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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles 052826 LIVE, - Nationals, Not Citizens: Passports, Affidavits, and Real‑World Wins · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Thank you so much for joining us, and welcome to the program.
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  Unknown: Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Here goes Alvin. Here comes Rogers.
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  It's
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  the win Thursday edition. Today's the Thursday edition. Is that correct? Am I on the right page?
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  Yeah. Yeah. We Wevis.
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  Wevis.
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  It's
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  Thursday. Roger Sales here, Radio Ranch, and, we're here for see if we can find people that are our people can find us that are seeking their freedom.
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  Here we are. Love
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  to help you achieve it. We can talk about it and discuss it and all that stuff if
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  if we can. It's the May 28 right towards the end of the month, and
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  so we'll talk about some of the other things. Paul, if you could be so kind as to, identify
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  the folks that help us extend our reach so we can give them proper credit
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  Absolutely.
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  Along with along with the recognition they deserve. So if you could, sir, please.
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  Unknown: Mhmm.
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  We're on radiosoapbox.com.
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  Thanks to Paul English,
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  who will have his own show today at 3PM eastern.
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  Allenglishlive.com
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  is where you can go to get all the links for that.
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  That's the audio stream. We're on Rumble through rumble.globalvoiceradio.net.
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  We're also on soapboxtv.net
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  in the GVRN channel.
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  Let's go to soapboxtv.net
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  and search for that.
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  And we're also on Twitch. We're on Kik,
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  And we're also on Discord
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  and the Radio Ranch
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  server on Discord.
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  The website is thematrixstocks.com
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  where you will find links to free conference call where people can join us live on the show.
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  You'll find a bunch of other stuff on there too, downloadables,
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  exhibits,
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  interviews,
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  archives.
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  You name it, it's there, including a downloadable copy of Roger's book, From Sovereign to Surf, governed by the treachery
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  And And
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  what And deception.
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  Unknown: And deception of words. And now isn't that really exactly what's happened? See, that was the original title of that little book,
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  government by the treachery and deception of words. How accurate is that?
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  I mean, it's just right on the nail. Okay? But that had been taken, so I had to put
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  sovereign to serve in the front of that.
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  It's a
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  I've been told it's a masterpiece. I'm not gonna tell you that. I I can tell you when I read what
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  John and Glenn I can remember I was down in Argentina, and this all come up, and I was on Jeff Bennett's program initially with our powerful information, and I didn't understand all of it back then by any means.
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  I don't even know if we knew about the American Samoans back then. Okay.
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  I didn't know about them. They weren't mentioned in the book. It's just another one of those little things
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  they've set up that's very difficult to ascertain.
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  Regardless,
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  that was
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  that was a result of a 80 page manuscript
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  that I wrote
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  while I was in I this is the only thing I know to call it is a trance. That's all I know to call it because it's just something that doesn't happen. It it it messes with all your bodily functions. Everything's kinda torqued in a different manner, and you can't sleep. Your mind's racing and all that kind of stuff.
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  And out of that, I passed about four or five days, I think, that first one.
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  It's way back in about 2005
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  maybe,
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  something around in there. And out of it came in the man manuscript,
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  80 page manuscript,
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  and so I got on Bennett. And,
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  finally, with the problems I've told you about them cutting the fiber optic cable down where I was and couldn't get back on the show for a few days till they got it fixed. I was about to go crazy. Here, I'd been wanting to get this on the radio and get it out so much,
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  so long, so hard, and I get the shot if somebody cuts the fiber optics.
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  I mean, come on, man.
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  Yeah. So, anyway, finally, we got around that and got on, and I said, I've got a manuscript here
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  that people can download, and and and Bennett me and Bennett said, no. Let's make let's make it a book, and we'll make some shekels.
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  These exact words.
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  And,
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  so there's where the book came from. So I got John and Glenn. They finally understood what I had figured out. And knowing that John was very elderly, very sick, and they they
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  worked together on editing. Of course, Glenn wrote the rewrote and wrote rewrote the whole book from an 80 page manuscript into a 200 and something page
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  hard hitting documented book.
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  So, anyway, yes, it's worthwhile. I've had
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  I've been very flattered when it first came out.
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  We sold 450
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  copies or something the first day, Paul,
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  because we've been promoting it for most of the year while John and Glenn edited it.
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  And so, boy, would they hit?
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  We had huge,
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  I think the first, first time author usually sells eight copies of his book. We sold 450
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  copies plus the first day. Now we had I I'll admit it was pre prepromoted.
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  But, anyway, that's where that came from.
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  It's, the first half, if you've never read it.
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  The first half is my story, and the reason is I understood the complexity of what we deal with here, and you couldn't just start a book with with this information. You gotta have some sort of lead up in what I did because of my familiarity,
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  because of my family and with AA and, going to a lot of AA talks over the years, and those guys get up there and they tell you your story.
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  They their story.
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  And, so that's what I did. I I told my story on how this whole thing had happened to me,
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  you know, and that that leads up to, the middle of the book. Middle of the book is a bunch of definitions
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  that are important, but since his first book, we didn't know how to weave all this stuff in there. It's a huge tale. Didn't even really know how to tell it hardly.
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  Yeah. But regardless, Glenn and John Glenn got ahold of it, and out comes this thing. And I remember what I was getting to, Paul,
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  is I was living down in Argentina, pretty close to the big park. There, they've got all these cities down here, usually a big park.
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  And they had some picnic stuffing up and a swimming pool over there under the cottonwood trees we call them. We they call them down there Alamo trees.
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  We call them cottonwood trees. Same thing as around the Alamo.
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  And, they had some,
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  concrete benches with with tables out there. People could eat.
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  And so I took what they'd sent and and and printed it off and went out there and read it. And, I
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  cried
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  because I knew exactly what the hell that I'd send them, and I saw what they returned.
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  So if you've not read the book, folks, I would encourage you to. It's a lot of very, very credible information in there
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  with sources and impeccably sourced, and Glenn
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  wrote it. Glenn
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  yeah. I don't know if I told this story a couple of times, Paul, but Glenn
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  won a case at the Supreme Court of the United States for an inmate when he was in jail.
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  And the the,
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  I don't know what it was about. I just know Glenn wrote it. He said if you ever go to jail,
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  the one thing that you do not want out is that you can write legal process because if that gets out, you're gonna have a line at your cell door, which he had, obviously. Glenn's very good. I don't wanna say yes. Wrote. Your manuscript
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  Unknown: with Oh, you're that's back to the book. Right? Yes. Yeah. Glenn took your 80 page manuscript,
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  which
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  the ADL
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  and the SPLC
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  would probably
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  deem as a manifesto,
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  and he created
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  a masterpiece
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  because if John would have written it, it would have been one long run on sentence.
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  Unknown: From one coverage from one coverage to the next.
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  Yeah. That's true.
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  And
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  so, let's see. I was off of that. I was on anyway, that's where where all this kinda came from, and we got it out there, and it's been and then, of course, we had this fiasco with the book patch where it was for a long time, and they,
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  who knows what's going on with those folks. That was, boy, the connections to all this project are funny. The guy that was helping me at the time, Paul,
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  technical kind of guy, he went out and found this, self
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  published. It was in the early days of that. Not many people were doing it. He found one called Book Patch.
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  It's down there in Scottsdale, Arizona. It was owned by a guy. I don't know if I've ever told this story.
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  A guy named Victor Ostrovsky.
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  Does that name ring a bell with you, Paul? Yeah. You yeah. You've mentioned that, but I have mentioned it before.
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  Well, Victor Ostrovsky,
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  who owned this this self publishing thing because he had written a couple of books,
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  and he was a ex Mossad line officer.
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  Had bolted from him. He'd written these two books, one called By Way of Deception,
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  I believe, and the other one was called The Other Side of Deception.
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  Unknown: And Victor both of those.
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  Unknown: They do. Well, Victor,
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  yeah, I found one in a in a book bin for a dollar or something one time that that of course, those two books were not gonna get any
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  kind of positive press
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  out of the Jewish owned establishment media.
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  And so they a lot of people discount them. Anyway, that's who he ends up hooking up with is Viktor Ostrovsky who's got this self publishing
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  company because he had such problems with his books. Now Victor evidently was a,
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  he may still be alive, but he's lost his mind.
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  He was a Mossad officer, and he was an art lover. And so he had a in Scottsdale, Arizona where he retired, I guess, a Canadian Jew.
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  And,
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  he opened up a art gallery there in Scottsdale, and then next to it, I think, or close proximity was the book patch.
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  Anyway, Victor,
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  with all good intentions, we had a good relationship there. I've talked to him on the phone a time or two, asked him to come on the show.
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  And he'd say, yeah. I'd love to. I said, well, can we talk about the Mossad? And he said, can't talk about that.
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  So, we never did put that together. He seemed like a real good guy.
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  But,
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  I find that he has gone
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  senile. His wife died. He went senile, and they put him in a home, and these people are running the book patch, and
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  I say running it. I have no idea. I think they've they ended up stealing a bunch of money from me. I think the the the
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  software had a big problem or something. And remember, we had to get on the air here. I was just trying to get some answers
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  and had to literally put a call out to the audience and one of our good listeners who was over in Scottsdale
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  occasionally
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  and I got the address off a book they'd shipped to somebody and they went and looked up the address. It was in a residential section and we had a conversation
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  or a live right there with and they called the other guy, and it's just a big fiasco. They won't answer any,
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  questions. They won't answer emails. You can't get anything but a one word response from them on anything.
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  And so my nature is to just, turn my back on it and walk away. I'm not gonna fight them. I'm not gonna try and call, hire a lawyer, or anything else, but they,
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  anyway, I got read. That's why the book is not currently available in print.
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  Okay. Now maybe here sometime soon. I think we've got most of the things to get that done put together, but it's not there yet.
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  But some people like a printed version rather than reading off the computer screen. I certainly understand that.
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  But in this highly complex information
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  that we deal with here that's so confusing until you really get it torn apart and get your arms around it.
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  The the Ebook has search capabilities.
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  Mhmm. The hardback copy does not.
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  And so that can be very handy. K?
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  Unknown: So, usually, that's kind of the story of the book. Do do what, Paul? The hardback copy has search capabilities if you're a speed reader, and, you know, you could turn the pages probably past. But Yeah. Okay. But Okay. Not practical. Do
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  have the original book. Andy,
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  one of the moderators,
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  he got
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  an original copy of the book. He bought a bunch of them and just gave them out.
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  And,
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  he sent one of them to me,
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  and I scanned the front cover and back cover and the spine
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  of the physical book. So,
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  we're ready to go once we find something that will print it. We're
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  Unknown: waiting on Mark. He's gotta get this little situation behind him.
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  I did speak with him the other night. Paul gave me my new phone number, so he called me on my new phone.
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  Unknown: Only incoming call I've had except for you, Paul, really. And so I sent Mark this back to him and to her.
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  Yeah. Just in case Well
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  Unknown: good. But
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  he's gotta get these problems with his with both his parents out of the way. So Right. And it's not it's not good. It is there are there is a little light at the end of the tunnel, but he's still dealing with it. So
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  one of these days when all these peripheral problems get straightened out, we're gonna make some progress on this. I promise. I promise.
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  Some people really want that printed copy, and we just can't deliver it because
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  because of the book patch situation. That was a real fiasco.
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  Well, once So, anyway, we're here. Oh, woah. Woah. Woah. Once Paul gets moved, we're gonna come to that again, and we're gonna transition into that in a second. No. Yes, sir? No. This is about the book. Because once I moved understand. I have a laser printer that does full duplex,
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  Unknown: prints both sides, four pages on one page.
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  I can actually
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  print at 24 pages a minute or four pages
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  24 times a minute.
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  I can actually print that, and I do have a spine stapler.
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  We can create a rudimentary
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  physical copy
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  as soon as I get to Oklahoma because I've got a computer dedicated
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  to scanning and And printing
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  that printer
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  that all I've got to do is put a ream of paper in it and just hit go,
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  and it will spit out
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  already collated pages
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  Unknown: to be stapled together in a book. Uh-huh. Okay. We can do that. Well, we'll, as Ted Kennedy told Mary Jo, we'll drive off that bridge when we get to it. We gotta get Paldo, Oklahoma
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  first. And Yes. That means that you're gonna hear about the escape from New York, the Paul Beaner one way tour.
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  Yeah. The escape from New York tour. We're we're not coming in a circle. We're not gonna hit all the big cities. We're just gonna see if we can get Paul from wherever the heck he is up there in that godforsaken
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  state
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  and see if we can get him down to Oklahoma.
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  They a a godsend
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  state. You know what I think, Paul?
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  Oklahoma
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  is the only state that's totally voted red in every
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  presidential
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  election
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  that they remember,
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  I think.
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  Unknown: But they've got some kind of a record. It's got You take it. I've got someone at my door.
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  Unknown: Okay. Alright. Somebody at the door, so Paul's gonna go find out who's knock knock knocking. Oklahoma is one of the only states, if not the only state, I believe Joe can, Mike. Correct me. That's voted
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  Republican in virtually every election,
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  for a long time, so, more so than any other state.
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  Be good to get Paul down there. I think he'd fit right in, although he's gonna be out in the prairie.
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  He's gonna be out you know, I'm not sure how much civilization's
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  gonna be around him, but what we're trying to do
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  is get enough funds raised so we can get Paul down there and out of New York with all our technical stuff and this whole technical center of what we do
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  along with the things like Paul English and everything else. So Paul's very Paul Beaner is very integral in that, of course.
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  And, we, wanna get him down to Oklahoma.
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  He's got a place they found. It's gonna take a little bit of work,
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  and we need about $15,000.
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  Now I think I think, and as soon as he gets back from the door,
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  we can find out a little more exact.
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  But I think we've got about two thirds of that already. K?
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  So we're lacking, I think, again,
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  about $5,000,
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  and, that's not an awful lot of Federal Reserve notes these days.
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  I know it's a very bad economy. I know many people are very, very strapped.
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  But if you can, if you can even even $10,
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  $5, any of that,
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  we're gonna tap in. Merck, are you with us this morning? Merck?
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  Are you there, Merck?
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  Okay. Obviously, Mirka's not. We're gonna go back to her telegram group.
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  Yeah. There's Larry.
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  Oh, yeah. Yes. There's another female. Okay. Let me get Larry first. Okay, please?
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  Oh, okay. Oh oh, alright. Who's is this Joan?
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  Unknown: No. Who? This is the first time caller, Heikka.
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  Unknown: Hey, Heikka. Can you I'm a first time caller. Yes. Okay. Good. Well, I'm gonna stick you. Don't go anywhere, Heikka. It's Heikka. Don't go anywhere. Heikka. Let me get. Yes. Let me get Larry first, and then I'm gonna come right back to you. Okay?
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  Larry, what'd have, buddy? Okay.
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  You're very welcome. Yes. I'm anxious to talk like
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  Unknown: browsing YouTube
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  and,
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  you know, trying to get more information on taxes because I I love the subject.
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  Unknown: So Well, yeah, I I do across the Has anybody has anybody checked you for fever?
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  Unknown: Well, it's just I'm infatuated with it at this point in my life. And, you know, it's it's an interesting subject
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  to say the least. But Yes. I've been browsing
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  YouTube,
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  and I come across a guy named
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  David
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  let's see. Merland,
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  m y r l a n d. And
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  he I guess he was part of the tax honesty movement. Have you ever heard of this individual?
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  Unknown: And also Is he a guy wait. You guys consider what what
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  Unknown: is
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  Unknown: he a guy from Seattle that used to be a bartender, David Merlin?
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  Unknown: He has to saw he used to have this website take from Caesar, I believe.
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  And he wrote a book. He was Uh-huh.
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  Unknown: Yeah. I'm yes. If it's the same guy that's from Seattle that used to be a bartender,
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  yes, I'm familiar with him. He was around about thirty years ago,
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  and,
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  I haven't heard of him since, but he tells all kinds of jokes. He's good at jokes because he learned all that as a bartender.
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  Unknown: Yeah. I was just gonna ask if you knew anything about him. And, also, would you consider
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  your teachers,
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  John and Glenn, to be
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  were they a part of this tax
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  honesty movement? I mean, I just I heard about that terminology
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  a couple of months ago. And can you give a brief explanation
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  of what you think the tax honesty movement is, and were your teachers a part of that?
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  Unknown: No. Not to my knowledge.
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  And,
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  Larry, I I'm unlike you. I hate taxes.
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  That's the reason we're here on jurisdiction.
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  So if there was something like that, I might have been familiar with it. I don't think John and Glenn were involved in anything like that. If it's the same guy, it's David Merlin.
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  I'm pretty sure it's probably same fellow. He's from Seattle. Wrote a book called, I wanna say cracking the code.
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  Is that correct?
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  Yes. That's it. That's the guy. Okay. That well, that's him. That's him. Okay.
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  Yeah. Don't know any more about him than that too much. He hadn't been around very much lately.
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  Now, Larry, here, I'm gonna go over. We've got a a rare new person here, and I wanna make sure I Yeah. That's fine. Thank you, Roger. Yeah. And I'm gonna dart away from you and go, say, hello. Welcome. We love new people. Could you please spell your name so I make sure I get it right?
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  Unknown: Yeah. Sure. It's h e I k e.
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  Unknown: H e k
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  Unknown: e. Oh, okay. Heikki.
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  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Haika.
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  Unknown: Haika. Haika. Haika. Okay. Hi, Haika.
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  Uh-huh.
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  Unknown: Vigates. How are you? Vigates.
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  Well, okay.
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  So you're new.
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  You're new. You found me. Well, I
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  Unknown: actually found you in 2021,
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  and then I got sidetracked.
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  And now I found you again because
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  my son and I, we are working on becoming nationals.
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  And so my son is at work, so I gotta do all the phone call and phone calls. Uh-huh. And I have a quick question to you. Oh, fantastic.
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  My son lost his passport, so he is now going to
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  apply
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  again for a passport.
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  And as much as I've studied now,
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  he has to fill out a d s 11 form because he lost his passport.
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  Unknown: If you lose or
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  or or just saying for the audience in general, keep everybody up on speed here. If you lose or a passport is stolen,
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  you have to report it to the passport office.
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  And no matter where you are in your passport life,
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  this your third or fourth one after ten years or whatever, if you lose it, you gotta go back and start at DS11 again.
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  It's exactly what I can say now. Exactly.
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  K? So, alright, we're on top of that.
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  Unknown: Right. So I got the application.
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  So now he has to go in in person. Right?
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  So I was wondering if he Yeah.
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  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. I'll let I'm gonna stop him. I'm trying to interrupt you. Yes.
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  He does.
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  Because now you gotta go back because you're using a d s 11.
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  There's a couple of things they do at that initial passport application they don't do again.
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  K? One of them is they don't ask you to have a certified copy of your birth certificate. He's gonna have to get, if he doesn't have, a certified copy of his birth certificate to include in his package.
• 26:04
  He has to sign it in front of an authorized agent,
• 26:07
  and it says, stop. Do not sign unless an authorized agent came from. And so the other thing and then there's one more.
• 26:15
  They ask you on the first one, was your mother and father citizens of The United States? They don't ask you that again. K? So those are the three differences.
• 26:25
  Yes. He's gonna have to make an appointment with the post office
• 26:29
  or else possibly go to there are companies that will do your passport for you.
• 26:36
  I don't know where you are. I didn't ask you that yet. But, anyway, that's a it's just an option.
• 26:41
  Okay. What part of Florida are you? Florida, and
• 26:45
  Unknown: I'm in Brevard County.
• 26:47
  Unknown: Okay. Brevard County's way south. I'm from Florida.
• 26:51
  In fact, I'm a native Floridian.
• 26:53
  K? That you wanna talk about rare.
• 26:56
  I'm a rare. I'm a native Floridian. My mother and father were both born in Florida.
• 27:02
  So but we are from The Panhandle,
• 27:05
  and my father was born and raised in Fort Pierce down there close to where you are. And then my mom's family was from Panama City. So we mainly oriented up to The Panhandle. So,
• 27:16
  anyway, that's a little bit of my background. You're down there in Broward County. Your son needs to go back and do
• 27:22
  do a lost or stolen report. Right. And then they're gonna send him back to do a d s 11, and we want him to get his passport. What else other questions can I help with you, Haiya? He
• 27:33
  Unknown: So,
• 27:34
  of course,
• 27:35
  HICA. Of course. So he has to attach
• 27:39
  yeah. He has to attach a citizen's evidence. Right? Yes. Correct. The affidavit.
• 27:45
  Unknown: It doesn't have to, HICA. It doesn't have to be an affidavit,
• 27:49
  but it's better if it is.
• 27:52
  It can be just a declaration.
• 27:54
  Unknown: I will get there in a moment. Best to get it notarized. Okay. Alright. Good. Right. Right. That is my one of my next questions. So he can attach it. Will that
• 28:04
  will that official,
• 28:07
  who gets the packet,
• 28:09
  will they accept it,
• 28:12
  Unknown: or will they They will. They they can't. They have to accept it. It's not they have a choice. They have to accept it because
• 28:19
  what your status is is your choice, not theirs.
• 28:23
  If it's their choice and we're gonna make this person assist The United States, hold on just a second, then that's open tyranny.
• 28:30
  So that's why they have to accept what you send. K?
• 28:35
  Unknown: So they will not take it out later on after he leaves. Right? No. Nope. Nope. They won't.
• 28:41
  Unknown: Let me tell you a story. We had and listen. I understand how people are very anxious about this. You got every reason not to trust these people. But we're not really dealing with high end government officials. We're dealing with clerks and bureaucrats. Okay? So they generally do what they're supposed to do because they've got policies, rules, and regulations that they have to follow also.
