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NFL Week 1 TNF Showdown | Ravens @ Chiefs | DraftKings DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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Speaker 2: Tyler Tamberline here aka Totag and Tambo back for our
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Speaker 4: yeah until about February. You can count on that, okay, dad.
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Speaker 4: So it's funny, you know, Taylor. Two stories the boys
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Speaker 2: Yeah. More on that we'll well giveaway in a second.
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Speaker 5: a week. I mean, come on Milly tonight, Millie tomorrow,
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Speaker 5: in the little bit. The one thing I want to
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Speaker 2: bit of fun Hoopster you usually do this. I kind
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Speaker 2: of went on before and ran it, but I just
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Speaker 2: went to the site we're gonna use this. I went
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Speaker 2: Ship Demizer NFL. I changed it to showdown Captain Mode.
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Speaker 2: I changed a couple quick things, set it up to
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Speaker 2: run one point fifty and just in the spirit of time,
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Speaker 2: this can get us right into it. This is what
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Speaker 2: it gave us. So this is what people are looking
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Speaker 2: at here. So I'll start with you who So this
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Speaker 2: we're gonna start a captain. Obviously, break this game down.
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Speaker 2: We know what it is. It's a three point spread
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Speaker 2: around a forty six and a half total. It seems
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Speaker 2: like it's come down a little, you know, it hovered back,
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Speaker 2: came down a little from there. But right now it's
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Speaker 2: wanting to give me just a dry run. One hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty, no setup, no rules. Rashi Rice is the
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Speaker 2: main captain. It's given me twenty eight percent of him.
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Speaker 2: It's going to the next value wide receiver with Xavier
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Speaker 2: Worthy obviously Hollywood brown out, so it's going to him.
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Speaker 2: Mahomes sixteen percent, Pacheco ten percent, Limited Ravens just off
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Speaker 2: the hop. So your first thoughts on the captain position
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Speaker 2: here as we get right into this.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like doing this, you know, just to see
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Speaker 4: I mean, this obviously has our projections loaded, so you
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Speaker 4: could do this with any projections, right, but I'd imagine
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Speaker 4: you'd end up something relatively similar to this. I mean,
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Speaker 4: wherever you go today, Rashi Rice is going to look
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Speaker 4: like the best value play, and that's why we're getting
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Speaker 4: the most of him. In the captain spot Worthy is
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Speaker 4: shown up as a good value play. That's why we're
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Speaker 4: getting a lot of him. But I think the big
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Speaker 4: pickure item here is what you kind of touched on
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Speaker 4: right out of the gate, is you see the first
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Speaker 4: four players are Chiefs and then you start to see
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Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson, then you see Mark Andrews. Is that going
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Speaker 4: to be indicative of what we see when the slate
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Speaker 4: locks tonight? Is it going to be Chiefs heavy in
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Speaker 4: the captain spot? And my initial lean is yeah, I
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Speaker 4: think that is probably going to be the case, and
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Speaker 4: I think ownership is going to be relatively similar. I'd
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Speaker 4: say Lamar Jackson probably ends up higher than ten percent
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Speaker 4: that we're showing here, but he's going to be the
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Speaker 4: highest own raven in that captain spot. But will there
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Speaker 4: be four Chiefs ahead of him? Would be the big
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Speaker 4: question that I have going into the slate. And again
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Speaker 4: we'll break it all down and talk about it, but
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Speaker 4: that's one thing that definitely stands out. Can you click
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Speaker 4: over to the flex and just see is there anything
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Speaker 4: like crazy, Are were getting a ton of a cheap
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Speaker 4: guy that we don't want or anything along those lines,
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Speaker 4: And no, not really. So you know, mahomes, Lamar Jackson,
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Speaker 4: Rashid Rice up there at the top. I think that
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Speaker 4: definitely makes sense. It's probably what we're gonna see on
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Speaker 4: the slate. And I will say based I haven't built
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Speaker 4: my teams yet, I'll be doing that later this afternoon,
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Speaker 4: and then I will go in uh to our website
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Speaker 4: and upload my specific projection or my specific specific exposures
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Speaker 4: right to the website so you can see what I'm on.
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Speaker 4: But I think this is gonna probably play out pretty
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Speaker 4: similar to what we're seeing here. There is not like
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Speaker 4: a standout cheapy on the slate that a lot of
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Speaker 4: people are gonna want to go to. They're gonna want
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Speaker 4: to stick with in most of their lineups, probably kickers
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Speaker 4: and above or defenses and above. We're not gonna see
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Speaker 4: too many cheap guys uh come in it with with
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Speaker 4: super high ownership. So I think what we just ran
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Speaker 4: here is probably gonna be along the right path of
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Speaker 4: what we do see when the slate locks this this evening.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you talked about too. You can go obviously,
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Speaker 2: you know, spot my spot here that so you can
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Speaker 2: set it up and go off of it just so
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Speaker 2: you see, Like you can check the DST what's it
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Speaker 2: given us for defense? You can check what it's given
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Speaker 2: us in the flat specifically, like you talked about tight
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Speaker 2: ends where we're at there, so you can kind of
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Speaker 2: go through all of it and see what your exposures
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Speaker 2: are like, and then from there you can start to
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Speaker 2: get your ideas from that title. Give any sort of
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Speaker 2: just intro comments. Obviously a lot of new people joining
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Speaker 2: us for a new season. They're back, you know, maybe
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Speaker 2: they're not used to an optimizer anything along those lines.
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Speaker 2: Just how you would use this and how you might
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Speaker 2: apply it from there?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I try and think that.
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Speaker 5: Like logically too, we do know football, so you incorporate
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Speaker 5: numbers and actually knowing ball as people like to say.
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Speaker 5: The Ravens three point dogs, Derrick Henry, you look at
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Speaker 5: his price right there, there's Lamar Jackson, There's Derrick Henry,
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Speaker 5: there's Mark Andrews. Really, Enzy Flowers. You look at Lamar.
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Speaker 5: He's a good play, but he's also one K more
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Speaker 5: than Mahomes. You get Rice and Kelsey and Pachecko, who
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Speaker 5: all project better. Zay Flowers is right in between at
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Speaker 5: ak in between Pacheco at a four, Rice at seven
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Speaker 5: to six, So naturally he's going to be lower owned.
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Speaker 5: Henry at nine K priced above Pachecko above Rice. Three
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Speaker 5: point dogs not the best matchup on paper, so naturally
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Speaker 5: he's going to be lower on there. Andrews will be
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Speaker 5: the one. Andrews and Lamar the most popular Ravens captains.
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Speaker 5: Andrews has a good price at six four, but again
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Speaker 5: if you plug him in that Captain pricing's pretty soft
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Speaker 5: in the fact of like the Kickers are fairly priced,
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Speaker 5: Xavier Worthy only five to eight. Rice is way too cheap.
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Speaker 5: Pachecko has no pretty much competition. They just signed p
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Speaker 5: Ryan a week and a half ago. But Pachecko could
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Speaker 5: see one hundred percent of snaps today and I wouldn't
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Speaker 5: be surprised. So there's just with Mahomes, there's Rice, there's Pacheco,
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Speaker 5: there's Worthy, there's Kelsey. There's no Hollywood Brown, so he'll
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Speaker 5: be mixing and matching some wide receivers threes. It's just
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Speaker 5: a lot more options and easier to see some of
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Speaker 5: these chiefs getting there and for the prices, which is
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Speaker 5: the reason that we do see this ownership, that Captain
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Speaker 5: going a lot more KC side, And for me it's
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Speaker 5: we'll talk about Captain, but there's only so many Ravens
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Speaker 5: that I don't even find throwing captain Like I think
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Speaker 5: Dayton's a fine fly's play. I mean points are going
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Speaker 5: to be scored today. Is he gonna go out there
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Speaker 5: and get two touchdowns? I don't really see it too
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Speaker 5: much that way, So I like running the ship demizer.
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Speaker 5: Seeing that then comparing pricing how we look at it,
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Speaker 5: and it makes sense why a lot more people are
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Speaker 5: gravitating the chiefs and the captain.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk about some of the cheaper captains and
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Speaker 2: putting them in there, because, like Jordan was sort of
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Speaker 2: speaking what you were saying, the softer pricing probably won't
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Speaker 2: see too many guys under that. We didn't really see
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Speaker 2: it till later. But one quick note on that is
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Speaker 2: the optimizer showed it. Ship demizers are optimized. You guys
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Speaker 2: can go check it out on the site. But just
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Speaker 2: to note was because the two quarterbacks were so popular
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Speaker 2: in Flex, it was at least putting one of those
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Speaker 2: cheaper guys in because regardless who your captain was that
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Speaker 2: paired up with them, it was still wanting to get
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Speaker 2: Mahomes and Lamar Jackson in there. And it's easy to
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Speaker 2: do it because some of those guys can fit in
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Speaker 2: We'll talk about some of the punt plays later on,
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Speaker 2: like a Carson Steele you mentioned the p rynd stuff.
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Speaker 2: All of that we'll mention. But Biewhald brings it up
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Speaker 2: to this is when NFL is officially back, when we
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Speaker 2: get the posts on Twitter around that right, fingers crossed,
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Speaker 2: like Hoop said, we don't get that.
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Speaker 3: But I might be cheering for it. That's a way
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Speaker 3: to sol those ship today. Tambo, you know that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but you remember what happened last year. Those defenses.
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Speaker 4: They had a couple of good weeks and then they
16:11
Speaker 4: got so so popular, And.
16:13
Speaker 3: I don't today you think Chiefs Bultimore.
16:16
Speaker 4: I think the defenses will get I mean, not popular.
16:19
Speaker 4: They're gonna get ownership because there's not many cheap plays.
16:22
Speaker 4: I mean there's not many cheap plays that people feel
16:24
Speaker 4: comfortable with, so they will get owned. It's not going
16:26
Speaker 4: to be a crazyker.
16:27
Speaker 3: We'll go to the Kickers if they own.
16:29
Speaker 4: Kickers, for sure. But I'm saying, like you know, we
16:30
Speaker 4: don't have the one hundred dollars or two hundred dollars guy,
16:33
Speaker 4: or the thousand dollars guy. Yes, you could make the
16:35
Speaker 4: case for for for some guys down there. But there's
16:38
Speaker 4: no standout plays down there. People are gonna want to
16:41
Speaker 4: stop at like defense. How much are the defense? I
16:44
Speaker 4: didn't look because that's how much of.
16:47
Speaker 3: That's like that?
16:49
Speaker 4: That's the cheapest people are gonna want to go in
16:51
Speaker 4: building three four there's.
16:54
Speaker 3: Bucker for four to six.
16:57
Speaker 2: We're talking about the captains here. I'm a title. It's
16:58
Speaker 2: gonna be it's not captain. You'll see way more.
17:02
Speaker 4: You weren't talking in captain, no, no, no, I was
17:04
Speaker 4: talking in flex Yeah.
17:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm paying no yeah, the kickers either or I
17:09
Speaker 2: can tell you right now without running anything. The Captain.
17:12
Speaker 2: It's gonna be way more popular that people are on
17:13
Speaker 2: kickers and you just don't need it. There's so many
17:16
Speaker 2: other values here. If you want to make it work
17:18
Speaker 2: that people are happy to fit in, you can go
17:20
Speaker 2: to Bateman, you can go to Watson. People are gonna
17:22
Speaker 2: play some Agalore. People are gonna say play some Steel Noah, Gray, Isaiah.
17:26
Speaker 4: Likely.
17:26
Speaker 2: There's just so many guys that you can get to
17:29
Speaker 2: before you need that. So I think those will be
17:30
Speaker 2: a way to get different tonight.
17:31
Speaker 4: For sure.
17:33
Speaker 2: Let's stick to Captain then and go back or go
17:34
Speaker 2: back to it however, you guys want to look at it,
17:36
Speaker 2: let's go to Captain and talk about it directly. And
17:38
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go to the Stone on the site.
17:40
Speaker 2: It's the easiest way to do it, best tool in DFS.
17:42
Speaker 2: Let's go NFL the Stone. If you don't have on
17:45
Speaker 2: the desktop, you can just pull it up on your
17:47
Speaker 2: mobile with the PDF file. But this just breaks it down.
17:49
Speaker 2: I think I can get maybe I gotta go back
17:52
Speaker 2: one and get both games on the screen at the
17:53
Speaker 2: same time. But this gives us an overview of it all.
17:56
Speaker 2: But let's talk from the Captain perspective first hoop and
17:59
Speaker 2: you know we already looked at what we saw there.
18:01
Speaker 2: My thing I was gonna say quickly was just I
18:03
Speaker 2: use the projections as a guideline to see what everybody
18:06
Speaker 2: else is doing, right, Like if everyone's gonna have Rashie
18:09
Speaker 2: Rice and I'll have them too. I like them up top,
18:11
Speaker 2: that's you know, spoiler alert, but everybody does. Is I'm
18:13
Speaker 2: gonna look for different ways. Is it Pacheco instead that
18:16
Speaker 2: I use up top? Is it Kelsey? Is it Mahomes
18:18
Speaker 2: who I never really plan on the main slighte and
18:20
Speaker 2: that again, they'll all have some ownership, but it's just
18:23
Speaker 2: how you're using them and what you're doing to get
18:24
Speaker 2: different than the rest of the field. So give us
18:26
Speaker 2: your first thoughts on captain or who just both teams
18:28
Speaker 2: up on the screen.
18:29
Speaker 4: Ravens Chiefs, Yeah, I think you're gonna see the same.
18:33
Speaker 4: I don't know, like seven or a captains. They're going
18:36
Speaker 4: to get a large majority of the ownership, and I
18:39
Speaker 4: could see it getting spread out some like the quarterbacks
18:43
Speaker 4: are clearly going to get some. It's gonna be Lamar Jackson,
18:46
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes. I think you know, Mahomes is cheaper, so
18:49
Speaker 4: he probably gets a little bit more ownership than Lamar Jackson.
