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Champ Bailey on GOAT cornerback, toughest WRs to guard, Broncos & NFL stories | Richard Sherman · The Richard Sherman Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast, and today we
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  Speaker 1: have a legendary guest at twenty nineteen Pro Football Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame inductee, one of the most dynamic and dominant
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  Speaker 1: football players to ever play in the National Football League.
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  Speaker 1: Fifteen seasons of domination at the cornerback position, twelve Pro Bowlers,
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  Speaker 1: twelve Pro Bowls, seven All Pros, and a member of
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  Speaker 1: the two thousands All Decade Team champ. Appreciate you joining me, brother.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Man. Good to be in the presence of greatness. Man,
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  Speaker 2: how you doing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm great, I'm great. I'm great. I got you on
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  Speaker 1: the show. I'm feeling good. It's a beautiful day for me,
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  Speaker 1: so much great football to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's get to it, man.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get to it. So we'll start it. We'll start
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  Speaker 1: it with what was your welcome to the league? Bumbit?
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  Speaker 1: Because I think people forget, you know, as great as
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  Speaker 1: you are and as great as players are, everybody has
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  Speaker 1: them that introduced him to the National Football League, where
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  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, okay, they're real out here. You know.
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  Speaker 3: The older I get, the more it becomes a season
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  Speaker 3: instead of just one moment. It was more like Okay,
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  Speaker 3: my whole rookie season. If I look at that body
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  Speaker 3: of work and who I had to deal with, I
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  Speaker 3: had to deal with some dogs. First game in my career,
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  Speaker 3: Michael Irvin got it. Now, I haven't done anything in
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  Speaker 3: the league at this point. Dal Green was the man
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  Speaker 3: you know, on the Redskins at the time, and they
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  Speaker 3: gave me the assignment, and I'm like, damn, okay. And
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  Speaker 3: it was more about our size, right, I was bigger,
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  Speaker 3: he was bigger. And now, look, Michael Irvin would do
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  Speaker 3: this thing. Now he was good, really good. But now
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  Speaker 3: if you know, he wasn't that fast, but he was
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  Speaker 3: deceptive and he was strong, great blocker. And speaking of blocking,
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  Speaker 3: he would do this thing where he would come off
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  Speaker 3: the ball and just head butt you. So I think
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  Speaker 3: back then, I'm seeing stars that ain't no concussion. You know,
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  Speaker 3: that's just part of the game. So I had to
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  Speaker 3: deal with that. So that was a welcome to the
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  Speaker 3: league moment. Later in that year, I had Eric Moles.
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  Speaker 3: Now a lot of people forget about Eric Moles, but
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  Speaker 3: I always have to remind people, Man, this dude was
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  Speaker 3: a straight dog country boy, stronger than odds, and I'll
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  Speaker 3: never forget I don't know if he was mad at
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  Speaker 3: me or what, but I locked up with him on
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  Speaker 3: a run.
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  Speaker 2: Play man.
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  Speaker 3: That dude had me over that past the gatorade, like
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  Speaker 3: I no, and I never The main thing I remember
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  Speaker 3: about it is I tweaked my shoulder and that's really
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  Speaker 3: what made me kind of go limp, and he just
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  Speaker 3: took advantage of it. But man, my shoulder has not
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  Speaker 3: been the same since. You gonna think that's rookie year.
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  Speaker 3: And there was another moment earlier in the year where
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  Speaker 3: I chased down somebody on a damn kick off return.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna kick off. I chased somebody down and then
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  Speaker 2: we're we're at the Meadowlands.
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  Speaker 3: And this was when they had that astral turf like
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  Speaker 3: that that carpet and I and I stripped the ball,
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  Speaker 3: Paul popped out. I stuck my other arm on his
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  Speaker 3: waisted tackling, and boy, I drugged my arm on that turf,
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  Speaker 3: and I just had rug burns like and you already know, man,
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  Speaker 3: And it was in my like in my elbow, like
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  Speaker 3: it was all in here. So every time I stretch
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  Speaker 3: it out, oh my god. It was the worst. But anyway, man,
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  Speaker 3: it's always a collection of moments, you know, I got
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  Speaker 3: I gotta say I thought I was somebody, and then
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  Speaker 3: you hit that rookie wall, and then you know, we
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  Speaker 3: went on this little playoff. Well, we went on this
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  Speaker 3: run to get in the playoffs, and we won our
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  Speaker 3: division last game of the year against the forty nine ers. Man,
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  Speaker 3: it was that was the only time I went to
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs as a Redskin. But I'll never forget it
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  Speaker 3: because it was an up and down season. Man, So
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  Speaker 3: them boys taught me some lessons.
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  Speaker 1: That right, That's that's exactly how rookie years go. I
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  Speaker 1: remember I didn't start until the sixth game of the season,
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  Speaker 1: and it was really because everybody else got hurt. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't because you know, I was I was a fifth
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  Speaker 1: round draft pick, and everybody in front of me just
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  Speaker 1: went down, dropped back flies, paying bang bang, And they
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  Speaker 1: threw me in there against Cleveland and I'm wet behind
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  Speaker 1: the ears. I'm just out there like hey, I'm pressing,
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  Speaker 1: putting my hands on everybody, and I'm just gonna survive
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  Speaker 1: and tackle everything moving. And I just remember, like even
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  Speaker 1: the guys you don't even think about, like the fans,
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  Speaker 1: I can't say we don't think I was good because
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  Speaker 1: everybody in the National Football League is good, but the
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  Speaker 1: fans don't think about as like, oh man, this guy's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a problem or problems like just because you
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  Speaker 1: don't know them as big names, household names. Every receiver
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  Speaker 1: in the National Football League has something dynamic about them.
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  Speaker 1: There's something, there's a reason there there, and there's something
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna give you trumple So my rookie year, I
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  Speaker 1: just remember having so much respect for everybody at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the season because I was.
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  Speaker 2: Like everyone, Oh yeah, everybody's good.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, got it that you see on tape blocking all
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  Speaker 3: the time. He wrote you up. They give him something.
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  Speaker 3: Don't sleep but you can't sleep on anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody, nobody. But but like we were talking about earlier,
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  Speaker 1: the game has so so evolved so much. Who's your
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  Speaker 1: favorite dB in the league right now? Obviously you watching
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  Speaker 1: pretty closely, and certain Is is still the top of
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  Speaker 1: the class. I mean, Christian Gonzales put on the show
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  Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: But those are the two right there, right and certain Is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, hands down the best.
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  Speaker 2: He's it's really his body of work.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's obviously good right now, but he's done
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  Speaker 3: it for four or five years now, so to see
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  Speaker 3: him be so consistent, and I mean, it's been amazing
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  Speaker 3: to watch because I never see him. I never see
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  Speaker 3: him get really tricked or just dominated like nobody's just
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  Speaker 3: like we all had our moments with guys are just
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  Speaker 3: catching the ball. You're like, yeah, dang, Like what am
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  Speaker 3: I doing this dude? He really he really handles his
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  Speaker 3: own on a consistent basis. And you mentioned Christian Gonzales. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he popped up on my radar. I was when he
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  Speaker 3: went to the Patriots. When he got drafted. I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I don't really know this guy, but I like his side.
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  Speaker 3: I like the way he moves, you know. Then he
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  Speaker 3: had his rookie season and then they made this playoff
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  Speaker 3: run and I really got to watch him. I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: this kid could play, and I just like the fact
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  Speaker 3: that he makes plays. But he's hungry enough to want
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  Speaker 3: to match up and do all these other things that
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  Speaker 3: they asked these high profile corners to do. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's on my radar for sure now. And there's other
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  Speaker 3: cats I like. I like my guy, Denzel Ward, like
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  Speaker 3: he consistent, been doing it for a while. Aj Terrell,
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  Speaker 3: I'm here in Atlanta, so I get to see him
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  Speaker 3: a lot. So these dudes here, they're fighters. To me,
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  Speaker 3: like they're not the biggest, but I mean they play
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  Speaker 3: with the biggest and I love their game.
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  Speaker 2: I love to watch them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun. It's been so much kind conversation about
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  Speaker 1: the shadowing, the receiver and following and all that, and
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  Speaker 1: I remember it was. It was big and prevalent during
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  Speaker 1: that time I played, and people didn't try to give
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  Speaker 1: me my just due because they're like, oh, you didn't
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  Speaker 1: follow everybody, you didn't do this. And I'm like, bro,
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  Speaker 1: I do what the coach tell me to do. If
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  Speaker 1: you tell me to go get him, that's who I
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  Speaker 1: go get. They tell me that way, it's covered, that's
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  Speaker 1: what I play. I go to the coordinator to be like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: can we play Man every place? Or they'll stop talking.
