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Orioles drop series to the Padres, Gunnar Henderson gets plunked · Birdland Territory

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Speaker 1: Birdland not the end of the homestand the Orioles and
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Speaker 1: their fans wanted. They won Friday night, scored a big
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Speaker 1: number against the Padres and looked like maybe a big
0:16
Speaker 1: weekend was ahead. It did not happen. San Diego came
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Speaker 1: to Oriel Park not playing great at all. In fact,
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Speaker 1: there were four and twelve their previous sixteen games, but
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Speaker 1: they won that series. So that's a disappointing weekend in Birdland.
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Speaker 1: We're here to talk about it with you, Steve Brad
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Speaker 1: and Tim on Birdland territory and guys runners in scoring
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Speaker 1: position got him again, bullpen a little bit got him again,
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Speaker 1: and it was just a disappointing end to the weekend.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the Oriols just can't seem to get beast
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Speaker 1: the three game winning streak hump, and that's been a
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Speaker 1: hurdle for this club this year.
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Speaker 2: And it was again, Yeah, it was again. You're right.
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Speaker 2: It was a great start to the weekend. Friday. You
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Speaker 2: thought there was gonna be some fireworks and a lot
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Speaker 2: of home runs here, and unfortunately it just kind of
1:02
Speaker 2: ended up being a dout of a weekend. I think
1:04
Speaker 2: Saturday's game really set up kind of the pressure of
1:06
Speaker 2: today's game, knowing they didn't use their big arms in
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Speaker 2: the bullpen, knowing what the Padres had, and you could
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Speaker 2: kind of tell the way they use Walker Buller today
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Speaker 2: that they were ready to have their big arms through
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Speaker 2: multiple innings and you got to get a lead against
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Speaker 2: a team that has an elite bullpen like that, and
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Speaker 2: it just kind of just fell flat on them there
1:23
Speaker 2: this weekend and kind of overall this homestand it was
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Speaker 2: they had a little three run game, their three game
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Speaker 2: run there in the middle, and it just didn't really
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Speaker 2: work out. It kind of just got back to the
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Speaker 2: same field that they've kind of been spinned their tires
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Speaker 2: with here. It seems so far to this point in
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Speaker 2: the season.
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Speaker 3: That's been the big thing, right, It's one step forward,
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Speaker 3: one step back, one step forward, two steps back. And
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Speaker 3: when we were doing the show last Sunday and the Orioles,
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Speaker 3: they just finished that three and three road trip and
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Speaker 3: we're like, Okay, they're back home. They're a much better
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Speaker 3: home team. But you knew the task in hand. The Mariners,
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Speaker 3: they're leading the American League West, and that was a
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Speaker 3: four game series, and then the Padres, who, like you said,
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Speaker 3: Steve really struggling coming in, but gosh, does that lineup
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Speaker 3: have stars up and down, and some of those guys
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Speaker 3: were really able to get going this weekend. Manny Machado
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Speaker 3: had a strong series. Jackson Merrill coming home, he had
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Speaker 3: a strong series. But Brad, you hit it with this
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Speaker 3: Padres team. Their superpower is that bullpen and Mason Miller
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Speaker 3: is absolutely ridiculous and the Orioles found that out firsthand
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Speaker 3: in the ninth inning. But it was a frustrating afternoon
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Speaker 3: right because Trevor Rodgers I felt like this was his
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Speaker 3: best start that we've seen in a while. I know
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Speaker 3: he gave up the two earned runs early on in
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Speaker 3: that game, and I was just unlucky. You had the
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Speaker 3: ball hit off second base and flew into the outfield
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Speaker 3: where that could have got him out of the inning
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Speaker 3: at that point. But they fell behind. The defense really
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Speaker 3: struggled late. They gave the Padres attack on run and
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Speaker 3: unfortunately it ended with the series loss for the Orioles.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of the Oriols with
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Speaker 1: the runners in scoring position stat If fans probably think
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Speaker 1: they're among the worst in baseball, they are not, and
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Speaker 1: the reason for that is they have brief stretches where
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Speaker 1: they are very productive with runners in scoring position, but
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Speaker 1: it always changes. On my substack, I published like a
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Speaker 1: fifteen game run recently. Three games, Wow, it was great,
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Speaker 1: two games it was bad, two games it was great,
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Speaker 1: four games it was bad. And it was like a
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Speaker 1: roller coaster up and down, no middle ground. And we
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Speaker 1: just saw it again in the final two games against
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Speaker 1: Seattle they went seven for seventeen and they scored fourteen
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Speaker 1: runs in two games, but in the last three games
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Speaker 1: they went two for twenty two. Now they scored seven
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Speaker 1: runs on Friday night without a lot of runners in
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Speaker 1: scoring position. But it's this up and down. Now, here's
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Speaker 1: the yearly stats. They're eighteenth in batting average. Okay, that's
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Speaker 1: not great. Here's a surprising stat fans will be surprised by.
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Speaker 1: The Ores are a fifth in Major League Baseball and
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Speaker 1: slugging with runners in scoring position and seventh in ops.