18:53
Speaker 4: And then you're gonna see people comfortable playing Pacheco. He's
18:56
Speaker 4: probably projected to get a majority of the work. But
18:59
Speaker 4: I am a little Scott that we will talk about
19:01
Speaker 4: a little bit more on his his work Lader. I
19:03
Speaker 4: just can't imagine game one of the regular season knowing
19:06
Speaker 4: how important he's going to be, that they're just gonna
19:08
Speaker 4: like jam this guy for you know, twenty five touches.
19:12
Speaker 4: Not saying that he won't get enough to pay off
19:14
Speaker 4: his price tag. But I don't think it's like the
19:16
Speaker 4: slam dunk that he gets, you know, so many touches.
19:19
Speaker 4: Rashie Rice is going to be very popular. We saw
19:22
Speaker 4: it just because mostly the price tag seventy six hundred
19:25
Speaker 4: flex eleven to four in the captain spot. You can
19:27
Speaker 4: still build an all star team with Rice and the
19:29
Speaker 4: captain and you know, wide receivers having or pass catchers
19:32
Speaker 4: have an advantage on DraftKings with the full PPR and
19:36
Speaker 4: the bonuses. So people are going to love him. You know,
19:39
Speaker 4: probably a guy that you look at in the I
19:41
Speaker 4: haven't looked at Cash built or anything, but Rashie Rice
19:43
Speaker 4: is probably a captain you potentially play up there tonight
19:46
Speaker 4: because you're going to be able to put him up
19:48
Speaker 4: there and then probably get both quarterbacks and work in
19:51
Speaker 4: a kicker or something along those lines. That's probably what
19:53
Speaker 4: cash teams will look like. Worthy will get the ownership
19:56
Speaker 4: because of the price tag. He's kind of you know,
19:58
Speaker 4: solidified the number two role and number two wide receiver
20:02
Speaker 4: and Patrick Mahomes offense is a very valuable spot, I mean,
20:05
Speaker 4: very very valuable spot. And then Travis Kelcey will obviously
20:10
Speaker 4: get some ownership. A Flowers will get some ownership. Mark
20:13
Speaker 4: Andrew so I think, you know, ninety some percent of
20:16
Speaker 4: the captain spot is Lamar Mahomes, Pacheco, Worthy, Rice Kelsey,
20:25
Speaker 4: Andrews Flowers like they're gonna take up basically everything, So
20:29
Speaker 4: if you're doing anything outside of that, you're probably gonna
20:33
Speaker 4: be a little bit different. I personally probably won't be
20:35
Speaker 4: doing anything outside of that, and I'll probably make some
20:37
Speaker 4: cuts on some of those guys. And one guy that
20:39
Speaker 4: does not look like he's getting much in the captain's
20:42
Speaker 4: spot is Derrick Henry. So maybe if you're into him,
20:45
Speaker 4: which you know me personally, that's going to be a
20:47
Speaker 4: pass for me, and it could it could obviously be
20:49
Speaker 4: a pass for me and the Flecked as well. I
20:50
Speaker 4: might just straight up fade Derrick Henry. Again, haven't built
20:53
Speaker 4: my teams, but that's a stand I might potentially make today.
20:56
Speaker 4: I don't feel super comfortable with the nine k price tag.
21:00
Speaker 4: I don't think the workload is an absolute slam dunk
21:02
Speaker 4: like some people think. But anything out of those main
21:05
Speaker 4: seven or eight that I mentioned, you're going to be different.
21:09
Speaker 4: But it just feels like it's going to be one
21:11
Speaker 4: of those dudes that's optimal captain tonight. So that's you're
21:14
Speaker 4: my thoughts there in the captain spot and.
21:17
Speaker 2: Naid's brought up Watson shut up through our guy Mark
21:19
Speaker 2: f I know he's been away in Italy. He's coming back.
21:22
Speaker 2: He was a second million maker winner at the Nation
21:24
Speaker 2: last season. He had a Watson captain Noa Mahomes and
21:28
Speaker 2: made it all work on a night when everyone was jamming.
21:30
Speaker 2: Stud's up top and he just flipped the script kind
21:33
Speaker 2: of how you could do it tonight. You go back
21:35
Speaker 2: and look up that lineup and then where's my guy Brad?
21:37
Speaker 2: He figured it out. He forgot this people. We never
21:39
Speaker 2: used this one because you know, a gray area of
21:41
Speaker 2: crossing the line from churches and coming back. But sins
21:45
Speaker 2: stands for ship at Nation success, and you're always welcome
21:47
Speaker 2: to confess your sins over on the testimonials portion of
21:50
Speaker 2: our website. All your ship at Nation success, come confess.
21:54
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep it rolling here title. I'm going
21:56
Speaker 2: to go back to you for these captains. You and
21:58
Speaker 2: I typically I know someone I think was b Wald
22:00
Speaker 2: saying earlier you got married. You're not a team player.
22:03
Speaker 2: We team up on hoop in these we're like team unique.
22:06
Speaker 2: You know he's hoop doope it's me and you are
22:09
Speaker 2: trying not to do that. Right. We're Team Unique over here,
22:11
Speaker 2: So what's the play? What's what are we doing off
22:13
Speaker 2: top of these captains?
22:14
Speaker 3: Well, I might have to.
22:15
Speaker 5: Start following Hoop. The dude keeps shipping everything. Maybe I
22:18
Speaker 5: got a switch and I did. Like that was smooth Tambo,
22:21
Speaker 5: first show of the of the year that sins and everything.
22:24
Speaker 5: You're on top of your game.
22:25
Speaker 4: I like it.
22:26
Speaker 2: I tricked you pre show.
22:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, you dropped at us pre show for sure, and
22:31
Speaker 4: I called it. I was like, this guy's gonna get
22:33
Speaker 4: on the show and just nail a one liner right
22:35
Speaker 4: in our face after this is a donkey ass one
22:36
Speaker 4: liner he dropped on.
22:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess I gotta be on Hoop
22:44
Speaker 3: side on this.
22:45
Speaker 5: I don't see myself playing any other captains besides those eight.
22:49
Speaker 5: I can make pivots in the flex, like I'd rather
22:51
Speaker 5: leave two K and drop from Rice to Worthy or
22:55
Speaker 5: something not exactly two K something like that.
22:58
Speaker 3: In the flex.
22:58
Speaker 5: Then I would play a Bateman, play a Justice Hill,
23:01
Speaker 5: play a Justin Tucker, Like I think it's gonna be
23:05
Speaker 5: one of those eight guys Hoops are talking about. So
23:07
Speaker 5: how I'm gonna talk a little bit, is if you
23:10
Speaker 5: play Mahomes in the captain, I want at least two
23:12
Speaker 5: pass catchers. Yes, he has some sneaky legs, he can
23:15
Speaker 5: maybe get there that way. In most scenarios he gets
23:18
Speaker 5: there two, maybe three, Like I'm totally good Jamon. Three
23:22
Speaker 5: pass catchers. Four wouldn't even be the crazy if if
23:25
Speaker 5: you had it like a Noah Gray. Now, if I'm
23:28
Speaker 5: playing to Zay Flowers or Mark Andrews, I definitely want
23:31
Speaker 5: Lamar in the flats.
23:32
Speaker 3: It is a way to get different.
23:33
Speaker 5: But if they're going up like we know, Lamar has
23:36
Speaker 5: the rushing upside, if Andrews or Zay has a big
23:38
Speaker 5: enough game that might be one hundred and two touchdowns
23:41
Speaker 5: something like that.
23:42
Speaker 3: I'm expecting Lamar to outscore Mahomes and follow through on
23:46
Speaker 3: the flip side.
23:47
Speaker 5: I do think a way to get different in some
23:49
Speaker 5: line is if you go a Rice captain or a
23:52
Speaker 5: Worthy captain. You can go no Mahomes and just think
23:57
Speaker 5: like Lamar on the other side, rushes for one hundred yards,
24:00
Speaker 5: maybe rushes one in he's a thousand more and outscores
24:03
Speaker 5: him in a vacuum, and you don't need Mahomes in
24:07
Speaker 5: the flax, like Rice can go out there and get
24:09
Speaker 5: you eleven catches. I do like it a little more
24:12
Speaker 5: with Rice than Worthy, because Worthy just a speedster. He
24:15
Speaker 5: catches one, it could be seventy yards and obviously that's
24:18
Speaker 5: a big boost to Mahomes. But the Kelsey's of the world,
24:21
Speaker 5: who could have two three yard touchdowns we've seen him
24:23
Speaker 5: multiple times. Or Rice right in the middle of the
24:26
Speaker 5: field ten catches eighty five yards a touchdown or two.
24:30
Speaker 3: Lamar could outscore Mahomes twenty three.
24:32
Speaker 5: Point game on the other side, And yes he is
24:34
Speaker 5: a thousand more, but that's the little stuff to get different.
24:37
Speaker 5: We're almost two hundred thousand people in this tournament tonight.
24:40
Speaker 5: If you're playing the million, which we're talking about, and
24:43
Speaker 5: I guess throwing back a little bit, have a plan,
24:46
Speaker 5: like if you are playing this really big stuff, is
24:48
Speaker 5: your goal to unique ship or six figures at minimum?
24:52
Speaker 3: Well, if your goal is that, obviously know you're probably
24:55
Speaker 3: gonna lose.
24:55
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're playing any of these tournaments, you're
24:57
Speaker 5: gonna lose a lot more than you win, but especially
25:00
Speaker 5: expect to lose. If you're throwing two bullets in any
25:03
Speaker 5: chop up in first place, three hundred people, it's gonna
25:07
Speaker 5: pay nice. You will wake up the next morning and
25:09
Speaker 5: be happy. So if that's your goal, then you don't
25:12
Speaker 5: need to worry about this stuff as much. If you're
25:13
Speaker 5: playing a Rice or Worthy and you just want to
25:16
Speaker 5: take first place, probably playing Mahomes in there because it's
25:19
Speaker 5: more likely that happens.
25:20
Speaker 3: But again, I'll be you talk a lot.
25:23
Speaker 5: You talked a good bit Tamba last or last year
25:25
Speaker 5: about building your stuff in groups, and I think I'm
25:28
Speaker 5: gonna take that from you.
25:29
Speaker 3: Where maybe some.
25:30
Speaker 5: Lineup, thirty lineups. You know what, if I have one
25:32
Speaker 5: hundred dupes, I'm good with that. I'll take that in
25:34
Speaker 5: my portfolio. I'm definitely gonna have some where I'm shooting
25:37
Speaker 5: ten or less, twenty or less. Maybe not solo because
25:40
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna get too crazy as I'm talking about captains,
25:43
Speaker 5: but a way to get different again, A Worthy, a Kelsey,
25:47
Speaker 5: a Rice, no Mahomes there, Pope Lamar outscores them. I
25:51
Speaker 5: like Pachecko the player takes wise, I'll be playing all
25:54
Speaker 5: of them mixing there. I like pacheck O. I'm different
25:57
Speaker 5: than Hoop. I think he's gonna get ninety plus percent.
25:59
Speaker 5: Of the work be a workhorse. The Derrick Henry and
26:02
Speaker 5: Zay Flowers like, I'm just naturally gonna play him because
26:06
Speaker 5: I talked about it earlier. They're just gonna get squeezed
26:08
Speaker 5: because of their price. Derrick Henry has the best touchdown
26:11
Speaker 5: prop on the slate. Actually, it's kind of hard, I
26:13
Speaker 5: will say to look at these touchdown props after how
26:15
Speaker 5: bad DraftKings posted them.
26:17
Speaker 3: But it is worth noting minus one thirty for Henry
26:20
Speaker 3: to score. Minus one oh five is the next.
26:22
Speaker 5: Best for Pacheco, So he's a favorite to score a touchdown.
26:26
Speaker 5: I mean they get to like the five yard line.
26:28
Speaker 5: It's not lamar qb sneaking it every time. You could
26:31
Speaker 5: see a Derrick Henry sixty seven yard seventy yard game
26:34
Speaker 5: and three touchdowns if they just fall near the goal line.
26:37
Speaker 5: So I'll be playing those ravens to get different in
26:39
Speaker 5: the captain spot. But again I'm with Hoop. I'm mainly
26:42
Speaker 5: playing those eight guys, and I just don't see myself
26:45
Speaker 5: taking shots on these flyers.
26:47
Speaker 3: I'll try and get different in the flex pot.
26:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of things we do here. One is
26:51
Speaker 2: we definitely make sure we get after those likes as
26:53
Speaker 2: our guy had degenerate seventy five says, lots of people watching,
26:56
Speaker 2: not enough likes. Just takes two seconds. So while that's
26:59
Speaker 2: on the screen, one two bang, hit the like button.
27:02
Speaker 2: It's easy. Get that done for us. Please. This might
27:05
Speaker 2: break my heart more than defense is this guy always
27:07
Speaker 2: does break slates for some reason. We'll talk more when
27:09
Speaker 2: we go a position by a position later, but I
27:11
Speaker 2: don't have him up top in the captain or anything,
27:13
Speaker 2: but I think that's the key. The other thing we
27:14
Speaker 2: do is talk about what Title went through there, and
27:16
Speaker 2: it's not about you know, why this guy is the
27:18
Speaker 2: winning captain the play. Nobody knows going into the slate.
27:21
Speaker 2: What we know is a lot of other information and
27:23
Speaker 2: we're trying to figure out how is the field playing,
27:25
Speaker 2: how are we gonna play against that? And what is
27:28
Speaker 2: our goals? What is our mindset? We talk a ton
27:30
Speaker 2: about that over a ship in nation with the education course.
27:32
Speaker 2: But like title said, what you're looking to do and
27:33
Speaker 2: I'm looking to ship with as little people as possible.
27:36
Speaker 2: But to Title's point, we talk about building in sets
27:39
Speaker 2: all the time, groups however you want to call them.
27:41
Speaker 2: But it's almost like a stock portfolio, like you might
27:43
Speaker 2: have some with Apple and Tesla and these stocks that
27:45
Speaker 2: are just sort of blue chips that you sit on
27:47
Speaker 2: that you know they're not gonna ten x, fifteen x
27:50
Speaker 2: twenty x overnight, but pretty good place to put it.
