaker 8: What would surgery to repair a hamstring, like what does
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  Speaker 8: that look like? What do you tie to what?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so most of the ones we're repairing are going
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  Speaker 7: to be the ones when they, not so much the mid-substance.
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  Speaker 3: So if you tear the muscle, those are pretty much
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  Speaker 3: injuries we've got to let heal. They do their best.
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  Speaker 2: They scar.
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  Speaker 3: And sometimes there's even some permanent defects.
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  Speaker 7: But those people still typically do okay with. the closer
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  Speaker 7: you get to the ends of the hamstring, so the
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  Speaker 7: origin and the insertion, so kind of right there at
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  Speaker 7: the lower buttock or down at the knee. Those are
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  Speaker 7: when you have a surgery. A lot of times they're reattached.
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  Speaker 3: To the bone if it pulls off the bone, basically.
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  Speaker 7: So those are the ones that on the extreme end
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  Speaker 7: you're going to typically be doing surgery for.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, because the Saints right now, they're dealing with
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  Speaker 3: Travis Achan's got a hamstring, Jordan Tyson's got a hamstring.
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  Speaker 3: It has certainly been an issue for the New Orleans Saints.
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  Speaker 3: And then we talked about it with, kelvin banks i
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  Speaker 3: believe he had the tightrope procedure which is kind of
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  Speaker 3: coming back in vogue a little bit yeah it feels
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  Speaker 3: like it feels like that one kind of goes in
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  Speaker 3: waves a little bit yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And i think you know i don't think it's one
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  Speaker 7: that we've ever really gone away from once we started
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  Speaker 7: doing them as much as i think it just seems
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  Speaker 7: like there are times when there are more of those
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  Speaker 7: injuries i feel like it's more that um because it's
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  Speaker 7: like we've had guys and the funny thing is you
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  Speaker 7: know the one everybody talks about is way back with
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  Speaker 7: two and stuff but it was a procedure that that
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  Speaker 7: we had done prior to that and that other people
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  Speaker 7: had done.
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  Speaker 3: It just, it does feel like that was like the
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  Speaker 3: first time it's ever been.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: It kind of came across that way, but it was,
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  Speaker 7: you know, it was starting quarterback, Alabama, you know, Nashville,
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  Speaker 7: a lot of things so in that that moment it
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  Speaker 7: was very in in in the spotlight and then yeah
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  Speaker 7: you had this guy had surgeries coming back and playing
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  Speaker 7: a few weeks later it's kind of crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Oh doc how do we feel about 11 a.m kickoff
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  Speaker 3: in tiger stadium.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I have mixed feelings, you know, you'd be
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  Speaker 7: done as a professional who works every game for the past.
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  Speaker 7: I'm kind of excited, you know, uh, two weeks in
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  Speaker 7: a row, actually we get 11 o'clock kicks and especially
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  Speaker 7: road games.
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  Speaker 3: Give me the 11 o'clock all day.
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  Speaker 7: I know, I know the home game 11 o'clock is
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  Speaker 7: not a popular sentiment around, uh, Tiger stadium. I'm not
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  Speaker 7: upset about it, but, uh, I'm hoping that everybody gets there,
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  Speaker 7: you know, for, for all our fans, you know, I
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  Speaker 7: don't know if you do like a Bayou brunch or something,
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  Speaker 7: get y'all out there early, get your mimosas, get your
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  Speaker 7: bloody Mary's get, get rolling. But, uh, I hope everybody
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  Speaker 7: gets there. That's the only thing I worry about.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know what time. I'm doing the broadcast.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, the hell time am I supposed to be there?
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  Speaker 2: What time am I going to wake up?
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  Speaker 3: I'm so used to night games. I'm like, I know.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to be in the booth about 6.15
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  Speaker 3: to 6.20, depending on the slide. That's when I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to start and give the starting lineups and everything. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: the hell, I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I usually come in five or six hours before the
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  Speaker 7: kickoff for treatments. I don't see them wanting me showing
• 11:13
  Speaker 7: up at the stadium at 5 a.m.
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  Speaker 3: I don't see that one happening. I'm hoping not. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's always going to be a little different schedule.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to go to sleep when Alondra
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  Speaker 2: goes to sleep.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: When the sun goes down.
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  Speaker 3: When the sun goes down.