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  Speaker 1: Guess what, he don't do.
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  Speaker 3: It, you know, you know, And I was one of
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  Speaker 3: those guys like I was like, damn, I wish you
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  Speaker 3: would match up.
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  Speaker 2: I wish they would let him match up.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's way because because to me, matching up
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  Speaker 3: exposes you in different ways, like you can't just be
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  Speaker 3: one thing. So it gives you the opportunity to display
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  Speaker 3: your talents. And I never forget you matched up on
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  Speaker 3: Antonio Brown one game and.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, this is it.
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  Speaker 3: And for some reason, I'm watching this game, like by
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  Speaker 3: the time I retired, you know, I catch games here
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  Speaker 3: and there, you know, but I watched that game and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh man, And I knew Antonio Brown
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  Speaker 3: has issues with long corners, so so for me, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, this's gonna be a challenge for him, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just once I noticed it and you held your own,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, you got to think that dude was
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  Speaker 3: on top of his.
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  Speaker 1: Game that I think he had eighteen nineteen hundred that year.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was. He was doing it.
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  Speaker 3: So every week you see that, you expect that to
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  Speaker 3: happen against you.
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  Speaker 2: You held it down. I give you a lot of
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  Speaker 2: props for that one.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But that was the thing about the
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  Speaker 1: whole deal, because when you played, they would let you
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  Speaker 1: guys do it, but the fans think, oh man, you
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  Speaker 1: following You guys just run cover one the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, nobody play cover one when they call it.
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  Speaker 1: But you don't just play man, just because I travel
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  Speaker 1: over there with you, No mean I'm in man to
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  Speaker 1: man and at times it's it's a coverage identifier. It
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  Speaker 1: exposes a defense if we do. Every time I move
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  Speaker 1: around with him, we and man and I'm just giving
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  Speaker 1: us away.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And that's what I'm saying about.
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  Speaker 3: How you can, you know, show how versatile you are,
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  Speaker 3: because you can't just play one side match up with
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  Speaker 3: somebody and not know how to play inside. Like you
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  Speaker 3: got to know everything. And that's one thing I always
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  Speaker 3: prided myself on. I want to know every position in
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  Speaker 3: this room because if my guy goes over here and
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  Speaker 3: I'm inside, I want to know what the nickel has
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  Speaker 3: to do because I know we can't play man the
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  Speaker 3: whole time. So if that's going to discourage you from
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  Speaker 3: calling a zone play when I'm inside, then that's don't
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  Speaker 3: mess up the whole game plan. So I gotta be versatile.
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  Speaker 3: And I was just lucky enough that I always played
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  Speaker 3: with coaches that allowed me to do it. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there was a few I had to kind of talk
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  Speaker 3: into it right. Other than that, I mean, but I
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  Speaker 3: had established my reputation at that time. But I came
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  Speaker 3: out the gate Michael Irving buddy, Like, Okay, I just
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  Speaker 3: took that challenge, man.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I took it every time they called on it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there was a couple of times they called
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  Speaker 1: me to do it with Julio Ajay. Yeah, Antonio. They
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times in twenty thirteen, the year we
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  Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl. They would call it for
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  Speaker 1: specific games, like we had An Kwan one year, and
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  Speaker 1: it just made sense, like I'm I'm following a Quan,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in the slide, I'm outside third down. They going
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  Speaker 1: to him. That's where I'm gonna be Like me and
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  Speaker 1: a Kuan. Let's let's let's dance. And Kuan was one
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  Speaker 1: of the ones too that nobody gives no credit to.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a straight, straight dog. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I never had to deal with him much because when
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  Speaker 3: he was in Arizona, I would I was on Fit Salot.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, right, another dog.
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  Speaker 3: And then you know, when he got to Baltimore, they
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  Speaker 3: put me on the speedier guy and Kuan, and I
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  Speaker 3: think Chris Harris had him. I mean, this is the
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  Speaker 3: back end of my career, but you know, he man,
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  Speaker 3: that dude. Just watching him in college and all the
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  Speaker 3: shit he did because he played against my brother, and
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  Speaker 3: I think it was a sugar Bowl man. He just
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  Speaker 3: dude was doing everything for Florida State. So when he
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  Speaker 3: got to the league, I was really anxious to see
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  Speaker 3: how they used him and or they did not disappoint
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  Speaker 3: that dude was a straight dog man.
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  Speaker 1: He was tough to deal, super strong. You talk about
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  Speaker 1: the head butt release and all that. He was all
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  Speaker 1: that and mean and mean. You know, some dudes out
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  Speaker 1: there just seemed like they just got an attitude the
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  Speaker 1: whole game. And you're like, hey, bro, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: who did something to you, but hey, you ain't I'm
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  Speaker 1: one of them. You ain't about to You ain't about
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  Speaker 1: to be bullying me out here. I heard my hands
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  Speaker 1: on you. But I had to deal with fits all
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  Speaker 1: the time because he was in our division. So boy,
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  Speaker 1: you talk about hard lessons my rookie year, I'll never forget.
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  Speaker 1: I never forget Larry Fitzgerald. I'm pressed up. I'm like this,
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  Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, like, I'm about to make Mike a name
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  Speaker 1: for myself. Last game of the season, I got him.
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  Speaker 1: They threw one up. I almost picked it. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm strapping. And they always had him in this like
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  Speaker 1: motion cut split like allowing him to be free. So
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  Speaker 1: they forced you to back off. And that's how they
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  Speaker 1: got me off of him. Boy, They backed me off.
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  Speaker 1: That boy ran that spray release post got me one
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  Speaker 1: hand over the middle, like I said, who, this boy's nasty.
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  Speaker 1: And then I pressed him. Later in the game, we're
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  Speaker 1: in ot and I'm pressing him and he the back
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  Speaker 1: of my helmet like and then hook the back of
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  Speaker 1: my helmet. Boy, And next thing you know, I'm chasing
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  Speaker 1: elbows and said.
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  Speaker 2: So so he got balue.
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  Speaker 3: So he did that to me, they call OPI on
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  Speaker 3: his ass's.
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  Speaker 1: Because you was a legend. I was a philth Browner.
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  Speaker 3: See what I would do though, I would go tell
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  Speaker 3: the refs, like if I see stuff on film, I
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  Speaker 3: go to the field judge and the back judge. I'm like, look,
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  Speaker 3: this dude does this, this and this, Like you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: think I'm holding him off the line, but he's grabbing
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  Speaker 3: me first. I'm just trying to move my feet. Now
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  Speaker 3: if I let him go, now, he's just gonna run
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  Speaker 3: right by me. So I can't let him go. Damn,
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  Speaker 3: he didn't throw that flag in the game. I'm telling you,
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  Speaker 3: those little conversations used to help me every now and again,
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  Speaker 3: so it was necessary.
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  Speaker 1: I was telling I was telling Terry on Arnold Insertain
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  Speaker 1: because they do this podcast together. Oh yeah, and I
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  Speaker 1: was telling them boys, I said, get to know them refs,
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  Speaker 1: them side judges in the back. Just know their name.
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  Speaker 1: Just know their name. That'll go a long way in
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  Speaker 1: these games.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, John has a family. I mean whatever, Bro,
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  Speaker 3: it's the relationships matter. I don't care where you are
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  Speaker 3: in life.
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  Speaker 1: I don't exactly I feel the same way. I feel
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  Speaker 1: the same way. I wanted to talk about this because
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  Speaker 1: you said so much of the game about the game,
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  Speaker 1: and you mean so much to this game, and you're
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  Speaker 1: such a legend, your your voice has such impact. Now
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  Speaker 1: you said, at times, you feel like this game is
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  Speaker 1: fixed by these refs and the things they do in
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  Speaker 1: the flags. And sometimes the fans take that and they're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: see I told you it's fixed, and it's like he
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  Speaker 1: didn't mean it like that what And I want to
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  Speaker 1: let you clarify it. But as somebody who played the game,
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  Speaker 1: the only people who can affect the game in that
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  Speaker 1: way or the rest like people are like the players,
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  Speaker 1: like it ain't no players in this game, fixing his game.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Never, it's impossible. It be damned too hard. You be
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  Speaker 1: sitting your ass on a bench before you know it.
