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Cult Mom Lori Vallow Bombshell: Tammy Daybell Death ASPHYXIATION · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece cult mom Lorie Valo. Does
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Speaker 1: it never end with this woman? All right? First we
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Speaker 1: have her two children, JJ entirely ages seven and sixteen,
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Speaker 1: just turned sixteen. They go missing, and what does mommy do?
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Speaker 1: Put up missing flyers and posters, scan the area, beg
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Speaker 1: for help, make TV appeals to help find her children.
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Speaker 1: Know she skips town. She first proops all of their
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Speaker 1: belongings into storage that she hasn't thrown away, then skips
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Speaker 1: town with her new boyfriend, Chad day Belle the Prophet.
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Speaker 1: They head to Hawaii for a beach wedding. She wears
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Speaker 1: the dress and the ring that she coincidentally bought just
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Speaker 1: before his wife, Tammy Day Bell died in her sleep.
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Speaker 1: Either they're guilty of Tammy's murder or they're clairvoyant. That's
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Speaker 1: just me, my speculation, But now renewed interest in the
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Speaker 1: cause of day Belle's wife, Tammy day Belle's death. He
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Speaker 1: told police she died peacefully in her sleep. Excuse me.
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Speaker 1: She was healthy as a horse, she was competing in
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Speaker 1: a marathon. She was young, she was in her forties,
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Speaker 1: her whole life in front of her. Die in her sleep.
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Speaker 1: Now the autopsy report revealing she died of asphyxiation. I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and series X one
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Speaker 1: eleven and take a listen first to our France at
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Speaker 1: Katie v K. The day Bells told CBS that Chad
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Speaker 1: woke up frantic that morning when he discovered Tammy was dead.
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Speaker 1: They said it was their decision not Chads to buy
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Speaker 1: past the autopsy. They claimed the forty nine year old
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Speaker 1: was in quote failing health. She would get out of
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Speaker 1: breath very quickly and would get very tired, and she
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Speaker 1: started going to bed very early at night. According to
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Speaker 1: newspapers in Idaho, Chad told Tammy's father that she went
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Speaker 1: to bed with a terrible cough. Respiratory diseases are associated
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Speaker 1: with asphyxia, sleep Bathman's associated with asphyxia. So you know,
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Speaker 1: if you absolutely bathmia, how many people stop reading for
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Speaker 1: a little while. Doctor Franklovechio, a medical toxicologist, says that
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Speaker 1: asphyxia is a general term that usually means there's a
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Speaker 1: lack of oxygen. He says it can be caused by
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Speaker 1: something you and jest or inhale, including opiates, or from choking.
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Speaker 1: Is somebody going out on a lamb and saying that
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Speaker 1: this deeply religious woman asphyxiated because she was high on heroin.
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Speaker 1: Because I don't really believe that with me an all
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Speaker 1: star parliament. First, let me go to our friend and colleague,
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton has been on the story from the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: He's a news director at East Idaho News dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Nate really opiates what's next A piano fell, honor Well
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Speaker 1: the other team, Nancy. That I want to say is
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Speaker 1: that just two weeks before Tammy died, she spent time
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Speaker 1: by herself with her family members, and they have all
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Speaker 1: told me that she was just fine. She was healthy,
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Speaker 1: She was not complaining of being in ill health. She
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Speaker 1: drove seven eight hours to be with her family members
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Speaker 1: by herself. So this talk that she wasn't feeling well,
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Speaker 1: that she was going to bed earlier, No one outside
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Speaker 1: of the immediate family was saying anything like this, And
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Speaker 1: I don't get it. You know, I need you. Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon starm a
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Speaker 1: great hit series. I think you have a special episode
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Speaker 1: dropping today Joe Scott Morgan Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, I'm
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Speaker 1: hearing heroin as the possibility. You hear Nate eight and
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Speaker 1: describing a seven to eight hour drives she just took
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Speaker 1: on her own. Family was with her two weeks before.
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Speaker 1: All of that should factor in to the autopsy report decision.
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Speaker 1: But I never really associate asphyxia with being tired when
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Speaker 1: you go up the steps and out of breath. That
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Speaker 1: doesn't compute for me. No, it doesn't. You're not afraid
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Speaker 1: to tell me I'm wrong, are you, Joe Scott? Never?
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Speaker 1: Because if I am telling me so, I don't repeat
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Speaker 1: the same mistake over. I'll tell you you're wrong. I
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Speaker 1: guarantee you that in this case, you're not. I gotta
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Speaker 1: say this. You know, anytime you hear asphyxia, it's got
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Speaker 1: a nefarious undertone to it. But what about a medical examiner.
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Speaker 1: They may not feel that way. Well, what medical examiner
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Speaker 1: in this case? Because an autopsy wasn't performed for a
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Speaker 1: long long time, after all the evidence has gone and
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Speaker 1: that's the tragedy in this Nancy. But Ultimately it was decided.
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Speaker 1: Was it not, Nate eten that it was asphyxia as
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Speaker 1: the cod cause of death? How was that determined? Ate?
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Speaker 1: Because Jess Scott's right. The family. Now you hear in
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Speaker 1: that last sound I played for you, Thank you, Jackie.
