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LITTLE SISTERS LURED BY KIDNAPPER ON ROBLOX · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Breaking news.
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Speaker 2: Two little sisters lured by a kidnapper on roadblocks? Is
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Speaker 2: your child or your team on roadblocks? If so, listen up,
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Speaker 2: good evening. I mean to see grace.
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Speaker 1: This is crime stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us.
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Speaker 3: Two young teen sisters in Florida playing video games together,
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Speaker 3: completely unaware that predators are watching from the shadows of
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Speaker 3: online gaming platforms.
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Speaker 2: Watching from the shadows. That's the one good way to
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Speaker 2: put it. Do you know that predators spend twenty four
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Speaker 2: to seven praying on our teens and our children, and
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Speaker 2: they do it so easily, you might as well just
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Speaker 2: hand them the key to the front door, because that's
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Speaker 2: what they've got online.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to special guests joining us.
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Speaker 2: Sheriff John Buddenseik he is the I'm like to Sheriff
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Speaker 2: of Martin County, Florida, share thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Would you say that's an accurate description that we might
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Speaker 2: as well hand out of the keys to the front door,
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Speaker 2: because these predators have a key right into your child's
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Speaker 2: bedroom where they're playing roadblocks.
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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, you're one hundred percent right. We just experienced
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Speaker 4: that nightmare story that we tell parents over and over
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Speaker 4: and over to try to avoid, but it happened right
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Speaker 4: here in our county, right under their parents nose, And
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Speaker 4: thankfully we're able to get these girls back safely.
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Speaker 5: An Indiantown family desperately searches for missing twelve and fifteen
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Speaker 5: year old sisters they believe leeward out of their home
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Speaker 5: by a stranger on roadblocks nearly six months ago. Family
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Speaker 5: members learned the girls communicating with the stranger via Snapchat
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Speaker 5: and believe they have the situation handled. They never expected
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Speaker 5: the stranger to travel across the country in the midst
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Speaker 5: of winter storm Gianna and take them.
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Speaker 2: Worst a nightmare, worst a nightmare, back to the sheriff. Sheriff,
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Speaker 2: how are the little girls?
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Speaker 4: So one was a fifteen year old and the other
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Speaker 4: one was a twelve year old, and they started on roadblocks,
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Speaker 4: just playing games, something benign and innocent, and then this
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Speaker 4: predator latched onto them and eventually moved them over to
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Speaker 4: Snapchat and started doing the grooming that we talk about, often,
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Speaker 4: complimenting them, telling him that he loved them, sending gifts,
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Speaker 4: and before long he's driving fifteen hundred miles all the
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Speaker 4: way across the country to pick them up here in
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Speaker 4: Martin County and take them back to Omaha, Nebraska.
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Speaker 2: Good Lord in Heaven, I am going to go to
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Speaker 2: our investigative reporter in just one moment, a lexis Treshchak
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Speaker 2: Sidney Summers standing by, but now to Titania Jordan joining us.
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Speaker 2: She is the chief parent Officer at Bark Parental Controls,
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Speaker 2: author of Parenting in a Tech World. To Tanya, explain
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Speaker 2: for everybody that doesn't know what is Roadblocks and.
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Speaker 1: My children, especially my son loves roadblocks a lot as
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Speaker 1: a little boy.
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Speaker 6: What isn't Yeah, my son loves Roadblocks as well. It
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Speaker 6: is a bunch of games, a bunch of games that
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Speaker 6: are user generated, meaning you, Nancy or I could create
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Speaker 6: a digital game and anyone in the world could join
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Speaker 6: that game. We create the design, we create the communications.
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Speaker 6: It's a free for all and there's a lot of
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Speaker 6: fun there, but there's also a lot of bad. In fact,
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Speaker 6: at Bark, we analyzed eleven point one billion data points
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Speaker 6: over twenty twenty five across children's text, email, social media, search,
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Speaker 6: et cetera. And what we found was that Roadblocks was
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Speaker 6: the number two highest ranked platform for confirmed risky contact,
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Speaker 6: and the only platform that beat that was Snapchat.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I need you to repeat that to Tanya Jordan
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Speaker 2: to Tania joining us, chief parenting officer at BARK, which
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Speaker 2: I have. I'm not an ambassador, I'm not a paid spokesperson.
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Speaker 2: I have it, and it's very very sensitive. I've given
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Speaker 2: a million examples before about how I would get an alarm,
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Speaker 2: typically to my son, and then when I would I
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Speaker 2: got one the other.
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Speaker 1: Day it said sex content. I'm like what. I went
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Speaker 1: and looked at it and it was the Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Show on EPSTEIN And he's a subscriber. He didn't watch
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Speaker 2: the program, but the title came up and it flagged.
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Speaker 1: Bart flagged. That's what Bart is.
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Speaker 2: But Bart aside, that stat you just gave about roadblocks
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Speaker 2: is scary?
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Speaker 1: Explain yes.
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Speaker 6: So at BARK we send alerts over a variety of
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Speaker 6: different categories, one of which is risky contact. If there
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Speaker 6: is somebody contacting your child that you should know about,
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Speaker 6: we will send you an alert. And the top platforms
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Speaker 6: that we confirmed over eleven point one billion data points
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Speaker 6: number one Snapchat, number two, roadblocks, followed by Instagram, TikTok
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Speaker 6: and discord. This is happening at scale.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 2: Back to you Sheriff John Budenseik joining US. He is
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Speaker 2: the elected sheriff Martin County in Florida. You know, suddenly
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Speaker 2: you seem you know, you look like a big husky guy.
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Speaker 2: Suddenly you and your people, your men and women, seem
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Speaker 2: mighty small. When there are eighty three million, eighty three
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Speaker 2: million confirmed users on roadblocks, how many.
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Speaker 1: Of them do you think?
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Speaker 2: All of them are children and teens playing no and
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Speaker 2: you got you and your sheriff's force to fight them.
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Speaker 2: When did you first learn about the two little girls missing?
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Speaker 4: We learned that the two girls were gone, and within
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Speaker 4: an hour we knew we were in trouble. We had
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Speaker 4: everyone out. It was a full core press. We had
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Speaker 4: the FBI out with this. We had our analysts, our
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Speaker 4: dispatchers or detectives. We knew time was of the essence,
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Speaker 4: as it always is in these cases, and thankfully, through
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Speaker 4: some really smart quick thinking by our deputies, we're able
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Speaker 4: to start getting leads.