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  Speaker 1: But if every time an offense has a big player
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  Speaker 1: ref throws a flag, you can have a tremendous impact
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  Speaker 1: on that game. It only takes two three sixty yard
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  Speaker 1: touchdowns coming back that Hey might not score again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think there's some conspiracy or anything going on,
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  Speaker 3: but that you know, the rests do affect the game.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, one way or the other.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I gotta tell you, since I've been retired, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the more I have to convince people like, nah, it's
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  Speaker 3: not fixed.
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  Speaker 2: It's not fixed.
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  Speaker 3: Now you see things happen and you wonder, but again,
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  Speaker 3: like ref's are human, They're gonna make mistakes, they're not
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  Speaker 3: gonna get it.
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  Speaker 2: Right all the time.
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  Speaker 3: I just always felt like there needs to be more
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  Speaker 3: attention on the development of refs. And you know, even
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  Speaker 3: some guys I know that play that are refing now
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  Speaker 3: and it's funny watching them out there because I know
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  Speaker 3: how they used to feel about the refs. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: gonna name them, but but but you know, it was
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  Speaker 3: always interesting.
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  Speaker 2: You know who the refs are.
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  Speaker 3: But I always made it a point, like I said,
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  Speaker 3: to talk to the refs and build a relationship with
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  Speaker 3: them because they are the judges. It's no different if
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  Speaker 3: you in the courtroom who's making the decision to hit
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  Speaker 3: them the person right in front of you, like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you better like you on some level in order to
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  Speaker 3: get some calls to go to your way.
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  Speaker 2: That was always the case.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's you see it in basketball more than anything, right,
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  Speaker 3: the superstar is gonna get the calls.
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  Speaker 2: So it is what it is, and that comes with
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: anything you do in life.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: Man. People are always gonna favor the ones that they've
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: seen do it over and over again.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: That's just that's just how it is now.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: I don't if I said that. I don't remember saying
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: that the game is fixed or the refs are fixing
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: the game.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe you didn't say it like that.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: It was just it was just you were just like
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I could see how people would feel that way.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I could get that, of course, especially when you're
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: on the losing it, you know. And I try to
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: be objective about what I see regardless because I'm a
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: big dog fan. Now there's no team I root for
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: harder than my bulldog. So whenever we have is I'm
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: sitting there yelling at the rest just like everybody else.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting there saying, oh man, they must be for
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Mississippi because old miss One.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: So I'm the same way.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: But then I, you know, I calm down, and I
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: you know, I get real with myself and just realized
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: we didn't play well enough.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Right right now? You set the standard for cornerbacks. I mean,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: you got twelve Pro Bowls to your name, the most
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: of any corner corner in the National Football League's history.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: You got two hundred and three PBUs during your Hall
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: of Fame career. Looking back, what do you think really
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: set you apart from everybody else?
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Practice? You know, it's funny, like the two oh three breakups.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's one of those things I'm really proud
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: about because it lets people know, like how many times
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: I got my hands on the ball right. But it
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: was the way I practiced, and it was it was nothing.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: It was something that I thought about my first two years.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Or even worried about. It was just what I did.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: And then I never forget Marty Schottenhammer was like, man,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: I've never seen a guy get his hands on so
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: many balls in practice. And I'm like, just out here
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: doing what I do, like I'm still young. I'm twenty
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: three years old. I don't I mean, I don't know
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: what I'm doing. I'm just out here playing. This is
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: what I've been doing since I was eight years old.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: This is this is who I am. But then when
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: I got to Denver and Mike Shanahan, I never forget.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: I dislocated my shoulder my second year there, and Mike
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Shanahan took some film and was just showing the team
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: because I came back to practice that Thursday. I didn't
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: miss I think I missed the Wednesday practice. Came back
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Thursday and I was practicing out there with a harness on.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I ain't missed no.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Time, like because at that point in my career, I
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: hadn't missed a game, like I had missed no game
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: into my sixth season. And I came out there and
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I got this thing on my arm and I'm practicing
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: hard and diving on the ground and breaking up balls.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: And he took that film and showed the team and
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: he was like, this is how you practice, and that's
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: when it really like clicked, like.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad that I'm the guy that he's
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: pointing out. But I just never realized like how important
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: it was to be a great practice player. So I
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: always prided myself on making sure that I set the
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: example by what I did, right, I'm a leader at
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: this point, so the way you practice rubs off on people.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Here the question and to me, to be honest, Once
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: I got later in my career and the bumps and
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: bruises started catching up, and I wasn't able to practice,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: my play decline, So now I'm not as good and
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: I contribute to all that, you know, decline to practice,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: and obviously father time a little bit, but I wasn't
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: able to continue working at a high level in order
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: to stay sharp, you know, and get my skills and
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: make sure I'm prepared every week. Man, I would take
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Wednesdays off, I mean because I was hurting. I was tired.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: So that's really what forces a lot of guys the game.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: And I just saw one of my favorite slaver tire
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: and then I'm like, damn boy, and Father Tom is undefeated.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Because he was in the of his game two years ago.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: All right, So now you start seeing moves on the
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh and then you just, man, look, it's nothing that
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: you could do about that. That clock ticking. It ain't
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: never stopping for nobody, nobody.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: And that's such a great point because I think that's
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: lost on so many people in this nil era and
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: it's highlight and clip era is just consistency at practice.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I think that was what gave me the most confidence
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: when I was playing. It's I practiced really hard. I
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: knew what was coming, I knew what I would see,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I knew how my body will react. And then I
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: go into the game and I feel good. I'm like, hey,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I know I practiced and gave myself the best possible
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: chance I could go out here and let it hang.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: But when you don't practice, I remember, I had a
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks where I got nick and you're like,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I don't feel as good today because I didn't go
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: out there and put my body through it and know that, hey,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I'm ready for this moment. I do this. I earned
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the right to play the way I want to play,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: and still I put up. I still played pretty well.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: But as you said later in your career. The less
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: you practice unless you feel good, the more your game
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: feels like it's starting to slip.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: It's inevitable, bro, It's inevitable.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: It is. It is the game. The game is evolving
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: so much. And I remember watching you and and and
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Dion and Charles and and all the great dbs that
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: came before, and watching y'all study the game and manipulate
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the game and bake quarterbacks and take the football away
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and the way that y'all did, And I remember like, oh, man,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to get to the league and study.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I took so many nuggets from the things you guys
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: said in interviews and the things you guys did on
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the field and the things you the way you played,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and I tried to put them into my game. But
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: then the game changed. Then the game changed. Then they
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: now they're protecting quarterbacks. Now, quarterbacks aren't aren't putting the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: football up the way they used to. Now the routes
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: aren't the same. Now the game has evolved so much.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Talk about the game and how you see it now
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: compared to when you play.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, like I said, man, the quarterbacks are a
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: lot smarter.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: They are highly protected.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: I mean that is the prize on the field, so
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: to speak, Like, yeah, they have their moments when they're
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: not playing great, but quarterbacks quickly fix those issues. Now
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: I can contribute a lot of things to them understanding
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: the game better a lot sooner, you know, there's more information.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: You know, there's.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Quarterbacks playing seven on seven at eight nine years old,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Like nobody really knew like who the quarterbacks.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Were when we were growing up.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: It was more yeah he could sling it, but you
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: don't really notice that till like high school. Right then
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: you start, you know, people start watching you and now
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: you're developing. Man, they got quarterback coaches coming out the womb.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: So it's one of those things. But you know, I
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: think the reason, you know, we made so many plays
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: back in the day compared to now is I just
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: feel like we had more versatility And it wasn't just
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: me myself, Charles Woodson, the bigger names.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can think of a lot of guys that.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Are aren't in the Hall of Fame that used to
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: make play dre BLYI I mean Aaron Glenn, I mean
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: t Buck, Like these dudes were ballers, made a lot
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: of plays, right because I feel like they were more
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: rail rounded athletes as well, as the game was a
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: little different. You know, quarterbacks, you know, were running play action.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: They trying to get the ball down the field. We're
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: picking it off quick game. It was easier to see.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: So the game is a little more complex, was a
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: little more complex. It's a little more complex now than
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: it was back then. But I feel like the athletes
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: that played corner, like I didn't play corner until really
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: til I got to college. I didn't play corner until
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I got to college. Even then, I didn't have a
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: coach teaching me technique. It was a technique that he
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: wanted for that defense, but it didn't translate to the NFL. Yeah,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: I learned corner by that by sitting under Dale Green
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: and having him pulled me to the side. That's who
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: taught me really how to play corner. And you got
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: to think we had balls skills. I was playing offense.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, Dia same thing. He played quarterback in high school,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: and so did I. Dale Green just well rounded track athlete,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: just one of those. Like so when you think about
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: all the different, you know, athletes that played corner, we
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: all did something else before we ever got outside the numbers,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Like it was just I felt like when you pull
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: that out, like when guys just start because all these corners,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: like my son just went to this under armour camp