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Speaker 1: So that shows you it's not a total zero. But
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Speaker 1: it can feel like it when you have a weekend
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Speaker 1: like they just had.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it just kind of seems like you said, Steve,
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Speaker 2: it's they have really good stretches where it's like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: here comes the team. We kind of expected, here's a
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Speaker 2: lineup we want to see this season, and then you
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Speaker 2: have games like the last two and you're just kind
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Speaker 2: of like, it's just not really adding up. It's not
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Speaker 2: making sense that there is no middle ground there. You
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Speaker 2: would think at some point it will kind of just
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Speaker 2: level off, but it really really seems to be peaks
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Speaker 2: and valleys right now with runners in scoring position, and
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Speaker 2: it's just kind of a weird thing about baseball. Baseball stats,
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Speaker 2: to me, are just some of the weirdest in any
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Speaker 2: of the sports. Some of them don't make sense, some
4:47
Speaker 2: of them make perfect sense. This is one of those
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Speaker 2: stats that to me, it's like you said, when you
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Speaker 2: watch the team, especially this weekend, you're thinking, they got
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Speaker 2: to be one of the worst in the league in
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Speaker 2: uh with runners in scoring position. But it's just not
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Speaker 2: the case. It's just a us a weird season so
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Speaker 2: far to this point, and it just can't it just
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Speaker 2: can't seem to find middle ground anywhere. When it comes
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Speaker 2: to kind of just getting to a certain point and
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Speaker 2: staying there, it kind of seems to get up and
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Speaker 2: then go down, and it's kind of just like kind
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Speaker 2: of like a stock market a little bit out there.
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Speaker 3: It's funny, Steven, and maybe we're just so prisoner of
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Speaker 3: the moment. And obviously it was a really rough day
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Speaker 3: with runners in scoring position today, But I am surprised
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Speaker 3: they're that high. I wonder if you could somehow split
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Speaker 3: that out to runners in scoring position when it's a
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Speaker 3: close game. It just seems like a lot of these
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Speaker 3: big time spots, like the sixth inning, for example, get
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Speaker 3: first and second, nobody out. Leody Taveres laid down another
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Speaker 3: perfect sack bunt that was his seventh of the season.
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Speaker 3: You have runners on second and third with one out
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Speaker 3: and Colton Kowser he struck out Jackson Holiday he ended
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Speaker 3: up pinch hitting for Jeremiah Jackson and he struck out.
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Speaker 3: So you weren't even able to put the ball in
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Speaker 3: play in such a critical moment of that game where
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Speaker 3: you were just trailing two to one.
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Speaker 1: And the Oriols is another surprising stat They have hit
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Speaker 1: twenty five homers with runners in scoring positions. Boy, it's
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Speaker 1: hard to remember a single one right now when the
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Speaker 1: recency bias is so bad, But the stats are there.
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Speaker 1: We'll tell you that, so I'm not selling the Oriols
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Speaker 1: is a great hitting team. Of runs in scoring position.
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Speaker 1: That's would be crazy, but that there's been enough good
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Speaker 1: that there's some stats there. They just haven't done it
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Speaker 1: with consistency, and they certainly didn't do it this weekend.
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Speaker 1: All right, thank you Tim. And one thing that happened
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Speaker 1: this weekend was a little interesting was a little beanball
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Speaker 1: incident of sorts. I guess here on the Saturday, when
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Speaker 1: Trey Gibson had one get away from him. Hits boguards
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Speaker 1: they seemingly throw at Gunner Henderson. We can't get in
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Speaker 1: their heads. In the seventh inning, two pitches didn't hit
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Speaker 1: him either time, then completely plunked him on Saturday in
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Speaker 1: the ninth inning, and you could see Gunner was not
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Speaker 1: pleased about that at all, and so Jake Rill sent
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Speaker 1: out via his Twitter from MLB dot com Craig Albernas
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Speaker 1: on the hit by pitch and ejections. There were two ejections.
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Speaker 1: The pitcher who hit Gunner, Merret Naccio, was tossed and
8:58
Speaker 1: so was the Craig stamming the skip of the padres
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Speaker 1: Trey hit Bogarts in the head, and their Doug act
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Speaker 1: didn't like it at all. Obviously, it definitely wasn't intentional.
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Speaker 1: It was a two seam that slipped out of his hand.
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Speaker 1: I get there where they're mad. The ball hit him
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Speaker 1: in the head and he had to come out of
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Speaker 1: the game. I'm not saying the ball to Gunner was
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Speaker 1: on purpose, but it was done the right way and
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Speaker 1: that's why there were no gripes from us. And Gunner
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Speaker 1: was fine with it and just took first base. So
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Speaker 1: he didn't look completely fine to me. Actually, if I've
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Speaker 1: allowed to express my thought, and so, what do you
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Speaker 1: guys make of what happened Saturday? And we should say
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Speaker 1: there was no carryover. Really, I didn't think there was
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Speaker 1: anything to agregious. No one was hit on a Sunday's game. Brad,
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Speaker 1: What do you think about all of it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, when somebody gets in the
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Speaker 2: head and they have to come out of the game,
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Speaker 2: especially someone like Xander Bogart's who's been around a while,
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Speaker 2: you have to kind of imagine there's going to be
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Speaker 2: some kind of retaliation. And to me, there's kind of
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Speaker 2: an underten rule. You have one chance to get retaliation.