27:52
Speaker 2: These lineups look good. I have this set of those lineups.
27:55
Speaker 2: If it happens the way we expect it to happen,
27:57
Speaker 2: I might still have one that pops, but maybe that
28:00
Speaker 2: thirty of my lineups and then the other one twenty.
28:02
Speaker 2: I go sixty one way, sixty another, and then I
28:06
Speaker 2: try and get some of that leverage that we're looking for.
28:07
Speaker 2: And I think you guys both set it best. The
28:10
Speaker 2: captains themselves feel kind of set in stone. I'll just
28:13
Speaker 2: show it on. Speaking of set in stone, dust stone
28:15
Speaker 2: over here, we only have our initial ownership projections up
28:18
Speaker 2: right now, but it's already clear to me, and this
28:21
Speaker 2: I'll be updated by the time we get to the
28:22
Speaker 2: main lock and well before too. But to Hoops point,
28:26
Speaker 2: things are gonna start to spread out. Like Rashie Rice,
28:29
Speaker 2: we already have the higher than most of the industry.
28:31
Speaker 2: That's probably about right, but some of the other ones
28:33
Speaker 2: are gonna start to spread out. And I think it's
28:35
Speaker 2: actually gonna pull from Lamar and Mahomes the most. I
28:37
Speaker 2: think we're gonna see them come back down more to
28:39
Speaker 2: like the fourteen to fifteen range, And those are things
28:42
Speaker 2: that you have to factor in when you're looking at it,
28:45
Speaker 2: And one of the things that would stand out to
28:46
Speaker 2: me is that then you would be able to get
28:48
Speaker 2: even more leverage on them in the captain spot. Like
28:50
Speaker 2: we're seeing Mahomes, we're seeing Lamar Jackson look pretty good.
28:54
Speaker 2: Mahomes or Pacheco, who both look pretty good, are technically
28:58
Speaker 2: leverage off of the right play, especially if he gets
29:02
Speaker 2: a bunch more ownership late, Like if we think he's
29:03
Speaker 2: gonna scheme up a bunch, then that's just a way
29:06
Speaker 2: to flip it a little bit. He can still have
29:07
Speaker 2: a big game but only be needed in the flex
29:09
Speaker 2: because it's somebody else up top. I like titles take
29:12
Speaker 2: where you could actually have a guy like Rice up
29:14
Speaker 2: top not need whatever he gets from You know, it
29:17
Speaker 2: could be five one hundred and a touchdown, and that
29:20
Speaker 2: doesn't mean much for Mahomes besides those stats if he
29:23
Speaker 2: doesn't do that much more. What if a bunch more
29:25
Speaker 2: is Pachecko, What if they do get halted and it's
29:28
Speaker 2: you know, Butcker and short passes to Kelsey and these guys.
29:31
Speaker 2: Then it's it's not necessarily that you need him and
29:33
Speaker 2: all you would probably need in that case because you'd
29:35
Speaker 2: still have money to spend or likely to use is
29:37
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson on the other side, getting a hundred on
29:40
Speaker 2: the ground, throwing for one hundred and fifty and throwing
29:42
Speaker 2: a touchdown or two or something like that. So it
29:44
Speaker 2: is alternative ways to still get there, and that's kind
29:47
Speaker 2: of what we're looking at. But I think you know
29:49
Speaker 2: that one is interesting. So just flipping the rice stuff
29:52
Speaker 2: to and even worthy to pacheck O Mahomes. It's not
29:56
Speaker 2: going to be about the captain pool you use because
29:58
Speaker 2: a lot of people are using the same eight guys.
30:01
Speaker 2: It's where you leverage those eight guys and how much
30:03
Speaker 2: you play of each, like Woop. You've talked about this
30:05
Speaker 2: in the past, saying, you know what, forget eight guys,
30:08
Speaker 2: I'm gonna drop it to five. But I know tonight
30:11
Speaker 2: that if everyone's gonna play, you know, twenty percent, Mahomes,
30:13
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play forty of him and then separate, sorry,
30:17
Speaker 2: my remaining sixty percent out to these other four guys
30:20
Speaker 2: in that example, you know what I mean. So there's
30:22
Speaker 2: other ways you can get leveraged within the plays that
30:25
Speaker 2: you're actually using. If that makes sense.
30:26
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how I've had a lot of success and
30:28
Speaker 4: showdown just consolidating my captain playerpool just say you know,
30:32
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be one of these two or
30:34
Speaker 4: one of these three guys, and then just getting rid
30:36
Speaker 4: of everything because you know, it does get spread out.
30:39
Speaker 4: People will play, you know, sprinkles of these random cheap
30:42
Speaker 4: dudes too. But I am struggling to do that in
30:45
Speaker 4: this slight, I will admit, like, it just seems like
30:47
Speaker 4: it could be any of those eight guys that is
30:50
Speaker 4: the captain, the optimal captain tonight. So I got to
30:52
Speaker 4: see when I go in there and Bill Chains. But
30:54
Speaker 4: I wanted to touch on a couple of points that
30:56
Speaker 4: both of you guys made most recently. Tambo about the
31:00
Speaker 4: quarterback ownership. How you think that you know it ends
31:03
Speaker 4: up coming down a little bit the captain ownership. I
31:06
Speaker 4: agree with you there, because people are going to go
31:08
Speaker 4: through start building teams. They're going to say, man, I
31:10
Speaker 4: can take my Patrick Mahomes captain team and just flip
31:14
Speaker 4: that to Rashi Rice in the Captain, and then I
31:16
Speaker 4: can get an upgrade somewhere else without many super cheap
31:20
Speaker 4: appealing plays, which we'll get to in a minute. People
31:23
Speaker 4: probably do that when they start looking at two v
31:25
Speaker 4: Two's like, all right, if I take out this expensive
31:27
Speaker 4: captain and put a cheaper captain in there, I don't
31:30
Speaker 4: have to endure as many punts, or I don't have
31:32
Speaker 4: to endure as much ownership on really cheap punt. So
31:37
Speaker 4: I think that is what ends up happening. And I
31:40
Speaker 4: think it probably is more from Lamar than it is
31:43
Speaker 4: Mahomes because of the price tag. I mean, Lamar has
31:46
Speaker 4: these thousand dollars more expensive, these fifteen hundred dollars more
31:50
Speaker 4: expensive than Mahomes in the captain spot. So I could
31:53
Speaker 4: see a scenario where Lamar Jackson not lo loan. Don't
31:58
Speaker 4: get me wrong, but you know is low. This is
32:00
Speaker 4: the term I like to use, lower own than what
32:02
Speaker 4: the industry is projecting. Another point that the title made
32:06
Speaker 4: I think is really good too, like with the you
32:09
Speaker 4: know the rules and saying you know, if I have
32:12
Speaker 4: Rashi Rice in the Captain, I want I'm forcing all
32:15
Speaker 4: my teams to have Patrick Mahomes if you can play
32:17
Speaker 4: the scenario out in your head where Rashi Rice is
32:20
Speaker 4: the optimal captain, but like you said, Lamar Jackson finds
32:23
Speaker 4: a way to outscore him by four Fantasy points and
32:27
Speaker 4: it's Lamar Jackson over Mahomes and everything else plays. If
32:30
Speaker 4: you can play that scenario out and it's realistic, build
32:33
Speaker 4: some teams like that because most people just set hard
32:36
Speaker 4: and fast rules. They're not building in sets. They're gonna say,
32:38
Speaker 4: if they're doing one hundred and fifty teams, Okay, any
32:42
Speaker 4: Rashie Rice captain team has to have Mahomes and they're
32:45
Speaker 4: just gonna run their teams and it's gonna be like that,
32:47
Speaker 4: Like they're not going through and specifically looking at those
32:51
Speaker 4: lineups and changing it. So it's just it's a lot
32:53
Speaker 4: of hard and fast rules. And one thing I've noticed
32:56
Speaker 4: with the showdown DFS man like people can we talked
33:02
Speaker 4: about last year, rule themselves out. You can have the
33:04
Speaker 4: perfect player pool, you can have the perfect ownership, but
33:08
Speaker 4: if you've set one rule that excludes you from having
33:11
Speaker 4: that optimal team, it was all for nothing.
33:14
Speaker 3: It was all for another.
33:15
Speaker 4: You put into work all day long. I'm getting the
33:17
Speaker 4: right percentages the right captains, the right flex. Guys, you
33:20
Speaker 4: set one rule, one rule, it can take you out
33:24
Speaker 4: of contention to shipping a GPP. So one piece of
33:28
Speaker 4: advice for sure, like don't rule yourself out of winning
33:31
Speaker 4: and some we talked about a lot last year and
33:33
Speaker 4: something we'll definitely hit on all of this year.
33:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, people using the ship Deviser are going to be
33:38
Speaker 2: putting these rules in. And it's like, if Rice is
33:40
Speaker 2: the captain, put Mahomes as the flex and one hundred
33:43
Speaker 2: percent of my line if someone builds the I'm not
33:44
Speaker 2: saying that's bad. That's obviously a pretty good rule. But
33:47
Speaker 2: you can do something like that in the ship Deviser
33:49
Speaker 2: to titles point to say, Okay, in eighty percent of
33:53
Speaker 2: my Rice Captain lineups, I want it set up to
33:56
Speaker 2: get Mahomes the majority of the time. I want that,
33:58
Speaker 2: but I'm not afraid to get some of my lineups
34:01
Speaker 2: without it. And this will cap it out so that
34:03
Speaker 2: it works out that way. So you can always move
34:04
Speaker 2: the needle. And that's the power of having a good optimizer. Again,
34:07
Speaker 2: the ship Deemizer is the optimizer designed to help you ship.
34:11
Speaker 2: We've got other rules and things like that that you
34:13
Speaker 2: can build in where you could set it up that way,
34:15
Speaker 2: and just again watching these shows, that's what we're going
34:17
Speaker 2: to be talking about, not just it's this play to
34:19
Speaker 2: win all the money tonight and then you're mad when
34:21
Speaker 2: that doesn't hit for you. We don't know in advance
34:23
Speaker 2: what it's going to be. Nobody does. We know theory, strategy, correlation, leverage,
34:28
Speaker 2: and we know what we're going up against and that's
34:30
Speaker 2: really what the focus is, what we're trying to find
34:32
Speaker 2: up against these other teams. So title real quick on captains,
34:36
Speaker 2: and then we'll move on to the position by position,
34:37
Speaker 2: and because we've talked about a lot of these guys,
34:39
Speaker 2: that'll probably move a little bit quicker today. But just
34:41
Speaker 2: of note the cheap captains up top. We did spend
34:44
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes on it. But any thoughts on
34:47
Speaker 2: what I mentioned earlier, like with our guy Mark f
34:49
Speaker 2: it's very clear tonight people are spending up at the captain,
34:51
Speaker 2: whether it's Mahomes, Rice Jackson, putcheck o Zay, however you
34:56
Speaker 2: get there, is there any thought about flipping the build
34:59
Speaker 2: and just be a little bit comfortable being uncomfortable in that,
35:03
Speaker 2: Like Hoop said, you can easily just flip it and
35:05
Speaker 2: get somebody that's better to upgrade your lineup. But what
35:08
Speaker 2: if you go the other way to get more studs overall,
35:11
Speaker 2: versus having to have that one punt player, one low
35:14
Speaker 2: tier price play.
35:15
Speaker 3: I don't love it.
35:16
Speaker 5: Part of the reason I don't love it too is
35:18
Speaker 5: a this is gonna be a lot of one fifty
35:20
Speaker 5: maxers that are gonna be sprinkling guys like this. And
35:23
Speaker 5: even just say you play Nelson Aguilar in the Captain,
35:27
Speaker 5: just say you leave four hundred dollars, it's not gonna
35:30
Speaker 5: be as low duped as you might think, because all right,
35:32
Speaker 5: everyone's gonna be I'm gonna go Lamar. You have the
35:34
Speaker 5: money for Mahome, so then you go Mahomes. Oh, Rice
35:37
Speaker 5: looks good, and you're kind of then playing a one
35:39
Speaker 5: v one two B two. So even if you do
35:41
Speaker 5: do that, you really should still be cautious. In this
35:45
Speaker 5: really high field or large field stuff. You still have
35:48
Speaker 5: to get different somewhere. And again I would just rather
35:51
Speaker 5: if I didn't play anyone down there Xander Worthy and below,
35:54
Speaker 5: it would be Rashad Bateman and buy a mile because
35:57
Speaker 5: he's the wide receiver too. He'll be on the field
35:59
Speaker 5: the line and it's only one game. We're talking always
36:03
Speaker 5: target chair has been awful. It's gonna be Za, Andrews, Derrick,
36:07
Speaker 5: Henry Lamar himself first, but at least I want a
36:10
Speaker 5: guy that's gonna be on the field majority of the time.
36:12
Speaker 3: Bateman would be the guy. Yeah, I see you're building
36:15
Speaker 3: it out right now.
