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- Sunita(00:00:07 - 00:00:39): You are about to opt in to >Monerotopia, a show for the Monero community where all are welcome to join From noob to maxi no matter what bags you hold Just sit back and relax to the sweet sounds of Monero's latest progress Or if you're feeling inspired join us on stage Remember the only thing that can stop Monero is a false belief that it can be stopped And if you want to win the revolution faster, we recommend you remove your XMR from all custodial exchanges immediately Warning, boating accidents are common around here. Don't forget to properly secure your private keys Sunita(00:00:40 - 00:00:42): >Monerotopia starts now Doug(00:00:44 - 00:00:51): Hop the f***er Hey Tony How you doing? What's going on? How you doing? Tony(00:00:51 - 00:01:02): Good, I'm excited for 2024 I wish people not only happen a year but I also wish them to be stronger Because we don't know what's going to happen in this year, is it going to be a good year? Tony(00:01:03 - 00:01:15): We're probably going to have more wars, things will probably get worse from the government We may have a new section which we're going to say the CBC is officially here in the US Maybe it's going to be this year Doug(00:01:16 - 00:01:37): Things are ramping up, right Tony? I feel like Mineros on the front lines Right? Mineros is definitely in the crosshairs Which is where we want to be Yes, exactly That's the whole point of doing this Exactly Thanks for taking over today, man Tony(00:01:37 - 00:01:41): No, thank you honestly I'm excited Doug(00:01:41 - 00:01:54): We haven't had enough Tony recently I know you've been a busy guy, but you never left us, you always stuck around I know you had a lot of things going on, so I appreciate you sticking around And now stepping up to help us out Tony(00:01:54 - 00:02:05): No, for sure, 2023 has been kind of crazy and I was all over the place Now I got my Saturdays back, my schedule back And I'm going to be able to do it Doug(00:02:05 - 00:02:09): So you'll be pretty consistent with jumping on on Saturdays, fantastic Tony(00:02:09 - 00:02:18): Yeah, starting now, yeah I love you guys, I love the show, so I never wanted to Even if I couldn't, I always wanted to stick around and help some Thank you, man Doug(00:02:18 - 00:02:30): So what's been kind of your take on things this year, 2023? How do you feel about Mineros these days? How do I feel about Mineros? Project, what not? Doug(00:02:30 - 00:02:33): Just curious what your overall outlook is Tony(00:02:33 - 00:03:05): Yeah, so is interesting how in the beginning of 2023 When we would go over the new section, some things that we were talking about Actually, it kind of came true at the end of 2023 Like for example, we were talking about how in the beginning We were talking about Nigeria and how the Enaira, their CBDC Doesn't have a lot of usage at all And then we were talking about how they're going to get coarsed eventually To use it more And towards the end, that's what kind of happened The government is trying to make them use the CBDC more and more Tony(00:03:05 - 00:03:38): So it's kind of interesting how, and that's what I like That's what I love about the new section is that we discuss things We kind of prophesize in the future and they really come true And people will maybe think that we're crazy But then we can just go back a couple of months ago in the new section And see what we said Check the record Yeah, check the record And then also when I read a book from maybe some of you know From Michel Van Lostardan So Michel Van Lostardan was used to be a prophet, a medic from the 16th century And he made a lot of predictions all the way through the year 7000 Tony(00:03:38 - 00:04:11): So how does that relate to Manero? Well, the more and I read a book on the 21st century Actually not to, yeah, like 21st century predictions And it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse and worse And I'm trying to pay attention more to the coming years And because some of them in most of his predictions that he mentioned actually became true So I'm trying to relate that and I just see having finished the book I just realized how much more important Manero is Because what is coming in the future is the worst 1984 situation imaginable Tony(00:04:11 - 00:04:40): Like George Orwell, not even be able to put in words So I think Manero is going to be more and more and more important And I think eventually it's not going to be something incremental when it comes to adoption I think it's going to be an exponential adoption too And when people realize how powerful it is And how we need to monitor everything, not only the money, but the internet And just so we can have overall privacy Doug(00:04:40 - 00:05:03): Yeah, and liberty and digital age I'm noticing that too, like just the concern is going more mainstream Like people that I talk to, people in my daily life People that aren't into crypto or Madero But just kind of feeling them out and they're seeing They're starting to see, you know, get these dystopian vibes as well Right? Doug(00:05:03 - 00:05:32): It's becoming very obvious to everyone The direction things are headed in terms of tyrannical governments taking advantage of technology Trying to corral people We saw it, obviously it was a big eye opener with COVID It took people some time, so people didn't really realize it till kind of after the fact They're looking back at it like, wow, I got played But now people are more vigilant in general They're questioning everything Which is good and bad, right? Doug(00:05:32 - 00:06:05): The kind of is no truth anymore It makes you wonder if that's kind of part of the game that's being played here People don't know who to believe And then with AI You can't trust it, right? You see videos out there You don't know what's real, what's fake But what we do know is there are powerful entities out there that are using technology With the goal of controlling people And because that's just human nature, it's always been that way That's not like a novel Doug(00:06:05 - 00:06:38): A novel conspiracy theory The only difference is now they have an amazing amount of power at their hand Given the technology they have and that everybody's been onboarded to the internet And it just ripe for the perfect scenario where they can control a large swathe society But yeah, let's try to stay positive I see you're saying good morning, what's up, Vic? Thanks for coming to the show And I always thank you for the generous sponsorships as always, Vic Doug(00:06:38 - 00:07:10): It was an amazing 2023 I gave Kate a shout out last week I posted after New Year's kind of I did my own little Menero Topias, I don't know if you saw it, I gave out some superlatives I was going to try to do it on the show and never happen So I was like, you know, let me just send out a little tweet thread So I threw some recognition to Kate obviously for being the most supportive project in the ecosystem overall With regards to the scenario, so always super thankful for that Let's keep it moving though, let's get body up Doug(00:07:10 - 00:07:32): Obviously we got a lot of price news, maybe not the best news For those who watched the price versus Fiat But certainly some interesting news, given the rumors with the listings and whatnot Or we'll see what body has to say Okay, let's keep it going Let's go ahead and run the segment and then we'll bring body up Okay, sounds good Sweet, thanks, darling Sunita(00:07:32 - 00:07:49): The Menero Topia price report segment is sponsored by Local Menero Avoid using KYC exchanges Buy and sell Menero directly for Fiat, peer to peer Tony(00:07:49 - 00:07:52): These intros are pretty bad ass, not gonna lie Doug(00:07:52 - 00:07:57): Right, we've got to get body up here, I'll add them to stage Good morning gentlemen Bawdyanarchist(00:07:57 - 00:08:03): Good morning Happy New Year Who made the intro, by the way? Doug(00:08:03 - 00:08:11): I think our editor in an undisclosed location, I cannot reveal Bawdyanarchist(00:08:11 - 00:08:16): Is he in the chat? I don't want to mention anything Doug(00:08:16 - 00:08:35): She does a ton of work for us, she edits all the Menero Topia videos Very talented, we pay her with Menero She's actually a fantastic Menero story, the story of Menero working as intended I'll put it to that way, I've kind of spoken about it in the past But I probably shouldn't say too much all the time Bawdyanarchist(00:08:35 - 00:08:37): Okay, well, I'll stop asking questions then Doug(00:08:37 - 00:08:58): Yeah, no, no, no worries, no worries It's just, yeah, yeah But she's great Cool Well, are you guys new? It's a new thing she made the intro, I thought it was ava Okay, wow, look, we got Anita out of her, I don't see I don't see, I need it Well, Kudos, just Anita So, buddy, obviously we got a... Doug(00:08:58 - 00:09:09): I haven't checked the price this morning, but it looks like yesterday, Menero was taking a hit I don't know if crypto in general has been recently taking a hit I've been on which crypto? Doug(00:09:09 - 00:09:20): A whole wider market pulled back, right? Even beyond crypto, and I think that brought crypto with it And then, obviously, we have everything with the potential to be listing So, curious to hear your overall take on things Bawdyanarchist(00:09:20 - 00:09:33): Yeah, well, I'm not going to lie I haven't really been super heavily focused on price every day So, I don't want to pretend like any... I'm going to be able to give nearly insights here I'm surprised you're over today, so... Bawdyanarchist(00:09:33 - 00:10:05): God Yeah, I know, it's like what a lame disclaimer But, you know, we can look at the charts, we can look at what everything did I mean, for the most part of everything, still pretty flat, pretty steady state Which is fine Like, as far as the stock market pulling back, I think that's a good thing We don't want to see things just immediately, politely run up That wouldn't be a good situation So, for example, here's the NASDAQ This area right here Actually, this is the NASDAQ futures, but right this area right here Bawdyanarchist(00:10:05 - 00:10:31): Let's drop a line That horizontal area was the previous all-time high from back in the end of 2021 And we broke that, right? We said, hey, if the cabal wants to tell everyone sort of subtly or like push the psychology bullish They're going to probably break that all-time high before we come back down to retest it That's what happened here You'll notice I have these purple lines turned on Doug(00:10:31 - 00:10:35): Oh, yeah, we can't see the chart here, hold up a sec Bawdyanarchist(00:10:35 - 00:10:37): I'm sitting here talking, talking Doug(00:10:37 - 00:10:44): Where's that screen? Oh, here we go It says, oh, not connected, I see charts, it says devices Tony(00:10:44 - 00:10:49): How about now? I added you too Okay, there we go I just need help Sorry, I got this Doug(00:10:49 - 00:10:51): No worries Okay, no, we can't see it Bawdyanarchist(00:10:51 - 00:11:22): Yeah, I've updated, I've done everything I can, like Firefox, my system, Yadayata Every time that I try and add StreamYard and then present on these Firefox charts Like, it'll just, it crashes immediately So what I have to do is I use a different browser And luckily StreamYard allows you to share, like, to choose which window you want to share Which screen you want to share So anyways, I've got to, like, use a double browser setup to make this thing work Anyways Okay, so, so I'll just, I'll go back here a second, we'll go backwards Bawdyanarchist(00:11:22 - 00:11:56): So we're looking at the NASDAQ here This is technically NASDAQ futures, which basically pretty close match the NASDAQ Okay, so what we're saying here is that this all-time high, right, this was the previous all-time high in 2021 And, like, slightly 2022 even What I said is that if the Cabal wants to, like, put the sort of, the positive momentum in people's minds, right, the bullish sentiment What they'll do is they'll break that all-time high for a little bit before they come back down to test it And when I say, like, they come back down to test it, I'm not implying that, like, they are in control of the markets Bawdyanarchist(00:11:56 - 00:12:29): 100% with their, you know, with their fingers on the wheels and they can just, like, do anything they want It's more like they can influence big macro movements at a minimum, and they can keep things, they can keep pushing things in certain directions But a lot of intraday movement, a lot of other kinds of movements, there's still a lot of, like, organic stuff that happens out there And when I say organic, I mean, like, the totality of high-frequency traders, plebs getting into and out of positions Big money moving in and out of positions, banks printing money and deciding which stocks are gonna receive new liquidity Bawdyanarchist(00:12:29 - 00:13:00): Anyways, so yeah, we basically broke the previous all-time high coming back down, retesting it here Could we come back down one more time to this area? Sure, sure we could I've kind of got this guy drawn out here, there's a whole bunch of different ways that we could draw this channel But the main thing, actually, let me just delete that line The main thing that I wanted to show you guys on this chart were these purple lines So, again, these purple lines are statistical levels, just like the blue lines, just like the orange lines Orange and the blue lines are one standard deviation, white is the moving averages Bawdyanarchist(00:13:00 - 00:13:37): And we're talking about overlaying all of them from, like, the 10-day all the way up to the 5,000-day We just overlay them all because we want to look for clustering because clustering is where the most number of people are gonna sort of be attracted to those areas without realizing it in aggregate So, the purple lines was something that we had to create because you'll notice the blue lines, they just, it doesn't necessarily give us the full picture that we need to create Like sort of resistances, I know where, like, where topping areas are So, essentially, it's like a derivation of the upper standard deviation, it is not a multiplication factor because that's arbitrary Bawdyanarchist(00:13:37 - 00:14:13): It's basically just a standard deviation of a standard deviation line and adding it to that So, anyways, on a long-term time scale, what I would expect the NASDAQ to do ultimately is to eventually press up here to these, to this purple band area And depending on how long, how long they want to make that run, you would just expect to essentially trend in between the blue and purple bands on the way up Now, one thing that we probably need to start considering is that we are in an election year and the pattern has been for a long time that crises, whether it's financial or whatever, you name it, in 2020 Bawdyanarchist(00:14:13 - 00:14:46): They usually happen around the election cycle, that could be immediately before, it could be immediately after Go back to 2001, right? Bush takes office, nine months later, 9-11 2008 crisis happens just after Obama takes office So, usually, especially when there's a changing of the guard, it seems like big crises have hit So, and then again, Biden gets elected and Trump was like the last guy to, like he oversaw the end, sorry, the end of Trump's term oversaw the beginning of the food stuff Bawdyanarchist(00:14:46 - 00:15:18): And then Biden assumed a control after that So, if there's going to be a changing of the guard, expect something major to happen, but ironically, I'm starting to play with this idea that if Biden wins the real, the real, the real, the quote-unquote wins, let's use that term very loosely Wins in the full power spectrum of what it means to win, not implying, actually I am implying something there, anyways, if you quote-unquote wins, I would probably expect the markets to basically just continue steady state, mostly up, right? That would be a good sign that there's more market here to come Bawdyanarchist(00:15:18 - 00:15:56): If there's a changing of the guard, if there's like some other pre-planned person selected to go into that position into the presidential spot, then that would probably, that would put more weight on the potential for some kind of economic crisis to happen So, yeah, so I guess we're already on macro, so why don't we just go ahead and stay on macro Let's take a look, let's break down, actually let's look at the top level liquidity first, and then we'll break down the components of that liquidity Okay, so here's the NASDAQ yet again, NASDAQ is not as important as the green line, which is the US total liquidity Again, US total liquidity, we're talking about reverse repose, the Treasury balance sheet, M2SL, and the Federal Reserve balance sheet Bawdyanarchist(00:15:56 - 00:16:31): So, it took a big dip right at the new year, but then it popped right back up, so basically liquidity is as high as it has been since, really high back then As it's been since basically the top of the bull market One thing that's interesting is that the liquidity actually peaked after the peak of the bull market, so maybe there's a lesson in there I'm not quite sure, speculatively, brain-storming, I might say, okay, well, perhaps there just wasn't any more juice to squeeze from the market, so it reversed first And they tried to push it up again with more liquidity failed, and then basically liquidity followed suit Bawdyanarchist(00:16:31 - 00:17:03): But in this case, the other thing too is that you might look at this and say, well, the NASDAQ actually looks like it kind of led the total liquidity And that's because there's different components here that make up this liquidity, and I think they have different velocities in terms of how quickly they get into the market And anyways, the point is that liquidity is still pretty high, it's not showing us, like overall liquidity is not showing us potential for a massive crash here, or anything like that Let's take a look at the reverse repose, because I think that the reverse repose was the primary driver of the A primary driver of the bear market Bawdyanarchist(00:17:03 - 00:17:36): Or maybe we should say it's a primary correlated asset, or not a correlated chart And also it's been primarily correlated for us on the rebound, on the sort of new bull market, the insipient cautiously optimistic bull market So the reason that we saw that dip on the New Year's was because we saw a huge spike And what's interesting is that we saw the exact same spike on the last New Year's So this spike right here, massively, like that happened the day before, or the week leading up to the change over the New Year Bawdyanarchist(00:17:36 - 00:18:10): We saw the same thing here, and it came right back down immediately after the New Year So I'm sure there's some fundamental reason that I haven't divinated just quite yet But in any rate, sitting at about 600 and let's just call it 700 billion Still 700 billion dollars of the reverse repose that could hypothetically come out of the reverse repose And that would be liquidity for bond markets, that would be liquidity for stock markets And you need both to be stable, particularly you need bond markets to be stable, or increasing Which means that bond rates are slowly decreasing while the value of those bonds are increasing Bawdyanarchist(00:18:10 - 00:18:42): You need bonds to be relatively stable to keep stock market gains on the table It's true because it rhymes So let's see, let's go keep on keeping up with the macro idea here, the macro theme, bonds Okay, so here's what the bond situation looks like Yeah, bonds came down significantly, and probably again this was a significant driver of the recent gains in stock market Looks like it's taken a little bit of a pause here, but overall this is still a steady state This chart is suspicious, but only on a long term sense, we're waiting for yields to get below the table top Bawdyanarchist(00:18:42 - 00:19:16): And what was the other thing to show you guys? Oh, interestingly enough, the Federal Reserve balance sheet is still continues to come down What's crazy is that usually the balance sheet coming down has been correlated with fair markets, with downside action, etc But I think because of the new dynamic that the reverse repo market introduces I think that the Federal Reserve balance sheet has been able to get away with decreasing They've been able to to drop this thing pretty significantly Like we're talking what is that almost 9 trillion now sitting at 7.7 trillion Bawdyanarchist(00:19:16 - 00:19:50): So I mean they've been able to to drop like over $2 trillion from this balance sheet so far And I think this is again like this kind of stuff we're looking at this because it tells you that they have tricks up their sleeve They have new things they can do they've always got like they learn from their mistakes in the past they learned from 2008 And they like they locked down that banking crisis last year in March like they were like nope that's not going to happen We're going to take care of it now even though in a lot of ways you might have said it was worse than the 2008 Like the potential there was worse than 2008, but they were on it like fucking flies on shit Bawdyanarchist(00:19:50 - 00:20:22): So they prevented anything major from happening there and I think that was like you know that kind of fooled the recession now people Right we've had the recession now people for like for a year or longer telling us about recession It's like well where's the recession hasn't happened yet at least not efficient so yeah that's kind of with the macro situation looks like Interesting, I don't know updating updating is like always such a dicey thing maybe I need to drop Firefox Anyways at least that tab got restored but anyways that's that's basically the macro you know we didn't look at oil Bawdyanarchist(00:20:22 - 00:20:54): We didn't look at gold okay so oil is like again just it's stable right this is what we want we want to see it here in this area If you want gains you know and also like inflation we want to keep inflation down hope inflation stays down so oil's good Gold you know it's just