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  Speaker 8: Doc, I don't know if you've seen this, but a
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  Speaker 8: lot of people's power rankings in the NFL, San Francisco
• 11:35
  Speaker 8: 49ers are number one on that list. Is this a
• 11:39
  Speaker 8: situation where the electrical substation, although it took a couple
• 11:43
  Speaker 8: of years, it broke their bodies down, it might have
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  Speaker 8: built them up to superhuman strength?
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  Speaker 7: I feel like you look at a lot of these
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  Speaker 7: backstories on a lot of superheroes, there's something weird that happened.
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  Speaker 2: There is weird, right.
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  Speaker 3: And sometimes it does break them down.
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  Speaker 2: I think even Peter Parker got sick, right?
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  Speaker 3: He got really sick with the spider, and then all
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  Speaker 3: of a sudden here he is, Spider-Man.
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  Speaker 8: Is there anything that you studied in medical school or
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  Speaker 8: seen in the medical that would prove that otherwise?
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  Speaker 2: That could 100% say no.
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  Speaker 3: I do not have anything that is 100%.
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  Speaker 2: There's a chance. There's a chance. Maybe that's something the
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  Speaker 2: Saints will have in a couple years.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe we need to just go and do it.
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  Speaker 8: Maybe we're in the time right now where they're getting injuries,
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  Speaker 8: but in a couple years they'll be super human strength.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I think also before we let Doc go,
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  Speaker 3: I want to start a weekly question on his way out.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. All right.
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  Speaker 3: Will Mike Norvell be the coach of Florida State next week? Oof.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we have the money.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I think, you know, the reality of it is,
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  Speaker 7: I think, yeah, I think he'll.
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  Speaker 2: Probably be there.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I just. That was a sad day.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I know that I think the only way
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  Speaker 7: you maybe, The habit is if they all just bring
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  Speaker 7: Jimbo in and don't pay him, which I know has
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  Speaker 7: been discussed. That's probably your only option right now. I'd
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  Speaker 7: do it for free.
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  Speaker 3: I'd do it right now. I think that's the only
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  Speaker 3: way it happens. Jimbo does live in Tallahassee. He does
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  Speaker 3: live there.
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  Speaker 7: I think he's trying to get back in the good graces.
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  Speaker 7: There's been some attempts there. And, look, that might be
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  Speaker 7: a good way for him to earn a little love.
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  Speaker 2: You know what?
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  Speaker 8: Her fan base saying, we want to fire him, but
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  Speaker 8: we can't afford it. That's a recipe for a really
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  Speaker 8: good atmosphere.
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  Speaker 2: In that home stadium. That's a really good recipe. Place
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  Speaker 2: is going to be electric.
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  Speaker 7: I got a lot of people that are just not
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  Speaker 7: very happy in my chats.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get on. Doc, we appreciate it, sir. Thanks for
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: hopping on with us. Always a pleasure.
• 13:38
  Speaker 8: Again, I don't want to see you. I don't want
• 13:41
  Speaker 8: to see you this weekend. I appreciate you coming in here.
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  Speaker 8: I love seeing you every single week. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 8: Don't want to see you this weekend, though.
• 13:46
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  Speaker 3: Come on. I don't know about y'all, but I know
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  Speaker 9: And it's the only way we know how to rock.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about y'all, but I know about us.
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  Speaker 9: And it's the only way we know how to rock.
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  Speaker 9: Do you remember, girl? I was the one who gave
• 15:30
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• 15:34
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  Speaker 1: Even before.
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  Speaker 9: Welcome back to Off the Bench. Wednesday's show is brought
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  Speaker 2: many times.
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  Speaker 3: I get you.