36:15
Speaker 2: There officially back, I'm doing the points that you and
36:18
Speaker 2: I aligned. I was drawn it up as you were saying,
36:21
Speaker 2: and this is why I brought it up, so we
36:22
Speaker 2: can hit on this for two seconds. I think people
36:24
Speaker 2: asked about likely, they asked about Bateman's There's multiple questions
36:27
Speaker 2: around this. Agalore could be a thing. I'm just saying
36:29
Speaker 2: if you went with Bateman, it's not like he's free
36:32
Speaker 2: up top. I'm just saying he's obviously much different than Mahomes,
36:35
Speaker 2: Rice Lamar, Pacheco, Andrews, zay Worthy. He has to be
36:40
Speaker 2: the eighth guy at best, if not worse, because people
36:43
Speaker 2: might still go to Henry or something else. So let's
36:46
Speaker 2: just say he's in there. You can get both the quarterbacks,
36:49
Speaker 2: one of the stud kickers. This could obviously be I'm
36:51
Speaker 2: not gonna fill it right out, but I still have
36:52
Speaker 2: seventy seven hundred remaining. I can still get another Stud receiver,
36:57
Speaker 2: one of the Stud running backs, whatever, And I'm not
36:59
Speaker 2: complete dead, so to me, not sure how we could
37:03
Speaker 2: you know fully exclude or hate these lines. I get
37:05
Speaker 2: your own plan is your own plan, like eid how
37:07
Speaker 2: you can do it, But I'm saying other people may
37:09
Speaker 2: want to consider it because it's not the worst. And
37:12
Speaker 2: obviously this stuff can go your way, right, like these
37:15
Speaker 2: guys can stay a little bit in check, but you
37:16
Speaker 2: need instead of these punt plays that don't come through
37:19
Speaker 2: for these higher price captain lineups, you may be able
37:22
Speaker 2: to get away with something like this. And then if
37:24
Speaker 2: Bateman actually does have a big game, you're absolutely going
37:27
Speaker 2: to need this. So any further thoughts on it with
37:29
Speaker 2: that said, and then I'll just sort of just pull
37:31
Speaker 2: one more up.
37:32
Speaker 5: Yeah, and again I'm thinking most people that watch these shows,
37:36
Speaker 5: like I built the MMA Slagh plan, twenty teams are less.
37:39
Speaker 3: I think not many are one fifteen.
37:41
Speaker 5: So that's why I'm trying to make a little more
37:44
Speaker 5: stands like if I was only playing twenty teams or less,
37:46
Speaker 5: I would have no I would I wouldn't play any
37:48
Speaker 5: of them. Personally, you can make a case and again
37:51
Speaker 5: Bateman's the clear one. It's harder for me to go
37:53
Speaker 5: Justice Hill. It kind of feels like relying on an injury.
37:57
Speaker 5: I don't like going kickers captains. I don't like playing
37:59
Speaker 5: defense captains Aglar I guess maybe.
38:02
Speaker 3: But Batman would for sure be the one.
38:05
Speaker 5: And why we're talking about all this again, it's more
38:07
Speaker 5: than just player takes this and that Showdown just like MMA,
38:11
Speaker 5: Just like all showdown, when you win, how much do
38:13
Speaker 5: you win? That's why the little stuff of Lamar over
38:16
Speaker 5: Mahomes and the flex or like you're doing right here likely,
38:20
Speaker 5: all that you play likely. And then you still want
38:23
Speaker 5: to make sure you're not zeroing out your dollars or
38:26
Speaker 5: you have some low ish own pivots because you don't
38:29
Speaker 5: want to share with a million people. One simple pivot
38:32
Speaker 5: can be the difference between one hundred and eighty thousand
38:34
Speaker 5: and a fifteen way chop. And then if you make
38:38
Speaker 5: the other pivot to the Chalky Way, it's one hundred
38:40
Speaker 5: and forty people and twenty eight thousand. Sure, that's twenty
38:43
Speaker 5: eight thousand no one complains about. But is it a
38:47
Speaker 5: eight times more likely? Bear with me in my math,
38:49
Speaker 5: I know I'm off a little bit. Is that one
38:51
Speaker 5: v one eight times more likely to work more times
38:54
Speaker 5: than not. It's not and when you do win, you're
38:57
Speaker 5: good for the whole year when you stick within that
38:59
Speaker 5: Whereas again it's a ton, but I know US three
39:02
Speaker 5: will have a lot more than twenty k in throughout
39:04
Speaker 5: the whole year. You do need more than that one hit.
39:06
Speaker 5: So again, when you win, how much you win, showdown's
39:09
Speaker 5: a whole different ballgame.
39:10
Speaker 3: Then the main slate will talk someday.
39:12
Speaker 2: That's why I brought this one up. Is it you know,
39:14
Speaker 2: it's not likely, but it might be, and if it is,
39:18
Speaker 2: it can pay off in a big way. So that's
39:19
Speaker 2: kind of the setup of when you're doing this, you
39:21
Speaker 2: got to know what you're doing. But all I'm trying
39:23
Speaker 2: to show is, you know, even if you don't want
39:24
Speaker 2: to get to the two quarterbacks, you have even more
39:26
Speaker 2: to spend. But there is a chance likely could get
39:29
Speaker 2: two touchdowns. Andrews was in a car accident a few
39:32
Speaker 2: weeks ago. What if they play him lighter? The coaches
39:34
Speaker 2: talk about him all the time. I know people are
39:35
Speaker 2: betting his unders and all. This again not likely, but
39:38
Speaker 2: it might be, and if it is, then it can
39:40
Speaker 2: pay off in a big way, and on a showdown
39:42
Speaker 2: slate like this with one hundred and ninety six thousand entries,
39:45
Speaker 2: you got to beat. I'm willing to take the chance
39:48
Speaker 2: in some of my lineups to put something like this
39:49
Speaker 2: because I still have eighty three fifty left to spend
39:52
Speaker 2: on two more spots, and I got both quarterbacks and
39:55
Speaker 2: your favorite dude that you're playing up top tonight, Rice,
39:58
Speaker 2: So it's not really about it Rice and likely swap
40:01
Speaker 2: like then you probably could swap it and you and
40:02
Speaker 2: you end up needing Rice, but then that's also a
40:05
Speaker 2: much bigger chop that you're looking at. So who we're
40:08
Speaker 2: go ahead?
40:08
Speaker 5: Were some of your favorites down there? Tamba below Worthy
40:11
Speaker 5: that you're gonna play?
40:12
Speaker 3: Are you playing Kickers? Are you playing d Is it
40:14
Speaker 3: just Bateman?
40:15
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play Kickers. I guess you know.
40:17
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about against the game scheme again, not
40:19
Speaker 2: really what we focus on. We spend our time talking
40:21
Speaker 2: about DFS and specifically winning tournaments in DFS and trying
40:24
Speaker 2: to get after it. But I could definitely see where
40:27
Speaker 2: this game leans under. There's still two good defenses out there, too,
40:31
Speaker 2: capable defenses. Everyone just expects fireworks and rocket ships and
40:34
Speaker 2: all this stuff like we love over here. But there's
40:37
Speaker 2: definitely a potential for them just to run the ball
40:39
Speaker 2: a bunch more just pacheck O, Henry Downhill. We already
40:42
Speaker 2: got Lamar runs and a ton clock runs all of that.
40:45
Speaker 2: And then there's also potential for Rice Zay Flowers. I mean,
40:49
Speaker 2: we're not talking about the top wide receivers in the league.
40:51
Speaker 2: Rice obviously in a bit different league. I think he counts,
40:54
Speaker 2: but not necessarily to the upper echelon of what we're
40:57
Speaker 2: gonna see on the main slide on Sunday. I don't
40:58
Speaker 2: give as much credit at least, so it would say
41:01
Speaker 2: that there is mistakes that can be made, and it
41:02
Speaker 2: can come down to Butcker and Tucker and guys like that,
41:06
Speaker 2: and then you also have those you know, the end
41:08
Speaker 2: of the half, whatever it might be, just kick the
41:10
Speaker 2: kick the field goal and move on. Take our points.
41:13
Speaker 2: It's tough. These are two really good teams. It's a
41:15
Speaker 2: Super Bowl champion, got the MVP on the other side.
41:17
Speaker 2: I mean, there's definitely a possibility. So for me, Bateman,
41:21
Speaker 2: both kickers are for sure in consideration. Again, maybe less
41:24
Speaker 2: than five percent up top. But I don't need a
41:26
Speaker 2: tonne of lineups with them because I'm just gonna build
41:28
Speaker 2: them accordingly, pop them into the portfolio, and if it happens,
41:31
Speaker 2: I won't just have my one Justin Tucker lineup like
41:34
Speaker 2: oh I got the nuts with Justin Tucker. I'll have
41:36
Speaker 2: a few options. It doesn't get there, doesn't get there,
41:38
Speaker 2: but definitely like the option of being able to go
41:40
Speaker 2: there for me.
41:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense.
41:42
Speaker 5: Like Tambo's saying, you have two percent of Bateman and
41:46
Speaker 5: your captain, like that could be with the field, Like
41:48
Speaker 5: don't just be like, oh I have two percent, I'm
41:51
Speaker 5: gonna have zero because I'm not One lineup isn't gonna shift.
41:54
Speaker 5: It only takes one lineup to ship. And again it's
41:57
Speaker 5: first or last and showdown with what the chop is.
42:00
Speaker 5: Usually you don't care about the second nuts. So yeah,
42:02
Speaker 5: it spreading out your portfolio. Everything you've been saying, shut out.
42:06
Speaker 2: To our guys, neighbors. He's always in here, man, he's
42:08
Speaker 2: the man we appreciate, he says Titan low scoring. I
42:11
Speaker 2: guess who what's your thought on how the game plays out?
42:12
Speaker 2: If you like the under forty two and a half,
42:14
Speaker 2: my friend, let me tell you about the actual total
42:16
Speaker 2: forty six and a half and you might like it
42:18
Speaker 2: even more so. Uh, any quick thoughts on how the
42:21
Speaker 2: game is gonna go, and then we're gonna hop right
42:23
Speaker 2: into position by position, get the same.
42:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, just to piggyback what you guys are saying in
42:28
Speaker 4: terms of like the cheaper captains or off the wall captains, Like,
42:31
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people put him in there
42:33
Speaker 4: and just assume that makes them automatically different than the field,
42:35
Speaker 4: and that's just not necessarily the case. Like when you
42:38
Speaker 4: play those those cheap captains, the lineup kind of builds itself,
42:43
Speaker 4: especially if you're handbuilding, Like, don't fill it all the
42:45
Speaker 4: way out and be the same as everyone else, because
42:47
Speaker 4: they're gonna be even guys like likely. I mean, he's
42:49
Speaker 4: gonna get some ownership, so be careful in that aspect.
42:52
Speaker 4: And then the other thing is, yeah, it's like if
42:56
Speaker 4: you're going off the wall captain and you're you're building
42:58
Speaker 4: multiple teams and he's gonna be like two percent home,
43:00
Speaker 4: don't just play two percent, like make a stand on it.
43:03
Speaker 4: Play at least you know, five six percent could double
43:05
Speaker 4: triple the field, whatever it may be. I kind of
43:08
Speaker 4: agree with our our boy neighbors, like, I think there's
43:10
Speaker 4: there's a chance that this is like just a grind
43:12
Speaker 4: it out type of game. To be honest with you,
43:15
Speaker 4: I mean, would I be surprised if it went over. No,
43:18
Speaker 4: But if I was going to play some bet on it,
43:21
Speaker 4: which I'm not though over under, I probably I'd probably
43:25
Speaker 4: go under. I think these, you know, Derrick Henry Lamar
43:29
Speaker 4: Jackson could be a lot of running on that side,
43:31
Speaker 4: and then the Chiefs, I think it would be fine,
43:35
Speaker 4: you know, kind of kind of running it as well.
43:37
Speaker 4: So I'd probably the under. But again, I wouldn't be
43:39
Speaker 4: surprised if it ends up being a shootout KINFLT very unpredictable.
43:43
Speaker 2: It could be a good night for Teaser Nation. You
43:45
Speaker 2: run the under up, and you run the Ravens points up,
43:48
Speaker 2: because I definitely think the other thing is the Ravens.
43:51
Speaker 2: Being a Ravens fan, they love to show up when
43:54
Speaker 2: it doesn't actually matter. A win's a win. It matters
43:56
Speaker 2: is the NFL. It's important to get as many wins
43:58
Speaker 2: under your belt as possible, especially if you can take
44:00
Speaker 2: one from the Chiefs, which will matter later on in
44:02
Speaker 2: the season. For the seating and all that. But my
44:04
Speaker 2: take would be the remember last year, I think there
44:06
Speaker 2: were six point underdogs to the forty nine ers and
44:08
Speaker 2: everyone's all, this is a Super Bowl preview, blah blah blah,
44:12
Speaker 2: Ravens spanked them. It's because that's how it goes. The
44:14
Speaker 2: Ravens do it when they don't, you know, when it's
44:16
Speaker 2: they don't have to they want to win, they get it.
44:18
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm seeing. So I kind of like
44:20
Speaker 2: that if I was doing something tonight, Title, do you
44:22
Speaker 2: have a quick thought on it? And then actually, I'll
44:23
Speaker 2: let you Title take us into maybe breaking down some
44:26
Speaker 2: of these running backs more We've talked a ton about
44:28
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks already.
44:30
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't really have a strong take. Whatsmore didn't
44:32
Speaker 5: play their guys in the preseason. I think both sides,
44:35
Speaker 5: they're gonna want to get Derek Henry, going want to
44:37
Speaker 5: get Pachacko going.
44:38
Speaker 3: So it's lower to start.
44:40
Speaker 5: But like when you have Xavier Worthy that runs a
44:42
Speaker 5: four to three, that can take the top off one
44:44
Speaker 5: place seven right there, that can change the whole momentum
44:47
Speaker 5: of the game. So I'm definitely not betting the sides.
44:50
Speaker 5: I rarely bet sides or totals in football. It's the
44:53
Speaker 5: sharpest lines out there. So in terms of running backs,
44:56
Speaker 5: I mean it's again, this is where Hoop and I
44:59
Speaker 5: might differ, Like I'm looking at this as it's Pacheco
45:02
Speaker 5: and it's pretty much only Pachecko. They do have some
45:05
Speaker 5: maj p Ryan that they signed a week and a
45:07
Speaker 5: half ago. How much of the playbook does he know?
45:09
Speaker 5: Like I'm not, I'm not putting him in the McKinnon
45:12
Speaker 5: roll on third down like some people are. I would
45:15
Speaker 5: be surprised to see that maybe him and Carson Steele
45:18
Speaker 5: do split that a little bit.
45:21
Speaker 3: Again, you're guessing some I'm gonna be.
45:23
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be playing a lot of lineups today, so
45:24
Speaker 5: i'd be lying if I'm not exing out p Ryan,
45:27
Speaker 5: I'm not exing out Steele, but I want very few
45:30
Speaker 5: teams with them.