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Speaker 1: The sound said that the family, the children decided not
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Speaker 1: to have an autopsy. A mommy who just mysteriously dies
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Speaker 1: in her sleep. Oh hell no, I would want to
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Speaker 1: know what happened. But they're not the ultimate decision makers.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that true? David Leroy Davey joining me out of
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Speaker 1: Boise He former Idaho attorney general. Wow, it's not like
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Speaker 1: this is your first murder case. Former Idaho Attorney General,
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Speaker 1: Lieutenant governor, prosecutor. Wow. You can find him at d
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Speaker 1: leroy dot com. Isn't it the husband the next of
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Speaker 1: ki And if the husband is deceased or you're divorced,
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Speaker 1: then you go to your child. But this was all
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bell's decision not to do an autopsy. I
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Speaker 1: don't care who's taken the fall this morning or if
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Speaker 1: she didn't make the decision. He set up the facts
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Speaker 1: that caused the locally elected coroner to make the decision
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Speaker 1: not all of our coroners in Idawa's forty four counties
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Speaker 1: are sophisticated in these matters. And whether he made the decision,
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Speaker 1: deferred from the county coroner, or convinced the county corner,
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Speaker 1: it was Chad's adventure solely. Now, when it looks like
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Speaker 1: a death by natural causes, David Leroy, if it looks
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Speaker 1: like a duck, it walks like a duck, it quacks
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Speaker 1: like a duck, it is a duck. So if the
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Speaker 1: circumstances are told to the coroner, who may or may
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Speaker 1: not be a medical doctor, they're elected, I think, or appointed.
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Speaker 1: If the coroner says, okay, yet natural cause is based
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Speaker 1: on what you're telling me, we don't need an autopsy.
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Speaker 1: Can't the next of ken ask for an autopsy, or
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Speaker 1: anybody can ask for one? But again it's the coroner's call.
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Speaker 1: And in Idaho, any suspicious, unattended death not under the
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Speaker 1: care of a medical doctor does get an examination by
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Speaker 1: that coroner. So obviously somebody missed some signals or somebody
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Speaker 1: was crossly inappropriately misled in this case. Okay, hold on
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Speaker 1: just a second, David Leroy, will you say those last
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Speaker 1: three sentences again about an unattended death results in autopsy
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Speaker 1: in your jurisdiction. No, it doesn't result in an autopsy.
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Speaker 1: It results in the corner making an examination and making
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Speaker 1: a decision. It can result in an autopsy, but it's
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Speaker 1: the coroner's call, exclusively. Coroner's call, exclusively. Guys, you were
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Speaker 1: just hearing our friends at kat VK three. I'll take
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Speaker 1: a listen again to Kim Powell. Tammy died in her
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Speaker 1: sleep in October twenty nineteen, and her kids told police.
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Speaker 1: State didn't want an autopsy done, and she was buried
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Speaker 1: in her hometown in Utah. Then two months later her
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Speaker 1: body had to be exhuomed. Now, the five day Belled
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Speaker 1: children told CBS News they were told she died of asphyxia,
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Speaker 1: but they're still not convinced their dad had anything to
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Speaker 1: do with it. On October ninth, Tammy day Bell posted
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Speaker 1: this on Facebook saying a guy in a ski mask
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Speaker 1: tried to shoot at her in her driveway outside of Rexburg, Idaho.
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Speaker 1: Ten days later, she died in her sleep and was
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Speaker 1: buried without an autopsy, and two weeks after that, her
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Speaker 1: husband of nearly thirty years, Chad day Bell, married Laurie Vallo.
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Speaker 1: Eventually investigators revealed they believed Alex Cox, Laurie's brother, was
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Speaker 1: that masked gunman at the end of Tammy's driveway. You know,
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Speaker 1: the masked gunman at the end of the driveway. That's
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Speaker 1: a whole another can of worms, which we are going
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Speaker 1: to get into. Nate eight and joining from East Idees
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Speaker 1: dot Com. Tell me about the whole exhimation process. Why
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Speaker 1: did that happen? Was there an octope after the exhimation
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Speaker 1: and that's how we know the cod was asphyxiation. Then
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to you, Joe Scott, so you
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Speaker 1: can tell me what that means. And regular people talk
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Speaker 1: hit at night. Well, Tammy died October twenty nineteen, three
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Speaker 1: months later in December in Utah. It was an early
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Speaker 1: early Saturday morning. The investigators went in, they exsumed her body.
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Speaker 1: She was back in the ground within a matter of hours.
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Speaker 1: An autopsy was completed. They did not release the information
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Speaker 1: that the autopsy was done for a year and a half.
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Speaker 1: Now I want to make it clear they have not
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Speaker 1: officially released the autopsy results. Chad kids have gone on
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Speaker 1: television and said what they've been told, And I have
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Speaker 1: sources close to the investigation that confirmed. They confirm it
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Speaker 1: was affixiation. A lot of people thought she was poisoned,
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Speaker 1: that there was some other, you know, nefarious way in
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Speaker 1: which she died, But multiple sources are saying it was
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Speaker 1: affixiation and that's what the children say. Investigators told them. So. Yes,
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Speaker 1: she was in the ground for three months before they
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Speaker 1: resumed her body and did the autopsy. Nate Eaton, do
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Speaker 1: we have any idea about the manner of death? She
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Speaker 1: died of asphyxiation, lack of oxygen? Was it manual or
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Speaker 1: ligature's triangulation? Was there the popping of the particularly in
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Speaker 1: the eyeball or their marks on the neck? Was a
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Speaker 1: pillow put over her head? And Joe Scott, you've got
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Speaker 1: to explain to us all how we were able to
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Speaker 1: tell the difference from a dead body. So is there
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Speaker 1: anything in an autopsy report you can tell us about,
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton as two manner of death. No, they have
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Speaker 1: not released any of that. But what I can tell
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Speaker 1: you is that the night Tanny died, Alex Cox was
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Speaker 1: parked at a church two miles from the house. They
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Speaker 1: have pinned his cell phone. He was in that church
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Speaker 1: parking lot. So I believe that they're going to focus
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Speaker 1: on the fact that he was somehow involved with Chat
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Speaker 1: and Laurie in making this happen. Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: I love to say, when you don't know a horse,
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Speaker 1: look at his trick record. There is Lori Valo's brother,
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Speaker 1: Alex Cox, appearing at so many deaths. He's the one
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Speaker 1: that took JJ out of the home. Everybody correct me
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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, because there's so many facts to digest.