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Speaker 2: And I thought they tried to get Gunner earlier in
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Speaker 2: the game, missed them twice, two fast balls way in
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Speaker 2: off the plate. I mean, I think it was Arrigaz.
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Speaker 2: He throws a lot of stuff away he throw He's
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Speaker 2: a changeup dominant guy to the lefty. To me, that
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Speaker 2: was pretty obvious they were trying to go get Gunner
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Speaker 2: back for hitting Xander there and then in the ninth
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Speaker 2: inning there. I mean, when you hit a guy right
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the ribs, it's to me there
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Speaker 2: was intent there, and the manager can say whatever they want.
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Speaker 2: The pitcher's going to try to play it off like
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Speaker 2: he wasn't trying to do it. Whether he was told
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Speaker 2: by one of the team, his teammates or to me,
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Speaker 2: it just looked like somebody told him this needed to
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Speaker 2: be done. We need to get retribution for Xandergan have
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Speaker 2: to come out of the game. Regardless if it was
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Speaker 2: intentional or not. It's a scary thing when somebody gets
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Speaker 2: in the head like that.
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Speaker 3: But I think doesn't common sense need to take over
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Speaker 3: a bit, brad Like Trey Gibson walked five guys in
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Speaker 3: that game. You know, this wasn't a pinpoint command game
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Speaker 3: for Trey Gibson by any stretch. And I don't know,
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Speaker 3: I just kind of thought it was a little bs
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Speaker 3: to be honest. You throw it him twice in the
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Speaker 3: seventh inning and then you hit him right in his
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Speaker 3: ribs won out to go in that ball game, And
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Speaker 3: I thought Craig albern Has his comments were very interesting,
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Speaker 3: to say the least, did not too often do you
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Speaker 3: have the manager sort of taking up for how the
11:21
Speaker 3: other team operated. And we all know what happened. I
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Speaker 3: know the Padres manager. He ended up coming out and
11:27
Speaker 3: he ended up getting tossed, of course, but Gunner was upset.
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Speaker 3: Man Gunner was definitely very upset going down the first
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Speaker 3: base line. But Brett have you ever been put in
11:37
Speaker 3: that sort of situation as a player, saying you got
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Speaker 3: to drill this guy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually funny. When I was my first ever
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Speaker 2: big league spring training in twenty eleven with the San
11:47
Speaker 2: Diego Padres, I got sent down to minor league camp.
11:49
Speaker 2: I wasn't on the roster, so I was able to
11:51
Speaker 2: come still pitching the big league spring training games during
11:55
Speaker 2: spring training. So I come up to face against the
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Speaker 2: Dodgers and I get done with my first inning, and
12:01
Speaker 2: there was kind of some beef between Jonathan Broxton and
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Speaker 2: him hitting a few of the Padres guys in spring
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Speaker 2: training games. So the manager kind of sits down next
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Speaker 2: to me. He's like, hey, next inning, you know, I
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Speaker 2: want you to go inside on somebody. If you miss it,
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Speaker 2: you miss it, if you know what I mean. And
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Speaker 2: I'm like, he's telling me to hit somebody right now.
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Speaker 2: I've never been I've heard about these conversations, and this
12:19
Speaker 2: is this is a while ago. Now, we're talking fifteen
12:22
Speaker 2: years ago at this point, and so baseball was a
12:24
Speaker 2: little different back then. But it came from the manager
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Speaker 2: and he told me I got two outs with nobody
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Speaker 2: on and hit the first batter first pitch on the
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Speaker 2: inside part of the plate, just threw it on the
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Speaker 2: inside and made sure that it didn't come back over
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Speaker 2: the plate, and it was It was a weird spot
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Speaker 2: to be put on, especially because I was ticketed for
12:40
Speaker 2: double A and they told me I was going to
12:42
Speaker 2: double A at that point. There was no plans for
12:45
Speaker 2: me to be in the big leagues at any point soon,
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Speaker 2: at any point during that season. I end up getting
12:50
Speaker 2: called up later on that season, but it was just
12:52
Speaker 2: it was one of those things. It's a weird thing
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Speaker 2: that is done. And Tim, I agree with you with
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Speaker 2: what you said. It's kind of I don't know. The
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Speaker 2: place of it in today's game is just it's dangerous.
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Speaker 2: It's guys are throwing one hundred miles an hour. They're
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Speaker 2: throwing every single pitch max effort. Back when I first
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Speaker 2: got called up, I think the average fastball was eighty
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Speaker 2: eight eighty nine. So there's a big difference between eighty
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Speaker 2: eighty nine to every guy today throwing ninety four to
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Speaker 2: ninety seven. There's a lot more danger involved. They don't
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Speaker 2: have as much pinpoint control. It's more about it's kind
13:21
Speaker 2: of your stuff that you're using as opposed to location
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Speaker 2: and back during then it was guys throwing eight eighty nine,
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Speaker 2: like I said, the starters, and you're hitting him right
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Speaker 2: in the butt. He's going to first base. They got
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Speaker 2: the point. The other team gets the point when we
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Speaker 2: move on today. It just kind of seems like you're
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Speaker 2: trying to hurt guys when you're doing that. And luckily
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Speaker 2: Gunner isn't hurt or he might have a bruise rib today,
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Speaker 2: but that's a dangerous spot to get hit as a hitter,
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Speaker 2: and I just think they had their shot. They missed
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Speaker 2: their chance to go back out there and do it again.