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: the other day. All these dudes been specializing in corner
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: since probably middle school, and I'm like, well, you can't
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: just be that, like, continue to work on your hands,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: continue to understand the game from both sides, like, don't
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: just be one dimensional. So I often feel the game
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: has changed, but also the way corners approach the game
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: has changed as well.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I can agree with that. I think that was one
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: of my biggest assets, is playing receiver and recognizing and
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: understanding the route concepts, the combinations, knowing the West Coast
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and how it's like foundationally, like what the what the
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: offense is thinking in these situations third and five, Hey
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: and a bunch, Like this is the quarterbacks progression. He's
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: going this hook, this snack route to the flat. If
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you pull out and that corner sits on that, he
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: going to the seven. If you go back, he's going
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: to the flat. If he has man, he's going to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the front side to the to the ram concept, whereas
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: there's to sit and the drag. And I think that
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: helped me so much because, like you said, you you
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: didn't play till college. I didn't play U till I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: was junior. I didn't play corner until I was a
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: junior in college, and nobody really taught me how to play.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: So I just kind of use my knowledge of offense
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: to like put me in positions. But my pedal wasn't
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: great because I was never like a true like corner corner,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: you know, so I couldn't really like I'm six three
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: with big feet, I'm not about to sit in this
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: pedal and be able to transition the way a six
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: foot five eleven corner is gonna be able to who's
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: play corner for the last ten years is gonna be
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: able to transition. But I want to get to the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: same spots, So I would I would maneuver my body
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: in a way that I could put myself in position
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: to almost be a receiver at corner, Like hey, I'm
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: gonna put my body in a position where I'm about
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: to run this route for him, like I'm just gonna
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: bang get out of this break and then go get
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the ball, because that's the way I can still get
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: it covered. And I think that's another reason why my
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: game is a little more unorthodox to people, and it
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: didn't just look right on tape to people because they're like, man,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I want to see, like certain is the most beautiful
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: tape you gonna see. That boy's pure that if you
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: put him in nineteen seventy or put him in twenty
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: fifty seven, like the most pure tape you're gonna see
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: at corner.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And what I try to tell people too, is
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: there is no blueprint on how to play the cornerback position,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Like everybody has to make it their own. Like what
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: what you were good at, I probably wouldn't be as
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: good at. So you know, it's one of those It's
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: one of those positions where.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: You almost like, this is what Daryl Green did to me.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: He watched me practice I want to say, about a
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: week or two, and our coach would just tell us
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: to go over there and just talk and just you know,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: just talk about stuff, go go through stuff. So he
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the reason he watched me because he wanted to know
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: what how to teach me basically, like what what is
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: going to resonate with him to his game his length
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: because we were totally different body types. So he knew
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: that with my long arms it be it'd be beneficial
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: if I get my hands on people.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: He was never that guy.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: He was.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: He was a guy that's gonna stay in your hip pocket,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: stay on top of you. You can't run by him.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: He's that guy. So he took that part of my game,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: of of his game, and inserted into my game. So
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: that's when I learned, like understanding that hands are great
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: feet of better, Like if you start with your feet,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: then your hands will come. So but he didn't know
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: that until he really watched me. He could have went
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: up there and tried to teach me how he knows it,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: but that doesn't relate to me. Like, so every corner
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: got to figure out what works for them.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: There is no book. Now, there's some things that are constant.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Your feet, your footwork that's always going to be important,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: like how you move in your body position. I can't
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: teach you how to make picks, like you know, I'll
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: get you to the point where you're probably in position.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: But when it's time to make me play on that ball,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: that's you.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: That's the moment of truth.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: That's the moment of truth for sure. Like you either
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: make the player you don't. I don't care if you're
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: in a position, can you make the play? And that's
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: what you know, bottam blah.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Right. Thinking back to your days at Folkston and Georgia,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: when did it hit you that you were you were?
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: You were better than most of the people around you.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, that you were the ones.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I'm a running back at heart, Like I played running
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: back all through high school, even in you know, my well,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I played quarterback, but we were more like a running
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: back at quarterback.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: We didn't throw the ball.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: So my first carried in my life sixty yard touchdown.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: That's when I knew.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Seriously, hey, first touch sixty yards and I just really
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I was always faster. I had an older brother three
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: years older. I was always faster than everybody, and I
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: saw my brother do it, so everything he did I
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: kind of wanted to do too. So I had that
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: impression upon me, you know, in my house, like he
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: inspired me to want to get out there.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: But I also knew I was fast. I could run.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: I wasn't the fastest, but I was one of the fastest.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: But I was also tough, like so once I got
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: out there, man, and I just it was it was inevitable,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Like everybody just knew like, oh yeah, and then from
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: then on, when I was eight, I was probably the
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: most talked about athlete in my town all the way
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: through high school for the next eleven years, that's all
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: people talking to when dude, it was that's exactly. But
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: we were a football town, Like I'm talking about three
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: thousand people. You know, it's a very small town, so
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: everybody knows everybody and beneficial to me. That sort of
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: insulated me, like people protected me. So when I was
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: in the streets, it was, you know, I still found
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: ways to get in trouble, but at the same time,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: it wasn't.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Too harsh because people fought for me. So you know.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: So when I think back to that time, it's like, man,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I had the path laid out for me, but I
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: had to see my brother do it first. I think
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: if my brother didn't do it, I wouldn't be I
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: probably wouldn't be where I am now.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Like he kind of pulled me up, like pulled me up.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I was never going to be as fast as strong
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: as him until I became an adult.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: We went to college together and started together all.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: That, but still it wasn't until that point that I
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: knew I was bigger faster and stronger, and I had
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: a better a higher ceiling than he did. But again
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I always put him on that pedestale because I mean
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: without him, I wasn't going nowhere.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: That's crazy because I feel the same way about my brother,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: and he's three years above me. Like everything he did,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to be a little bit better at
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: what he did. Like I found myself. I wore the
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: number four because number four respectfully, like he was doing track.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: We never ran track in our lives. He started doing
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: long jumping, triple jump. I get to call I mean
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: high school. I'm like, I'm about to break his long
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: jump records, triple jump record. I just whatever he wanted
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: to do. That's what I'm what I'm on. That's funny.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: That's funny. When you were when you think about yourself
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: in your absolute prime and you you at the top
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: of your game, is there a certain game or play.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, you got that hundred yard pick six against
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: the Patriots that that's one of those plays that I
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: want to ask you. That's Ben Watson's claim the fame.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: But is there a play that sticks out in your
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: mind as like our game where you, like, man, I
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: was just in that zone. It just everything went right.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: There, probably against Arizona.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: It was just a game.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: It felt like I was out there floating, like it
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: was just I just knew everything that was coming. I
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: think I had had two picks in that game. It
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: was maybe my first or second year in Denver. That
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: was just hot, like everything was sticking to me.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Ball come my way down. Pick. Yeah, it was either
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: ten or the eight.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: It was back to back seasons, so it was either
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: five or six it was. I can't remember what year
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: it was, but I just remember that game because I
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: stole a pick from John Lynch. H I mean, I'm
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I wasn't even supposed to be there and balls selling.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I think it was Matt Lioner or somebody throwing the ball,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: I can't remember, and I just jumped up on it.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Lynches right there and he just he was so mad.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: But it was just one of them.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: I picked a slant right in front of An Kwan
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: like it was just one of those games. Man. I
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: just I was on fire, and that's there was a
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: few games like that. We played the Saints once and
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Drew Brees let us up for about four to sixty.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: I'll never forget because it was just bombs away. But
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: he didn't do anything against me. And I always knew
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: that when I played Drew Brees, he wasn't gonna try me.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: He was just one of those like he is just
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: not going there, and he did not go there the
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: whole He threw one ball at me and I broke
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: it up and he never came back the rest of
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: the day.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: But he ate us, He ate everybody else, So he
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: was killing us that day.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: But we still won the game nevertheless, Right, But it
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: was just just moments. I'm sure there's more games, but
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: that those two seasons though, oh my god, like it
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: was just it wasn't easy, but it wasn't I made
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: it look easy.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I love that. That's how that's probably my twelve and
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: thirteen when because you had eighteen of those two, I
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: had sixteen. I had eight and eighty back to back,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: and it just everything that you touched her in the gold.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I remember, I think I had a month where I
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: had six, like a November where I just I had
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: two picks, two picks, two picks. I was like, y'all
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: better stop playing with me. I figured it out.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there was you know, there was one
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: damn dog. Now you reminded me of stuff. There was
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: one stat where I had like five straight picks in