still consolidating is a very long term chart gold could could continue to consolidate for quite a while It could break out at any moment who knows when I don't know probably the koval does know but yeah gold could break out at some point here but it's still right now just consolidating All right let's go to Manero let's take a look at the travesty of what happened the past Bawdyanarchist(00:20:54 - 00:21:28): So yeah we we were looking good you know it felt felt good felt like we should move up and then I don't know the the finance news cause this is do they have have they've been saving up reserved to drop on the market are they like who knows what's going on The government is now got their hands all up inside of by an instance business and so who knows what the government is going to want them to when it comes to Manero And when it comes to like these statements that they're making it's like and they're like really jacking things around like oh well you know we need to hear a response from these from these corporations of coins Bawdyanarchist(00:21:28 - 00:22:00): And we're like we don't have a corporation bro and so like well you know maybe we won't deal with you but probably we will but maybe we won't right like they've just been And so maybe this has something to do with that maybe it's pre planned I mean it's hard to say like but you know what fuck them and who cares You know I manero is going to continue to function we're going to continue like having some kind of price support on the basis of its legitimate organic usage The transactions I thought were interesting we had that big bounce up here and then and then things just crash down for the Christmas like basically right on Christmas Bawdyanarchist(00:22:00 - 00:22:41): I don't know like I don't like these big large pumps here but at the same time maybe there's some evidence that we had people that people were making a lot of Manero transactions I mean it's pre Christmas People go on vacation right people got to move their money around people rotate keys some people rotate keys you don't want to year once every couple years and the New Year's time frame is a good time to do that So maybe this was like organic I am like sometimes I am suspicious when we get like massive pumps spikes up I do wonder I do wonder how much their chain analysis can target people for narrow time frames to try and like maybe find some like statistical probabilities in a certain direction that helps them know where to look Bawdyanarchist(00:22:41 - 00:23:23): I don't know that's that's speculative who really knows what their capabilities are we know they're working on it we know they're like at a minimum we know that these guys are probably experimenting to see what they can see right there's when it comes to statistical math there's always the theory of the math and then there's like really what happens in the real world can you validate your theory in the real world especially with something as complex as a system like Manero you're gonna have to go take your ideas and then try and validate them in the real world so you know it's not that hard to flood Manero with some transactions for a period of time especially with the kind of with the kind of money they're dealing with so I mean it I have to imagine that some of these spikes that doesn't mean all but some of these spikes probably are chain analysis trying to see what they can see Bawdyanarchist(00:23:23 - 00:23:53): let's take a look at the Bitcoin transaction fees because this is always a little chart still actually come back down a little bit hovering in between 10 and 20 dollars you know maybe this is a maybe this is a sign maybe the VRC 20s are going to take a break here soon who knows right now Bitcoin is just the output set as being massively with basically tokens they're using outputs to represent tokens that's what a BRC 20 is but let's take a look at the total crypto market so let's see oh we talked about some of the transactions we talked about them spiking the chart wasn't like super Doug(00:23:53 - 00:24:03): relevant to that little right yeah the co-exxions hovering between 10 and 20 what do you think it that's that's pretty clear that that was some kind of right that was that wasn't an Bawdyanarchist(00:24:03 - 00:24:28): certainly wasn't an organic movement right that's what I was saying is that a lot of this maybe it could have been organic because um you know it's it's pre holidays so people might be selling to go on vacation by presence um they might be rotating keys because it's the end of year and I I mean, we have heard, there has been no shortage of stories this year for reasons to rotate your keys, which is in it, like in and of itself, that's inherently dangerous to rotate your keys. Bawdyanarchist(00:24:28 - 00:24:41): But it apparently, it's also dangerous to not rotate your keys. So there's been no shortage of reasons. So there might have been a lot of people rotating keys. It happens at the end of year or a lot of people do that kind of like housekeeping stuff towards the end of year. Bawdyanarchist(00:24:41 - 00:24:44): So a lot of that might have been organic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doug(00:24:44 - 00:24:48): It's interesting that it crashed so much after, right? And then it like, it goes so low. Bawdyanarchist(00:24:48 - 00:24:59): Yeah, well, I mean, it's Christmas holiday. So you know, you're doing all your stuff, you're doing all your stuff. What are we looking at here? December 22nd. Nobody's touching their stuff. Christmas. Yeah. Oh, wow. Doug(00:24:59 - 00:25:18): Christmas was actually still pretty high. You know what's funny? Because Arctic Mind always references Christmas as like the date that, you know, for testing, right? Like when he talks about the visa network, obviously, and when he like talks about, you know, designing, designing Benero to be able to withstand a big influx and then adjust, right? Doug(00:25:18 - 00:25:28): And be able to have spikes as funny. He always uses Christmas as the Christmas time as the, as the, the moment that Benero would be able to have to be able to handle. So it is interesting. Doug(00:25:28 - 00:25:32): I don't know. I mean, looking back to be, oh, we see a spike around that time. Bawdyanarchist(00:25:32 - 00:25:40): No, we've seen other Christmas's where it drops off significantly. Let's go to three year, actually, go to all time to you. Oh, we'll just go to the modern era of Benero. Doug(00:25:40 - 00:25:55): What do you think, buddy? Like you think we're, we're going to enter a new, a new normal here in terms of, uh, a Benero transactions for 2024, right? Like 20K, it seemed to be the, the number for Benero terms of daily transactions for the last year. Doug(00:25:55 - 00:26:06): You think we level, you think we level up nicely here? Like do we see, see that happening soon? Like a nice move up in terms of daily average on a consistent basis? Bawdyanarchist(00:26:06 - 00:26:17): I think it's reasonably possible, you know, that, that could happen. Although we have to ask ourselves if, um, if finance and other exchanges, D list, Benero does that cause, does that cause the number of transactions to drop off, right? Bawdyanarchist(00:26:17 - 00:26:25): If, because that will be less liquidity. So there, there might be a transaction drop off. It might cause a thing to be a list and it doesn't drop off. Doug(00:26:25 - 00:26:44): Right, right. Or it goes up, right? Because I mean, that would be the most full thing, right? And maybe that would be because if people want to continue to, to speculate on Benero, or if they were currently obtaining it through finance and they're using other means, those other means will probably involve more on chain transactions, right? Doug(00:26:44 - 00:26:46): Potentially. Yeah. Bawdyanarchist(00:26:46 - 00:27:00): I mean, I guess that's, that's definitely possible. Maybe there would be less batching of transactions. So yeah, you would see more individual transactions. That could be the case. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I mean, that would be, that would be fantastic if they D listed and we saw the transactions go up. Bawdyanarchist(00:27:00 - 00:27:14): It's interesting because Benero's had like pretty consistent transactions for a long period of time now, like on the scale of years, um, you know, we're basically looking between, say, 15 and 30,000 transactions pretty, pretty closely defined like the center point there at 20. Bawdyanarchist(00:27:14 - 00:27:25): Um, and it's interesting because our price has also been fairly consistent at that level. So, um, maybe there's something to think about maybe. Yeah. Um, you know, I didn't want, we didn't want to quite leave on Benero yet. Bawdyanarchist(00:27:25 - 00:27:37): Um, as much as I don't want to show this chart, um, yeah, we're like, like, Benero Bitcoin is now, I mean, we're 0.034, like this is the worst it's been since, uh, since the bull market. Bawdyanarchist(00:27:37 - 00:27:47): So. Uh, yeah. I mean, it is what it is, guys. Uh, what are you going to do? Like we just broke down there. And then also, um, you know, you've got, uh, the dominance here. Bawdyanarchist(00:27:47 - 00:27:52): It actually lets, let's pull Bitcoin out of this chart and let's just look at, um, so Doug(00:27:52 - 00:28:02): I apologize if you said this before because I was kind of tweeting over here. So what, what is your current take with regards to the Binance dealisting and manner? Doug(00:28:02 - 00:28:15): Like, are you think we're seeing an impact from that? You think that's already priced in or it's getting priced in now or there, there is no pricing in it. Like what's, what is your overall take there with the Binance? Bawdyanarchist(00:28:15 - 00:28:27): I guess I don't really have a take to be honest. I, I suspect that the people behind the scenes and Binance and now probably with some sort of, uh, covert, um, thinly veiled heavy hand and crack in as well. Bawdyanarchist(00:28:27 - 00:28:45): I have to imagine that there's, there's probably some shit going on behind the scenes. Um, and they're probably trying to consider what their best options are. It's possible that Binance has a big obligation of Manero that they can't really meet, um, and they could be looking at ways because like the government doesn't want Manero listed. Bawdyanarchist(00:28:45 - 00:28:57): Um, it's funny because we, finally we agree on something. They want it to be listed, we want it to be listed, but they might be trying to say how can we do this, um, without pumping the price if I have to acquire all the Manero that we need? Bawdyanarchist(00:28:57 - 00:29:18): Now, uh, remember last show I said that there is the possibility that they might try and like, um, put price pressure on. They might really try and skew things in a particular direction, um, to try and acquire that Manero on the cheap, to try and get as much of it as they can to fill their order books or to fill their obligation so that they can de-list it. Bawdyanarchist(00:29:18 - 00:29:33): I think it's possible that the reason they've vacillated on like saying, Hey, we're going to de-list you and then, well, you know, we're, we're reconsidering now, but you, you know, you gotta be good now. They might be doing that to try and jack the market around in such a way that they're able to acquire more Manero. Bawdyanarchist(00:29:33 - 00:29:40): They're probably, again, assuming that they don't, that they aren't fully reserved now, they need a way to acquire enough Manero to pay out their obligations before they de-list Doug(00:29:40 - 00:29:52): it. Yeah. Yeah. So, so that, you know, yes, so they're, they're trying to manipulate it downwards so they can grab some cheap Manero to, to essentially be able to come up with a Manero that they owe people, right? Doug(00:29:52 - 00:30:06): Um, but what do you think of, I mean, I do, I don't know. I'm seeing more viewers than ever. We're at a, we're at a solid 40 over 40 viewers, which we've gotten before we got them to 50, but I see it's, I see a tick up. Doug(00:30:06 - 00:30:21): I feel like we're, we're starting to see the beginning of the StrisaN effect. Like, because it's, it's, Manero is, is so under attack here. I think it is starting to, uh, you know, get the word out more with regards to Manero. Doug(00:30:21 - 00:30:36): Is my, is my anecdotal take? Yeah, guys, like and share. We're at a solid, solid 47 viewers, we got a bunch of people on Twitter as well. I think a lot of eyes are coming to Manero right now as people see how it's being treated differently than any other crypto. Doug(00:30:36 - 00:30:46): It's being treated the way you would expect a true digital cash crypto to be treated by, by the state. Tony, what do you, what do you think of my, my, my take there? Tony(00:30:46 - 00:30:50): I was actually a wave from it. Sorry. Can you repeat that again? Doug(00:30:50 - 00:31:05): Um, I was talking to body. What are you talking about? Obviously the listing of whatnot and how Binance, you say in how Binance is maybe trying to intentionally drive the price down since, you know, these allegations that they're running a paper Manero scheme, right? Doug(00:31:05 - 00:31:20): So they're going to need to have Manero to pay it out. But I'm also saying just anecdotally, I'm seeing an uptick in Manero being, uh, more widely talked about in, in the crypto community. Doug(00:31:20 - 00:31:29): And I think it's, this kind of strives that effect where Manero is really being treated than differently than any other crypto. And I think people are more and more people are realizing this. Tony(00:31:29 - 00:31:39): Oh, yes. I agree 100%. One thing a body said is coming back in 30 seconds, but, uh, world-criminal panic. Um, yeah, but I agree with what you said. Manero is the only unique one from the whole space. Tony(00:31:39 - 00:31:51): And actually we're going to discuss during the news section today, um, how Binance is actually going to deal with, um, Manero. And then we're going to talk about how regulators actually prefer Zcash over. Tony(00:31:51 - 00:31:53): So that's that as well. Doug(00:31:53 - 00:32:04): Okay. Sorry. I didn't do random dude. Usually I watch the show during the week at work to shop out and say hello. You're awesome. Keep it up. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Doug(00:32:04 - 00:32:17): Yeah, you're welcome to jump on live too. Do the viewers on stage section. Why we're at 50 viewers. Guys, like and share, man. It is. This is, uh, I think that Manero topia is going to end up being more important than we think. Doug(00:32:17 - 00:32:29): Um, this is going to, this is what we're learning. I mean, what we've all been out here preaching it, but we're actually starting to see this happen where we're being rejected from, from the mainstream. Doug(00:32:29 - 00:32:48): Um, we are, you know, being pushed away from the centralized exchanges to trying to cut us off. We all saw this coming down the pipe. And the goal has always been to essentially ignore that and instead focus internally among us and build out our own economy. Doug(00:32:48 - 00:33:05): And that's what we need to, you know, that doesn't just happen. We need, we need to make that happen. And it happens. It's simply spreading the word spreading the word about Manero and growing it among ourselves, ignoring, ignoring the state, ignoring the outsiders and just build our own Manero topia. Doug(00:33:05 - 00:33:08): And then everything else will just, we'll just come to fruition. Tony(00:33:08 - 00:33:18): Somebody said on the, in the YouTube comments, Manero equates the freedom. That is very powerful. Manero has a cool pipe, rebel from Frank. Doug(00:33:18 - 00:33:35): There's no other crypto that has that vibe. It just, you know, just, and they, they won't, nobody will really be able to replicate it because it just comes with, it comes with time. Manero has proven itself over time, which are the technology and the willingness of the community to stick to its, its ideals and its purpose. Doug(00:33:35 - 00:33:38): No, no other crypto has been able to match that. Tony(00:33:38 - 00:33:49): And I think it was also beautiful about Manero is that it's not a flashy coin. Which is that's what it's supposed to do. It doesn't bend to any government or anybody at all. It just does what it's supposed to do. Tony(00:33:49 - 00:34:05): And it's not, it doesn't have, not in some other coins, flashy name, flashy this and then they, they base themselves on, on pumping the coin and the price, which is important because the higher the price of Manero is, that equals to, to use it. Tony(00:34:05 - 00:34:27): But Manero just does its thing. It, it knows it's the boss. It's not going to bend to anybody else. And this is just going to keep doing its things, not going to, like previously, for example, there have been coins, like for example, Dark coin and after they, they faced regulation, you know, pressure, they changed the dash coin and it announced that, you know, a lot of their privacy. Tony(00:34:27 - 00:34:38): So most privacy coins from the space have started to bend the knee to government and the regulations of Manero hasn't. And I don't think it's ever going to. Definitely. Doug(00:34:38 - 00:34:44): I don't even know if we could. Yeah. We would have been able to, but the political will isn't there in the community to, to make Bawdyanarchist(00:34:44 - 00:34:49): any changes to Manero that would move it in that direction. Can't stop. Won't stop. Doug(00:34:49 - 00:34:53): Yeah, head body. I can actually, can we bring up, bring up your charts again? Bawdyanarchist(00:34:53 - 00:34:57): Yeah. Yeah, they should be shared. I had a kernel panic. Doug(00:34:57 - 00:35:02): What's going on? You guys are always messing around with your equipment too much. Bawdyanarchist(00:35:02 - 00:35:12): I know. It's just, you just need to get a Mac and then use that. Well, all right. So I hit, I installed a bunch of new stuff. I had to like change my fan radiator configuration. Bawdyanarchist(00:35:12 - 00:35:24): This is a problem that was going to happen regardless of OS, but yeah, I had to change my fan radiator configuration so that I had more cooling and it's noisy. I don't know if you'll can hear like the low hum of fans worrying now. Bawdyanarchist(00:35:24 - 00:35:36): But anyways, I put a pillow over it because I was like, well, you know, maybe that'll be it. It keeps it quieter. But then I think I caused my GPU to overheat. I was monitoring my temperatures, but I was monitoring CPU temperatures, not GPUs. Bawdyanarchist(00:35:36 - 00:35:46): I'm pretty, anyways, blah, blah. My kernel panic. So I'm actually shocked at how quickly it rebooted though. Usually kernel panics have to take like five minutes to dump anyhow. Tony(00:35:46 - 00:35:50): Yeah, but we can hear anything from your side. It's crisp clear. Doug(00:35:50 - 00:36:01): So, you know, it needs more, sorry, to interrupt guys. Manero needs more presence in the two-way community, segment, and yeah, definitely agree. Send them our way, man. Doug(00:36:01 - 00:36:13): People are welcome to come on, talk on the show about anything. There's any Menero related companies in the two-way community. Like are we seeing that? Are we seeing guns for sale with Menero? Doug(00:36:13 - 00:36:14): Menero preferred. Bawdyanarchist(00:36:14 - 00:36:18): I mean, there's guns in Bitcoin. I know they're Menero and I as well. Doug(00:36:18 - 00:36:26): Yeah, there's guns in Bitcoin. So happy to highlight those things if they're out there neon, just bring them over. Do you want to help? Bawdyanarchist(00:36:26 - 00:36:37): Yep. Digital alarm movements, physical alarm movements. So let's see. All right, I don't have too much here left on the price report. We were looking at Menero dominance. Bawdyanarchist(00:36:37 - 00:36:49): I don't know exactly where I left you guys, but we were looking at the Bitcoin versus Menero. All right, we were talking about finance. There's definitely machinations going on in the background there when it comes to, well, I say definitely, but let me rephrase. Bawdyanarchist(00:36:49 - 00:37:02): It's, I think, is very likely. I think it's very reasonable to suspect there's machinations happening in the background there with the government and finance and probably cracking now, too, since they're, since they're on the ropes. And, you know, Jesse Powell is not the CEO anymore. Bawdyanarchist(00:37:02 - 00:37:18): So anyways, it's you guys kind of close it off nicely by saying, yep, we're going to have to, you know, we've got to actually use Menero. We actually have to like make parallel economies and do all those things. And good, maybe like maybe the government just is forcing us to live up to our own, to our own words. Bawdyanarchist(00:37:18 - 00:37:32): So Menero dominance here, this is actually not Menero dominance because there's too much Bitcoin in that chart, right? We already know what that chart looks like. So what we did here is we took the Menero market cap and divided it by total three. Bawdyanarchist(00:37:32 - 00:37:47): And then multiplied by some very large numbers so that my, my wave magic stuff still works here. But yeah, I mean, you can see that basically since, really since November, Menero dominance relative to Shacoin's has tanked significantly. Bawdyanarchist(00:37:47 - 00:37:58): And I mean, this is, this is a sign of leverage. It's a sign of degeneracy. I mean, I, I bear some culpability in this chart as well, I'm not going to lie. Bawdyanarchist(00:37:58 - 00:38:15): But at the same time, like this chart was going to do this regardless of what I did. And it's like, it's the fucked up thing in the way that they control the system is that they know they can push this. Let's suppose like the, the effect of the cabal, the cabal can move price, they can move relative prices by let's say, let's just, let's just call it 50%. Bawdyanarchist(00:38:15 - 00:38:28): And then they know that the plebs are going to take care of the rest of that 50% of the direction they want to move things because they're going to sort of create in the, in the minds of the masses and the mass psychology, of course, tabs are just crashing. Bawdyanarchist(00:38:28 - 00:38:38): I guess I have all kinds of technical problems today. They're going to create in the minds of the masses the, what they, the direction that needs to happen and the plebs are going to take it the rest of the way. They say, oh, well, the things are going to go that way anyway. Bawdyanarchist(00:38:38 - 00:38:50): So I might as well get on the right side of it. And that would be me, right? That would be me when I'm trading these coins guys about sometimes. You know, I don't want to like call them all shit coins. I mean, it's, it's, that's, that's like still kind of like a maximalist holdover that I have some of them are shit coins. Bawdyanarchist(00:38:50 - 00:38:56): Some of them actually might have promised to do real things that could actually be useful in the real world, at least in the financial world. Doug(00:38:56 - 00:39:14): Oh, guys, I got to jump in. We're over 60 viewers now holding steady. So the, the like and share works, guys. You will bring us to you like and be happy. We're treating and we're, we're this, yeah, over over 12 viewers on Twitter spaces and we're at 60 viewers on YouTube. Doug(00:39:14 - 00:39:19): Nice. Growing. You're protruding. I'm sorry, buddy guys. Bawdyanarchist(00:39:19 - 00:39:29): Keep going. No, no, please, please, that's, that's definitely more important than whatever I was ranting about, especially since my tab crashed. All right. So the tab crashed. I guess it's time to move on from Manero. God dang it. Bawdyanarchist(00:39:29 - 00:39:40): Technical problems at the estimate. Okay. So we got Bitcoin here. We got, we got Bitcoin here. And as we've talked about, it's like riding these upper standard deviations. These are not hard resistances. Bawdyanarchist(00:39:40 - 00:39:52): It can pop above it. It's possible. I was kind of looking forward to maybe hearing, you know, the approval, the SEC approval of the ETFs. Maybe they'll just wait until January 10th. Bawdyanarchist(00:39:52 - 00:40:03): Is it January? I think it's January 10th, which is kind of ironic. You know, that date being right. It was January 10th or was it January 6th? I can't remember. What's the fear? Bawdyanarchist(00:40:03 - 00:40:12): It's January 6th. Oh, okay. Happy, happy fake revolution day, guys. Or fake. Oh, shit. Yeah. I think uprising rebellion day. Doug(00:40:12 - 00:40:17): Never forget, guys. Never forget. It's a dark day. We almost lost the box. Bawdyanarchist(00:40:17 - 00:40:30): Yeah. Democracy almost failed that day. Thank God for a brave fighting men and women. And also our congress people that bravely stood up to the do wearing horns, whatever happened there. Bawdyanarchist(00:40:30 - 00:40:42): All right. Yet I digress. Yet we digress. So here's the Bitcoin chart. There's nothing special about this chart, except for it's gone up a lot. I'm not convinced that it's like this is the real like time to break the all time high. Bawdyanarchist(00:40:42 - 00:40:53): The pattern. So and I did a little bit of looking into this this week. The pattern that happened last time, October 15th, the ETFs are announced to be approved. Bawdyanarchist(00:40:53 - 00:41:04): Most of the pump happened before that ETF announcement came, which was special. October 15th, the announcement happened Bitcoin pumps, something like 15% ish. Actually, you know what? Why? Bawdyanarchist(00:41:04 - 00:41:17): I have the chart here. Why wouldn't I? Okay. So drop a line, that vertical line, that was the day that the ETF announcement was approved. You'll see that Bitcoin pumps about 16% 15%. Bawdyanarchist(00:41:17 - 00:41:28): And then it kind of like took a little break and then it had a secondary high. What's interesting, if we were to overlay the Bitcoin dominance, actually, let's overlay total. Bawdyanarchist(00:41:28 - 00:41:46): All right. So we're going to overlay total to make it just be a line because silly, we're going to tell it to show us the high price. Okay. So you'll notice that Bitcoin getting the ETF announcement, it was like the first pump, total followed and it continued following for almost a month. Bawdyanarchist(00:41:46 - 00:41:58): There's about a four week, three to four week period here. And then total two, yeah, total two, everything else but Bitcoin peaked significantly about a month afterwards. I mean, Bitcoin also got a slightly higher high, but total two is what really happened. Bawdyanarchist(00:41:58 - 00:42:13): So if the pattern is going to play out here, if they announced the approval of this ETF, expect Bitcoin to pump maybe 15%. And again, you can't just like take the fractal quote unquote and then overlay it on the current action and say, well, it's going to pump exactly 15%. Bawdyanarchist(00:42:13 - 00:42:30): And the timeline is going to be exactly this. You can't say that, but 15% would put us right about 50,000, right? So expect Bitcoin to probably make that 50,000 area. Meanwhile, after that pump, expect Bitcoin dominance, I expect Bitcoin dominance is probably going to take a big hit to the downside. Bawdyanarchist(00:42:30 - 00:42:42): And we can go backwards and look here on what happened. This right here was the Bitcoin dominance pump, which happened just a few days, like the peak there happened just a few days after the ETF announcement and then it dropped, dropped down. Bawdyanarchist(00:42:42 - 00:42:54): So the point is that after Bitcoin ETF is approved, everyone's going to say, oh, well, now, you know, which new ETF is going to be approved? I mean, obviously, it's going to be talking about Ethereum, right? They're going to shift that all into the Ethereum hype. Bawdyanarchist(00:42:54 - 00:43:07): Probably Ethereum will get a big boost, but shit coins in general get a big boost, right? That's likely what will happen. And then if history is any less than a major inclusion in the financial system, will be a local top at least for a few months, if not longer. Bawdyanarchist(00:43:07 - 00:43:23): So I just don't, I have to think that's probably how this is going to play out. I don't see hardly anyone on Twitter or anyone out there, like in the social realms, speaking about how, hey, guys, remember three times now in the past, they played us and we all got rugged. Bawdyanarchist(00:43:23 - 00:43:33): No one's talking about that. So it seems to me that probably the plebs are going to be juiced to squeeze there. Maybe some big pullback happens this next year. I personally think that would be a very good thing, a very healthy thing. Bawdyanarchist(00:43:33 - 00:43:44): If the NASDAQ and all these financial markets and everything just cooled, like, chilled to fuck out for, let's just call it five months. I would like to see things just like roll over, pullback, take their time. Bawdyanarchist(00:43:44 - 00:44:00): I don't want to see like massive market moves here. And that would also make sense, like if they're going to try and save some liquidity for the election, right? Maybe they want to, maybe the Biden people and the Democrats that are controlling him and giving him his medications, maybe they want to cause some kind of particular outcome. Bawdyanarchist(00:44:00 - 00:44:11): Maybe they need to save the pump until the election cycle gets closer. I don't know. I mean, those things aren't really always correlated. It's cheeky to say that, but those things aren't really always correlated necessarily. Bawdyanarchist(00:44:11 - 00:44:24): But this administration has been more commy controlling of everything than really almost anything we've seen since Roosevelt. But let's see. Ethereum Bitcoin, which probably take a look at that because again, there will probably be some kind of shift. Bawdyanarchist(00:44:24 - 00:44:34): The Bitcoin ETF gets approved, there will be a shift into the Ethereum ETF. So right now, I mean, it is really, this is not the kind of price action that you want to see. So this is Ethereum versus Bitcoin. Bawdyanarchist(00:44:34 - 00:44:48): This is not the kind of price action you want to see. It's like bounce, bounce, bounce. Like, okay, we drop below. This looks like a chart that might want to break down. But at the same time, the fundamentals are going to probably matter more here than whatever the technical analysis says on this chart. Bawdyanarchist(00:44:48 - 00:45:06): This could also just be like scare tactics trying to wash people out of their positions. And then it will reverse to the upside. That ridiculously, that ridiculous wick down there that hammer, it's not a hammer. Bawdyanarchist(00:45:06 - 00:45:19): Maybe it is a hammer, I can't remember. It doesn't matter. This long wick right here, if price starts to move back up, that long wick is kind of a bottoming signal to be honest. There's a lot of washout happening there. So yeah, anyways, that's what I would be thinking there about Ethereum versus Bitcoin. Bawdyanarchist(00:45:19 - 00:45:37): I still am on my theory that Ethereum is going to outperform Bitcoin overall in the next big cycle. It's just so useful in many different ways for DeFi and leverage and all of the crazy stuff that we're trying not to be in Manero. Bawdyanarchist(00:45:37 - 00:45:43): Let's see. Man, I guess that should be about it for today. I think I've ranted long enough on price topics. Doug(00:45:43 - 00:45:58): So yeah, I suppose that was a good one. Covered a lot there, man. You think we'll see a Manero Bitcoin hammer on a low. I think there needs to be a moment there with the Manero to Bitcoin ratio. Bawdyanarchist(00:45:58 - 00:46:12): Yes, man. I would expect very much a wick. Yeah, probably like a big wick down. It would be hard for me to think that a large wick to the downside is not in the cards for Manero Bitcoin, which is probably an opportunity to buy. Bawdyanarchist(00:46:12 - 00:46:23): Actually, let's just say in the next one to four weeks, if there's a major wick down, that's probably a huge buying opportunity. I don't necessarily believe that these prices are real. Bawdyanarchist(00:46:23 - 00:46:40): I think there's a lot of leverage happening here. Leverage happens when plebs are buying. So if there's 20% of buying happening, there's 80% of leverage out there to try and capitalize, to try and create the best prices for dumping on plebs. Bawdyanarchist(00:46:40 - 00:46:53): We just see this in crypto all the time, and we see this more and more in the traditional financial markets as well. Whatever the organic action is, gets multiplied by 5, 10, 20 times. This is something that happens. Manero doesn't benefit, quote unquote, benefit. Bawdyanarchist(00:46:53 - 00:47:04): It might actually be a bad thing in some ways, but Manero does not get that kind of leverage to pump the price. It gets it accidentally kind of like gold as a side factor. It's like, oh, well, okay, that happens because there's so much liquidity in the system. Bawdyanarchist(00:47:04 - 00:47:15): Some of it makes its way to a Manero eventually. So yes, to answer your question the longest way possibly. There's probably going to be some big wick down the XMRB chart. Doug(00:47:15 - 00:47:37): We shall see Neon is saying, good place for Manero talk can be a gun store or GOA or NRA conference. Yeah, I was thinking that as you guys are having this discussion here in the chat about 2A, that would be really cool to go to have Manero talk go represent one of these conferences, just like we do with like these libertarian conferences. Doug(00:47:37 - 00:48:09): It would be cool to kind of edge into that community as well. That would be so yeah, if anybody has any ideas, that's how we've ended up with some of the conferences we ended up. People reach out to us, tell us to attend. If you know any good conferences, we should attend 2A related or anything that we think where there's overlap, where there's a community that maybe is not necessarily very intercrypto yet, but it certainly would be one that would align with the ideals of Manero that realize the importance of preserving a cash like utility and digital age. Doug(00:48:09 - 00:48:19): People where they're starting to wake up to that, let us know. You can email me at ManeroTopiaProTomL.com. Hit me up if you guys have any ideas of places where we should go and represent. Bawdyanarchist(00:48:19 - 00:48:21): Man, that's a great idea going to gun shows. Doug(00:48:21 - 00:48:43): Yeah, that would be such natural fits. I have so much fun at the libertarian conferences, because like the crypto, it's like you are the crypto conferences the same stuff all time. It's nice to go just to the broader Liberty Movement conferences, because there's a lot of different conversations happening there, just beyond just crypto talk, you know, so it's actually quite entertaining too. Bawdyanarchist(00:48:43 - 00:48:47): Yeah, we know more about the Madgames to make the world free. Exactly. Doug(00:48:47 - 00:48:55): Alright, thanks a lot. Stick around if you can. And yeah, let's keep moving, Tony, you there. Bawdyanarchist(00:48:55 - 00:49:01): Yeah, thank you, Tony. Thank you, Tony. Good to see you on the show, bro. Tony(00:49:01 - 00:49:06): Thank you. Thanks, boy. Are we doing the guest right now? Doug(00:49:06 - 00:49:12): Yes, let's bring up the guest. Alright, let's go ahead and run the guest segment. Sunita(00:49:12 - 00:49:22): The ManeroTopia guest segment is sponsored by Take Wallet, Store, Zen, Proceed and Exchange of Naran Pickcorn safely on iOS and Android 2. Sunita(00:49:22 - 00:49:28): Take Wallet is open source and you always control your own key. Doug(00:49:28 - 00:49:34): Alright, Manero Mack, what's up? Oh my God. Monero Mac(00:49:34 - 00:49:46): Hey guys, Nicole. My daughter wanted to say hi to Tux, not here unfortunately. So yeah, that was about that. Doug(00:49:46 - 00:49:48): Tux isn't here today. Monero Mac(00:49:48 - 00:49:55): That was her saying hi to Tux. I'll never keep watching the show. She loves the penguin. She loves the penguin. Doug(00:49:55 - 00:50:04): Can't get over it. I don't know, all the kids love the penguin. We use it for our advantage. Start watching the youth about Manero. Monero Mac(00:50:04 - 00:50:19): Oh yeah, we definitely do that here in this household. That's for sure. I love the theme going on. You know, like you talked about earlier, the concern is going mainstream and a new normal for ManeroTrins actions. I think that our family definitely represents that new normal for sure. Doug(00:50:19 - 00:50:31): Awesome, man. Tell us more. Tell us about yourself. I guess I've seen you on Twitter before putting stuff out, but what really caught me is recently your tweet where you had recently bought a car with Manero. Doug(00:50:31 - 00:50:33): I think it was like a Mercedes or something. Monero Mac(00:50:33 - 00:50:43): Yeah, and it looks a lot nicer. It's a whole old Mercedes. Everyone's doing a crap about it. All you bought a Mercedes, man, I got a good deal. It was a family deal. Doug(00:50:43 - 00:50:51): Yeah, no, those are just ones. It's like an old, old, reliable, well-made car. I drive around in the old Volvo, man. Monero Mac(00:50:51 - 00:51:04): I did turn my parents into Manero extremists. So they're like, oh, yeah, we'll take Manero for it. Absolutely. As soon as they said that, I was like, done. We're going to do it. But yeah, I guess I would say I'm funny for a little bit. Monero Mac(00:51:04 - 00:51:16): He kind of got me into Manero around the time the lockdown started. He started, I started, you know, unfortunately, like most people didn't know anything back then, buying into a lot of stuff that made no sense. Monero Mac(00:51:16 - 00:51:28): And I had known body previously. We're kind of like family friends, and he ended up telling me, hey, man, you really need to check out Manero. You need to start checking out some of these privacy, the features that it has with privacy. Monero Mac(00:51:28 - 00:51:40): And I had always been in the proper community very much questioning everything ever since pretty much 9-11 was a huge red pill for me. And ever since then, I was part of the proper community for a long time. Monero Mac(00:51:40 - 00:51:53): And always trying to stack gold, stack silver. And then when body introduced me to Manero, it definitely changed my perspective on the whole digital currency space for sure. Monero Mac(00:51:53 - 00:52:11): And when the lockdowns happened, the lockdowns obviously affected everybody. It affected my family greatly. And my family started really asking a lot more questions. That was a huge red pill for, I would say, the baby, the regeneration, they saw this massive tyranny totally take over. Monero Mac(00:52:11 - 00:52:22): And so many people just falling in line. And that was a huge turning point for them as well, which was inevitably lead to them being willing to accept Manero for a car. Doug(00:52:22 - 00:52:33): Yeah, no, I've had the same, not exact same experience, but the same kind of thing that goes on in my normal life, right outside of Manero. People start to look at you in a different way. Doug(00:52:33 - 00:52:44): Like, all right, maybe that crazy Manero guy isn't that crazy. Right? Right. The government's doing. And they're like, all right, tell me more about this. Don't worry about this Manero thing. Doug(00:52:44 - 00:52:50): So how long have you been interested in Manero in FATSO's 2020 that really kind of pushed you into it? Monero Mac(00:52:50 - 00:53:04): Yeah, it was 20, well, even before then, I mean, I'd be trying to tell me for a long time before, even before the lockdowns, hey, like there's more to this. You really need to kind of stop being stuck in this box where it's only physical metal. Monero Mac(00:53:04 - 00:53:14): And I'm all for physical metal. I think it's a great thing. But unfortunately, the way we're going, it seems like we're all going to be forced into this digital age, no matter what. Monero Mac(00:53:14 - 00:53:31): And having a way of transacting in a private manner digitally makes sense. It really does. And I fought that for a long time. And thinking about going to the gun shows, I was just laughing out, if you go to those gun shows, you're going to be definitely sitting there debating a lot of boomers for Shervik. Monero Mac(00:53:31 - 00:53:36): Because it's going to be, but hey, that's good. You'll be able to hopefully get to the Manero side. Doug(00:53:36 - 00:53:48): But it wouldn't be the first time I've debate, like going to the libertarian conferences, I ran into that a lot. I ran to a lot of gold bugs, gold bugs that were just anti crypto in general. Doug(00:53:48 - 00:54:01): But they were open to the conversation, especially when you took them down the Manero road. Right? And you're like, no, this isn't about even trying to be digital gold, although if you want to, you know, eventually arrive at that in the conversation. Doug(00:54:01 - 00:54:12): But just realizing that they're eliminating cash, can we agree on that? And even the, like, yeah, I see that. And like, oh, yeah, I used to love cash, I used to see, because the boomers relate to a cash world. Doug(00:54:12 - 00:54:28): They were so used to using cash for everything. And now they see it's gone. And they are putting, you know, realizing, wait a minute, they're realizing that that loss in autonomy without without cash that they're completely relying on, on the banking system. Doug(00:54:28 - 00:54:46): So I think boomers, I think relate to cash better than even young people, right? Because they never even cash, right? They're used to Venmo and credit cards. They don't even know like what the cash world was like and why it represents freedom, because they never really felt it, right? Doug(00:54:46 - 00:54:56): So talking to them about the nose terms, I mean, like, so if you, if we agree that cash is important and vital. And then we also agree that there's a movement towards eliminating it. Doug(00:54:56 - 00:55:11): They're like, uh-huh, uh-huh. And everything's going digital. They're like, yeah, I can't disagree with that. We're going to need something to replace that. And so I think it ends up being a pretty, pretty good conversation most of the time, even with the boomers. Monero Mac(00:55:11 - 00:55:27): Yeah, absolutely. Definitely. It's a, it's a great way to introduce people. And when it comes to those, these payment systems recently, I think they put it off the new IRS while we're, you have to claim $600 or more if you do business with the like cash app in them. Monero Mac(00:55:27 - 00:55:38): Yeah. So, you know, and I've been using recently, like, I have a few roommates, they like to pay me in cash app. They like to pay me in bed, though. And I told them, I'm like, hey, man, it's not enacted yet. Monero Mac(00:55:38 - 00:55:48): But eventually you're going to have, you know, you're basically putting a target on yourself to get, you know, to catch flat with this, with this, this, this, this, uh, agency, because you're going to have another document. Monero Mac(00:55:48 - 00:55:58): You have to make sure you are sending out there if you choose to. Um, but, you know, it's just, uh, it's just makes sense to not use those, those payment, those payment systems. Why, why use them? Monero Mac(00:55:58 - 00:56:04): You know, we can, we can do something else, right? And that's something that I've been trying to talk with him recently about. Doug(00:56:04 - 00:56:17): Yeah. I mean, we're trying to, the focus we're trying to do over here is the building out the Menero Circular Economy, right? And just get people to start using it. Uh, so you're, you're walking the walk, like, so granted it was family members, but you still did it, right? Doug(00:56:17 - 00:56:34): So I think it's, it's an important lesson. People should try to learn from you, right? You took the initiative, you got friends and fam into Menero. It took you some, took some time, took some realization of their own, but eventually they were willing to receive it for selling their car, which is really cool. Doug(00:56:34 - 00:56:42): So what, what advice would you give to people out there? You're like, shit, how, how can I get, you know, well, I'll definitely be willing to, Monero Mac(00:56:42 - 00:56:53): uh, you know, treat not only have someone transacted Menero, but they're typically the, like, my family members that are willing to do it. I had to