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Police Hunt Down Man After He Killed His Entire Family · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: Stand by.
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  Speaker 2: This is chasing Carroll's and he's currently being chased by
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  Speaker 2: twelve police cars and one police helicopter.
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  Speaker 1: Will stop a little bit of draffic here.
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  Speaker 2: The reason is that just a few hours ago, he
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  Speaker 2: killed all three of his children to get back at
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  Speaker 2: his wife for divorcing him.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Why'd you do it?
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  Speaker 1: I think I felt like I was saving.
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  Speaker 2: However, this car chase would end in a disaster.
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  Speaker 1: Steel bridge coming up, he's swerving.
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  Speaker 2: It all started on Monday morning of June thirteenth, twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty two. The Police Department of Round Lake, Illinois received
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  Speaker 2: a shocking phone call from thirty year old Debbie Carroll's,
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  Speaker 2: who had just discovered her kids unresponsive.
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  Speaker 4: The emergency him and link my kids, my husband, my kids.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, tell me exactly what happened. I came home to
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  Speaker 5: take the kids and they're all in the bed and they're.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: How many children? Three?
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  Speaker 7: How are they killed?
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  Speaker 5: Please? Hold? They're cold? Okay, please, ma'am Sam? How are they?
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  Speaker 6: How are they killed?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe some to them or so late
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  Speaker 5: in the bed. I'm assuming.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, where are you all right, ma'am?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 5: We have officers there.
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  Speaker 1: Where are you right now?
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  Speaker 5: I'm upstairs.
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  Speaker 4: We come and saw them.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, he's upstairs.
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  Speaker 5: Please please guys, wake up, please, right, we got to
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  Speaker 5: get in.
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  Speaker 10: There for the rest of It's going to take them.
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  Speaker 7: Today, please farmit.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, coming up here.
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  Speaker 7: Is there anybody else in the house?
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  Speaker 8: Ma'am?
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  Speaker 10: Is there in the house?
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  Speaker 1: What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 7: Okay, ma'am do you have any weapons?
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  Speaker 10: Okay, I'm gonna have you step out here.
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  Speaker 2: When officers made it to this horrifying scene, they quickly
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  Speaker 2: escorted the traumatized mother out of the room and inside
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  Speaker 2: they found her three kids, Bryant, Cassidy, and Giddeon, all
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  Speaker 2: lying in the same bed, completely unresponsive. As of now,
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  Speaker 2: all the information officers have comes from Debbie's nine to
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  Speaker 2: one one call, where she claimed her husband committed the act. However,
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  Speaker 2: he is nowhere to be found, so they decide to
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  Speaker 2: ask her you spoke.
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  Speaker 3: To them at all today?
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  Speaker 2: Debbie would go on to explain that she drove to
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  Speaker 2: this house to pick up the kids from Jason Carroll's,
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  Speaker 2: her thirty six year old ex husband with whom she
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  Speaker 2: had been going through a divorce two days prior to
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  Speaker 2: this crime. Debbie said She had given Jason their three
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  Speaker 2: kids to spend time with him, not realizing this would
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  Speaker 2: be the last time she saw them alive. When it
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  Speaker 2: was time to pick them back up, Jason wouldn't answer
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  Speaker 2: the calls, making Debbie grow nervous. That's when she decided
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  Speaker 2: to check up on her children herself, only to discover
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  Speaker 2: the scene Jason left behind. These facts alone are enough
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  Speaker 2: to make Jason the prime suspect. Police officers decided check
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  Speaker 2: on the whole house and confirm that the suspect is
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  Speaker 2: on the loose and not hiding somewhere at the crime scene.
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  Speaker 10: I want to make sure no one is hiding in
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  Speaker 10: the house.
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  Speaker 3: That we're missing out on. If you guys want to
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  Speaker 3: be I'm going.
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  Speaker 12: To check the rest of these rooms, please.
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  Speaker 3: I got a knife in the bathroom.
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  Speaker 10: I got a knife in the bathroom. The scaddress sounds familiar.
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  Speaker 10: I'll come over here.
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  Speaker 5: I'm looking there.