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: the red zone or something. Oh no, it was five
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: straight games with a pick to start the season, and
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: then I had like five in the red zone or something.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: It was just weird, like that's never been done or something.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, you know really, you know, I'm just
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: out there playing ball, Like I had no idea, but
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I just felt like so on top of my game,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: like you just couldn't fool me with anything. And you know,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I had Shanahan at the time, and he was just
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: a players coach, like really laid back but intense at
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: the same time, all about practice. So he favored everything
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: that I was good at practice, you know, being on time,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: good teammate, you know, not very vocally, but a leader,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: you know, like it's he he was. He was by
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: far my favorite coach because of how he allowed me
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: to be me.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Kyle. Kyle is very similar. Everything just got you. Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: We went to the Super Bowl in nineteen and I
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: had an all Pro season that season, and that was
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: that was late in the career after the achilles after
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I tore my achilles and you talk about having a
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: gesture game, like after you look, I would I was five.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you did that. I don't know
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: how you did that. I'm just like, oh, he's done.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: What Achilles at corner.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I gotta give you a lot of credit for even
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: trying to come back.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: God, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. It was it
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: was tough. It was tough, but it was just all
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: mental at that point, Like it was all like you
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: talk about knowing what's going on in front of you,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: knowing what's coming, knowing where I could put myself in
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: positions I can be in, knowing stuff I can't get.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Look if he stutter his feet right here and it
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: ain't a curl. If I break, I'm done. So look,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I know that feeling. You got one, lad, you got one.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Guess you either gonna go deep or you stopping here.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: It's not one of the other, it's not both. I'm
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: not from top. I know that feeling, man, I know
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: that feeling. That's how it was when I hurt my
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: foot and I came back.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I never get that first game I tried to come back,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh no, I don't feel it like
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: I felt good working out during the week and I
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: tried to come back. Man, I missed two more games
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: after that. I was like, I'm not trying to step
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: on that field till my mind is right, Like I
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: have no confidence in my foot.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: That shit is. It's crippling as a as a player
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: when you know your body can move a certain way
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: when you when you out there disabled and you ain't
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: got the explosiveness and the things that are usually at
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: your at your discretion.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Boy, Nah, it's nothing like when you get old and
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: then you get hurt, and then it's already bad enough
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: because I'm older now now I got to try to
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: fight through this injury. Man, that shit, it just hurts
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: your mind, Like how do I trick myself into being ready? Like,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, think about it the year y'all want a
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl when y'all beat us, Dude.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel it at the time.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: But when I reflect on that game, that was the
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: last game of my career. But when I reflect on
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: that game, I was like I should not have been
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: out there, Like I shouldn't been starting.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I probably could have played twenty snaps.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: But not fifty.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Like there was no one like what am.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I doing, but the competitor in you.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would never be real with myself because I
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: just not at the time, like now, I was like yeah,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: But at the time, I'm just thinking like, yeah, I'm
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: pushing through this, this is I feel good. I'm hell no,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: what am I doing? Chris Harris got hurt, it was over.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, damn. At the moment, I was like, damn, damn,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I can't damn. Chris got hurt at the wrong time
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: because it was the playoff game before the championship game,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, here am back in
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: the starting lineup. I'm like, man, I'm not equipped for
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: sixty plays anymore. It's just not me. Like twenty plays.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: I got you, But no, I should not have been starting.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: But you don't have it in you to quit. You
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: don't have it in you to say no.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: It's and that's that's the good and the bad of it, right, Like,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: you know, that's the reason I was who I was.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: But man, you know people often asked, do I am
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: I mad? I never moved to safety. I'm like, not really,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: because there's only a lot of a few of us
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: that can say we only did corner you know, it's
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: only a few, and I'm like, I'm one of them,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: so I'm gonna I'm gonna be prideful about that.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: And Darn Green's very good at reminding everybody. Yo, Yeah,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: y'all suckers went and played safety.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: You know, It's just one of them things we get
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: jab at the guys that prolonged their career by moving
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: like and I get it, like I saw D'Angelo Hall
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, Charles Woolson did it the best.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's I wanted to do it, but I
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: just never did. Nobody put it in front of me,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: nobody said it, and I never lobby before it.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: So but I still think that's the reason the Woodson's
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: don't get. They just do at corner. I think that's
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the biggest reason people don't give like when they say
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: the best corner to ever play. They you know, they
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: talk about you, they talk about Prime, they talk about
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: you know, all these guys. But Charles Woodson and Darrel Would,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I mean and Rod Woodson were in that conversation, but
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: they moved to safety and got so many picks and
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: became almost known for that kind of versatility that people
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: are like, oh, they just DB's they not just corners,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Here's my take on the young Woodson, Charles Woodson, and
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: you I would say Rod Woodson is right behind him.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Charles Woodson is the best d d's who ever played
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: the game. Like when you talk about top to bottom,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: what it takes, tackling, taking the ball away, man, the man,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: he did all that at a high cliff. I don't
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: care if he played safety, like, but when you talk
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: about his body of work and what he did, what did.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: He played eighteen seasons? I mean the dude.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: I mean he started his career. I think he was
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: in a holdout and I think he got hurt his
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: rookie year or something, maybe a second year somewhere down
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: the road he got hurt. So he's dealt with all
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: this stuff and still put the best dB campaign I've
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: ever seen on tape. Like he I mean, you got
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: to think I modeled mysel. I was a year behind him.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: He played both ways in college, so did I. So
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: I tried to do everything better than him.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: But it was to keep the dude.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Every week, Like the year he won Defensive Player.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Of the Year, he just just picked six picks, like God,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: damn man. Next thing, you know, he's at sixty picks
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: and then I retire and he's still playing.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, god, like, come on, man, season, Oh
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: my god.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I mean the pick he had against the Broncos when
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: he jumped and it was right over Damaris Thomas and
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: and he landed on his back. I think it's one
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: of the sweet picks I've ever seen. And I'm like,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: how was he doing that at ninety years old? Like
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: what is going on? The dude was just eating right, man?
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: And he's a football god, Like, I mean, I put
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: him on a pedestal, like hands down complete defensive back.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Charles Woodson The best album YEP.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Agreed, Agreed, not even a discussion, like it's just pure
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: you talk about just what you were talking about earlier
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: of just football players, Like he's just a football player.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: You put him on the field, he's gonna play football.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna make plays, he's gonna be around
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: the ball, he's gonna take it. He's gonna beat football players,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: whether it's safety, corner. You really don't know what position
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: yet because he out there playing football.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: But yeah, and you can't and you can't tell people
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: watch him, no, because the way he did it. I
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: remember when I started playing inside and he had been
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: playing inside for a while, and I'm like, man, this
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: ship is not as easy as he makes it look like.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: I think he just is is mindset. And then he
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: just got this relentless attack to go get the ball.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, come on, man.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I remember we went to the Pro Bowl together and
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: we were sitting there talking because he was my idol.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: He was the one I was like, man, I got
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: to be like Charles Woodson. I want to do everything
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: he did. Like you said, it's way harder than it seems.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: But he used to talk about like, hey, just make
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the game easy for yourself. Make it like your corner
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that has no athleticism. You just need to watch the game.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: You need to understand every concept. You need to understand
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: what they're doing, like you got no athleticism and still
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: be able to make those plays. And that's the way
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I played it. But he told me, he was like,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: the way I attack the ball is when I'm going
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: to tackle, I know they not leaving without it. Yeah,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: he said, So when I go in there, I'm grabbing
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: the ball, and if they leave without it, then it's
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: staying with me and you can go wherever you want
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: to go, but you're not leaving without the football. And
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: if I do that most times, that's four or five
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: force fumbles a year. That's two or three interceptions. That's
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I said, Charles, you making that sound way easier than
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: it is. But that's a simple way.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: And you sound like the typical young guy trying to
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: get some real nuggets. But you know, but on the
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: flip side, he can't explain how he's doing it. And
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: I remember young boy young corners used to ask me
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: all the time.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Like how do you drive on that dig? How you
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: do this? Do that? Like, Bro, it's just experience.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Like I can't really tell you what's gonna happen all
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: the time. I just I can watch film. I can
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: identify tendencies. But when I'm out there and I've got
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: the body of experience that I have behind me, that's
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: what enables me to break on this the way I
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: do and see things coming before it happens.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Like I can't, I can't really tell you.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Let's just be very good with what you know and
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: the hope you get enough experience to be great. You know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: when you really got that knowledge because it was just
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I see young corners. Now, if you don't understand football,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: it's harder for you. Like you, you gotta understand football,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: and football is not a complicated game. We make it complicated,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: we do because we're trying to trick one another. But
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: it's really not complicated. Like if you the corner, stay
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: outside the run, play, don't.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Cut it, make it cut back, you know what I mean?