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Speaker 2: Straight out to Alexis Tereschuk joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning. What happened?
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Speaker 2: So?
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Speaker 8: These two sisters, twelve and fifteen, spent the summer playing
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Speaker 8: video games online. They played on roadblocks. They have a
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Speaker 8: great time, lots of different things. The thing is you
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Speaker 8: can talk to strangers if you have it set up
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Speaker 8: that way. So they start talking to a guy, he
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Speaker 8: is really nice to them. He's first they just talk
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Speaker 8: about the.
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Speaker 1: Alexis.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry to stop you because I want to hear
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Speaker 2: every fact. But right there, I've got a question for
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Speaker 2: Titania Jordan. She Alexis just said you can play with
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Speaker 2: strangers if you have it set up like that. Now
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Speaker 2: because of you, Titanya, I had heard about dangers online
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Speaker 2: and whenever I would walk in, it's usually my son,
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Speaker 2: not my daughter as much, but often my son would
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Speaker 2: be playing.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, who are you playing with?
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Speaker 2: And he would go, you know this one and that
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Speaker 2: one from school and some other dude.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, what other dude?
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Speaker 2: It's probably like a sixty five year old guy in
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Speaker 2: his basement all alone in his underwear. Is that who
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Speaker 2: you want to be playing with Fortnite or whatever? And
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Speaker 2: you go ew And that is where we started playing
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Speaker 2: only with people you know in real life.
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Speaker 1: So Alexis Tereschuk is absolutely correct.
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Speaker 2: You can have it set up a certain way so
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Speaker 2: you don't play with strangers. You only play with people
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Speaker 2: you know in real life. But if you don't know that,
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Speaker 2: you know, very subtle but critical differentiation, you may be
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Speaker 2: playing with some PERV halfway around the world and not
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Speaker 2: even know it. How do you set it up so
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Speaker 2: you're not playing with strangers, Titanya.
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Speaker 6: Any parent who allows their child to play Roadblocks needs
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Speaker 6: to google three words roadblocks. Parental controls. Take the time
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Speaker 6: five to twenty minutes to set those up. Limit who
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Speaker 6: your child can communicate with. Make sure Roadblocks knows your
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Speaker 6: child's real age so it can at least do with
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Speaker 6: the very bare minimum of putting it into what they
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Speaker 6: think is an age appropriate experience.
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Speaker 2: Well, isn't it true to Tanya that the pervs can
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Speaker 2: put in I'm ten years old too.
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Speaker 6: Well, what's interesting, Nancy is because of the fire Roadblocks
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Speaker 6: has been under, they've rolled out facial recognition and identification,
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Speaker 6: and some of the time they get it right. But
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Speaker 6: there have been multiple reports of people, adults and children
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Speaker 6: letting roeblocks scan their face and Roadblocks says you're a
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Speaker 6: certain age and it's not the real age. In fact,
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Speaker 6: my son's girlfriend did it and it said she was
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Speaker 6: eighteen and she is fifteen, and so there are problems there.
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Speaker 1: Back to you, Alexis, Terreschik, I just wanted to clear
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Speaker 1: that up.
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Speaker 2: Alexis, you have a little boy too, right, so perk
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Speaker 2: up your ears so you can set it too. Not
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Speaker 2: playing with strangers Okay, now you said they were playing
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Speaker 2: over the summer, would you pick it up right there?
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Speaker 1: Please? Thank you.
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Speaker 8: They were, they're playing on the summer. They start up
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Speaker 8: there strictly on roadblocks. They're not on any other side.
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Speaker 8: They're playing games. They start talking with a guy. He
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Speaker 8: starts complimenting them. He says, Wow, you're really good at
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Speaker 8: playing this, and then he tells them to switch over
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Speaker 8: to Snapchat, which is another app that kids can have,
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Speaker 8: anybody can have on their phone, and that's where he
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Speaker 8: starts grooming them. He starts saying thing calling them like baby,
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Speaker 8: and then he starts getting really aggressive. He sends them
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Speaker 8: gifts to their home. He sends them food sort of
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Speaker 8: like you know, you'd get ice cream delivered or lunch
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Speaker 8: or snacks delivered, something that he's paying money for. So
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Speaker 8: he knows their home address and he is now sending
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Speaker 8: them gifts to their home. So they built up this
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Speaker 8: whole relationship all over the Internet, and they are actively
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Speaker 8: talking back and forth with him, and they have shared
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Speaker 8: this private information with him, so he knows exactly where
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Speaker 8: they live.
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Speaker 2: I was just about to say, Alexis, if he's sending
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Speaker 2: ice cream, sandwiches and cookies and so forth to their home.
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Speaker 1: He has their home address. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Janey Lacey is joining us a license psychotherapist, CEO
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Speaker 2: of Life Counseling Solutions, author of How to Heal from
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Speaker 2: a Toxic Relationship, host of The Resilient Professional, and you
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Speaker 2: can find her at Janey Lacy dot com. Doctor Janey,
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Speaker 2: you got to wade into the fray.
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Speaker 1: What do you have to say about this?
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Speaker 9: Nancy? My heart breaks for these families. You know, as
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Speaker 9: I just heard my cold panelistm want me. What we're
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Speaker 9: watching is the grooming behavior that's just in the digital world,
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Speaker 9: right these predators, and this predator, I should say, he
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Speaker 9: just didn't just randomly message these these girls. He strategically
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Speaker 9: build trust over time through this platform that from and
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Speaker 9: my son plays Roadblocks as well. That as parents sometimes
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Speaker 9: we just think is just the game. But that transition
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Speaker 9: that we know from road Blocks snapshot, it shows that
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Speaker 9: there was calculated escalation. You know, he was isolating them.
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Speaker 9: He built that foss sense of intimacy as we just
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Speaker 9: hurtzenthing them gifts, and then he exploited that. He exploited that.
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Speaker 9: And this is exactly how predators operate, whether it's online
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Speaker 9: or in person.
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Speaker 2: Nancy, I'm looking at the screens. Our control room is
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Speaker 2: playing again. Remember Tatania said that you create your own game.
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Speaker 2: You can have football players, you could have a girls
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Speaker 2: soccer team. It could be in a dance class, it
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Speaker 2: could be on Broadway. You create the game you want
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Speaker 2: to play, and you're seeing a lot of those choices.