• 29:01
  But I understand,
• 29:03
  like, you are in intimidating or or or insinuating here that you're a little bit questionable about that. Well, I'm a tell you this story. Right.
• 29:12
  Of years ago, one of our, yeah, Julie, can you let me finish here, or you wanna you got something real pertinent?
• 29:19
  Unknown: Well, I just wanted to,
• 29:21
  interrupt when she said they will accept it because when I went to the headquarters,
• 29:26
  three of the ladies tried to hand it back to me. And so you basically want to say, Heiko, you want to tell them, no, this goes along with my passport.
• 29:35
  This is on file with your boss at the Secretary of State in my administrative
• 29:40
  file, and it needs to go with the passport.
• 29:43
  And they may ask you they ask me, oh, so you're an American Samoan? And I said, no, I am not, ma'am. I'm a national.
• 29:49
  They don't understand it because like
• 29:53
  Roger says, they're clerks, and they're trained to hand you back any attachments,
• 29:57
  but you just insist that attachments can go with passports and this needs to go with the passport, and you keep handing it back to them till they take it and process it. I had to hand it back three times.
• 30:08
  Unknown: I
• 30:09
  don't know that they've sent back a few. Okay?
• 30:13
  But in the back office instructions on the state department, it says
• 30:19
  your affidavit,
• 30:20
  your passport, and your birth certificate may be sent back under separate cover.
• 30:25
  And what does that mean? I think when they send an affidavit
• 30:29
  back,
• 30:30
  it probably
• 30:32
  wasn't original
• 30:33
  that someone sent in.
• 30:35
  Because they don't send them back and refuse them. They can't. It's not their job to just make legal decisions. It's their job to accept things people send into them and apply what is sent. If anybody, any clerk,
• 30:48
  any of these gals like like Julie had to deal with,
• 30:52
  and they're trying to give you all this gum,
• 30:54
  you find before you go in,
• 30:57
  in the middle of the instructions,
• 30:58
  there's a warning box, a big,
• 31:01
  bold,
• 31:02
  black capital letters, warning.
• 31:05
  They usually have those HICA on on on drugs,
• 31:10
  except they call them black box warnings, and there's a rectangular line around it. Okay.
• 31:15
  Well, this is the no line. There's no line around it. It just says warning.
• 31:19
  And it says you can attach documentation,
• 31:22
  comma, including affidavits,
• 31:25
  comma, but you better not lie or we're gonna hit you with seven sections of The United States code.
• 31:31
  Well, they're telling you to attach stuff.
• 31:34
  Unknown: K? Exactly. You are brilliant. Don't let is so true. I really appreciate it. Yes.
• 31:40
  Unknown: That's Don't let any of them. See, here's you're getting empowered. You're wanting to get free. You find these things, and you don't take any crap off bureaucrats like that. You kinda confront them. You build you become, to whatever degree you choose, belligerent. The the lesser degrees, you know, honey draws more flies and vinegar. So the less belligerent you are, probably the more successful you're gonna be. But you learn to have confidence and confront these people and say, no. That's not right. You don't even know your own instructions? Look right here. I can attach documentation
• 32:13
  and affidavits,
• 32:14
  and that's what this is.
• 32:16
  Unknown: Exactly. Oh, wonderful. So that puts me at ease. Your job is not to evaluate it.
• 32:22
  Unknown: Yeah. Just hold your job's not to evaluate it. Your job's not to give a legal opinion on it. Your job is to accept it and apply it, ma'am.
• 32:31
  Unknown: Right.
• 32:32
  So now I'm coming to the citizenship
• 32:35
  evidence.
• 32:36
  Is is that the same as as the affidavit?
• 32:41
  Unknown: Yes, ma'am. And the reason we label it that, Haida Haika, is because
• 32:46
  if you go again in the back office of the state department here's how I found all this.
• 32:53
  You can actually once your son
• 32:55
  applies for an his new passport,
• 32:58
  there's a state department website where you can actually track the progress of them
• 33:03
  fulfilling that.
• 33:04
  K?
• 33:05
  And so in that process, they've got little notes,
• 33:09
  and one of them says
• 33:11
  citizenship evidence.
• 33:13
  So evidence is a very powerful word. It's very legal, of course, and lawful.
• 33:18
  And, and that's what we've got is evidence that we are deciding
• 33:23
  our own political status.
• 33:25
  So that's why I use affidavit
• 33:28
  or declaration,
• 33:29
  either one will work,
• 33:30
  of citizenship
• 33:32
  evidence
• 33:33
  because they know on the 7th Floor up there where all the attorneys are at the state department,
• 33:39
  they pretty well understand what the term evidence means.
• 33:43
  I promise you. That's one of the things they do teach them in law school. K? So they know what that means, and that's why we use it. And
• 33:52
  sorry, boys. We've got you slaving.
• 33:55
  We don't wanna be no Jew slave
• 33:57
  and refuse to be, and we're gonna prove it to you, and you've got to accept it. And you can't even retaliate.
• 34:04
  I mean, they're backed into a corner here, Heiko,
• 34:08
  and they can't get out. All they do is stand mute and don't say anything, and that convicts them by itself.
• 34:16
  So very good. So wish you wish some of your you wish some of your German ancestors woulda had this, don't you?
• 34:25
  Well, you know what? Oh my god. That's a whole another story because I actually grew up in East Berlin, but that's a whole different story. My god. I Well, you come back you come back and visit us because I wanna hear some of these personal experiences of yours. Okay? That's a very Oh, yeah. Very important subject to a lot of folks on this on our show here.
• 34:47
  Unknown: But I will tell you one thing. I had a better education than the kids are getting now here, and I had to homeschool my my children in this country because the education here was so horrible.
• 35:00
  Well, it's horrible. You know? Yes.
• 35:02
  Unknown: How long have you been in The States, Heiko? How long have you been here?
• 35:06
  Unknown: Oh, I came here before the wall came down. So
• 35:11
  in fall of nineteen eighty nine.
• 35:13
  Unknown: Oh my goodness. Long, long time. Yeah. Uh-huh. Well, good. Well, your English is very good.
• 35:19
  We're I'm tickled to death that you found us. Okay?
• 35:22
  Unknown: I had Well, look.
• 35:24
  Unknown: Yes.
• 35:27
  Unknown: I mean, I tried to flee communism.
• 35:29
  And then when I first immigrated to California,
• 35:33
  right,
• 35:33
  I said, oh my god. Communism is already in California. That was in 1989.
• 35:40
  Yeah. Yeah. Right. I I felt it. I saw it.
• 35:44
  Those people in California couldn't see it, but I I was like, oh my god. This is this is bad. You know? You were like the Russian defector.
• 35:53
  Unknown: The Brezhnekov,
• 35:54
  I think. Wasn't that his name? The Russian director and of defector. He came over here talking to g r Ward Griffin, and he said same thing you're saying.
• 36:02
  I couldn't believe when I got here how how firmly they've already established it. Same exact thing.
• 36:10
  Unknown: Yes. It was a shock. You know? But but I have another question. So do I write on top Alright. Affidavit
• 36:17
  affidavit
• 36:18
  of citizenship
• 36:19
  evidence?
• 36:20
  Unknown: That goes on top. Right? Yes, ma'am. Have you we've got a sample of it on the website. Have you found that? Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:28
  Unknown: Okay. Well, you know, that's why I'm calling in. Things are a little bit confusing.
• 36:33
  There's an app for white
• 36:35
  Americans For white Americans.
• 36:37
  Unknown: Okay. Alright. Alright. Now there's another one on the website there.
• 36:41
  See, that's the way we used to look at this, Heiko, was it was a black and white And I agree. 14 to and you can see how you would look at it that way, but it was only yeah. That was back third thirty years ago, we thought that. That's why those affidavits were written like that. It's generic. Anybody can be free. It doesn't matter what color you are. Funny enough now,
• 37:03
  they accepted that affidavit because that's the one I sent in the first few times.
• 37:08
  I'm using the other one now. K. Last time I did a passport two years ago, whatever, I used the one that's a sample one on the website, and that's the one you can use. It's simple as two paragraphs.
• 37:19
  There's no wiggle room for them in there. First one deals with the status. Is it is it
• 37:27
  Unknown: it the one I, being duly sworn hereby, declare my intention
• 37:32
  to be a national but not a citizen of The United States?
• 37:36
  Unknown: You know where that one comes from? It comes from the state department itself off one of their policy stuff. Yes. And I saw that. Well,
• 37:44
  well, you can do that. We've got William, our buddy, that's pursuing a lot of this down in Georgia. He's that's the only one he used.
• 37:50
  But there it's in his situation,
• 37:55
  because the one I did as a sample affidavit is not it is a little longer than one sentence. I'm gonna basically recite it to you here in a second, but it covers a very important issue that a lot of people are primarily concerned with, which is the tax man.
• 38:10
  K? Because the second paragraph of the one we've well, that was second paragraph of the one we've got is a sample deals with that right there. The first paragraph says, hi. I, high, could do solemnly swear
• 38:23
  under the penalty of perjury of the laws of The United States Of America.
• 38:27
  That's very important. You don't understand that that you're right. My intent to be a, yeah, my intent to be a national and not a citizen of The United States under the scope and purview of the fourteenth amendment.
• 38:40
  So that's the first paragraph.
• 38:42
  The second paragraph deals with IRS specifically,
• 38:46
  and it says, as a national,
• 38:48
  I'm identified
• 38:49
  at 26 CFR 1.1
• 38:52
  dash one,
• 38:53
  a parenthesis closed,
• 38:56
  as a non resident very deceptively
• 38:59
  labeled as a non
• 39:02
  resident alien.
• 39:03
  So you're going back to the hitch that they've got that obligates everybody into the tax system,
• 39:09
  and you're putting that
• 39:11
  briefly explained
• 39:12
  in your affidavit.
• 39:14
  And see, here's another thing that we just realized recently. Some of the we've been
• 39:19
  we've been sparring a bit with IRS.
• 39:21
  I call them the individuals
• 39:23
  representing Satan.
• 39:25
  We've been sparring with them a little bit, sometimes in a state forum,
• 39:29
  once or twice on the national forum.
• 39:32
  And and the whole thing revolves around I don't wanna get too complex for you at this stage, Heiko. The whole thing revolves around this word resident.
• 39:40
  Unknown: K?
• 39:41
  Unknown: But,
• 39:42
  here,
• 39:43
  in your affidavit,
• 39:45
  you're pointing that out and what it is.
• 39:48
  And you see the reason the affidavit is used
• 39:52
  is because it's actual court testimony.
• 39:55
  K?
• 39:56
  And and so And I know that. Once they receive that,
• 40:00
  they've got to to rebut that statement that they accepted.
• 40:05
  They've gotta go back and write another affidavit
• 40:08
  contradicting the facts that that's not the case with the IRS
• 40:12
  and then sign it under penalties of perjury. And then not only can they not do that, they won't. Okay? So that's why I suggest
• 40:21
  Unknown: don't rebut it. It's true. Well, then it's sands.
• 40:26
  Unknown: Right. Alright. Here's here's where here's where this comes from. You probably don't know this. I didn't. I didn't until we had, our our our fellow will have tomorrow, Brent Winters, with us one day.
• 40:39
  That comes from Richard King Henry. You've
• 40:43
  written Brent? Right.
• 40:45
  Unknown: I have affidavits
• 40:47
  for Okay. For New California
• 40:50
  when I lived there. So I've
• 40:52
  I have I I have written these, so I know the process.
• 40:57
  And I also know that there's a process and cord about it. So my point is I do know a little bit about some of the things,
• 41:05
  Unknown: but I need to learn about this now for sure. Well, I want you to learn as much as you wanna learn and understand as much as you wanna understand,
• 41:13
  Heiko. You know, the Bible's god tells us above all, seek understanding,
• 41:18
  not knowledge, understanding.
• 41:20
  And so that's what we want you to have because once you've got that, you're free.
• 41:25
  As you can counteract anything, anybody like these three women that Julie encountered,
• 41:30
  and they're trying to get out. We can't take this. Nope. Nope. Sorry. Says right here, I can attach documentation.
• 41:36
  That's what I'm doing. That's what this is. Right. You are bound
• 41:40
  to accept it because I'm giving it to you in my package.
• 41:44
  Sorry. Yeah. So when you can do that
• 41:48
  see, when you can do that, you're free.
• 41:51
  If you oh, okay. Well, I'll take your word for it, and you go slither back on the subway and go back home. Well, you're not too free, are you?
• 42:01
  Unknown: Right. Exactly.
• 42:02
  So Okay. So I put affidavit
• 42:05
  of citizenship evidence first,
• 42:07
  then I put the jurat,
• 42:09
  and then on the bottom, there is it there's going to be the seal then, right, that I swear? Well, that Jurat
• 42:16
  Unknown: Jurat will be in if you use the the one that I just our sample one, you can do whatever you want. Yeah. K? I'm not gonna but if you use that sample one,
• 42:26
  it will have a spot for your signature in the Notar Republic stamp down at the bottom.
• 42:31
  Okay?
• 42:32
  Unknown: Okay. And all the notary does on your website.
• 42:36
  Unknown: Yes. I'm Paul, I'm gonna drag Paul
• 42:39
  back here and tell you where it is exactly because we don't wanna
• 42:43
  I think we can do that. So, anyway,
• 42:47
  a an affidavit is actual court testimony. Now the only thing the notary is doing,
• 42:54
  they're not there to say, oh, no. No. The you can't you can't submit this. Well, they're not there to make legal decisions.
• 43:02
  They're there, and their only job is to take whatever identification
• 43:06
  you give them that represents you
• 43:09
  and make sure when you sign it, that it's the same person.
• 43:13
  That's the only thing they do.
• 43:17
  Don't give legal advice. They don't go point you somewhere else. I can't do this. They just notarize
• 43:24
  your signature. That's all. K.
• 43:28
  Unknown: Right. So Now So that's awesome. So now my letter to the secretary of state Oh, so simple. Do I do?
• 43:35
  Unknown: Oh, you just well, you got that affidavit.
• 43:38
  Okay. Now the first thing, and there's a reason. Everything we do here, HICA, has a reason. Okay? There's thought behind it and experience to some extent.
• 43:49
  So
• 43:50
  we came up because of one guy in one situation a couple of years ago.
• 43:55
  Brit Brit guy come over here naturalized, didn't understand all of our laws, had a passport. Okay?
• 44:02
  So he wanted to go in and
• 44:04
  and do another one so he could include the affidavit, what you're talking about.
• 44:09
  And so he includes that, and he sends it in. And not only do they reject his application,
• 44:16
  but they revoke
• 44:18
  his open passport.
• 44:20
  And so the kid gets ahold of me. He said, look. I got my passport revoked, and they rejected me and this, that, and the other one. Now I'm real curious because that never happens. K?
• 44:29
  So I get the guy to send me the letter. Well, it turns out
• 44:33
  he had gotten pulled over out in San Jose, your former California girl. Out in San Jose,
• 44:40
  he got pulled over under suspicion of drunk driving.
• 44:43
  He wouldn't get out of the car. So they broke the window and dragged him out and took him to jail.
• 44:49
  Somehow,
• 44:50
  he got out of jail. And being a Brit, not understanding our system,
• 44:54
  he thought the charges had been dropped because he got out of jail.
• 44:58
  So when he went to send the passport application
• 45:02
  in,
• 45:03
  they take a couple of sections of the code of federal regulations and apply them and go back under NCIC,
• 45:10
  national crime, whatever database,
• 45:12
  and they see these two drunk driving charges.
• 45:16
  Well, now he's a flight risk. That's why they,
• 45:19
  revoked his open passport,
• 45:21
  and they rejected it because of, of all these other things. So
• 45:26
  they
• 45:27
  find out it was his fault. So We go back and take that back to the drawing board
• 45:33
  and go,
• 45:34
  well, you know, if he'd have just sent in a an affidavit and a cover letter to the secretary of state first,
• 45:41
  then that would have been on file and received by them.
• 45:45
  And if it's that case,
• 45:47
  then they he's already a national, and they can't use code of federal regulations on him because they're with the exception of IRS, they're all for residents.
• 45:56
  K?
• 45:57
  And and so that
• 46:00
  was why they did it. If he just sent one in first,
• 46:03
  those code of federal regulations would not have applied,
• 46:07
  and he at least would have a case
• 46:09
  where he could go, look. You rejected
• 46:11
  my application.
• 46:13
  You kept my funds. What's the next step in my administrative appeal? Because I already had one of these affidavits in. The one with a passport application,
• 46:21
  it was just cold.
• 46:23
  It's what we call it. So that's why we've had to alter, Micah,
• 46:28
  our entire process and the way we do things because of one breath.
• 46:33
  K? Now I'm sure you sound like a wonderful woman, and I'm sure you don't have any skeletons in your closet. Okay?
• 46:41
  But we suggest this to the average person
• 46:45
  for one reason, honestly. I don't think they can see enough copies of this come across their desks up there.
• 46:53
  Oh, there's one more. There's one more. It makes an impression on the bureaucrats.
• 46:58
  It makes an impression on the secretary of state. We found that out already,
• 47:03
  and that's why I say, alright. Just take your affidavit,
• 47:06
  put a very simple cover letter in, and send it to mister Marco Rubio.
• 47:10
  K?
• 47:11
  Then if you're like yourself and you oh, well, let me let me finish because I'm on a train. Then if your background's clean,
• 47:18
  you could wait a couple of days and just do the passport application.
• 47:22
  K?
• 47:24
  But, again, it's because of this one situation with this one guy that we had to change the whole protocol on. K?
• 47:31
  So first of all, you we suggest that's just a suggestion.
• 47:36
  You take a copy of your affidavit. You write a short cover letter to mister Rubio,
• 47:42
  and, you say something to the effect of please find
• 47:45
  the enclosed notarized citizenship
• 47:48
  evidence affidavit.
• 47:50
  Please
• 47:51
  apply this to all of your records and correct my political status.
• 47:57
  Thank you very much. See
• 48:00
  you see you at the Iran talks,
• 48:03
  Marco.
• 48:05
  Unknown: Okay. So please apply to all my records. And what was the second part? Please please change
• 48:12
  Unknown: all of
• 48:14
  pertinent records accordingly.
• 48:16
  Please adjust. Whatever. You don't have to make it very long
• 48:20
  or or laborious.
• 48:22
  It's quite simple. Here's my new citizenship status. It's an affidavit,
• 48:27
  and please apply it to,
• 48:29
  and change my status in all applicable
• 48:32
  categories, whatever you wanna say. They
• 48:35
  know what it is. Okay?
• 48:38
  And so then you wait a couple of days, and then you go get the passport. Now that's the big kahuna
• 48:45
  because that's the highest form of identification
• 48:47
  issued by the federal government.
• 48:49
  And because you've included your affidavit in it, it will now reflect your new your son or your political status.
• 48:57
  They're not gonna have big neon lights on your passport card,
• 49:01
  but there are ways that you can go back in and identify this. We've had them identify people, HICA, as a
• 49:10
  cur courier,
• 49:12
  a state department courier. What I read. Yeah. Uh-huh. We've had it identified
• 49:17
  as what else do they call them?
• 49:19
  Ambassador at large,
• 49:21
  I think. And then they'll identify you as a noncitizen,
• 49:25
  but they think it's American Samoa, but it's really the national hiding behind
• 49:31
  the American Samoans. Now I've been talking a lot. I've given you a bunch of information.
• 49:36
  I wanna hear from you. What other questions do you have?
• 49:40
  Unknown: So okay. So but what is this application
• 49:44
  to
• 49:46
  secretary of state? That is just for Florida?
• 49:51
  Unknown: No. That's for your passport,
• 49:53
  I think. What are you looking Yeah.
• 49:56
  Unknown: Yeah. Okay. So I'm
• 49:58
  doing the passport
• 50:00
  application
• 50:01
  with the citizen's evidence.
• 50:03
  And then I'm writing a letter, right, to the secretary of, oh, of state.
• 50:08
  That means to Florida.
• 50:10
  Unknown: No. It means to
• 50:12
  secretary of state. Now and let me tell you. This is a very important incident that happened to me along the way. K?
• 50:18
  Early on, when John and Glenn were still teaching, one of our students in Nebraska, I believe, wrote a letter to the secretary of state of Nebraska. He said, could you send me something identifying me as a state citizen?
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  We knew about all this stuff back then.
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  And, we didn't know they changed the label to national, but we knew about the state citizen.
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  And this whoever the guy was in Nebraska
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  sent him back this beautiful
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  I mean, it was lovely
• 50:45
  stationary.
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  The buffalo from Nebraska is up there, and there's gold embossing,
• 50:50
  and it goes along the top and then ribbons of it down the side. And it was very beautiful. So and so is a proud Nebraska state citizen.
• 50:59
  K?
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  And so all of us wanted one of those.
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  So I wrote the secretary of state of the state of Florida. I wanted the state you live in now.
• 51:09
  And the secretary of state of Florida wrote me back. He says, you know, hey, big boy. I'd like to do this for you, but I can't
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  because the secretary of state of The United States has all final authority
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  over all
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  matters concerning
• 51:26
  citizenship.
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  Now I was very green. This is when I was real I there's the answer to the whole thing right there. And I was so new in this that it didn't register with me. But, you know, when I got ready to move to South America and I was cleaning out all my files, I found that letter. K? Now the importance of that statement and that letter
• 51:49
  was years ago when I had to apply for passport for the first time. And
• 51:54
  I saw the at the top, the warning box,
• 51:57
  secretary of the state of the United States at the top of the page, and that sentence from that letter that that secretary of state of Florida had written me years ago came back to me,
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  all
• 52:09
  final authority of all matters concerning citizenship with the secretary secretary of of state. State. Now
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  here's a good question. Why is that?
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  Why does he have all this authority?
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  Because he's always been the one that issued passports.