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: But I see a lot of corners chasing from inside
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: out and it's it's it's it's weird because they need
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: to have that experience in order to then be good
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: know what they're doing.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the only way you teach yourself.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: What what? So I want to this is for young
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: guys out there. I want you to explain during your
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: prime and everything's going your way, this is Champ, Champ,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: what did a week look like for you in your
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: prime as a number one corner and like how much film,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: how much off the field stuff taking care of your
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: body or was it just natural ability?
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I know you say you practiced, are ninety percent natural?
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: H Honestly, I didn't really start like doing extra stuff
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: like as far as you know, just just core and
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: things like that. Still, I started getting the soft tissue injuries.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: I always, you know, dealt with something maybe an ankle
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: here or there. But like I said, I never missed
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: a game until my sixth year in the league. So
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: that's when that all kind of started coming about because
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I used to watch John Letch do it. He was
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: on his way out the league, and he would do
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: all these little extra things, core, all this stuff, you know,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: just just body maintenance. And I didn't adopt that until
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: after he left. Before that, like when those years when
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I was really doing it, maybe from my fourth year,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: maybe maybe my third year, all the way to about
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: my eighth and ninth year, it was just a lot
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: of film, you know. But I always practice hard, you know.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I never took days off. It was just one of
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: those things I prouded myself just being present, like just
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: being there, just making sure I keep putting in the work.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: The film was the film.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: We watched film in the meeting room, but I'm watching
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: twice as much at home, you know. So it's it
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: was always that I didn't do a lot of the
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: chiropractice and all that, Like I just didn't. I don't
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: know why I didn't take a lot of like supplements
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: or anything. For one, some guys would get popped for
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: supplements and I don't know if it was intentional or accident,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: but they would say it was an accident.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: So I was always afraid of it.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: So and I proud of myself on not putting too
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: many toxins in my body. Yeah, I would have a
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: drink here and there, but other than that, I wouldn't
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: do a whole lot. So it was that's just who
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: I was. I was a football junkie, like I loved
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: the game, and I honestly think that mindset is what
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: translated on the field, and that's what you saw and
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: somebody who just loved being out there. You got to
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: think my whole life, I would never be on the
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: sideline until I got to college my first two years
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: and then I ended up playing more offense, and I
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: was never on the sideline again. Then I got to
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: the league and I had that same mindset. So I
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: played some offense in Washington, I played some in Denver.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: So I always was just a football junkie. I wanted
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: to be on the field. That's what I knew. And
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: it didn't take a lot of extra stuff to get
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: me ready for a game.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: And now when I look back, I wish I would
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: have done more.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Maybe I would have played eighteen nineteen instead of fifteen
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: fifteen is enough, don't get me wrong, especially right at corner.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: But you know, that's just who I was. I didn't
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: try to overthink the process. And I saw guys doing
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: a lot, and you know a lot of them were
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: marginal players.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: So I was like.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Thinking, like that might be what's keeping them here, you
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: So it is what it is.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Everybody has to figure out what works for them. It's
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: no different from playing the game. We'll find out what
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: works for you. There's so much you can take from grades,
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: but it still has to work for you. And that's
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: just who I was.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: It's so cool to hear you talk about the things
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: on the field because it is something about being on
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: that field on game day and certain things. It just
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: makes sense. It's like a puzzle piece is fitting together,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: like when you at the line, like oh, his mannerisms,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Oh he's about to run a deep ball, Like oh,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: he's way too excited right now, Like oh I could
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: this is I feel him. I feel where we're going
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: right now. I feel yeah, okay, let's go.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Let's dance then, Like when we used when we used
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: to play the Steelers, they had man, they used to
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: have so many tails, and it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Was just it was basically because they had Ben.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Roethlisberger and he was just he just had a cannon
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: like he could fit balls in any any space. And
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: they kept their offense basic. Every time it was a
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Mike Wallace. Every time he lined up inside, he's going deep.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: So it was just like it was like so predictable,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: but it was still hard to hell to stop. So
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: so it's just you know, you get a feel for
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: all that, and sometimes teams ain't trying to trick you,
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: so you just got to get a feel for it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Like if it feel like if it walked like a duck,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: quack like a duck, it's not a chicken, trusted, trusted, and.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: They don't to trick themselves either, So it is what
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: That that was so and you talked about not getting
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: targeted with with with Drew Brees, That's how it was
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: with Aaron and Tom with me, like we get out
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: there and Aaron and everything he put me on, they
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: be on the backside, have a receiver he wouldn't even
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: signal a route to him. I'll be like, is he
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: gonna signal it to you? I'm waiting for it, because
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: it's either this, he's gonna wrap, scratch his back, he's
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: gonna scratch his face. He's gonna do with that. I
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: know the routes. He needs to signal you something, so
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: they just run jog or go route and I'll be like, okay.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: So you just it's funny you say that.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: You y'all were playing Green Bay, and I swear Aaron
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Rodgers didn't look over that one time. He might have,
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: he might have peeked over there and went back the
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: other way, but he never looked over there one time.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: And I never played against Aaron Rodgers except once in
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: the preseason, and he and he during the play, I
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: think they may have played it.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Walking down the field.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: He was like, you think you're getting some balls today,
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: You're not getting nothing, you know, and basically just kind
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: of messing with me because he knows not the target there.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: And I never get you played, Tom Brady. I mean,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: you talking all kinds of ship during the game, pre game,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: post game. I'm sure it was a lot of fire,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: but I never get he threw that one up and
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: you picked it like damn, he got one ball.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: And got a pick.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: But no, that's but that's how when when you're on
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: top of your game, that's what happens. Man, and you
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: you it was just perfect because I was watching you closely,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: because you were just making plays. I'm like, see what
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: this dude doing. Oh damn, Aaron Ros not even gonna
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: give him a chance. Next week, here go Tom Brady.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: He don't even give you a chance, one chance, and
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: you pick him like, man, it's still the real deal.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: It means so much that you watch me. Man, you
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: have no idea that means so much to me.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Come on, man, super Bowl champion.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: You you the accolades, I mean, College Hall of Fame,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: NFL Hall of Fame. Just one of the best and
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: most gifted to ever do it. And it's just like
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: when you I certain guys on tape, like you said,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: everybody got their unique skill sets. I couldn't move like
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: you moved. You know what I mean if I wanted to,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I couldn't do with you different. Man, It's all different.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: But I can make the plays. I can still get
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: my hands on the football. I could take it away
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I can make the kind of impact that you were making.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: And that's the way I try to factor it in
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: for myself, like, hey, I don't have to be like
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: them to make the plays that they're making. See what
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: they're seeing, recognize it, trigger like they're triggering, get to
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: the spot that they're getting to, and catch the football
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: when it gets in your hands. That's the big part
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: of this game that's changing. Like even these elite corners
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: that's getting paid all this money, there's so many of them,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: and they're doing a great job. They're covering, they knocking
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: the ball down there in great position. But you look
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: at them. McDuffie just got paid thirty one million dollars
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: a year, three career picks, like Sauce got thirty million
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: dollars whatever he got, I think he got too. Yeah,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: but they're just not catching like you were saying earlier,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Like they're just not catching. It's not like they're not
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: getting position, they're not making plays, they're playing great defense. Yeah,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: they're just not catching them like they used to. And
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: then on top of that, these quarterbacks are risk averse.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: They're worried about their efficiency numbers. They don't want to
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: be getting killed on Twitter because they back in the
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: day they throw five interceptions three touchdowns long as they
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: won the game. It's good. Now you throw five interceptions
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: three touchdowns, even if you win, they gonna they're gonna