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Speaker 2: Was a little bit too much, in my opinion.
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Speaker 1: And maybe the first pitcher for the Padres did not
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Speaker 1: intend to hit gun I don't know, maybe because he
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Speaker 1: threw high and tight. I mean, even if they hit
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Speaker 1: your guy in the head, and you can't think that
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Speaker 1: was intentional. I mean, as you guys said, Trey Gibson
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Speaker 1: was struggling with his command, but the buzz the guy
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Speaker 1: high and tight. When they hit Gunner and finally got him,
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Speaker 1: at least it was in the ribs. Okay, I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that didn't exactly feel great, but wasn't head high the
14:21
Speaker 1: earlier pitches seemed to be about there, So I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure what all was going on with San Diego and there,
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Speaker 1: but at least Sunday nothing got worse.
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Speaker 2: And I also think Steve, honestly, when you kind of
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Speaker 2: get told that, whether it was a teammate, whether it
14:37
Speaker 2: was a coach, who ever told them, you get a
14:39
Speaker 2: journal in rush big time, because if you hit somebody,
14:41
Speaker 2: you don't know if they're going to come back out
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Speaker 2: at you. There's a real chance that that guy is
14:45
Speaker 2: gonna come and charge the mound. So when you get
14:47
Speaker 2: told that, and I can remember seeing back going a
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Speaker 2: Doug and I'm like, I'm not even on this team,
14:52
Speaker 2: and if I hit one of their guys and I,
14:54
Speaker 2: god forbid I hurt them, That's the last thing I
14:56
Speaker 2: want to do. But this guy could come at me,
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Speaker 2: and now I gotta fight this like. It's just there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of X factor there that things can go
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Speaker 2: wrong really fast in the heat of the moment. And
15:05
Speaker 2: that's why I just mess around with hit by pitch.
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Speaker 2: I just wish there was another way to take care
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Speaker 2: of this stuff if they feel like they needed to,
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Speaker 2: because the hitter is defenseless and you're as a pitcher.
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Speaker 2: You're in full control of what's going to happen in
15:17
Speaker 2: that situation, not necessarily where you're going to hit them,
15:19
Speaker 2: but you're in full control of where you're throwing that
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Speaker 2: baseball into me. It just it seems like things can
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Speaker 2: get really wrong, really fast in those situations.
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Speaker 3: It's definitely a great point. You're putting that picture at
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Speaker 3: risk because they didn't have anything to do with this
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Speaker 3: situation in the start of it, and heck, even Gunner
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Speaker 3: had nothing to do with it within the situation the
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Speaker 3: start of it too. When look, I know it's an
15:41
Speaker 3: automatic ejection if you charge the mound, but that has
15:44
Speaker 3: certainly not stopped people from charging the mound in the past.
15:47
Speaker 3: It just ends up being a scary proposition.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure does. And so you know, back in the day,
15:54
Speaker 1: pictures badded, but that has happened since nineteen seventy three,
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Speaker 1: so a long time. So now it feels like there's
16:02
Speaker 1: an equivalent seat. If they hit our star, we've got
16:06
Speaker 1: to hit their star. I don't think I don't think
16:09
Speaker 1: they played utility infielder for utility infielder, but I mean,
16:12
Speaker 1: Bogart's is a pretty prominent player, so obviously they weren't
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Speaker 1: gonna just hit just any oriole. They went for one
16:18
Speaker 1: of the biggestorials and Gunner had to wear one. That's
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Speaker 1: got to be frustrating for a batter. I neverth you can
16:25
Speaker 1: do with this and hew.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. And I always felt for guys that got
16:30
Speaker 2: hit in these kinds of situations too, because they had
16:32
Speaker 2: nothing to do with it. You're like, you just you
16:34
Speaker 2: feel bad, as like Trey probably felt terrible. You know,
16:37
Speaker 2: like he didn't mean to do it. Obviously, he lost
16:40
Speaker 2: the pitch and it hit the guy in a very
16:41
Speaker 2: scary place, but he must have felt terrible at the
16:44
Speaker 2: end of that game when Gunner had to wear that
16:46
Speaker 2: one of the ninth thing. But like again, it just
16:48
Speaker 2: seems so unnecessary and like you had your chance, you
16:51
Speaker 2: missed it. Just move on. Like I saw Carlos Quinin
16:53
Speaker 2: get hit by Zach Gerenky one time. He ran out
16:56
Speaker 2: and he broke Zach Grinky's collarable like Zach Grienky was out.