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  Speaker 10: No, I don't see anything in here, so I feel
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  Speaker 10: pretty confident up here. I guess we shouldn't have anybody
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  Speaker 10: but a rescue your mother that.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like Jason is not in the house. The
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  Speaker 2: only thing this female officer finds is this knife near
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  Speaker 2: the bloodied sink along with a bloody razor blade. These
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  Speaker 2: could be possible murder weapons that Jason used in this
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  Speaker 2: disturbing crime. However, when the medical examiners arrived at the
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  Speaker 2: scene and had their first look of the victims, they
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  Speaker 2: would quickly dismiss this theory entirely.
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  Speaker 13: So you wolves on the kids because there's a lot
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  Speaker 13: of blood.
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  Speaker 12: I don't want to make you guys pleasure anything they're
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  Speaker 12: seeing the other the blood to the hands here, I mean,
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  Speaker 12: it's nothing that would ever be worth for sauscitating at
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  Speaker 12: this point because they're just What I'm wondering is this
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  Speaker 12: is Dad.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure whose it is, but I don't believe
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  Speaker 1: it's one of there.
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  Speaker 2: The victims had large, strange markings on their necks, the lips, skin,
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  Speaker 2: and even nails on all three of them were completely blue.
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  Speaker 2: It was clear the victims had been choked, but there
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  Speaker 2: were no signs of stab wounds or similar on their bodies.
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  Speaker 2: This made the officer's question where exactly all the blood
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  Speaker 2: had come from, and every room the officers would look
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  Speaker 2: through there were pools of it, especially in the master
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  Speaker 2: bedroom where the victims were found. This is where one
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  Speaker 2: of the officers would find a trail of blood droplets
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  Speaker 2: leading downstairs into the kitchen, where she would find their
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  Speaker 2: biggest clue yet, a letter to Debbie. Despite the difficult handwriting,
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  Speaker 2: there are several clues in the narrative proving that Jason
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  Speaker 2: Carrolls wrote this note and left it in plain sight
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  Speaker 2: for Debbie to find. According to Jason, their marriage lasted
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  Speaker 2: for seven years before they filed for divorce and fought
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  Speaker 2: in court over the full custody of their children. Halfway
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  Speaker 2: through the note, it seems that Jason lost the court,
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  Speaker 2: and this is also confirmed by the disturbing sentence written
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of the note. If I can't have them,
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  Speaker 2: neither can you. Finally, Jason ends the letter by saying
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  Speaker 2: he would end everything on his terms. Yet it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: the most horrifying thing the officer would discover. In the
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  Speaker 2: same room, she'd find another writing now on the board,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry I loved them too much to leave them behind.
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  Speaker 2: You promised, you swore you lied. This is not just evidence,
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  Speaker 2: This is a confession that whatever happened to their kids,
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  Speaker 2: he knows the absolute truth. But if he did what
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  Speaker 2: he promised to do, then police officers would have more
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  Speaker 2: trouble finding his body than his confession, but luck was
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  Speaker 2: on the officer's side this time. Something was missing in
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  Speaker 2: that house, specifically in the garage Jason's read twenty ten
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  Speaker 2: Nissan Maxima, a significant clue that would help them find Jason.
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  Speaker 2: Moments later, the Round Lake Beach Police would alert police
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  Speaker 2: departments across the Chicago area to look for that exact car.
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  Speaker 2: The clock was ticking, but it wouldn't be long before
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  Speaker 2: an Illinois state officer discovered a car that fit the
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  Speaker 2: description perfectly and attempted a traffic stop. They weren't sure
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  Speaker 2: if this was their guy until the driver stepped on
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  Speaker 2: the gas and sped away quickly. This would result in
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  Speaker 2: a major police chase that would draft hell copters and
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  Speaker 2: a dozen units, ending in absolute disaster. But before we
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  Speaker 2: that said, let's catch back up with Jason, who just
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  Speaker 2: sped away from the officer that tried to stop him.
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  Speaker 2: That officer wasted no time in calling all available units
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  Speaker 2: to help catch him, including a police helicopter equipped with
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  Speaker 2: thermal vision. The adrenaline pumping chase continued like this for
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  Speaker 2: seventeen minutes, with police driving as fast as possible, but
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  Speaker 2: Jason somehow going quicker, even managing to slip out of
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  Speaker 2: the helicopter's vision for a brief time.
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  Speaker 6: Former, what's bound her?