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  Speaker 1: You're done with it.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: I'm done with it.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: I got it. She's on fire. Crushing it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: She's crushing it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Hopefully not literally. That'd be bad. Yeah, it'd be like
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: the 1600s.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: All right, so Saints owner. What? Gail Benson had a
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: couple things to say. And I'm going to have like
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a Cliff Notes version here. Called
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: out the Saints for their 1-4 start. Called it unacceptable.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Saying the team has fallen short of what its fans deserve.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: She spread the accountability across the entire organization, Kellen Moore
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: and the coaches, Mickey Loomis in the front office, the players,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: and herself as the owner. Benson said she is prepared
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: to make whatever decisions are necessary, putting Moore and Loomis
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: publicly on notice without announcing any immediate changes. She was
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: especially disappointed with By the 45-24 loss to Atlanta during
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: the 20th anniversary celebration of the Saints' emotional return to
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina, the Saints have lost three
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: straight games, are 7-15 under Kellen Moore, and haven't reached
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: the playoffs since 2020. Benson's message was simple. Words won't
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: regain the fans' confidence. Winning and improved football and performance will.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Tired of talking? wants to see it actually on the field.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: And this is an owner calling out everybody. And, look,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Mickey Loomis is as protected as any general manager will be.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: We've talked about it. We know that. He's heavily involved
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: in that organization. But this does, like, and if you
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: heard the comments, like, this feels like an owner that
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: is very frustrated, that went out and spent a lot
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: of money on free agents and a lot of moves
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: this offseason to be better, The moves that you made
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: is actually the thing that you do the worst, running
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: the football. You have a draft class that none of
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: them are contributing to your football team currently. Not saying
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: they can't, not saying they won't, but right now they're not,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: and it has to be frustrating. You're paying a whole
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: draft class that's not doing anything. I don't know. We
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: don't get comments from owners very often.
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: This is, to me, I heard that these comments were made,
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: and then I saw them, And to me, this feels
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: like it's a rebuttal by her because they finally had
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: a big game on primetime and in a big situation.
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: an emotional situation for the entire city and they embarrass
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: themselves i think that if that game doesn't happen if
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: that was just a their normal noon time slot i
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: don't know if these comments are made like this at
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: least but your team that you've dumped all this money
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: into had the support, and that city was about to explode, right?
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: They were ready, right there on the edge of their seats.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: They wanted it so bad, and you didn't even put
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: up a fight, it felt like. And on top of that,
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: your team didn't put up a fight, and your coach
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: won't even tell you anything about it, like why.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: It happened or what's the positive outlook.
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: So there's had to been so much just public like blowback.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: After that game.
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: That was embarrassing for the owner. So it's like, it's
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: one of those, sometimes it takes that, that jolt to
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: you to wake you up. Sometimes it takes something so
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: bad to happen that it finally kicks you in the
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: ass and it says, all right, okay, I got, I've been,
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: I've gotten these, it's been bad for a while, but
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: this was so bad and embarrassing that, I got to
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: wake everybody up.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: I got to threaten or I got to make changes.
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: So is this, is she just giving words? Like she
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: just said, talk. Isn't going to be good enough. It's
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: not going to draw the people. It's not going to
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: make the better football. Well, well, it's also going to
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: be on her.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Her talk.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Can't do it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: Like she's got to, she's got to be about that life.
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: If she's going to be about that life, she's got
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: to be about it. So we will see if it
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: doesn't get better. Our real changes made. Mickey Lewis has
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: been there a long time. and I'd never want to
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: call for, like, anybody's. But, like, you have to perform.
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: You can't have that many first-rounders on the offensive line,
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: and you have the worst offensive line. Like, you can't, like,
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: have all these picks and nobody's playing. Like, it's just
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: year after year after year after year.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Your coach has to be better.
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: But, again, like, it's the– sometimes you got to go
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: to the top. You got to go to the decision-makers, right?
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Who hired him.
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: Your coach has to tell you something. If I'm Gale,
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: I'm calling him in. You have to talk. I know
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: it's not your thing. You got to tell the people something.
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: You got to give them something of substance. Give them
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: something to hold on to. Instead of saying, gee whiz,
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: I don't know. Gee whiz, we're trying our hardest. We
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: got to get better. We know you got to get better.
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: We saw it. You got to get a lot better.
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: You don't have to tell me you got to get better.
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: Because I saw.
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: How not very good you are. I'm glad you agree
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: that you got to get better, but we know because
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: you stink. Objectively, you stink.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: You nailed it on the primetime thing. Like, you've been
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: so bad for so long that you never play on primetime, Gale.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: You're embarrassed now because you lost on prom time? Yeah,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: you're never there. Why is this the breaking point, right?
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Did this Allen suck for three years? He complained because
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: you gave Jamal Williams a touchdown and he thought you
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: were running up the score. You've been soft for a
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: number of years. This is the breaking point? I'll tell
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: you right now, I don't believe her. Outside of getting
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: rid of Mickey Loomis, it's not going to change and
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think she's going to do it. I do
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: not believe her.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: ESPN spent 24 hours Nearly.