16:59
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was out for the entire year,
17:01
Speaker 2: but it's just you put it just became. Like I said,
17:04
Speaker 2: it can just be a scary situation and you just
17:06
Speaker 2: never know what's gonna happen. You don't know what the
17:08
Speaker 2: hitters going through. You don't know what the picture's going through.
17:11
Speaker 2: That guy could be having a really bad week at home.
17:13
Speaker 2: He could. You just don't know how angry these guys
17:15
Speaker 2: are when they do these things. And it's just things
17:17
Speaker 2: can get blown out of proportion really fast, really quick,
17:19
Speaker 2: and it's it can be dangerous.
17:22
Speaker 3: Oh with Manny and town Manny charging the mound way
17:25
Speaker 3: back when Heck, there was a clip that's been circulating
17:28
Speaker 3: a lot recently. It might have even been the Royals
17:30
Speaker 3: as well, where Chris Davis got beaned and he snaps
17:35
Speaker 3: yes like a twig right on the ground and I
17:38
Speaker 3: was like, dude, if Chris Davis is going to charge
17:40
Speaker 3: the mound and I'm that picture like you've.
17:43
Speaker 2: Been about it up the second base or center field,
17:46
Speaker 2: I don't want.
17:47
Speaker 3: Any parts of that.
17:48
Speaker 2: Yeah.
17:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, watching the game today and I'm half sort of
17:52
Speaker 1: half watching, half reading something, and I see Tavares walking
17:57
Speaker 1: tour back after making it out to a Duro dugout and.
18:00
Speaker 2: Sheets is walking with him.
18:01
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is the Padres player doing walking the
18:05
Speaker 1: Oroo counpack to his own dugout? And then then later,
18:09
Speaker 1: Masson played the replays that he was jawing with Walker Buehller.
18:13
Speaker 1: Walker Bueller seemed quite agitated a couple of times today.
18:16
Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on there.
18:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. He's always been fiery. He's kind
18:21
Speaker 2: of got that you know, kind of few mentality. There's
18:24
Speaker 2: no I don't know how also like the other way
18:25
Speaker 2: to say it, but it's just he kind of gets
18:27
Speaker 2: fired up, and I think he had the kind of
18:29
Speaker 2: the old school mentality, like why are you taking that
18:31
Speaker 2: biggest swing on three to zero? But uh, he probably
18:34
Speaker 2: said something or looked at him the wrong way, and
18:36
Speaker 2: I think a little that was probably from yesterday. You know,
18:39
Speaker 2: there probably were a little bit of tensions boiling over today,
18:42
Speaker 2: but thankfully it didn't go any further than that. But it's, uh,
18:45
Speaker 2: sometimes Pitcher's got to do things to motivate themselves, to
18:47
Speaker 2: get themselves pissed off whatever. Maybe that's what it took.
18:50
Speaker 2: A three zero swing out of fastball that he didn't
18:52
Speaker 2: like or something.
18:54
Speaker 1: And he was chirping at a couple oels today. I
18:56
Speaker 1: was kind of hoping somebody would rock a three run
18:58
Speaker 1: home or off him after that. But it didn't happen,
19:01
Speaker 1: and the Padres left town with a series victory. So
19:05
Speaker 1: Rico Garcia has had some struggles recently. This has kind
19:09
Speaker 1: of come out of nowhere. I'm going to touch you
19:10
Speaker 1: on that and a few more oriel topics coming up
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Speaker 1: Before we touch on Rico Garcia, I want to go
20:18
Speaker 1: back to Mason Miller. You guys mentioned him earlier in
20:20
Speaker 1: the show. This guy's ridiculous nineteen for nineteen and saves.
20:24
Speaker 1: He's averaging average one oh one on his fastball. I
20:29
Speaker 1: was looking at his statcast page. I've never seen a
20:32
Speaker 1: statcast page like this. One hundred is top of scale.
20:36
Speaker 1: That's the best you can get in a category. He
20:39
Speaker 1: has eight one hundred scores, which means he is the
20:43
Speaker 1: best in Major League Baseball in eight categories, ranging from
20:47
Speaker 1: things like average exit velocity meaning they don't hit him hard,
20:51
Speaker 1: to you know, velocity on his pitches to whiff rate.
20:56
Speaker 1: I mean, it's he looks like on Hay On the
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Speaker 1: stat cast page, he looks like the perfect pitcher, and
21:04
Speaker 1: on the field he looks pretty good too.
21:06
Speaker 2: By the way, it's a pretty sickening when you can
21:09
Speaker 2: throw one hundred and four and it's your second best
21:11
Speaker 2: pitch like that's it just blows my mind when I
21:14
Speaker 2: watch him. His stuff is just out of this world.
21:16
Speaker 2: I remember watching the playoffs last year, he threw a
21:19
Speaker 2: fastball in the absolute bottom dot down and away to
21:22
Speaker 2: a lrighty. I still think about it. It was one
21:25
Speaker 2: hundred and four dotted down and away, and it was
21:28
Speaker 2: one of the nastiest pitches I've ever seen. But like
21:29
Speaker 2: I said, that's the second best pitch. His slider is
21:32
Speaker 2: literally unhittable. So this Padres team is just that back
21:37
Speaker 2: end of the bullpen is just the stuff that they
21:39
Speaker 2: feature is incredible, and Mason Miller is just the cherry
21:43
Speaker 2: on top and it's incredible to watch. He's one of
21:46
Speaker 2: those pitchers and there's few relievers I would say that
21:48
Speaker 2: are must watch TV. But anytime he comes in the game,
21:51
Speaker 2: you have to turn on the TV to see what
21:53
Speaker 2: he's gonna do because there's a chance he has an
21:55
Speaker 2: emmaculatedning every time he pitches.