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  Speaker 1: All?
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  Speaker 8: Right?
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  Speaker 9: Well, there he's gonna falling on the state units. I
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  Speaker 9: got ten to fifty eight.
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  Speaker 1: Of night shoulder. Now off night shoulder, go right on.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's here.
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  Speaker 14: I'm forty one him gott I got over.
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  Speaker 8: And over, we'll come up, come up on dnight shoulder.
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  Speaker 2: If Jason had more fuel than the helicopter, there might
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  Speaker 2: have been a slight chance he could have gotten away.
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  Speaker 2: What suddenly this happens.
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  Speaker 4: Steel bridge, coming up, Steel bridge, coming up, continuing.
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  Speaker 1: Up, Vehicles off the roadway, vehicles off the roadway.
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  Speaker 6: Here at he came all the way down.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, Water Street, Water Street and dunkin Water Street and duncan.
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  Speaker 9: I can't see oh man, don't know. Did you see
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  Speaker 9: his hands yet? No, mater huge, let's have that hurt.
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  Speaker 9: Put your other hand out the car.
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  Speaker 7: Yell welcome to the car. I don't no nice, no,
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  Speaker 7: no right now, fast rations up on the arm.
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  Speaker 9: My friends, to try and make you.
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  Speaker 4: Can you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we don't move away to child right now?
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  Speaker 4: Else you know.
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  Speaker 9: He was up across the bud. That's good man me.
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  Speaker 2: Further inspection of Jason State proves that Jason is unharmed,
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  Speaker 2: but clearly struggles to stay something conscious. But even then,
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  Speaker 2: he has enough strength to admit what he did back
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  Speaker 2: at the house, and.
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  Speaker 6: All of a sudden, you'll member what I havn't.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, I know what I did, but.
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  Speaker 8: We'll worry.
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  Speaker 9: It's to help you.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, where are you from?
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  Speaker 7: True stuff?
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  Speaker 1: From?
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  Speaker 7: No, I've heard some stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, talk on your KNA.
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  Speaker 1: We are not gather enough.
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  Speaker 6: En So hey, we got to get him out that
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  Speaker 6: I want to keep control of the spands you.
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  Speaker 7: I had to clear the solid player of pharmacy.
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  Speaker 2: For the next ten minutes, a team of rescuers would
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  Speaker 2: be working hard to cut off the roof of his
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  Speaker 2: vehicle and get him out safely. Although he looks mostly uninjured,
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  Speaker 2: the EMS cannot take their chances and take him to
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  Speaker 2: the nearest hospital. It would be an absolute miracle for
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  Speaker 2: Jason not to have any damages, especially after a disastrous crash.
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  Speaker 2: He somehow survived escaping death this day, But the person
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  Speaker 2: he couldn't escape no matter what, was Detective Brera. After
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  Speaker 2: being informed of Jason's stable condition, he and his partner
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  Speaker 2: were dispatched to the hospital. Their only goal was to
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  Speaker 2: get as much information out of Jason as possible about
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  Speaker 2: what had happened hours earlier, but more importantly, why it happened.
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  Speaker 2: To do this, they'd start with talking about his relationship
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  Speaker 2: to his former wife and the mother of his children.
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  Speaker 15: So what's what's going on when you're in your wife, man?
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  Speaker 15: I mean from my understanding where you guys have had
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  Speaker 15: some issues or well my my.
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  Speaker 1: Side of it.
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  Speaker 6: I mean you can go and look bat like text
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  Speaker 6: visit his phone falls like for since we know each other,
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  Speaker 6: I've always complained about how she she makes up the
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  Speaker 6: face to justify how she treats face. You can I
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  Speaker 6: put up with it because I haven't a self worse.
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  Speaker 6: And then and she's always like maniplating me and and
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  Speaker 6: they put me down and even need to me. The
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  Speaker 6: only time like I've really been meaning to her has
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  Speaker 6: been it's it's like I'm not even being mean. It's
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  Speaker 6: more like it's like she's said something mean and rude
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  Speaker 6: that's not true to hurt me. So I say something
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  Speaker 6: mean back because I know if I say something mean,
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  Speaker 6: she'll tell me that truth.