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  And for them to issue you a passport according to Vattel's law of nations,
• 52:32
  a passport is a document issued by your country that identifies you and presents you to foreign nations.
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  So if they're gonna
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  represent
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  you
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  and present you to foreign nation, they've got to include your political status, don't they?
• 52:49
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 52:50
  Unknown: Well, that's why they drove this whole scheme through the secretary of state
• 52:56
  because they've got it set up where the minute you're born
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  and your big toe comes out of mama's birth canal,
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  you're you're enslaved.
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  That's why they ask you the whole rest of your life. Are you a slave? Are you under the laws of Washington DC?
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  You don't understand what they're asking you, and you answer yes and you sign something. So there it is. They set it up when you're born. It follows you throughout your child
• 53:21
  life all the way up till you're 18 and adult, then they start asking the questions because what they're getting is your agreement on the contract.
• 53:29
  They put you into a contract at birth. They never told you about it. It's an unusual contract. Nobody hardly knows about. And then they ask you the rest of the life, is that you? Is that you? Is that you? You don't know all this has been done. You're totally ignorant as to that, and you answer yes and sign something
• 53:48
  every time they ask you.
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  So you
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  literally
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  are the one that completed the contract here.
• 53:56
  But the good news is it's all under fraud.
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  So fraud initiates any contract from the beginning.
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  That's why they have to recognize this.
• 54:05
  That's why they can't turn that affidavit down. We're exposing their fraud,
• 54:10
  and they have to honor it.
• 54:12
  Now I was gonna tell you where that comes from because I learned from Brent. Remember your history a little bit about England and king Henry the eighth? Do you remember him? Went through all those wives?
• 54:23
  Beheaded one of them, hand bow, hand bowling, and all that. Oh, yeah. Well, at some point Yeah. In king Henry's the eighth, he was trying he was desperate for money. K?
• 54:32
  And and so he would he'd gone to the Obans over there, tried to borrow money from them. He he had already been done with the Jews. He was trying to get borrow some money from the pope.
• 54:43
  And so England had been under control of the Catholics for a while.
• 54:48
  And so what king Henry the eighth did was he went outside of England in some established place and got all the bishops of England into one room.
• 54:59
  And he said, you're either gonna follow the pope or I'm gonna if you don't follow me, I'm gonna remove your head.
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  You're not following the pope, and nobody in the room said anything. Mhmm.
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  And king Henry said, silence deems consent.
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  That's where it came from. Mhmm.
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  So when they don't object to you submitting that affidavit,
• 55:22
  they've accepted it and agreed with you even though they never opened their mouth.
• 55:27
  Okay? So that's what we're deal these are powerful forces here. K?
• 55:32
  Unknown: Yes. So I think my mistake was that
• 55:36
  that I thought okay. That I thought I also had to send a letter to the attorney general, but that's no. Only to the secretary of state. Right? Well, this is the front end.
• 55:48
  Unknown: What you're just mentioning is the back end.
• 55:51
  Because once you've changed your status with the federal government, you're no longer a federal citizen.
• 55:57
  Now you wanna go back to your state and tell them. Because the secretary of state probably is not gonna drop the what they're doing and called all the officials in Florida. Hey. Hi. Excuse
• 56:10
  me.
• 56:12
  Hi. Just changed her status. She's a national now. They're treat her accordingly.
• 56:16
  They're probably not gonna do that. So you've gotta do that. And then the second half of this is once you've changed your status,
• 56:24
  now you go back and you, what we call, weaponize it
• 56:28
  like a porcupine.
• 56:29
  You know what a porcupine is?
• 56:32
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 56:33
  Unknown: It's like a porcupine. You're putting all those quills out there, and if they touch you, you're gonna insert one of them into their hand, k, at least theoretically.
• 56:43
  So now what we're gonna do is we're gonna notify our state, and you're gonna, first of all, write to the attorney general
• 56:50
  of Florida.
• 56:51
  Don't know who that is.
• 56:53
  And you're going to do what we would call CC or carbon copy,
• 56:58
  the other officials in your Broward County down there.
• 57:03
  So you're gonna address it to the secretary of state of Florida,
• 57:07
  and you're gonna CC at the bottom. You're gonna CC your district attorney,
• 57:11
  the guy that dockets cases.
• 57:14
  You're gonna cc your sheriff. Used to be a guy named Israel down there, I think.
• 57:19
  Anyway,
• 57:20
  you're gonna cc your sheriff, and you're gonna cc your police department, chief of police.
• 57:25
  So at the bottom of the letter you're sending to the attorney general of Florida,
• 57:30
  all those people will be listed, and they'll receive this copy
• 57:34
  certified to the same notification.
• 57:36
  Here's what you're doing, Heiko.
• 57:39
  You're you're reaching back and grabbing another legal philosophy
• 57:43
  called due process.
• 57:45
  I'm sure you've probably heard of that. It's the underpinning of all of our laws. Okay? Due process
• 57:51
  is notice
• 57:53
  and the right to be heard.
• 57:55
  It's quite simple. It's the process that's due and owing. It comes from our history of the common law. Notice. In other words, I'm gonna tell them this is what the deal, and then if they've got any objections or anything, I'm gonna hear them. Well, they never have any objections.
• 58:12
  K? So noticing the right to be heard, due process is what we're doing. We're noticing everybody that's important
• 58:19
  in the state of Florida, the attorney general mainly because he's overall law enforcement,
• 58:24
  and then the people in your county.
• 58:27
  If you drive in the next county and you work over there, you might wanna notify them too, but that's up to you, and these are individual
• 58:34
  circumstances.
• 58:36
  So you're gonna put on letter yes. Just a second if you could. You put on that letter exactly what you put on the other one. You put please find my
• 58:46
  notarized citizenship evidence now on file with the secretary of state of The United States Of America.
• 58:53
  If you've gotten and you've waited long enough, I don't know if that's good or bad. If you've gotten your passport back, you could put passport number so and so and so and so and so was issued
• 59:04
  with submission of this affidavit.
• 59:07
  K? Because they're not gonna issue a passport if it's not true. They take passport fraud very seriously.
• 59:13
  And then you're gonna say, please adjust all your records accordingly,
• 59:17
  and you're gonna send it to all those people. Now you've weaponized your state position.
• 59:22
  K? Now who was who was was trying to say something? Was that William?
• 59:26
  Unknown: Yes, William.
• 59:27
  Unknown: Hey, William.
• 59:29
  William, this is How's it going? This is Haika. This is Haika. Haika, this is William. He's a boy up in a Hey, William. Georgia. Hello. His airplanes
• 59:37
  all over the place?
• 59:39
  And, he's very good student, and he's actually prosecuting
• 59:43
  the state of Florida to get back some ad valorem sales tax on a vehicle.
• 59:47
  Fairly harmless
• 59:48
  situation,
• 59:49
  and he's really gone after him good. So, William, what have you got for our new student, Heiko here?
• 59:55
  Unknown: Well, I I was just gonna say to kinda be careful what you put in the notices because it does Yeah. It does weaponize it. But I've I got my notices from John Garland,
• 1:00:05
  when I first got involved real early.
• 1:00:08
  And, I said, John, what did you send to,
• 1:00:11
  you know, the secretary of state and
• 1:00:14
  to the secretary of of your state?
• 1:00:16
  And, you know, what did you put in the notices?
• 1:00:19
  And he sent me his notice, and I just put my information in it.
• 1:00:25
  But one of the paragraphs he had in there was that he was a citizen under the constitutional contract of 1797.
• 1:00:33
  Okay. Which was in the first paragraph, which is true.
• 1:00:37
  A national is a state citizen, which was,
• 1:00:40
  you know Mhmm. Came up in the contract of 1797.
• 1:00:43
  Unknown: Well, that's all there was for the first eighty years. There's only one status.
• 1:00:48
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:00:49
  So
• 1:00:50
  when I put in my
• 1:00:53
  motion for summary judgment, I put in all those notices and said, hey. I noticed the state. You know, I've weaponized this affidavit.
• 1:01:00
  I noticed the Department of Revenue, and they didn't do anything about it.
• 1:01:05
  And the and the countering of the county attorney
• 1:01:08
  took that statement that he says he's a constitutional
• 1:01:12
  citizen of of the constitutional contract of 1797,
• 1:01:16
  and he put that all over the place in my documentation
• 1:01:20
  now.
• 1:01:21
  So, like,
• 1:01:22
  just trying to find some wording that sounds like sovereign citizen, that sounds,
• 1:01:27
  you know, to the layperson looking at it,
• 1:01:31
  it doesn't sound good.
• 1:01:33
  No. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:01:35
  Unknown: Of course. Because they're gonna say, well, why don't you pay your fair share? Everybody else does.
• 1:01:41
  Unknown: Right. So I just wanted just wanted to say, you know, don't put anything like that in the in those notices. Just put,
• 1:01:48
  I'm a national.
• 1:01:49
  I'm a national 20
• 1:01:54
  eight USC
• 1:01:56
  11 o one a 21.
• 1:01:58
  Because now I'm kinda fighting back uphill a little bit on that because I've gotta now I've gotta rebut what was in my own notices.
• 1:02:06
  Not that not that it's wrong.
• 1:02:08
  Unknown: Alright. But here's the thing is they're calling him a sovereign citizen, Heiko. You're not a sovereign citizen. You can't find that anywhere, any court case, any statute, any regulation.
• 1:02:19
  It's made up by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
• 1:02:22
  I think to counteract what we're doing here because they've known about this since the first time I got on the radio with it fifteen years ago.
• 1:02:29
  K? And,
• 1:02:31
  so you're the guy has got a a judge that agreed with him. He's about to hit William with $4,000
• 1:02:37
  worth of, attorney's fees,
• 1:02:40
  and they don't even define
• 1:02:42
  what the hell they're charging him whether they've called him. Then you can't find sovereign citizen definition anywhere. It's all BS.
• 1:02:49
  But this is the links they'll go to,
• 1:02:52
  and the ignorance
• 1:02:54
  and the functional
• 1:02:56
  illiteracy
• 1:02:57
  of people in our whole country in all levels of government and private because they don't know this information that you have found here, Heiko.
• 1:03:05
  This takes clears everything up.
• 1:03:10
  Unknown: Sure.
• 1:03:11
  I have another question. Under eight USC Yes.
• 1:03:15
  One four five two b
• 1:03:18
  Yes. One, it says,
• 1:03:20
  prove of dissatisfaction
• 1:03:23
  to secretary
• 1:03:24
  of state
• 1:03:26
  that the person is a national.
• 1:03:30
  Unknown: Well, that's what your affidavit's
• 1:03:32
  Unknown: doing. That's that's your that's the affidavit. Affidavit then. Okay. That I I just wanted to double check. Okay.
• 1:03:39
  Unknown: What's the what's the affidavit? An affidavit is court testimony.
• 1:03:43
  It the only way it can be overcome
• 1:03:46
  is by
• 1:03:47
  contradicting the facts that's stated in yours and signed under penalty of perjury.
• 1:03:52
  They will never do that because they can't do that. K?
• 1:03:57
  That's your that's why I use the word evidence, Heiko.
• 1:04:02
  Unknown: That tells them what it is. Right. Evidence letter. Right. Right. Right. Right. So now I have a one more question, and I keep going back there because
• 1:04:13
  Unknown: You can have as many questions as you want. We got out of bed this morning to talk to you.
• 1:04:21
  Unknown: I couldn't wait to talk to you guys. I was really nervous because
• 1:04:25
  Paul Figured all this out with the phone. The phone, it it it's so complicated.
• 1:04:31
  I'm I'm I'm not a technical person.
• 1:04:34
  Unknown: Yeah. So I mean, understand.
• 1:04:36
  Unknown: Why I told Paul
• 1:04:38
  I told Paul, yeah, listen. We're gonna have a new one come along here in a day or two, and here comes Heiko. Just
• 1:04:43
  bright, cheery,
• 1:04:44
  bubbly, effervescent,
• 1:04:46
  anxious to know the truth, and we're anxious
• 1:04:49
  to help you learn it, sweetie.
• 1:04:51
  Unknown: Yeah. And one more comment, Roger. Yeah. Okay, William. Go ahead.
• 1:04:56
  Anytime you're dealing with attack situation,
• 1:05:00
  all don't even next thing. Don't use national.
• 1:05:04
  Use
• 1:05:05
  nonresident alien.
• 1:05:07
  So if I had gone at this state tax with nonresident alien, nonresident alien, nonresident and I just pounded them with that,
• 1:05:15
  I would be in a lot better position than trying to to wrap it around to citizenship.
• 1:05:20
  So
• 1:05:21
  when it comes to
• 1:05:22
  any kind of tax related issue,
• 1:05:25
  you want that person to know you're a nonresident alien. You're not a resident alien.
• 1:05:31
  Unknown: But that's only
• 1:05:33
  o n l y
• 1:05:35
  as it applies to taxation
• 1:05:38
  only. Yep. Well Yep. So here's what we don't want because
• 1:05:43
  here's what we don't want, Heidi. I'm sorry to interrupt. Just hold your thought. We like, we had a guy on here, and we go over and explain to him, and he's out driving in California, and he gets pulled over on the side of the road, and he's gonna tape it. Right?
• 1:05:56
  And he's talking to the cop, and he goes, I'm a nonresident alien.
• 1:06:00
  Well, no. You're a national.
• 1:06:02
  And you start throwing that kind of complexity to this guy, and he is gonna think you're nuts. Okay?
• 1:06:10
  So that's why it's very important to learn all these terms and where and how they apply. You're not gonna do it overnight.
• 1:06:17
  Just be patient with it. It'll come. And people like Julie
• 1:06:21
  are here to help you. Yes, Julie.
• 1:06:25
  Unknown: Yeah. I wanna correct some Heiko on something. Hey, Heiko. You were talking about title eight United States Code
• 1:06:32
  fourteen fifty two B1.
• 1:06:34
  That's not applicable to you. That's applicable to a non citizen national,
• 1:06:38
  which is an American Samoa.
• 1:06:40
  So that doesn't have anything to do with
• 1:06:44
  a national.
• 1:06:46
  Unknown: But it says there's certificate of citizenship
• 1:06:49
  or US
• 1:06:50
  non citizen national status. Yeah,
• 1:06:53
  Unknown: but non citizen national is an American Samoa. That's not what we are. That's the little island
• 1:07:00
  in the Pacific,
• 1:07:02
  so that's not applicable to us.
• 1:07:05
  Unknown: See, here's the difference, Heiko. They
• 1:07:07
  made American
• 1:07:09
  Samoa. They gave Samoa to Germany.
• 1:07:12
  We had a big fight with you guys around 1900,
• 1:07:15
  and we gave you the big island. The Germans got the big island of Samoa, and we got this little bitty looks like an almond over on the East side of it called American Samoa.
• 1:07:25
  Now American Samoa
• 1:07:27
  is the only territory
• 1:07:29
  somebody might correct me on some fringe here. To my knowledge and understanding,
• 1:07:34
  it's the only territory in the entire federal system
• 1:07:38
  that does not is not incorporated.
• 1:07:41
  In other words, they've left them hanging out there by themselves. Yeah. And they call them noncitizen
• 1:07:48
  nationals.
• 1:07:49
  And the reason they do is because they have all these natural rights that you're about to acquire,
• 1:07:56
  but they are not birthright citizenship.
• 1:08:00
  See, when you immigrated over here, you got birthright citizenship because you naturalized.
• 1:08:06
  And for the American Samoans,
• 1:08:08
  and they're in The United States Of America system, they're the federal system.
• 1:08:13
  They've got to come and naturalize
• 1:08:15
  to become citizens of The United States.
• 1:08:18
  So that's why they call them noncitizen
• 1:08:22
  nationals.
• 1:08:23
  And then they call us, label us nationals,
• 1:08:26
  and they hide us right behind them.
• 1:08:30
  Unknown: And I did. Right? Yeah. They are Yes. But
• 1:08:34
  see, how are they hiding us behind
• 1:08:37
  Unknown: them? I mean Because they use the same word nationals?
• 1:08:40
  Well, there's not, I mean, there's another paragraph right under what you read there, and the next one is the American national,
• 1:08:48
  not American Samoan national.
• 1:08:51
  So that's what they're doing. These are these people
• 1:08:54
  that your country fought against so vehemently.
• 1:08:58
  Oh. The Oh, they This is how they were. Not American.
• 1:09:03
  Unknown: What? Say it again. They are calling us
• 1:09:05
  not American
• 1:09:07
  Unknown: Samoans. No. No. No. They call us American
• 1:09:10
  nationals.
• 1:09:12
  One place in the code or just
• 1:09:14
  national.
• 1:09:16
  The American Samoans
• 1:09:18
  are always
• 1:09:19
  called
• 1:09:20
  noncitizen
• 1:09:22
  nationals
• 1:09:23
  because they have to move they have to apply to the federal government. Even though that's who they're under, they've got to apply to the federal government to get fourteenth amendment citizenship.
• 1:09:35
  They don't get all that, and they want it. They want it badly, and they can't understand why they don't have it. There's been a couple of legal cases.
• 1:09:45
  None of them reached the supreme court. They'll never reach the supreme court because the supreme court would blow this whole scheme out of the water. Okay? All I have to say, they can't figure out why they can't get the goodies and why they're not included in the federal citizenship scam.
• 1:09:59
  And the reason is so they can call them nationals
• 1:10:03
  and hide us the national behind it.
• 1:10:08
  But how are they doing that? Well, they're they're they're doing just like I said. They look
• 1:10:14
  at the passport. You got a passport application in front of you still? Yes. Yes. Yes. I do. Look down at the look at the oath.
• 1:10:21
  Just look at the oath.
• 1:10:22
  I certify
• 1:10:24
  and solemnly swear under whatever that I'm a citizen of The United States or a noncitizen
• 1:10:33
  national.
• 1:10:34
  So
• 1:10:35
  Unknown: here the point.
• 1:10:37
  Noncitizen
• 1:10:38
  national.
• 1:10:39
  Right. I'm a Samoanian. So
• 1:10:41
  Unknown: no. No. You're not. Your your affidavit is separating you from that, but you're still a national. Oh. But you see how good these guys are? Do you do you see how slighty they are? It.
• 1:10:54
  Unknown: Heiko. Yes. Hey, Heiko. They don't want us to know that this status is available to us because then we kick ourselves out of their jurisdiction,
• 1:11:04
  which is the 10 mile square
• 1:11:06
  and United States is defined as the District of Columbia. They don't want us to know that this is available. So that's why when you go to Title VIII, United States Code eleven oh one parentheses
• 1:11:16
  A parentheses 21,
• 1:11:18
  it specifically states the term national means a person owing permanent allegiance to a small estate.
• 1:11:26
  And so
• 1:11:28
  that you understand that, if you go to the 22 definition,
• 1:11:33
  it says the term national of The United States means a citizen of The United States, which would be the 10,
• 1:11:41
  or b, a person who, though not a citizen of The United States, owes permanent allegiance to The United States, which is, again, the jurisdiction and the District Of Columbia.
• 1:11:52
  Unknown: So that's why And Americans abolish.
• 1:11:55
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. And so that they hide this status. They don't want you to be able to get a passport out Which is the title again? National.
• 1:12:02
  Title eight
• 1:12:04
  Title eight. United States code
• 1:12:07
  11 o one,
• 1:12:08
  parenthesis 11 o
• 1:12:10
  Unknown: one. Go ahead. Slow down a little, Julie. She can only write so fast here. Hold on. Julie is The a u s c 11 o one, and then? Okay,
• 1:12:20
  Unknown: Title VIII,
• 1:12:21
  USC,
• 1:12:22
  which stands for United States Code, and it's eleven oh one,
• 1:12:26
  lower parentheses,
• 1:12:28
  lowercase a, parentheses,
• 1:12:31
  the number 21.
• 1:12:33
  You can just go to uscode.house.gov
• 1:12:36
  to look it up. Yep, I definitely will. I will. And that's more helpful. And
• 1:12:41
  you'll see 22 underneath that. But if you look at your passport application, it doesn't let you check national on there even though it's in the code. Yes. They cite it at Rogersville. They don't
• 1:12:53
  Unknown: don't ask you anywhere what you are.
• 1:12:55
  They're gonna leave the presumption hanging over you that you've always agreed to unless
• 1:13:01
  you give them something like a declaration or an affidavit that shows them the other way. And if you give it to them, they gotta follow it. Haika. Okay?
• 1:13:10
  Unknown: Exactly. I think you answered my question. I was just curious how they, you know, twist and get all around it, but I guess you're right. When
• 1:13:19
  Unknown: you attach that affidavit May I address that?
• 1:13:23
  Unknown: Yeah. Hold on, Sherry. Yes. Let her finish. Let her finish, please. Go ahead, Heiko.
• 1:13:28
  Unknown: Oh, that's okay.
• 1:13:29
  Unknown: Talked enough.
• 1:13:31
  Unknown: Go ahead.
• 1:13:32
  Unknown: Now we like to have new people here. Now Sherry,
• 1:13:35
  Sherry used to work for these rascals here, these, individuals
• 1:13:39
  representing Satan.
• 1:13:41
  Sherry, what have you got for our new friend Heiko here?
• 1:13:44
  Unknown: Well, worse than that, Roger,
• 1:13:47
  how they lure us in is with their code.
• 1:13:52
  Yeah.
• 1:13:53
  We've gotta get back to organic.
• 1:13:56
  Correct.
• 1:13:57
  That's what I'm saying. And once you start addressing their code,
• 1:14:02
  then they have jurisdiction
• 1:14:04
  Unknown: under No. No. I'm pointing out where I am free in their code, they've gotta recognize that this is going back to positive and nonpositive law
• 1:14:13
  and all that other stuff. Heiko, there's a lot to learn here. But the good news is you don't have to do it all immediately.