45:30
Speaker 3: I don't like them. At the end of the day.
45:32
Speaker 5: I much prefer Justice Hill on the other side. Justice
45:36
Speaker 5: Hill will get work. Keith Mitchell's on the IR He's
45:39
Speaker 5: a way different back than Derrick Henry. Derek Henry's not
45:41
Speaker 5: a three down running back. Third downs, Justice Hill is
45:45
Speaker 5: going to be there. He can catch four passes. He's explosive.
45:49
Speaker 5: I think justin Hill. Justice Hill is a very interesting
45:51
Speaker 5: pivot from Bucker, who's two hundred dollars more. Tucker is
45:55
Speaker 5: six hundred dollars more. Then you got both defenses lower,
45:58
Speaker 5: Agilar lower. So Justice Hill's someone I'm going to be
46:01
Speaker 5: looking at a little bit and just say they get
46:03
Speaker 5: down fourteen seventeen. Well, Derek, they're not going to pound
46:07
Speaker 5: the football with Derrick Henry and I formation. It's going
46:10
Speaker 5: to be a lot of Justice Hill right there, So
46:12
Speaker 5: I can I like him. I'll definitely play some and
46:15
Speaker 5: then yeah, pacheckill Henry, I like Pachecko. I definitely do
46:19
Speaker 5: the Derrick Henry stuff is more of a game theory
46:22
Speaker 5: play because of his price three point underdogs, but he's
46:25
Speaker 5: minus one thirty the score. So yeah, like I'm going
46:28
Speaker 5: to have some lineups where instead of playing Kelsey, I
46:31
Speaker 5: played Derrick Henry or there was she Rice stuff.
46:34
Speaker 3: I guess that price is a little lower, but Henry's going.
46:37
Speaker 5: To be a lot lower than Pachecko. He's going to
46:39
Speaker 5: be lower than Kelsey. There's Mahomes and Lamar higher. He
46:43
Speaker 5: just has to get squeezed at the end of the day.
46:45
Speaker 5: So and again I I vividly remember the Bears game
46:49
Speaker 5: last year. The Roshawn Johnson's the Khalil Herberts of the world.
46:52
Speaker 5: Multiple running backs of them were on the winner. I'm
46:55
Speaker 5: not going to group away Derrick Henry and Justice Hill
46:58
Speaker 5: for that reason, meaning Derek Henry can go rushing two touchdowns,
47:02
Speaker 5: Hill at four K or four point four K, catches
47:05
Speaker 5: four passes.
47:05
Speaker 3: He's in the two minute drill. Nine points is.
47:08
Speaker 5: Enough down there, So I'm not making any rules the
47:12
Speaker 5: Steel p Ryan, maybe Max one, I probably would do that,
47:15
Speaker 5: but somehow they'll go to find their way on there.
47:18
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's a p Checko and Justice Hill's interesting
47:21
Speaker 5: to me, Hoop.
47:23
Speaker 2: I'll let you talk about it real quick there the
47:25
Speaker 2: running backs, Derrick Henry, Justice Hill, we've got him up here.
47:28
Speaker 2: He's talked about the p Ryan versus Steele. Obviously, pacheck
47:31
Speaker 2: O cash consideration, you can use it for everything, but
47:33
Speaker 2: just in general, how you're handling these running backs on
47:36
Speaker 2: the slate.
47:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I guess just clarify the Pacheco thing, Like,
47:39
Speaker 4: I think he's the best running back play on the slate.
47:42
Speaker 4: But I don't think that they're just going to run
47:44
Speaker 4: this guy into the ground, like, I think he gets
47:46
Speaker 4: majority of the carries. Obviously he has some pass catching
47:50
Speaker 4: upside as well. I could see them getting creative with
47:53
Speaker 4: some end to rounds and things like that to maybe
47:55
Speaker 4: limit the number of touches. They're not going to jam
47:58
Speaker 4: him run him into the ground Week one of the
48:00
Speaker 4: NFL season. This is a team that wants to win
48:02
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. So I think he's the best running
48:05
Speaker 4: back player in the slate. But again, I don't think
48:06
Speaker 4: he's going to get like twenty five touches or anything
48:08
Speaker 4: crazy like that. Second favorite running back player is Justice
48:12
Speaker 4: Hill by a mile. I think Justice Hill is a
48:14
Speaker 4: phenomenal play. Forty four hundred, great price tag price right
48:17
Speaker 4: there by with the kickers, the kickers are going to
48:19
Speaker 4: be higher owned. I think Justice Hill could get a
48:22
Speaker 4: lot of work in this game. You know, my initial
48:25
Speaker 4: lean on the Derrick Henry situation is that the reason
48:28
Speaker 4: they brought him in is for goal line stuff. Yes,
48:31
Speaker 4: they're going to use them all throughout the field, but
48:33
Speaker 4: they want him inside that ten yard line, inside that
48:36
Speaker 4: five yard line to you know, take away maybe some
48:39
Speaker 4: of those Lamar Jackson hit. So I could see them
48:42
Speaker 4: using Justice Hill a lot. You know, twenty to twenty
48:46
Speaker 4: yard line in the middle of the field, So I
48:47
Speaker 4: think he has a bigger role than a lot of
48:50
Speaker 4: people are projecting. I get the minus one thirty to
48:54
Speaker 4: score a touchdown, but I don't even know. That just
48:56
Speaker 4: doesn't even seem like all that of an impressive number
48:59
Speaker 4: for a guy that should get the the goal line work.
49:02
Speaker 4: Obviously has had a lot of success scoring touchdowns. I'm
49:06
Speaker 4: not super impressed with that one thirty number.
49:10
Speaker 2: Money Thursday. That's just jam it. He's gonna jam one.
49:12
Speaker 2: It just made up matter for showdown because he's nine
49:15
Speaker 2: K or whatever.
49:16
Speaker 4: So I mean maybe it does good.
49:18
Speaker 2: One.
49:18
Speaker 4: I don't know.
49:20
Speaker 3: Pe Ryan.
49:22
Speaker 4: The thing with his price tag at three K, like
49:25
Speaker 4: he could get there in one drive. Like if he
49:27
Speaker 4: does get a two minute drive at the end of
49:30
Speaker 4: a half, he could get all his points. You know,
49:32
Speaker 4: you could get four catches to to end a half
49:34
Speaker 4: or something and get there in a two minute span.
49:37
Speaker 4: So I do like him, And then I do want
49:40
Speaker 4: to include this Carson Steel guy. You guys said he
49:42
Speaker 4: did good in the preseason. I'll pay attention to preseason
49:44
Speaker 4: at all.
49:45
Speaker 3: Yeah the guy.
49:46
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so.
49:49
Speaker 2: There.
49:49
Speaker 3: They just signed p Ryan to Checko didn't go, so
49:51
Speaker 3: yeah he does.
49:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think he does get some work. And
49:55
Speaker 4: at two hundred, you know, I'll I'll have some. I
49:58
Speaker 4: mean it's not gonna be like a crazy him out,
50:00
Speaker 4: but I will include Steele in my in my player pool,
50:05
Speaker 4: so you know, like Pachecko and Hill the most, I
50:08
Speaker 4: will probably have some Derek Henry. I think he's better,
50:12
Speaker 4: you know, much better suited on teams where you're fading
50:14
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson. I think Derek Henry is a great guy.
50:18
Speaker 4: You know, if you're a handbuilder and you can't get
50:20
Speaker 4: to Lamar, Dereck Henry is definitely got put into those
50:23
Speaker 4: sort of teams. But yeah, kind of where I'm at
50:26
Speaker 4: really like Justice Hill, So Justice Hill will be a
50:28
Speaker 4: key part of what I do tonight. At forty four hundred,
50:30
Speaker 4: I just.
50:31
Speaker 2: Have a sneaky feeling that Henry is just again, I
50:33
Speaker 2: don't play much Best Ball, like literally almost zero. I
50:36
Speaker 2: don't play much season long Fantasy either. I have to
50:39
Speaker 2: play sort of the family ones and the friends ones
50:41
Speaker 2: that I'm in. But everybody just says he's absolute dust.
50:45
Speaker 2: There's no way like that. You know, he's not worth
50:47
Speaker 2: the ADPs and all this stuff. They keep going on
50:49
Speaker 2: about it and like he is healthy, but at the
50:52
Speaker 2: same time, it's just goal line stuff. If Gus Edwards
50:55
Speaker 2: can jam three touchdowns multiple games, can't Derrick Henry just
50:58
Speaker 2: do that? Like it to me, he definitely can. The
51:01
Speaker 2: other thing is is like it just you know, when
51:03
Speaker 2: everyone's down on a guy, that's sort of when they
51:05
Speaker 2: show up. So I could definitely see where he comes
51:07
Speaker 2: into play. But one of the most interesting things to
51:09
Speaker 2: me was again watching a ton of Ravens football last season.
51:12
Speaker 2: Remember everyone everyone was pissed off for fantasy because like,
51:15
Speaker 2: well you got Lamar Vulturing go, it was JK. Dobbins,
51:19
Speaker 2: it was Gus Edwards, it was anybody and everybody that
51:21
Speaker 2: they could run out there. But it confuses and it
51:25
Speaker 2: confused the shit out of the defense and it tires
51:27
Speaker 2: them out. It's they already got to deal with Lamar,
51:30
Speaker 2: now they got to deal with big Derrick Henry. Now
51:32
Speaker 2: Justice Hill. So I really like the Justice Hill take
51:34
Speaker 2: because there's lots of different ways you can use them.
51:36
Speaker 2: He's shifty, flip it out over the top, all these
51:39
Speaker 2: different things. So I just think he's a guy, like
51:41
Speaker 2: you said, his price point, it's fair forty four hundred.
51:44
Speaker 2: It's sort of in that kicker range, and you could
51:46
Speaker 2: just see it where he's a possible candidate here to
51:49
Speaker 2: get in on the action. I think him, Bateman, some
51:51
Speaker 2: of those guys are about to transition to wide receiver anyway,
51:54
Speaker 2: definitely show up for me more than some of these
51:57
Speaker 2: other riskier punts. I think Carson Steel's the one. He's
52:00
Speaker 2: two hundred bucks that obviously he's gonna find his way
52:02
Speaker 2: into some rosters because of that. And again I think
52:05
Speaker 2: p Ryan would be the one. You you know, the
52:07
Speaker 2: chiefs are up big and we're just watching the checkdowns
52:10
Speaker 2: to him late or something as they're just killing the
52:11
Speaker 2: clock and we're like, oh my god, he's about to
52:13
Speaker 2: win someone a million bucks if they keep doing these
52:16
Speaker 2: checkdowns and so kind of how I just see it
52:18
Speaker 2: playing out. But I'll go back to you title wide receiver.
52:21
Speaker 2: We talked enough. I think about Rice, we know what
52:23
Speaker 2: it is with him worthy a little bit. But the
52:26
Speaker 2: other side, Zay Flowers, Bateman, Agalore, breaking the slate people
52:29
Speaker 2: brought up, But just quick thoughts on the wide receiver
52:32
Speaker 2: side of things from you.
52:33
Speaker 5: Well, you're talking best ball, the complete opposite of Derrick
52:36
Speaker 5: Henry was Rashi Rice. That dude's ADP was I mean
52:40
Speaker 5: months ago. Very few guys it like in the eighties,
52:43
Speaker 5: ninety fifties, last month, a month and a half ago,
52:47
Speaker 5: now up to like thirty four. So he's getting all
52:49
Speaker 5: the hype. And yeah, he's a really really good play obviously,
52:53
Speaker 5: but if you're trying to pull Coles, he's going against
52:56
Speaker 5: very good cornerbacks Kyle Hamilton, Marlon Humphrey. They're not going
52:59
Speaker 5: to addle, probably, but it's a good defense Patrick Queen
53:02
Speaker 5: in the middle. I totally like the Xavier Worthy and
53:07
Speaker 5: Rashid Rice. You're looking at sixteen hun eighteen hundred dollars difference.
53:11
Speaker 5: I will have lineups where if you handbuild, you're plugin Rice,
53:14
Speaker 5: you take Rice out, you go Worthy.
53:16
Speaker 3: That's the stuff right there that can eliminate a lot
53:19
Speaker 3: of dupes. And I like Worthy a lot. Like he
53:21
Speaker 3: has to play with no Hollywood there.
53:23
Speaker 5: He's going to be on the field almost every single snap,
53:26
Speaker 5: an absolute burner. Looked really good in the preseason two.
53:30
Speaker 5: He just is miss priced at the end of the day.
53:32
Speaker 5: So Rice and Worthy two of the most mispriced players
53:36
Speaker 5: on the slate. There's some lineups he can go Kelsey
53:39
Speaker 5: all the way down to Worthy. I don't think that's
53:41
Speaker 5: the craziest thing. Now, maybe you'd want to upgrade somewhere
53:43
Speaker 5: else in the middle, but that shows that you can
53:46
Speaker 5: leave salary, And that's a way that I'm going to
53:48
Speaker 5: be looking at to get different, especially because I'm not
53:50
Speaker 5: going to be punting too many of these captains, like
53:53
Speaker 5: I'll be eating more chalk at Captain.
53:57
Speaker 3: Ju.
53:57
Speaker 2: Yeah.
53:58
Speaker 5: So then there's Justin Watson is Wider's three that Nate's
54:03
Speaker 5: was talking about. Then they have Sky Moore, Juju, and
54:06
Speaker 5: Mikole Hardman. I'm gonna make a rule max one of
54:10
Speaker 5: all those guys, and I think Juju's my Juju and
54:14
Speaker 5: Sky are my least favorites. But you're just guessing at
54:18
Speaker 5: the end of the day, Like I don't know what
54:19
Speaker 5: Andy Reid's gonna do, Like he already came out and
54:21
Speaker 5: said Justin Watson's wide receiver three. They're gonna rotate the
54:24
Speaker 5: other ones, but they're also gonna run some two tight
54:26
Speaker 5: end sets with Noah Gray. I like Noah Gray more
54:29
Speaker 5: when we get to tight end, more than Juju, more
54:31
Speaker 5: than Hardman, more than Sky Moore. So at the end
54:34
Speaker 5: of the day, like I will have very very few
54:36
Speaker 5: teams with them. I like Carson Steele, I think more
54:38
Speaker 5: than those other guys down there because he's two hundred bucks.