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  Speaker 2: Clearly, this doesn't make much sense. It seems like Jason
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  Speaker 2: might be trying to portray his wife as a manipulative
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  Speaker 2: and toxic partner. However, it's hard to tell if this
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  Speaker 2: is a genuine feeling more simply an attempt to gain
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  Speaker 2: sympathy from the officer. So Detective Vera decides to keep digging.
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  Speaker 3: So what all transpired today?
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  Speaker 15: I mean, yeah, you have you guys are married still
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  Speaker 15: from my understanding, or separated.
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  Speaker 3: You guys are separated but legally still married out.
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  Speaker 1: I find out.
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  Speaker 6: The day before yesterday that she she got me unless
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  Speaker 6: we start on the guy the.
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  Speaker 1: Day after my birthday.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, she's been keeping the kids, certainly, but she claims
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  Speaker 6: that she hasn't truths is I thought she was keeping
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  Speaker 6: the kids from me? What her The truth is that
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  Speaker 6: she was seeing somebody instead of like calling.
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  Speaker 1: Me little you know what you do?
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  Speaker 8: Know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: If she was lying, she's just lying to me.
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  Speaker 6: I was just very adamy about it, because like when
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  Speaker 6: it was someone for seven years, like you know their
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  Speaker 6: cooker face, you know, you know when they're empty in
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  Speaker 6: my kitchen, and especially someone that lies as much as
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  Speaker 6: she does to me and yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Jason is describing his wife as manipulative, mean, and the
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  Speaker 2: problem in their relationship, which seems unlikely given what they
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  Speaker 2: know he's done. This conversation is going nowhere, so the
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  Speaker 2: officer decides to move on to more important things. What
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  Speaker 2: happened to the kids?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, you saying I don't know why I did what
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  Speaker 6: I did, but like I know what I told myself
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  Speaker 6: when I did it, you know what I mean, Like
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  Speaker 6: we was that and it was like that they were.
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  Speaker 3: Like they deserve to be with me, and I.
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  Speaker 14: Felt like she was neglecting them and I wanted myself,
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  Speaker 14: and for some reason, I thought it was okayter them too.
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  Speaker 14: I don't know why I did that. I thought we
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  Speaker 14: were be together, like you know and whatever after this,
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  Speaker 14: Like you know, like the whole time I was trying
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  Speaker 14: to fit home.
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  Speaker 6: I can't telling myself that I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Waiting for you.
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  Speaker 3: Is this something that you wanted to for her to
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  Speaker 3: feel your pain in that sense or you know, yes
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  Speaker 3: or no to them?
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  Speaker 13: Honestly, I don't think so Okay, I would exactly Honestly,
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  Speaker 13: I just didn't want to.
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  Speaker 8: Be in pain.
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  Speaker 13: And I think I told myself, I told myself that
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  Speaker 13: what it was you actually here in the last time
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  Speaker 13: we talked, I told her it's like if I'm not around,
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  Speaker 13: you're just going to start taking it out on him,
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  Speaker 13: and they don't deserve that.
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  Speaker 6: And I think I felt like I was saving him.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want I don't know why.
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  Speaker 3: Saving them and sense I'm going through the pain that
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost as though he believes what he did was reasonable,
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  Speaker 2: at least in the moment he did it. If this
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  Speaker 2: is indeed the case, it's likely he is genuinely mentally ill,
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  Speaker 2: which means he had admitted control over what he did
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  Speaker 2: and can claim that in a court of law. But
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  Speaker 2: regardless of if he is mentally ill or not, detectives
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  Speaker 2: still need to build a case against him. So they
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  Speaker 2: decided to dig deeper into what exactly he did to
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  Speaker 2: his kids.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of walked me through today kind of what was
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  Speaker 3: going on? How were they cover the kids? Were they joyful? Playful?
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  Speaker 1: They were awesome?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was frustrating. This was the day before.
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  Speaker 16: What was I was?
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  Speaker 3: I did everything I did. I started doing us this
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  Speaker 3: morning at early in the morning.
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  Speaker 15: So one in the morning is when when everything happened. Yes, sir, okay,
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  Speaker 15: so what what was going on? Because I know you
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  Speaker 15: guys spoke on the phone yesterday?
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  Speaker 11: Right?
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  Speaker 3: What time did your guys' phone call end?
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  Speaker 6: I want to say about.