21:57
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, sure, sure is tim As you said,
22:00
Speaker 1: a lot of star power in that lineup, And yeah,
22:03
Speaker 1: they were playing pretty lousy for several weeks coming into Baltimore.
22:06
Speaker 1: Maybe they got right at the Oriel's expense. They're probably
22:09
Speaker 1: going to be around at the end somewhere. I don't
22:11
Speaker 1: know they're going to catch the Dodgers who could do that,
22:13
Speaker 1: but they might be around there somewhere.
22:16
Speaker 3: Well. It's sort of the conversation that we've been having
22:19
Speaker 3: a lot about some of these Orioles players, like Pete
22:22
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the year when he was really struggling. Oh,
22:24
Speaker 3: he's got to figure it out, like he's got that
22:26
Speaker 3: track record. And Gunner. We still have those conversations. But
22:29
Speaker 3: you look up and down that lineup and Fernando Tatis
22:32
Speaker 3: Junior and Jackson Merrill was incredible. Manny Machado is going
22:37
Speaker 3: to the Hall of Fame at one point, you know,
22:38
Speaker 3: at some point, like they have so much star power
22:42
Speaker 3: in that lineup for them entering this series, they were
22:46
Speaker 3: thirtieth in batting average, thirtieth and on base thirtieth and
22:49
Speaker 3: slug thirtieth in ops and thirtieth in runs. To have
22:54
Speaker 3: that much talent and dead last in all of those categories,
22:59
Speaker 3: it's really mind boggling.
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Speaker 1: We're not touched on Trevor Rodgers yet. What do you
23:05
Speaker 1: guys think about him? Today? Was a quality start, two runs,
23:08
Speaker 1: six innings, bad luck in the opening inning, ball hits
23:11
Speaker 1: the bag wound up two runs, scoring could have got
23:13
Speaker 1: out of there with nothing, and you know that was
23:16
Speaker 1: a difference maker today because this is a close game throughout.
23:20
Speaker 1: But his final box scored line looked pretty good.
23:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought, I thought he looked really good. I
23:25
Speaker 2: think I think it's is kind of continuation of putting
23:28
Speaker 2: good stretches together, and it's it's the same kind of thing.
23:31
Speaker 2: It's the it's the two outs runs that he's been
23:34
Speaker 2: given up. I feel like that's the only runs he's
23:36
Speaker 2: given up his last three or four starts here, and
23:38
Speaker 2: it's I think he's back to the pitcher that we
23:41
Speaker 2: have known to come or have come to know over
23:44
Speaker 2: the last couple of seasons. I really see him turning,
23:48
Speaker 2: turning it around, and just he's doing a good job.
23:50
Speaker 2: He's getting ahead of guys, he's he's forcing the recontact.
23:52
Speaker 2: Today was just kind of bad luck. He hit the bag.
23:55
Speaker 2: That's an out. You know, that's an out ninety nine
23:57
Speaker 2: out of one hundred times if it doesn't hit the bag.
23:58
Speaker 2: So it's it was a fortunate there and really runs
24:01
Speaker 2: right at premium today. So when the Potters got ahead,
24:03
Speaker 2: you knew it was gonna be uphill climbing there for
24:05
Speaker 2: for the Oriols today.
24:08
Speaker 3: This was his first quality start since his third start
24:11
Speaker 3: of the year. I think this was probably his best
24:14
Speaker 3: start since that point. And you can even look now
24:18
Speaker 3: he's got four starts. Now you go back his last
24:20
Speaker 3: four three eight six, ERA one one six whip, you
24:24
Speaker 3: will absolutely take that every single time. And Brad, you
24:28
Speaker 3: mentioned that I texted you guys in that Seattle game,
24:32
Speaker 3: the three run homer like that was his only punish.
24:34
Speaker 3: That was two strikes and two outs. And all of
24:37
Speaker 3: the hits he gave up in that last start the
24:40
Speaker 3: Seattle start, six of them, all of them were with
24:42
Speaker 3: two strikes. So it hasn't been perfect for Trevor, but
24:48
Speaker 3: you can certainly pick a lot of good out of
24:52
Speaker 3: these last four starts, and his trajectory is definitely up
24:56
Speaker 3: right now.
24:58
Speaker 1: Big West Coast trip coming up for the Orioles. We'll
25:00
Speaker 1: touch on Rico Garcia and the West Coast trip coming
25:04
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Speaker 1: Fan, So when your relief pitcher with an O six
25:26
Speaker 1: a eighty RA, it's gonna be hard to maintain that.