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Speaker 1: He's the one that took seven year old JJ out
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Speaker 1: of the home and his pj's. His body found later
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Speaker 1: wrapped in duct tape in the same pj's. I pray
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Speaker 1: to God they can get some type of fiber hair
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Speaker 1: or epiphilial cell evidence off that duct tape linking back
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Speaker 1: to Alex Cox. So you've got him connected to JJ.
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Speaker 1: You have him Alex Cox, as I recall in the
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Speaker 1: photo the last known photo of JJ Entailly where they're
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Speaker 1: taken to a national park just before their death. You
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Speaker 1: also have him gunning down and a false case of
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Speaker 1: self defense, one of the many husbands of cult mom
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Speaker 1: Laurie Vallo. So somehow he mysteriously appears when people drop dead,
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Speaker 1: and here he is pinging two miles away in an
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Speaker 1: empty parking lot. The same night, Tammy day Bell mysteriously
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Speaker 1: dies in her sleep by asphyxiation. Before I go to you,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, hold all those medical thoughts, all those
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Speaker 1: death investigator thoughts, I want to go out to special
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Speaker 1: guests joining us in addition to David Leroy, Dotor, Sherry Schwartz,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Nate Eaton, Leah Stilli. Leah is journalist
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Speaker 1: author of When the Moon Turns to Blood, Lorie Valo,
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bell, and a Story of Murder, Wild Faith
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Speaker 1: and in Times. But that's just one of her twelve books.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Leah Stilli dot com, Leah
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Speaker 1: Avenging Angel. Alex Cox, I call him a massive murderer,
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Speaker 1: But what do you make of it? Well, when you
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Speaker 1: were just speaking about him, I was just thinking, don't
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Speaker 1: forget that. Alex Cox also teased Lorie Valo's third husband,
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Speaker 1: who then was found dead leader Thank you. No investigators
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Speaker 1: have looked into that death again. But yeah, I mean
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Speaker 1: he was Joseph Ryan. It does the brain exactly. And
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Speaker 1: you know, Alexe Cox and Marie Vello have a really
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Speaker 1: inordinate and not normal amount of dead people around them,
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Speaker 1: and it's very strange. What do you make of the
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Speaker 1: determination of asphyxia as a cod cause of death for
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Speaker 1: Tammy day bo I mean, please, I don't have to
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Speaker 1: be a medical AMiner to figure out that. Lorie Valo,
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Speaker 1: using her husband's credit card hello his Amazon account, buys
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Speaker 1: her wedding dress will wait wait for it, and she
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Speaker 1: types in beach b e ac H correct me if
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, night eight, and I'm sure you will beach
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Speaker 1: wedding dress. And then they go to Hawaii and they
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Speaker 1: have a beach wedding two weeks after she orders a dress,
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Speaker 1: after Tammy day Bale dies in her sleep. I don't
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Speaker 1: need a medical degree to figure that out. You're eternally well.
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Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting because I think the story
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Speaker 1: of what happened to Tammy, you know, starts fracturing almost
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Speaker 1: immediately after she died. You know, you have this sort
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Speaker 1: of what I like to call the sump in the
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Speaker 1: night story that the children have told that you know,
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there was a sump in the
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Speaker 1: other room, and then she was half in the bed,
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Speaker 1: half out of it and just died suddenly. So strange.
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Speaker 1: But then you know. Chad was also telling story on
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Speaker 1: the website another voice of warning, saying she died peacefully
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Speaker 1: in her sleep. She had sort of smile on her face.
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Speaker 1: I can't believe I didn't wake up in the night
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Speaker 1: to hear her. So these tales of what happened to her.
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Speaker 1: Almost immediately we're not gelling up. They want to follow
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Speaker 1: up on something you just said. Doctor Sherry Schwartz is
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Speaker 1: joining me. Forensic psychologist. I know, David Leroy, you're gonna
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Speaker 1: want in on this. Doctor Sherry Schwartz is, I said,
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Speaker 1: forensic psychologists specializing in and this is the name of
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Speaker 1: one of her books, where a law in psychology intersect.
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Speaker 1: She's also the author of Criminal Behavior. You can find
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Speaker 1: her at panthermitigation dot com. Doctor Sherry, I love it
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Speaker 1: when someone changes their story. I don't mean adding facts,
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Speaker 1: because when I would have a witness on the stand
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Speaker 1: and they would add a fact, I would blame that
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Speaker 1: on the prior questioner. They didn't ask the right questions,
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Speaker 1: they didn't ask enough questions. They didn't know about enough
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Speaker 1: about the material to ask detailed questions. So it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I saw the wreck, and then upon further questioning, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I saw the wreck, but this guy was speeding and
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Speaker 1: cut in front of the other guy. And then the
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Speaker 1: next time, yeah, this car was red and that one
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Speaker 1: was blue. And upon next questioning, yeah, I went to
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Speaker 1: the scene. I walked over and the driver was drunk
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Speaker 1: as a skunk. See, if you don't ask all that
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Speaker 1: the first time, the story is embellished. But here we've
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Speaker 1: got two very different stories. She died peacefully in her
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Speaker 1: sleep with a smile on her face, But the children
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Speaker 1: say there was a big thump and she was half
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Speaker 1: in and half out of the bed. That doesn't go together,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry, No, it certainly doesn't. This is inconsistent. And
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Speaker 1: it's also very troubling to me that he feels the
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Speaker 1: need to say, oh, no, she went peacefully. She died
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Speaker 1: with a smile on her face, almost like, you know,
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Speaker 1: don't look too closely at this because there's nothing to
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Speaker 1: see here. Everything is good. She's gone now, My life
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Speaker 1: is good, you know. And wasn't there over four hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars life insurance policy that he cashed in on?