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  Speaker 15: Well midnight? Okay, you guys phone call ends around midnight?
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  Speaker 1: And then.
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  Speaker 3: Then what happens were you drinking? You say you don't drink.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know.
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  Speaker 15: Now, Okay, So so then so then what kind of
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  Speaker 15: happened what what kind of triggered you after the phone
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  Speaker 15: call ended with the way that were kids sleeping they.
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  Speaker 3: Were everybody TV and then.
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  Speaker 1: Like I had to give them a bath.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 6: And like I don't know, like I just something in
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  Speaker 6: my brain snapped because of the things she said to
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  Speaker 6: me on the phone. But you know, it's it's it's
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  Speaker 6: it's weird because she did say some nice things to
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  Speaker 6: be in but it's like she said that was nothing
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  Speaker 6: I deserved nothing. That was a terrible father, a terrible husband,
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  Speaker 6: and like all these things.
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  Speaker 3: And it was like, I don't know, like.
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  Speaker 6: Something snapped in me, like and I know that makes
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  Speaker 6: it seem like I was trying to get back to her,
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  Speaker 6: but it was like it was it was never about.
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  Speaker 1: Getting back her.
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't a month to it stucked up as it sounds,
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  Speaker 6: was doing something for myself, Okay, and like that's what
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  Speaker 6: I told myself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The detective makes a final note and leaves Jason on
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  Speaker 2: a little break before they can continue questioning. There might
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  Speaker 2: be something Jason hasn't mentioned yet, something like a sheet
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  Speaker 2: of paper with his handwriting lying on a kitchen table
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  Speaker 2: and a short note on the board. Detective Barrera comes
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  Speaker 2: back shortly after and informs Jason that there will be
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  Speaker 2: cops watching him for the next twenty four hours to
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  Speaker 2: make sure he doesn't run away or try to harm himself.
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  Speaker 2: Barrera then recites the whole timeline to ensure they're on
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  Speaker 2: the right track, with Jason making minor adjustments to the story,
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  Speaker 2: and eventually Barrera stops to question Jason about one final
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: crucial detail.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I did want to ask, was so I know we
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: one of the officers noticed there was a no lasting
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: on the what was in the kitchen? That was that
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: when you left the house, So like something snapped to me.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: I wrote the letter and then I did it.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, that makes sense. Then I just I hadn't
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: seen it. So that's why I was just looking for
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: some help. I think it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: Starts off like I mentioned about how she's swore on
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: the kids' lives that she wasn't cheating on me, and like,
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: you know, and then I said, I help, it was
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: worth it? It was like it wasn't like I hope
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: it was worth it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I'm getting back. I was hoping it worth it, like.
• 21:30
  Speaker 17: You pushed me to do something for myself, Like, okay,
• 21:33
  Speaker 17: so she swore on the kids lives that she wasn't
• 21:38
  Speaker 17: cheating on you. In reality she was snapped like, I
• 21:42
  Speaker 17: don't know. Maybe then you basically in your head, you're
• 21:46
  Speaker 17: you're saying you're thinking again, you know, correct me.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: If I'm wrong any moment, if.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: I admits, part of me thought like if she's swearing
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: their lives they belong to be with me, you know, and.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Stuff like that.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: This statement confirms the writing on the board. You promised,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: you swore, you lied. It seems like his supposed mental
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: illness and urge to quote save his children were not
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: his only reasons for doing this. These statements make it
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: seem like Jason partly did this to get back at
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: his ex wife for cheating on him, leaving him, and
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: taking his children. It almost seems like he did all
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: this to make her feel what he felt. However, at
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: this point, Jason needed to rest, and the officers decided
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: they were best off continuing interrogations the next day. Early
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the following morning, police officers would escort Jason out of
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: the hospital in a robe and get him to the
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: police station, where he would be placed inside an empty
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: room and left with his thoughts. However, he was unaware
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: that his ex wife, Debbie, was sitting in an interrogation
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: area only feet away from him. Debbie is sitting in
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: a room filled with toys, coloring books, and a comfortable sofa,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: and extreme contrast to that of Jason's interrogation room. The
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: reason for this is that they know for certain Debbie
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: wasn't behind any of this, and that she's likely extremely
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: traumatized and vulnerable right now. Their best chance at getting
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: any information from her is to ensure that she feels
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: as comfortable and safe as possible. Jason, on the other hand,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: will be put under pressure to confess as much as possible.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: As of now, Debbie has no confirmation that Jason was
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: the killer. She also doesn't know that he was caught
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: just hours earlier. So now it's time to break the news.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I know we spoke earlier. I'm sorry. I don't you know.
