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- Miriam: Leslye do you not Wordle I thought it was just me. Leslye: No, I don't wordle. I don't connections. I've just heard of that one just now. Kate: the worst though. Because it's like the connections are so weird sometimes. Like I'll categorize the words according to what I think the categories are. And they're like fifty percent of the time I get it immediately and the other fifty percent I get zero of them. But Wordle is easy. Leslye: You've heard it here first. Wordle is not that hard. Wordle Miriam: Ha ha ha. Leslye: is not hard, you guys. Leslye Headland: Welcome to How Have You Not Seen This, a podcast about crimes against cinema. Leslye: Where one of the three of us confess that there's an iconic movie we have never seen, and the other two ask the obvious question, how have you not seen this? The format is simple, there's a confession, I haven't seen this movie, an interrogation, everybody else has questions, atonement, now I have to watch the movie. And absolution. The other two people decide whether or not they can still still be friends with me. My name is Leslye. Miriam: I'm Miriam. Kate: And I'm Kate. Leslye: Today we're discussing a movie that single handedly ended trench coats as a viable fashion choice. Kate, it's Time to confess. What movie have you not seen? Kate: A Matrix. Leslye: Okay. Miriam: What? Leslye: We have questions. We have questions. Miriam, do want to go first? Miriam: I just kinda wanna know what you were doing in the years between like nineteen ninety eight to two thousand? Kate: I used to see like everything in the theater back then and I think I just like was waiting until the lines died down and then I just didn't go in time. And then everybody had seen it and then it just wasn't never a thing that for some reason we like all watched together. I don't know. Miriam: Safe to say the lines have died down now. Leslye: When do you feel the lines did die down for that movie? Do you know what I mean? No, seriously, like when when did that movie sort of stop being culturally I don't know, like I think it lost steam at some point. Miriam: No, I disagree. Leslye: you think we're still in it. We're still in the Matrix. Miriam: I I Kate: I've never been in it, so I don't know. But then like the next big thing comes out and people just move on. What was the next big thing? I don't know what that was. Maybe I saw that. Miriam: they did another one. Kate: I think they're sequels. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't gonna watch the sequel if I hadn't seen the first one, Miriam. Don't be ridiculous. Miriam: I just have one thing to say about this. Keanu Reeves, where were you? Kate: That's what I find mind boggling. Like how I didn't see a Keanu Reeves movie. because I do consider myself a fan, but I d have but a terrible one. Sorry, Keanu. I don't have to tell you. Leslye: okay. Well, I have a couple thoughts here. First of all, Miriam, the next big thing was Lord of the Rings, in my opinion. I think that's what we all culturally Yeah. Okay. What do you know about the Matrix? Kate: So little. Like it's really truly amazing. I was trying to think about it because I knew we were doing this. So I was trying to think through like what is the Matrix about? And I cannot answer that question. Here's what I do know. Keanu Reeves is in it. I think he wears a really long leather trench coat and tiny sunglasses. I think his character's name is like Nero or Nemo. Nemo's the fish. Maybe Nero. It's like something like that. There's another guy in it who I'm pretty sure is Lawrence Fishburne, but maybe not. and there's a woman in it. But truthfully I only know that because she was in the Acolyte and you told me that she was in The Matrix Her name is Miriam: I love that you said a woman. Carrie Anne Moss Kate: I don't know her name. just would like to preface this by saying, sorry, famous people everywhere, I don't know any of your names. I know that at some point there's pills involved. There's like a red one because people quote that a lot and then one that is another color that I don't know. and my assumption is that Keanu Reeves takes the pill from Lawrence Fishburne, maybe, and it's red. And then he ends up in a Matrix. But I don't know what a the Matrix is. I do know at some point there's a scene where he does like a slow-mo backwards bend and maybe windmills his arms while he does it. Because there that was like on a poster, I think. But yeah, what happens in the Matrix, I don't know. I know he doesn't die because there's more of them, but that's about it. That's all I got. Like I don't Leslye: Does he? I mean Kate: Major major. Leslye: No, you're right. Like he could he could die, he could not die. We we never know. Nobody knows. It is Lawrence Fishburne Yeah, we can confirm that. We can confirm that. Miriam: Well I think based on that we can confirm Kate you have indeed not seen that. Kate: Not no, and I've never really had the urge to until this week when I couldn't. And then I like couldn't look up facts about it 'cause I'm trying to keep myself true. Trying to podcast integrity. Leslye: Was there anything like a and thank you for doing that by the way. Kate: Yes. Leslye: We gotta keep it legit here at the quarter century too late movie podcast. so that's those are all great answers. do you think that you will like The Matrix? Like is that one of the reasons you haven't seen it? 