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Speaker 1: What about at night? Yeah. The same day that Tyley
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Speaker 1: was last seen at Yellowstone, Chad finned an application to
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Speaker 1: increase Tammy's life insurance to the maximum amount allowed under
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Speaker 1: the policy, four hundred and thirty thousand dollars. He then
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Speaker 1: tells Tammy that he had a vision that her grandfather
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Speaker 1: came to him while he was working outside that she
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Speaker 1: needed to go see her family by herself, and that
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Speaker 1: they needed to spend time together. And meanwhile, he's telling
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Speaker 1: the other group that are in you know, his little
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Speaker 1: religious group, that Tammy's going to die in a car accident,
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Speaker 1: so they got the life insurance policy. He sends Tammy
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Speaker 1: to go see the family. He's telling people she's going
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Speaker 1: to die in the car crash. She returns home safe
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Speaker 1: and sound, then dies in her sleep two weeks later. Okay,
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Speaker 1: right now, I could just go ahead and make my
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Speaker 1: summation to the jury. David Leroy. David Leroy is no
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Speaker 1: stranger to a courtroom attorney at law Boise, former Idaho
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Speaker 1: Attorney General, former lieutenant governor, blah blah blah. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's so much about him I can't even read at all.
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Speaker 1: David Leroy could just when a criminal defendant turns clairvoyant.
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Speaker 1: Nothing can make me happier, nothing, I'll answer. You may
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Speaker 1: be a little premature in your summation, because you must
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Speaker 1: anticipate that the defense will argue that a certain amount
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Speaker 1: of inconsistency is a hallmark of human truth in testimony,
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Speaker 1: Sometimes a little defects of recollection jump in there, some
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Speaker 1: kind thumps in the night have no relationship to what
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Speaker 1: is actually going on. But you certainly have an argument
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Speaker 1: that clairvoyance is going to be a proper lematic for
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Speaker 1: the defense in this case. And we have seen it before.
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Speaker 1: Do I have to say? It actually makes my mouth hurt?
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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson because just before Lacy Peterson goes missing with
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Speaker 1: her unborn son Connor, there later what they look wash
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Speaker 1: up at the San Francisco Bay where Scott Peterson was
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Speaker 1: fishing the day they go missing. Remember how he told
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Speaker 1: Amber Fry, his then mistress, who I ain't me and
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Speaker 1: it's a really nice person. Ps. He tells Amber Fry, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is going to be my first Christmas without my wife.
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Speaker 1: She died and then poof, she died. So either he
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Speaker 1: was clairvoyant or he is a killer. And here we've
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Speaker 1: gotten Nate Eaton. Coincidentally, on the day he ups his
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Speaker 1: life insurance policy to nearly half a million dollars on
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Speaker 1: his wife. He makes multiple clairvoyant predictions that she's going
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Speaker 1: to she needs to go visit her family now before
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Speaker 1: it's too late, sending her on an eight hour drive
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Speaker 1: by herself, and then reveals she's gonna die, and it
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Speaker 1: all came true. What about it, Nate, Well, not only
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Speaker 1: that you mentioned earlier in the show, Nancy, that the
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Speaker 1: gunman that showed up at her driveway that police later
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Speaker 1: say was Alex he thought it was She thought it
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Speaker 1: was a paintball gunman shooting at her. Well, it turns
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Speaker 1: out that around that time, investigators have Alex Cox practicing
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Speaker 1: how to shoot a gun at a gun range and
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Speaker 1: going to sportsman's warehouse and buying specific type of ammunition
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Speaker 1: and researching, excuse me, how to shoot these guns. So
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Speaker 1: they've got all of this evidence, They've got all of this,
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Speaker 1: you know, things on camera, things like that lead up
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Speaker 1: through these critical weeks up until Tammy's death. I can
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Speaker 1: tell you what's going to happen. He's going to be
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Speaker 1: the scapegoat at child. They're going to blame Alex Cox
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Speaker 1: because he's dead. To Leah Sotilli, journalist and author, off
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Speaker 1: when the moon turns to Blood, Lorie Valo Chad day
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Speaker 1: Bell on the story of Murder, Wild Fate and End Times.
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Speaker 1: Can I talk to you about the thump in the
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Speaker 1: night and Tammy day Bell half in and half out
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Speaker 1: of her bed? Could you elaborate on what you know? Well,
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Speaker 1: it's a bizarre it's a very bizarre story. I think
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Speaker 1: that just sounds strange. When Garth day Bell and his
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Speaker 1: siblings told the story on forty eight Hours, it was
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Speaker 1: it struck me as very odd that all of a
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Speaker 1: sudden he tells a story that he hears as something
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Speaker 1: the other room, and Chad yells for him to come
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Speaker 1: in and help, and he sees his mother, you know,
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Speaker 1: half in, half out of the bed, and Chad pacing
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Speaker 1: around the room, supposedly pointing at pictures on the wall
22:01
Speaker 1: of their family, saying, how is this? How? How could
22:04
Speaker 1: we you know, lose her? How is she gone? I
22:07
Speaker 1: can't believe it. It's just a very odd story, and
22:11
Speaker 1: it's it's never quite set right with me, and I
22:13
Speaker 1: think anyone covering this case. But then to compare that
22:17
Speaker 1: with Chad's own words saying that you know, she just
22:20
Speaker 1: died so peacefully. These are just such disparate stories being
22:24
Speaker 1: told that you can't help but question it right away.