• 23:52
  Speaker 18: This isn't part of my God, I enjoyed, I do happy. Officially,
• 23:56
  Speaker 18: you know I have to notify you that he did
• 24:01
  Speaker 18: your three children?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Is he that?
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: No?
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Where did you buy them?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: The police chafed by an hour and thirty minutes away
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: from here. He didn't. He didn't got there, and we're gonna.
• 24:22
  Speaker 18: Do her about own attective on technic Pectic again. Bring
• 24:25
  Speaker 18: the charging pest of the weekend. We're going to the right.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Everything Jason said up to this point was nothing but
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: his own version of events. And Debbie well, she never
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: got the chance to talk about what she saw that
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: day and what it made her feel as a victim.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Her voice matters the most, and that voice would be
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: the final nail in Jason's coffin.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Oh Broight, I and hunting them until I was on
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: the way to get them get the Anagot appointment. Today, well,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: I went to Walmart to get diapers. I went to
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Walmart to get the chance for their playback. He got
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: a beating sup from my daughter. And then I went
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: there and open the glass door. I didn't notice anything
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: anything about it. I walked in and I looked to
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: the right and I saw the door broken off the hinges,
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: and then I saw drops of blood. And I turned
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: around look in the garage.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And I thought that his car was gone.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: I started calling him because I thought maybe he took
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: my kids and went somewhere and I heard his phone upstairs,
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: so I started walking up the stairs and I saw
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: more blood and more blood, and then just started saying
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: to myself, no, God, please, no, please no. And I
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: I saw all three of them there on the bed.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: They were waking up. They were so cold.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Well, Debby was spilling her heart out. Little did she
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: know Jason was sitting in the room next to her,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: staring down into the emptiness, her ex husband, the father
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: of their kids, and a vicious murderer. It's hard to
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: understand what he thinks at that moment, the memories he
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: had with his children, or the regret he feels for
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: making them leave this world too early. After ten minutes
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: of complete silence, Detective Barrera returns to the interrogation room
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: for his second and last conversation with Jason, with no
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: idea that he was about to discover a major piece
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: of this story that could have prevented this entire massacre
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: from ever happening.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: How does your work a jogiddy worker weekend?
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: No, I don't work in all That's why I hope
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: I should be watching and theme and a lot more.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right up?
• 26:45
  Speaker 19: How long have you been unemployee to September said December, okay,
• 26:49
  Speaker 19: what did you do before I worked at brand non tembrary? Okay,
• 26:54
  Speaker 19: I shall keep a contact with your on your forward No, no, okay,
• 26:59
  Speaker 19: so ever getting ever talked to any of them?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: I reached out one to one to one to one
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: of them after I found out that it.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Was cheating because I.
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: Because she didn't claimed that she met him at a
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: bar and then one of her coworkers gave him her number,
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: so I just missed his whoever I think he can,
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: I ask you a question, and they go storry and
• 27:23
  Speaker 8: get down, they go on their mind, like you know.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I figured it out and then I kind of broke
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: down later and I was like, I.
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: Just found out and I told him like everything, because
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: he was the one person that I felt like I
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: could trust.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Have you talked to him since no? I had How
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: long ago? How long ago have you had talking with him?
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: That was like two days? Or that was like Saturday
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: or Sunday and so so, Dary, the kids get dropped off.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: We all not that they get drop off. I want
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: to say one it was the afternoon afternoon, okay, how
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: was the kids? Were they having seen Joey boy? I
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: never had any pole like well because we can't playing
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: on the sing and stuff.
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: So like I started acting around like like I was
• 28:04
  Speaker 8: very like calm and and I was just asking questions
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: about like you know who. She was saying like you know,
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: how she met him and stuff, and then and she
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: would say like she didn't want to talk about it anymore,
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: and I would say stuff like where you have to lose,
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: like like whether you're cheating I mean or not, it
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: doesn't change anything with the custody battle, because it was
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: like like I know.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: The golaw, but like you know, it was it wasn't
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: a bad exchange. It was it wasn't bad, it wasn't good.