hold their hand and show them, hey, how to use the GUI wallet. Monero Mac(00:56:53 - 00:57:06): That's the one I use, at least. The GUI cake and how to properly store your keys. Like, you don't want to just have one sitting on these hot walls. So if you have $1,000, that's just obviously a recipe for disaster. Monero Mac(00:57:06 - 00:57:17): So be willing to not only like talk about it, but also guide them and show them. Um, a lot of people, they're just uncomfortable with it. They're willing, they like the idea of it, um, but they're just uncomfortable with it. Monero Mac(00:57:17 - 00:57:27): It can be kind of scary to some of these older people, right? So, but if they can log on, put in a pass phrase or pin in a pass phrase, we'd think that hardware wallet, um, that kind of simplifies it. Monero Mac(00:57:27 - 00:57:38): And if you walk them through that, um, that helps as well. But also, I think, you know, also being willing to go on to some of like, Menero market or hopefully XMR bizarre looking forward to that comes out. Doug(00:57:38 - 00:57:43): Yeah, hopefully. It's any day now, any day now. Yeah. We are. Monero Mac(00:57:43 - 00:57:55): You know, let me take 10, five or 10 minutes and think, hey, I'm about to make a purchase for something I need. Can I, you know, buy this through Menero market or what's the other one? I think it's the other one I was looking at. Monero Mac(00:57:55 - 00:58:00): Or can I just, you know, find a friend I can buy something with through Menero, right? Doug(00:58:00 - 00:58:11): Yeah, like I'm going to be buying, uh, I, I tweeted this out the other day. I had bought my daughter a laptop for Christmas. Stan, Stan, her brought her other things. Doug(00:58:11 - 00:58:22): I got her a laptop and she actually, she didn't really love it because it was kind of like a, just a heavy laptop because it had like, crazy cards in it. Just like the guy so I was like, is she game? Doug(00:58:22 - 00:58:38): I'm like, maybe she might be gaming or something. So it wasn't practical to begin with. But now I'm returning it and I'm going to buy, I don't know if you saw there's, there's a provider now that's selling and they're like, they're, they're very focused on making customized like privacy oriented laptops. Monero Mac(00:58:38 - 00:58:40): Yeah, no, but custom, right? Doug(00:58:40 - 00:58:41): Yeah, yeah. Monero Mac(00:58:41 - 00:58:43): Yes, that's the thing I'm looking at. Doug(00:58:43 - 00:58:53): I'm going to try to get them on the show. Maybe we get them as a sponsor, I mean, we're already, we're already getting the word out for them anyway, but, um, out of, out of a real need, I'm going to, I'm going to use them. Doug(00:58:53 - 00:59:00): I'm going to use Minero. I'm excited for that. You know, that's, that's a nice big purchase using Minero for. Oh, yeah. Monero Mac(00:59:00 - 00:59:10): Yeah, we'll try to get them. I'm going to talk again. He's the one who told me about Nova custom and you can also, there's at least one series that you can use cubes and all of that. Doug(00:59:10 - 00:59:21): Yeah, that's exciting. But yeah, that's, that's the whole drive with me with XMR bizarre. It's also just like to me personally use it as a tool now where I'll be able to live off Minero, right? Doug(00:59:21 - 00:59:32): Because I can go on there. I can also request things like, oh, looking to buy this, anybody want to fulfill that? Um, and that's where I'm, this one I'm hoping really happens with it. Doug(00:59:32 - 00:59:43): It becomes a place where people go to like, not even if they have something to sell, but if they want something to buy, they come there and like put the word out and then maybe somebody else something. You know what? I could sell that for Minero. Doug(00:59:43 - 00:59:58): And I'm, you know, that's what we get to do. Guys, that's what we're going to do. And it's not going to happen on its own. It has to come from us doing it. And the only thing holding us back is the government trying to scare us out of it, right? Doug(00:59:58 - 01:00:04): That's, that's real. The only thing at the end of the day. Um, but there's not much more they can do other than bark. Monero Mac(01:00:04 - 01:00:07): Um, yeah, it can't stop us all. Remember that. Doug(01:00:07 - 01:00:18): Yeah, and we're, we're on the right side. We're on the right side of history. What we're doing, I believe aligns with the ideals of America and what this country was built upon and the Constitution itself. Doug(01:00:18 - 01:00:33): I mean, obviously, uh, there's plenty of examples of America not, not following the Constitution, but, um, if, you know, you, you, you could proceed knowing that you're on the right side of history in my opinion. Monero Mac(01:00:33 - 01:00:44): Absolutely, I think that personally, I mean, we've seen a lot of horrific, just in recent history, horrific things happening. Um, within our, our, our leadership. Monero Mac(01:00:44 - 01:00:58): Um, and it's unfortunate. But the average person is not like that. They, they do want to be free. They want to have instruments to use that that can promote freedom. And, um, but yeah, it's going to, unfortunately, I hate to say it, especially, I mean, we have young kids. Monero Mac(01:00:58 - 01:01:10): Like, it's been a probably get worse before it gets better and the ability to transact outside of that system, like the lockdown showed us. I mean, you're, when that, I still wake up and I can't believe that that stuff happened. Monero Mac(01:01:10 - 01:01:21): Um, the area, I live near a pretty good, pretty big city and it was, it was completely dead. There was nobody out there except for maybe me and a, a biker gang. And it's like holy crap. Monero Mac(01:01:21 - 01:01:36): Like everyone bought into this thing. Everybody complied. Yeah, everyone complied and it's like, all right, well, what can I do to prepare other than just like physical preparations? Obviously financial preparation is a huge part of that, you know, and other than just stacking the items we already talked about. Monero Mac(01:01:36 - 01:01:55): I mean, what else can I do? And what else can I do to, for the community to help others prepare for that as well? So that when, if something happens like that again, we can feel a lot more secured. Um, and hopefully that maybe it eventually leads to a continuation of this info war that we can, you know, not allow, not, not let something like that happen. Monero Mac(01:01:55 - 01:02:09): It was just unbelievable. And that, that, that's still the fact that everyone complied with that. And I think says a lot. And I think it was a test, it was a test for us to know kind of where we are, where we stand as, as Americans or as, you know, whether wherever you are in the world. Monero Mac(01:02:09 - 01:02:14): To not, to not go along with these people, not follow this system, right? Doug(01:02:14 - 01:02:25): Yeah, what's scary is like you said it was a test, right? So what are they going to do next? And, you know, they saw the first one, I'm like, oh, this worked pretty well. People are, are even more obedient than we expected. Doug(01:02:25 - 01:02:28): Well, let's proceed stage two. Monero Mac(01:02:28 - 01:02:40): Well, you mentioned earlier being rejected from the mainstream. I think that's just something you have to accept that you asked what advice can you get? Like, don't be afraid to walk into a place without a mask on. They like be willing to stand up for yourself. Monero Mac(01:02:40 - 01:02:50): Be willing to be rejected from the system because you're going to have to. I mean, if you want things to get better in the long run, you're going to have to do the hard things in the short term. Doug(01:02:50 - 01:03:01): Right, you have to normalize what they're trying to say is a normal, right? Exactly. Among ourselves. Using Menero guys is completely normal, right? We're out here. Doug(01:03:01 - 01:03:13): Menero topia. It's all positive. There's nothing wrong with it. And so, yeah, we got to control the narrative, at least among ourselves. They're going to try to spin their own, but we really need to continue to drive home. Doug(01:03:13 - 01:03:19): What the true narrative is so people can hear that. Yeah, and they'll continue to try to demoralize us. Monero Mac(01:03:19 - 01:03:36): That's a huge, the information that's coming in that we're being blasted with. But it's part of that. It's all psychological to try to demoralize you every day. You can't let it get to you. You got to be able to speak life into others, speak good affirmations to others during hard times, and guide other people. Monero Mac(01:03:36 - 01:03:40): I think that's coming together as a community and for others is a huge part of this. Doug(01:03:40 - 01:03:51): Menero Mac, man. Thank you so much. Any other general statements you want to make? I hope you stick around. We'll do the news and we'll have viewers on stage. Doug(01:03:51 - 01:03:54): But yeah, anything you want to put out there at this moment. Monero Mac(01:03:54 - 01:04:10): I just want to thank you Doug, you and your family have done so much for us. And being willing to publicly go out there and, you know, Manerootopia and everything and thank Body, thank Tux and just for, and thank you for allowing me to come on. Monero Mac(01:04:10 - 01:04:21): It's awesome. My daughter can't believe that this is actually happening. We have a family. We pretty much watched the show this show very often. So I just want to thank you guys, man, and look forward to contributing in any way possible. Doug(01:04:21 - 01:04:32): Fantastic, man. Yeah, thanks. Thanks. Thank you for jumping on. And yeah, as people know, people that listen, anybody's welcome to come on one stage as long as you, you know, keep it productive. Doug(01:04:32 - 01:04:42): Keep it digital cash related, Liberty related and the stage is yours. Everybody's welcome. Manero, Mac, please stick around if you can. All right. Monero Mac(01:04:42 - 01:04:43): Thank you. Doug(01:04:43 - 01:04:52): Tony, let's, let's run the news and leave Manero a Mac up on stage if you, if you can and maybe hold the wall to chime in on some of these use events as well. SPEAKER_09 (01:04:52 - 01:04:55): All right. Let's go ahead. Sunita(01:04:55 - 01:05:01): And now for the new segment. Doug(01:05:01 - 01:05:06): Well, that was loud. Okay. Tony(01:05:06 - 01:05:14): All right. What do we got? Anybody wants to hop on? Go ahead and then we can probably discuss it together. Doug(01:05:14 - 01:05:24): So I see I'll ask. Yeah, yeah. Let's run that, run that segment then too. So run the years of stage. And if you can put the link in the chat, I should be able to. Sunita(01:05:24 - 01:05:37): It's the viewers on stage segment. And that's the time where we invite you, the viewers up on stage to come in on anything you've heard so far today. Ask the guest a question or maybe talk about one of the news topics. Sunita(01:05:37 - 01:05:38): Come on down. Doug(01:05:38 - 01:05:49): All right. Guys, that's on the show. Anybody that wants to come up? Two in one. Okay. So let me. The link in the chat. I got it right there. Well, we got it. Doug(01:05:49 - 01:06:01): Okay. Yep. Yeah. Awesome. Okay. So I'll bring a last game on a body. I don't know if you want to bring up bring body up like this. He just said what he wants to do there. Doug(01:06:01 - 01:06:12): And. And he's hop on going. We get short. Sure. We've. Awesome. It's a party. I'm a regular. I love it. Awesome. All right. Doug(01:06:12 - 01:06:15): Let's go. Tony. What do we got? Tony(01:06:15 - 01:06:26): Anybody else? Up anytime. And we'll try to get Yonstitch. All right. We actually got some really interesting news for this week. And also guys before we get into the new section, make sure you like. We got a lot of leave a comment on these things help a lot. Tony(01:06:26 - 01:06:28): So make sure you do that. You know what? Doug(01:06:28 - 01:06:39): I was thinking of doing some. Tell me if this makes sense. If we tell people when they leave a comment to leave a monero address. And I'll like I'll tip. Doug(01:06:39 - 01:06:50): I'll tip the. My favorite comments. I'll tip any comments. I think you're good. If you leave a monero address with the comment. I'm going to try that. Okay. Look. Look. Doug(01:06:50 - 01:07:05): Look Sparman here. Okay. Spam and leave a monero address. I'm probably not going to tip you. But if you tip, you know, say something that's productive or at least at least relevant. I'll send you a small tip for your comment to encourage participation. Tony(01:07:05 - 01:07:10): Okay. Well, I hope in the same time I don't hope that you hope we run out of monero. Doug(01:07:10 - 01:07:22): Yeah. In the regular YouTube comments, guys, not in the in this live chat here because I won't be able to response that. I'll talk about in like the YouTube like comment section, the static comments. Doug(01:07:22 - 01:07:23): All right, Tony. Tony(01:07:23 - 01:07:35): Yeah. Go ahead. All right. So the first thing that we're going to discuss is from shopping bit. So this is the usage stats from for December 2023. This is the volume. Bitcoin is at 46%. Tony(01:07:35 - 01:07:46): XMR 41% lighting network. Not even 1% and Fiat 11%. So XMR to Bitcoin ratio is pretty good in shop in bit. Tony(01:07:46 - 01:07:59): Then let's go over to coin cards. Bitcoin 38% XMR 29% is pretty close to Bitcoin Ethereum 17%. Just to see 9% like network 1.5% dogecoin 1%. Tony(01:07:59 - 01:08:03): Nobody sees it in the hash. Nobody sees a lot of time anything like that. Doug(01:08:03 - 01:08:11): So I love see cash isn't even on the list. But I don't give it a zero. Tony(01:08:11 - 01:08:23): Yeah, so it's like on most websites that accept crypto for gift cards. Bitcoin and money are all seem to be no way go go back to the coin card. Doug(01:08:23 - 01:08:31): When you when you look at it broken down by America that right us. Can you maybe hit usually tweets that with it. Maybe it's they're trying to link you. Tony(01:08:31 - 01:08:36): Yeah, I think this is the overall. I don't think usually the right issues overall. Doug(01:08:36 - 01:08:48): And then he shows like us and it shows Canada. Yeah, but you are certain kind of maybe what he tweeted there. Wait, no. Yeah, I'm trying to see. No, that's up to it there. Yeah, maybe in the car. Doug(01:08:48 - 01:08:53): No, you're in the tweet itself. There's that other one that he mentioned. No, all right. Tony(01:08:53 - 01:09:06): No, I don't see any. Any when I look into it. So I think it was just like the general. Yeah, yeah, okay. They didn't provide. Yeah, but then not a thing from coin cards. They're filling boys. So they might add virtual card credit cards to my cards. Tony(01:09:06 - 01:09:07): Oh, nice. Doug(01:09:07 - 01:09:14): Which is nice. That's that's always nice to see be yet another way to spend your Renaro. Monero Mac(01:09:14 - 01:09:18): So they just have the debit card option right now. Is that right? Doug(01:09:18 - 01:09:30): Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, and obviously they have other gift cards. But yeah, I guess they haven't had this. The visa the master card the virtual credit card. Yeah, it's yeah. Tony(01:09:30 - 01:09:32): It has it. Doug(01:09:32 - 01:09:34): But yeah, that's sweet. Tony(01:09:34 - 01:09:50): Okay, next thing. This is really interesting. So and some of us were expecting it and it came. So I guess AI generated K YC. Video. So you can essentially just generate K YC and then be able to. Tony(01:09:50 - 01:10:01): To use that to get into whatever you want coin base, buy and then whatever requires K YC. Now, somebody wrote something interesting in the in the comment section. Tony(01:10:01 - 01:10:10): It's not over. It's not over. It will start to ask life proofs now in Jack. Sell the solution. Doug(01:10:10 - 01:10:14): They said inject the problem. Sell solution. Leave some. Tony(01:10:14 - 01:10:25): Yeah, I don't know the way I'm thinking about it. It's kind of interesting. So I guess maybe there's going to be some. You can inject something in your body and then does going to be the proof that this is you. Tony(01:10:25 - 01:10:30): And now it's it's not some AI generated. I see or something. Doug(01:10:30 - 01:10:47): It's not that far. It's nothing is that far fetched. I mean, you hear you hear this talk on both sides of the political spectrum, you know, politicians leading on the Democratic side and on the road. Doug(01:10:47 - 01:10:58): Talking about this need to essentially get rid of the ability to be anonymous, right? There's certain there and connect. They want to K YC our our identity. Doug(01:10:58 - 01:11:10): Our usage of the internet. So starting with social media, the internet in general, they don't want people to be able to function anonymously on the internet, especially with social media and obviously with crypto as one. They made that very clear. Doug(01:11:10 - 01:11:21): You're obviously Senator Warren is leading the way in that charge. But you're seeing like a lot of other like Nikki Haley, right? Doug(01:11:21 - 01:11:36): So you might who knows she might become the Republican, the main Republican candidate. If certain people get their way and she said some ridiculous things about she basically wants to outlaw the ability to be anonymous on on social media. Doug(01:11:36 - 01:11:52): Oh my god. These are her. These are the people that are going to be leading us. So it's it's not that wild to think that they might try to go to extreme measures to limit our ability to avoid K YC. Tony(01:11:52 - 01:12:05): So what was thinking about it right now? What if when people have neural link and then you can have an idea with the neural link and then they're not going to want a picture of you anymore because you can just generate one with AI. Tony(01:12:05 - 01:12:16): They're going to want your a your ID from your neural link that is in your brain. And that's identified that that is you. Right. That could be something too. I hope you learn a lot of school. Tony(01:12:16 - 01:12:28): What are the proof to that, but it's not too far fetched. It's not too far fetched. Now, Binance, Binance plays XMR in ready to delist zone. Tony(01:12:28 - 01:12:45): So let's go ahead and go on the article. So this is actually really interesting. Now, essentially they extended the monitoring tag to put more tokens. So those are Ergon, Firo, Keeper, V1 and Dex, mobile coin, Rive, Vi, Monero, Zcash, Horizon. Tony(01:12:45 - 01:13:02): I assume Zcash and all the rest of them are going to get out of this monitoring tag and then Monero is not going to escape it because it's not going to comply. So two things that are really interesting tokens with the monitoring tag exhibit notably higher volatility and end risks compared to other listed tokens. Tony(01:13:02 - 01:13:07): The fact that they said higher volatility and risks not more. Doug(01:13:07 - 01:13:09): End or at least, yeah. Tony(01:13:09 - 01:13:24): So they're assuming that Monero is volatile, which is not. It's made it was really stable and then risks compared to other listed tokens. So you can compare the risk, I quote unquote, risk that Monero brings to all the other ones. Tony(01:13:24 - 01:13:40): Then if you look below, Binance will conduct periodic project reviews and decide if the monitoring tag and the CDAC should be added to or removed from tokens as per its latest findings. These criteria are considered during the review one commitment of team project. Tony(01:13:40 - 01:13:56): Okay, we have that level. It gets funny. Level and quality of the building activity got it trading volume liquidity, got it stability and safety of network from attacks, got it net or excess more contract stability. Tony(01:13:56 - 01:14:04): Sure. Level of public communication. Yep, pretty strong responsiveness to our periodic due diligence requests. Doug(01:14:04 - 01:14:07): I don't think we're going to do too well now one. Tony(01:14:07 - 01:14:18): This one though evidence of unethical fraud and try to realize conduct or negligence. Well, I guess, oh my god, that's if we don't comply and contribution to a healthy and sustainable crypto crypto ecosystem. Tony(01:14:18 - 01:14:25): So I guess we failed these three, especially because I guess we're not contributing to a healthy and sustainable crypto ecosystem because we're not compliant. Doug(01:14:25 - 01:14:39): I mean, they talked about these things like cryptocurrencies are our company. It's like the one that is actually the most crypto like and cryptocurrency like that is decentralized. Doug(01:14:39 - 01:14:51): Like is the one that doesn't really pass their test like we need you know a CEO that's going to respond to us and listen to us when we need to change things in the protocol. Yeah, that does not exist with the scenario. Tony(01:14:51 - 01:15:00): It doesn't so you want to talk to the CEO. There's no CEO you got to talk to a lot of anonymous people. There's no such thing. Doug(01:15:00 - 01:15:13): Yes, we're not we're not as organized in that respect like like Zcash right we don't we don't have a centralized entity that goes along with the coin. That's there to be contacted. Viewer 6(01:15:13 - 01:15:21): Go right ahead and do list us will just use ETH XM or atomic swaps from lady. What was that lady's name? Doug(01:15:21 - 01:15:30): The top of their to be a like yeah, oh my god. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Elizabeth things right. Tony(01:15:30 - 01:15:42): Yes, but again, somebody should somebody we should actually go on by this and just tweet this and ask for for reasoning. Higher volatility risks compared. What is what is the high volatility? Tony(01:15:42 - 01:15:46): There's no such thing in the monero cell highly volatile. Doug(01:15:46 - 01:15:54): No, obviously that is that they're dealing and attorney to the list that neither seem to volatility. Tony(01:15:54 - 01:16:07): That product. Yeah, what is this is interesting. So, but okay, predict, okay, let's make some predictions. Let's let's make it interesting. So how many do you guys think how many of these do you think will get out of the monitoring tag. Tony(01:16:07 - 01:16:17): Obviously, monero is going to be delicious. Like we're not because it's not going to apply. So how many out of these do you guys think that they're going to get out of the monitoring tag. Doug(01:16:17 - 01:16:23): I think Z cash is going to be out and not. Yeah, I think Z cash is going to is going to stay is stay going to stay in the finance, right? And not. Viewer 6(01:16:23 - 01:16:27): And not see cash and fear. I think they're I think they're complying. Doug(01:16:27 - 01:16:40): Yeah, yes, I think a lot of them really don't know well enough to even say anything about them. But anything they might just get. They're just like insignificant. So maybe they'll just get the listed for that. Tony(01:16:40 - 01:16:45): If anybody knows more about these other coins, so make sure you leave a comment on YouTube and. Doug(01:16:45 - 01:16:52): Like mobile coin. Was that a was that a fork of the narrow. I do believe so. Viewer 6(01:16:52 - 01:16:58): I want to say it was a fork of the narrow for signal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tony(01:16:58 - 01:17:09): Yeah, so go ahead and the YouTube section. If anybody knows more about these or if you if you'd like to drop in your prediction. That's going to be interesting. So write it down on the YouTube section and then we're going to pull it up and. Doug(01:17:09 - 01:17:20): I mean, the other thing too is interesting, right? If this was all just a charade like body was alluding to you, right? That they you know, they're going to get they needed a way to to mess with the man air price. So they threaten a. Doug(01:17:20 - 01:17:35): A delisting the cause of volatility gives them the chance to buy it more man. Or maybe this was all a charade, right? And at the end of the day, they'll. The little whatever the leave man air on the exchange and I'll just have this this tag associated with it. Doug(01:17:35 - 01:17:49): Maybe. But always with always that looming thread of that it could be the least it any day, right? Kind of like trying to one trying to ban Bitcoin multiple times and then. Actually, it stopped having the effect of the market. Viewer 6(01:17:49 - 01:18:03): I put a post on a mess. It only other day when when this whole thing happened that I'm like congratulations to those who sold. I was talking about Bitcoin at the time. So congratulations to those who sold Bitcoin BlackRock appreciate you. Viewer 2(01:18:03 - 01:18:16): Exactly. I don't know if you guys are member, but I think it was like four or five months ago, body, and I were talking about like the next logical step for them to push the price down was to threaten the listings. Viewer 2(01:18:16 - 01:18:28): And here it is at at a time where they're trying to create a gap in like the Bitcoin mineral ratio. They're trying to cover a whole bunch of shorts was another prediction that we had. Viewer 2(01:18:28 - 01:18:40): And at the same time there are loudly, loudly procr proclaiming that they have this desire to de-list, but they're also not de-listing because they have to be able to buy the mineral. Viewer 2(01:18:40 - 01:18:51): And so we've been talking about like a de-listing for two, three weeks now and most of the crypto community is just slurping it up like, oh, the de-listing is coming. It's going to happen. Viewer 2(01:18:51 - 01:19:03): But wasn't it like six months ago or five months ago when you were talking about X and R bizarre and you had first brought up the idea of being able to request something in exchange for Monero, right? Viewer 2(01:19:03 - 01:19:16): And I said most of the people in, for example, Alaska who want to en ramp onto Monero who would never ever ever put their information into an exchange website or anything like that. Viewer 2(01:19:16 - 01:19:30): I mean, they'll do cash, you know, anytime. They have been so hungry for a way for them to sell goods and services. Like a really good example that anyone can do up here when they want cash is they just do like firewood or, right? Viewer 2(01:19:30 - 01:19:47): People selling firewood from Monero would be like a giant like en ramp in Alaska, right? And a platform like X and R bizarre would be huge. So the thing is is they all, you see how they all connect though where they're just bloviating. Viewer 2(01:19:47 - 01:20:02): We're going to de-list you, be afraid, be very afraid. It's basically like them threatening to shoot their own foot, right? They're like, we are still going to cut our foot off if you guys don't do what we want you to do and get that price down, right? Viewer 2(01:20:02 - 01:20:25): Meanwhile, you know, we've already come up with, but it kind of ties into the first story about the lightning network and the lightning network just drives me absolutely insane. And I'd say probably for the last four or five months became, well, I pretty much always hated it since the first time I used it, but it's just gotten worse and worse in my mind as I've watched it become less and less usable. Viewer 2(01:20:25 - 01:20:52): This idea that lightning network is going to solve any of the Bitcoin problems. In fact, I don't know of one that it doesn't make worse, right? But the idea that Joe Normie is going to be able to figure out how to start opening up node channels on their lightning wallets and get, you know, and be able to make transactions privately through the lightning network at some point of sale system. Viewer 2(01:20:52 - 01:21:06): This isn't a Bitcoin conference people like these people are expecting to use one transaction a week in Bitcoin and they're supposed to know about open channels and how to find a secure, like node operator. Viewer 2(01:21:06 - 01:21:22): But you have to be so delusional if you think that lightning network is going to solve anything, right? And then I'm going to look at how much it's used right now. The places that crypto is actually used to buy stuff. Viewer 2(01:21:22 - 01:21:37): They can't break 2% Bitcoin core is still being used way more than lightning network for individual transactions that, oh, it's aware around high fees and it's aware it's like, well, nobody's using it. Viewer 2(01:21:37 - 01:21:57): I mean, even most Bitcoin enthusiasts will be like, well, I'll admit, yes, a lot of the time I have trouble using the lightning network and wasn't it set for privacy like 3 weeks ago is like, I consider myself like an aficion auto of this stuff and I can't even get lightning network to work a lot of it. Viewer 2(01:21:57 - 01:22:14): And it's like, at what point do you throw in the tile and say, okay, this shit is broken. It's never going to work. It's going to take more effort to fix it than it is to just like abandon this project entirely, but they've sunk so much time and money into pretending like it's going to fix something. Viewer 2(01:22:14 - 01:22:17): It would just be ass in iron, right? Viewer 6(01:22:17 - 01:22:28): Obviously, you give them custodial solutions like wallet of Satoshi and they don't own their crypto anymore. That's the obvious answer. Viewer 2(01:22:28 - 01:22:40): And what a name right wallet of Satoshi the custodial wallet like he's not dead rolling in his grave and he's probably trying to figure out who to murder that came up with that name right. Doug(01:22:40 - 01:23:05): Satoshi is holding your coins. I'm having Paul Stork on the show. I think this coming week, he's, you know, adamant, adamantly opposed to, I wouldn't say opposed to lightning, but he's really been one of the strong voices pointing out all the flaws and he's a Bitcoin dev. I don't know if you guys have heard of him. Paul Stork, Alaska, and I'm do you know him? Viewer 2(01:23:05 - 01:23:18): I think I heard him talking with, there was like an interview with the Ronan Dojo guys and then I'll throw it out of the tweet because I'd love to get people's input on what I should be asking him because I don't, I don't follow it that closely. Doug(01:23:18 - 01:23:35): It's just, you know, I'm focused on Monero. All I know is it's not, it's not working as intended. I feel like that my, well, from what I'm witnessing is that it's that that idea is really growing among Bitcoiners, right? Viewer 2(01:23:35 - 01:23:51): Like there's like, there seems to be a growing movement that are people are like, wait a minute, does like, it's been so long now, but I think it had to be like way back in 2013 or something when like the idea of where two solutions became like all the rage. Viewer 2(01:23:51 - 01:24:06): Also, when there was talk about like, well, you could use blockchain analytics to like eliminate the privacy of Bitcoin and all this stuff and it was pretty much when a lot of us started to be like, I don't think Bitcoin is going to be the answer, right? Doug(01:24:06 - 01:24:13): Do you think we get to the point like we're lightning is is talked about as, oh man, remember that, remember that fucking attempts. Viewer 2(01:24:13 - 01:24:42): Well, I mean, is it already is like one of the, you know, it's I mean, I honestly think that it is already and I think that it's a huge blind spot in some of the people who consider themselves right there. They're like, they're having a serious issue coming to terms with the fact that something that they believe that would eventually come around all that's happening is you're getting kind of, I mean, we could call it like the windows effect, right? Viewer 2(01:24:42 - 01:25:02): Where windows is becoming so bloated and it's becoming so many software elements that are layered on top of each other, right? Where the minute you put it on a computer, just like the minute you put lightning network on to Bitcoin, you're adding so many things that are a problem, right? Viewer 2(01:25:02 - 01:25:24): Like, and it's it the overhead of learning how to use lightning is absolutely ridiculous, right? Like, I was fortunate enough to be on a call with Tux and a guy came over and he was like, yeah, remember that manero you were talking to me about and he, you know, and I introduced him to Tux and he was sitting there on it call. Viewer 2(01:25:24 - 01:25:46): And this man is 90 years old and he came over to get a graph and he's like, I'd also like to learn about manero in three sentences I explained to him how it worked and in two sentences I explained to him what the utility would and then it took about five minutes to get him to actually use manero in a transaction, right? Viewer 2(01:25:46 - 01:25:56): If you tried to teach the average normie about how to use lightning, it would never work. It was there's just no way it would never work. Doug(01:25:56 - 01:26:07): That would be a good video to make. Just go out on the street, like onboard people to manero get him using it, teach him from zero versus trying to like go the lightning route. Viewer 2(01:26:07 - 01:26:25): You realize you've kind of already made that video. No, but you do a verse lightning like show the two different approaches. That would be like a two hour video of people asking like what I thought we were doing Bitcoin. What's this lightning? Well, why do I need that? Okay, well, how does it work? Viewer 2(01:26:25 - 01:26:30): And then they're just like eyes glaze over that I got to go now. Doug(01:26:30 - 01:26:43): Kind of, but manero's got to start focusing on the remittance market too, you know, I mean, I was saying we're people are doing. But when we're in Mexico, that's like pretty much 80% of what I was talking to the locals about. Viewer 2(01:26:43 - 01:27:00): You know, you yourself may not be in the remittances business, but you know a lot of your neighbors and friends would be very interested in realizing the thing. And honestly, I shot myself in the foot because I think that was the reason why a lot of them wouldn't sell me manero at the end of the conference. Doug(01:27:00 - 01:27:02): Tony, keep moving. Tony(01:27:02 - 01:27:23): One thing I want to say before we keep moving, I really love Alaska Islands approach to explain in a few sentences as possible how manero works. Because it just works very simply and you don't need to overly complicated. So if you do it this way and explain it in a very simple way, people would be turned on to manero. Tony(01:27:23 - 01:27:34): And that even if they're not going to use manero now, at least if you put the seed that is a form of money that you can use that nobody can see what you do with it. And that is completely private. Tony(01:27:34 - 01:27:48): FBI, CIA, nobody can get into it and you're protected by it. And like they don't even need to download cake wallet or manero. If you just plan that seed, eventually they're going to think about it. Viewer 2(01:27:48 - 01:28:00): I had another one this week that I know we're trying to move, but I really wanted to share this because I'd used it before, but it was the first time I used it in the presence of the feminist, right. Viewer 2(01:28:00 - 01:28:13): And I couldn't believe how well it works. So if you've ever heard the great equalizer argument about guns, there's a famous quote about the real purpose of gunpowder is to make every man tall, right. Viewer 2(01:28:13 - 01:28:25): And the idea was is like, you know, a five foot two woman is just as dangerous with a firearm is like a six foot four three hundred pound man, right. The idea of a great equalizer. Viewer 2(01:28:25 - 01:28:36): I didn't realize how much this mattered to feminists, but I was like, you know, a woman trying to protect her wealth or trying to escape an abusive relationship. Viewer 2(01:28:36 - 01:28:58): The one thing about manero that's absolutely incredible is the fact that it cannot be stolen and no one can verify whether or not you even have it, right. And I what in this chick probably just hates. And I saw her eyes light up when she realized like, oh, wait a minute, like this is money that acts as a great equalizer. Viewer 2(01:28:58 - 01:29:16): This is money that would allow the most vulnerable people to prevent from being exploited. And I didn't even have to point out how like, you know, the government is the problem and all that stuff. Of course she's thinking about like these evil men cannot steal this poor woman's money or whatever, but it doesn't matter. Viewer 2(01:29:16 - 01:29:24): The great equalizer argument seems to work really well for some people that might be on the fence about its utility. Doug(01:29:24 - 01:29:41): But it is a great, great universal point to make. I mean, that's what encryption is at the end of the day, too. Right. It's a great equalizer. So the government fears it puts the power back into the people's hands. I see drunk dial me. I think I had a few to stay drill. I'll let you again. Tony(01:29:41 - 01:30:00): Please, please hop on. But you know, which coin is not going to do all those. So. Zika's compliant privacy coin model is that in the water doesn't work anymore. That's what cyber is said drunk dial me. I muted your mic just because it sounded loud, but yeah, speak up when you want to come. Tony(01:30:00 - 01:30:19): So the vehicle of us twins, regulator regulators, more comfortable with Zika's. They said, obviously we list the Z cash set a long time Bitcoin advocates within a tent list, Monero, and we felt that Z cash was the privacy coin that we could get our regulators comfortable with. Tony(01:30:19 - 01:30:31): And somebody's under the name of Zorak said in order to provide the world of privacy, one has to be compliant and then Zika something by Z cash maximalist. Tony(01:30:31 - 01:30:51): This ZKP can increase the certain level of financial risk from my laundry. This is why ECC has always worked with the government. Z cash is both transparent and private function. Z cash is always prepared with technology philosophy for the future. So, um, regulators do prefer Z cash over over Monero. Doug(01:30:51 - 01:30:57): Yeah, I mean, that's that's an old article. But still, you know, that's that's the ethos over there. Viewer 7(01:30:57 - 01:31:21): Hey, you guys drunk. I'll be. Hey, I'm just I'm just dropping in to propose a hashtag Monero squeeze since we're talking about the sex is covering their shorts and trying to suppress the price because they're liquid because of their fraud, their paper Monero kind of play off of that silver squeeze hashtag in the Wall Street bets familiarity. Viewer 2(01:31:21 - 01:31:57): Yeah, I'm all about it, but I worry that we might be a little too late. I think that they already did their price pushing enough to at least cover some of the paper and I think that they can dollar over the rest of it. However, it would be a useful propaganda piece. This is one of those situations where Monero's distributed nature makes it difficult to rally the troops quickly. And it was one of the reasons why I was proposing like having, you know, a set goal as a like annualized goal and like a six month goal. Viewer 2(01:31:57 - 01:32:20): I don't remember when that was like last week or the week before. Now, as a propaganda piece, it would be amazing, but I would be surprised if they haven't covered a lot of their paper short problems. I think they don't wait for the price to go down as much as they used to because these these verbal diarrhea weapons of theirs are becoming less effective and they know it. Viewer 7(01:32:20 - 01:32:37): Yeah, I was proposing for the propaganda gains. We can pair it with Monero run. So hashtag Monero hashtag Monero squeeze for the future because we know this stuff is going to be happening again and cycles get it out there. Tony(01:32:37 - 01:32:58): Let's talk about Bank of Spain now. So this is interesting. Bank of Spain essentially wants to make their own CBC separate from the digital euro. So Spain Central Bank Bank Bank Bank of Spain has chosen its collaborators a year after publishing an open call for partners participating Central Bank Digital currency tests on January 3rd. Tony(01:32:58 - 01:33:24): Central Bank published a resolution announcing its partnership with Ticco Bank, a bank and a Tera blockchain. Essentially, and this is interesting. So the pilot of the wholesale CBC will take place in the next six months and will feature the simulation of the processing and settlement of inter bank payments with a single token, I wholesale CBC am I exchanging several wholesale CBCs issued by different Central banks. Tony(01:33:24 - 01:33:40): So eventually the Spanish CBC program is unique as it was publicly stated to be independent of the digital euro project that would cover all economies in the euro zone if implemented. So it's interesting how they're working on their own CBC separate to to the digital euro. Tony(01:33:40 - 01:33:57): I wonder if I wonder what's going to happen to the countries that are not part of the euro zone. So for example, Romania is not part of the euro zone and I hope that it's not going to be part of it. Are we going to have the Romanian CBC are we like covered that on the news eventually that's going to be interesting. Tony(01:33:57 - 01:34:10): I don't think it's going to come any time soon. So it'll be interesting if the countries from the euro zone will have their own CBCs as well besides the digital euro and then what's going to happen to the countries that are not part of the euro zone. Tony(01:34:10 - 01:34:33): Albania and are they going to have their own CBCs Albania is actually going to be the moment Albania is going to have is going to trend towards more digital money. That's when I think things will get dark because Albania is so cash reliant when I was there like two years ago I couldn't even use my card at all in most places just cash only everywhere. Tony(01:34:33 - 01:34:50): Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, like cash heavy like it's better to use their currency too. Yeah, but there are many times which I had money but just in my card and that I didn't have any more cash so I couldn't couldn't even get anything to drink or anything. Tony(01:34:50 - 01:35:09): So that's going to be interesting in the future. Now the next one is on the right to a self-host world crypto laws Congress should pass in 2024. This is from Nicholas Anthony essentially Nicholas wrote five five let's say New Year's resolutions for the government that he would like to have. Tony(01:35:09 - 01:35:23): And I think we will as well. Let's see if they're actually going to come to fruition any of them. The first one would be the Congress should formally establish that the Federal Reserve does not have the authority to launch a central bank digital currency. Tony(01:35:23 - 01:35:43): The second Congress should rein in the Federal Reserve's activity in general although the law requires the Federal Reserve to recoup its costs when it launches a new initiative. Whether that's happening can be an open question. The fact that was actually like a really expensive project because around half a billion dollars to develop. Tony(01:35:43 - 01:35:56): I didn't know that third Congress should clarify what exactly the term a legal tender means in practice far too often people are confused by the term and make the mistake of thinking that others are required to accept use currency. Tony(01:35:56 - 01:36:07): However, it is presented in reality the dollars legal tender status only denotes its accessibility acceptability for the payment of taxes, fines and contracts. Tony(01:36:07 - 01:36:25): In fact, the Federal Reserve itself addressed his confusion on a strictly asked questions page. Fourth, Congress should prevent any agency from restricting the use of self-hosted wallets calling crypto currency in a self-hosted wallet is merely a digital equivalent of holding physical cash in a traditional wallet. Tony(01:36:25 - 01:36:37): But this is very very important. Some government officials have not been happy with the limits on current financial surveillance and thus sought to intrude on this space. Tony(01:36:37 - 01:36:50): Fifthly, Congress should remove the longer list of exceptions from the right to financial privacy act, fancy credit currency and advocates of civil liberties are likely excited when they learn of the right to financial privacy act in the United States. Tony(01:36:50 - 01:37:06): Or previous history effectively gave the green light of for sweeping financial surveillance. This law was meant to establish that financial activity is in the protect yet the law was rendered largely useless because it includes a long list of