54:42
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna say Hardman is my favorite of the
54:46
Speaker 5: bumps down there and buy a good margin. I might
54:48
Speaker 5: not have any Juju, know Sky Moore. I'm probably gonna
54:51
Speaker 5: play some Hardman, hoping he is the number four. But
54:54
Speaker 5: again we're guessing Juju could get some snaps. One catch
54:57
Speaker 5: for thirty yards somehow might get there. But yeah, you're
55:00
Speaker 5: playing more Russian Roulette with the wide receiver fours and
55:03
Speaker 5: stuff on KSE. I'll definitely play some Watson, a low
55:07
Speaker 5: a dot guy, but I mean Mahomes scrambles and.
55:09
Speaker 3: Make things happen.
55:10
Speaker 5: We've seen Watson, as you mentioned, Mark Half really easy
55:13
Speaker 5: on the raven side, though, Zay Flowers, Bateman, Nelson a Ular.
55:18
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna be messing with these other guys. The Tyrone,
55:21
Speaker 5: Wallace to the World stuff like that. Again, I think
55:23
Speaker 5: they're gonna want to establish it. I think they're gonna
55:26
Speaker 5: want to keep Mahomes off the field. Patrick Riccard will
55:29
Speaker 5: be in at fullback a little bit. Two tight end
55:31
Speaker 5: sets with Likely and Andrews. All of that eliminates four
55:34
Speaker 5: receiver sets getting those guys on the field, so I'm
55:37
Speaker 5: gonna keep it to those three.
55:38
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55:41
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56:07
Speaker 2: I'm going to clip that runoff of Chiefs Wide Receivers.
56:11
Speaker 2: You just broke down as to imagine playing Mahomes on
56:14
Speaker 2: a main slate with what you just talked about, you
56:17
Speaker 2: literally have no idea. We got Noah Gray, sky Moore,
56:21
Speaker 2: super Bowl Hero me, Cole Hardman. Oh, don't forget about
56:23
Speaker 2: Justin Watson. Juju showed up, They signed p Ryan, They
56:26
Speaker 2: got this guy, Like, how could you ever play Mahomes
56:29
Speaker 2: on a main slate? We're gonna find out this season.
56:31
Speaker 2: But I'll continue, but on this slate, we gotta play
56:34
Speaker 2: him a showdown. So I'm just saying, you did my
56:36
Speaker 2: oliel Worthy.
56:37
Speaker 3: Worthy might help him. It's Rice, it's Worthy, and it's Kelsey.
56:41
Speaker 5: If Worthy starts the year decently cheap, He's got that
56:44
Speaker 5: seventy yard one pass there.
56:46
Speaker 3: But I'm with you, he's the way.
56:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know who it is or who it should be.
56:49
Speaker 2: But then there's always like, but could be this guy
56:53
Speaker 2: about that guy, but by the way him hoop your
56:55
Speaker 2: thoughts on wide receiver, my friend, I just I had
56:57
Speaker 2: to get that out there off my chest a similart.
57:00
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Rice looks really good under price
57:03
Speaker 4: seventy six hundred, is going to be popular. You just
57:06
Speaker 4: eat it. I mean he had a great connection with
57:09
Speaker 4: Mahomes last year. I mean, finds a way to get
57:12
Speaker 4: open really good over the middle of the field. I
57:14
Speaker 4: think he's a phenomenal play worthy as well. I mean
57:18
Speaker 4: those are I think the safest options at wide receiver,
57:22
Speaker 4: and they probably come with the most ownership. Zay Flowers
57:26
Speaker 4: on the Baltimore side, great play eight thousand, and that's
57:30
Speaker 4: the reason kind of why Rice is going to be
57:32
Speaker 4: so popular. He's cheaper than Jay Flowers A Flowers at
57:35
Speaker 4: ak Rice at seventy six hundred. No matter where you look,
57:40
Speaker 4: Rice is projected way more than Flowers in terms of
57:43
Speaker 4: fantasy points. So that's why you're seeing the big difference
57:47
Speaker 4: in ownership. All three of those guys are very solid.
57:49
Speaker 4: All those Chiefs guys to me are guys that I'm
57:52
Speaker 4: playing in mahomes captain teams. Like on those teams where
57:55
Speaker 4: you're getting two or three pass catchers, I'm mixing Watson,
57:59
Speaker 4: Hardminsky More. I don't know who the hell it's going
58:01
Speaker 4: to be. And if there's someone out there that that
58:03
Speaker 4: tells you they do know they're lying to you because
58:05
Speaker 4: they don't know who the hell it's gonna be, or
58:07
Speaker 4: if it's any of them, might not be any of them.
58:09
Speaker 4: And that's the most likely scenario that it's not any
58:11
Speaker 4: of them.
58:11
Speaker 3: And it's.
58:14
Speaker 5: So say Juju Sky and Hardman in the pool. Are
58:18
Speaker 5: you gonna like Max like you don't want Juju sky
58:21
Speaker 5: More in your mahomes.
58:22
Speaker 4: There's yeah, I just I wouldn't get that. If I was,
58:25
Speaker 4: I would make a rule where I just want one
58:26
Speaker 4: of those guys. But the overarching rule would be yeah,
58:30
Speaker 4: Mahomes captain. How many pass catchers do I want? You know,
58:33
Speaker 4: if it's two or three or from building in sets
58:36
Speaker 4: like you guys talked about earlier, that's where I would
58:38
Speaker 4: be playing these guys, Like, I don't really want them
58:41
Speaker 4: outside of Mahomes captain team when I build my one
58:44
Speaker 4: fifty am I gonna get a little bit of these
58:46
Speaker 4: guys on non Mahomes captain teams? Yeah, probably, But a
58:50
Speaker 4: majority of my exposure to these guys I want when
58:53
Speaker 4: I'm playing Mahomes and the Captain. I guess it's the
58:55
Speaker 4: point that I'm trying to make their Bateman Aguilar, I
59:00
Speaker 4: had a ton of interest, to be honest with you,
59:02
Speaker 4: these are guys that I could potentially fade. I like
59:05
Speaker 4: the cheap ish tight ends that we'll talk about more
59:07
Speaker 4: than these guys. So I probably won't have much exposure
59:11
Speaker 4: to Bateman or Aguilar. If I do, it'll be a
59:14
Speaker 4: small amount and or potentially I'll be fading them. But yeah,
59:19
Speaker 4: it's kind of where I'm at. I mean, Rice is
59:21
Speaker 4: a standout, play worthy flowers those are the safest. Then
59:26
Speaker 4: outside of that, a lot of question marks here at
59:28
Speaker 4: the position.
59:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have final thoughts when I do the slate
59:31
Speaker 2: plan up over on the site. But I will say
59:33
Speaker 2: I did a lot of this last year. People liked it.
59:34
Speaker 2: We're just looking at side versus side. It definitely feels
59:37
Speaker 2: like more people are just because of the Rice as
59:40
Speaker 2: the Worthies the Watson's, even though there's more options to
59:43
Speaker 2: choose from. It's a showdown slate and it's way more
59:46
Speaker 2: intriguing to figure out the Chief side to people than
59:49
Speaker 2: it is on the other side, where there's Zay Flowers,
59:52
Speaker 2: Bateman Agal or guys like Tylan Wallace Isaiah. Likely when
59:55
Speaker 2: we get to tight end all that, I don't think
59:57
Speaker 2: as many people want to figure that side out or try.
1:00:00
Speaker 2: And like I said, I actually think the Ravens could
1:00:02
Speaker 2: win this game. I know the guy in here earlier
1:00:04
Speaker 2: with the Chiefs Avatar surprisingly does not think that the
1:00:07
Speaker 2: Ravens are a very good team. But they matched up
1:00:10
Speaker 2: just as good. I mean, if Zay Flowers didn't fumble that,
1:00:13
Speaker 2: if the Ravens didn't play like absolute trash, it's not
1:00:15
Speaker 2: even the Homer in me. There was definitely a spot
1:00:18
Speaker 2: there that it could have been a different super Bowl
1:00:19
Speaker 2: this last year. So didn't work out shout out to
1:00:22
Speaker 2: the Chiefs. They got the job done. You take your
1:00:24
Speaker 2: l's and you move on. But I do think that
1:00:26
Speaker 2: they match up just fine, and I think we could
1:00:27
Speaker 2: see a spot here where just to open up the season.
1:00:30
Speaker 2: It starts that way. I do want to get quick
1:00:32
Speaker 2: thoughts before we go to tight end. I got to say,
1:00:34
Speaker 2: get my feels for a second. Two. I do feel
1:00:37
Speaker 2: so good to be back. We're going a little longer
1:00:39
Speaker 2: on this show. I'm excited just I think it's we
1:00:40
Speaker 2: just want to talk more and hang out, and it's
1:00:42
Speaker 2: awesome to see this chat, everybody in here breaking it down,
1:00:45
Speaker 2: all the good things that we're talking about. This is
1:00:47
Speaker 2: really what it's all about. It's the community feel, bringing
1:00:49
Speaker 2: everybody together, being able to talk about something we love doing,
1:00:53
Speaker 2: and then hopefully celebrating the success later tonight in the
1:00:56
Speaker 2: discord and across with screenshots and fun and prizes and
1:00:59
Speaker 2: giveaway and all that stuff. So I gotta ask real quick,
1:01:03
Speaker 2: we didn't put this out there earlier. Let's do this one.
1:01:06
Speaker 2: We'll pull it up. Who do you got the chat?
1:01:08
Speaker 2: You gotta tell us who you got. We're doing the
1:01:10
Speaker 2: double whammy. This works. So this was so fun last year.
1:01:13
Speaker 2: Give us your take. Type it into the chat. Who
1:01:16
Speaker 2: do you got Baltimore.
1:01:17
Speaker 3: Spread minus three? The spread is included.
1:01:20
Speaker 2: Even whatever they want. I don't care what you can pick,
1:01:22
Speaker 2: spread or game. Just tell me who wins this game,
1:01:24
Speaker 2: Baltimore or Kansas City. I want to get a feel
1:01:27
Speaker 2: from the chat with where they're at and title. I'll
1:01:29
Speaker 2: go to you while they do that. You did bring
1:01:30
Speaker 2: up Noah Gray, so I'll let you start with the
1:01:33
Speaker 2: tight ends. Maybe you do start on the Kansas City
1:01:35
Speaker 2: Kansas City side, because I will say one name that
1:01:37
Speaker 2: didn't come up a lot and usually does and literally
1:01:40
Speaker 2: got forced on us all last season was Travis Kelcey.
1:01:43
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's just because it's Rice
1:01:46
Speaker 2: and Mahomes and Lamar and but Check going all this
1:01:48
Speaker 2: stuff and Henry. Then we've been talking about everyone else,
1:01:50
Speaker 2: but I don't feel like we've been talking much about
1:01:52
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey either. So again, he always gets ownership, it's
1:01:55
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey. But it does feel like there's something there
1:01:58
Speaker 2: today where we're just not hearing about them as much.
1:02:00
Speaker 2: Give me your quick thoughts on that.
1:02:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good point, and like this is where, Yeah,
1:02:06
Speaker 3: if you.
1:02:07
Speaker 5: If I knew what ownership was after a lot, that
1:02:09
Speaker 5: would obviously he'd be one of the main guys. It
1:02:11
Speaker 5: dictates because I know ball and everything is Travis Kelcey
1:02:15
Speaker 5: looked way slower last year.
1:02:17
Speaker 3: Toward the end of the year. They have way more
1:02:19
Speaker 3: explosive guys and Worthy in Rice.
1:02:22
Speaker 5: And at his price take Like I said, like, I
1:02:24
Speaker 5: wouldn't be surprised to see Worthy outscore Kelsey.
1:02:27
Speaker 3: And we're talking almost a four k difference.
1:02:30
Speaker 5: You can do a lot of things by dropping down
1:02:32
Speaker 5: to Kelcey and going to some of those guys, it's
1:02:34
Speaker 5: easier to leave salary where it's harder to leave salary
1:02:37
Speaker 5: in a Kelsey team. I don't love Kelsey, and of
1:02:40
Speaker 5: course that doesn't mean I'm exing Kelsey or by that
1:02:43
Speaker 5: by any means, but I think Noah Gray is gonna
1:02:46
Speaker 5: take some of the snaps. I mean, Kelsey's what thirty
1:02:48
Speaker 5: five now again the first game of the year. I'm
1:02:53
Speaker 5: not playing much Kelsey. I like Mark Andrews a lot
1:02:55
Speaker 5: more because of the price. Again, plug into Kelsey team,
1:02:59
Speaker 5: go down to Mark Andrews. You'll be so much different
1:03:02
Speaker 5: leaving that three thousand or something. Yeah, I'm not playing good.
1:03:06
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be underweight on Travis Kelcey. I feel confident
1:03:09
Speaker 5: in that I like Mark Andrews both the Likely we
1:03:12
Speaker 5: talked about it Likely and Noah Gray.
1:03:14
Speaker 3: I'm hoping it's one of.
1:03:15
Speaker 5: These backup tight ends or defenses that are on the
1:03:18
Speaker 5: winner probably at the end of the day, or Justice
1:03:20
Speaker 5: Hill now that I'm talking through it, because I'm not
1:03:22
Speaker 5: gonna be fully punting too much. Noah Gray likely, Justice Hill,
1:03:28
Speaker 5: I guess I don't even know. I don't like playing
1:03:30
Speaker 5: defenses against Mahomes because he's just so shifty. He gets
1:03:33
Speaker 5: the ball out of his hand, he doesn't take many sacks.