'Cause you've just been like, It's not my bag Kate: I think I feel like when it first came out, people thought it was so cool because of like the effects and stuff, and sometimes that stuff just doesn't age super well. And I think the fact that I know little about the plot makes me think maybe it was like not so plot driven and was more effects driven. And so it won't hold so well. Also, there's just lot of hype around it. Not in a great way. Like I think there's probably reason why I just haven't watched it Like it never became something that like bubbled to the top of list of things to watch. Leslye: One thing I will say about The Matrix it was like a pre-internet blockbuster, like the Sixth Sense where it was actually sort of word of mouth. Like the movie came out, people were like, This is fucking sick. but it was not what we think of now with a Marvel movie where you're told about it for seventy-five years. And it takes over your life And then there's 75 YouTube channels that are like, did you miss? You know, it was much more of a like, hey, I heard this was really good, you know, and then it becomes this like, you know, cultural psychosis that everybody goes through. So I do think it makes sense that if you didn't see The Matrix in 1999, in the early 2000s, you probably could have gotten away with not having seen it. Because other stuff would have taken over it. I don't know if you'd agree with that, Miriam, Miriam: Well, to me, The Matrix is definitely a genre, starter. Like this is a movie that launched a thousand similar movies. So that's why I think it is seminal. the effects are great. I'm curious to see if they hold up. but I think it was doing something different that we felt like we never saw before in both the storytelling and the effects. that's why I think it captured a generation, if you will. Leslye: I also think that it was one of those what is the internet movies? You know, like I don't know if you guys have watched Mission Impossible in a while, the nineteen ninety six Kate: Yeah. Yeah. Leslye: Yeah. Where Tom Cruise finds a person by just writing somebody with like different domain names all night. nobody really understood what was going on and while the Matrix this isn't spoiling anything 'cause the Matrix is not the internet. It is the first time that I think people were like, Whoa, the internet is for cool people like and not just people on Live Journal I think it sort of got that part of it. I think it'll feel dated in the way of the internet is a really cool place. Like, no it's not. all right. Well, Miriam, do you want to talk about the time traveling we're about? Miriam: Next time you see us we'll be in the future where we will have all seen it, Kate included, and then we'll be able to Kate: See Miriam: get some some reactions, see how everybody feels Leslye: See you soon. Okay, it's now a week later for us, seconds later for you, dear listener, and Kate has now seen Matrix. So Kate, go for it. Kate: I think I should react first to the fact that you two thought I wouldn't like it because I did enjoy it. So you're wrong. That's the most important part of this conversation, is that you two were wrong. Miriam: Couldn't be happier to hear that. Kate: It's very important after all of these years of friendship to point out any opportunity I have that the two of are wrong. True. I'm taking it now. I did really like it, but I see where you two thought I might not. But okay, so my thought on it is that mostly it's a literal time machine to the year 1999. I was pleasantly surprised to learn there was more plot that I thought was actually involved in the movie. It's like who knew? they don't really get talked about in the lore around the Matrix, I feel like. So much of it comes into play immediately with like external cultural implications of the film. Does that make sense? And not like the actual movie itself, outside of like a the handful of things I knew. Like there was a red pill. I feel like you two could have given me a heads up that his name is not Nero. It's Neo, because then I wouldn't have looked like a jackass. But thank you both. Miriam: I loved it. I loved that you kept calling him Nero. Kate: The whole movie. But then I was like, it does kind of sound like they're saying Nero's No, I have no justification. I was just flat out wrong about that one. I thought that the whole thing hinges