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Speaker 2: It's whatever you can imagine. You create that game. Oh,
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Speaker 2: there you go. There's a race car gonna be Formula one,
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Speaker 2: it gonna be Nascar, all sorts of things.
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Speaker 1: And doesn't it look fun? Sidney Sumner joining us crime stories?
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Speaker 1: Don't they look fun?
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Speaker 2: All these scenarios, the football zone, the merch this that
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Speaker 2: it's a Pretein, a Twain or.
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Speaker 1: A Tane's dream.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, you can be anything you want. You can go
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Speaker 10: anywhere you want and use correctly, well correctly as a
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Speaker 10: vague term. But I see my nieces and nephews all
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Speaker 10: the time playing together they can meet up in this
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Speaker 10: video game world and go play these games together even
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Speaker 10: when they're not sitting together in the same home. So
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Speaker 10: it really is supposed to be this wonderful tool, this
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Speaker 10: online gaming experience, for young children to be able to
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Speaker 10: enjoy this together. But you have all of these predators,
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Speaker 10: all of these grown adults using this as a hunting ground.
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Speaker 11: Bright in Ely Saturday morning, two Indian town sisters head
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Speaker 11: to a park near their home. When their grandparents find
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Speaker 11: out they may be meeting an online friend at the park,
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Speaker 11: the girls are picked up and grounded, not allowed to
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Speaker 11: leave home or have access to their phones. But when
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Speaker 11: they're called out of their rooms for dinner around six pm,
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Speaker 11: the girls are nowhere to be found.
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Speaker 2: Just hearing that run puts a chill down my spine.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is an acclaimed lawyer, Ben Powers, criminal defense attorney,
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Speaker 2: and you can find him on Facebook at Legal Powers.
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Speaker 1: Ben. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: This reminds me so much of Abby and Libby, the
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Speaker 2: two beautiful little girls in Delphi who went out to
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Speaker 2: a public park and they never came home. Ben, they
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Speaker 2: never came home.
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Speaker 12: It is a concerning issue with roadblocks, because what roadblocks
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Speaker 12: really is at its core is the Internet with a
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Speaker 12: candy shop kind of been near to it. It's like
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Speaker 12: cartoony characters, a lot of child friendly type images as
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Speaker 12: far as the types of games you can make and
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Speaker 12: the character types and things like that. It's definitely geared
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Speaker 12: towards children. But what we're really talking about is the
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Speaker 12: Internet with messaging capabilities that anyone can access. And it's
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Speaker 12: just got a real flowery, nice kind of image to it.
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Speaker 12: But it really is the Internet in the most broadest form,
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Speaker 12: with adults and children alike on there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guarantee you be in powers.
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Speaker 2: If all the adults knew how many pervs, how many
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Speaker 2: it's typically men playing with the children, they wouldn't let
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Speaker 2: their child touch it with a ten foot pole. Back
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Speaker 2: to special Guests joining us. Sheriff John Budenzik. He is
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Speaker 2: the elected sheriff Martin County. So when you first got
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Speaker 2: the call, who called?
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Speaker 4: The grandparents called the Sheriff's office, at which point our
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Speaker 4: rope patrow, our first responders went out to the house
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Speaker 4: and they just started a conversation. Try. We thought initially
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Speaker 4: that the girls were just simply out for the night
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Speaker 4: around town. They started looking in the area they were
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Speaker 4: in as a small.
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Speaker 1: Town out for the night, around town. One of them
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Speaker 1: is twelve years old. What do you mean, man around town, out.
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Speaker 4: For the nine evening, out for the evening.
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Speaker 1: Twelve years old, the town.
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Speaker 4: Go back to that. It's six o'clock at night. It's
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Speaker 4: a small community, tight knit community. And they thought the
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Speaker 4: girls had walked to a convenience store right by their
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Speaker 4: house or they were close by.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So so, okay, that's a.
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Speaker 2: Lot more acceptable than two little girls out on the town. Yes,
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Speaker 2: got it. We did that many time, sheriff. In the
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Speaker 2: little community where I grew up, nothing but pine trees
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Speaker 2: and soybean fields as far as you could see. And
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Speaker 2: the big, the big thrill was to walk to the
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Speaker 2: convenience store.
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Speaker 1: That was a good two miles one way. Okay, back
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Speaker 1: to your story.
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Speaker 4: So that convenience store, by the way, is only about
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Speaker 4: two hundred yards from their house. They exhausted those resources
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Speaker 4: immediately figured out the girls were in fact gone. The
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Speaker 4: family was instrumental in this. They had been diligent, like
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Speaker 4: our co panelist said and noted that they were in
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Speaker 4: midsummer on chats on roadblocks and snapchat, and our detectives
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Speaker 4: at that point are starting to enter into this scene
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Speaker 4: and trying to figure out who any of these individuals
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Speaker 4: were on social media.
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Speaker 2: Sure, if I don't want to interrupt, but you said
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Speaker 2: something about the family had ferreted out that they did
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Speaker 2: not go to the convenience store. What had the family
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Speaker 2: done to find them before they called you?
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Speaker 4: The family and friends had done their own neighborhood search
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Speaker 4: around the close knit community and realized that the girls
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Speaker 4: were not there. They caught our deputies. Our deputies started
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Speaker 4: asking the questions. Of course, they realized that the girls
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Speaker 4: were not in the immediate area, and then they started
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Speaker 4: asking are there any other options here? Is there any
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Speaker 4: anything else that it could have taken place? And the
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Speaker 4: family said, well, back in the middle of the summer
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Speaker 4: months ago, we caught the girls on roadblocks and then
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Speaker 4: on Snapchat communicating with an individual. They didn't know who
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Speaker 4: the individual was, they didn't know where they were from,
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Speaker 4: but they knew they were communicating, and the family actually
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Speaker 4: shut that down. Unbeknownst to them, the girls reignited that
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Speaker 4: conversation on Snapchat and continued that conversation.
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Speaker 1: Well, go on just a.
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Speaker 2: Moment, Sheriff, I got another question for you. I got
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Speaker 2: a question for you. You got me drinking from the
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Speaker 2: fire hydrant. Here so many facts at once. First of all,
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Speaker 2: I know you've heard this too. People second guess the family,
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Speaker 2: such as why did it take so long to call.
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Speaker 1: Nine one one?
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Speaker 2: Well, when your child is not in their room, you
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Speaker 2: don't pick up your cell phone out of your pocket
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Speaker 2: and call nine one one. You go look in the kitchen,
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Speaker 2: you go, look in the basement, you look everywhere else.