exceptions. Doug(01:37:06 - 01:37:11): How does this say? What does it say? It says it can fix the problem by doing what? Tony(01:37:11 - 01:37:37): Congress can fix this problem by striking the exceptions and leaving the rest of the law as it stands out pertains to his fifth point. So these five reforms cover a great deal of ground preventing the unauthorized launch of a CBC raining in the Federal Reserve's expansionary tendencies clarifying illegal flag applications preventing restrictions of self-hosted wallets and establishing financial privacy protections can certainly seem like a tall order which it is. Doug(01:37:37 - 01:37:54): I think those are some good points. I think some presidential candidates would currently align with all those. I think the Santis from a Swami. I would have trumped. I don't think Trump would would align with these things. Doug(01:37:54 - 01:38:09): There's all these like hard core trumpers out there. The guy is not. He's not super aligned with liberty. Let's not forget who did a operation warp speed with the vaccine. Doug(01:38:09 - 01:38:20): 2024 is going to be interesting. I'd be quite curious to know if RFK Jr. would align with all them. I think I think the fact definitely would. Doug(01:38:20 - 01:38:29): I think the Santis would too. I think RFK too. I think I think I'd be surprised. I don't know where he would disagree. Tony(01:38:29 - 01:38:40): The paper visual officer said I think RFK is more aligned with liberty. I think so too. He said some troubling. Doug(01:38:40 - 01:38:48): A couple of things. I was like wait, what? I think we're a little bit more liberty than that. Tony(01:38:48 - 01:39:08): Next thing, let's talk about the new crypto tax reporting obligation. If you receive 10K or more in crypto, you now have an obligation to report a transaction including names, addresses, social security numbers, etc. Viewer 6(01:39:08 - 01:39:19): I think I'm going to go into the IRS within 15 days under Fredo for felony charge. I didn't receive 10K and I didn't receive 10K. I received 100 Monero. Doug(01:39:19 - 01:39:32): I don't use failures. This is like very real like. Let me just say I'm personally affected by that. Instantly. I was supposed to get my Minero CCS paid out. Right. The one that I've done. Doug(01:39:32 - 01:39:45): I've been working on for years and finally requesting payment. That's going to be interesting. When I get sent, what social security number is going to be provided for that. Doug(01:39:45 - 01:40:00): It's very public. I'm out there as completing this CCS and looking for payment. This really goes towards anybody who's in Minero that's publicly receiving funds. That's more of this amount. So that should be interesting. Doug(01:40:00 - 01:40:20): Wait. The way what Brito is basically saying here, like that this law is as of January 1st, it self actualizes and it comes into effect even though they haven't really even described how how think, you know, the different scenarios and how things should be done. Doug(01:40:20 - 01:40:33): Like they don't even have the form created that you're supposed to be filled filling out. It's just the traditional cash form that you fill out for if you receive more than 10,000 cash. They don't have like an extra field for cryptocurrency. Doug(01:40:33 - 01:40:55): I mean, what's the scenario? You know, there's all these all these crazy scenarios where people may not even have the ability to KYC the the sender. So we'll see where this goes. I don't know if this other post you're pulling up. I think if somebody else that kind of like spoke about it as well and saying things aren't really clear as to what's going to happen yet. Doug(01:40:55 - 01:41:12): Actually, maybe maybe it doesn't get enacted because it's. Coincidence is going to fight fight back against it. We'll see where that goes, but as as written or proposed, it's pretty pretty wild. Tony(01:41:12 - 01:41:16): Body asked a very good question. Does this apply to all persons or all business? Doug(01:41:16 - 01:41:32): It applies to all I'm going to add body stage. It applies to all it applies to individuals, but it goes into detail. Or if you look at what's what's implied there is if it's people practicing business, right? So anybody is practicing. Doug(01:41:32 - 01:41:40): So it applies to individuals that are in business practices. So yes, it applies to individuals. Tony(01:41:40 - 01:41:57): Yeah, they can they can modify that definition too. Oh, if it's a worth $10,000, that was the business sort of transaction because it's higher. What do you say? Yeah, maybe like, you know, it's a higher number. So then they kind of even if you know what he said isn't the case. Tony(01:41:57 - 01:42:05): They can maybe change the definition and say, you know what if it was over $10,000. That's like a business transaction. So you get affected, even like individuals. Bawdyanarchist(01:42:05 - 01:42:25): I might be thinking about. Go ahead, buddy. I might be thinking about the wrong form, but I had seen a post. I think it was like form 8,000, three or something like that. And it talked about cash and then like there was there was like another section on the reverse side or somewhere on the IRS website that talked about like, I don't know, defining cash or defining who's covered by it. Bawdyanarchist(01:42:25 - 01:42:40): And it looked I read it through and it looked like it was specifically talking about businesses that that are taking cash payments for, you know, services or products, but it didn't say anything about like specific, specifically about people individuals, you know, taxpayers in the sense of like, Doug(01:42:40 - 01:43:00): yeah, every brittle, he did, I did read it. He was, you know, whether or not you agree with him, but he what he pointed out seemed to be pretty damn damning to the effect that it applies to people that are practicing. Like so if you're if you're an individual and you do something that's considered business and applies to you, right? Doug(01:43:00 - 01:43:06): So like me, any paid out by the Menero CCS for work I've done would be considered a business activity. Bawdyanarchist(01:43:06 - 01:43:16): Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of nuance there and I haven't I haven't really looked at it. And of course, we know how much these guys love to liberally interpret their laws or their statutes or whatever. Doug(01:43:16 - 01:43:24): But this is another pretty big shot by the by the state against people using crypto in the way it's supposed to be used. Bawdyanarchist(01:43:24 - 01:43:45): In a lot of ways, I got to say that, you know, there was a time when it wasn't even that long ago where I was like, I hope that they enact, you know, I hope that we get that someone less tyrannical gets in power and I hope that the needle starts moving back a little bit towards liberty. I'm completely against that now. I want them, I want Biden to win. It would be the best thing for the United States. Bawdyanarchist(01:43:45 - 01:43:56): I want to continue making as many ridiculous laws and statutes that cannot be complied with that you literally that people like just in the course of ordinary activity like this are unable to comply with you. Bawdyanarchist(01:43:56 - 01:44:02): You literally cannot get a tax identifier number from the Menero CCS. Doug(01:44:02 - 01:44:19): I just allow I mean, I'm going to I guess what I'll have to do is just fill out a ridiculous form and send it in and show an attempt. That would hypothetically in the event that they came out. I should just show up. I should just make it a video because like I don't even think it's clear as to where it's supposed to be sent at this point. Doug(01:44:19 - 01:44:25): I just like go to Washington DC and like ask around. Bawdyanarchist(01:44:25 - 01:44:30): Do you know where I submit this? Go to the Republican party. Doug(01:44:30 - 01:44:32): Around is more than a long. Bawdyanarchist(01:44:32 - 01:44:56): But I mean, I really do like honestly I support them to create as many stupid laws because the more the people like wait, I can't even comply with this if I wanted to that keeps their mind open and limber to say, well, what else should I be disobeying what else should I not be complying with. But as soon as like some halfway half ass libertarian S candidate gets elected, you know, the other half of the political system is like, well, we got our guy in power now week. Bawdyanarchist(01:44:56 - 01:45:12): We can go back to complying with everything because you know, they'll fix everything eventually I believe in the system again. Like we just need the most ridiculous over the top stupidity to keep people like vigilance in the mentality like, no, no, we just need to be well in mastering monero that not master. Viewer 6(01:45:12 - 01:45:26): And the man and the man and the standard, the author talks about the 250 year empire cycle and how we're just about at the end of that at 20, 2030, 20, 20, 26 right in that area would be the end of the 250 year empire cycle. Viewer 6(01:45:26 - 01:45:30): And the United States is headed towards demise, whether we like it or not. Tony(01:45:30 - 01:45:34): By the way, that's a really good book. So I mean, actually, yeah, I got mine. Doug(01:45:34 - 01:45:36): Yeah, it is a good book. Tony(01:45:36 - 01:45:53): Really good book made by Stoic. So guys, it's this book is really new. It just came out because before we only had mastering monero, which is more technical. But this is the so this is called a monero standard and it offers it's kind of like mass and Bitcoin standard. Tony(01:45:53 - 01:45:57): And it's not so much technical, but it offers you more, more of a different. Doug(01:45:57 - 01:46:16): The way I put it is like mastering monero is a part of more like what monero is how it works, how functions of the hood. The manero, the standard is why manero is important in the first place. He does a really good job of discussing the why, like why should we even care about the narrow. Doug(01:46:16 - 01:46:27): I think he did a great job with it. Let's see. We have become my company, Madison digital services is introducing to the market a point of sale solution with the manero for strategy and if I sell systems. Doug(01:46:27 - 01:46:37): And I sell systems from system 76 that we are we are reseller cool. Let us know more man. I just jump up on stage. Tell us about your project. Tony(01:46:37 - 01:46:57): Last, last thing that I want to discuss for the new section. This is going to be really interesting. I'm sure we're going to talk about it next time. This is the biggest farmers for protest in Germany has ever seen and is going to take effect on January 8th and they're currently preparing for it. Tony(01:46:57 - 01:47:24): Germany is the Netherlands. It's Germany. It started in Netherlands, but now more and more countries are doing the same in Germany is one of them. So, Eva wrote, mobile farmers associations, the train drivers union and the trucking industry have announced they'll be mobilizing against the federal government's plan to cancel for agriculture diesel, cut vehicle tax exemptions and increase truck tolls and carbon taxes. Tony(01:47:24 - 01:47:39): They are also countless calls on social media for a general strike against the federal government, demanding they step down. So, the currently, regarding for it, and it's going to be those are all way we go back to that image. Doug(01:47:39 - 01:47:58): Those are all potential mineral customers are all. The early, the early wave, understanding the importance firsthand. I mean, the trucker rally was it was huge eye opener for people in Canada. So, these movements aren't over. Doug(01:47:58 - 01:48:18): You just drunk down there. Are you there? Are you still there drunk? Wow. I want to ask drunk down the question. I don't know if you're still there. Go ahead. It's going to be crazy on January 8th. What is that even? I think that's going to be like a Monday. Doug(01:48:18 - 01:48:42): I'm here. I was going to tie in. I saw that guy from the Lancaster reporter reporter posting about that farm that got shut down. Oh, yeah. Amos Miller. Yeah. Now, that's bio farm. Is it because those are the guys that we were working with Miller bio farm. And that was also Lancaster. That's not the same thing. I don't think. Viewer 7(01:48:42 - 01:49:11): I'm actually a bit confused on that. And whether there's two Miller farms. But the guy we were talking about ages ago from. I think we were talking to you eight. We were talking to ages ago with farm match. Who was setting up those private buyer clubs for homage farmers. He was interested in moving his platform to accepting the narrow a while ago. And I at this point, I'm ready to just pay for the integration that happened. Viewer 7(01:49:11 - 01:49:29): But these guys have been in battles with the FDA and having SWAT raids by the FDA and everyone else since the run Paul days early early run Paul days, like early 2000s. So they're not backing down. Viewer 7(01:49:29 - 01:49:49): They have everyone sign a very extensive contract that it's a private club to exempt them from FDA regulations, etc. But any FDA is violating their own regulations and laws on how they're basically confiscating evidence, evidence, but food. So yeah, that's been in the news as well. Doug(01:49:49 - 01:50:01): And then I saw fit you and Fiat demise suggested they should they should run a kuno because they were using some the guy from the Lancaster press or whatever it is set up a donation fund for for them. Help them. Doug(01:50:01 - 01:50:27): Yeah, I give you send you a thing. Yeah, you send go, which I assume that's just like all credit cards, right and stuff like that. I don't think cryptos are all there. There's an option on there. This is perfect use case for kuno to for for Monero fundraising to shine. I tried tweeting the guy out there. Yeah, I don't know if you have a relationship with them, but we should we should try to get them to do that. I think it's it would be a nice use case. Viewer 7(01:50:27 - 01:50:32): Oh, I can try to get them as a guest. I think we can maybe get as a guest if you're interested. Doug(01:50:32 - 01:50:42): Yeah, that's that that reporter would be good because I think he's the one that made the go the go fund me to give send go. Yeah, give send goes basically the Christian go fund me. Viewer 7(01:50:42 - 01:50:45): So they'll be platform people and blah blah blah. Doug(01:50:45 - 01:50:56): Okay, but the banks, the banks still do. Right. And they can make it the platform gives and go. Yeah, unless they move the Monero. Yeah, that's what I said. Doug(01:50:56 - 01:51:03): So it's just good eye opener there. Who's I see somebody else we have on here, which is like a random random camera. Viewer 4(01:51:03 - 01:51:14): Hey, how's it going? Fine. Just hard to come over here. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to get really bad these things. Doug(01:51:14 - 01:51:17): What why why do you say that? What do you do? Viewer 4(01:51:17 - 01:51:35): The listing will happen, but yeah, Monero, I think it will survive since it's a really privacy coin and I think the culture. The culture will keep it alive. But if something happens to the US like I'm from India and it's like much worse. Viewer 4(01:51:35 - 01:51:50): No gun rights. No nothing. No privacy going. But I think yeah, as long as US with its guns as well as the culture of privacy or whatever freedom on left, I think it will still survive. Viewer 4(01:51:50 - 01:51:53): But yeah, things are going to get worse. Doug(01:51:53 - 01:52:03): What when I hear you. You know, it's an indication to me that things will survive right here. You are you found your way to to Monero. You found your way to the Monero. Viewer 4(01:52:03 - 01:52:17): Yeah, I think everyone will be on list one way or the other, but yeah, I've been in crypto space for a long time. But yeah, I've been in the shadows like a background. Viewer 4(01:52:17 - 01:52:21): But yeah, I think it will get really bad very soon. Doug(01:52:21 - 01:52:26): What do you what where do you think Mineros headed? Do you think so? Viewer 4(01:52:26 - 01:52:49): Yeah, I think yeah, I think of the money or did something very correct means the culture of mandatory privacy and like extreme privacy culture. I think that will actually it will show like even those other coins like Z cash as well as Firo they are having like discussion like you'll see their development forms. Viewer 4(01:52:49 - 01:53:08): Every time they their people will start talking about money rose drinks so well because it's mandatory privacy coin. So I think money or like that it can help and I think for privacy coin or even like if we want to not have CBDC or like more surveillance. Viewer 4(01:53:08 - 01:53:20): So shut down our throat I think Monero really needs to lobby the gun community in US otherwise I don't see any way it thinks will get better. Viewer 4(01:53:20 - 01:53:33): Because it will be a natural like a defense like people since guns there are actual product and people need to buy them and they're already getting surveillance. Viewer 4(01:53:33 - 01:53:47): They are getting harassed anyway so I think privacy coin Monero as well as with the gold community as well as even the gun community I think it will really drive the adoption. Doug(01:53:47 - 01:54:03): I agree I agree a lot of people mentioning that today. Yeah I couldn't agree more I said it I said it earlier hit me up Monero to be a proton male calm you think there's any conferences we should be attending to represent Monero to teach people about Monero. Viewer 4(01:54:03 - 01:54:14): Yeah I think even like I think there are like some streamers they're doing like near me Brockwell as well as some of those other guys they're doing like privacy. Viewer 4(01:54:14 - 01:54:33): Tutorials I think I think coordinating with them as well as employing some of their format just to get to those gun community because many people like I'm seeing many people are just scattered doing their own thing and even in the political space. Viewer 4(01:54:33 - 01:54:40): People are just talking about Bitcoin and barely people are mentioning privacy coin. Doug(01:54:40 - 01:54:45): Yeah yeah yeah yeah it's definitely still niche. Viewer 4(01:54:45 - 01:55:23): Yeah like yeah I think you need some kind of technical knowledge to see like it's a like transparent ledger I think people know but they just want to keep quiet I think they're afraid of what. But I think yeah we really have to question those political space as well as especially the gun community if Monero penetrates the libertarian conference those those liberty minded guys as well as the second amendment guys I think it will really have drive the adoption. Doug(01:55:23 - 01:55:47): Yeah I think we made a lot of headway in the general liberty community I mean we we experienced it ourselves going to these liberty conferences and we saw firsthand kind of the Monero meme growing there but yeah we need to spread spread further I like all the ideas being discussed today about doing more in the you know the pro pro pro 2 a community. Viewer 4(01:55:47 - 01:56:16): That's something we should be focusing on about like you said you're from India India is a large cash based society there yeah we had like a 20,000 year history and written off gold like yeah like privacy coin if you like it don't focus even on the number going up if we focus on the culture of like just a function of a priority. Viewer 4(01:56:16 - 01:56:45): Or just the function like there is so much lack of privacy and if we just go little back to the old culture of like having cash or like having gold transaction or just buying guns with privacy coin I think it will really drive the adoption then you can have like farmers buying selling vegetables people are buying their grocery stuff with Monero. Viewer 4(01:56:45 - 01:57:11): I think it will drive the circular economy I think for Monero it's very important to have the circular economy. So yeah I think I think Monero or any kind of privacy coin if it needs to succeed I think in the US it needs to penetrate the two a community otherwise I don't think things will get better it will get really worse. Tony(01:57:11 - 01:57:22): The things happening all around the world I can get much work you make is a very good points I have a question for you actually how is the Monero scene around where you live. Viewer 4(01:57:22 - 01:57:33): Do people know about Monero do you know or if you look over here it's like barely and if people are there it's in the shadows yeah. Viewer 4(01:57:33 - 01:58:02): Yes the point of trying because like he is traditionally a large cash economy they understand gold as a store of value right that's very much in their culture buying gold there is even like underground markets of guns but yeah I think if you want to preserve the culture I think the Latin America communities as well as the global South as well as even like even the North Canada or like US. Viewer 4(01:58:02 - 01:58:10): I think you have to penetrate those like political space as well as the two a community without guns I don't think. Doug(01:58:10 - 01:58:26): Yeah I agree I agree I my current thinking is really I think like globally the online and I think ask a non I think he also wants to come to the stage yeah he's also being in message. Viewer 4(01:58:26 - 01:58:55): Okay I thought he was up I don't yeah he was so yeah I think I actually keep getting fidgeting with my webcam it was driving me nuts yeah I think the digital ID thing as well as the like the privacy which will get degraded over time in the internet I think to rectify that all like to get some semblance of the old ways back I think Monero or at least the color. Viewer 2(01:58:55 - 01:59:34): At least the culture of privacy it has to be deeply penetrated inside the two a community as well as the political space otherwise things will get really bad so I actually wanted to throw out some things about the India and I know I had actually touched on this when we had that other guy who had like the strange fed like vibe going on but anyway that other guy from India like a couple of weeks ago. I don't remember which guy that was he just a random. Yeah he had his