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: At least 12 hours the entire day showing documentaries of
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: Katrina and people having to live in the Subaru and
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: it being rebuilt and all the hopeful messages and literally
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: dedicated multiple ESPN channels the entire day to it. Then
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: they go out and get crushed by a, at the time,
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: what we thought was a Bad Falcons team. So, hell yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: that's embarrassing for an owner. But to Taylor's point, she's
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: got to do something.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: I mean, if she doesn't fire Mickey Loomis, then I
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: don't really care what she has to say. Because even
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: like the draft picks, we can talk about that all day.
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: The draft picks have been awful or they haven't performed
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: the way that they're supposed to perform or they're injured
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: all the time. And aside from that, the front office
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: is also... and Gail are the ones making the decisions
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: on who to hire. And first you get Dennis Allen,
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: who we know how that went. And then you had
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: Derek Carr that came in with him. And that was
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: just like the most infuriating time as a Saints fan,
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: like recency bias.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: It was so infuriating.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: And then you go to somebody that has like possibly
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: the same exact personality that Dennis Allen had. And except
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: for like, Kellen's not as arrogant as he was, I
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: don't feel, but. I just, if you're not going to
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: fire Mickey Loomis, I don't really care what you have
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: to say. And it's, like, a lot of posturing for
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: you to not make a single move.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: And Nick was talking about it yesterday. Like, if they
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: come back from Paris with a loss.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: If they lose the next two, yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and they come back from, like, Kelly Moore is
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: going to have to be left in Paris. Like, leave
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: his ass there.
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: If they don't improve, then she's going to be forced
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: to enforce her words.
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: They're going to force her hand.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: You don't want her words not to carry weight as
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: the owner. Yeah. They got to carry some weight.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: But they don't feel like they do. No. Because it's
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: been happening forever. She's like, they haven't been playing to
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: the standard. They haven't played to the standard in a
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: really long time.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they haven't been to postseason in five years.
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: And so you've just been letting that happen for all
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: those years, and now suddenly you're like, we can't let
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: that happen. Okay, you've been letting it happen. So it's
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: just right now, unless you actually do something about it
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: in the future and doing something about it means firing
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: Mickey Loomis, then I just don't really care.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: The thing, and I agree with you about like hiring
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: kind of the same guy, the same mentality, like the
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: thing that's troublesome about that, your most success has come
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: with somebody that doesn't have that mentality. Like Sean Payton's
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: not that kind of coach. And you can speak to
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: this better than any of us could. I only spent
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: a couple of camps with him. You spent a little
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: bit of a season with him. But his mentality is
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: not Dennis Allen's. It's not Kellen Moore's right now. With
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Sean Payton as your head coach, you have a winning
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: percentage of 631. Without him, this is your franchise history.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Without him, 402. Sean Payton in the playoffs, 9-8. Without him?
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: One in five. All time.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: That's pathetic. One in five.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: You have one singular. Was it Jim Hazlett, I believe?
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Of all time? Of all time. You have one playoff
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: win that does not have Sean Payton's name attached to it.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Before then. First year. So the Saints won about 63%
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: of the regular season games with Sean Payton compared to
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: only about 40% without him.
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: I've heard a lot of incredible stats and incredible things.
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: That's an incredible... That's... towards the top your organization 50
• 27:15
  Speaker 8: years old it's only one one playoff game without sean payton.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: That's pathetic that and losing the one prime time game
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: that you have when you were it was the whole
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: katrina thing and embarrassed i mean pathetic and embarrassed and
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: like it's bad Matt.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: We made a joke in the offseason. It's like, oh,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Mickey got the award for the draft class. It's like, yeah,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: because it's the outlier. It's been so bad. Like, you
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: gave up multiple picks to get Marcus Davenport. Never did
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: anything for you. Peyton Turner, is Peyton Turner still in
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the league?
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, he was during camp. I don't know that
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: he still is, though.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: But, like, everybody you've drafted, by and large, the last
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: couple years, like you were talking yesterday, Jake, about this
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: year's draft class not doing anything. And the guys you
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: drafted that did stick, you traded them to the other organizations,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: and they've done better. You got Caden Ellis back in
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the fall, but Zach Vaughn's gone. He's done a lot
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: better in other places. Any move you could make along
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the way, it's been the wrong move, but you lose
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: on Monday Night Football, and now this is the breaking point.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: We could talk about leaving Kellen Moore in Paris if
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: he loses these next two games.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: You going to leave Mickey?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Because if you don't leave Mickey, it doesn't matter.