on Lawrence Fishburne. if you don't love him, what's the point? It's like very much Keanu Reaves movie, I think in pop culture. But really I was like, this is Lawrence Fishburne's movie. I feel like that man needs some more props. Maybe he got them at the time, I just don't remember. but Keanu Reeves okay. You two are gonna get mad at me about this, but I don't love the chosen one trope Leslye: No, neither do I. Really watching it again, I was like, This sucks. Yeah. Kate: Yeah, and the characters who are the chosen one, I always think are the most boring. what did you do? You were just born. You don't have like what do you what value are you bringing to this world? I did not enjoy that aspect of it or enjoy the part of like Keanu Reeves' character where I was like, You're an empty vessel who just revolves around Lawrence Fishburne's world. but that works well with Keanu Reeves favor I think. 'Cause that's probably very, but he's really good at that that kind of thing, right? Leslye: I liked when he kept like talking to himself when he'd be like this is crazy and you're like we know it's crazy we're watching it Kate: Dude I'm I know, we're sold on the crazy part. Miriam: To disagree. I think the whole thing is that it's basically the Bible, and he's Jesus. And to be like, I don't like a chosen one. I mean, that's like 90% of human stories. So, and the whole thing is an allegory for Jesus. there's so much biblical iconography. The ship is the Nebuchadnezzar the whole thing is that he is like a Christ like Leslye: I don't know. I don't know. Miriam: Ha ha ha. Leslye: I'm split on it because I'm with Kate that a lot of times, especially in 1999, you know, the chosen one narrative of like whether it was Harry Potter or Anakin Skywalker, it was a very much a you should just care about this guy. Yeah. Just care about this guy, you know, because that was my minorist gripe rewatching it. I thought it was a great. rewatch. I was like this movie fucking slaps. Yeah. Kate: It was really fun. And I can see where if you like saw it in the theater when it first came, like it would have wowed you, I think. I you know, it was not as well worthy watching on my laptop screen. Again, don't get mad at me, Miriam. But Wow Miriam: Immediately. Kate: look, people, this is the world we live in. At least it wasn't like seventy two clips on TikTok. Like I feel like I'm I'm leaps and bounds ahead of how most people watch movies these days. Leslye: Miriam. Miriam, Miriam: Yeah. Leslye: I think we I think we need to like instate a rule. Miriam: Yeah. Kate: 'Cause I do storage. I don't know what you want me to do about it. Miriam: Do we need to buy you a TV? Geez Louise. I think that this one in particular, I did not remember the camera work it being so iconic it's always that question, right? When you're watching a movie that starts that we talked about this before, it basically created the genre and you just forget how good it was when it was fresh and new and interesting. And so I'm like you need to see that on a big screen. Leslye: It's also like seven different genres, which I really love. Like in a good way. It's like action, sci-fi, horror. There's like more horror in it that I remembered, like the the body horror and stuff. Kate: Also like the whole samurai thing and then it was making me think of like 1999 circa like animes, Big push and like and then it was like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon came out not too long after that. But I think you see that in the fight scenes. It was very much like that's why it felt like a time machine. I was like this movie is a time machine to 1999 In the best way. Like it really was fun. Leslye: What did you think of Bullet Time? So you've seen Bullet time in every movie that ripped this off, but you'd never seen it in the Matrix. So it was kind of spoiled for you, I guess. Kate: down The backwards windmill thing? Miriam: Also known as windmill time. Kate: Is Leslye: Yeah. Kate: Is that what's called? Bullet time? Is that like a term people use? Leslye: Yeah. Miriam: So basically when you're seeing the bullets move slomo Kate: Yeah. Miriam: yeah. Kate: I just didn't know there was a Miriam: Created it. Kate: I'm learning. Leslye: That's the thing today. That's why you don't know because you never saw the Matrix. Kate: Never so I also am like, there's like pop culture things like a glitch in The Matrix that I never understood the reference to before. That's like, that's what people mean. Leslye: Hold on. Does this mean that you thought this means that you thought a glitch in the Matrix was an adage that had nothing to do with the movie? Like it was a different Kate: I would just like nod and smile when people said that. Like I seen everyone be like Sure. Miriam: I I really wish I had been with you and you were like oh gotcha Kate: was literally it. When he was like deja vu, what does that mean? It's a glitch