• 1:14:19
  K? You don't have to do it all immediately.
• 1:14:22
  And and that's the power of this because here's what'll happen to you.
• 1:14:26
  You continue to listen. You seem to like like us, and we're pretty good bunch around here, and we got a lot of pretty hard hitting information. And so you continue to hang around like Julie has for about a year and a half now. And so at some point, she's gonna hear something
• 1:14:43
  now
• 1:14:44
  that she'd heard before.
• 1:14:46
  But between now and when she heard it the last time,
• 1:14:50
  she has grown in her understanding.
• 1:14:53
  And so when she hears it again,
• 1:14:56
  she sees it in a different light and from a different perspective
• 1:14:59
  and gets something different from it even though she's heard it a number of times before.
• 1:15:04
  That will happen to you. Hey.
• 1:15:07
  Unknown: Heiko?
• 1:15:08
  Yeah. Are you on Telegram?
• 1:15:11
  Yes. I am. So you have are you a member of National Status Freedom? That's MERCA's channel.
• 1:15:17
  Unknown: No. Can you tell me about it? Yeah. You should. Tell her about it, Julie.
• 1:15:22
  Unknown: You should. There's about 500 of us on there. We help one another out. You can post questions, and you can read valuable information.
• 1:15:30
  Anytime you have a question about anything, people will reach out to is you. Your name again? It's called National
• 1:15:36
  Status Freedom.
• 1:15:38
  Unknown: National
• 1:15:39
  Status
• 1:15:40
  Cool.
• 1:15:42
  I like that. So you'll
• 1:15:47
  Unknown: need to get a hold of Mirka and she'll let you in.
• 1:15:51
  So
• 1:15:52
  again, it's National Status Freedom.
• 1:15:55
  And you
• 1:15:57
  can
• 1:15:59
  send a direct message to Mirka
• 1:16:02
  on Telegram.
• 1:16:04
  And
• 1:16:05
  her
• 1:16:07
  direct message is
• 1:16:11
  M as in mother,
• 1:16:13
  X as in X-ray,
• 1:16:15
  natural,
• 1:16:16
  N A T U R A L,
• 1:16:19
  and the number seven, all one word.
• 1:16:22
  Unknown: Say it again. It is M X and then what?
• 1:16:25
  Unknown: Natural, the word natural,
• 1:16:27
  N A T U R And A
• 1:16:30
  then the number seven.
• 1:16:32
  Yeah.
• 1:16:33
  Unknown: M H, yes. Yeah.
• 1:16:36
  Unknown: Just DM her, send her a direct message, say I was on Roger's show today and I'm new, and I would like to join your National Status Freedom Telegram channel, please. And she'll And what is your name? My name is Julie. She knows me. Actually, that's why I'm going to mention you. Yeah. Every every
• 1:16:54
  Unknown: everybody knows Julie. Everybody knows Julie. She's a lost. Talk
• 1:16:59
  Unknown: to Julie.
• 1:17:01
  Unknown: Yeah. She said, I wanna,
• 1:17:03
  please be a.
• 1:17:05
  Unknown: Go ahead. I'm surprised she's not here today. She hadn't been here this week, so I'm not sure. Do what? Who was the guy there?
• 1:17:13
  Unknown: Marcus has been busy. Roger.
• 1:17:15
  Unknown: Uh-oh. I got one more comment. Trying to talk. Hello. Okay. William, is you the guy the guy that was trying to say something there a second ago or not? Yeah.
• 1:17:24
  Unknown: You're she was asking how does how do they hide it behind the American Samoan, the noncitizen national?
• 1:17:31
  And it's real easy to see. Just go into Google and type in national.
• 1:17:36
  Oh, they they won't tell me. And it'll it'll pull up nothing but American Samoa.
• 1:17:41
  Mhmm. And it'll it'll tell you that the national is an American Samoan.
• 1:17:45
  Unknown: Mhmm. That's what I did. Yeah. And and that's the headline.
• 1:17:49
  Unknown: They're not lying. They're just not telling you the whole truth.
• 1:17:54
  Yep. The same as everything here. The fraud is lack of full disclosure.
• 1:18:00
  When they ask you those two questions, Heiko, are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a resident? They
• 1:18:07
  should ask you, Haika, are you a citizen of The United States,
• 1:18:11
  or are you a national?
• 1:18:14
  See, that's what they should ask you. That'd be, oh, I don't know. What's this national thing? I'm a look on it. Well, they've been hiding it real thoroughly as you've been,
• 1:18:22
  presented with here this morning.
• 1:18:25
  So that's the whole deal. Here's what they're doing. You you go to the fair.
• 1:18:29
  You ever go to the Broward County Fair or any of the fairs in California, and you see the little guy He's providing outside. Well okay. Well, I'm gonna tell you kinda what. You probably saw this in Germany.
• 1:18:39
  There's a guy out there. He might be a Jew. He's got a little felt table, and he's got three thimbles,
• 1:18:45
  and there's a p under it. And he goes he moves them around, and he goes, which one's the p under? That's what's going on here.
• 1:18:54
  Unknown: Why? Yes. Exactly.
• 1:18:58
  Unknown: Yeah. But, Roger, how are they using
• 1:19:01
  that? Pardon? How are they using what? The three cops are the statutes.
• 1:19:07
  And once we
• 1:19:09
  are lured into defending ourselves under statute,
• 1:19:14
  Unknown: it changes everything. We're in their playground then. Well, I don't I don't agree with that, Sherry. We're using their statutes against them because they've gotta be honest at some point even though they hide it. Now why do you think they hide it? Because it I will not agree, Roger,
• 1:19:30
  Unknown: that the statutes are to be used against them,
• 1:19:33
  but they play them against us.
• 1:19:36
  Unknown: Well, the only way know their well, we know their game now. We've been Well, stop playing in their sandbox.
• 1:19:42
  No. I'm not. I'm gonna rub their nose in their sandbox because they pooped in it.
• 1:19:49
  Unknown: Roger?
• 1:19:50
  Unknown: Yes. I yield. Yeah. Would you say Jerry.
• 1:19:54
  You would you say all the lying that you just talked about that they did what they should have done, they are acting under color of law.
• 1:20:04
  Would you agree with that?
• 1:20:06
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:20:07
  I guess you could label it that. You could say they're playing extra constitutionally
• 1:20:12
  too, couldn't you?
• 1:20:13
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. You sure could.
• 1:20:16
  Unknown: Not unconstitutional,
• 1:20:18
  extra
• 1:20:19
  constitutional
• 1:20:20
  because
• 1:20:21
  excuse me.
• 1:20:23
  We're in bankruptcy.
• 1:20:26
  Unknown: Yep. And the reason I mentioned it was I wanted to ask you about William's case. Do you think the judge was acting under color of law with him?
• 1:20:40
  Unknown: I here's what happened with William's case that I understand. William had it
• 1:20:46
  very well laid out. He did a great job in presenting it, and he got into that final discussion with the judge,
• 1:20:54
  and it came down to law or politics.
• 1:20:57
  And William said, no. This is political.
• 1:21:01
  And when he said that, that judge slammed the gavel down. Bam.
• 1:21:06
  They will not touch a political
• 1:21:09
  case.
• 1:21:10
  Sixteenth Amendment
• 1:21:12
  example.
• 1:21:14
  Same thing.
• 1:21:15
  The judge isn't gonna try and override the legislature.
• 1:21:19
  When William said it's political is when he shut it down.
• 1:21:24
  Okay.
• 1:21:25
  Unknown: Well, I God, I mean
• 1:21:27
  yeah. Go ahead.
• 1:21:29
  Unknown: Well, same thing happened with the sixteenth amendment.
• 1:21:33
  Exactly. You know? Bill Benson worked for the Chicago, Illinois tax division,
• 1:21:39
  smelled the rat when he was employed,
• 1:21:41
  retired,
• 1:21:42
  got with Red Beckman, one of the patriarchs of our movement. They had a benefactor.
• 1:21:47
  They flew them to every state that was a state in the union when the sixteenth amendment was ratified
• 1:21:53
  in about 1916.
• 1:21:55
  And what they found, they went into the archives. Hi. Hi. Hi, Keika. You don't know this. They went into the archives of every state,
• 1:22:02
  and they fed they got certified and notarized
• 1:22:06
  documentation,
• 1:22:07
  and they proved that not one state
• 1:22:10
  ratified the sixteenth amendment.
• 1:22:12
  Not one. It makes two thirds have to. So they went back and they had a guy who was the secretary of state, obviously a tool.
• 1:22:21
  His name was Philander
• 1:22:23
  Knox. Who the hell would name their child Philander?
• 1:22:27
  A Philander?
• 1:22:28
  Philander
• 1:22:30
  Knox was his name.
• 1:22:32
  And he got up in front of the senate, and he banged the gavel down. He said it appears sixteenth amendment has been ratified.
• 1:22:38
  Boom.
• 1:22:39
  Took care of the tax,
• 1:22:41
  thing at the very start in 1916 under that fraud right there. So some patriots, when those books came out, took it to court on a tax case,
• 1:22:51
  and lo and behold,
• 1:22:53
  the court ruled in their favor.
• 1:22:57
  And immediately,
• 1:22:58
  there was amicus curie briefs loaded all over it. And at the appellate level, they overturned that decision.
• 1:23:05
  And so what happened was the court goes, this is a political case. It's not a legal case. Bam. Hot potato. The the congress goes, this this is a a legal case. This isn't a political case. Bam. And they throw it back to him, and they sit there playing hot potato for twenty years
• 1:23:23
  because nobody wants to belly up to the bar and make a correct decision.
• 1:23:31
  That's
• 1:23:32
  what's going on. Same thing with William.
• 1:23:34
  Exactly. It was exactly the same thing, Sketch. Okay.
• 1:23:38
  Unknown: So so so William
• 1:23:40
  has to appeal or sue the judge and say it's not Well it's not Well, that's not
• 1:23:47
  you're not acting as in a political act Mhmm.
• 1:23:50
  I'm not. Capacity. You're acting in a in a lawful capacity.
• 1:23:53
  Unknown: I would not suggest he sues the judge. I wanna ask William, though. William, have they filed those attorney's
• 1:24:00
  charges yet?
• 1:24:05
  I'll bet they haven't. I'll bet they've not filed those attorney's charges yet.
• 1:24:10
  Unknown: Okay. Yeah. They, yeah, they, they issued the order May 12, with the $4,300
• 1:24:15
  Unknown: of fees. I'm wrong. Okay. So he's got $4,300,
• 1:24:19
  Heiko, in in in legal fees are gonna try and hit him because he brought this case. What he's trying to do
• 1:24:26
  is to go back on a used car that he bought a few years ago and pay the ad valorem tax in Georgia and get him to refund that because he wasn't supposed to have to pay it. That's what this is all about. Wasn't a big tax case. 23.
• 1:24:40
  Yeah. It's pretty innocent. But
• 1:24:42
  Unknown: because That's about $2,300.
• 1:24:44
  Unknown: Yeah. Okay. But he gets to take these principles and and put them in front of a judge and an attorney, and the attorney doesn't know what to do except call him a sovereign citizen,
• 1:24:54
  which is a status that does not exist except in Montgomery, Alabama.
• 1:25:03
  Unknown: Well, the Georgia appellate court's gonna hear about it here before long. So Well, so Either they can be they can be open tyrants or
• 1:25:10
  we'll see.
• 1:25:12
  Unknown: But see, here's the you get this all boiled down, Heiko, that's you either accept what I say
• 1:25:18
  or you're an open tyrant
• 1:25:20
  because you're telling me what I am. And it's not your decision.
• 1:25:25
  It's always
• 1:25:27
  my decision.
• 1:25:28
  I'm the only one that can decide what set of laws I wanna live under. You did this. You left East Germany, said I don't wanna live under these oppressive laws. I wanna go to The United States, and here you are under the same damn crap. We're gonna get you out of it, sweetheart,
• 1:25:46
  if you want to. You
• 1:25:48
  Unknown: know, I think it's so right. But I but You know, Blackstone you know,
• 1:25:53
  Unknown: Blackstone says that one thing about you. Hold on, Heiko. I'll let well, let William get something in here now. I'll I was gonna talk to you. Go ahead, William.
• 1:26:01
  Unknown: I was gonna say, you know, Blackstone says that, liberty is locomotion,
• 1:26:05
  and that's the ability to move your body,
• 1:26:08
  to move yourself,
• 1:26:09
  religiously,
• 1:26:10
  to move yourself physically,
• 1:26:12
  to move yourself politically.
• 1:26:15
  That's the ability to to for you to have free will and make your own decisions. That's what liberty is.
• 1:26:20
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:26:22
  Unknown: Yes. And there's multiple facets to it.
• 1:26:25
  Unknown: And,
• 1:26:26
  so, Heiko, what were you gonna say a minute ago? You're charming, and we're certainly glad you decided to speak up and ask some questions today. You're the lifeblood of what we do, Heiko. When we get new folks like you, can you hear the enthusiasm in these people that wanna tell you stuff and all of us wanna help you? We're all gonna stick our hand and say, Ica, how can we help you walk down this path to your freedom?
• 1:26:51
  How can we help you? Yeah.
• 1:26:53
  Unknown: Well, sorry. I didn't wanted to interrupt the the the other person speaking. I I wanna apologize,
• 1:26:59
  but,
• 1:27:00
  I I just wanted to add that we also wanna be free financially,
• 1:27:05
  and there there are ways to be free financially as well.
• 1:27:09
  Yes, You know, just stepping just stepping outside of the matrix. You know? So I I have been really working on that.
• 1:27:15
  Unknown: Good.
• 1:27:16
  We talk about that. Yeah. There's five different I've I've been able to identify five different ways to, oh, follow a biblical directive and come out of where my people come out of where you got spiritual,
• 1:27:28
  you got financial,
• 1:27:29
  you got geographical,
• 1:27:31
  you've got a a spiritual,
• 1:27:34
  and there's five of them anyway. I can't always help. Health is another big one. So there's five of those, and I came out all of them. I'm in South America. I left the country almost twenty years ago,
• 1:27:45
  because a little voice told me to get out twice,
• 1:27:49
  and I followed it. Now here's the good part.
• 1:27:52
  I'd never had a passport hike.
• 1:27:55
  So when I decided to move to Argentina,
• 1:27:58
  I had to go get a passport for the first time. So when I went and got the applications of DS11,
• 1:28:04
  DS82,
• 1:28:05
  I got the 11. That was the one I needed to use. I was reading it. And at the top of the first page
• 1:28:12
  is the answer to this whole damn thing I've been looking for for fifteen years.
• 1:28:17
  Top of the first page of the app of the printed passport application.
• 1:28:22
  Secretary of state of The United States Of America
• 1:28:26
  and the warning box. Those are the two things that were at the top of the page.
• 1:28:30
  And when I saw the word affidavit,
• 1:28:33
  I knew I had them.
• 1:28:36
  I knew the power affidavits.
• 1:28:38
  I knew what we're talking about. I knew there was these different statuses,
• 1:28:43
  but what they do is they change the label on the concept.
• 1:28:47
  They take a free concept and they, oh, here's a noncitizen national. That's one. We can go over to title 42. I can show you where they call it white citizens.
• 1:28:57
  I can go down to IRS, and I can show you where they call it a nonresident alien.
• 1:29:02
  I can go over to title eight where we've been playing and showing you where it is over there, but they're all labeled different.
• 1:29:09
  So our community not having a background in law, and they're just stumbling into this big fraud,
• 1:29:16
  and every time they see a new label, they go off and chase it, not understanding it's the same old concept.
• 1:29:23
  So that's why here,
• 1:29:25
  I teach you concepts.
• 1:29:27
  So then when you see that concept in some sort of a configuration,
• 1:29:33
  you can identify it.
• 1:29:35
  K?
• 1:29:36
  Right.
• 1:29:38
  Unknown: Wonderful. What we're I have What I'm last question. Yes.
• 1:29:42
  Unknown: I'm and I wanna tell you this and may even make it more
• 1:29:45
  important,
• 1:29:46
  indelible to you.
• 1:29:47
  What you're being exposed to here today
• 1:29:50
  and since you found us is over a hundred years of three men's dedicated lives
• 1:29:58
  on history and law.
• 1:30:00
  Is it just something Roger
• 1:30:02
  pulled up? You know? This has been a long
• 1:30:07
  sequence of events
• 1:30:09
  that's lasted decades.
• 1:30:11
  And finally,
• 1:30:12
  I look at it, the passport application,
• 1:30:15
  and I can take all that information
• 1:30:17
  and focus it down and go,
• 1:30:19
  there we are. Bam. Right there.
• 1:30:22
  Everything else we've learned subsequently
• 1:30:25
  is all the peripheral stuff that we didn't even know about back then, like these nonresident aliens. I didn't even know about the Samoans when I wrote the book.
• 1:30:35
  Roger? So it it's a process, Heiko. We're glad you found us, and we will help you as we'll bend over backwards to help you understand and implement it. Julie's got something else for you. Julie?
• 1:30:48
  Unknown: Yeah. Hi, Heiko. I just wanted to also caution you, because there's a lot of controversy around controversy
• 1:30:54
  around how these words are used.
• 1:30:57
  I don't like the word United States at all. So
• 1:31:01
  you will
• 1:31:04
  see some educational materials that will talk about
• 1:31:08
  that nationals are the same thing as U. S. Nationals, and I totally agree with disagree with that. Because of Title VIII, U. C. 1101A,
• 1:31:18
  you can see
• 1:31:19
  in
• 1:31:20
  22 that it says that a national of The United States means a citizen of The United States. And so I don't like to use US national
• 1:31:30
  at all. In any way, shape, or form, if somebody asks me, are you a US national? I say, absolutely not. I'm a national. No. Say Just national.
• 1:31:39
  Yeah. Just a national. Don't use US national because I believe that means citizen of The United States, and you don't wanna get yourself,
• 1:31:47
  you know, they try to trick you. So you don't wanna get your own self tricked. Mhmm. Now you can use, because we found at one place,
• 1:31:56
  Unknown: American National.
• 1:31:57
  But just use national. Get used to using that. All this other stuff just fades away. Okay?
• 1:32:03
  Because we've had big arguments for days. We've had arguments for days on that point, Julie. Just just use national. Okay?
• 1:32:12
  Now one question.
• 1:32:14
  Hold on, Sherry. Let let her speak back. Yes, Heiko?
• 1:32:18
  Unknown: Me okay. So, but I'm a national then of Florida. Right?
• 1:32:24
  Unknown: No. Well, you could say you're a national slash
• 1:32:27
  Florida state citizen. That would be correct.
• 1:32:31
  Unknown: So national means I am not a national office of a
• 1:32:36
  Unknown: state of the union. I'm a national of The United States Of America then. Of course. Right. There, you're correct. Okay. Now what you've done there is just take the word state citizen and substitute it for national.
• 1:32:49
  Although, all
• 1:32:50
  of them are in law cases and all that stuff, but they've changed it in 1940
• 1:32:55
  to national.
• 1:32:56
  So just and and well, here, let me give you some background on that and why it's important and how you can identify it.
• 1:33:03
  In that
• 1:33:04
  title a description,
• 1:33:06
  they pull a
• 1:33:08
  definition
• 1:33:10
  from a 1940
• 1:33:12
  statutes at large statute.
• 1:33:16
  It's constitutional,
• 1:33:18
  and it says a national owes total allegiance
• 1:33:22
  to a small s
• 1:33:24
  state.
• 1:33:25
  That's all it says.
• 1:33:27
  A national, no other identifier.
• 1:33:29
  A national owes total allegiance to a small s
• 1:33:33
  state.
• 1:33:34
  Now because
• 1:33:35
  HICA John Benson was my law teacher
• 1:33:38
  and used to study the old law,
• 1:33:41
  I can tell you from that short little sentence exactly what's going on and how it applies.
• 1:33:46
  Nobody else can because they don't teach these concepts in our law schools anymore.
• 1:33:51
  There's another way they've hidden this.
• 1:33:54
  So the keyword in that short sentence,
• 1:33:57
  national, of course, is identifying that, and it identifies it by saying owes total allegiance
• 1:34:05
  to a small less state.
• 1:34:07
  Well, what does that mean?
• 1:34:09
  Well, it's the part of the formula for jurisdiction,
• 1:34:14
  and that's what we're centering on here.
• 1:34:17
  What gives that bureaucrat over there? He's unelected. Nobody elected him,
• 1:34:21
  And he can take existing legislation that's passed by the congress, and he can reinterpret
• 1:34:27
  it
• 1:34:28
  to whatever he wants it to read and then apply it to me.
• 1:34:33
  How does that happen?
• 1:34:36
  Unknown: Unless you define
• 1:34:38
  the terms.
• 1:34:40
  We all need to be putting forth
• 1:34:43
  glossaries
• 1:34:44
  just as correct.
• 1:34:48
  But stop using their terms.
• 1:34:51
  No. I'm not gonna say using their terms. That's where Sherry,
• 1:34:54
  Unknown: that's crazy.
• 1:34:56
  Unknown: Why stop using Why? If you put forth your own glossary
• 1:35:02
  Unknown: of what the terms. Carrie, isn't this complicated enough without that being thrown in here? Really? Well, if you define what the words
• 1:35:13
  Unknown: are in your own document
• 1:35:15
  and they don't rebut it,
• 1:35:18
  then it stands.
• 1:35:20
  Unknown: And it's just that simple. Please get back to educating us. I don't want her being exposed to this right now. K?
• 1:35:27
  Because I don't believe it's accurate. Alright? That your interpretation,
• 1:35:31
  I don't interpret it the same way. K?