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: be killing you talking about hey, you stink and you
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: bad and social media is gonna kill you.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: So damn.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: That's a whole other element that I didn't really think about. Yeah,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: the criticism is there, and it's fast, it's nast.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: And that's the part that I don't think gets enough
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: credit about just playing in this era with all the
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: analytics and all that. Like, people were scrutinizing my game
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: to the point where they're like, he gave up two
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: catches to this, and it gave up three catches to this.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: And it's like you we watching every clip and every
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: posture and everything in my game, and then you look
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: up and it's like, for my career, I gave up
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: forty nine point eight percent of the pass its thrown
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: my way. I had thirty seven interceptions and gave up
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: sixteen touchdo It's like, yeah, that's what it is. You know,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: it ain't.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: You know anybody would live with those steps. Come on, you.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Gotta gotta live with them if you were, if you
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: were building a perfect dB. What are some non negotiable
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: What are three non negotiable traits? They gotta have.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: One confidence.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Stream, confidence, athleticism and playmaking ability.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: You know, it's one thing to shut somebody down and
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: not let them catch it, but you gotta make plays.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Like I'm all about the playmaking, right, And you know,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: I heard Sante Samuel talk about, you know, him making
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of plays.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with him on one hand.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Man, Look, you got a lot of picks that's got
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: to be respected.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: It's hard to take that ball away.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Now he's a little younger than me and he but
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: he played in my era and you know, it's definitely different.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: But again, like I think he would still make plays
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: today if he was in his prime. So I give
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: him a lot of credit for bringing that up because
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: I don't want people to think, you know, that it's
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: all about picks. But at the same time, man, that
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: is highly important to me. Like, but without confidence and athleticism,
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: you ain't making no plays anyway. So give me that first,
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: and then the play making the ability to be a
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: close third.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why they don't give it because why
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: they don't give him credit, don't I really don't understand that.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Like he got over fifty picks, he didn't give up
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: over twenty five touchdown. I think he might have gave
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: up twenty five twenty six. It wasn't like the way
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: they show his picture and the way they talked about
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: the Sante Samder, like he had fifty one interceptions and
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: he gave him fifty touchdowns like that.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: That he's loud. It's just because he's loud. So I mean,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: he says what he's what's on his mind. People don't
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: like that. You know, It's just it is what it is.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, he had a great career. Now is he
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: better than Prome? No, I would say no. But you know,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: at the same time, I'm gonna listen to his argument
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: because I know he was a high level corner, Like
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: the dude was one of the best, so you know,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: so I'm gonna listen to what he gotta say and
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: give him that respect because what he did wasn't easy,
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: and you know, it's it's one of those things. Man,
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: he made his career off taking the ball away and
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: he was one of the best to do it.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I agree with that, and I think
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: that's that's something that got to be valued. I would
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: like his name to be mentioned in the Hall of Fame,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: you know, even if he get in fifteen years later.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, during the time where it's hard
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: to take the ball away, he took it away and
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: he played that gambling game where he have two pick
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: sixes and give up a touchdown. And if you if
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: you're a corner, I'm living with that.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: If I didn't have two pick sixes and I gave
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: up one of the yeah.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Give me that.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: I'll take that to take that all day.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Right. Who do you think during your time you played
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: against some of the greatest You talked about Mike Irvin,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: who was the greatest receiver that you played against?
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: And it don't want to be a big name, oh man,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: you know, well, it is a big name.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: I would say Randy was the most talented.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: To o right there nipping at his heels Marvin Harrison
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: because he had Peyton manning and he was still talented
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: as hell, but you know, Peyton made it even harder.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: And I like to mention guys that you know, you
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: don't really think about, like Jimmy Smith, like straight dog
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: like he was. He's just one of those guys.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: When it was third down and eight and they needed it,
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: he's getting the first down like and I thought I
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: could stop him, but I didn't. You know, from time
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: to time he catched that ball. But you know, it's
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: just he's just one of those guys that get you know,
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: sort of lost.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Steve Smith another good one, straight doll.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: But it's hard to take my off Randy t O
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Marvin because I saw him a lot and often and
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: they were problems, right.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: That's that's how it was with me, Julio, some dogs,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Mega Tron, Mega Tron broj Oh my god. J don't
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: get enough credit. No, but when you get out there
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: with Megatron and you see some of the stuff that
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: he's putting on tape, you see three guys freaking guarding him,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: he just up all three and you're like.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to deal with him. I was a
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: little older, but he definitely got gave me problems. I'll
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: tell you that, because he's all six six, unning, all
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: the fast. I don't even know now, I don't even
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: know why he's a receiver. He should have been a quarterback,
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: tight end or something. I mean edge rusher coming up today,
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: he would have been an edge rusher, no doubt.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: No doubt about. It would have been making one hundred
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars. It was illegal illegal, it's you.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: You got to play with Peyton. Sorry, I just keep
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: you got to Peyton during that crazy year you played
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: against him as an opponent. How crazy was it to
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: watch him have that record set in season as part
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: of that team like that just it just looked like.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Especially it was unreal, bro, it was. It was just
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: crazy because he was just on point.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: And people forget like we had weapons too, like E's Onou,
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: Wes Welker, Uh Thomas Jack Bubba Callwell Eric Decker, like
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: we had some some players, but you know, he was
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: just on point and they worked like he put the
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: work in. I think he was really hungry trying to
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: get that that next championship. But you know, unfortunately he
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: didn't have a defense to match that year. But they
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: had a historical offensive season. I mean it was just
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: one of those like they were just on point and
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: catching everybody off guard, and it was it was beautiful
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: to watch.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember us watching it on tape preparing for
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: that game, and it was your It's like they were
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: running people off the field. They were literally running people
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: off the field every game, like corner. You know, people
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: getting up to the line, they don't they don't know
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: what play they run, and they can't communicate. And Peyton's
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: just in there, surgical.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll outthink anybody. So you know, you got to
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: find a way to get to him. If you can
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: get to him, then then you can create problems for him.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: But man, when he was on and he's in that
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: pocket clean, nobody's better, right, Look.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: That look a couple of years later, they made up
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: for it when he won it his best that defense,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: That defense carried him to a championship and deserved.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: But that's that's what wins championship. Stops you get stops
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: you win, period. I don't care how many points you scored.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: You gotta get stops. And if you can, if you
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: can create rek havoc on defense and create problems for
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: the offense, yeah, nobody's being yeah, because it's it's hard
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: as hell.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: To stop people.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: So when you do it, it's it's demoralizing.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: It is, And then every year you see it, it's
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: some great defense should up in the Super Bowl. Beating
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: the hell out of somebody, and they're like, oh my god,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: defense wins championship, Like y'all did not see Have y'all
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: not watched the history of this game? Y'all? Just like
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: seemed like every year y'all just realized that defense wins
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: championships In the Super.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Bowl, Yeah, that's all it is. I mean, I'll never
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: say anything different. You know, even though this league is
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: geared towards making the offenses great, it's all about defense.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: It's and that's why the Broncos are gonna be a
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: problem for a while.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: They keep that defense the way it is.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: I don't care what they do on offense, they always
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: gonna have a shot and Seattle as well, your old
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: stomping ground.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Them boys are good man.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: They play They play a solid Brandon defense. So did
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: you see that debate was having the best defense ever?
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: That no flies on leading the boom thing?
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So who's who's.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Your best DP? The not just include those two, but
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: who's the best defense that you've ever seen play? Are
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: your top five? I guess?