1:03:36
Speaker 5: I like the Chiefs defense a lot more than the
1:03:38
Speaker 5: Ravens defense because Lamar is a lot more prone to
1:03:41
Speaker 5: take sacks, run backwards, etc. It's just the ownership on
1:03:45
Speaker 5: those defenses compared to the kickers that I just lean
1:03:48
Speaker 5: myself going there.
1:03:49
Speaker 3: I prefer Ravens d or.
1:03:51
Speaker 5: I prefer GC against Lamar, and I prefer Bucker a
1:03:55
Speaker 5: little bit over Justin Tucker Leave four hundred dollars maybe
1:04:00
Speaker 5: a little different. No Strong leans too much on the kickers.
1:04:02
Speaker 5: Both of these coaches I think will be just fine
1:04:05
Speaker 5: going forward. At midfield on fourth and one and stuff
1:04:08
Speaker 5: like that, or midfield doesn't matter, but a fourth and
1:04:11
Speaker 5: one at the thirty eight yard line, a fifty four
1:04:13
Speaker 5: yard field goal, or run it with Derrick Henry or
1:04:15
Speaker 5: QB sneak it. I do think these coaches might be
1:04:18
Speaker 5: a little aggressive early, which maybe a slight bumped down
1:04:21
Speaker 5: to kickers, but I like playing the ownership game in
1:04:24
Speaker 5: terms of kickers. Defense is I do think defense will
1:04:27
Speaker 5: get I know who doesn't agree. I think overlooked a
1:04:29
Speaker 5: bit and the backup tight ends today they'll be on
1:04:32
Speaker 5: the field and that's all that matters to have a chance.
1:04:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, it's not really if Hoop agrees,
1:04:37
Speaker 2: because you know, we're all friends here. But the numbers
1:04:41
Speaker 2: tell you already the quarterbacks are like sixty percent plus
1:04:44
Speaker 2: in the flex. Not many people play defense against quarterback.
1:04:47
Speaker 2: Then they got ten. At least we said it'll be
1:04:49
Speaker 2: lower in Captain. But let's say it's twelve to fifteen.
1:04:52
Speaker 2: Even though I think it's higher, but let's just say
1:04:54
Speaker 2: it's somewhere in that range. It could be slightly. It
1:04:56
Speaker 2: just can't be defense heavy today. And so it's un
1:05:00
Speaker 2: unfortunately just true. There's not gonna be very many people
1:05:02
Speaker 2: using these defenses this game to start the season. And
1:05:05
Speaker 2: then we'll get those thoughts in a minute. I'll let
1:05:07
Speaker 2: Hoop rebuttle it, but I just think the numbers tell
1:05:09
Speaker 2: the story. I will say, quick, Hoop, our guy, Chad
1:05:11
Speaker 2: is backing his thing up here. He says, forty five
1:05:14
Speaker 2: to ten. Chad, I'm a man of my word. You
1:05:16
Speaker 2: come back on Sunday it's anywhere near that score, and
1:05:18
Speaker 2: I'll give you your dues will take care of you.
1:05:20
Speaker 5: Man.
1:05:20
Speaker 2: That's just I love the confidence in your team, my friend.
1:05:22
Speaker 2: That's how it should be. So appreciate Chad posting that
1:05:25
Speaker 2: out there. It is pretty equal on these votes, so
1:05:29
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to break the tie with the next
1:05:32
Speaker 2: one and then I'll let Hoop rebuttal and do his thing.
1:05:34
Speaker 2: But let's throw it up there currently currently around this
1:05:38
Speaker 2: some have it forty seven. I've seen whatever, but either way,
1:05:41
Speaker 2: give us your over under. What do you guys got
1:05:43
Speaker 2: for your over under? And go ahead, Hoop talk talk
1:05:45
Speaker 2: to us. Donkey winning all the money on me?
1:05:51
Speaker 4: Who's gonna happen for sure? So I wonder what the
1:05:55
Speaker 4: what's the odds you can get on the alt line
1:05:57
Speaker 4: for the Chiefs minus thirty four and a half.
1:06:00
Speaker 3: Got to be nice.
1:06:00
Speaker 4: He's got to be a nice little payout, right, you
1:06:02
Speaker 4: can book with me, you can look. Yeah, the Kelsey
1:06:07
Speaker 4: thing's interesting because, yeah, we've been doing the show for
1:06:11
Speaker 4: over an hour now and the name really hasn't gotten
1:06:13
Speaker 4: brought up all that much. It just takes me back
1:06:16
Speaker 4: now to like our captain and overall thoughts conversation, is
1:06:19
Speaker 4: he the one that gets squeezed, you know, people going
1:06:22
Speaker 4: to Rice and Worthy? Is it him instead of the
1:06:26
Speaker 4: quarnerbacks that could squeezed a little bit in that captain spot.
1:06:28
Speaker 4: So that's the first thought that kind of came to
1:06:30
Speaker 4: mind for me. And if he is like I think
1:06:35
Speaker 4: I want to be on him a little bit more.
1:06:37
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, he's thirty five. I know he's slowing
1:06:40
Speaker 4: down a little bit, but and he kind of dominated
1:06:43
Speaker 4: at the end of last season. And he looks slow
1:06:45
Speaker 4: as shit. I mean that the eye test did not
1:06:47
Speaker 4: match up to the results. I mean he looked terrible,
1:06:50
Speaker 4: but just got continued to get the job done.
1:06:53
Speaker 2: Like just kids here too. He's in with Taylor Swift,
1:06:56
Speaker 2: so he gets that extra boost. It's like thirty five
1:06:58
Speaker 2: is like twenty five with.
1:07:00
Speaker 4: You know, I think, like the rest of the season,
1:07:02
Speaker 4: like I want to be under on Kelsey, like on
1:07:05
Speaker 4: main slates moving forward, but like first game in the season,
1:07:07
Speaker 4: prime time, I think I might be in more than
1:07:11
Speaker 4: the field for those reasons. We'll see again. I haven't
1:07:14
Speaker 4: built much, but Andrews likely Gray, I think all really
1:07:18
Speaker 4: good plays in the flex Andrews. I think finding the
1:07:21
Speaker 4: captain likely is a guy there using in a variety
1:07:25
Speaker 4: of ways. Last season. I think he was getting like
1:07:27
Speaker 4: snapped out of the slot too. I don't know if
1:07:29
Speaker 4: that's true or not. I think I remember it though,
1:07:32
Speaker 4: So him at twenty six, Noah Gray is just going
1:07:34
Speaker 4: to be involved in some way, shape or form. Sixteen
1:07:36
Speaker 4: hundred for him finds the end zone once he's paying
1:07:39
Speaker 4: off that price tag. So I like him better than
1:07:41
Speaker 4: those other cheap casey wide receivers. We're going we're talking
1:07:48
Speaker 4: defensive kickers as well.
1:07:49
Speaker 2: Here do in one second, I was gonna let them
1:07:51
Speaker 2: keep up in these interestct to Jenna's question, though, we
1:07:53
Speaker 2: talk enough about this, so we may as well answer this.
1:07:55
Speaker 2: You know, I'll answer a couple quickly. Is one is
1:07:57
Speaker 2: this I would do this with Lamar well before, I
1:08:01
Speaker 2: would do this with Mahomes, right. If Mahomes is getting there,
1:08:03
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a you know, through the air a
1:08:05
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff. It's not like he's gonna run for
1:08:07
Speaker 2: one hundred typically on the ground, stuff like that run
1:08:09
Speaker 2: in three touchdowns. Whatever Lamar could do that cannibalize the
1:08:13
Speaker 2: other dudes were like the expensive versions of you know,
1:08:16
Speaker 2: they're not expensive on this slate, but more expensive than
1:08:18
Speaker 2: the punts in Zay Flowers and Andrews, and it really
1:08:21
Speaker 2: hurts those guys more. So you could have this where
1:08:24
Speaker 2: it just ends up being you know, Lamar with Mahomes,
1:08:28
Speaker 2: rice Worthy and two other chiefs. It's not common, but
1:08:31
Speaker 2: I'm just saying if you were doing it, I would
1:08:33
Speaker 2: definitely be going the other way and then somebody else.
1:08:35
Speaker 2: I can't find it right now. But asked earlier about
1:08:37
Speaker 2: leaving money on the table, you can leave tons on
1:08:40
Speaker 2: the table in this game. Title gave a couple of examples,
1:08:43
Speaker 2: but like, you can leave six thousand on the table
1:08:45
Speaker 2: and you're not really being that crazy. What if it's
1:08:47
Speaker 2: a lineup where instead of Lamar, you've got the chiefs
1:08:50
Speaker 2: shutting him down and he doesn't come through and you
1:08:53
Speaker 2: end up putting like a you know, Lamar doesn't do much.
1:08:55
Speaker 2: They lock him down to twelve points or something. It's
1:08:59
Speaker 2: just not needed, and instead Zay Flowers has like three
1:09:03
Speaker 2: catches for one hundred and a touchdown. That doesn't really
1:09:05
Speaker 2: boost Lamar, but Zay Flowers is now super valuable. In
1:09:08
Speaker 2: like a five to one chiefs onslaught, you could just
1:09:11
Speaker 2: need Zay and still leave a bunch of money on
1:09:13
Speaker 2: the table if it's worthy or Kelsey or something like
1:09:15
Speaker 2: that up top, So lots of it.
1:09:17
Speaker 1: More.
1:09:18
Speaker 5: One more thing on that, especially if you think the
1:09:20
Speaker 5: game goes under, because the lower the less points score
1:09:23
Speaker 5: means the less like the guys at ten K separate
1:09:27
Speaker 5: from the five K guys, twelve points or eleven points
1:09:30
Speaker 5: from Aguilar could outscore Kelsey Henry in off games like that.
1:09:36
Speaker 3: So especially if you lean under your it's more viable
1:09:39
Speaker 3: to leave more salor.
1:09:40
Speaker 2: Shout out to the Swifties. I don't know about you,
1:09:43
Speaker 2: he's feeling twenty too. Yeah, I told you he got
1:09:45
Speaker 2: the good game. Start the season off. My daughter's a
1:09:48
Speaker 2: big Swiftiest, so I got a lot of knowledge about
1:09:50
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift and now I got to win some of
1:09:52
Speaker 2: these showdown tournaments to be able to buy these tickets
1:09:55
Speaker 2: to the Eras Tour and all these things. I don't
1:09:57
Speaker 2: even know if she's still touring around, but just one
1:09:58
Speaker 2: of those things, but it could be a thing tonight.
1:10:01
Speaker 2: So go ahead, who take us into the Kickers and D's.
1:10:04
Speaker 2: We'll cover that a little bit, we'll get the fan duel,
1:10:06
Speaker 2: we'll hit the giveaways again, and then we'll get out
1:10:08
Speaker 2: of here.
1:10:09
Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm off the hook with the Taylor Swift stuff. Now.
1:10:12
Speaker 4: My daughter's in middle school and she's now too cool
1:10:14
Speaker 4: for Taylor Swift. Thank god that that was quick, and
1:10:17
Speaker 4: I've moved past it. Tamba, best of luck, because it's
1:10:20
Speaker 4: not very fun. I must tell you, Kickers, I mean,
1:10:23
Speaker 4: these are two of the best kickers in the NFL.
1:10:25
Speaker 4: For fantasy purposes, Bucker and Tucker. Both teams are willing
1:10:32
Speaker 4: to take the long field goals because of how good
1:10:34
Speaker 4: these guys have been at both phenomenal plays, and I
1:10:37
Speaker 4: do think their ownership will be relatively high, higher than
1:10:42
Speaker 4: what we're showing. And on the defensive stuff. The only
1:10:44
Speaker 4: reason I'm not saying that the defenses are going to
1:10:46
Speaker 4: be high owned by any means, I just think they're
1:10:48
Speaker 4: going to be higher on than projected because people are
1:10:51
Speaker 4: not going to want to go much lower than these
1:10:53
Speaker 4: price tags the four k and thirty six hundred, like
1:10:56
Speaker 4: it gets very risky when you go below that. And
1:10:59
Speaker 4: again not saying these defense are gonna be popular, but
1:11:02
Speaker 4: I think they could be more popular than we're even
1:11:05
Speaker 4: projecting here. So that's my stance on defenses. But the
1:11:09
Speaker 4: kickers man very excited to play the Both these guys,
1:11:12
Speaker 4: I think both, you know, fun guys to play on Showdown,
1:11:15
Speaker 4: and I'll be way overweight on both of them.
1:11:18
Speaker 2: Do you think it's because their names are so similar
1:11:20
Speaker 2: why they're both so.
1:11:21
Speaker 4: Good at Yeah? It could be it.
1:11:24
Speaker 2: We got all the narratives on this one here and
1:11:26
Speaker 2: what did somebody else say?
1:11:27
Speaker 5: Here?
1:11:27
Speaker 2: There's another one? Oh our guys Steven neighbors again? Man,
1:11:29
Speaker 2: you know about this who best time to beat the
1:11:32
Speaker 2: defending champs is to beat them just as the Lion.
1:11:35
Speaker 2: Very similar, Yeah, eerily similar. So title I'll go to
1:11:38
Speaker 2: you defense Kickers and you want to add there? Man?
1:11:41
Speaker 5: Now I touched on it a little briefly. I like,
1:11:44
Speaker 5: I feel bucker and talker pretty much quain flips. I
1:11:47
Speaker 5: don't have a strong than there. I do prefer Chiefs
1:11:50
Speaker 5: Dee going against Lamar. Then I really don't like playing
1:11:53
Speaker 5: defense against Mahomes the dude just a the magician. So
1:11:56
Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, with all that
1:11:57
Speaker 5: being said, it takes one bad throat. A pick six
1:12:01
Speaker 5: the other way can change the whole hole slate. A
1:12:03
Speaker 5: kick return can change the whole slate. There's so much
1:12:06
Speaker 5: variance in them, so it's not like I'm exing. I'm
1:12:08
Speaker 5: out by any means. They're low owned a way to
1:12:10
Speaker 5: get different. But I prefer Chiefs defense for sure.
1:12:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, kick Kerr, but Kerr talk Kerr does all go together.