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Speaker 2: You go in the front yard. You go in the backyard,
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Speaker 2: you try to call their cell phone. You might call
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Speaker 2: a friend, you might look around the neighborhood before you go, Okay,
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Speaker 2: this is bad.
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Speaker 1: I got to call nine one one. The family did that.
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Speaker 2: Then the family says that there had been a roadblocks
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Speaker 2: problem over the summer, and they shut it down. I
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Speaker 2: guarantee you, Sheriff, the first time they realized there's a
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Speaker 2: problem was probably when ice cream or some sort of
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Speaker 2: treat arrived at a door at the door from somebody
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Speaker 2: they've never heard of.
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Speaker 1: That's a real wake up. And the way you.
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Speaker 2: Said it was absolutely accurate. But it makes the girls
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Speaker 2: sound sneaky.
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Speaker 1: All children think they know more than all parents.
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Speaker 2: So the children think that they know this person, and
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Speaker 2: they're like, there's nothing wrong with him, so we're going
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Speaker 2: to do it in secret.
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Speaker 1: Mom and dad.
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Speaker 2: They just don't understand. So they're not horrible, sneaky and
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Speaker 2: ruly children. They just thought they knew better, but they didn't. Okay,
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Speaker 2: back to you were saying, the family told you about
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Speaker 2: the communications over the summer.
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Speaker 1: Then what happened.
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Speaker 4: Our detectives asked to see the devices. They look nothing
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Speaker 4: on the devices, gaming app, no Snapchat, nothing on there.
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Speaker 4: And then one of our detectives actually had the thought,
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Speaker 4: maybe I can re download Snapchat and just see what's
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Speaker 4: on there, and he did, and immediately after re downloading
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Speaker 4: that app, this long thread of communication popped up. In
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Speaker 4: that threat of communication was an individual's face who was
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Speaker 4: communicating with them and telling them be careful. I can
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Speaker 4: get in trouble for this communication. I'm coming to get you.
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Speaker 4: Don't stand me up. I love you, and just a
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Speaker 4: long thread and in that thankfully get taken.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just just got up off the floor.
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Speaker 1: I fell off my chair.
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Speaker 2: I cannot imagine sheriff looking at my daughter's or my
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Speaker 2: son's cell phone and finding out that she has been
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Speaker 2: back and forth with a grown man. And I see
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Speaker 2: his face looking right at me, I would fall over
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Speaker 2: and this Sydney Center, this was the grandparents.
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Speaker 10: Correct, Yes, the grandparents were taking care of these sisters
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Speaker 10: that day.
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Speaker 4: At approximate eight pm on Saturday night, our Roe Patrol
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Speaker 4: deputies in Indian Town responded to a call for service
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Speaker 4: and learned that there were two missing females, a twelve
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Speaker 4: year old and a fifteen year old. They had gone
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Speaker 4: missing a few hours earlier, they believed the same day,
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Speaker 4: at about nine in the morning, these same two girls
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Speaker 4: had gone to a local park there in Indiantown, had
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Speaker 4: been found by a family member, brought back to their home, punished,
20:38
Speaker 4: and part of that punishment was having two of their
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Speaker 4: cellular devices removed from their person.
20:48
Speaker 3: What starts as an innocent connection on roadblocks quickly deepens.
20:51
Speaker 3: A new friend gains their trust through games and chats,
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Speaker 3: then pushes the relationship onto more private forms of communication.
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Speaker 4: There was a potential suspect already in this case, and
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Speaker 4: that suspect had been identified through a snapchat at back
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five. In the middle of twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 4: and the family members suggested to our deputies that an
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Speaker 4: individual on that app may be involved in these girls disappearing.
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Speaker 2: Holy moly, no, I want to see the bookend photo please,
21:24
Speaker 2: because there he looks very Yeah, Alexis Tereschuk. What if
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Speaker 2: you go on and find out this is who your daughter?
21:35
Speaker 2: I want to see him again, please, is chatting with
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Speaker 2: It's a grown man.
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Speaker 1: That's not a ten year old boy. That's not a
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Speaker 1: seventeen year old boy. That's a grown man.
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Speaker 8: It is not a classmate at all. It is somebody
21:51
Speaker 8: that lived thousands of miles away. He is a full
21:54
Speaker 8: adult and he is chatting with not one, but two
21:56
Speaker 8: both of these sisters, telling them he loves them, love
21:59
Speaker 8: them really, you know, with gifts and but sneaky, being
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Speaker 8: really sneaky and telling them to switch over to a
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Speaker 8: different app because Rollbucks. You know, the parents could stop
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Speaker 8: at Snapchat. It's a little bit harder, and in fact,
22:11
Speaker 8: you know, the parent the grandparents took what they thought
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Speaker 8: was every step of protection. After they got the girls
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Speaker 8: out of the park and brought them home, said you're
22:18
Speaker 8: in trouble. Your grounded standing room. They took away their phones,
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Speaker 8: but there was a tablet in the house, you know,
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Speaker 8: like an iPad or something and that way they were
22:25
Speaker 8: able to then access it and they told him, they said, oh,
22:28
Speaker 8: we can't come, we can't meet, and he insisted. He
22:31
Speaker 8: continued to say, I miss you, I love you. You
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Speaker 8: have to come with me. He would not give up.
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Speaker 1: God, girls don't know how to respond to that.
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Speaker 2: Doctor, James Lacy, you tell a little twelve year old girl,
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Speaker 2: I love you, I love you.
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Speaker 1: You know I could get in trouble for meeting you.
22:46
Speaker 2: Very Romeo Juliet type scenario. The family can't find out.
22:52
Speaker 2: That is extremely sneaky, and it is a ploy used
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Speaker 2: by sex predators online.
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Speaker 9: All the time. Nancy, You know what happens is those
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Speaker 9: predators they lurk in these spaces where children congregate, and
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Speaker 9: these platforms are so sophisticated. You know, we think about
23:10
Speaker 9: what we're talking about, roadblocks and the chat platform, social media.