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: You have to.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Just get another one. Yeah.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: You leave Kellen, great. You're going to hire somebody else
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the exact same way.
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: Your first-round pick that you had a top-ten pick, had
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: a lot of opportunity to take a great player, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: you did take a great player.
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: An injury.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: But the red flag.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: And that red flag immediately showed up.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: He's been out for ten weeks now.
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: Doesn't wear socks with his cleats.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: It's ridiculous.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: That is ridiculous. Looked pretty quick, though.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, those got more issues than just the Saints, too. Yeah,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Pelicans.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: What's wrong with the Pelicans?
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: I don't even want to touch that. How long you got?
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Let's get Jordan in here. Oh, God, no. Small boys. Yeah,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: we wouldn't be able to take a break for an hour.
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: I mean, you've got to be an absolute sicko to
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: know much about the Pelicans right now.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: He's sick.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Just to dive into that garbage.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Two things that upset Jordan Kitchens the most, New Orleans Pelicans,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Anthony Mackie.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Anthony tried to talk to him
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: about the Pelicans.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: What if Anthony Mackie bought the Pelicans? Oh, my God.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Jordan quit. He'd be done.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: His brain would explode.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Mickey gotta go.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: The first thing. Something has to happen. What else could happen?
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: I've been fired multiple times in the NFL. It's not fun.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I don't like calling for anybody's head specifically. This guy's
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: got to go unless it's egregious. But it's to a
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: point where certainly, like Nick said yesterday, if you lose
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: this week, you lose next week, and you're on a
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: plane from Paris, however long that flight is, back to
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: New Orleans, and somebody doesn't get fired as that plane's
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: in the air, then you have an issue. Because then
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: you're telling your fan base you're 1-6, and I really
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: don't give a damn that you're 1-6.
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: Because just think about those games singularly. You lose this one,
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: you lose it to Jameis, who was your backup, who
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: beat you in Tampa for many years. Now he's a backup.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: He did the thing Dennis Allen got soft and annoyed about.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
• 30:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: You lose to him.
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: And then if you lose the next one, you're losing
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: in Paris. And if last week embarrassed Gail, that's going
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: to embarrass her with the whole French. What, like the
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: affiliate or what? They have the ambassadorship. They have a
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: quarter on their team. They're playing in their country that
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: they're the ambassador for in the NFL.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Well, then we talk about how. That's too embarrassing.
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: Like, if it happens, of course, this is all talking
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: about the future.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: But that's why Nick was saying you got to at
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: least win one of these.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I didn't even think about that part of the Saints
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: or she's probably trying to push the Saints or the
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: team in France. Look, we've got this French heritage, you know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: symbol and we've got all these things and.
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  Speaker 1: Terrible for PR. How bad the NFC South is, right?
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  Speaker 1: And you could say, oh, well, at least you're not
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the Bucs. Bucs figured some things out defensively. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: say what you want about Dallas. It's a good offense,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: and you did a good job against them. Baker Mayfield
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  Speaker 1: comes back fully healthy. You lose that game, you're by
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: far the worst team in a bad division.
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  Speaker 6: Hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Other than that.
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  Speaker 2: Other than that, not bad.
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  Speaker 3: All right, we'll take a break. We'll continue talking a
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: little New Orleans Saints and, well, how bad it is.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Can it be fixed? Is something going to happen? Are
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: they going to win a game? Is it going to
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: be a 1-6 football team on the way back from
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Paris after you lose to the Steelers? Can they win
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: games like that? It's not a great matchup. We'll continue
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  Speaker 3: breaking it down when we come back here on OTB.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Off the Bench.
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  Speaker 3: Prediction time. At New York Giants, Pittsburgh Steelers in France.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: That sustains record.
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  Speaker 6: 0-2.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, your quarterback can't move his hand. How
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: many quarterbacks have done that well? Phillip Rivers did it
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  Speaker 8: for a little bit once, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't he? Play without a left hand?