in the Matrix. I like, that's where the kids got that from. Yeah. It was really educational. Like If anybody out there has also not seen The Matrix, you you should. You'll learn a lot. Leslye: What else did you learn? Kate: my second screen facts about it were so dark. because the scope of the story is so large, you can just make it whatever you want it to be to fit whatever conspiracy theory you're pushing. Like Leslye: So I just Miriam: Exactly. But the whole like Kate: red pill thing. I was like, how on earth is this what these dudes came up with? you watch the movie and you're like, that's my takeaway from it. I just was flabbergasted like what that community is using to perpetuate that narrative. It's so insane. Leslye: felt that way on a rewatch as well. I was like, wow, this movie is so good. It's actually aged incredibly well stylistically and the acting and there's like actually not that much like quote cheesy stuff in it, except for that. Except for like, the narrative thrust, not the like world building, but the Do you feel like no one understands you? Well, it's probably because you're smarter than everyone else and you're super special. So if you want to know how stupid everybody else is and how special you are, then why don't you take this pill and then we'll go into a different world and shoot everyone? You know, and you're like, this part I don't like. Yeah. This part of it I don't like. everything else I loved about it, but I almost was like, I wish I could take this part of it. Miriam: But is that is that a reaction to twenty years of incels taking this movie and just destroying it. You know what I mean? I feel like there's a lot that it's super relevant and it still hits. I mean, the whole idea that we basically are just like machine fodder and we live in this AI existence. I mean, whoa, relevant to our current day. Yeah. sometimes men and nerds and incels and Kate: Mm. Leslye: Truly like there Miriam: Ruin at everything Kate: it's hard to to differentiate, I think, like my thoughts on it from what I know about it from that context, Miriam. Like it was really hard to be like, am I viewing the storyline through that lens or am I like giving it an honest shot? And I was really trying hard to just be like, enjoy the action film and don't think about all the rest that goes around it. you know what I did not like? Lawrence Fishburne's glasses in it. They don't have sides. He Leslye: I know. Kate: takes them off like this, and then it makes me think of The Jerk. You know the movie The Jerk? Like why can't you just have normal sunglasses like everybody? Leslye: Because it's cool, Kate. Kate: There's nothing cool about this. Miriam: Like re-watching it, I was like, this is a pretty strong script, and I felt like it was much tighter than I remembered. And I feel like that's why it had a little bit of staying power. Yeah. To Leslye's point, the world building is really tight. and I actually I forgot how much I enjoyed the actual real world quote unquote like they're on Nebuchadnezzar they're moving through this wasteland and then they have all of the classic octopus like I don't know why we're so scared of the octopus. It doesn't make sense to me. They're lovely creatures Leslye: wait a minute. I watched a video on this. wait, what's that guy's name? He's really smart. It's like Neil Degrassi Tyson. Miriam: Thays on the app. Leslye: Degrassi. Miriam: Old Degrassi yeah. Leslye: Anyway, it came up in my algorithm like a little thing by him and he's like octopus octopi octopuses Miriam: yeah, sure. Leslye: are the closest thing we have to aliens. He's like if you would think so. Yeah, it has six brains or something like that. I'm making that up. I'll find it and send it to you guys. Miriam: But they appear in sci fi so much. it's very interesting to me. But Leslye: It's true. Miriam: yeah, I just really forgot how much I enjoyed apocalypse version of the story. Like I felt like that was actually one of my favorite parts. Kate: They did good job too, of getting that world built really quickly. like all of a sudden I was like, Okay, we're on like a pirate ship in space. I'm there. Like I didn't need it to be explained further. And then it got to be fun fast Leslye: I couldn't agree more. Yeah. I thought that too. I was like, God, for a movie that spends like a good, hour explaining things to you, they do it in a way that you do not feel like they're explaining things to you. Right. ever. Like I looked down, I was like, it's been like 10 minutes, and we were an hour in. I was like, what? Miriam: Neo finding his way outside of the whatever battery juice casing is Leslye: Did you did that? Kate: How many times have we seen that? No, because I've seen it in other stuff. was like, that's where they came up with this. The same thing with like the color washing in it. I was like I feel like I've seen this color washing everywhere. That's Leslye: Yeah. Kate: true. Just replicated, I just never saw the original masterpiece till recently. Leslye: Well, 1999 also like when you say like it's a time capsule, his apartment looks like, you know, Fight Club It's kind famously among film nerds, 1999 is considered the year that changed cinema. I'm kind of like, I think it was just a year with like really good stuff came out. It was the Matrix, obviously, but then also Fight Club, Being John Malkovich, and Office Space, all kind of have the same white guy, I'm at job, I hate it. I shouldn't have to be doing it. I'm living this life of quiet desperation kind of feeling to them and with different results. Like, I think. The Matrix is like, God, I I hate my job. I'm Jesus, and Being John Malkovich is like, I hate my job and it's like, You're an asshole like Miriam: I will say he's Jesus and then I forgot he's also Alice in Wonderland. Kate: Wonderland thing for sure. Yeah, follow the white rabbit, yeah, take the pill. The Alice in Wonderland vibes were strong. But I will say there there were some cheesy parts. Like there were some lines. Miriam: Yeah. Kate: Go for it. after he climbs out of the thing and he's reborn as somebody who knows what the Matrix is. at one point the whole you know they're downloading or uploading. Yeah. So then he goes, I know Kung Fu and I was like, I can't I just like lost it Miriam: What I Leslye: Kate, that's iconic. Kate: Yeah, that's like I know Kung Fu Miriam: I My other favorite was listen, you've never used your eyes before. take a minute. You've never used those before. Leslye: I think the best of the cheesy lines for me is there is no spoon. Like that's there is no spoon. There is no spoon, guys. is no spoon. Kate: I can't wait to incorporate these lines into my everyday life. It's gonna bring me real joy. Leslye: what are the other things that made it cheesy for you? Kate: sleeping beauty ending where the kiss awake like I like yeah like you must be Miriam: The savior because I love you. Kate: Yeah, but that's also where I'm like, Do you girl? I don't know. You just heard he was the one and then you were like, sign me up. Leslye: Do you love him? You just met him and he has no personality. Kate: But he does know Kung Fu. I think that's where the chosen one thing gets annoying to me where I'm just like you didn't even have to explain it because he's the chosen one, so she feels this draw anyway, I could have done without that ending, but it was fun. Miriam: The oracle tells her that's why she believes it. Kate: Miriam Miriam: I actually feel like the one that really loves him is Morpheus. Morpheus loves him, willing to sacrifice himself. Kate: Yeah. Laurence Fishburne did all the heavy lifting in this. Miriam: Is really is actually incredible in it. And his character is so badass. You did not like the glasses, but you gotta give it up for the crocodile coat. Leslye: Amen Kate: I have questioned his fashion choices, but I enjoyed the character Leslye: I don't know if I can continue to be friends with Kate if if she doesn't like the crocodile coat. It's the coat. That's what did it for me, Kate. Kate: That's the idea. Thirty years of a friendship and we're done over one coat. Leslye: How can you not like that coat? We're done. We're done. Okay, so wait a minute. Before we move on to second screen facts, because it sounds like you've got some. And I have a couple of texts that I sent Miriam. I want to ask you like two more questions. One, How do you feel having not seen it for so long? Like, do you get the hype? Are you embarrassed you didn't see it? Maybe embarrassed is the wrong word, but When you go to a party are you're gonna be like, you know what I just saw? The Matrix. Isn't that crazy? Like Kate: First of all, what a great icebreaker. So yes. That's a hundred percent what I'm leading with. I never know what to say to anybody in a room. So I'll just start with that and I think it will immediately break the ice. I am really surprised I've never seen it. Miriam: I know. Kate: I really think in watching it I'm like, I don't know why this would have been like right up my alley of something to see, especially in the theater. Like I just don't have a grasp on it. I keep coming back to it wasn't a purposeful thing. I just for some reason never got to it on the list of stuff to watch. and now to your point, Leslye like so many things based on this stylistically, like narratively, through like so many of the movies I've enjoyed since then that I think I am a little embarrassed and I didn't realize that was the starting point. I think I was more aware of the outside noise around conversations Leslye: that makes sense your takeaway being or one of the big takeaways being I didn't realize all this stuff stylistically was from The Matrix. Is that right? Kate: Like when you read like a classic novel or something like that, right? Like then you're like, this all came from