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Speaker 9: They look for those vulnerabilities, kids who seem lonely, that
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Speaker 9: are seeking attention or going through some type of family structure,
23:22
Speaker 9: and then they'll present themselves as either a peer, a friend,
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Speaker 9: someone who gets them, and they'll shower them with that attention,
23:28
Speaker 9: those compliments, that validation, and in this case, he likely
23:32
Speaker 9: positioned himself as someone cool, understanding and maybe even a
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Speaker 9: romantic interest. And then what we'll see is then they
23:39
Speaker 9: move those conversations exactly what happened off the original platform,
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Speaker 9: to more private spaces where there's less monitoring, and the
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Speaker 9: messages in this case disappear, and this creates that secrecy,
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Speaker 9: and then we'll see they'll gradually introduce curious content.
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Speaker 2: Mm hm, Alexis Terresta. You stated that he began love
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Speaker 2: bombing them. What do you mean by that?
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Speaker 8: It is like an obsessive, relentless telling you I love you,
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Speaker 8: telling you how great you are, And you called them baby,
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Speaker 8: called them sweet, sending gifts to the house. That is
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Speaker 8: really just crossing the line again because these girls are
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Speaker 8: twelve and fifteen. These are little children. They cannot drive yet,
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Speaker 8: as you see in the pictures where they're not showing
24:19
Speaker 8: their face, they're wearing like Christmas light necklaces. They're very young,
24:23
Speaker 8: little children. But love bombing is just a consistent of
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Speaker 8: just relentlessly telling you how much they love you. And
24:29
Speaker 8: it's not even a sincere love thing, it's just an
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Speaker 8: obsessive statement.
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Speaker 2: Sendey Sumner, what type of things did he send to
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Speaker 2: the home?
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Speaker 10: Understanding? It was mostly food items like sweet treats or snacks,
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Speaker 10: things of that nature.
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Speaker 1: Wow, just what a teen girl would like.
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Speaker 2: So, Sheriff, when you began, how did you manage to
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Speaker 2: go back in time on the device to find this
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Speaker 2: man's picture?
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Speaker 4: Is the thinking of one of our deputies that just
25:02
Speaker 4: they understand apps, they realize there's a potential if we
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Speaker 4: re download the app that the thread may still be there.
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Speaker 4: And that's exactly what happened. The deputies got a hold
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Speaker 4: of the digital device that these girls were using to
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Speaker 4: communicate with that individual, saw that the Snapcha Snapchat app
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Speaker 4: was deleted holistically from the device, had the thought process
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Speaker 4: to reload the device, and when they did, they could
25:29
Speaker 4: see a constant threat of communication between this individual and
25:31
Speaker 4: these two young girls, to include the suspect who you
25:36
Speaker 4: see behind me driving to Indiantown, Florida to pick these
25:40
Speaker 4: girls up and leave.
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Speaker 2: Sheriff, what went through your mind when you saw this
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Speaker 2: face appear in the history.
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Speaker 4: That we're dealing with nothing but trouble here. Nothing good
25:53
Speaker 4: is going to come out of this incident.
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Speaker 3: The conversations quickly moved to Snapchat, daily messages, growing emotional bonds,
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Speaker 3: and even food deliveries sent to the girls home, blurring
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Speaker 3: the lines between online friend and predator.
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Speaker 4: So this individual lived in Omaha, Nebraska and was potentially
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Speaker 4: just giving them little things that they that they needed
26:17
Speaker 4: and just making them feel good about themselves. He complimented
26:20
Speaker 4: them through the app, called the older girl baby, referred
26:24
Speaker 4: to her romantically, and then sent her things. So that's
26:27
Speaker 4: all addicative of what we see in some of.
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Speaker 2: These Sheriff, you stated that this guy lives in Omaha, Nebraska.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be what a fifteen and to twenty hour drive.
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Speaker 4: It's one five hundred miles away. It's a twenty three
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Speaker 4: hour drive.
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Speaker 2: Good gravy too, Ben Powers, joining US veteran criminal defense attorney.
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Speaker 1: Ben, if you're.
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Speaker 2: The defense attorney here, you got a lot of explaining
26:57
Speaker 2: to do. He had twenty three hours to plot and
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Speaker 2: plan the kidnap of two little girls, one twelve years old.
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Speaker 12: Well, so it's an interesting legal argument or situation with
27:11
Speaker 12: this story, because one, I would want to know more
27:14
Speaker 12: specifically what the communications were. If they're just saying positive
27:18
Speaker 12: things and suggesting or even sending that I'll buy you
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Speaker 12: food or sending ice cream sandwiches. As unnerving as that is,
27:27
Speaker 12: there's technically not anything illegal in something like that, but
27:30
Speaker 12: if the communication is more sexual, then there are criminal
27:35
Speaker 12: code violations for that. But then also with a kidnapping,
27:39
Speaker 12: I mean if they go volunteerily voluntarily, you know, kidnapping
27:44
Speaker 12: is against someone's will, not with their will. And so
27:47
Speaker 12: if he's been love bombing on to where they go voluntarily,
27:52
Speaker 12: it's all going to come back to the communications, because
27:54
Speaker 12: communications are where his criminal exposure is the actual riding
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Speaker 12: at car with them, short of something more. Since it
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Speaker 12: does seem that they went voluntarily with them, I'm not
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Speaker 12: sure there's a criminal offense that's been a luge been Powers.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. Do you think I
28:14
Speaker 2: just fell off the turnip truck? No, ma'am okay, you
28:21
Speaker 2: do know that I practiced criminal law as a prosecutor
28:25
Speaker 2: for over ten years as a FED and a state
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Speaker 2: violent crimes prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, ma'am okay, mister Powers.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that someone under the age of consent
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Speaker 2: cannot give consent?
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Speaker 1: That's why they call it the age.
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Speaker 2: Of consent, right, So, if you're twelve years old or
28:46
Speaker 2: even fifteen years old in most jurisdictions, you cannot consent.
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Speaker 1: To You can't. Let's see, you can't enter into.
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Speaker 2: A contract, you can't go buy a car, you can't
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Speaker 2: buy a house, even if you have a million dollars.
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Speaker 1: You can't even buy a pack of cigarette. Isn't that true?
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Speaker 12: Being powers, it is an age of consent would be
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Speaker 12: for like some type of sexual contact, but just getting
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Speaker 12: in a vehicle is something that they can consent to doing.
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Speaker 12: And especially when we're talking about falseham prisoning or kidnapping,
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Speaker 12: inherently requires without their consent. I think that's going to
29:19
Speaker 12: be a problem for the prosecutor with that type of
29:21
Speaker 12: charge under these facts. But I'm sure those communications will well.