• 1:35:34
  So that little sentence
• 1:35:36
  says a national owes total allegiance to a small less state. The keyword is allegiance.
• 1:35:43
  And
• 1:35:45
  that comes from the feudal system
• 1:35:47
  a thousand or more years ago back in your old part of the world in Germany.
• 1:35:52
  K? And when the feudal system started,
• 1:35:56
  the way that the jurisdiction or the lord of the manor had over the surf was through this
• 1:36:02
  reciprocal
• 1:36:04
  definition,
• 1:36:05
  and it starts when you see either allegiance
• 1:36:09
  or protection.
• 1:36:11
  Because whenever you see one of those words,
• 1:36:14
  it automatically
• 1:36:15
  invokes the other word and this formula.
• 1:36:18
  So when it says,
• 1:36:20
  I owe total allegiance,
• 1:36:22
  I understand we're talking about jurisdiction.
• 1:36:25
  And the other part that is not in the sentence
• 1:36:28
  is that now the small s state
• 1:36:31
  owes me total protection.
• 1:36:34
  So when I owe it allegiance,
• 1:36:36
  it automatically
• 1:36:37
  owes me protection.
• 1:36:40
  And they don't know that, and we're gonna try and educate them as to it. That's why you're sending that notice to the adjourned general of the state of Florida.
• 1:36:49
  You're putting him on notice. He's got a government office up there. It's a big time office. If he doesn't know this stuff,
• 1:36:56
  then he's got a duty to know it. It's not a choice.
• 1:37:00
  It's it's an obligation.
• 1:37:02
  It's a duty. When we give them allegiance,
• 1:37:05
  they give us protection. Well, protection from what?
• 1:37:09
  What about if if
• 1:37:11
  Castro
• 1:37:13
  gets a invasion of Cubans and they're gonna invade Florida?
• 1:37:17
  You see, are they supposed to give you protection from that? Well, you're part you wouldn't be because you're a female. You'd be part of the militia. You're supposed to defend the state, but they're not supposed to have federal government agencies
• 1:37:29
  be able to do things like institute
• 1:37:32
  traffic laws
• 1:37:34
  that are only for federal citizens.
• 1:37:38
  Because now the state is supposed to protect you from intrusion
• 1:37:42
  just like the Cubans from the federal government.
• 1:37:46
  But see, they they generally don't know this because they don't teach in law schools anymore.
• 1:37:52
  We found it in court cases. John taught it. He used to go read the old law books.
• 1:37:58
  He didn't go to law school law books. He went to the old law books. K? So that's how we know all this stuff.
• 1:38:05
  Unknown: But that little sentence right here Roger, didn't those books have a glossary?
• 1:38:11
  Unknown: I don't know what they did. Saying.
• 1:38:13
  Unknown: Absolutely,
• 1:38:14
  Unknown: they did. Please, Sherry, I love you being here, but that stuff you're spouting right there to me is just not correct. Before we discuss,
• 1:38:23
  Unknown: let us define our terms. Okay. Alright. People, define your own terms.
• 1:38:28
  Unknown: Sherry,
• 1:38:29
  Unknown: Two seconds. Sherry, I mean, please.
• 1:38:33
  That's just horse manure.
• 1:38:38
  When I use I'm a nonresident alien going to the code of federal regulations.
• 1:38:43
  I'm not supposed to be able to use that according to you and your definitions
• 1:38:47
  because it's in their regulations.
• 1:38:49
  No. Wrong. You're Define your terms. You're off you're off base here, Sherry. Sorry. K?
• 1:38:55
  So let me go back to HICA, could I please?
• 1:38:58
  So that's the kind of thing we're dealing with.
• 1:39:02
  Okay? Yeah. And, and it just it takes time to learn them. You're not gonna learn it overnight, but gradually, if you really wanna learn it, you'll be able to internalize this stuff and then apply it.
• 1:39:15
  And that's what we want you to Sure.
• 1:39:18
  Unknown: So I have one more last question. So I'm writing to the secretary of state
• 1:39:23
  of Florida.
• 1:39:24
  Do I have to write
• 1:39:27
  a letter No. No. No. Affidavit
• 1:39:30
  Unknown: of No. You're not gonna no. You're not writing the secretary of state. He's not over the laws.
• 1:39:36
  The laws in Florida are headed and governed by the attorney general.
• 1:39:40
  The secretary of state of Florida, if you write him, he's gonna write you back and say, are you trying to open an account? Would you like to form a corporation?
• 1:39:49
  Do you owe us some fees? That's what they're gonna ask you.
• 1:39:53
  The attorney general we learned this the hard way. The attorney general is a It's a letter to the attorney general.
• 1:40:00
  Correct.
• 1:40:02
  Unknown: No.
• 1:40:03
  So but Yeah. That's just Somewhere I've I read in your notes something with secretary
• 1:40:08
  of state.
• 1:40:10
  Unknown: Is that how The United States That's not that's the federal secretary of state in Washington DC,
• 1:40:16
  Heiko. Not your secretary of state in Florida. Just the one that's federal.
• 1:40:22
  Unknown: Yep. He's the one. That would be Marco Rubio
• 1:40:26
  Unknown: right now. Marco Rubio as secretary of state of The United States or the District Of Columbia. Oh, that's funny. Though they say of America behind his title right there on the document.
• 1:40:37
  Unknown: K?
• 1:40:38
  So he's got all those hats. Secretary of state. He's wearing all those hats. He's got the USAID
• 1:40:45
  hat on too. He's got a couple other things they've loaded on him. He's got the attorney or the secretary of state when he wears them all.
• 1:40:54
  It depends on how you're addressing them as to which hat he's gonna to put on to address you back.
• 1:41:01
  Unknown: Tiny hat.
• 1:41:03
  Unknown: You know what? I got so confused
• 1:41:06
  when Roger said Rubio earlier,
• 1:41:09
  and I forgot that Rubio was the secretary of state.
• 1:41:14
  Yeah. And it's not has some post here in Florida. So I got it all mixed up. But, yes, you're you're right. He is way, way up. And so that's federal,
• 1:41:24
  and the attorney of state is here in Florida. The attorney general. Well, you've got a secretary of state of Florida too,
• 1:41:32
  Unknown: but he doesn't perform the same activities and duties that the federal does. They're
• 1:41:39
  more interested with incorporating
• 1:41:41
  corporations,
• 1:41:43
  making sure they've got all the fees you owe them, and whatever else their duties are, but they don't get infringed
• 1:41:50
  at the state level over here in the attorney general's legal business.
• 1:41:55
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:41:56
  Unknown: Well, you guys have been wonderful. You answered all my questions. That's so awesome. How about that? Well, guess hope you probably one and a half hours.
• 1:42:06
  Unknown: Well, that's right. Well and we like it, you know, because it fills up the time here. And you notice, I you you don't hear a whole bunch of people hanging up and going away.
• 1:42:16
  They're they are staying even though they've heard most of this stuff over and over and over and over again. When they hear it this time, they very well may have grown into the information and have a different perspective.
• 1:42:28
  So it's just you got to make if you really wanna be free,
• 1:42:33
  Micah, and I I I feel like you do. Okay? If you really wanna be free, the better you can have command of this information
• 1:42:42
  or put differently,
• 1:42:43
  the more you can make this information a part of you,
• 1:42:47
  the freer you are.
• 1:42:49
  Because when you make this information
• 1:42:51
  part of you, they can't beat you.
• 1:42:56
  Unknown: Got you. It's William. I got another comment.
• 1:42:59
  Unknown: Okay, William. Please.
• 1:43:02
  Unknown: So
• 1:43:03
  we were talking about United States earlier, and if you look that up in the Black Laws Dictionary,
• 1:43:07
  it points you to a supreme court case called Hooven v. Abbott Company.
• 1:43:13
  Unknown: Allison? Hooven v. Allison?
• 1:43:16
  Unknown: Yeah. That's it. Yeah.
• 1:43:18
  And that case was
• 1:43:21
  there was a company in that was exporting fibers from The Philippines when it was a territory,
• 1:43:26
  And they were trying to charge import taxes
• 1:43:30
  in Ohio when it got there.
• 1:43:34
  And so the the question was, what is The United States?
• 1:43:37
  What does that term mean?
• 1:43:39
  And the Supreme Court says it can mean three things.
• 1:43:43
  It can mean a sovereign among sovereigns in international community
• 1:43:47
  as a nation.
• 1:43:48
  It can mean the collective 50 states.
• 1:43:54
  And then I'm trying to remember what the third one was. It was
• 1:43:58
  anyways, that's where that's where your three definitions are. And the equivocation
• 1:44:02
  is that they're
• 1:44:04
  they're equivocate oh, the the most important one.
• 1:44:08
  It's the territory that The United States
• 1:44:11
  has jurisdiction over. So the District of Columbia and the territories.
• 1:44:15
  So
• 1:44:17
  the the question is comes to equivocation.
• 1:44:20
  What which United States do they mean when they say United States?
• 1:44:24
  Are they talking about the District of Columbia
• 1:44:27
  and and the territories? Are they talking about the collective 50 states?
• 1:44:31
  Are they talking about the nation internationally on the international stage?
• 1:44:36
  And that's that equivocation where they go, oh, well, this is United States, and they they're me they mean
• 1:44:42
  you think they mean the 50
• 1:44:44
  states of the union collectively.
• 1:44:46
  They mean
• 1:44:48
  that it's the District Of Columbia and the territories.
• 1:44:51
  And so when you say you're a US citizen,
• 1:44:54
  you're saying that you're a citizen of the 50 states
• 1:44:57
  collectively.
• 1:44:59
  And they say, no. We we you know, they don't tell you this, but they said they're meaning
• 1:45:04
  the District Of Columbia and the territories.
• 1:45:07
  And that's that equivocation,
• 1:45:08
  and that's where they're Yep. That's where the confusion comes in.
• 1:45:12
  And then You have permanent allegiance to The United States. Which United States are you talking about?
• 1:45:18
  You know, are you talking about the district of Columbia and the territories? Are you talking about the 50 states?
• 1:45:23
  And that's where we get into this argument about, you know, US national versus
• 1:45:27
  national and all that.
• 1:45:30
  Unknown: And exactly what Sherry was saying a minute ago is the old who was the guy? Voltaire?
• 1:45:36
  Voltaire? Yeah. Voltaire said before we discuss,
• 1:45:40
  let us define our terms. Voltaire knew what was going on here. They were pulled the same crap back then. That's why he said that. Go ahead, William. There's an there's another important case, which is White v Texas,
• 1:45:52
  Unknown: and that was after the civil war over Texas,
• 1:45:56
  you know, being independent.
• 1:45:58
  And that was the definition of state. So there's two definitions of state,
• 1:46:04
  of capital s state. So a cap capital s state can be
• 1:46:09
  the government
• 1:46:10
  and the people together
• 1:46:13
  under a constitution.
• 1:46:16
  That can be a a state, a capital s state. But a state can also be
• 1:46:21
  the people themselves
• 1:46:23
  collectively.
• 1:46:25
  They get protection under the constitution of The United States Of America.
• 1:46:29
  So, you know, when you're talking about permanent allegiance to a state versus a capital s state, or which state are you talking about? You know? So we get into this equivocation again.
• 1:46:42
  So that the terms can have different meanings,
• 1:46:45
  to the same terms, and that's where the equivocation comes in.
• 1:46:50
  That's all I wanted to say. Amit? Amit?
• 1:46:53
  Unknown: I just wanna mention William Hold on. Julie's
• 1:46:57
  first.
• 1:46:59
  Unknown: Julie's first. Go ahead, Julie. That's okay. Samuel can go before me.
• 1:47:03
  Unknown: I'm with Julie. William, check.
• 1:47:07
  Unknown: William,
• 1:47:08
  William,
• 1:47:10
  Unknown: check the chat. Julie?
• 1:47:12
  Unknown: Yeah. All I wanna say is William's correct about the cases. But if you go to title 26,
• 1:47:18
  which is The United States code for the IRS,
• 1:47:23
  it specifically
• 1:47:24
  does not define
• 1:47:26
  states in there. So I go by that. And
• 1:47:30
  even
• 1:47:31
  on Freedom Law School,
• 1:47:35
  Paymon McAhade shows a court case where
• 1:47:39
  the IRS lost
• 1:47:41
  because the
• 1:47:44
  defendant was basically stating, you can't just say that states means the 50 states because you don't define it in here. And that's exactly what the IRS did. They ruled in the defendant's favor. And I can't remember the name of the case because it wasn't defined.
• 1:47:59
  And the IRS said, If it's not defined in the definitions, then you cannot just impute a definition and say, It means this. So they only define
• 1:48:07
  state, and they capitalize state. And state is defined as the District of Columbia.
• 1:48:13
  United States is defined as the District of Columbia. So for me, when I read the Internal Revenue Code,
• 1:48:20
  states is not defined. So it does not mean those 50 states. It means the District Of Columbia, I yield.
• 1:48:27
  Unknown: Project Yeah. So they spell it out. Yep. Yep. Yep. You can also verify that by going back to the fifties and looking at where when Alaska and Hawaii became states,
• 1:48:39
  they pulled them out of the definition.
• 1:48:41
  K. Go whereas William, couple people wanna say something.
• 1:48:46
  William, go ahead. Roger. Yep. Yeah. If if they specifically Where is Merca? You know, state where the definition second, Merca. Alright. Go ahead. We're gonna do William. We're gonna say hello to Merca. Go ahead, William.
• 1:48:57
  Unknown: No. I was just saying if they if they specifically define the state in that section of the title. So, like, for the aviation statutes, they'll say, you know, this is an airplane for the purposes
• 1:49:08
  of this chapter. So, like, every chapter has its own definition. So what a state might be
• 1:49:13
  in in chapter 26
• 1:49:15
  Unknown: might not be what a state means in title eight. So Oh, that's why they use your unresolved alien there.
• 1:49:21
  Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. And now How are you? Mirka.
• 1:49:26
  Mirka. Good morning. You finally get out of bed.
• 1:49:30
  Unknown: I no. I'm happy.
• 1:49:31
  I've been I've been making calls, important calls personal and, like, private living stuff. Well, I'll I just want you to meet Haika.
• 1:49:39
  Unknown: I want you to meet Haika.
• 1:49:42
  Heikka. Heikka.
• 1:49:44
  She's a German and naturalized
• 1:49:47
  from East Germany. And
• 1:49:49
  and we were telling her about your Telegram channel earlier. So when you receive a message from her, will you please okay her and let her into the group? Yep. Yep. Just reach
• 1:50:00
  Unknown: to out to me, like Julie said,
• 1:50:03
  the the direct message, or you can do National Status Freedom,
• 1:50:07
  and you'll find that too. National Status Freedom, three different words.
• 1:50:11
  And you'll it'll be me answering or sending you a direct message from it too.
• 1:50:17
  Just wanted to Cool. Share,
• 1:50:19
  Roger,
• 1:50:20
  you know how,
• 1:50:22
  Rob Bonta responds
• 1:50:24
  me that letter
• 1:50:26
  that I'm a private individual and they respect their citizens and
• 1:50:29
  the private individual. So,
• 1:50:31
  we are,
• 1:50:33
  known as a private individual in the private compared to The U. S. Persons
• 1:50:40
  in the public.
• 1:50:41
  So there's the difference. And United States is a corporation,
• 1:50:46
  a municipal tool of District of Columbia. So, we do not want to use
• 1:50:51
  that as
• 1:50:53
  our label, but we can use their codes against
• 1:50:56
  them when we're responding to them with our notices.
• 1:50:59
  Yep. The codes help us fight them and defend ourselves.
• 1:51:04
  But we do not use U. S. National because The U. S. National is an American Samoan,
• 1:51:11
  as defined on Definition
• 1:51:13
  22 in 11,
• 1:51:16
  Title VIII, Section
• 1:51:18
  eleven-one-twenty
• 1:51:20
  two.
• 1:51:21
  So we have to be careful using those words, but I'll
• 1:51:25
  help Haika learn about when
• 1:51:28
  we chat, and there's a lot to cover, so welcome.
• 1:51:32
  Unknown: Yeah. Thank you. Brother. Appreciate it.
• 1:51:35
  Unknown: Okay. You're welcome. Somebody else had something they wanna say real quick?
• 1:51:40
  No?
• 1:51:41
  Well, girl, do you see all the you see what you stirred up today here? Okay. We're glad you're here. Yeah. It was fun. Came forward. It's yeah. Well, it is fun. Hey, Roger. Get with these people, and this is not something you can find you can't find a place to discuss these issues anywhere else but here. Now I want you to hear from my old friend Brent who's out in Las Vegas. Mister Brent Bachman, you got something for Haika Bay?
• 1:52:08
  Brent, wasn't that you?
• 1:52:12
  Unknown: This is this can you hear me? I hear you now. Okay. I thought you were my buddy Brent. Well, it wasn't. Well, we're Hey. Roger, I'm Matt. I've I've been sitting there listening.
• 1:52:22
  So Okay. What's your couple of quick questions.
• 1:52:25
  Unknown: Well Alright. We'll deal with them. Matt. Okay, Matt. Where are you, and how'd you find us? You've been listening for a while. What's your story?
• 1:52:34
  Unknown: Yes, sir. I've, I've I've listened to you and seen several of your interviews and stuff through the years and everything. And recently, I decided to, you know send all my information in. I've I've done pretty much basically what you have
• 1:52:48
  on your website. So I sent it to Rubio.
• 1:52:52
  And I've also sent it to the IRS.
• 1:52:55
  And and Okay. Right now,
• 1:52:58
  I guess my question is is I had received a lock in letter or my company did, right, from the IRS,
• 1:53:05
  and
• 1:53:06
  it was from the Lock in your staff. Massachusetts.
• 1:53:10
  That's right. It's a Massachusetts
• 1:53:14
  collection.
• 1:53:15
  RS collection place. So, I sent them. Once I got my my return slip back from Rubio,
• 1:53:23
  I sent my stuff to the IRS and I sent my stuff to this collection
• 1:53:28
  and basically, what they sent me
• 1:53:31
  was
• 1:53:32
  we determine the information you supply does not support a change to our withholding instructions given to your employer listed below.
• 1:53:39
  So they didn't I guess they didn't accept
• 1:53:43
  the
• 1:53:44
  Unknown: This is your employer.
• 1:53:46
  This is your employer? The IRS wrote them that.
• 1:53:49
  Unknown: This this the IRS wrote
• 1:53:52
  me back this once I sent them in. Oh, it said The affidavit
• 1:53:56
  and everything. Alright.
• 1:53:57
  Unknown: Well, this is a subsidiary.
• 1:53:59
  Unknown: This is not the main office.
• 1:54:02
  Unknown: Okay. We've seen that happen with a couple of other people here as of late mainly.
• 1:54:08
  And if they refuse to budge,
• 1:54:10
  what you do is next year when it comes time to file,
• 1:54:14
  you go to file a $10.40
• 1:54:16
  NR
• 1:54:17
  and get that money back.
• 1:54:20
  Unknown: I got So let me ask you this. I I didn't Yes, do my pass renew my passport.
• 1:54:27
  I just done
• 1:54:28
  the affidavit.
• 1:54:30
  Unknown: Okay. And then do I need to renew my passport? Well, I'd when I checked the state department records, they you may show up as your old one because you haven't gotten a new one. You've got an existing passport, Matt?
• 1:54:44
  You comment? Yes, sir. I do. Oh, hold on, please. Please. How many years is left in it?
• 1:54:51
  Unknown: About a year.
• 1:54:53
  Unknown: Oh, wait. Do do you travel internationally?
• 1:54:58
  Unknown: No. I've never even used it.
• 1:55:00
  Unknown: Okay. Well, there's a good example. Then why don't you go and renew it
• 1:55:05
  and just order a card
• 1:55:07
  and include the affidavit in that submission?
• 1:55:12
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:55:13
  Okay. And that's why I guess my question was is how how should I how should I go forward
• 1:55:19
  from where I'm standing right now, basically?
• 1:55:22
  Unknown: Go ahead and get his passport in. No. No. No. I'm her.
• 1:55:25
  Unknown: Oh, yeah. You are.
• 1:55:27
  Unknown: Go get your passport first, then you'll have that established totally with the secretary of state.
• 1:55:33
  And then what I would say weaponized.
• 1:55:36
  Are you are you in Massachusetts?
• 1:55:39
  Or so you don't sound like a Massachusetts guy.
• 1:55:43
  Unknown: No, sir. I'm from Northeast Louisiana. I'm I'm currently working in Memphis, so I'm in Memphis. Are you in Monroe?
• 1:55:49
  Unknown: Monroe?
• 1:55:51
  Close to Monroe. Yes, sir. Up Union Parish up North of Monroe. Well, I went to I went to LSU, so I know a little bit about Louisiana. Okay? Yeah. Yep. You ever heard of Starlington?
• 1:56:03
  Starlington?
• 1:56:05
  Unknown: Darlington, Bastrop.
• 1:56:08
  Unknown: Oh, Bastrop, of course.
• 1:56:11
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, Bastrop's down a little bit North Of Sterlington.
• 1:56:14
  Unknown: I guess I would have a Sterlington address. Okay. You got a great set of pipes, buddy. I'll tell you that. The next thing you're gonna wanna do is you're gonna wanna notify the Louisiana people. We got some other Louisiana guys, but they're down there in the boot.
• 1:56:29
  And,
• 1:56:31
  just go through the same routine I was talking to Haika about, the attorney general,
• 1:56:35
  your local sheriff,
• 1:56:37
  your local chief of police, your local district attorney,
• 1:56:40
  or who prosecuting attorney, whoever dockets cases.
• 1:56:43
  And for both of you, this is the reason
• 1:56:46
  for all this. And there's a little bit more detail I didn't add
• 1:56:51
  with HICA because we're covering so much.