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  Speaker 3: It was Herbert.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he did it last year.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was handing everything off with his right hand.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Even if he was going to his right, he was, like,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: turning it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and if you can't have an effective play-action game,
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: you're probably not going to win the game. Like, you
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: could get a special teams touchdown as a defensive touchdown. Like,
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  Speaker 8: if he can't do his play-action and you're not very good, like,
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: that's– you're going to have a hard time winning it.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, unless Jameis just goes out and he poos
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: down his leg, which he could, but he could also
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: throw for 400 in five touchdowns. He could throw for 500,
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: or he could throw for five. That's the type of
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: player Jameis is, and it's exciting either way. I can't
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: wait to watch him on the television with a microphone
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  Speaker 8: in front.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very good point about the play action because
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: you can't do it with the health of your quarterback
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: like right now. It feels like it would be very tough,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: so then you become one-sided. and everything is to one side,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: and that can't happen. You can't only have play action
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: to the offense's left, the defense's right. And the couple
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: of things about the play action for the Saints that's
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: not going to work, your quarterback can't have that, hey,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: I'm going to stick it in your belly, I'm going
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: to pull it out last minute, hard, heavy play action,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: then we're going to pass it. Can't do that, and
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: you also can't run the football, so nobody cares if
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: you do it. Even if you did it well, everybody's like, oh, cool,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: you want to run the ball? Great, we love that.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I was about to say, you're running games so bad,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: nobody cared about your play action anyways.
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: And the difference between, at that level of competition, that
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: level of skill in the NFL, the difference between a
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: good play and a bad play, a successful play, non-successful win,
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: is so minute.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: It is so small.
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: When you take something like that away, the difference between
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: a completion on a play action sometimes is like the
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: linebacker making a misstep or reaching.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Up like a quarter inch, like a quarter inch more,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: he would have tipped the ball. What did we talk
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: about in the LSU-Kentucky game in overtime?
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Devon Keyes is, what, four inches?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: From knocking the football down. Eight inches from pick six, like,
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: or picking it off. Like, it's just the little tiny details.
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: And when play action, you can't perform– play action. And
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: even if you do, it's more of like a little
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: flash fake or something like that can make the difference.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Now you can have success.
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: I don't think we need to go out and assume
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: Tyler Shucks is going to get you negative points and
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: fantasy again, like you did this past week. Cause that
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: defense airplane, they smelled blood. And, uh, but if you
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: can't get a running game going, which we have, like there's,
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: they're not, they haven't done or told us anything to
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: make us hopeful. Cause they don't tell you anything, the coaches.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: So why should we be hopeful that they can get
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: a running game going? Maybe they surprise us. Maybe they
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: shock us and they get some sort of running game going.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: I doubt it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: But you haven't told us anything that makes us believe
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: that you will. So for that, just for that, I'm
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: going to say you're not going to run the ball.
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: You can't play action fake because you can't run the
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: ball for one. Plus, your quarterback only has one hand.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: So what are you going to do?
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: You're going to get in five wide and drop back
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: and throw it every play?
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Good luck in the NFL.
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That will not be a recipe for success. That will
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: actually be a disaster. And, again, you spent so much
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: money to be better in that phase. You spent money
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: on a guard. You spent first-round pick after first-round pick
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: on your offensive line. You went and got a free
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: agent running back. Look, he's hurt right now, but even
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: when he was healthy, you weren't getting him the football.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: You didn't have a point of emphasis. You cut a
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: running back that was better than what you currently have
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: because you drafted that running back and you didn't want
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: to say, I messed up on this draft pick. Who
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: did that? Who makes that decision? The general manager. And
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: that's not just him. That's every GM in the NFL,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: probably in pro sports. We get that. But you can't
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: run the football.
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  Speaker 2: At all.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Not even a little bit.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: You stink.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Yes. If it wasn't for how bad the Green Bay
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Packers are at running the football... you would be the
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: worst in the NFL. At least with Green Bay. Green
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Bay's the worst by 20 yards.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: By the way. Side note, if the playoffs started today,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: they'd be in the playoffs.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I know. It's amazing. That's why on the other show
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: that I do, I'm like, hey, Green Bay, go call somebody.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Go get a running back. Go spend a fourth-round pick
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: on a running back. You're 3-2 right now.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: And at least with Green Bay, the Josh Jacobs things
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: popped up right before the season. Saints had all offseason.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: To address this. They knew he was going to get suspended.