22:27
Speaker 1: So Lea's attilie. Is it correct that the children go
22:30
Speaker 1: in the room, there's a thump, she's half in, she's
22:32
Speaker 1: half out of the bed, and she's dead at that point,
22:35
Speaker 1: that's what from from what they discussed, that's what it
22:38
Speaker 1: sounded like. And then he goes off into a Shakespearean soliloquy,
22:43
Speaker 1: David Leroy, you're the trial lawyer, But what are you
22:46
Speaker 1: going to do with the case like that? Because I
22:48
Speaker 1: had a case like that. Fyi. A millionaire in Atlanta
22:54
Speaker 1: totally murdered his wife and he bashed her in the head,
22:58
Speaker 1: then tried to burn the house down with the cop
23:00
Speaker 1: scot there he was lying romanesque, lying on the lawn
23:04
Speaker 1: across the street. The cops the fire people race up
23:08
Speaker 1: to him. He starts talking about what he thinks started
23:11
Speaker 1: the fire, and then he goes, oh, yeah, my wife's
23:14
Speaker 1: in there anyway. At the hospital, he has this big soliloquy,
23:20
Speaker 1: a monologue that he preaches out over her deathbed. I
23:26
Speaker 1: was so happy anyway. It sounds like the same thing here.
23:31
Speaker 1: Don't you love the soliloquies and the dramatization over somebody's deathbed. Well,
23:38
Speaker 1: we all know that people experience things differently and react. Please, Oh,
23:44
Speaker 1: I'm sure that there will be some attempt to distinguish
23:48
Speaker 1: the two stories. So perhaps she had just slipped out
23:53
Speaker 1: of bed while she was having trouble breathing, was put
23:55
Speaker 1: back on, etc. Etc. And somehow these two has got
24:00
Speaker 1: disconnected in time. Yeah, okay, good luck with that, guys.
24:06
Speaker 1: Of course the whole family blames Laurie Valo. But before
24:10
Speaker 1: I get to call it mom, Laurie Valo, I want
24:13
Speaker 1: to talk to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator who
24:17
Speaker 1: has researched and studied the death of Tammy day Bell.
24:23
Speaker 1: Don't you remember at some point Chad day Bell claimed
24:27
Speaker 1: that there was a froth mixture, a liquidy, airy froth
24:33
Speaker 1: coming from her mouth. What do you make of that?
24:35
Speaker 1: And what do you make of cod cause of asphyxiation?
24:39
Speaker 1: And how are we going to tell if it was
24:41
Speaker 1: Emmanuel literature smothering or she just choked in her sleep
24:45
Speaker 1: on what our tooth? Yeah, we got to go back
24:48
Speaker 1: to October nineteenth, that morning when she was found and
24:51
Speaker 1: it actually, and this even makes this even more intriguing,
24:56
Speaker 1: it wasn't actually chat that made that assessment. It was
24:59
Speaker 1: the daughter that witnessed her mother there and said that
25:03
Speaker 1: she had froth coming either from her nose or her mouth.
25:06
Speaker 1: She actually related this to neighbors. And I think this
25:11
Speaker 1: is quite fascinating because this is something that we see
25:15
Speaker 1: and many times folks at home can look this up.
25:17
Speaker 1: It's referred to as a frothy edemitus cone. And we
25:22
Speaker 1: see this in cases of heroin O D anything that
25:27
Speaker 1: suppresses the respiratory system. We see it in drowning. Many
25:31
Speaker 1: times you will actually see this present when you take
25:34
Speaker 1: the body out of the water. It's quite fascinating to witness.
25:38
Speaker 1: And then we'll also see it in various asphyxial deaths
25:44
Speaker 1: where you're talking about manual strangulations. You see it a
25:46
Speaker 1: lot in hangings, and what it's an indication of is
25:50
Speaker 1: that the lungs are heavily congested. That means that they're
25:53
Speaker 1: being compromised their ability to uptake oxygen, and so it's pink.
25:58
Speaker 1: Many times it's a pink color. And I'm really wondering
26:01
Speaker 1: in this particular case, is that what you're about to say? No, no, no,
26:05
Speaker 1: We've heard this thing about asphyxia and it's kind of,
26:08
Speaker 1: you know, kind of seeped out, you know, into this narrative.