the Iliad, or something like that. Like it's not not that I'm comparing the two, but I do think you just don't realize until you saw like the source material. Leslye: you've now seen everything that ripped off The Matrix. You've now seen The Matrix. And as we all know, The Matrix ripped off that GAP commercial. Miriam: Exactly. Leslye: I was waiting to make that joke with you guys because you're the only people that will get it. Miriam: I feel like one big thing we haven't touched on yet is going back to our biblical themes. We have our Judas, Joey Pants. And I truly forgot he existed, but also how great he was in this. I love that character. I love that he's like, fuck you guys, I wanna go live in the Matrix Kate: Sure. Miriam: I really identified with that because I think that's where I'd probably be at like get me back in that some sweet sweet battery juice but yeah what Okay quick do you want to live in the Matrix or do you want to live in this real world? Leslye: the real world. The Matrix. Kate: I wanna windmill backwards. Can I windmill backwards in the real world? I don't know if I can. I think I would have I need to live in the Matrix to have bullet time be a thing of that's in my life. But to be clear, don't have bullets at me. I just want to be able to windmill backwards and avoid them. Miriam: See Kate, if you wanted to windmill, you have to be in the real world because you have to know that the Matrix exists. Leslye: Yeah, Kate wants to be in the real world. I wanna be in the Matrix. Miriam: I wanna be in the Matrix. Kate: I wanna be in the real world. Sorry, I reversed the two. See, I'm still new. I'm just a newbie guys. So I'm just gonna take me in the just got here. Like last night. I watched it last night. No, I wanna be in the real world. I wanna know Kung Fu, Miriam. Miriam: Okay, fair enough. Leslye: Right. Miriam: There's a couple of other things that we have to mention though. Okay. One, humans as a disease or a plague, I also felt was brilliant. Leslye: Yeah, what did you think about that? Miriam: I also felt that there was this environmentalist point of view where humans are just crops for the aliens, love it for the robots. And then the idea that humans are the disease, we destroy the planet. We're we are a Leslye: Virus though. It's virus, which I think is it's even better. No, but it's even better thematically because of all the computer bullshit. Miriam: yeah. Kate: Two K was about to happen. Miriam: You're right. Leslye: Yes. Yeah. Miriam: then Hugo Weaving in this movie. Leslye: Out control. Miriam: Like he's a nightmare. He plays it so well. that was like perfect, like villain turn. Loved it. Leslye: just gonna ask Kate what she thought of Agent Smith. Kate: at first I was like, this is so men in black. it was hard for me to take a little seriously. But then it was good. I mean, he was great. I looked him up. Like I was like, who is this guy? I went down a wormhole of other work that he's done. the the idea that it's like the FBI or CIA kind of role, right, is the bad guy. It's always intriguing. And it's easy to overplay, but I didn't feel like he did in that sense. Like you believe it. Although here's one part where the effects I think didn't really hold up when they seal his mouth shut. I was like, yeah. Leslye: Yeah. Yeah. Kate: It didn't detract from it the fun of it at like at all. Yeah. But Miriam: It was pretty funny. I love the monologue Hugo Weaving does or Agent Smith where he's essentially like, we tried to give you this perfect world and you hated it, Kate: I don't understand the narrative that's come outside of this. I'm like watching it, I'm like, this is the most woke movie I've seen like I couldn't tell you how long. Like, I don't know if you could make this anymore with this diverse of a cast, they'd be all over you. how on earth did this become this thing that the far right has like lodged onto? Like, I just couldn't understand it. And also what how lovely it was to see a cast like that in an action movie. Like, it was just so great. And that they killed it Like they were so good. Leslye: yeah, everybody every like that's a stacked fucking cast. But I agree with you. I do think it's Lawrence Fishburne's movie. I agree. Kate: Yeah. to the point where I was like, I don't know why people don't maybe they do and I just didn't catch anything. Leslye: No, I don't think he gets enough love for this movie. I'm with you. Miriam: I also just want to shout out the amount of destruction of walls is pretty impressive. Like I mean the chunks of concrete just flying. they really went for it when they destroyed that set. And I I truly appreciated that. I dug it. Kate: because there are practical sets, is it easier to buy in? Like sometimes I see the C G I stuff and I'm like, it's so incredible and sometimes I don't know. Miriam: yeah, you're not seeing these chunks of concrete flying or filming on a void you're