glasses and his laptop had all kinds of background monitoring software because he does. Viewer 4(01:59:34 - 01:59:51): Oh yeah look at me. Yeah I think it's yeah soon the crack down will begin like a like they have trying to deal is all the exchanges and over here it's like fully surveilled. Viewer 2(01:59:51 - 02:00:30): You remember how a lot of the time when people talk about remittances they always think of it in terms of remittances for like US to Mexico or US to El Salvador or something. Most people don't realize is all former crown countries so in other words anything that used to be recently part of the British Empire have some strange economic ties to one another so for example it wasn't that long ago that you could actually get a zero interest loan that would be paid off by the government over a period of time where you could start a business in one crown country if you came from another crown country so it was really popular for Indians to go to for example. Viewer 2(02:00:30 - 02:00:59): Canada and either like by a convenience store or by a like a truck like a semi truck and get their class A and start driving it and then there would be a lot of remittances that would go from Canada to India or another thing is a lot of people will get jobs in India as like you know entry level tech service person and then they'll use that money for remittances to send workers to for example Saudi Arabia. Viewer 2(02:00:59 - 02:01:24): A lot of people don't realize that the remittance market in India is actually much larger by volume and so there's an even larger economic incentive for Indian work forces to be more interested in the remittance aspect of Manaro but another thing is connecting a bank account for the purposes of liquid of the liquidation of the Manaro right. Viewer 2(02:01:24 - 02:01:53): Manaro offers ways to completely bypass all of that but then outside of that India has a huge bribe problem that you can basically bribe anyone for anything especially if they're like a government official or at the official level some of these people will set their price target for their bribe based on how much money they think you have or another thing about bribes is in order to collect your money you first have to agree to pay a bribe as a percentage of it. Viewer 2(02:01:53 - 02:02:07): But Manaro solves that problem too. There is no place in the world that I know of with a better argument for adopting Manaro than India with the exception of maybe like North Korea or Cuba right or play. Viewer 2(02:02:07 - 02:02:13): But even in that case India has like a larger pool of economic incentive. Viewer 4(02:02:13 - 02:02:42): Oh yes like in India like even like as culture wise like 100 years you'll see the culture of having like a Havala system like the thing is people will just move around like gangs of people or like black market stuff they will just move like pure currency like one people will just give you currency and you will contact the other guy. Yeah that culture is still there but yeah I think we I think legally it's not possible. Viewer 2(02:02:42 - 02:03:11): But underground I think Manaro will survive but yeah if we have like a stratification issue that I would like you to touch on though because this is just my understanding every time I've ever dealt well I probably shouldn't talk but as far as my understanding in India the stratification of the population as far as like the intelligent are extremely hyper intelligence. Viewer 4(02:03:11 - 02:03:37): And then the ignorant masses are a level of ignorant masses that like who will even understand the basic concept of liberty or like what can actually preserve it like gun rights like they don't have that much means generally the public over here is very like learn it or like highly educated. Viewer 2(02:03:37 - 02:04:05): Yeah there's there's a really interesting place for a lot of reasons but one of another really bizarre part about India is it's more divided regionally than even the United States so people think of like this bulk organization going on in the United States where like Wyoming is so different than New York most people in the United States can't even imagine what's what what the like something ripe for division. Viewer 4(02:04:05 - 02:04:12): Or else socialism is a you can blame that to socialism and communism it ruins everybody. Viewer 2(02:04:12 - 02:04:43): It's just bizarre right like the people who get it and for example like Northern India versus the people who don't get it like kind of in the flood plains and on the coasts or like the pockets of the cultural differences in India like Manaro offers a solution that people who are from outside of India. Could they wouldn't even begin to understand it unless they actually learn more about how it actually is in India. Doug(02:04:43 - 02:04:53): We have we have discussed potentially doing a Manaro topian India in like 2025. Oh wow. Oh so interesting. Viewer 4(02:04:53 - 02:04:59): Yeah just bring security like make sure you guys bring your own security. Doug(02:04:59 - 02:05:05): We got a we got a safe place. Viewer 4(02:05:05 - 02:05:18): Yeah it's a safe place but the thing is it's Manaro not any other crypto quite that's I mean Manaro is legal in India right now right? No it's not it's not it's not legal. Viewer 4(02:05:18 - 02:05:26): It's not like underground is like no exchange will use Manaro but it's we cannot even trade. Viewer 2(02:05:26 - 02:05:29): It's a big band in India. Viewer 4(02:05:29 - 02:05:41): Period of here is legal but if you can't use an exchange and yeah you can hold it like it's like very if they get caught you like there is lot of trouble like it's like grey market black. Doug(02:05:41 - 02:05:47): Whether one of these by you coin was X do you ever heard of those exchanges. Viewer 4(02:05:47 - 02:06:05): Those are like worse those are so bad that even the community are using like finance p2p like it's so bad that the the Indian government have to ban those foreign exchanges recently just check out the news. Doug(02:06:05 - 02:06:10): I think and then the right now and there's no way to buy Manaro on us. Viewer 4(02:06:10 - 02:06:24): There is like in look and Manaro yeah there is a way to buy centralized exchange on the centralized exchange. No you are done even like a normal cryptocurrencies they are starting to put restriction. Viewer 4(02:06:24 - 02:06:36): I think they already have like they will try to like harass the exchange owners or like the exchange owners are already copped by intelligence agencies. Viewer 4(02:06:36 - 02:06:47): So you can get the picture so no withdrawal no deposit or yeah only deposit but no withdrawal so everything captured by centralized entity. Viewer 4(02:06:47 - 02:06:49): Yeah but because no. Doug(02:06:49 - 02:07:06): What do you think is the idea of you know we talk about a lot right building the Manaro circular economy. What do you think is the early use case being of freelancers using Manaro like people like let's say like in India yeah providing freelancing services. Viewer 4(02:07:06 - 02:07:24): Yeah actually it's a good idea but I think compared to India the Latin America countries the one in Argentina or L7 Salvador I think those are better targets but yeah if you want to make sure the underground economy is working then India is also good target. Doug(02:07:24 - 02:07:30): But legally I don't see any way thank you so much for jumping on today man this this is been great. Viewer 4(02:07:30 - 02:07:51): Yeah I've been seeing like the culture shift I think Manaro is actually shifting the culture even in other communities. Now even like those Mac sees are starting talking about confidential transaction back again yeah like even they are waking up that lightning doesn't it's having issues and they are like. Viewer 4(02:07:51 - 02:08:03): They're moving to liquid like they are like using that that new aqua wallet like no one even they don't like their own products. Viewer 2(02:08:03 - 02:08:17): What I think is really hilarious is that they've got the five stages of grief thing going on where it was like they just I mean you saw how a bunch of people are starting to talk about Manaro like. Viewer 2(02:08:17 - 02:08:42): Oh Manaro is like layer two Bitcoin and it's like they're bargaining stage for realizing that lightning is total bullshit and it's never going to fucking work. Yeah it's actually surprising like people is like Manaro is layer one and your your whole plan was trash is what happened yeah it's actually surprising people are talking about like Z cash team they are like. Viewer 4(02:08:42 - 02:08:59): C I A plots but compared to them I think the those block stream guys and more like nefarious the most like who even uses that liquid like why would why would you even okay you have a hardware company you have a satellite company. Viewer 4(02:08:59 - 02:09:28): But why would you even have a centralized side chain it makes no sense and you will have like that you will hire all the developer of the number one cryptocurrency it sounds it even looks nefarious you know that I had this saying like the most dangerous glowy is the person who repeats the party policies of the glows but isn't one himself right so the people who are the true believers of the propaganda. Viewer 2(02:09:28 - 02:09:46): Our far more dangerous than the people who are paid to shield the propaganda because the very first repeater is the first person who gives it that that extra layer of credibility as a person who actually. Viewer 4(02:09:46 - 02:10:14): Yeah that's true like even fero and Z cash with all its flaws yeah even with fero and Z cash with all its flaws you can still say they are doing some innovation with halo to all like Lennon just far but what are those liquid guys doing they're just now making sure everyone jumps from lightning to liquid and stay track there without withdrawal or anything. Viewer 2(02:10:14 - 02:10:39): Yeah body was actually I think he was talking about that not long ago I didn't actually get to see the finish to his thoughts but he was talking about making just enough changes to keep everybody a slave but not making enough changes to do anything substantial it'd be interesting for him to finish I mean he probably did finish the thought I just didn't read it but. Bawdyanarchist(02:10:39 - 02:10:43): Are you talking about the post I made on Twitter yeah I saw it last night. Viewer 2(02:10:43 - 02:10:51): Last night before I put my kids to bed and I only got to see like the first thing that you said but I would like to hear more of that whole. Bawdyanarchist(02:10:51 - 02:11:11): I said the worst thing for crypto would be BTC gets a couple small upgrades that sort of like rekindle hope but are insufficient for real progress. What'll happen is that'll just be a note for like another seven day years with marginal progress and it'll look a lot like the contrived political cycle that's designed to stifle humanity. Viewer 4(02:11:11 - 02:11:31): Yeah I'm starting to see some comments like the Indian exchanges are worse like if you really look at the language if you study the language and the culture and look what's happening even on the tutorial faces people are starting getting fed up with the Indian exchanges. Viewer 4(02:11:31 - 02:11:52): We have somebody who's who's in disagreement with you ramen or Roman like the premiere jump on man tell us tell us your thoughts I just put the link in there yeah I think in money like whoever is like even in the money to everyone I think all the governments are making list of them so we have to be careful. Viewer 2(02:11:52 - 02:12:17): Hopefully we'll just get them to make a list of like everybody but I don't know if what this guy's reasoning is but I 2p here I mean we've had a lot of Indian guests come on the show and say a lot of different things but from the information that I have gathered from people who either live in India or work with India or whatever. Viewer 2(02:12:17 - 02:12:29): This guy is absolutely spot on that is exactly what it's like and ramen here I would love if he would come up and argue his case with the problem. Viewer 4(02:12:29 - 02:12:40): Yeah like he's telling like you can withdraw okay good luck withdrawing money. Good luck withdrawing any coin. If it's not a transparent surveillance coin. Viewer 2(02:12:40 - 02:13:08): Private Bitcoin you won't even see the picture. You know and one of the things that I never hear people unlike you know like dark web threads are on you know 4chan or whatever one of the things that I just don't think is brought up enough in the context of crypto is the corruption and bribery problem in India is absolutely mind boggling. Viewer 2(02:13:08 - 02:13:26): Foreign enterprises actually build in bribes and corruption into their cost at this so for example if you want to buy you know like for example pharmaceuticals that are made in India right you get this crazy crazy low price. Viewer 2(02:13:26 - 02:13:49): Then you have to price in like 17% for bribes and it's like openly on the books at these companies even when you're like analyzing their stock prices and stuff that they build in the cost of bribery into doing business within the China is bad but even China you don't openly build in the cost of bribes. Viewer 2(02:13:49 - 02:14:18): You just add to the cost of doing business on that but it is become so normalized for the government to not let anything happen until they get their bribery right and manero specifically offers a solution that I haven't seen anybody else offer right now which is what happens in the shadows nobody can ask for a bribe if they don't know about right what happens in the shadows as far as like a contract negotiation. Viewer 2(02:14:18 - 02:14:29): You can't even make an estimate for how much bribes you be charging but the other thing is people who want to do legitimate business in India are punished ruthlessly by you. Viewer 2(02:14:29 - 02:14:33): Like transparent ledgers are Indian. Viewer 4(02:14:33 - 02:15:25): You want to hear the capital gains tax it's like 30% and there is like a Trump tax deductive at source like TDS at 1% and there is no loss like even if you have profit or even if you have loss you have to pay 30% tax as well as a TDS which will kill the adoption anyway. So everyone is using like foreign exchange just on the show and explain how this man is wrong and because you know he's saying Manero is traded on every Indian exchange so I don't know that's not true as well as the P2P1 you have to understand that the Indian exchanges are far more surveillance through compared to the foreign exchanges as well as the underground market. Doug(02:15:25 - 02:15:30): What is the largest exchange in India is it finance? Viewer 4(02:15:30 - 02:15:47): It's like some of the was lyrics or like coin DC but there's no everyone is using the greatest Indian exchange right now is still finance. It's a foreign exchange because it can you buy bad right now. Viewer 6(02:15:47 - 02:15:58): So you can buy surveillance coins in India and then take them and then do swap for Manero so like for example I can buy yeah it's still possible and then do a swap. Viewer 4(02:15:58 - 02:16:06): Yeah it's still possible if you want to pay the high fees of Bitcoin or but yeah it's like very limited people. Doug(02:16:06 - 02:16:13): Just to be because like I still up to this day get Manero on finance in India or you're saying you can't you they won't let you withdraw. Viewer 4(02:16:13 - 02:16:35): So I'm starting to see yeah you can use finance like it was still it was so popular because people can use privacy coins to just buy use finance and just get privacy coin or just use any foreign exchange like. Good coin or any other exchange but the thing is even look at Manero is working. Viewer 2(02:16:35 - 02:16:57): You know the army of normies that'll use like Robinhood or whatever on their phone and they'll do all other like exchange trading and all that on Robinhood and like the friction point is when you go to try to withdraw right it's either you cash out or you know you get put on some list to wait for having your Manero transfer to a wallet somewhere. Viewer 2(02:16:57 - 02:17:22): I'm starting to see what ramen is saying I think that what he doesn't understand is if your goal isn't to put fiat into an exchange and do some trading and then take fiat out if your goal is to actually liquidate your holdings into a Manero wallet as XMR you can't like even the places where you supposedly can. Viewer 2(02:17:22 - 02:17:36): Like the clearing is next to impossible and they're also going to they're going to deduct your capital gains at the point of the attempt to liquidate in fact I'm looking at it right now. Doug(02:17:36 - 02:17:48): But wait wait hold on but just to be super clear is can you currently buy the narrow on finance today in India and withdraw yes yes or no. Viewer 4(02:17:48 - 02:17:57): Right now yeah I think with the monetization tag I think everyone is avoiding it but yeah it's still possible but very high risk. Viewer 2(02:17:57 - 02:18:32): Yeah well part of the problem too is if you're not liquidating for fiat there's an impossible number of extra steps right it's so yeah if you want to really buy and hold money. I think the best one is look at the money. Yeah because I mean it looks like ramen is right yeah like in theory you could do all of that but just looking at some of the basic steps of what it takes to do that it's I mean it's almost as complicated as using lightning right it's like who wants to do this crap. Doug(02:18:32 - 02:18:51): Ramen you're welcome to jump up we put the link there Tony you want you want to move on do we still have more news we have just one more thing or more let's say let's get to it as we get to it yeah so just one more minute and then we can discuss more so it can attizing to the German protest that we were discussing so this decoration. Tony(02:18:51 - 02:19:00): Prime Minister miss love Colacus each I think his name talking about the farmers. Doug(02:19:00 - 02:19:18): No wait no sound. Colac on okay I don't know what you have to do how you do that. Okay give me one second. There's no worries. Yeah did you just did ramen drop up? No. Is this that you will eat the bugs? Oh man I love this one. Tony(02:19:18 - 02:19:25): Yeah yeah yeah this is a very good video yeah okay you should be able to do here now so. SPEAKER_00 (02:19:25 - 02:20:04): Speaking Do you have you The structure of the new design is a completely controlled ceremony of the исполн tegoction in Kingís public space, someone who weakening the opportunity to gather about prominent spaces that have been introduced upon them was operating on the SPEAKER_00 (02:20:04 - 02:20:33): Also, by the way, I said he's a prime minister. I'm sorry, he's not a prime minister. He's just a member of the parliament. So he's not the actual prime minister of Croatia. Tony(02:20:33 - 02:20:43): But I'm so happy that he got on the stage on the European parliament. I think I got to say what he said. Viewer 6(02:20:43 - 02:20:51): Okay, can you translate that because I did not understand that and I can't read it. So. Viewer 2(02:20:51 - 02:21:24): So what against the farmers, the purpose of this war is for them to stop existing. The land will be transferred over to the construction sector and your only food will be synthetically created or imported bugs and only the ritual be allowed to buy and eat organic. Because you're interfering with this new insane ideology of top down control. That's pretty appreciate it. Thanks. Doug(02:21:24 - 02:21:43): Is that all the news, Tony? Yes. Maybe you could talk about the recent donations that have been made to the children of a small community of for most of it. Yeah, we talk about it all. I think we spoke about it last episode. Tony, I don't know if you could bring it up a squel a squel a Bitcoin who I met in person when I went to Argentina. Doug(02:21:43 - 02:21:55): He's the guy that actually convinced me to go to for most of us like on the fence a little bit. It was a big trip. He's like, yeah, you got to come check out Manero town. He's a big BTC privacy guy. Doug(02:21:55 - 02:22:14): But he's also he's also out there teaching people about Manero because Manero's kind of already gained attention in this small town, EBITDA in Formosa. But recently he's been posting he's been like he's been teaching the young children of EBITDA about sovereign money. Doug(02:22:14 - 02:22:27): He's been teaching them about non fiat money. He's he's a good educator. If you look at his tweets. He's been doing some interesting things trying to simplify things for the kids teach them the importance of sound money. Doug(02:22:27 - 02:22:45): And he's onboarding them to Bitcoin and Manero. And he recently raised some money. I think mostly from the Manero community to buy by the locals cell phones to get him up running get their own wallets, which is, which is really nice to see. I don't know if you can find his tweets. Viewer 6(02:22:45 - 02:23:02): Just swell a Bitcoin. And if you if you haven't seen it, you should definitely watch Manero talk episode 295 with Nate Eat Sleep crypto because his quote I really liked it because he was talking about every Bitcoin maximalist is secretly a Manero maximalist. Viewer 6(02:23:02 - 02:23:08): And it's Bitcoin Bitcoin in the streets and Manero in the sheets. Oh my god, that's awesome. Doug(02:23:08 - 02:23:18): That's a good like t-shirt. I have to get how to get Sunita that was that was a really fantastic like episode and I love that. Viewer 2(02:23:18 - 02:23:27): As much as I love that shirt, I can't wear it because I'm Bitcoin both play. I mean, I'm in both places like I'm not Bitcoin anywhere. Viewer 6(02:23:27 - 02:23:30): Yeah, that's me that's me too. Viewer 2(02:23:30 - 02:23:41): I love how these kids wearing Manero stuff like it walk around with like Linux or Manero property. Yeah, all the time too. It's amazing. Doug(02:23:41 - 02:23:56): So this is the kids that he's teaching here. They're from like the local like like Indian tribes of the area. We went and visited them when we were there. We brought them food, which we purchased with Manero. That was all a sound there was idea. Doug(02:23:56 - 02:24:10): We went to like the bodega that accepted Manero and the bakery and we just bought a bunch of stuff. And in return, they gave us stuff to then donate. We went and donated, but he's been hanging out with them teaching them. Doug(02:24:10 - 02:24:21): It's really nice to see. And yeah, I don't know if you saw the cell phone one, but he got one of the cell phone. This by the way, guys, is where Copa Manero will be taking place in Ibidata. Doug(02:24:21 - 02:24:24): We'll be talking about that more soon. Viewer 2(02:24:24 - 02:24:29): Yeah, I'm so stoked for that. I have no idea. Doug(02:24:29 - 02:24:45): We're making the poster now. I have said, dark to make in the poster. We'll start talking about it more soon. We worked out a deal with Alessandro. He's going to help us get it off the ground right now. Looks like it's going to be 12 local teams that are going to be competing over the course of a couple of months. Doug(02:24:45 - 02:25:09): Like three months, let's say that we'll be playing games on the week, primarily the weekends, but then we're going to live stream all the games. Alessandro found this this this like talented local video, like video company that does this for other local sporting events where they've they do a good job at live streaming the games with some good camera angles. Doug(02:25:09 - 02:25:24): And I'm seeing the game in Spanish. So people be able to tune in, watch Copa Manero as it evolves. I think it'll be exciting. Maybe, maybe, maybe there'll be some some gambling taking place on the side who knows who knows what's going to happen. Tony(02:25:24 - 02:25:27): I'll be cool. Viewer 2(02:25:27 - 02:25:39): If there was some really exciting and fun and joyous gambling that we do not condone or recommend in any way where a person was having an absolute blast. Doug(02:25:39 - 02:25:58): Then I'm Copa Manero, the official Copa Manero.com website. That's what we'll, you know, we'll show all the teams and then we'll keep updates show all the stats. And have a properly assessed their favorite team and watch them. It should be should be fun. I'm excited. Doug(02:25:58 - 02:26:16): I mean, the vision if we could get it to come into fruition, but so far so good. And Alessandro is really motivated. Alessandro is the guy who's got got Manero town started there and even at this. So he's very motivated individual and he runs the local soccer club down there. So it's kind of the perfect. Viewer 4(02:26:16 - 02:26:29): Argentine is a good spot for education. This one since they have that new president. Yeah, could be like a plant like a CIA asset, but yeah, still it's a good experiment. Viewer 4(02:26:29 - 02:26:49): Oh, yeah, you think that Malay is a controlled controlled opposition. Could be but who cares at least we caught at least in the camera and I know. Yeah, he's been doing some pretty interesting stuff off of that. Even if he's fake, but still and first time in our group capitalism, even the sound of it. Viewer 4(02:26:49 - 02:27:02): I think it's a very good thing. But yeah, I think if he wants to show his cards, he will eventually he will just show his cards, but yeah, I think still he will get more opposition anyway. Viewer 2(02:27:02 - 02:27:16): You know, there's there's something really bizarre going on with so a long time ago, the like the FBI and the CIA used to be like kind of like rival factions in a sense, right? Viewer 2(02:27:16 - 02:27:45): Like the and then it was basically at the beginning of like the Obama era where all of the sudden they were like constantly doing the same things for the same purposes. And even like the most like government bootlicking agents within the agencies were just like wait, wait a minute because it used to be like red versus blue or like, you know, one of those team things where it's like the like packers versus Vikings or whatever. Viewer 2(02:27:45 - 02:27:58): And it kind of oddly shattered the illusion for a lot of these people, but then at about the same time, some of these people who are like delusionally imagining themselves to be these patriots fighting the bad guys or whatever. Viewer 2(02:27:58 - 02:28:13): We're starting to see that they're marching orders were like like overtly blatantly like destroy the country, you know, destroy the economy, destroy the social fabric of the United States. Viewer 2(02:28:13 - 02:28:32): And there was a lot of people who started to like turn around. Well, some of those people were they had X amount of time before they could collect their pensions. It was a lot more than you might think. And so they had in their minds like I'm going to go along to get along for another, you know, five year and I knew a lot of these. Viewer 2(02:28:32 - 02:28:45): And so they would say, oh, well, as soon as I get my pension, well, then they watched pensions basically go tits up and they found out that all of that was a lie too and that the fiat fed note all of that stuff. Viewer 2(02:28:45 - 02:29:00): So you have this in not just that the CIA versus fed, you know, FBI level, but also at the higher levels like, you know, these these world governing bodies that, you know, like the world economic form or whatever. Viewer 2(02:29:00 - 02:29:21): There's a lot of people who are brought into that as, you know, young people who are led to believe that they were going to make this a lesium society and were forced fed some Kool-Aid that still imagine themselves to be a part of these groups and still imagine themselves to be part of like this a lesium we're going to save humanity. Viewer 2(02:29:21 - 02:29:43): And yeah, maybe we have to kill a couple of them or whatever, but they don't see how you get communist and socialism. Well, it's a little bit. It's the only one that I'm forced earth thing, right? And I have a sneaking suspicion that some of the people who have risen to prominence represent people who are like in the club, right? Viewer 2(02:29:43 - 02:30:04): But they don't actually see the same vision of like the scorched earth policy, you know, we have to destroy everything to rebuild it. And some of them are believers in kind of like the, you know, let the let the best and brightest kind of climbed to the top, because that's what it was sold as originally, right? Viewer 2(02:30:04 - 02:30:23): I remember back in the day when you would be approached by these kinds of people they'd say, you know, the ignorant masses will never appreciate you anyway. The ignorant masses are not, you know, they don't deserve this life extension technology. They don't deserve this, you know, really cool computer technology or whatever. Viewer 2(02:30:23 - 02:30:39): And if you give it to them, they're just going to ruin everything. But what if you join this exclusive club and you can have all of the benefits and whatever, and the people who are worthy, they'll climb to the top of the cesspool of the ignorant masses and then we'll bring them in, right? Viewer 2(02:30:39 - 02:30:52): Well, that illusion is breaking down for the people who are inside the club because they see the best and brightest being beaten down back into the ignorant mass cesspool. Viewer 2(02:30:52 - 02:31:10): Now, I don't believe any of this, but this is how they see it, right? And this is how they'll describe it. Well, that illusion is being ruptured. And so a lot of the insiders, I would imagine, I don't get to be an insider because I'm pretty vocal about like let's burn their shit down, right? Viewer 2(02:31:10 - 02:31:34): But it appears to me that the insiders are now having within their own club, people who are more like pro ignorant masses, I guess you can say, and people who would like to see more freedom and more open economies and they also see that this very same system of you will eat the bugs and you will live in a coffin and all that stuff. Viewer 2(02:31:34 - 02:31:54): As soon as the masses are put into that position, they're next or the technocracy, like technocratic elite were supposed to be like, oh, well, the ignorant masses will stay poor, but you, if you build the AI and if you build the drones and all of that stuff, then you'll get in the inside club. Viewer 2(02:31:54 - 02:32:17): Well, they're starting to realize that they're next on the chopping block as well. And those are the people that prop up the leaders, right? So within the self perceived elite, whatever they want to call themselves, we'll call them the arrogant technocrats, right? Viewer 2(02:32:17 - 02:32:32): Even within that group of people, there's their survival instinct is turning on. Now, I don't care to like, yay, Malay, whatever, but to me, it's like either we give ourselves freedom or we're never going to have it, right? So, okay, cool. Viewer 4(02:32:32 - 02:32:46): Yeah, I think that's true. I think the biggest mistake the US foreign policy they have done is that they didn't mean to advance the second amendment to the rest of the world. Viewer 4(02:32:46 - 02:33:19): They just told, oh, privacy of freedom or democracy. What the heck? If you do not have like this gun rights, I think, okay, yeah, you, if in rest of the country's home, if you are not not, yeah, or Cuba, you can have like graphene always with your pixel phone, or you can have like good amount of like economic freedom or like political freedom. But when things start getting bad, the thing that will save you are guns. Viewer 2(02:33:19 - 02:33:34): If you really want to make a small alteration for what you're saying, hey, man, it's not about having the codified law of you are allowed to have gun. It's about actually having guns and ammo, okay? Viewer 2(02:33:34 - 02:34:01): Yep, that's true. That's why I think the amendment gives you the right. The longer people have that in their head, the weaker the argument becomes. It's like, either you have guns and you have ammo, or you don't have a second amendment, whether or not it's written in a constitutional, it's completely irrelevant. And the other thing that I like to tell people is, either you have them and you know how to use them, or you don't have them, right? Viewer 2(02:34:01 - 02:34:19): You would not believe how many times I've seen like some African country, you know, like the UN just dumps a giant pile of guns and ammo into the hands of the local population. And because they don't know how to use it, they're taken down by a bunch of machete wielding people or whatever. Viewer 2(02:34:19 - 02:34:39): Because they'll just sit there and not even know how to reload, not even know how to use a magazine, not even know how to pull a charging handle, you know, clear, like clear their firearm or either you know how to use them, or you don't have them, and either you have them, or there's no point in the law. Viewer 4(02:34:39 - 02:34:55): And by the way, it doesn't end with you having them. Your neighbors also have to have them and know how to use them. Yeah, that's true. I think the concept of natural right of self defense, I think people will soon need to wake up to that. Viewer 4(02:34:55 - 02:35:11): Yeah, that is true, but the thing is with 3D printing, yeah, it's actually make sure that the gun rights, like what happened with the US like the NFA, the restriction of machine guns, fully automatic machine guns. Viewer 4(02:35:11 - 02:35:30): I think even if it gets resolved, if you have the political like a support to remove that, yeah, but for the rest of the world, I think they will soon when things get rough, they will soon need to wake up to the their natural right of self defense. Viewer 4(02:35:30 - 02:35:37): But yeah, I think it will take like a huge amount of suffering to get through on a couple of points. Viewer 7(02:35:37 - 02:36:12): So yeah, Alaska violence totally correct. Every time communist come to power, they liquidate the kind of radicals that brought them into power. Like the Soviets did it. They had the communist, the Stalinist purges Hitler liquidated the brown shirts, the Chinese liquidated the red guard after they came to power. So that's something I think we're going to you always see division and splintering in these movements. So I think we're probably going to start seeing that in the next decade or sooner with the globalist. Viewer 7(02:36:12 - 02:36:18): But the shit was my other thing I was going to mention. Oh well. Doug(02:36:18 - 02:36:32): All right, guys, we're coming on to three hours here. I think I thought this was a great show. Thank you to the new guy jumped up. I don't know what to call you to I do. Viewer 4(02:36:32 - 02:36:47): It's just a name like to mention that yeah, we need like even network level privacy. The things like about to happen in the future, we have to really amp up our differences. Doug(02:36:47 - 02:36:53): Sounds like we should have Alaska in onto these gun shows to do the Lord's work on Manera. Viewer 2(02:36:53 - 02:37:05): But actually I've done it before. I didn't want to say anything, but I've actually done the Manera evangelizing at a gun show many times. Viewer 2(02:37:05 - 02:37:19): It's in it goes pretty well, but one of the missing pieces is there's not enough people 3D printing. And there's also not enough people who have the technical expertise to make ammo. Viewer 2(02:37:19 - 02:37:35): The chemistry side of ammo production escapes a lot of people because consistent blast effectiveness like consistent. Like chemical energy in your powder is a major issue for a lot of people. Viewer 7(02:37:35 - 02:37:47): Oh, the 3D gun communities already solved that they have 3D printed maglev guns. So basically any Ferris material you can find it can actually shoot it at high velocity. Viewer 7(02:37:47 - 02:37:52): So you could take us strip of metal trim and just cut it into little squares. Viewer 2(02:37:52 - 02:38:07): Coil gun. So tiny rail guns. You can do them at scales that are mind blowing. Like you can, I mean in theory anyway, I'm not saying anyone should do this or maybe has done it, but you could totally mount a coil gun on like an excavator. Viewer 2(02:38:07 - 02:38:22): I mean, you can take coil guns to a level that are absolutely mind blowing. And in fact, as long as the grid is running properly, you know, there might be like high voltage lines or three phase lines that like, I'm just saying coil guns are amazing, but. Viewer 2(02:38:22 - 02:38:49): The biggest problem with like either your arm to the teeth with firearms so you can kill just the thing that you want to kill or your arm to the teeth with chemicals underneath the kitchen sink and you take everybody with them, you know, and that's, that's the real argument for the second amendment is either I'm going to kill just the guys I'm trying to kill or I'm going to kill everybody along with the guys that I'm trying to kill. Viewer 7(02:38:49 - 02:39:06): Which one you do prefer, right? Well, besides the the open source mag the rail gun, the magnetic rail gun that can shoot any fairest material at all. There's also an open source laser rifle that can basically set anything combustible on fire instantly. Viewer 7(02:39:06 - 02:39:08): I don't know on YouTube. Viewer 2(02:39:08 - 02:40:02): Laser and on he lived out here. He got caught because he murdered some people I won't get in. But I don't know if you remember like one of the guys who was instrumental on like putting all of that out. He lived out here. I did not you can't get to him by road from where I was at, but there was like a couple of days. It's like trying to talk him off the legend and finally I found out he had already done it on well, but I don't know if that's if that interest you or you even remember who laser and on was, but yeah, he actually did kill him with the laser gun, by the way. Viewer 4(02:40:02 - 02:40:16): The things that advancing with 3d tech, I think I don't really liberate if properly it's it is allowed to happen or somehow we just get the tech outside. Viewer 4(02:40:16 - 02:40:20): I think 3d printing will really liberate a lot of people. Doug(02:40:20 - 02:40:39): I think that's what Santa just got my daughter 3d printer. I see Roman is saying sorry I was too loud and also use hard swords. I understand I can keep my point without being polite also I can keep my point with being polite also I will people not happening. Wow, thanks man. That was a very big of you do. Doug(02:40:39 - 02:40:50): We were a lot of people. You're awesome as well because you know, he was making some good counterpoints and just trying to get the proper information out there. Viewer 4(02:40:50 - 02:41:02): Yeah, above that, if you want to know more information, just research the crypto tax in India as well as the other car and how to get a SIM card, just research those. Doug(02:41:02 - 02:41:14): More than welcome to come on the show anytime and give us the update to what's going on there and Roman as well. You're always welcome to jump up on stage. You don't put your camera on. Viewer 2(02:41:14 - 02:41:34): Yeah, and Roman, I hope you see that I was really grateful that you did what you did because as I dug a little deeper I realized we were being a little hyperbolic. Like when we say you can't get XMR you can't get XMR. Well, we're talking about in the context of the practicality, right? But you were right, you can and you can trade it and you can. Viewer 2(02:41:34 - 02:41:45): But you know, one of the things when you when you push just to clarify that was very important because we don't want to put blatantly false information because of how hyperbolic it is. Viewer 2(02:41:45 - 02:42:05): Yeah, I mean, you're right that it is possible, but kind of the point that was being attempted there that we did kind of a bad job at is that between, you know, the taxes and liquidating actual XMR e-notes into an XMR wallet. Viewer 2(02:42:05 - 02:42:18): And like the many steps between putting money on the exchanges and then taking XMR off the exchanges, it's highly impractical for the purposes that, you know, this community would be interested in. Viewer 2(02:42:18 - 02:42:37): And I'm super glad that you pushed us to be better in the in the clarity of this situation. And then also looking into what you were saying, I also realized that I too was not fully informed as to how people are getting XMR in India right now. Viewer 2(02:42:37 - 02:42:47): I was definitely at least a couple of months out of date. The point still stands for sure, but the clarification that you brought to the table is very appropriate. Doug(02:42:47 - 02:43:08): How that works, Manera Topia is welcome to all all all ideas, all arguments, all opinions, you know, well, two degree as long as it's focused on the topic, topic at hand. All right, guys, I'm going to call here and left any any last words from anybody who wants to get anything out there before I close it out. Viewer 7(02:43:08 - 02:43:19): Yeah, the IRS last word on IRS taxing. I think that's going to be a relative good relatively good thing for Manero net on net. Viewer 7(02:43:19 - 02:43:28): Okay, people are going to start realizing like, oh shit, this is getting serious. And I think what they're going to start taking a look at Manero much harder looking Manero. Doug(02:43:28 - 02:43:40): Another strison effect coming coming to play there. I agree. What last words? I agree. You know what? Up, go ahead, bro. Viewer 4(02:43:40 - 02:43:46): Yeah, that's just in his theft. I think people will soon understand the true meaning of those words. Viewer 2(02:43:46 - 02:44:18): The real argument with the tax thing with the tax code for the normies who are like afraid of, you know, my taxes, if I don't pay taxes blah, blah, blah, you know, if you talk to one of these spineless jellyfish who are absolutely pathetic cowards, you can easily tell them. Look, no matter how hard you try to comply with the law, you will not. It's basically written to make sure that there is some kind of way that it can be interpreted against your favor. Viewer 2(02:44:18 - 02:44:33): The safest and best way to protect yourself from being audited is to start with the most private way to do any and all interaction and then only volunteer information that you believe you are obligated to volunteer. Viewer 2(02:44:33 - 02:45:02): If you want to pay your taxes, you should at least protect your privacy as far as you possibly can to keep the eye of the of saran off of you. And if you don't approach it that way, you are willfully sacrificing the wealth of your children, your own personal security, you are volunteering your personal information to any hacker or any three letter agency that wants to go. Viewer 2(02:45:02 - 02:45:14): You should always start from the position of being as private as humanly possible and work your way out from there. And if you don't do that, then you deserve what's coming to you. Doug(02:45:14 - 02:45:32): Yeah, and unfortunately, you might bring us down with you, so don't do it. This is the great show guys. This is fantastic. We've had consistently over 50 people streaming in today. I think we hit 60 at one point, even now we're at like 46 50. Doug(02:45:32 - 02:45:44): This is nice to see like like and share the show guys. Let's keep growing this community to the point where we, you know, we really just don't don't care what what they do on the outside. Doug(02:45:44 - 02:45:55): Just opt out, build build our own thing here and proceed. Thank you so much everybody. We do the shows every Saturday at 11 a.m. Eastern Tony man. Thanks for running the show this week. Doug(02:45:55 - 02:46:14): Thank you. Thanks as always man for consistently jumping up here shortwave. Thank you. New guy. Thank you man. Very insightful. You're welcome anytime to jump up here. Drunk dial me. Appreciate it. Body man. Thank you for doing the pressure port as always. Viewer 4(02:46:14 - 02:46:22): The IP the event name that we can call you like just some kind of handle. This is fine. Viewer 2(02:46:22 - 02:46:27): Okay, I'm just going to call you I to P. Okay. Doug(02:46:27 - 02:46:36): Okay. All right. We'll see you guys next Saturday 11 a.m. Eastern Tony. You want to roll the credits? Let's do it. Sunita(02:46:36 - 02:46:51): Thank you for joining us on this week's Manera Topia episode. We stream live shows every Saturday at 11 a.m. Eastern. 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