• 1:56:54
  But, like, at the top of this letter to the state, weaponizing.
• 1:56:58
  And you're gonna say, at the top of big legal legal lawful notice,
• 1:57:04
  and then underneath that, you're gonna write a sentence.
• 1:57:07
  Notice to the principal
• 1:57:09
  is notice to the agent.
• 1:57:11
  Notice to the agent
• 1:57:13
  is notice to the principal.
• 1:57:15
  Now that statement comes out of agency
• 1:57:18
  laws,
• 1:57:19
  and that's what we're dealing with federal. That's what the deep state is agencies.
• 1:57:24
  Okay? And they got federal and you got state. And so what you're doing is telling him that as you identify,
• 1:57:31
  because he's the head law guy,
• 1:57:33
  and you're gonna put your chief of police and your sheriff and the the DA there,
• 1:57:38
  you're telling them, let let's say, Matt, that they pull you over. This is hypothetical.
• 1:57:44
  Okay? They pull you over and write you a ticket after they've been sent this notice.
• 1:57:49
  Well, then they're acting outside of their delegated responsibilities
• 1:57:53
  because their duties
• 1:57:54
  only include certain parameters.
• 1:57:57
  They can't go out and yank a citizen of France out and do all that stuff to him. Okay?
• 1:58:03
  So you're off limits to them too. And if they proceed down those paths,
• 1:58:09
  they lose their cloak of immunity.
• 1:58:12
  So theoretically,
• 1:58:14
  you could now this is a situation William's in over there in Georgia. He could go back and sue them individually
• 1:58:21
  because they
• 1:58:22
  didn't do act within their delegated responsibilities,
• 1:58:26
  so therefore, they lose their cloak of
• 1:58:29
  immunity
• 1:58:31
  and become personally liable.
• 1:58:35
  That's why you're doing all this right there. Roger, I got sixty seconds. So so I guess Okay. We're gonna Oh, I'm sorry. Hold on, Just hold you're sorry. It's okay. I might have waited too long.
• 1:58:46
  Unknown: No. I guess that's that's okay. We hang around.
• 1:58:48
  Unknown: Need to know what Paul wants to say here. Seize the opportunity to renew your passport. Just get a passport card.
• 1:58:56
  Send in a DS82.
• 1:58:59
  You can do that by mail and include a copy of your affidavit with that. Once you get your passport card back
• 1:59:07
  that is attached to your national
• 1:59:10
  status not a citizen of The United States,
• 1:59:14
  then you take that information,
• 1:59:16
  send it to the IRS,
• 1:59:18
  Unknown: and feed it to them. Yeah. That that that's a better way to do it because now you've got the endorsement of the passport office too. They take passport fraud real seriously.
• 1:59:28
  Okay?
• 1:59:29
  And so Right. Also, when you send that package in, Matt, hold on. You've seen that package in. You've gotta include your passport that you've got now. They'll send it back to you under separate cover, but you're gonna have to include that too. We got all the answers pretty much, folks. Come join us. We'll be back tomorrow with Brent. See you. Ciao. Okay.
• 1:59:49
  That's the end of the show.
• 1:59:51
  Hold on. I got Brent. I got Julie. I got Matt. I I I don't even know who all know. You thought Matt was Brent. It was Matt from the Okay. Well, you got those pipes, man. You think he's Brent too.
• 2:00:05
  Okay.
• 2:00:06
  Julie.
• 2:00:08
  Unknown: Yeah. I just wanna respond to Matt. Matt, how long ago did you receive the IRS lock in letter?
• 2:00:15
  Unknown: The lock in letter, I've had it for for a while, probably
• 2:00:21
  Unknown: six months, something Yeah. Like you should have responded within thirty
• 2:00:25
  days to
• 2:00:27
  avoid the mandatory withholding adjustments because you do
• 2:00:31
  have the right to contact the withholding compliance unit at the IRS and to
• 2:00:37
  provide documentation
• 2:00:39
  that you are a non resident alien and that they made a mistake.
• 2:00:44
  So because you didn't do that
• 2:00:49
  and you missed the thirty day deadline let me see if there's another option for you here.
• 2:00:58
  Unfortunately,
• 2:01:00
  your employer is legally required to
• 2:01:04
  implement the IRS's withholding rate, which is zero or single
• 2:01:09
  with zero allowances.
• 2:01:12
  And you're going to have to
• 2:01:15
  you
• 2:01:16
  can still contact the IRS withholding compliance unit after the deadline.
• 2:01:23
  They might not process your request for a modification,
• 2:01:26
  but you could do that. You could contact them and say, hey, I
• 2:01:32
  didn't realize that I only had thirty days to respond to you and I want to appeal this decision because I'm a nonresident alien
• 2:01:41
  and do it that way. And if you can't do it that way, you can do it the way Roger said, file a ten forty n r and ten forty x and get your get the withholdings back. No. No.
• 2:01:52
  Unknown: Actually, I cut the Can I say something about that?
• 2:01:55
  Hello?
• 2:01:57
  Can I can I just say something about that? I guess so. Go ahead,
• 2:02:01
  Unknown: Joe.
• 2:02:05
  Unknown: He could just do an abatement on that whole process and be like, hey. We have to abate these because this wasn't
• 2:02:11
  yeah.
• 2:02:12
  Unknown: Hey, Joe.
• 2:02:14
  Matt
• 2:02:15
  Hey. How's going? Matt, listen listen to this guy. Go ahead, Joe.
• 2:02:20
  Unknown: I I was just saying, I was thinking, why don't he just do an abatement and say we have to abate this and start start the process over again because he was never properly serviced on the on this
• 2:02:30
  initially? Since he never responded, they can't prove that they actually served him properly and that he never got formal notice. So he could write to them saying to abate the lock in letter and all this other stuff that they're doing with him and say, let's restart this from the beginning, and then they have to restart it anew.
• 2:02:46
  Unknown: You know? That's good. I didn't know that.
• 2:02:49
  Unknown: So there's another suggestion. Well, I mean, they're not they're they're giving me even in the letters here, they're giving me contact. They said, like, give me a phone number or email and all this stuff where I can contact them. But I, you know, I was just going off of what it says. It says, hey. We determined because I sent what I sent them was basically
• 2:03:06
  the letter says notice agent is noticed. Principal, no sprints, those eight. The same thing I sent to IRS.
• 2:03:13
  Unknown: Okay. Well, that's not the one you said. Yeah.
• 2:03:17
  Unknown: I sent it to the main IRS
• 2:03:20
  too and I sent it to this subsidiary
• 2:03:22
  just trying to speed it up because they're taking a thousand dollars a week on my check.
• 2:03:26
  Unknown: That's a lot. So one one thing I would do is do the abatement and then resend them your either your affidavit
• 2:03:33
  or whatever you sent them originally saying that you're a nonresident alien.
• 2:03:36
  I just say, abate the you know, abate this process. If you want if you need to start it over again, go ahead and start it over from the beginning, but that means they have to stop doing the they have to they have to unfreeze the funds that they're taking out of your paycheck
• 2:03:50
  And while they go back and
• 2:03:51
  process over again.
• 2:03:53
  Unknown: I'd say it's worth a try, man. I've never heard of approaching it that way, but it's worth a try. You you know, here's part of your thought. Look. I'm not an attorney. I'm not held to these high standards. I didn't realize I had to apply back in thirty days, but I'm applying back now,
• 2:04:09
  and and they have to put that in your record. See? They might not have to authorize it, but it's gotta be in your administrative file.
• 2:04:17
  Unknown: So we get into And the reason I sent to him because I was just
• 2:04:21
  I was trying to speed things up. They are? Instead of having it work through. Oh. You know, and I just told him, hey. Would you please contact my employer?
• 2:04:28
  Here's my citizenship evidence.
• 2:04:30
  Would you please contact my employer and have them,
• 2:04:33
  you know, put it back to to nothing, you know, exempt.
• 2:04:39
  Unknown: Okay. Don't know what kind of employer
• 2:04:42
  Unknown: you have,
• 2:04:44
  but your documents
• 2:04:45
  are processed
• 2:04:47
  by what you provide.
• 2:04:49
  Your w four,
• 2:04:51
  when's the last time you filled that out?
• 2:04:54
  And the IRS is gonna do that for you?
• 2:04:57
  Not an abatement process.
• 2:05:00
  It's a matter of saying, who controls my money?
• 2:05:05
  Unknown: And what do I have to say about that?
• 2:05:09
  Unknown: Seriously. So they It's that's They instructed my employer not to accept anything
• 2:05:14
  Unknown: less That you gave zero
• 2:05:17
  Unknown: at a higher rate
• 2:05:18
  and Okay.
• 2:05:20
  I mean, you know, file zero with a higher rate.
• 2:05:23
  Unknown: Yes. And you know your employer is gonna listen to them.
• 2:05:27
  Your your employer is gonna listen to them because they're more scared of the IRS
• 2:05:32
  than they are of you. You're exactly right.
• 2:05:34
  Unknown: Exactly.
• 2:05:35
  Disagree
• 2:05:36
  with that. What'd you say, Joe, please?
• 2:05:40
  Unknown: No. I'm saying, like, the 26 US code thirty four zero one defines employee as someone who works for the state or federal government. That w four form does not apply to you. It doesn't apply to you. You're not supposed to be using that form, period. That's the wrong form and that's part of your abatement letter is write to them and say, Hey, I'm not an employee. I'm not involved in The US trade or business under 26 US Code 7,701
• 2:06:04
  US trade or business. The trade of business which is the performance
• 2:06:07
  of the public office. Right? Performing the functions of the public office.
• 2:06:11
  Right? That that doesn't apply to you either because you don't work for the government. Trade of business
• 2:06:15
  has to be in DC,
• 2:06:17
  has to be in federal territory. Right? Employee has to work for state or federal government.
• 2:06:22
  None of those those two things do not apply to you. You're not an employee, per their definition. You're not operating in The United States, per their definition. You're not involved in a straight or business, per their definition.
• 2:06:32
  That's part of your abatement letter. You send that in and say, hey. Look. I think we have a misunderstanding here. I'm not doing any of those things. My status with you guys is in accordance with 26
• 2:06:42
  CFR 1.1 dash one, so I'm a nonresident alien. I will absolutely indeed pay any of those taxes that
• 2:06:49
  are duly owed under in accordance with 26 US code
• 2:06:54
  eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b.
• 2:06:57
  That's it.
• 2:07:00
  But outside of that, I have no tax obligation.
• 2:07:03
  Unknown: You you're gonna have to go back to the IRS and do something. Whichever way you choose to go, I I like this abatement thing. But you're not a lawyer. Right. You aren't held to these high standards.
• 2:07:14
  You're off trying to earn a living this and the other, and we need to start this again because this decision,
• 2:07:20
  I don't consider correct.
• 2:07:23
  Unknown: Roger? I didn't state your plans. Yeah.
• 2:07:26
  Unknown: There's Julie. She's got something to add. Yes, Julie. I would also
• 2:07:30
  Unknown: I would also put at the top of your letter back to them not to be considered a filing because the IRS is going after people these days for frivolous filings.
• 2:07:39
  And I would also add
• 2:07:41
  a
• 2:07:42
  wording in there that Mark May told us to add. It
• 2:07:47
  has always been my intent to pay all constitutional taxes.
• 2:07:51
  That way they can't come back to you with a 5,000
• 2:07:54
  Unknown: frivolous filing penalty. Okay. Good idea. You mentioned a minute ago that you put the agency disclaimer at the top of the IRS letter,
• 2:08:02
  and that's not it only goes to the states.
• 2:08:05
  K? What you put in Well, maybe I did it. Maybe I Well, you probably did it correctly. I'm trying to clarify this for the audience. It's something we generally I gotcha. Neglect or forget to specify.
• 2:08:17
  So at both of them, you put lawful legal notice, capital letters, bold,
• 2:08:22
  whatever.
• 2:08:23
  Underneath the state letters, you use that agency
• 2:08:27
  disclaimer
• 2:08:28
  or statement.
• 2:08:29
  Underneath the IRS only,
• 2:08:32
  you put not to be considered
• 2:08:34
  or construed
• 2:08:36
  or whatever word you wanna use as a filing,
• 2:08:40
  because we don't want this ain't a filing.
• 2:08:43
  It's a statement of my political status
• 2:08:46
  that hears
• 2:08:48
  and reflects my taxation
• 2:08:50
  condition.
• 2:08:51
  K? And that's your area? Yeah. And that's what this
• 2:08:56
  Unknown: Yeah. I've heard you say that people had got back, like, a $1,500
• 2:09:00
  Unknown: or something fine for filing a false file or something by not Well, none of none of none of us ever have to my knowledge. They threatened. Right. That's where that statement comes from when they threatened it to Shane years ago. Okay? And we've never had one attached to us,
• 2:09:19
  but others have.
• 2:09:21
  I got three of them thirty years ago. They were only $500
• 2:09:25
  back then, Matt. They're 5,000 now. I gotcha. 5,000. So that's what we're trying to do is cut that off of the pass right at the notice, right at the top of the page.
• 2:09:38
  Unknown: I gotcha.
• 2:09:39
  So you think passport then do the abatement
• 2:09:43
  Unknown: would be the way to go? Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe both at the same time. It might be well, I don't they'll probably get your passport card back pretty quick.
• 2:09:52
  And and that would be something that might be good to use in whatever you submit to the IRS
• 2:09:59
  to try and get this started again. Come in.
• 2:10:02
  Okay. Because now they've issued you a passport on it.
• 2:10:06
  Unknown: Yeah. Because I sent the return receipt from,
• 2:10:09
  where I sent a certified letter to the Department of State to Brivio Yeah.
• 2:10:15
  With that
• 2:10:17
  affidavit
• 2:10:18
  to the collection
• 2:10:20
  our collections in Massachusetts with my for my evidence or whatever.
• 2:10:25
  Unknown: And Okay. Basically, let's go back. Would you please contact my employer and go back? Yeah. Well, let's go. You're you're past that and you got a rest of this year to hopefully get this straightened out.
• 2:10:36
  So let's go back and get this passport,
• 2:10:39
  with your affidavit attached so that it identifies you in the deepest of their records at state as properly as a national.
• 2:10:47
  Then we use that passport number in going back to the IRS. I've got further proof right here. This isn't just a copy. They issued me a passport on it. Go ahead, Paul.
• 2:11:01
  Unknown: Do you still have a copy of the original affidavit you sent the IRS?
• 2:11:07
  Unknown: I do. Yes.
• 2:11:08
  Unknown: Good. Good. Okay. What you need to do is you take that copy of that affidavit.
• 2:11:14
  Right,
• 2:11:15
  and that is the affidavit you send to the Secretary of State when you renew your passport.
• 2:11:22
  Yep. Just make sure that there is continuity of documentation
• 2:11:27
  so when you go after the IRS,
• 2:11:29
  you're not doing a
• 2:11:31
  recently created affidavit
• 2:11:33
  with a reasonably
• 2:11:35
  recently
• 2:11:36
  obtained
• 2:11:37
  passport
• 2:11:38
  to correct an issue that has been alive for six months.
• 2:11:43
  Use
• 2:11:44
  the original
• 2:11:46
  affidavit you sent,
• 2:11:48
  and then, like I said before,
• 2:11:51
  feed it to them. Do the abatement process
• 2:11:55
  after you have that evidence.
• 2:11:58
  Unknown: Okay. So, Matt, we know what step two here is just for you to apply for a passport card. Right? Use a DS82.
• 2:12:06
  That's correct. You don't have to go get it signed in front of anybody. You don't have to include a birth certificate.
• 2:12:11
  You can put it in the mail yourself,
• 2:12:13
  and you will have to include your passport book in that package. They'll mail it back to you immediately. K?
• 2:12:24
  And then
• 2:12:26
  well, there's Brent. No one well, let's have both of you talk at the same time. You sound so much alike.
• 2:12:31
  Brent?
• 2:12:32
  What part of what part of Massachusetts
• 2:12:35
  did you live in?
• 2:12:37
  Unknown: None.
• 2:12:38
  It's a r r s collection,
• 2:12:41
  and they're
• 2:12:42
  3 Lowell Street,
• 2:12:45
  Andover.
• 2:12:47
  Okay.
• 2:12:47
  This is He's a had their Brent, he's Louisiana. So the company I work for. Over there in Louisiana. So go ahead, man. The company you work for? Yeah. The company, yeah, the company I work for is from up north. So
• 2:13:00
  I figured that's that probably part of their area that they watch over.
• 2:13:05
  Unknown: Yeah. Okay.
• 2:13:06
  Unknown: I didn't get anything back from the main RIS.
• 2:13:11
  Unknown: I was a low life
• 2:13:13
  for a while
• 2:13:14
  before I went to Georgia.
• 2:13:16
  I yield I
• 2:13:18
  think.
• 2:13:19
  Thank you, Brent. Boy, I'd love to have you two in a duet together. Holy smokes.
• 2:13:25
  Okay. Matt, do we get you temporarily satisfied? We could come back tomorrow,
• 2:13:29
  but we got Brent tomorrow. And so we if you wanna further explore this, you'd probably come visit with us Saturday. Okay?
• 2:13:38
  Unknown: That'll work perfectly.
• 2:13:40
  Alright. I'll get my passport stuff filed and all that and maybe start working on my abatement letter. And then Okay.
• 2:13:47
  We might kinda hash some of that out.
• 2:13:49
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, you can let you got a little bit of time. They won't they deliver books back real quick within two weeks. The cards may take a week or more. So you got a little lead time for you here on that. Okay?
• 2:14:03
  Unknown: Yes, sir.
• 2:14:04
  Unknown: Well, I thank y'all. Hey. Nice to meet you. Hey, Rodney. Nice to meet you, man. Yes. Let's see. That is Doug. Isn't that Doug?
• 2:14:12
  Unknown: Doug.
• 2:14:12
  Yeah. Spelled d u g over here in Arkansas. He
• 2:14:17
  Unknown: He's he's up there north of you just a little bit to the West around,
• 2:14:22
  around Fayetteville.
• 2:14:23
  Go ahead, Doug.
• 2:14:25
  Unknown: Yeah. I have to tell people no. There's a no in there. They they write d u g for Doug.
• 2:14:31
  Anyway,
• 2:14:33
  I just wanted to bring oh, by the way, yeah, Brent and Brent there with Murrah stuck in, they could do a nice little
• 2:14:41
  thing big.
• 2:14:43
  Unknown: And then Murr comes in. No. Joan. No. We want Joan and Murr. Him and who knows too. Okay.
• 2:14:50
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:14:51
  Anyway,
• 2:14:52
  I just wanted to
• 2:14:55
  I just wanted to bring up
• 2:14:57
  I'm not sure how long after
• 2:15:00
  the close of the noon hour show
• 2:15:03
  the transcription
• 2:15:04
  goes,
• 2:15:05
  but for
• 2:15:07
  Heiko and
• 2:15:09
  Matt there,
• 2:15:11
  if it's still running,
• 2:15:13
  that's available,
• 2:15:15
  which I just consider to be a great resource
• 2:15:19
  It is. To
• 2:15:21
  Unknown: go back and revisit the dialogue. Yep. We we we we thank Paul for that. Because you can go and go back and listen to it. That's why I I was listening to hike of the Not
• 2:15:33
  Unknown: only that, AI will give you a whole transcript on it.
• 2:15:38
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:15:40
  Unknown: Pretty cool. That pretty cool. Good
• 2:15:42
  Unknown: little A good application of AI finally. Go ahead, Doug.
• 2:15:47
  Unknown: Well, that was it. That was it. My little Okay. Con contribution
• 2:15:52
  today. Alright. A great show. From Yeah. It's it's hot and heavy. I'll tell you, man. You talk about being in the trenches.
• 2:16:00
  Yeah.
• 2:16:01
  Talking about Massachusetts.
• 2:16:04
  Yeah. You know? I I growing up in Massachusetts,
• 2:16:07
  I know how to actually say
• 2:16:09
  Unknown: state. You know, you probably know how to spell it.
• 2:16:14
  Unknown: Yeah. I can spell it too.
• 2:16:16
  Yeah. Cool.
• 2:16:18
  Cool.
• 2:16:20
  Unknown: Oh, that's good to hear from you, Doug. Okay, man. You keep them tied down there in Fayetteville.
• 2:16:25
  Who else got something for Roger? We got new people. We got Haika. Where did Matt come back and spend more time with us. And I same with Matt and when you can. Just love the new folks. So nice to meet both of you. Welcome. All that stuff. What do you got for him, Sketch?
• 2:16:42
  Where did Matt find us? That that that was I don't think he answered. No. He said well, he said he'd been listening to me for years off and on.
• 2:16:51
  Unknown: Yeah, different podcasts and just different things. I just I've
• 2:16:56
  looked into several different revenues and I've even heard Roger say, sometimes you can show people this evidence. It just takes a little while. They gotta process it and when there's time for, you know, when they feel like it's the right time, that's when they actually do something and you know, I've looked into it and I looked into all the trust stuff and everything else and I've always felt like Roger's information
• 2:17:19
  had a lot of back into it to where it seemed like, you know, it's it's super simple and
• 2:17:25
  legitimate.
• 2:17:26
  You know, it's a it's a way out
• 2:17:29
  of all the wordsmith stuff that goes on on a daily basis. I just never did apply it.
• 2:17:35
  Yeah. So
• 2:17:36
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, you just like I say, you plant seeds. See, we planted some seeds with Matt years ago.
• 2:17:43
  It gets around to,
• 2:17:45
  that that amount of withholding a week. I'd be interested to get that back too or a month, whatever that is.
• 2:17:51
  But, Matt, we're glad to have stop doing it, I'd be happy.
• 2:17:55
  Yeah.