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Speaker 2: If he didn't, if he thought there wasn't something wrong
29:28
Speaker 2: with it. When they had to come home from their
29:31
Speaker 2: first aborted meeting with him that morning and he was saying,
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Speaker 2: don't let your family find out, that would suggest to
29:38
Speaker 2: me that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
29:41
Speaker 2: So I think I've got someone that's going to disagree
29:44
Speaker 2: with you. Being powers, Sheriff, is it okay to lure
29:50
Speaker 2: little girls into your car and drive away.
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Speaker 4: It absolutely is not, And of course this case will
29:56
Speaker 4: be litigated. But no twelve or fifteen years old, there
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Speaker 4: is a reason why we have an age of consent
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Speaker 4: for other things, and you hit the nail on the head.
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Speaker 4: These girls were not mature enough and old enough to
30:06
Speaker 4: make that decision. The girls initially appeared to have intended
30:10
Speaker 4: to hook up with him in the morning at the park.
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Speaker 4: That did not happen. They were disciplined broad home, their
30:15
Speaker 4: devices were taken away, and our suspect was then milling
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Speaker 4: around any in town for a period of time.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true?
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Speaker 2: Sheriff John biddenseiek that he the purp. Excuse me, The
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Speaker 2: alleged purp was saying comments like I drove all this way,
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Speaker 2: Please don't leave me hanging.
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Speaker 1: Come on, I've driven twenty x hours to see you.
30:38
Speaker 1: You gotta come back.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he was really pressuring a twelve and fifteen
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Speaker 2: year old little girl.
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Speaker 4: Not only that, nance, he also reminded them of the
30:49
Speaker 4: severity of what he was getting them into. He knew
30:52
Speaker 4: he could get in trouble for this, so he pressured
30:55
Speaker 4: them and reminded them that what he was doing was
30:57
Speaker 4: illegal and he could get in trouble, saying Sheriff, he
31:01
Speaker 4: was just saying, if anybody finds out, I could get arrested.
31:04
Speaker 4: If anybody finds out, I could get in trouble. So
31:06
Speaker 4: he was warning them. He was trying to recruit them
31:09
Speaker 4: to be secretive so they could carry out their plot
31:11
Speaker 4: of him picking them up and leaving our area.
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Speaker 2: And isn't it true, Sheriff, he actually took a picture
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Speaker 2: of himself at the Indian Town Circle K and send
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Speaker 2: it to the girls.
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Speaker 4: He did, and that was an important piece of our puzzle.
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Speaker 4: Thankfully he did, because it put him at our gas station.
31:31
Speaker 4: We're able to get a tag number from being at
31:34
Speaker 4: that gas station, so it was a critical piece of
31:36
Speaker 4: evidence for us. And then what happened, So again we
31:39
Speaker 4: called everybody out. We knew, as in any of these
31:42
Speaker 4: missing persons cases, time is of the essence, and we
31:45
Speaker 4: called our analyst out. We were able to do some
31:48
Speaker 4: orders to the to snapchat specifically and get some IP
31:52
Speaker 4: addresses and really start tracking back devices. Keep in mind,
31:55
Speaker 4: the girls didn't have devices, so the only one that
31:58
Speaker 4: had devices was this mysterious that we had a picture of,
32:01
Speaker 4: but we had no idea what it was. So we
32:03
Speaker 4: were able to start getting some device information and then
32:06
Speaker 4: start nearing in on our suspect through the tag number
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Speaker 4: and that device he was possessing.
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Speaker 2: Now, isn't it true he was communicating with your detectives
32:16
Speaker 2: but didn't realize it, or did he realize it.
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Speaker 4: The family, unbeknownst to us at that time, reached out
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Speaker 4: to him on Snapchat and was asking him about the girls.
32:27
Speaker 4: So he did what you see a lot of these
32:29
Speaker 4: criminals doing. He started feigning his concern. Oh, please, I'm
32:35
Speaker 4: worried about them. Please let me know that they're okay.
32:37
Speaker 4: So he starts this conversation. All the while he's driving
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Speaker 4: northbound on I seventy five with these girls in his custody,
32:44
Speaker 4: and he's feigning that he cares about their safety. He's
32:48
Speaker 4: acting that he's worried that something bad is going to
32:51
Speaker 4: happen to him and he's the problem. He's driving him
32:53
Speaker 4: down the road.
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Speaker 2: So wait, let me understand this year Sheriff John Budenseig, he's.
32:59
Speaker 1: Writing, where are the girls? Where are they? What happened
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Speaker 1: to them? I'm worrying. I want to help you find them.
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Speaker 2: And all the time they're in the car and they've
33:06
Speaker 2: got the pedal to the middle up seventy five, which
33:09
Speaker 2: goes all the way from Florida, all the way to
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Speaker 2: New York City, right.
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Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 1: Yes, what happened then, Sheriff.
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Speaker 4: Well, we knew we had to reach out to other jurisdictions.
33:21
Speaker 4: We started in the state of Florida. Florida Higher Patrol
33:23
Speaker 4: was contacted, they could not quite catch him before he
33:27
Speaker 4: exited the state. He exits our state in the Georgia,
33:30
Speaker 4: and thankfully the Georgia Higher Patrol was contacted by us,
33:34
Speaker 4: and we're able to make a traffic stop on that
33:37
Speaker 4: vehicle and take our suspect in the custody and most importantly,
33:43
Speaker 4: recover those girls for us safely. Six forty five, he's
33:46
Speaker 4: leaving any in town and right around one am in
33:49
Speaker 4: the morning on Sunday morning, the Georgia State Patrol was
33:52
Speaker 4: able to stop that vehicle just inside of the state
33:55
Speaker 4: of Georgia. So I'm trying to do the math that
33:58
Speaker 4: fast five or six hours.
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Speaker 1: Sheareff.
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Speaker 2: You acted, you acted quickly, you acted decisively, and you
34:04
Speaker 2: saved the girls' lives. What happened when you finally saw
34:09
Speaker 2: the girls and saw the alleged purp.
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Speaker 4: We had a collective sigh of relief amongst us. The
34:17
Speaker 4: family came out, they were crying, They realized what could
34:20
Speaker 4: have happened. They were thanking us profusely, and we just
34:23
Speaker 4: felt that elated feeling of doing our job, doing it effectively,
34:27
Speaker 4: and we knew what we'd accomplished.