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: It was just the you know, I had handled it
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: great until I had got mad and texted her later
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: and and like I don't remember what I said in
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: the text.
• 28:45
  Speaker 20: Okay, because I was just so mad that you would
• 28:47
  Speaker 20: like it. She's still lying, I mean, you know, having
• 28:49
  Speaker 20: that and that. Yeah, So then so then you you
• 28:54
  Speaker 20: send her a message and did you?
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: And I was I was beginning of that too, because
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: if she kept saying, because like you should be spending
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: time with the kids, and I'm like, I'm mentioned in
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: you because they're sleeping, like I'm mented in you because
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: like I'm playing, I didn't play with them an text
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: to at the same time.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: But you know, with all of these events combined, there
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: would be one last phone call that pushed Jason to
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: his limits. But that same phone call could have prevented
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: this murder if not for Jason's hatred.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: And you mentioned it was a It was a phone
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: call that kind of kind of involved. Maybe that's the thing, Like.
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: I mean, there was a phone call and then about
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: a half hour forty five minutes lay there is when
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: I started everything. But like even the phone call, it's
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: like it it ended it well, you know, like it
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: it had a great ending, even a phone call that
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: she was willing kind of like she was willing to
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: work with me.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: But I don't.
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: I think I just didn't believe it, like you know,
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: and I just didn't want I know it, but I
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: didn't didn't want that. I didn't want and like I did,
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: I wanted to be with them forever, and I felt
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: like this was.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: The only way.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: It sounds like Jason actually was close to resolving a
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: lot of his frustration with Debbie, but something after this
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: call and before the attack must have triggered him to
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: go through with this insane and horrifying plan, Like.
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: I don't mean like I don't want to hurt her,
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: but I'll say something sometimes to hurt her because she
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: hurt me, and like, okay, but I wasn't doing it
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: to hurt her like that was not my event because
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: like if I if that's what I wanted, I would
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: have if I really wanted to hurt her, I would
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: I wanted to stay home.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I would have waited for her to see the kid
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: like that, and I would have hurt her too. Okay,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like I would not I.
• 30:52
  Speaker 18: Yeah, I'll I'll be bad to me into my sitting
• 30:55
  Speaker 18: here and saying they wanted to hurt her.
• 30:57
  Speaker 16: You know, I mean again I want to anyway. Okay,
• 31:02
  Speaker 16: now let me ask you this. Now, you knew at
• 31:06
  Speaker 16: some point she would come and find your guys.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: What Detective Brera just said catches Jason by surprise because
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: his actions contradict his statements heavily. How could Jason claim
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: that he didn't plan to hurt her when all his
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: actions would ultimately lead to Debbie finding all three of
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: them unresponsive.
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: It wasn't until about like new twelve thirty, like twelve
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: hours later a month that.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's when I realized, think she's going to be
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: here to something I have. I can't like. I don't
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: want to hurt her.
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: I don't want to I can't be here when she's
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: here because I'm just gonna end up hurting her.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: To give myself more time to be with that.
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, and so like my whole thought process was,
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: it's the only way to get work, having to do
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: it the I'll go drive into something, but then there
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: were too many carts on the I didn't want to
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: hurt anybody. Okay, So I drove to the city, which
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: I don't know my way around. I don't know anything
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: about the city. I've only ever been to straggling for
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: sporting event, and that hit.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: His response to Barrera's question completely falls apart when it's
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: clear his actions left Debbi to discover the gruesome scene,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: traumatizing her forever. All of this made it clear, not
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: just the detectives but later a jury, that he was
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: mentally ill and was not fully in control over.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: What he did.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: In June of twenty twenty two, he was charged with
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: three counts of first degree murder and in February of
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, leaded guilty but mentally ill. This means
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: he will serve a life sentence without the possibility of parole,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: while also receiving mental health treatment. After the story went public,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Debbie chose to start a GoFundMe page in order to
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: raise money for the funeral and court expenses, gaining over
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: seventy thousand dollars as of December twenty twenty four. She's
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: decided to maintain her privacy, but we can hope she's
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: doing her best to move forward and recover from this tragedy.