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Oh that Ravens defense in two thousand was stick, Now
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: I did? I am old enough to remember the eighty
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: five Bears. So so we will.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Say that you put them in there.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: It's hard to rank them, but I'll throw a few
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: in there. That Broncos defense for sure, y'all defense for
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: of course, in three.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Or four years.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, Jesus Christ, it was a problem.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Let me think, who am I missing? Hold on?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Hold on that that that one. I can't ignore it.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: They have some talent on that defense. You gotta think, like, yeah,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: I ain't going that far back. I'm gonna try to
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: say it because only because I didn't see it. But
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: that two thousand Tampa defense, I mean, you got you're
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: talking about John Lynch, Rende Barber, Warren Sap, Derrick Brooks,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: same and Rice I mean, Booger McFarland.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, they were stacked.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, and that was I was pretty much raised
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: by them. They put us out the playoffs my rookie year.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: But damn, I mean it's I would I would live
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: with that five I just mentioned. I mean, I'm sure
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: there's another one in there that I'm forgetting, but man,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: it wasn't much better defense than that.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: And I wasn't part of any of them. So all good.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: Man, Look, I had thirteen decoordinators in my career. So
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you, tell you what I was exposed to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: for the most part.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: That's it's so tough to play great defense with all that. Like,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: how many different schemes did you play in?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: I played three four four three, I mean, I mean everything, dog,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: you name it.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: We played it like I was doing everything.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, we played a lot of man, a lot
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: of song one year, like, I mean, it was just
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: it was everything. And I played with a lot of
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: greats too though, So you know, I got no complaints
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: about my career. It's just you know, I was never
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: on a great defense like I had. We had great moments,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: but not as a as a whole. Nah.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Never. Now to finish off, I gotta talk about your
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: off the field and your off the field passions. And
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: obviously you're in the film industry, Like after you got
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: done playing, what did your mind go to and how
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: did you end up getting into film?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Well, just through my connections, just so you know, the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: writer director Glenn Owen as a Georgia guy.
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  Speaker 2: He played basketball at Georgia.
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  Speaker 3: He was a walk on there before I got there,
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  Speaker 3: so a little older than me, and he just he
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  Speaker 3: convinced me to get involved, and it was something that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if I was going to do something out
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  Speaker 3: of the ordinary for myself, it had to be with
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  Speaker 3: somebody I cared about it, somebody you know, I could
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  Speaker 3: relate to, and he was one of those guys. So
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  Speaker 3: I've been doing that. That's the first feature film I've done.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing a lot of like consulting work, basically working
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  Speaker 3: with companies. And I found myself at the damn State
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  Speaker 3: Capitol a lot because of my bulldog connections. You know,
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  Speaker 3: all the politicians bulldogs, right, So it's you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: a different conversation when I walk in the room, you
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  Speaker 3: know than the typical lobbyist walks in the room. So
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  Speaker 3: you know, so I find myself doing that with this
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  Speaker 3: medical cannabis company, peach State Health Plan, which is an
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  Speaker 3: insurance company, and oakysinok Swamp Park, which is a park
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  Speaker 3: by my hometown. So I do a lot of Georgia
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  Speaker 3: based stuff because you know, that's one thing I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to do is come back home and really tap into
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  Speaker 3: this network. And it's been beautiful, man, and I just
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  Speaker 3: kind of do deals. Now I will reveal something that
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  Speaker 3: I missed out on. You probably not even aware, but.
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  Speaker 1: But maybe you are.
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  Speaker 3: So Prize Picks just sold for like a couple of
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  Speaker 3: billion dollars, right, and the founder big bulldog fan. Right,
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  Speaker 3: he gave me the opportunity to invest, and I missed
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  Speaker 3: and I passed on it, and they just sold it.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that's how I felt yesterday when.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody told me. I was like, yea, and the guy
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  Speaker 3: I love the guy like he was. He was a
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  Speaker 3: great dude, like sharp about where he wanted to take
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  Speaker 3: the company. And it wasn't until I saw those commercials
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, damn, I guess he took in big money.
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  Speaker 3: So and then a couple of years later, here he
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  Speaker 3: is selling it for a couple of billion dollars.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, man, come.
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  Speaker 1: On, when people approach you with deals like that is it?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm don't mean to getting your finances, but I
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  Speaker 1: just want to educate young dudes or young viewers that
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  Speaker 1: might be watching about different ways you can approach endorsement deals.
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  Speaker 1: Do they ask you to invest your capital or are
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  Speaker 1: you selling like, hey, I endorse this with name and likeness,
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  Speaker 1: and you give me a certain amount of equity and
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  Speaker 1: shares to be a part of this company.
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  Speaker 3: Well, as you know, most people think it's money, right,
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  Speaker 3: Most people want money, And I'm always like, well, I
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  Speaker 3: like your brand, I like your company or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: I can help you, but I ain't giving you money.
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  Speaker 3: Like I bring value in other ways, Like I can
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  Speaker 3: introduce you to people.
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  Speaker 2: I got a strong network.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I could do this or that, but a
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  Speaker 3: lot of times people need money, so that conversation can't
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  Speaker 3: be ignored.
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  Speaker 2: But I can often help you get the money.
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  Speaker 3: Right, like it doesn't always have to come out of
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  Speaker 3: my bank account. And I had to kind of learn
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  Speaker 3: that because you know, as you when you retire, you realize, damn,
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  Speaker 3: I missed out on a lot. Yeah, so my mind
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  Speaker 3: was never about anything outside of the game. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I wish it was, but it wasn't. I wasn't raised
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  Speaker 3: like that. I just focused on what I was doing.
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  Speaker 3: But then now I realize my impact is much stronger
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  Speaker 3: than what football tells you.
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  Speaker 2: Like, when you're playing, everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Sees you, so that's probably the most popular you're going
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  Speaker 3: to be. But when you retire and kind of go
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  Speaker 3: back into your and fall back into your like network,
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  Speaker 3: you realize that value exists in a different kind of way.
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  Speaker 3: And what matters now is how how I used to
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  Speaker 3: treat people when I was in school. Like what matters
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  Speaker 3: now is how I've treated people when I would come
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  Speaker 3: back home to Georgia. Like because I live here now
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  Speaker 3: now people can tell me about those experiences and it's
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  Speaker 3: not a negative experience for them, And I'm like, damn, well,
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  Speaker 3: that was just half the battle right now, I just
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  Speaker 3: need to get smarter about what the hell I'm doing,
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  Speaker 3: you know. So you know, your strong network and building
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  Speaker 3: bridges is really what propelled me to get all these opportunities.
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  Speaker 3: Now I'm looking at one or two deals every week,
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  Speaker 3: like there's always something I'm I'm I got a good
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  Speaker 3: group of people around me in different pockets.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's good at something, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So it's you know, I try to keep myself flexible
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  Speaker 3: and not fill up my schedule too much. But at
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  Speaker 3: the same time, I love what I'm doing because I'm
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  Speaker 3: connecting people and I'm in rooms I want to be
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  Speaker 3: in and things like that. But it wasn't it didn't
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  Speaker 3: start out that way. I kind of had to get there.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, when I look at deals, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 3: figure out how to get in this deal without writing
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  Speaker 3: a check first, But everybody coming they're already thinking about
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  Speaker 3: how much I can write a check for, So right,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta fight that battle a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: See, that's one thing I'll say in my career that
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  Speaker 1: I was very cognizant of is using my brand as
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  Speaker 1: my as my capital. And if I'm sitting here saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna endorse this young fledgling company, then hey, you
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  Speaker 1: give me I don't know, fifty five thousand shares, which
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  Speaker 1: is half a percent of your company, and I will
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  Speaker 1: sit on the board and introduce you to all these
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  Speaker 1: people I'm sitting in the meetings with you to get
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  Speaker 1: you the capital that you desire because my name and
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  Speaker 1: Mike gives you credibility, like having Champ Bailey associated with it,
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  Speaker 1: having Richard Truman associated with it, gives you credibility to
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  Speaker 1: get these rooms that you couldn't necessarily get into, these
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  Speaker 1: conversations you couldn't necessarily get into without these names associated
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  Speaker 1: with it. So that is value that's more than the
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  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars or one hundred fifty thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna invest in your company. This is so
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  Speaker 1: you give me those shares for me to make that impact.
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  Speaker 1: That's the same kind of impact. Appreciate you, Appreciate you, jamp.
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  Speaker 1: This went home. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciated.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed this for you.
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  Speaker 2: Man anything, I appreciate what you've done for me.
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  Speaker 3: Man, I reached out to you, and you ain't hesitate
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  Speaker 3: one bit to reach back out and provide me what
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  Speaker 3: I asked for. All I need now, all I need
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  Speaker 3: now is my Richard Sherman jersey and we'll be good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you a text. You send me the address,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be in the mail.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it. I appreciate sending my champ. I want.
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  Speaker 1: I want the Denver one.
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  Speaker 3: Don't worry when you when you send me my yoster,
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  Speaker 3: you'll get yours.