• 2:17:56
  And and it's a great example for the other people where we get anxious, and it's very rare when somebody reacts immediately to this, I found.
• 2:18:05
  Mostly, it's people like your situation. They've heard it. They didn't believe it. They heard it again. They got a little more confidence. They started seeing some of these principles.
• 2:18:15
  Like, hey. What set of laws you wanna live under is your choice, Matt. Not theirs. If it's theirs, they're they're tyrants.
• 2:18:23
  So it gets down to very simple principles
• 2:18:26
  that are damn profound.
• 2:18:27
  Okay?
• 2:18:29
  Unknown: Yes. Another principle, Roger, if you don't mind me bringing forward,
• 2:18:35
  is the difference between
• 2:18:37
  volunteerism
• 2:18:39
  and compelled.
• 2:18:42
  And that would be yes.
• 2:18:45
  And see, we volunteer too much
• 2:18:50
  and including on your w four.
• 2:18:53
  Make it a compelled document,
• 2:18:56
  and
• 2:18:57
  it changes everything.
• 2:19:01
  It surely does.
• 2:19:02
  Unknown: Yep. So compelled
• 2:19:04
  is, oh, Sherry, you gotta take this COVID shot,
• 2:19:09
  but I don't want to. It's gotta be voluntary.
• 2:19:12
  Well, your voluntary choice is, do you want a job or not? That's compelled.
• 2:19:17
  Right.
• 2:19:19
  Unknown: Right?
• 2:19:20
  Unknown: So
• 2:19:21
  Y'all don't want being made to do something.
• 2:19:24
  Unknown: Yeah. Exactly. Well, I was just gonna say at the bottom of your w four, you say only
• 2:19:31
  submitting
• 2:19:32
  an order to be paid,
• 2:19:34
  and that changes it to a compelled
• 2:19:38
  document.
• 2:19:39
  Unknown: Okay. See, I don't I don't I've never heard that before that I remember.
• 2:19:44
  What's the verdict Well, I brought it forward.
• 2:19:48
  Unknown: Uh-huh. I brought it forward, and that's how my husband and I stepped out of the IRS on 04/01/2001.
• 2:19:57
  Only
• 2:19:58
  submitting
• 2:19:59
  in order to be paid.
• 2:20:06
  Unknown: So Okay. Well, that's new information to me. Good, Sherry. K.
• 2:20:11
  Yeah. Whoo. Been a long show. Hot and heavy. A lot of good dialogue. Two new folks. That's wonderful. Thanks, Roger.
• 2:20:18
  My focus. You're welcome, Sherry. So it kinda eats up me too. And and my brain power is it's difficult to do this or
• 2:20:27
  and be stay laser focused on all this stuff and still try and orchestrate it. So unless anybody's got something for me directly,
• 2:20:36
  I'm gonna dash out and go get something in my stomach, if that's alright.
• 2:20:41
  So does anybody have anything directly for me?
• 2:20:45
  Unknown: You enjoy, Roger.
• 2:20:47
  Unknown: Okay. Well, I'm a take off. Hey, Roger. See Matt and Micah. Both of you. Yes. Just a second. Matt, you're both This is Heikkinen.
• 2:20:56
  Yes, ma'am. I was gonna say you're in good hands if you wanna hang out. You can hang out here for hours. Go yes, ma'am? Well,
• 2:21:03
  Unknown: I just wanted to thank you for staying on all these years
• 2:21:07
  because I listened to you in 2021
• 2:21:10
  and 2022,
• 2:21:11
  and then I fell off. And now I came back, and and you were 100%
• 2:21:16
  right
• 2:21:17
  that you were planting seeds, and people will come back. And I really thank you that that you are still on the air, and I found you again. So thank you. Well, it's my life. I think it's the reason god put me on this Earth, Haika.
• 2:21:32
  Unknown: And
• 2:21:33
  so I'm gonna do it real real diligently
• 2:21:37
  with a lot of zeal, which is what I've tried to do. Sometimes, I get a little overzealous.
• 2:21:42
  Okay?
• 2:21:43
  But most of the time, I keep it, I think, within good good parameters,
• 2:21:48
  and I do the best I can. Okay? And I'm happy to have met you and happy to have this information. As I say to the audience, my hope is that this information changes your life
• 2:22:01
  half as much at least as it has mine.
• 2:22:05
  And it may be with many of you, it changes it more. I don't know.
• 2:22:09
  But,
• 2:22:10
  we're one big happy family, for the most part, and the bigger we get, the more effective we're gonna get, and the bigger we get, the scared they are of us. So send them those affidavits,
• 2:22:21
  folks.
• 2:22:23
  They can't see enough of them across their desks.
• 2:22:27
  Alright? Roger.
• 2:22:29
  I'll see y'all. Oh oh, coach Larry. Yes, sir.
• 2:22:34
  Unknown: Yeah. Just one, last comment. I wanna piggyback on something that, William said before when dealing with,
• 2:22:41
  the federal and state taxing agencies.
• 2:22:44
  You need to let them know that you're a nonresident alien.
• 2:22:47
  So in my experience, that's not enough.
• 2:22:50
  You have to make the distinction
• 2:22:52
  that you're not that you're not a nonresident alien foreign national,
• 2:22:57
  but you're a nonresident alien American national
• 2:23:00
  because most of the code is
• 2:23:03
  written for the foreigners.
• 2:23:06
  And so you have to make that distinction.
• 2:23:09
  Unknown: Yep. And you're a foreigner,
• 2:23:11
  but you're not in another country. You're in the same country
• 2:23:14
  because we are repatriating.
• 2:23:17
  We're not expatriating,
• 2:23:20
  which is France. We're repatriating
• 2:23:23
  to the 50 or the however many original states.
• 2:23:26
  So that's what we're doing. You gotta use the right language. You just think a guy that saved AM radio,
• 2:23:33
  this was his mantra,
• 2:23:35
  words mean things.
• 2:23:38
  Words mean things.
• 2:23:40
  See you tomorrow with Brent. Have a wonderful day. Thanks. Been stimulating program today. I thank both of the new folks and anyone else out there listening. We love you. We want you to be free. We'll bend over backwards to help you. K?
• 2:23:53
  So, Matt, hi. Heiko, you do enjoy the rest of the forum here. They'll stay on with you for hours. K? I can't do that. See you tomorrow. Yeah. Ciao.
• 2:24:06
  Unknown: Thank you.
• 2:24:07
  Mark, are you still on there? Well,
• 2:24:10
  Unknown: hold on. Larry,
• 2:24:12
  if you define your terms, then it doesn't matter how they define you.
• 2:24:18
  Correct?
• 2:24:25
  Unknown: I'm not really sure what you're saying.
• 2:24:27
  Unknown: Well, if you define your terms, I'm just gonna say it again. It's really playing on its base.
• 2:24:35
  Or if you're gonna defend against what how they
• 2:24:40
  want to define you,
• 2:24:42
  two totally separate and distinct things.
• 2:24:45
  You define who you are with that affidavit
• 2:24:49
  and with the terms.
• 2:24:50
  Correct?
• 2:24:55
  It's really quite simple.
• 2:24:57
  Jerry. Either you define it or they do.
• 2:25:01
  Which do you choose?
• 2:25:03
  Sherry.
• 2:25:04
  I yield.
• 2:25:06
  Unknown: Sherry? No. She's right, though, about that. Like, like, on the I nine form, it has four categories for who you are in relationship to employment.
• 2:25:16
  And the first one is US citizen. The second one says noncitizen national, which we know is American smelling. Third one is resident alien. The fourth one is
• 2:25:25
  alien authorized to work for something like that. Right?
• 2:25:28
  But if you can you can sign US citizen and then just write over there what you mean by that. That's the colloquial term like, you know, article three section two definition of US
• 2:25:40
  citizen would be a citizen of a state. Right? We're part of the fourteenth amendment.
• 2:25:45
  Or you could say, you know, constitutional,
• 2:25:47
  not statutory citizen.
• 2:25:51
  And you could put it that way. Or you could do the noncitizen national, but in their instructions, they tell you that that's referring to the American Samoan
• 2:25:59
  specifically.
• 2:26:00
  That's that's what that's that's what she's saying, like something like that as an example.
• 2:26:05
  They put in this term. You redefine it to mean what you want it to mean. Now they accept it that way. They've accepted your definition, And from then on, they have to treat you in accordance with how it's defined in the contract that you have with them.
• 2:26:24
  Unknown: Joe.
• 2:26:26
  Yeah. We need to define our terms.
• 2:26:31
  Unknown: Yeah. I I I make donations.
• 2:26:34
  So that's that's what I do. I make donations. Like, someone someone has a driver's license, and they go, the driver's license says you're a US citizen, says you're a resident. Well, those are the two things you have to rebut.
• 2:26:44
  So some people are afraid to drive without a license, and I get that. So he said, well, why don't we do innovation? You just write them a letter redefining
• 2:26:53
  the terms
• 2:26:54
  around like driver,
• 2:26:56
  person,
• 2:26:57
  you know, things like that, and redefine those terms. And you send it in when you go do like your, let's say you're gonna renew your license, you send that contract in with it saying, hey, these are how the terms are gonna be defined now
• 2:27:09
  as far as my relationship with the state. I'm resident, I'm not a resident or a citizen, but I will use those terms. Resident would mean that I hang my hat here at night, but
• 2:27:21
  I don't offer it. I don't accept any privileges,
• 2:27:25
  you know, from the state in regards to residency.
• 2:27:28
  Right? Where a citizen, yes, I'm a citizen of the state, but not not a fourteenth amendment resident state citizen.
• 2:27:36
  But under the constitution under article three section two where it says citizens of a state. Alright?
• 2:27:44
  And driver
• 2:27:45
  would be a person, you know, and they have all these, you know, weird legal ramifications.
• 2:27:50
  But you have to say a person, I'm gonna reflect the presumption of being a person because a person is defined on the fourteenth amendment as someone subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
• 2:27:59
  which is the term that they're utilizing anyway on the driver's license. You have to rebut the person. Well, I'm one of the people, know, and then just let them know that your state constitution says that me as one of the people, which you don't write laws for at all anyway.
• 2:28:11
  You only write laws for
• 2:28:13
  persons,
• 2:28:14
  not people. So if you're one of the people, then they derive their authority from you. And if you're like, hey. Look. I'm your really your boss, and I'm telling you this is how it's gonna be. If you reject this contract, please cite your lawful,
• 2:28:27
  legal reason why you can reject this contract. If not, then you're gonna accept it, and that's gonna be how I'm gonna be treated on the roads.
• 2:28:37
  Unknown: Correct. We have to tell them who we are.
• 2:28:42
  Yeah.
• 2:28:43
  Oh.
• 2:28:45
  And it's just that simple.
• 2:28:48
  I I I know it sounds more simple than what I have done.
• 2:28:53
  I mean, because,
• 2:28:54
  you know, they
• 2:28:56
  have
• 2:28:58
  done some terrible things to me based on
• 2:29:02
  my signature.
• 2:29:05
  Unknown: So Oh. Anyway They get I know they get crazy about the signatures too. That's the other thing is that when you say signature,
• 2:29:14
  you're gonna sign all signatures are gonna be understood even if it's not if it's not expressly written on there. All signatures by me are gonna be done without prejudice.
• 2:29:24
  So all signatures by me are always done without prejudice
• 2:29:28
  whether or not that that line is contained in the signature or not.
• 2:29:35
  Unknown: Yeah. So that way We have to define our terms.
• 2:29:39
  That's right. Sherry,
• 2:29:41
  Unknown: I'm with you on the point of not
• 2:29:43
  using their statutes and codes because it's all for citizens.
• 2:29:47
  And I like going back to
• 2:29:49
  the original documents
• 2:29:52
  and in my opinion Well, yep. In Brose's opinion and Stamper's opinion, that's the Expatriation
• 2:29:58
  Act of 1868,
• 2:30:01
  and you start there.
• 2:30:03
  And, yes, we are expatriation
• 2:30:05
  from
• 2:30:06
  their illegal system.
• 2:30:09
  Unknown: Well, there there are other statutes and codes written for persons and residents.
• 2:30:14
  It it it doesn't mention citizens that much in there.
• 2:30:19
  You know, when you go through the code, it says buildings.
• 2:30:23
  Unknown: If you everything that's been discussed here
• 2:30:26
  is valid, and I I like what you're doing, but I just don't like their statutes and codes. Now if you read page 34 of Stamper's book,
• 2:30:35
  he goes through the expatriation
• 2:30:37
  act, what it actually means,
• 2:30:40
  what The United States is, what a territory is,
• 2:30:43
  and how they they're the foreign entity,
• 2:30:46
  the fourteenth amendment that they're talking about,
• 2:30:50
  not another country.
• 2:30:52
  And it gets picked up again in nineteen o seven.
• 2:30:55
  So it goes all the way from 1868
• 2:30:58
  to nineteen o seven. In nineteen o seven, what they say is if you
• 2:31:03
  take an oath for a foreign country,
• 2:31:06
  you've expatriated.
• 2:31:08
  Well, what is what is the fourteenth amendment?
• 2:31:11
  It's an oath to The United States Of America
• 2:31:17
  or The United States, not The United States Of America. It's to DC.
• 2:31:22
  It's a foreign entity.
• 2:31:24
  So right there you have the power of the expatriation
• 2:31:28
  act
• 2:31:29
  Unknown: giving you the Wait a minute. Samuel,
• 2:31:32
  what is an act
• 2:31:34
  anyway?
• 2:31:35
  It's a man's
• 2:31:37
  agreement.
• 2:31:38
  And are we going to
• 2:31:43
  conform to that?
• 2:31:44
  Unknown: Technically
• 2:31:45
  And so
• 2:31:47
  Unknown: congress Well, let me bring your words back to you.
• 2:31:51
  So they say,
• 2:31:53
  well, that's what they say in the act.
• 2:31:58
  Unknown: Refute it. Acts are constitutional.
• 2:32:00
  Acts are constitutional laws.
• 2:32:02
  If you read the constitution, it tells you that all acts
• 2:32:05
  Unknown: are gonna be law A veteran in conformity
• 2:32:08
  with
• 2:32:10
  the organic acts.
• 2:32:12
  Unknown: It is the act. Well That's your get out of jail free ticket
• 2:32:16
  of the fourteenth amendment.
• 2:32:18
  Unknown: Only until somebody complains
• 2:32:21
  and says
• 2:32:22
  it is not in conformity.
• 2:32:26
  But it takes one man,
• 2:32:28
  one purse
• 2:32:30
  one people
• 2:32:31
  to complain
• 2:32:34
  that it's not constitutional.
• 2:32:38
  Unknown: You gotta complain. Wait. My friend has a writ of certiorari and with the supreme court right now, and he's he's he's he's questioning the sovereign immunity of of the state,
• 2:32:48
  saying that they actually don't have sovereign immunity because the state, per their own definition of person, they fall into that category of person and thus
• 2:32:56
  are subject under the fourteenth amendment and cannot Oh, no. Even sovereign immunity.
• 2:33:02
  Unknown: Yeah. I agree. You gotta make a claim for Pete's sakes. And what what you're claiming is the expatriation
• 2:33:07
  act, which was your get out of jail free ticket for the fourteenth amendment citizenship.
• 2:33:16
  And you think that's what Roger's doing here? It's like a grant. You gotta accept it. You can't buy it. You have to accept it. It's the land patent. It's a grant.
• 2:33:33
  Unknown: So, like Can I see? With my
• 2:33:36
  in my appeal case, when I went when I had to go down to the county to go appeal my one of my cases,
• 2:33:42
  you know, I brought up the fact that, you know, the they kept insisting that not only with the car, like, it was a they kept calling it in the original case a New Jersey car. And I and I pointed out the fact that I said, how come the judge was making claim that it was state property? And he didn't wanna he didn't wanna answer that question, neither did the the the
• 2:34:02
  neither did the the attorney,
• 2:34:04
  you know, for the state. He he didn't wanna answer that either. I said, no one's gonna answer why the judge kept insisting that the the car was state property,
• 2:34:13
  and they just went they remained silent on it. They just wouldn't say it. Said, okay. So I I guess you guys are making claims to all the cars on the road.
• 2:34:21
  I'm making a claim to them.
• 2:34:23
  Right? Then I also said that, you know, the officer said that this occurred in the state of New Jersey. And I said the state of New Jersey has a very, very specific
• 2:34:32
  location.
• 2:34:33
  It has an address. The state of New Jersey is located on like a West 123 West Street in Trenton, New Jersey. I said, here. Look. Here's the official address.
• 2:34:43
  Here's the address. Here's their business filings.
• 2:34:46
  I I wasn't at the location when this occurred. Did, you know, they did they showed the case.
• 2:34:53
  And you can't even get access to it anymore.
• 2:34:56
  Because I have because of those two things. Because they're they are a fourteenth amendment citizen.
• 2:35:02
  Okay? The state of New Jersey is a fourteenth amendment citizen.
• 2:35:06
  They are only located within their specific
• 2:35:09
  address or properties that they own just like just like the District Of Columbia, United States. Right? They are only located specifically on the property they own. The streets are just a presumption that they own the streets and can take advantage of that when you go register the car. You're you're turning your car from private property into public into public property.
• 2:35:29
  I
• 2:35:31
  think that's that's and those are all presumptions,
• 2:35:33
  because that's what they're doing.
• 2:35:35
  Unknown: Well, Joe Stamper
• 2:35:37
  on that same page 34 in his book also points out there's a case
• 2:35:42
  that says
• 2:35:44
  the federal government is a small s state.
• 2:35:48
  Now if that's the case,
• 2:35:50
  that's exactly what they're saying a national is. It owes permanent allegiance to a small s state. So is a national
• 2:35:59
  a federal citizen
• 2:36:01
  under that
• 2:36:03
  Unknown: way of looking at it? They I would say yes. Said a state a state on in a sentence,
• 2:36:09
  when you say a state, it's nonspecific because a is referring to one item, nonspecific.
• 2:36:16
  Lowercase s state would mean that it's nonspecific.
• 2:36:19
  So it would be lowercase s state. Not capital s state, which would be specific like state of Alabama. It would be capital s state. Even if you said in the middle of a sentence, if I said I live in the state of Alabama, that would be a capital s state because you're referring to
• 2:36:33
  specific.
• 2:36:34
  But this is grammar. This is grammar. But do wait. Hold on. Let me finish. But just that's grammar. So when they said state and they said a state, I don't think they're referring to, like, this this state, like, the 50 states. I think they're referring to state as in the definition of nation.
• 2:36:50
  I cite as
• 2:36:52
  Unknown: per the case.
• 2:36:53
  He's citing it as per That's the
• 2:36:56
  Unknown: fine. But I'm saying that he's got state parentheses.
• 2:37:01
  Unknown: He's got state in parentheses in lowercase.
• 2:37:04
  He's making a point saying that that's how it's used in the case.
• 2:37:09
  Unknown: Alright. You're not getting what I'm saying. Then which definition of state did they use in the case
• 2:37:15
  is my point. When they say a state, what do they mean by that? Because state, go look go look in any
• 2:37:23
  English dictionary, any English dictionary. Okay? And you're gonna find that state will will mention the 50 states. Right? But it'll also mention
• 2:37:31
  any nation,
• 2:37:33
  country is considered a state.
• 2:37:35
  You have to realize you
• 2:37:37
  don't know which definition they're referring to in there unless they clearly defined it. But more than likely, they're referring to the the definition of state as a nation.
• 2:37:47
  Right? This is why the states were called states because each state is its own country.
• 2:37:51
  It has its own constitution, has its own regulation.
• 2:37:54
  Unknown: Why he's pointing you to Joe, that's why he's pointing you to the case.
• 2:37:58
  Unknown: Yeah. I just wanna make sure people understand.
• 2:38:01
  People
• 2:38:02
  people understand that that's that's what that why the the word state is being used to reference all 50 states, why they would say something like that in that court case about the federal government being the state.
• 2:38:14
  Wouldn't be the same type of state that we refer to as the states, but it would be its own, like, nation.
• 2:38:28
  Unknown: Joe,
• 2:38:29
  wouldn't all this be dispensed
• 2:38:31
  with
• 2:38:32
  if you defined your own
• 2:38:35
  definitions?
• 2:38:37
  Unknown: I I I came up with my own definition of state, and that's the definition I use whenever whenever I interact with any kind of state government. I say, here's the definition of state that I'm gonna use,
• 2:38:47
  and this this is the one that I'm gonna that that this is how it's gonna pertain in this situation because their definition of state, if you read the state codes, their definition of state
• 2:38:58
  Unknown: They're all over the map. Yeah. Yes. Sherry, quit interrupting me. On what statute
• 2:39:04
  you're reading.
• 2:39:05
  Sherry, can interrupt me? Forward
• 2:39:07
  your
• 2:39:08
  definition.
• 2:39:09
  Thank you.
• 2:39:12
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:39:13
  So
• 2:39:17
  Unknown: Joe, can you remember what you were saying a minute ago before you were interrupted?
• 2:39:23
  Unknown: No. No. I wanna know his definition
• 2:39:25
  of state that he just spoke Let me interrupt him again.
• 2:39:29
  Unknown: Sherry, I'm gonna remove you from the room.
• 2:39:35
  I'm not gonna mute you. What I was saying. I'm just gonna remove you from the room.
• 2:39:42
  Unknown: So I'll I'll give you the definition of state, but what I was saying is that,
• 2:39:47
  people
• 2:39:49
  suffer from not understanding grammar.
• 2:39:52
  And this is where a lot of confusion comes from. Roger talks about this all the time. But the
• 2:39:57
  grammar is a problem.
• 2:40:00
  Elementary school did not teach proper grammar. When you read the state codes, they define state
• 2:40:05
  as United States or District of Columbia or federal territories.