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: But they just did it incorrectly.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: And they were stubborn. And they went and traded for
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: a third round back that hadn't really done anything. instead
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: of getting a proven guy. Still, they're finding ways to
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: still move the football. The Saints right now are 32, 31,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: 29th in rushing in the NFL. Let it be known too,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: we have tried really hard.
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: Put rose colored sunglasses on and paint this season and
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: paint this team as, as good as we can. But
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: you aren't doing any favors either. Like if you, if
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: we knew what the, maybe there's a plan in place,
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: you got to explain it to people.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: You got to tell us.
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: Your silence is deafening right now when it comes to
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: what the vision is, what the identity is, what we're
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: working towards. What's the point of this? What's the point
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: of that? Your silence is absolutely deafening. So we have
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: to assume the worst because you're not giving us anything
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: to be positive about.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: We got it. You know that mistakes were made. You know,
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: you got to get better. Everybody in the world knows that,
• 40:37
  Speaker 8: that you got to get better.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Everybody.
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: You don't have to tell us that. Tell us how
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: you're going to get better. Tell us what parts, what
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: you're working on. This isn't good enough. So we're doing this.
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: Like that's what, Good coaches and organizations do. They take accountability,
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: and they tell you why. They tell you we get it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: They tell you what's going to happen, or they threaten.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Gail started that yesterday.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: She started it. Yeah.
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: She was forced to probably because of the embarrassment on
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: Monday night. If you lose these next two games, that
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: embarrassment is going to continue. You're going to start seeing.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Grocery bags. You go 0-2?
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, the Aints grocery bags will be back. No
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: doubt about it.
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: Ain't going to be many of the people left in
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: the locker room that are the same.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: And again, you're 29th in yards per game. You're 29th
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: in yards per carry. You only have five rushing touchdowns
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: on the year. Is it shocking that they're only 29th? Hell,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: you've got three fumbles and five touchdowns. You almost have
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: more fumbles than touchdowns.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Is it shocking that they're 29th?
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: It is shocking that they're 29th because they've been so
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: bad Now, Green Bay, it's not shocking that Green Bay
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: is the worst by 20 yards because of their running
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: back room. The Texans and the Cowboys. Now, the Cowboys
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: being there is kind of shocking, too, because Javante has
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: had some big games. But I would have thought that
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: they were 31st without a doubt. Now, they're a yard
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: and a half from being 31st. Okay. I would have
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: thought that they would have been 31st. Green Bay is
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: objectively maybe going to be the worst rushing team we've
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: ever seen in the NFL. That's how bad it is
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: in Green Bay. But they're 3-2. They're finding a way.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Their coaches are finding a way to win football games
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: when they can't run it. Now, I'm in the belief
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: that you have to run it to win, but if
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: you can't, do something else. The Saints aren't doing that.
• 42:27
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Off The Bench.
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  Speaker 9: You are my son.
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  Speaker 3: You are my earth.
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  Speaker 9: You didn't know all the ways I loved you.
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  Speaker 5: No, no.
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  Speaker 3: So you took a chance. All right, welcome back in.
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  Speaker 3: I do apologize. Look, we got a little heated talking
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: about the Saints, and hell, that conversation might keep on
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: in the next hour.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Good for you, Gail.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Pat my chest, a little clock management there. But when
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: you look at the rushing stats and you look at
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: everything that that team's not doing right now, you're going
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: to go long.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what?
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  Speaker 3: I'm just going to apologize.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 8: I was going to say, you know, it remains to
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: be seen what Gail will actually do, if she's got
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: any teeth to that bark, you know what I mean? But, like,
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: how do you recover from anything? How do you get better?
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: You admit that there's a problem.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: That's the first step. So we've taken that first step, everybody.
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: See if everybody else can take the second. Excited to see, though.
• 44:58
  Speaker 8: It'll be fun. Good drama. Oh, I love the drama.
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  Speaker 2: I love some drama.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Drama mean?
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. Bro, relax, Dad.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: I was talking about for me, not for the kids.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I got a little tum-tum like you do, bud. Got
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  Speaker 3: to sit up front. Can't sit in the back. Doesn't
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: go well. And this guy knows what I'm talking about.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: All right, well, we're just going to keep talking about
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: how bad the Saints are when we come back.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, he is.
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