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Speaker 2: You know, Sheriff, if you never do another good thing,
34:38
Speaker 2: which I doubt, you have done this, and you have
34:43
Speaker 2: saved two girls from we don't know from what, got
34:46
Speaker 2: a pretty good idea, and you definitely got your angel's wings.
34:54
Speaker 2: Finally I get to report a story with a happy ending.
34:59
Speaker 1: But it it's not always that way, is it.
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Speaker 4: Sheriff, They really are. We're still reeling from a missing
35:06
Speaker 4: girl in nineteen ninety three from our area. That's thirty
35:08
Speaker 4: plus years ago. We're still feeling the effects of that.
35:12
Speaker 4: There is no application online that's safe, No application online
35:18
Speaker 4: that's safe, be it a gaming ad, be it Snapchat,
35:21
Speaker 4: being it something as user friendly as Instagram or any
35:27
Speaker 4: social media application. If you can communicate with somebody away
35:32
Speaker 4: from your house, in the quiet of your own room,
35:34
Speaker 4: it can be a problem.
35:38
Speaker 2: Straight out to Titanya Jordan joining US chief parent Officer
35:43
Speaker 2: bart Parental Controls. She is the author of Parenting in
35:47
Speaker 2: a Tech World. To Tanya again, thank you for being
35:51
Speaker 2: with us to Tanya. We have to explain how to
35:56
Speaker 2: help students' children Twains. But before you start, I want
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Speaker 2: you to hear this story. And it's not just a story.
36:05
Speaker 2: This is real. Parents believe their little boy met someone
36:12
Speaker 2: on roadblocks, left to go meet with them. The next
36:18
Speaker 2: thing we know, he's dead. He committed suicide. He jumped
36:24
Speaker 2: from a bridge. Now Roadblocks are saying we're not involved.
36:30
Speaker 2: There are claims Roadblocks not involved. The parents say yes
36:34
Speaker 2: they are. We don't know the truth yet, Dave Matt.
36:36
Speaker 1: What happened, Nancy.
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Speaker 11: What we have is we've got a little boy who
36:42
Speaker 11: is using, is on roadblocks, and he meets somebody, you know,
36:47
Speaker 11: by using on roadblocks and is communicating with this individual
36:52
Speaker 11: and gets lured away. He's last seen leaving. Are actually
37:00
Speaker 11: last seen at a train station with his backpack on
37:04
Speaker 11: and carrying something. That's the last thing that we know,
37:09
Speaker 11: and roadblocks's there he is.
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Speaker 1: That's Thomas Medline.
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Speaker 11: He's fifteen years old. And it's one of those shocking things, Nancy,
37:20
Speaker 11: that we've been talking about for years about young people
37:23
Speaker 11: being lured away from the safety of their homes and
37:27
Speaker 11: with parents who are actively involved, and still predators have
37:32
Speaker 11: a way of getting to our young kids, and that's
37:35
Speaker 11: what apparently happened here with Thomas Medline. He's fifteen when
37:39
Speaker 11: he leaves school, you know, he left like at three
37:41
Speaker 11: thirty in the afternoon, right for school, gets off and
37:44
Speaker 11: he's last seen crossing the bridge, the pedestrian walk on
37:48
Speaker 11: the bridge, and that's it. That's the last photos we
37:52
Speaker 11: have of him, and then he's gone, which leads.
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Speaker 2: Me to my friend Alisha Koleskevich, who actually survived a
38:01
Speaker 2: horrific kidnap and a brutal torture.
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Speaker 7: I spent a lot of time online talking to my
38:06
Speaker 7: friends from school, and at the time, it felt like
38:09
Speaker 7: it was a clubhouse. Three woitd calling was still a thing,
38:11
Speaker 7: and I remember explaining it to my mom and it
38:13
Speaker 7: was like three way calling with as many people as
38:15
Speaker 7: you want, and it was in the family room, and
38:18
Speaker 7: it it should have been safe, but I didn't have
38:21
Speaker 7: the tools to keep myself safe, and neither did my family.
38:24
Speaker 7: And there I was in a chat room and somebody
38:28
Speaker 7: messaged me, and I thought that it was a boy
38:29
Speaker 7: around my own age, so I trusted that this person
38:32
Speaker 7: was who they said they were. I was who I
38:34
Speaker 7: said I was. Why would somebody lie That never came
38:38
Speaker 7: up in my mind, and he immediately began to groom me,
38:42
Speaker 7: And of course I didn't know it at the time.
38:43
Speaker 7: There were no red flags, and none that I could
38:45
Speaker 7: be aware of. He began acting as though he was
38:48
Speaker 7: my friend. We sat around the dinner table, We laughed.
38:51
Speaker 7: It was the holiday. We had a family meal, which
38:54
Speaker 7: we would.
38:55
Speaker 1: Have every year.
38:55
Speaker 7: It was a good buck meal, and my mom and
38:58
Speaker 7: dad were there, my brother and his girlfriend, and my grandma.
39:00
Speaker 7: So it's a really beautiful evening. The snow was falling,
39:04
Speaker 7: and I asked my mother if I could be excused
39:06
Speaker 7: from the table, and instead of going upstairs to lie down,
39:09
Speaker 7: I slipped out of the front door, past the Christmas
39:11
Speaker 7: tree that was up, and into the coldest, darkest, iciest
39:14
Speaker 7: night of the year. And to tell you how effective
39:15
Speaker 7: grooming is, I was a child who was really quite
39:18
Speaker 7: scared of the dark, hated the cold with a passion,
39:21
Speaker 7: and never went outside alone after dark. Yet completely out
39:24
Speaker 7: of my character, I walked out of that front door
39:27
Speaker 7: and didn't take my coat. I left the door open
39:29
Speaker 7: just a little bit because I was planning on coming
39:31
Speaker 7: right back through it and out into my neighborhood, and
39:34
Speaker 7: this is my neighborhood and it should be safe. And
39:38
Speaker 7: again it was beautiful. The snow was untouched, and there
39:41
Speaker 7: were Christmas lights in the windows, and it was a
39:44
Speaker 7: really beautiful, quiet, peaceful night, which soon became my hell.
39:49
Speaker 7: I walked up the street just about a block or so,
39:51
Speaker 7: and if I turned around, I could still.
39:52
Speaker 8: See my house.