• 2:40:10
  They are telling you that the states are subsidiaries
• 2:40:14
  of the federal corporation.
• 2:40:16
  They are instrumentalities
• 2:40:17
  found under 28
• 2:40:19
  U. S. Code 3,002,
• 2:40:21
  subsection 15 instrumentality.
• 2:40:25
  That's what the states are. They are subsidiaries
• 2:40:28
  of the federal government, and they are located within their their specific zone of where
• 2:40:35
  they are. So they're actually when they say state, they're talking about an extension of the District Of Columbia in accordance with four US code 72.
• 2:40:43
  Right? They're also saying that because that they're under they're because they're an extension of that, because this is military occupation
• 2:40:51
  of the civil war. Right? And
• 2:40:55
  because of that,
• 2:40:56
  this this is why the fourteenth amendment exists. So that way, they can have, like, full reign over everything around the country, and then everyone's just under this presumption that they have to follow the rules of any
• 2:41:08
  any government agent
• 2:41:10
  that exists.
• 2:41:12
  We know that's all BS, but the thing is
• 2:41:15
  that because their definition of state implies that they are a part of a federal enclave,
• 2:41:22
  that they would fall under that territorial jurisdiction,
• 2:41:25
  which is found in Article I, Section eight clause 17, meaning that they can't exercise jurisdiction outside of their property,
• 2:41:31
  period,
• 2:41:32
  which they don't if they don't own it, if they don't have a deed to it, they can't exercise jurisdiction there. States can't do it. The federal government can't do it, and this is why they they stop a lot of these
• 2:41:42
  you know, that's why they see a lot of these cases that I'm I'm in is because I keep bringing this stuff up, and they just don't wanna talk about it. They don't wanna create some kind of controversy,
• 2:41:51
  and no one wants to rule on it.
• 2:41:53
  But I'll give you my definition of state that I use in my novations when I have to do business.
• 2:42:00
  When I say state
• 2:42:02
  means a distinct
• 2:42:03
  sovereign body politic
• 2:42:06
  comprised of strictly private, free human beings occupying a nonfederal territory
• 2:42:12
  who are joint tenants in the sovereignty.
• 2:42:16
  These people are the absolute source of all just governmental authority,
• 2:42:21
  and they have instituted an organized government as a mere agent, fiduciary, and servant for the sole purpose of securing and protecting their unalienable
• 2:42:29
  private rights and private property.
• 2:42:32
  That's my definition of state that I use in my contract.
• 2:42:37
  Unknown: Is there a source?
• 2:42:39
  Unknown: I made it up. Okay. Thank you.
• 2:42:45
  Unknown: I have I have a question
• 2:42:47
  if if it's okay.
• 2:42:50
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:42:52
  Unknown: This is Sketch, and thank you for coming on today.
• 2:42:55
  You mentioned that the judge remained silent.
• 2:42:59
  Now
• 2:43:00
  I've heard or I've seen a case where if they remain silent,
• 2:43:05
  they have a duty to respond,
• 2:43:07
  and
• 2:43:08
  it can be
• 2:43:11
  given that fraud has occurred when they remain silent.
• 2:43:14
  Are you aware of that case?
• 2:43:19
  Unknown: I mean, I'm not aware of a case that says that specifically.
• 2:43:22
  Unknown: No. Yeah. I I came I don't know it either right offhand, but I came across a case,
• 2:43:28
  and I think it's in the it might be in the statutes
• 2:43:31
  that it it it it is fraud if they do not respond. If they remain silent and and they have a duty to respond,
• 2:43:39
  it it can be considered fraud.
• 2:43:42
  I yield. Thank you.
• 2:43:44
  Unknown: I I'm gonna look that up because now I wanna know what that is because,
• 2:43:48
  yeah, I said to the judge because when I was in one court case,
• 2:43:53
  the judge said to me, all Jersey cars
• 2:43:56
  are required to be registered.
• 2:43:58
  And I looked down and said, but this is my car.
• 2:44:01
  And he he said the same. He just repeated the statement. He goes, all New Jersey cars need to be registered.
• 2:44:08
  And I'm like, wait a second. Wait a second. He's saying that this is not my property. He's saying that.
• 2:44:15
  You know? He said it twice, and I'm like
• 2:44:18
  but then I said I said, but this is my car. It's not New Jersey's car.
• 2:44:22
  So when I went and appealed the case, I said to the judge, I said, I found it very odd that the judge made claim that that that was state property,
• 2:44:32
  and even though it's my car. And he just kinda smiled and nodded. He goes, mhmm.
• 2:44:38
  Right? But he wouldn't say anything. And then I looked at the the state's attorney and the appeal the the appellee.
• 2:44:45
  And I said I looked at him, and he was
• 2:44:47
  he didn't say anything. He was he was just looking at the judge. He wouldn't even look at me, which I thought was kinda funny. Yes. When you court them, they will remain silent and that's where the fraud occurs. I yield
• 2:44:59
  Unknown: Common. Common.
• 2:45:01
  Hey, Joe.
• 2:45:03
  The AI overview on a search if a judge has a duty to respond and remain silent
• 2:45:10
  is in the legal system a judge's failure to respond when legally obligated does not automatically constitute fraud.
• 2:45:18
  Instead this inaction usually constitutes a procedural error,
• 2:45:23
  judicial bias,
• 2:45:24
  or an administrative
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  omission.
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  The proper legal remedy for addressing a judge's silence
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  is an appeal or filing a formal complaint.
• 2:45:35
  The intricacies of this scenario and why it's not typically classified as fraud are detailed.
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  The legal definition of fraud under common law and the American Bar Association,
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  fraud requires an intentional
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  material misrepresentation
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  of fact
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  made to deceive another party into relying on it to their detriment.
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  Silence or an omission
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  can only be considered fraudulent if the silent party had an affirmative legal duty to disclose the information and the intent
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  to mislead.
• 2:46:11
  Judicial immunity judges generally possess absolute immunity when acting in their official judicial capacity.
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  This means you cannot sue a judge for civil damages or criminal charges for their decisions or indecisions
• 2:46:26
  while providing over a case, even if their silence violates due process.
• 2:46:31
  Judicial immunity applies even if a decision is deemed malicious
• 2:46:35
  or biased.
• 2:46:37
  What the law calls judicial silence,
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  if a judge has a legal duty to respond, for example ruling on a properly filed motion and remain silent,
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  the law categorizes
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  this as an error or an unreasonable
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  delay,
• 2:46:54
  not fraud.
• 2:46:55
  It effectively means the court has failed to perform its duty.
• 2:47:00
  How to address judicial silence?
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  Because fraud claims against judges are procedurally dismissed due to immunity,
• 2:47:08
  the legal system relies on different checks and balances to handle this type of judicial misconduct.
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  Appeals, if a judge refuses to rule on a motion or ignores evidence,
• 2:47:20
  the inaction can be raised to a higher court through an appeal or a petition for a writ of mandamus,
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  an order forcing a public official to perform
• 2:47:30
  their official duties.
• 2:47:32
  Judicial conduct commissions,
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  judges are bound by a rigid model code of judicial conduct. You can report a judge's failure to perform their duties to your states
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  or oversight commission.
• 2:47:46
  The New
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  York State Commission on Judicial Conduct,
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  and that's all it's got on that.
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  So if you try and,
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  accuse a judge of fraud, it'll probably be summarily thrown out under
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  their
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  cloak of immunity,
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  but if you make a charge against them for judicial misconduct
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  and actually
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  cause them to be under investigation
• 2:48:15
  for that conduct,
• 2:48:17
  I think you might actually make a few more enemies that way.
• 2:48:23
  Unknown: You think? Well, that's alright. I don't mind. I mean, they they put me on some kind of list or something now, so they they they don't pull me over anymore. The cop the last cop who arrested me, he he saw me get into my car with my DOT plates on and drive off, and he didn't come after me. And I'm pretty sure it was because they they told him not to talk to me anymore.
• 2:48:42
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 2:48:44
  They probably told him if you wanna keep your job, leave him alone.
• 2:48:49
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, you know what happened. Right?
• 2:48:53
  Unknown: You almost took the took control of the city?
• 2:48:58
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:49:00
  Yeah. With the quell Lorenzo.
• 2:49:02
  Unknown: And if they hadn't stopped,
• 2:49:05
  if they hadn't
• 2:49:07
  put that case to bed, you likely would have.
• 2:49:12
  Unknown: Well, I don't know. I would have been because it's called the receiver. Like, a a receiver is the one who takes the property and then holds it,
• 2:49:20
  like, kind of, like, similar to a trustee would hold trust. And so the city or the people of the town would would vote on hold an election on what they wanna do with all the property.
• 2:49:32
  If they wanna incorporate a new a new town there or not, if they wanna keep it on unincorporated
• 2:49:38
  or whatever.
• 2:49:41
  So,
• 2:49:42
  I mean, I said that I would be the receiver. That's what I wrote on there, but I don't know if they were gonna actually go if they would actually make me the receiver. But it would be awesome if they said, yeah. You could be the receiver.
• 2:49:51
  I'd be driving around the top cars around town.
• 2:49:55
  Unknown: Well, what you could actually do is you could actually
• 2:50:00
  do away with property taxes and
• 2:50:03
  everything.
• 2:50:05
  You know, just dissolve the Well,
• 2:50:10
  Unknown: the unincorporated lands technically don't have to pay property taxes because they're unincorporated.
• 2:50:15
  They don't have the
• 2:50:16
  you know, that. If anything, it would be dependent upon what law enforcement patrols in their areas
• 2:50:22
  that they wouldn't be obligated to pay something towards.
• 2:50:27
  But I think that's all supposed to be taken care of through the the ad valorem taxes. Shouldn't be taken through property taxes anyway.
• 2:50:34
  You know, these guys should just be better at budgeting.
• 2:50:39
  Unknown: Well, all you would have to do then is just reorganize
• 2:50:43
  the state's finances
• 2:50:45
  to get rid of these slush funds
• 2:50:49
  that
• 2:50:50
  all of the
• 2:50:53
  the administrative
• 2:50:54
  pretenders
• 2:50:55
  enjoy
• 2:50:56
  and
• 2:50:58
  actually
• 2:50:59
  funnel
• 2:51:00
  the taxes paid
• 2:51:02
  by the people to
• 2:51:05
  beneficial improvements as far as roads and parks and schools,
• 2:51:10
  and also
• 2:51:11
  police
• 2:51:12
  and fire salaries and equipment.
• 2:51:15
  I'm thinking you could have a really, really, really well run
• 2:51:21
  city
• 2:51:22
  if you just did that, just got rid of those slush funds.
• 2:51:27
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:51:29
  Well, that's why they, you know, that's why they should have the
• 2:51:33
  what they should do before you run for, like, a public office where you're gonna be involved in finances,
• 2:51:40
  they should have you take a math test. See if you can actually
• 2:51:43
  you know, where you you have to on paper budget
• 2:51:46
  make a budget for something and see if it holds up. And if they can't do it, then they can't run for office.
• 2:51:52
  Unknown: What they should also do is also
• 2:51:56
  they should also do is they should also have to disclose their net worth.
• 2:52:03
  And
• 2:52:04
  they disclose their net worth when they go into office,
• 2:52:07
  and they disclose
• 2:52:09
  their net worth when they come out of office,
• 2:52:12
  and disclose
• 2:52:14
  where
• 2:52:15
  the difference came from.
• 2:52:19
  Unknown: Well, also, they can't be under any NDAs
• 2:52:21
  before
• 2:52:23
  or during or after office.
• 2:52:27
  Like, they're disqualified from office if they're under any kind of NDA.
• 2:52:32
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:52:33
  Well, you can disqualify them from office. You can't stop them from
• 2:52:38
  signing an NDA because the constitution
• 2:52:42
  defines
• 2:52:44
  limit strict limitations on government's interference with contracts.
• 2:52:50
  So you would just have to preclude them from public service if they're under any any kind of an NDA, like you said.
• 2:52:59
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:53:01
  Right. Yeah. They could be under NDA, but then they can't work for they can't be in public office.
• 2:53:06
  Unknown: They can't have dual citizenship either. Hello?
• 2:53:12
  Unknown: Yeah. That's that's, that's conflict of interest.
• 2:53:16
  Unknown: Oh, absolutely.
• 2:53:19
  Absolutely.
• 2:53:20
  Unknown: Do
• 2:53:21
  you know how many people don't see that, though?
• 2:53:24
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:53:25
  Well, I don't think they should it shouldn't be a problem if if they if they're they're a citizen of Israel. They'll they'll still
• 2:53:36
  back for us.
• 2:53:39
  Oh, like so. Yeah.
• 2:53:43
  Anyways.
• 2:53:44
  Hey, Joe. Did
• 2:53:46
  you see the most recent crow house?
• 2:53:50
  Unknown: Crow House.
• 2:53:52
  Unknown: Yeah. The most recent crow house.
• 2:53:55
  It's a Crow House. A comedian.
• 2:53:58
  A comedian. They you did a three minute clip short
• 2:54:02
  of a comedian
• 2:54:04
  who
• 2:54:05
  actually is
• 2:54:07
  explaining
• 2:54:08
  who
• 2:54:09
  did in Charlie Kirk and why.
• 2:54:13
  And and it was actually pretty cool.
• 2:54:18
  Unknown: Well, I don't know if you wanna get on to it in here. Well,
• 2:54:23
  Unknown: I could freaking do that. I don't care. We're still streaming. Okay. I don't care. Hey, Larry. Do you do you want something quick, or do I have three minutes to
• 2:54:34
  punch up this little
• 2:54:36
  this little ditty?
• 2:54:39
  Unknown: Just a quick question for Joe while you're bringing that up, the video.
• 2:54:44
  You mentioned using abatement with the IRS. Have you heard of someone or have you helped someone
• 2:54:51
  have success with that recently?
• 2:54:53
  And
• 2:54:54
  can you go into a little detail and describe what
• 2:54:59
  that sounds like in the document,
• 2:55:01
  please?
• 2:55:03
  Unknown: Yeah. So I did it with a few people. There's a number of people who are having problems with California Franchise Tax Board right now.
• 2:55:11
  And so
• 2:55:12
  when I was reading the California
• 2:55:15
  statue or codes, they they call codes there,
• 2:55:19
  found that the they tax nonresidents.
• 2:55:22
  Your numbers, they only still have to pay taxes.
• 2:55:24
  I'm like, well, how do you like that?
• 2:55:26
  So they say any state of California source income has to be taxed. So what we do is we do an abatement on them.
• 2:55:34
  And and it has worked because I don't think they or if if it hasn't worked,
• 2:55:39
  you know, it really it really puts a wrench in their gears because they don't know what to do with these things because we're telling them that we're not a nonresident because nonresident's statutory in their world.
• 2:55:51
  We're also abating and saying, well, we're transient foreigners.
• 2:55:55
  Okay?
• 2:55:56
  Instead of saying nonresident alien, we go, well, we're transient foreigners because they don't have anything on transient foreigners. So they don't know what the how to respond to that.
• 2:56:04
  I also said so, like, the abatement is here's the situation. You're trying to get me to pay a tax saying citing a state
• 2:56:12
  of California income
• 2:56:14
  as a nonresident alien.
• 2:56:16
  So okay. So that's the situation. Here's the info the data is this. Right? I'm actually a transient foreigner. State of California is located here, and I give them the Sacramento address, which I was never at or nor made any income, per your definition, net income, which gains
• 2:56:34
  after wages,
• 2:56:35
  right?
• 2:56:36
  And
• 2:56:37
  I said, so those are a couple of the situations
• 2:56:41
  that I'm not a person per the California tax
• 2:56:46
  code.
• 2:56:47
  Your definition of person would imply that I'm either a legal entity
• 2:56:51
  some sort, which I'm not. I'm
• 2:56:54
  not an individual, which is
• 2:56:56
  a legal entity.
• 2:56:58
  That's an artificial corporation or artificial person is an individual.
• 2:57:04
  Trust, joint venture, corporation,
• 2:57:09
  none of those things apply because I'm not considered a person
• 2:57:12
  per your definition. So what you're going to have to do is go please reexamine
• 2:57:17
  your state codes and ensure that you're not accidentally sending out these letters by accident
• 2:57:23
  just because someone received a paycheck.
• 2:57:26
  And no no one's heard back from them since, and they've it's it's a bunch of people because California is going absolutely bonkers about it right now with the taxes because so many people left the state, and now they lost all this tax revenue.
• 2:57:44
  Unknown: Interesting.
• 2:57:45
  Did that answer your question, Larry? Yeah. Thank you.
• 2:57:48
  Unknown: Okay. Here we go. Three minute bit. Iran made a video about Charlie Kirk. I didn't even know that was in their wheelhouse. He was literally a video. You have this Iranian general just sitting in a chair with his face blurred. He's speaking in English, which means it's to me. Okay? But he has an Iranian accent. I know it's an Iranian accent because I lived in LA for ten years. Like, me tell you about a Charlie Kirk. I'm like, what do you got for me, general? And he's like, did you know Charlie Kirk was killed by your government? I was like, yes. I did know that. I did. I did actually. He's like, well, while we were hacking Cash Patel for funsies,
• 2:58:19
  we got into your FBI's mainframe. No big deal. Apparently, the password's Valhalla123.
• 2:58:24
  And we found documents that reveal that your government plotted the murder of Charlie Kirk, and it didn't go according to plan. What? Our government botched an assassination attempt?
• 2:58:34
  We would never.
• 2:58:36
  He said, well, did you know Charlie Kirk is not killed by a bullet. He was killed by an explosive device planted into his microphone that was clipped to his shirt. I
• 2:58:46
  know.
• 2:58:47
  Mind blown. Better choice of words? Sure. I'm sure a lot of people are asking, what? Who can even plant an explosive device in a small piece of technology detonator remotely? Who would do that? But it's a thing, and it is real. And it is real. And it
• 2:59:01
  And it is
• 2:59:03
  And is
• 2:59:05
  it's Israel. They did it with pagers in Lebanon. By the way, where do we get this? Trevor? Best Buy? What is it? Tel Aviv Tech? Okay. He
• 2:59:13
  said the device was supposed to explode downward into Charlie's chest cavity to make it seem like a clean gunshot wound to the chest, so we would all be like, oh my god, he was shot. And they'd thumbs up the fake Tyler on the roof. Be like, good job, buddy. We'll see you in Valhalla. But it didn't go according to plan because the device misfired. Like, where have I heard that before? And a piece of shrapnel shot through Charlie's neck and it came out the place that we were supposed to see the bullet going in. Now this was the part that he said that blew okay.
• 2:59:42
  Was the part he said that really opened my eyes. He said because it misfired and because it exploded in all sorts of which ways, a bunch of pieces of shrapnel flew everywhere and a lot of them went down and lodged themselves deep into the concrete where Charlie Kirk was speaking. And this is why the next day, a bunch of people came to repave the entire area. So Charlie Kirk is shot and the next morning, a bunch of random guys from God knows where in Israel come and start repaving
• 3:00:11
  the entire asshole. Just like you could have chose a better time to do that. This is literally the weirdest, most eerie part of the Charlie Kirk case aside from Erica. It is the second strangest part about the case. Like, you are watching a crime drama like CSI
• 3:00:25
  Orem and somebody gets shot and then, like, moments later, oh, nothing to see here. We're gonna start repaving the whole area. That would be like a 10 part series where they're trying to figure out, like, who the are these contractors?
• 3:00:36
  And so then the Iranian general was like, and this is how you know that it was your government who killed Charlie Kirk. Like and subscribe to my page.
• 3:00:44
  Hit the bell. I was like, do you have Lego content?
• 3:00:47
  The Iranian intelligence, they understand the American mind because they know that Charlie Kirk is a very sensitive issue in The United States. They understand that even better than I did. Because after Charlie Kirk was shot, I honestly didn't even know that much about him. I was like, oh my god. That's horrible. But I still did a stand up routine because that's what I do. I would do it to any of you. Don't take it personally. Posted it on YouTube and YouTube took it down instantly. That's never happened to me in the history of my whole career. And you've seen some of the things I talk about. That's how many people flagged it saying no, they were upset, they were very sensitive about it. I didn't know you can't make jokes the same day.
• 3:01:22
  Alright. That was fucked up on my part. That was fucked up on my part. I should have at least waited for the cement to dry.
• 3:01:36
  Unknown: Pretty crazy, Yeah.
• 3:01:41
  Unknown: That's good. Who what was that guy's name? I don't know what the guy's name is.
• 3:01:46
  Unknown: He he looks he looks kind of like Iranian,
• 3:01:50
  you know, kind of.
• 3:01:52
  I don't know what his name is, but but he is at the end of the
• 3:01:57
  the Crow House video,
• 3:02:00
  and that is
• 3:02:03
  narrating
• 3:02:04
  the fail is the title of that
• 3:02:08
  Crow House episode.
• 3:02:10
  Maybe he mentions the guy by name during the show or during the during his walkabout. I don't know.
• 3:02:17
  But,
• 3:02:19
  we'll
• 3:02:20
  see, I guess.
• 3:02:23
  Anyway,
• 3:02:25
  guys, I'm gonna take this take the stream down.
• 3:02:28
  You know, you guys can continue chatting until
• 3:02:32
  Pole English live coming up in fifty eight minutes.
• 3:02:36
  Unknown: But It is not real. It is real. It is not real. It is real. It is not real. It is real. Something like that.
• 3:02:44
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• 3:02:49
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• 3:02:51
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• 3:02:52
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• 3:02:54
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• 3:02:55
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• 3:02:58
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• 3:02:59
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• 3:03:12
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• 3:03:23
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• 3:03:42
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• 3:03:48
  Unknown: Bye, Divers. Have fun storming the castle.