26:12
Speaker 1: Even though the m down in Utah has yet to
26:16
Speaker 1: make this comment, I'm wondering if they're correlating their data
26:20
Speaker 1: that they're finding there at that exhimation with this comment
26:25
Speaker 1: that was made by the daughter, did they actually because
26:28
Speaker 1: let's remember, let's remember this as as as as our
26:33
Speaker 1: colleague mentioned just a moment ago, this was the coroner's decision,
26:37
Speaker 1: nobody else's. She could have easily have gone in drawn
26:40
Speaker 1: blood and not done an autopsy. But she failed to
26:43
Speaker 1: do that, Okay, And you could have had talks. You
26:46
Speaker 1: ain't got talks to fall back on now, because body's
26:49
Speaker 1: been in balmb body's been in the ground. What you're
26:52
Speaker 1: looking for our physical findings. We're talking about Petikui eyes
26:56
Speaker 1: a little ruptured. Aren't the eyes removed as part of
27:00
Speaker 1: the burial process? No no, no, no, no, no no no,
27:04
Speaker 1: they're not removed. They are not now. They're glued shut
27:07
Speaker 1: many times. But that's that doesn't inhibit our ability to
27:10
Speaker 1: examine the su the tiny blood vessels in the eyeball. Yeah,
27:15
Speaker 1: and also the strap muscles of the neck. Nancy, you
27:17
Speaker 1: can look in those areas around the neck. If there's
27:20
Speaker 1: any focal areas of hemorrhage there, you can pick up
27:22
Speaker 1: on that. Whether they are visible to the naked eye
27:25
Speaker 1: or not they're bruising, can be yeah if they are.
27:28
Speaker 1: But you know the thing about embalming, what's really cool
27:31
Speaker 1: is it freezes all that stuff in time. You've lost
27:33
Speaker 1: the blood, but you know these physical manifestations that we
27:37
Speaker 1: look for as for as trauma stuff doesn't go away.
27:53
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, I want to talk about
28:01
Speaker 1: the possibility and I'm getting this from one of the
28:06
Speaker 1: children stating that there was a type of foamy substance
28:11
Speaker 1: coming from either her mouth or her nose that can
28:17
Speaker 1: happen when you have a suppressed respiratory system. What does
28:24
Speaker 1: that mean? Suppressed respiratory system? Could she have been given
28:28
Speaker 1: an od of benadrial, an od of NyQuil that suppressed
28:33
Speaker 1: her system, that made it easier for her to die?
28:38
Speaker 1: What about that? Joe Scott. Yeah, there's any number of
28:41
Speaker 1: agents that can be applied. There are actually certain rape
28:44
Speaker 1: drugs that can be applied, you know, things like we're
28:46
Speaker 1: hibbanol and GHB and those sorts of things. Gama HYDROXB
28:50
Speaker 1: to eight. Yes, yeah, and anything you know, any kind
28:52
Speaker 1: of opiate, whether it's you know, kind of a naturally
28:55
Speaker 1: occurring like a morphine type thing or a synthetic opiate.
29:01
Speaker 1: You know that's out there, those types of things. If
29:03
Speaker 1: you're odd, But how are you going to apply what
29:06
Speaker 1: we were saying earlier? And everybody please jump in with
29:10
Speaker 1: your thoughts. This is exactly how cases are created and presented.
29:16
Speaker 1: If the attorney is worth their salt, they discuss it
29:19
Speaker 1: with other attorneys or their investigator before they go up
29:22
Speaker 1: in front of a jury. Guys, this is a story
29:26
Speaker 1: as old as the Garden of Eden, where it's all
29:31
Speaker 1: eves fought. Well, I can't necessarily say that's entirely wrong
29:35
Speaker 1: in this case. Take a listen to our friend less
29:40
Speaker 1: Shrent at Inside Edition. How did the kids feel when
29:44
Speaker 1: their father remarried so soon after their mother's death. They were,
29:49
Speaker 1: like everyone else that was closely following this story, shocked.
29:53
Speaker 1: They had never heard the name Laurie Valo until she
29:57
Speaker 1: went by another name, step mom. They were very upset
30:01
Speaker 1: at first, but they have spent time with Lourie. They
30:04
Speaker 1: spent time with her, in fact, celebrating Thanksgiving. But they said,
30:07
Speaker 1: at no point were they aware of her two children? Yeah,
30:11
Speaker 1: because they're dead. And also our friend Jonathan and Bigliotti
30:16
Speaker 1: at Secrets of Chad day Bale's back yard on forty
30:20
Speaker 1: eight hours looking back? Was your father meeting Laurie marrying
30:24
Speaker 1: her the worst mistake of his life. Absolutely none of
30:28
Speaker 1: this would have happened if Laurie Valo had never come
30:33
Speaker 1: into my family's life. It's all her fault. I can't
30:38
Speaker 1: disagree that she had a heavy hand in it. But
30:42
Speaker 1: you know, what do you make of that, doctor Sherry
30:45
Speaker 1: Schwartz the children assisting none of this would have happened
30:49
Speaker 1: if she hadn't masterminded, if she hadn't made him do it.
30:53
Speaker 1: S Yes, yes it is Nancy, But I have to
30:57
Speaker 1: tell her from a victim of advocacy point of view,
31:01
Speaker 1: people I think need to really give these children some grace.
31:04
Speaker 1: They have lost their mother right shockingly. She's young and
31:08
Speaker 1: healthy otherwise, and now she's gone. Two weeks later, dad
31:12
Speaker 1: marries this woman that they've never heard of, they've never met,
31:15
Speaker 1: they don't know anything about the kids, and then bodies
31:19
Speaker 1: of children are found on their property, right you know
31:22
Speaker 1: they I'm sure we're not immune to the news coverage,
31:26
Speaker 1: and this is just a defense mechanism to trauma the denial.