not gonna get that. I just felt like that made it feel so visceral Leslye: I have to say this was an impressive movie to watch in the theater. It's true. If you're watching it on your computer in 2026 it's certainly not gonna Kate: I would never that's so weird. I'd never do that. Leslye: We're gonna move on to second screen facts and or texts we sent each other during this. I just wrote Keanu Reeves is so hot in all caps. I also said Carrie Ann Moss is so hot. I said Hugo Weaving is the GOAT. I wrote Laurence Fishburne is so hot. I did also text Miriam. I liked the bug thing. I had forgotten about that when they put it in his stomach. That was very horror-like aliens to me. The world building slaps. A baby shaped Duracell I wrote for some reason. Miriam: Yeah, because there's nothing funnier than when they're like, and then you end up like this, and it's straight up just like a Duracell battery. Like you've had these old crazy visuals and I'm loving all the like production design, and then they're like, we're this, and it's just a regular old Duracell battery. Kate: Okay, I forgot, I did look up one thing. I went down a rabbit hole based on Carrie Ann Moss's haircut and then like Winona Ryder's haircuts back then and I was like, Should I chop it all off like that badass haircut? Leslye: That mid to late nineties Bob or the the boycut Pixie Cut? What's it called, Mir Kate: And I had short hair like that back then. So I was like, should I do that again? Miriam: Les did you have any second screen facts that you looked up? Leslye: I did a little bit of a deep dive on Hugo Weaving. Miriam: I so like into him. Leslye: 38 yrs old Miriam: In this movie when they filmed Yeah. And I was like, wow, that's lot of stunt work. I wonder if he did his own stunts. Leslye: I will say that too, having done something with heavy fight choreography. they don't do their own stunts, but Lawrence Fishburne and Keanu Reeves did a lot of their own action, you can tell, especially since this is before the time of like digital face replacement. my guess is they probably turned up the camera speed a little bit, so that it looked as fast as it did. But they really fucking went there. So I wouldn't be surprised if Hugo Weaving did too. Kate: Face replacement is a terrible terrible. Leslye: Replacement baby Miriam: You know a movie I've never seen? Face off. Leslye: Miriam, that's your that's definitely Miriam: That's it. Leslye: next Okay, so here's my question. Miriam, do you think we can still be friends with Kate? Miriam: You know what, Kate, you've done me proud. You liked The Matrix. I was so concerned. But you really you've you've made me very proud. Leslye: same, same. roll the tape, but I do think I said that you would probably like it, but that you would have like one issue, like major issue with it. And I can't remember what that major issue was. Yeah. it was the sunglasses, right? I thought it was gonna be the violence, and you were like, actually it's the sunglasses that he pops off his face like a monocle. Kate: So that's half the fun of the movie, yeah. Miriam: Did you want to just say Leslye: No, no, go ahead. Miriam: One thing that I did not mention was great song to end on. Rage Against the Machine. Totally worked. Well done. I was like, Kate like this. Like Kate: I do like my Rage Against the Machine Miriam: 1999. Yes. Kate: machine. Leslye: would you watch this movie again? Kate: Yeah, I would. And I would go to one of your houses so that I could watch it on a big screen. Actually if you wanna get people in movie theaters, you should just re release this because I feel like there would be lines again. Leslye: I there definitely would be. you are redeemed Kate, but you're on probation for watching it on your laptop. That's what I would say. do you think this movie deserves the hype? Kate: I do. there's so much hype around it that it but I think the hype is so little about the actual movie. And so that's why it was fun to see the actual movie and be like, okay, Leslye: Yeah. Kate: I get it. I would've I would wait in line to watch it. Leslye: I am so down for this. This was really good. This was a good episode, if I do say so ourselves. it's because of you, Kate. it was brave of you to admit this to us. you took notes, you paid attention, you told the truth, and for that you can remain our friend. Thanks for joining us this week on How Have You Not Seen This? I'm Leslye Miriam: Miriam. Kate: And I'm Kate. Leslye: Tell us what movie we should watch at howhaveyounotseenthis.com. You can subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts and follow us on Instagram, YouTube, and TikTok at H-H-Y-N-S T Pod. Tune in next time for another Crime Against Cinema. And remember, friends are not friends unless they fight about movies. And please, please drive safe. I don't know. Miriam: Yeah. So Leslye: Okay. Done. Done. Stop this. Stop it. How do you stop it?