39:54
Speaker 7: So I thought, okay, well there's my house. I must
39:57
Speaker 7: be safe again. Neighborhood, this is my familiar. Finally, this
40:01
Speaker 7: little voice spoke up in my head, my intuition, which
40:04
Speaker 7: I ask everybody to listen to and to teach your
40:07
Speaker 7: children to listen, to pay attention to it, because it
40:10
Speaker 7: is there for a reason. I heard this little boy say, Alicia,
40:13
Speaker 7: this is dangerous. Go home now. And I turned around
40:16
Speaker 7: and next thing I know is in a car, and
40:19
Speaker 7: this man was squeezing my hand so tightly that I
40:21
Speaker 7: thought he had broken it, and he was barking commands
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Speaker 7: at me, be good, be quiet. The trunks cleaned out
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Speaker 7: for you. He showed me that he had handcuffs. And
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Speaker 7: people ask me, when did you know that you were
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Speaker 7: in danger? When did you become afraid? And it was
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Speaker 7: absolutely immediately I knew that I was no longer in
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Speaker 7: control of my life.
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Speaker 1: And then the story, believe it or not, gets worse.
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Speaker 7: He just continued to drive, and there were told booth
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Speaker 7: after told booth, and I can remember the sound of
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Speaker 7: the car stopping at this house, and the car stopped,
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Speaker 7: and he rushed out of the car, came to the
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Speaker 7: other side and dragged me out into this house down
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Speaker 7: a flight of stairs which felt like they went on
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Speaker 7: forever and ever and ever, and that they were descent
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Speaker 7: into hell, and that's exactly what they were. He got
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Speaker 7: to the bottom of the stairs and there was a
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Speaker 7: door with a padlock on it. He unlocked the door,
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Speaker 7: pushed me inside, picked me up like I weighed absolutely nothing,
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Speaker 7: propped me up on this table, forced me to look
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Speaker 7: at him, and said this is going to be really
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Speaker 7: hard for you. It's okay to cry. And then he
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Speaker 7: turned on the lights and this room was blanketed. These
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Speaker 7: walls were blanketed with these devices that I certainly couldn't understand,
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Speaker 7: but that they were there to torture somebody, and that
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Speaker 7: somebody was me. And this has been called by the
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Speaker 7: media a dungeon, and again that's what it was. After that,
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Speaker 7: he removed my clothing and placed a locking dog collar
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Speaker 7: around my neck with another padlock. And then that was
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Speaker 7: the first night that he roused me. After he read me,
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Speaker 7: he reached down, grabbed a chain attached to the collar,
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Speaker 7: and then fell asleep.
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Speaker 2: Back to Titanya Jordan joining US Chief Parent Officer Bart
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Speaker 2: Parental Controls, I've got so many more true life narratives
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Speaker 2: about children being lured online. Please help us, Titania. What
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Speaker 2: can we as parents do?
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Speaker 6: The first thing you can do, the best free tip
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Speaker 6: I have for anybody, is to keep connected tech out
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Speaker 6: of your children's bedrooms, out from behind closed doors. The
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Speaker 6: second thing I would say is, please do not assume
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Speaker 6: not my child. It could happen to any child, the
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Speaker 6: smartest children, the most loved children. It can happen to
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Speaker 6: any child. So your child needs to know they can
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Speaker 6: come to you with anything dangerous or confusing online and
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Speaker 6: you're not going to freak out, but you will help
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Speaker 6: them navigate the landscape. That is the axis you have
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Speaker 6: given them, which is the entire world. Now you don't
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Speaker 6: have to give them access to the entire world. There
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Speaker 6: are safer pieces of tech out there. There are parental
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Speaker 6: controls like bark. You don't have to give your child
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Speaker 6: an open iPhone. For example, you can go with a
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Speaker 6: safer smartphone for a child that lets you set parental
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Speaker 6: controls and time limits. And please, please please do not
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Speaker 6: just hand over tech to your child and think they'll
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Speaker 6: be okay. You have to do the work. You have
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Speaker 6: to be the parent when.
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Speaker 2: You're talking about parental controls. Believe it or not, a
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Speaker 2: lot of people don't know how to find them.
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Speaker 1: They're not tech savvy, nor should they be. Why should
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Speaker 1: they be.
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Speaker 2: You know, Titanya, Moms and dads all over the country,
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Speaker 2: all over the world are working all day. They're coming home,
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Speaker 2: they're trying to put a meal on the table or yeah,
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Speaker 2: and just holding it together. If you say find the
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Speaker 2: parental controls, are like, what what is she saying?
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Speaker 1: Explain it?
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Speaker 6: Yes, okay. So, thankfully, because of AI, the ability to
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Speaker 6: turn on parental controls is much easier. So go to Google,
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Speaker 6: go to chat, GPT, go to Claude and say, hey,
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Speaker 6: my child has this type of phone, uses this app,
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Speaker 6: or wants to has this gaming console. We have this
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Speaker 6: home in our net service provider. Help me give me
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Speaker 6: a step by step guide for how to turn on
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Speaker 6: the parental controls from my household, and it should give
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Speaker 6: you step by step by step by step. Now it
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Speaker 6: won't always be one hundred percent accurate, but the bottom
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Speaker 6: line is ask your preferred search engine how to turn
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Speaker 6: on the perntal controls for the things your child actually uses,
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Speaker 6: and before that, don't be afraid to delay. Delay is
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Speaker 6: the way. They don't have to have Snapchat in sixth grade.
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Speaker 6: They don't have to have a smartphone in eighth grade.
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Speaker 6: You are the parent. You are in control and if
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Speaker 6: and when it's time for your child to access certain things,
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Speaker 6: look up what is the safest way for my child
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Speaker 6: to use xyz? The safest way for my child to text?
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Speaker 6: The best way to track their location? Use search to
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Speaker 6: your advantage and be empowered that you are not alone
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Speaker 6: and making safer choices.
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Speaker 1: Titania Jordan, You're amazing. Thank you for any and all advice. Guys.
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Speaker 2: Also, we are releasing a one on one with Titania
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Speaker 2: for she gives us a tutorial going through all the
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Speaker 2: ways you can keep your children safe online. And now
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Speaker 2: we remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Adam Davis Bell
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Speaker 2: County Sheriffs, Texas. He passed away in the line of
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Speaker 2: duty and leaves behind grieving parents Carlos and Guadalupe, and
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Speaker 2: son Lance, American hero Sheriff Adam Davis. Thank you to
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Speaker 2: our guests, but especially to you for being with us tonight.
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Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off, but I'll see you tomorrow night,
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Speaker 2: and until then, good night friend,