25:28
Speaker 1: I guess unless your name is Zach Britton, then you
25:31
Speaker 1: might be able to pull it off. But Rico Garcia
25:34
Speaker 1: was at six to eighty a couple outings ago, and now,
25:37
Speaker 1: guys has been scored on after today in three of
25:39
Speaker 1: his last four games, and in fact, he's given up
25:42
Speaker 1: three home runs in those four games, when he gave
25:45
Speaker 1: up one in his first twenty eight games. So whether
25:49
Speaker 1: it's location or something, I mean, tim, we got a
25:52
Speaker 1: former major league pitcher on the set here, maybe we
25:55
Speaker 1: should get his take on he's seeing something different from
25:58
Speaker 1: Rico Garcia.
26:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think honestly, I think there's just more of
26:03
Speaker 2: a book on him. But I don't really see a
26:05
Speaker 2: ton being different today. His location was definitely off. I
26:08
Speaker 2: think today was the first time I really know everything
26:10
Speaker 2: being elevated. No matter what he threw, everything was kind
26:13
Speaker 2: of middle of the zone to the top of the zone,
26:15
Speaker 2: whereas before it was middle of the zone to the
26:17
Speaker 2: bottom of his zone. So I really just think it's
26:19
Speaker 2: kind of the life of a reliever. You go through
26:21
Speaker 2: good stretches to go through bad stretches. His good stretch
26:24
Speaker 2: just happened to be two and a half months. Like
26:26
Speaker 2: the stretch he went on was unbelievable and it was
26:30
Speaker 2: really fun to watch it. I think he's just making
26:32
Speaker 2: you know, he's getting beat on his bad pitches, which
26:35
Speaker 2: he wasn't getting beat on earlier in the season. I
26:37
Speaker 2: really think that's the difference. It's kind of just how
26:39
Speaker 2: it goes. It ebbs and flows as a reliever, and
26:42
Speaker 2: I was always told that you need to have eight
26:44
Speaker 2: out of ten scoreless outings, and that's kind of what
26:47
Speaker 2: your season's going to go. When you give up runs,
26:49
Speaker 2: hopefully it's a single run and you move on and
26:51
Speaker 2: you just try to go out there and it's that
26:53
Speaker 2: was part of the thing I love being a reliever
26:55
Speaker 2: the most. Was just the challenge of six months of
26:58
Speaker 2: a season and it's really difficult reliever. You go through
27:01
Speaker 2: hot stretches that you try to run out as far
27:02
Speaker 2: as you can. When you give up a run, he
27:04
Speaker 2: try to go on another stretch and that's really only
27:06
Speaker 2: he has to do here. I don't see a ton
27:08
Speaker 2: different in his stuff. It's just going out there and
27:10
Speaker 2: getting that zero and just kind of rolling with it.
27:11
Speaker 3: After that, Yeah, I'm not hitting the panic button or
27:15
Speaker 3: anything with Rico Garcia. I think Kevin Brown and Jim Palmer,
27:18
Speaker 3: they were both joking about it and they were saying
27:21
Speaker 3: the same thing you were, Brad, he was missing a
27:23
Speaker 3: lot of his spots middle, middle, and it was getting hit.
27:26
Speaker 3: But you know, I think Kevin Brown had the line,
27:29
Speaker 3: like basically paraphrasing here, this is this is he's normal,
27:34
Speaker 3: He's human like what he was on such a magic
27:36
Speaker 3: carpet ride for so so long to begin his season
27:40
Speaker 3: where he wasn't even giving up hits. You know, in
27:43
Speaker 3: the first couple months of the season, I think he
27:45
Speaker 3: only gave up two earned runs, where now three out
27:47
Speaker 3: of his past four outings he's given up at least
27:50
Speaker 3: one earned run. But I think this sort of just
27:53
Speaker 3: points back to the fact Ryan Helsley should be back soon.
27:57
Speaker 3: You would think he had two scoreless rehab out over
28:00
Speaker 3: the weekend for Norfolk. I think he had five strikeouts
28:03
Speaker 3: and two innings pitch. So you add that electric arm
28:07
Speaker 3: and then it kind of just slots everyone else down
28:10
Speaker 3: some so that that will be a big, big boost
28:12
Speaker 3: to the bullpen when Hell's Lea's back.
28:15
Speaker 1: So Albertaz has pitched Rico earlier in the game here
28:19
Speaker 1: a couple of times. Recently, we didn't see that a lot.
28:22
Speaker 1: Now we're seeing more of it. It was a matchups.
28:25
Speaker 1: Do you think there's shuffling the order is all of
28:28
Speaker 1: a sudden you have more confidence in Kittridge, Lade or something.
28:32
Speaker 1: What are you guys seeing.
28:34
Speaker 2: I kind of think today was to get him back
28:36
Speaker 2: on track. I think he wanted to sot him against
28:38
Speaker 2: the bottom of the order just to kind of get
28:40
Speaker 2: him a clean out, and obviously didn't go that way.