31:30
Speaker 1: Agree Nan this, I completely agree with you. Go ahead,
31:33
Speaker 1: jump in, Nancy. This foreshadows the finger pointing that's going
31:36
Speaker 1: to occur during the trial, back and forth his fault
31:40
Speaker 1: or fault, etc. If they both go to trial. This
31:44
Speaker 1: is simply perhaps the first round of that. Guys, eggs
31:48
Speaker 1: deeper or take a listen to again Johnson Bigliotti at
31:52
Speaker 1: Our Friends forty eight hours? How did you process all
31:57
Speaker 1: of that? That was really hard and it really surprised us,
32:01
Speaker 1: and it was clear that he already had an emotional
32:04
Speaker 1: connection with her. I know this is a difficult question,
32:08
Speaker 1: but was your father having an affair with Lorie while
32:11
Speaker 1: he was married to your mother? That depends on your
32:14
Speaker 1: definition of affair. Emotionally, I would say yes that physically,
32:18
Speaker 1: I think my father thought he was in the right
32:22
Speaker 1: because I haven't had sex with her, so I'm being faithful.
32:27
Speaker 1: M M isn't sure, you Nate at and you and
32:30
Speaker 1: I discussed this on end off the camera. One of
32:33
Speaker 1: Chad Daybale's pickup lines. I can't say that it would
32:36
Speaker 1: appeal to me is that we lived in another life.
32:41
Speaker 1: We both been reincarnated, and I was your husband in
32:43
Speaker 1: a prior life, so we've already had sex, so might
32:46
Speaker 1: as well do it again. Yeah. He talked about multiple
32:48
Speaker 1: probations different states. Okay, could you please talk regular people
32:53
Speaker 1: talk multiple What multiple probations? Are you saying probation? Like
32:58
Speaker 1: you're sent us to five to two three three five
33:01
Speaker 1: on probation? Yeah, meaning period of time that we all
33:05
Speaker 1: his teachings, we all have multiple probations. And one of
33:08
Speaker 1: the first things he said to Laurie when they met is,
33:12
Speaker 1: we were married in a previous life of dear Lord
33:15
Speaker 1: in heaven frey space, and you were a goddess. You
33:18
Speaker 1: were a goddess. And by the way, you and I
33:21
Speaker 1: were supposed to lead the return of Jesus Christ with
33:24
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty four thousand people. Please do not
33:29
Speaker 1: drag Christ into a serial murder case. But I guess
33:35
Speaker 1: you already have. What did you just say about Christ?
33:38
Speaker 1: The return of Christ and one hundred forty four thousand saved.
33:41
Speaker 1: They believed that they were going to lead lead the
33:45
Speaker 1: return of Jesus Christ and that there would be tense
33:49
Speaker 1: that they would live in the middle of a village.
33:52
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, and there would be tense
33:54
Speaker 1: surrounding them, and that Christ would return to their village,
33:58
Speaker 1: their town, and they would be part of the second Coming.
34:02
Speaker 1: They would play a critical role in Christ's return. May
34:06
Speaker 1: I ask you what that has to do with the
34:08
Speaker 1: murderers of JJ Entily. Well, I would imagine that the
34:12
Speaker 1: prosecutors are going to argue that they needed to get
34:15
Speaker 1: rid of JJ Nentily, and they were telling others that
34:19
Speaker 1: they could fulfill their mission, so that this was part
34:22
Speaker 1: of it, that this was all part of it, and
34:23
Speaker 1: that because we all have these multiple lives, JJ Nentily's
34:28
Speaker 1: lives would continue on and they would see them again
34:30
Speaker 1: according to their teachings we did to Nate Eton before
34:33
Speaker 1: I moved further into their bizarre religious beliefs. I'm convinced
34:38
Speaker 1: that a prior attempt had been made on Tammy day
34:41
Speaker 1: Bell's life. You alluded to it earlier. A couple of
34:45
Speaker 1: weeks before she finally did die of asphyxiation in her
34:49
Speaker 1: own home, in bed with her husband, Chad day Bell,
34:53
Speaker 1: someone took a shot at her, a couple of shots.
34:57
Speaker 1: She thought it was a prank and that they were
35:00
Speaker 1: paintball bullets. Not real bullets. We now know for sure
35:07
Speaker 1: that the prankster was the so called Avenging Angel, Laurie
35:12
Speaker 1: Valla's brother, Alex Cox. In fact, Tammy Daville posted about
35:16
Speaker 1: the incident, not connecting any nefarious intent to it, on
35:21
Speaker 1: her Facebook. Correct. Do you remember that? Yeah, it was
35:26
Speaker 1: October ninth. She got home, it was dark. She said,
35:29
Speaker 1: she got out of the car and someone started firing
35:31
Speaker 1: at her. They were wearing a ski match. She said,
35:33
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And the person took off After
35:36
Speaker 1: she yelled for help from Chad. She went on Facebook
35:39
Speaker 1: to warn the neighbors. I mean, this is a very
35:41
Speaker 1: rural area, but she said, hey, just so you know,
35:43
Speaker 1: this weird experience happened. She actually called the police, They
35:46
Speaker 1: took a report, They talked it up to a prank,
35:49
Speaker 1: and then two weeks later she was dead. Question to you,
35:52
Speaker 1: Leah's Attilli, journalist and author of When the Moon Turns
35:55
Speaker 1: to Blood? How many deaths can we link to Alex Cox,
36:01
Speaker 1: Lorie Valo's brother. I mean, it's a it's a range.
36:04
Speaker 1: We've got the information from his cell phone that puts
36:08
Speaker 1: him in the Daybo backyard. Obviously, when when the children
36:12
Speaker 1: were likely buried there you have Charles Valo, Laurie's ex husband,
36:19
Speaker 1: UM in Arizona in his so called self defense shooting
36:23
Speaker 1: of him. Um, you've got potentially a connection to the
36:28
Speaker 1: death of her third husband, Joseph Bryan, who he had
36:32
Speaker 1: aggressively tasted and had gone to jail for that incident. Um,
36:37
Speaker 1: you've got this incident that we're discussing with Tammy Davil.