1:12:17
Speaker 2: A guy Johnny Hunter, he's all over it, man, so
1:12:20
Speaker 2: he's got it. Can I play the referees in a
1:12:22
Speaker 2: flex spot? They will be the net, They will be
1:12:24
Speaker 2: necessary if the Chiefs win. Chad would not like that,
1:12:27
Speaker 2: but he will be here, he says, we appreciate you, Chad.
1:12:29
Speaker 2: Where's our guy, Double D. It's not going to be
1:12:31
Speaker 2: official this season till we get Double D out in
1:12:34
Speaker 2: the factory building his handbuilds, but hopefully he comes around.
1:12:37
Speaker 2: If he does, after the show, you can always leave
1:12:40
Speaker 2: a comment down below. I brought it up real quick.
1:12:42
Speaker 2: I don't have much more to add on these guys,
1:12:43
Speaker 2: but if you put like a Bucker in the captain
1:12:46
Speaker 2: with mahomes lamar Rice, just using the sort of same
1:12:49
Speaker 2: concept people are going with, you still have almost seven
1:12:52
Speaker 2: thousand left per spot, and then you know the way
1:12:55
Speaker 2: it would look to titles points. It's probably a lower
1:12:57
Speaker 2: scoring game or it's just a field goal type game.
1:13:01
Speaker 2: And then these guys would just get the natural points
1:13:04
Speaker 2: because they get the ball in their hand every snap
1:13:06
Speaker 2: basically except for you know, the other ones that they
1:13:08
Speaker 2: set up for. You know, Derek Henry gets a snap
1:13:10
Speaker 2: or something along those lines. Rice, we just like him.
1:13:13
Speaker 2: Maybe he just gets those catches along the way. You
1:13:15
Speaker 2: can still fit in the other guys that would be
1:13:17
Speaker 2: sort of that as well. I just think there will
1:13:20
Speaker 2: be Butker lineups with him up top. And if you
1:13:22
Speaker 2: just go this route with it, you're gonna you're not
1:13:25
Speaker 2: It's what title said earlier. You're not actually gonna be
1:13:27
Speaker 2: as unique as you think, because even though you're going
1:13:29
Speaker 2: to a unique captain, you're going to the exact same
1:13:32
Speaker 2: build that everyone else is using. And that's another strategy
1:13:35
Speaker 2: tip with showdown we covered in our course over on
1:13:37
Speaker 2: the site. If you guys haven't checked it out, you
1:13:39
Speaker 2: can actually get this course for free. Go to ship
1:13:41
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1:13:43
Speaker 2: It's forty eight minutes. That was one of the takes though,
1:13:46
Speaker 2: hoop that we covered is when you go to these
1:13:48
Speaker 2: cheap captains. It is kind of another negative towards doing
1:13:51
Speaker 2: it in a lot of cases because people do it
1:13:54
Speaker 2: to then max out their salary with the best plays
1:13:56
Speaker 2: on the slate. And you didn't really do anything. You
1:13:59
Speaker 2: went right to the same lineup that everyone else who
1:14:01
Speaker 2: went to that lower that lower owned captain. You went
1:14:05
Speaker 2: to the most owned version of that those lineups. If
1:14:08
Speaker 2: that sounds right to you who painting that, Yeah, touched.
1:14:11
Speaker 4: On it briefly earlier, and it's yeah, it's true, man,
1:14:14
Speaker 4: because people think that they're just automatically different if they
1:14:16
Speaker 4: go to like a low owned captain, a low cheap captain.
1:14:19
Speaker 4: But a lot of times that's not necessarily the case.
1:14:22
Speaker 4: You got you still have to look at those teams
1:14:23
Speaker 4: pretty deeply because a lot of guys are just a
1:14:25
Speaker 4: lot of players are just playing the same dudes in there.
1:14:27
Speaker 4: They're going to get both the quarterbacks, they're going to
1:14:29
Speaker 4: get the top wide receiver, the top running back, whatever
1:14:31
Speaker 4: they can fit, and then come close to zeroing it out.
1:14:34
Speaker 4: And that's the team that everyone's playing with, that cheap
1:14:38
Speaker 4: ish type captain. So you got to be, especially for Handbill,
1:14:40
Speaker 4: you got to be kind of careful of what you're
1:14:42
Speaker 4: doing in those sort of teams.
1:14:44
Speaker 5: And to add on to that one hundred and ninety
1:14:46
Speaker 5: six thousand the tournament tonight, just say buckers two percent.
1:14:49
Speaker 5: You're looking at thirty five hundred roughly people with a
1:14:53
Speaker 5: bucker captain team. That means that the kicker captain literally
1:14:56
Speaker 5: could be split a hundred times one hundred and fifty
1:14:59
Speaker 5: and that just over duped at the end of the day.
1:15:02
Speaker 3: So the lark, if you're playing a.
1:15:04
Speaker 5: Three hundred man tournament you have bucker captain, sure you
1:15:07
Speaker 5: probably can zero out your team and feel a lot better.
1:15:09
Speaker 3: We're mainly talking bigger stuff.
1:15:11
Speaker 2: Great great call though too, because just going back to
1:15:13
Speaker 2: the Watson play with our guy Mark aff who won
1:15:15
Speaker 2: the Millie, that was one of the megamillies he wanted
1:15:17
Speaker 2: ticket into was a forty four to forty four or
1:15:19
Speaker 2: thirty three to thirty three, the big dog. And so
1:15:22
Speaker 2: even though there was some Watson lineups in it, and
1:15:24
Speaker 2: people are like, that would kind of be a way
1:15:25
Speaker 2: you could go. He wasn't up against thirty five hundred
1:15:28
Speaker 2: lineups that were all going to build it the same way.
1:15:30
Speaker 2: There was not even that many people in the tournament.
1:15:32
Speaker 2: So just little things like that definitely good calls, good
1:15:34
Speaker 2: strategy stuff that we want to bring out here. Hoop,
1:15:37
Speaker 2: talk to us a little bit about FanDuel, man, I
1:15:39
Speaker 2: know we want to get out of here, but just
1:15:40
Speaker 2: in general, we always do cover a little bit of
1:15:42
Speaker 2: FanDuel for everybody, and then you want to add there
1:15:44
Speaker 2: because software pricing less slots use same pricing, and there's
1:15:48
Speaker 2: a lot of different strategy stuff too, But just going
1:15:50
Speaker 2: to FanDuel for a.
1:15:51
Speaker 4: Minute, Yeah, obviously not the most ideal format for a showdown,
1:15:55
Speaker 4: but you know, we uh, we have to deal with it.
1:15:57
Speaker 4: And the prize pools are are pretty big tonight, so
1:16:00
Speaker 4: as always, it's gonna be tough for people to catch
1:16:03
Speaker 4: the quarterbacks on a decent night, Like, you got to
1:16:06
Speaker 4: find someone that can get multiple touchdowns in that MVP
1:16:09
Speaker 4: spot to beat him out. Derek Hendry I think is
1:16:13
Speaker 4: much better play over on FanDuel opposed to DraftKings. He's
1:16:17
Speaker 4: fourteen to five, so the price is up there, should
1:16:20
Speaker 4: keep his ownership in check. But like you touched on earlier,
1:16:23
Speaker 4: he has multiple touchdown upside Kelsey does. I think Kelsey's
1:16:26
Speaker 4: probably a better play over here. But in terms of
1:16:28
Speaker 4: the pricing, things that stand out. Rashid Rice is ten k,
1:16:32
Speaker 4: gonna be very popular over there as well. It's a
1:16:34
Speaker 4: very cheap price tag. Worthy is eighty five hundred. Cheap
1:16:37
Speaker 4: price tag. He's going to be very popular. Mark Andrews
1:16:41
Speaker 4: is eleven k. That's a fair price tag. Both Kickers
1:16:44
Speaker 4: are nine k. Good price tags for both of those guys,
1:16:48
Speaker 4: and you get down to the cheapi's Noah Gray at
1:16:50
Speaker 4: five point five k, I think is a great value
1:16:52
Speaker 4: play again, especially over on fandal. If he finds the
1:16:55
Speaker 4: end zone, he's paying that off and probably inoptimal at
1:16:58
Speaker 4: the five point five k price, So I like him there.
1:17:02
Speaker 4: The Justice Hill play seventy five hundred, I think he's
1:17:05
Speaker 4: still a strong play over on FanDuel. Then you have
1:17:08
Speaker 4: like all those like cheap wide receivers for Sean Bateman
1:17:11
Speaker 4: seventy five hundred, Aguilar sixty five hundred, Watson seven k,
1:17:17
Speaker 4: likely at eight k I think is a really good play.
1:17:20
Speaker 4: P Ryan's eight k. I don't love that price tag
1:17:22
Speaker 4: for him, Hardman sixty five hundred. So pretty similar in
1:17:28
Speaker 4: terms of what we're looking at. Obviously that the quarterbacks
1:17:31
Speaker 4: are going to be the premiere plays over there. Rashid
1:17:33
Speaker 4: Rice is underpriced, Worthies underpriced. They're both on DraftKings and FanDuel,
1:17:38
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's kind of kind of where we're at
1:17:40
Speaker 4: over on FanDuel tonight.
1:17:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know title if you have anything else
1:17:44
Speaker 2: to add. Obviously touchdown site I think would make some
1:17:46
Speaker 2: of my thought process be that, like, you know, maybe
1:17:48
Speaker 2: a Kelsey over Rice again, maybe the ownership goes that
1:17:51
Speaker 2: way over there because people already know this or do it.
1:17:53
Speaker 2: But like the Pacheco's and the Kelsey's, where you could
1:17:55
Speaker 2: definitely see two touchdowns more, maybe you not. You just
1:17:58
Speaker 2: never know how the game is going to go. But
1:17:59
Speaker 2: I could see that, Derek, Derek Henry, I could see
1:18:02
Speaker 2: FanDuel being a little bit interesting tonight with more captains.
1:18:04
Speaker 2: The downside is obviously less slots to fill that you
1:18:08
Speaker 2: need to put in there, only so many guys you
1:18:10
Speaker 2: can get different with and all that. But any quick
1:18:12
Speaker 2: thoughts from you just on fandel Yeah, the.
1:18:14
Speaker 5: Scoring with the bonuses three points for the hundred yard
1:18:18
Speaker 5: receiving rushing and then three hundred for passing may sit
1:18:21
Speaker 5: a little more viable, Like just say it is just
1:18:23
Speaker 5: on the ground. Henry gets the one hundred plus the
1:18:25
Speaker 5: three points is a very big deal. On FanDuel of
1:18:28
Speaker 5: half point PPR touchdowns.
1:18:30
Speaker 3: Mean a lot.
1:18:31
Speaker 5: I think it really stems what is your goal? If
1:18:33
Speaker 5: you're playing on FanDuel, do you not care how many
1:18:35
Speaker 5: people you split with? Are you trying to solo shit?
1:18:38
Speaker 5: If you're trying to solo ship, I would have no
1:18:40
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson MVP teams. It's real, like
1:18:44
Speaker 5: I just do not see outcomes where they're in the
1:18:47
Speaker 5: MVP and there's a solo shipper.
1:18:49
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, twenty dukes is perfect. It pays the lots.
1:18:52
Speaker 5: My quick thoughts leave at least probably fifteen hundred, like
1:18:56
Speaker 5: that's a way to get different.
1:18:58
Speaker 3: There's not many cheap.
1:18:59
Speaker 5: Guys, but just hope Noah Gray outscores and Justin Watson
1:19:03
Speaker 5: or Justice Hill, Nicole Hardman's a little cheat down there,
1:19:06
Speaker 5: and you are at the end of the day, though
1:19:08
Speaker 5: one hundred percent of my GPP action will be on
1:19:11
Speaker 5: draft Gakes today. That's just how it's always going to
1:19:14
Speaker 5: be on Showdown for me.
1:19:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ship Deviser has fan duel too. Just so you
1:19:18
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1:19:22
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1:19:26
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1:19:29
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Speaker 4: Here now, just one quick little shout out to a
1:20:11
Speaker 4: guy in our community. I don't know if you guys
1:20:13
Speaker 4: heard the story, but Sean Vee. He was always in
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Speaker 4: the chat for our shows. He tragically passed away. I
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Speaker 4: believe it was last week or two weeks ago. He
1:20:21
Speaker 4: is a you know, supporter of the community, always in
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Speaker 4: greatly missed in this community. Sad to see that happen.
1:20:30
Speaker 2: I hate to see it. And the thing about Sean Vee,
1:20:32
Speaker 2: lots of interactions with him. I know he was in
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Speaker 2: other YouTube chats and sort of other sites. Always go
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Speaker 2: around and talk about it and whatever. But I would
1:20:38
Speaker 2: say one thing about him thought for himself, absolutely love that.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't you know, ever just to pick up picks
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Speaker 2: It was. It was always a little bit combati that
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1:20:54
Speaker 2: news to see that. I think it was a car
1:20:56
Speaker 2: accident and everything. You're just not not old at all
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Speaker 2: by any means. Just any time you see something like that.
1:21:01
Speaker 2: We love interacting with everybody here in the chat. We
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Speaker 2: we get out of here.
1:21:09
Speaker 5: Yeah, I talked about it on the Best Ball Show
1:21:11
Speaker 5: last week when I heard a couple hours before, I
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Speaker 5: mean that hit home. I joined the podcasting this industry
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Speaker 5: like five years from now or something. I remember selon
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Speaker 5: Vie in the YouTube chat since then, So, I mean
1:21:23
Speaker 5: the YouTube chat is what makes us do this. I say,
1:21:25
Speaker 5: three hundred and thirty six people watching live, plenty watching playback.
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Speaker 5: If there were three people watching us live right now,
1:21:31
Speaker 5: us three aren't sitting here doing this right now. I'm
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1:21:39
Speaker 5: it really hits home. Life is very short. You never
1:21:41
Speaker 5: know when your days to come. So yeah, rest in Pea,
1:21:44
Speaker 5: Sean for sure.
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Speaker 3: That was very heartbreaking.
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