28:42
Speaker 2: But I've seen managers do that before. I'd been on
28:45
Speaker 2: teams where they kind of you're scuffling a little bit, Hey,
28:48
Speaker 2: let's let's get you seven, eight to nine here, as
28:49
Speaker 2: opposed to having a face in the middle of the
28:51
Speaker 2: order like you do every other time, just to kind
28:53
Speaker 2: of get rolling again in the right direction. And I
28:56
Speaker 2: think it's I think it was just more one of
28:58
Speaker 2: those things. But like Tim was saying, I think it's
29:00
Speaker 2: a great time Helsley's almost hopefully back for this bullpen
29:03
Speaker 2: to just kind of slide everybody down. It's really hard
29:06
Speaker 2: to close in the major leagues, and I felt like
29:08
Speaker 2: I was a pretty good seventh and eighth inning guy.
29:11
Speaker 2: When I got to the ninth inning, it was it's
29:13
Speaker 2: just a different animal and it's a tough thing to
29:15
Speaker 2: do for a long time. It gave me so much
29:17
Speaker 2: respect for anybody who had to close games and was
29:19
Speaker 2: able to do it for a long time, because it's
29:22
Speaker 2: really difficult. That ninth inning guys just change everything they do.
29:25
Speaker 2: They're willing to get a hit, they're willing to hit
29:27
Speaker 2: the ball the other way. And Rica Garcia did a
29:29
Speaker 2: great job at it for a little bit, and I
29:31
Speaker 2: feel like it just kind of can catch up to
29:33
Speaker 2: you where the stress can kind of mount and the
29:35
Speaker 2: pressure kind of gets a little bit too much, and
29:38
Speaker 2: then you have a couple of bad outings and then
29:40
Speaker 2: it just kind of like bleeds into other things. So
29:42
Speaker 2: I think today it was trying to get him out there,
29:45
Speaker 2: get a clean inning, and just kind of get rolling
29:47
Speaker 2: in the right direction.
29:48
Speaker 3: It is really interesting seeing that, Brad, because you can
29:52
Speaker 3: have fantastic, you know, all star caliber relievers that maybe
29:57
Speaker 3: struggle with that ninth inning. And I've I always wonder
30:00
Speaker 3: that is it the moment? Is it kind of like
30:02
Speaker 3: what you were saying that the hitters just with a
30:05
Speaker 3: different approach, knowing the games on the line and all
30:07
Speaker 3: of the above.
30:09
Speaker 2: I thought in the al Least, in particular, guys were
30:13
Speaker 2: trying to hit their home run to the eighth inning.
30:15
Speaker 2: When they got to the ninth inning, they've picked their spots,
30:18
Speaker 2: but they were willing to change their approach just a
30:21
Speaker 2: little bit. And for me, I love pitching the home
30:24
Speaker 2: run hitters because I always felt like I with my
30:26
Speaker 2: change up especially, I felt like I was not going
30:28
Speaker 2: to give up a home run on that pitch. So
30:30
Speaker 2: for me it was an advantage. And then when I
30:31
Speaker 2: got to the ninth inning, I'm starting to throw these
30:33
Speaker 2: change ups, lefties are hitting ball the other way. Ready's
30:36
Speaker 2: are willing to, you know, hit the fastball to right field,
30:39
Speaker 2: where before they're trying to hit you six timesred feet
30:41
Speaker 2: to left center. So it was I think, in particular
30:44
Speaker 2: in the Division especially, guys were willing to not try
30:48
Speaker 2: to hit the home run of the ninth inning, and
30:50
Speaker 2: it just makes it more difficult when I I had
30:52
Speaker 2: were stats against in the nl WES and I did
30:54
Speaker 2: the al Least, and that makes no sense. There was
30:56
Speaker 2: a shortstop, usually lighter hitting shortstop hitting eighth with the
31:00
Speaker 2: pitcher hitting ninth, and my number was probably three runs
31:03
Speaker 2: higher in the n West, and it was al least
31:05
Speaker 2: Maybe I just like pitching against guys. I like to
31:07
Speaker 2: go home, try it a home run every time. I
31:08
Speaker 2: don't know, but for some reason the ninth think it
31:10
Speaker 2: just kind of felt like they were willing to take
31:12
Speaker 2: their single, take their walk, and kind of just keep
31:14
Speaker 2: the bus rolling in the right direction.
31:17
Speaker 1: I think the oil bullpen could really become a weapon
31:20
Speaker 1: if they get ellslie Back throwing like he was cano.
31:24
Speaker 1: We didn't even mentioned him through some unbelievable splits in
31:27
Speaker 1: recent outings. This splitter is just devastating, like in his
31:31
Speaker 1: peak performance from earlier. You know, get those guys going.
31:35
Speaker 1: Kittridge looks like he might be turning a corner. Got
31:38
Speaker 1: to save the other night. Then you have Rico and Nuniezo,
31:41
Speaker 1: by the way, the guys who are carrying them for
31:43
Speaker 1: much of the year. That's five guys not even mentioning
31:46
Speaker 1: some of the lefties that can help this bullpen. So
31:49
Speaker 1: it could better days could be ahead here for the Oriels.
31:52
Speaker 1: What's ahead is the West Coast trip. Three at Seattle,
31:55
Speaker 1: three at the Dodgers, three at the Angels, it'll be
31:57
Speaker 1: a long trip and we'll be here throughout it to
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