36:41
Speaker 1: So there there's a number of people who are around
36:45
Speaker 1: this brother, sister duo. Did you mention j j Entile? Yes, yeah, yeah,
36:50
Speaker 1: the found in the backyard. Now, I want to circle
36:53
Speaker 1: back to something David Leroy said earlier about the decision
36:58
Speaker 1: not to perform an autopsy on Tammy. We now know
37:01
Speaker 1: her death was by asphyxiation. Take a listen to our
37:05
Speaker 1: cut one our friend Spinster Blake at three TVCBS. Not
37:10
Speaker 1: long after Tammy da Bell died in her home in Salem, Idaho,
37:14
Speaker 1: in mid October, the Fremont County Sheriff's Office received a
37:18
Speaker 1: call from a detective in Arizona's going to be a
37:21
Speaker 1: camera A d. Bell. Oh yes, I was the one
37:23
Speaker 1: that actually took that call. So why from Arizona wanted
37:26
Speaker 1: to us crazy? Yeah? The funny how everything ties together.
37:29
Speaker 1: We just have some paces down here that they got
37:32
Speaker 1: our attention, which Dave Belle. The cases he's talking about
37:36
Speaker 1: could include the attempted shooting of a relative of Laurie Valo,
37:39
Speaker 1: Dave Bell, in Gilbert in October, or the July shooting
37:42
Speaker 1: death of Laurie's late husband, Charles Valo in Chandler. Laurie
37:45
Speaker 1: married Tammy's husband, Chad day Bell, less than two weeks
37:48
Speaker 1: after Tammy died. At the time, the Sheriff's office investigated
37:52
Speaker 1: and said they found nothing suspicious. The coroner ruled the
37:55
Speaker 1: death was due to natural causes. The dispatcher explains to
37:59
Speaker 1: the Arizona detective. It wasn't just a coroner who didn't
38:01
Speaker 1: want to press the investigation any further. The family did
38:04
Speaker 1: not want an autopsy, so they just went straight to
38:06
Speaker 1: your home and the family in the family that they
38:11
Speaker 1: don't want an autopsy either for the corner to find
38:14
Speaker 1: off and there and on the funeral. Yeah, yeah, I
38:18
Speaker 1: got a problem with that. The family, as I said earlier,
38:21
Speaker 1: made it clear they did not want an autopsy on
38:26
Speaker 1: Tammy day Belle. Why because when our bodies exhumed, we
38:31
Speaker 1: find out the causes asphyxia, And to you, are we
38:35
Speaker 1: going to ever be able to tell do you think
38:37
Speaker 1: to Scott Morgan whether it was manual ligature suffocation? What?
38:42
Speaker 1: Just a simple yes, no, yes, I think we will. Um,
38:45
Speaker 1: I got a question for you, Lea's Attilli, journalist and author.
38:49
Speaker 1: How do you believe that their religious beliefs played into
38:54
Speaker 1: this scenario? Well, I think that's what drew my interest
38:58
Speaker 1: in the cases that my journalism is about extremism, and
39:01
Speaker 1: what I saw in this case were extremist ideologies that
39:05
Speaker 1: were playing out throughout. I mean, just look to Chad
39:07
Speaker 1: Dayville's fictional books he had years and years before he
39:11
Speaker 1: ever met Laurie Valle of entertaining conspiracy theories of um,
39:16
Speaker 1: you know, teachings that are absolutely fringe of the fringe
39:21
Speaker 1: of the eldest Um. Well, things like what we were
39:25
Speaker 1: discussing earlier, multiple probations this idea. I mean, the word
39:29
Speaker 1: zombie comes up in this case and that never comes
39:32
Speaker 1: up in anything related to the Eldis Church. So there
39:36
Speaker 1: there's this um long history of him entertaining ideas that
39:42
Speaker 1: the leadership of the LDS Church has said, this is
39:45
Speaker 1: not what we believe. But Chad Dayville was holding meetings
39:49
Speaker 1: and and um small study groups about these ideas um
39:55
Speaker 1: that are that are kind of around the very edges
39:58
Speaker 1: of this of this faith jury might as Welt settle in.
40:04
Speaker 1: This is going to be a long and tedious trial
40:07
Speaker 1: when it ever happens, and when will that be? Nate Eaton.
40:10
Speaker 1: It's scheduled to begin January ninth, and it's scheduled for
40:14
Speaker 1: ten weeks. So who's going first? They're being tried together. Oh,
40:18
Speaker 1: I'm so happy. Then we can watch them point the
40:21
Speaker 1: finger at each other or their lawyers. These two, once
40:24
Speaker 1: they start making lovey w eyes at each other in court,
40:28
Speaker 1: may not point the finger. I think they're going to
40:30
Speaker 1: both point the finger at Alex Cox because he's dead
40:34
Speaker 1: and can't respond well. Nancy. Of course, there's some possibility
40:37
Speaker 1: that the defense lawyers intersea is between themselves and with
40:42
Speaker 1: the prosecutor, are exploring the possibility of having one of
40:46
Speaker 1: them turn state's evidence against the other. Theoretically possible, but
40:51
Speaker 1: perhaps not entirely consistent with their religious and extreme beliefs.
40:56
Speaker 1: Well put, David Leroy, Nate Eaton, just yes, no, is
40:59
Speaker 1: there a death in that jurisdiction. There isn't prosecutors are
41:02
Speaker 1: going for death on both cases. We wait as justice
41:06
Speaker 1: un falls. Nancy Grace crime story, Sunny Off, Goodbye Friend,