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Oldies, Remakes, and Spin-Offs · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 69 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:34
  I Hate Talking: So, we alluded to this particular word last time when we were talking, I guess, about music, but perhaps some of the things related to Coldplay or the Beatles, or the Animals or just different bands and the music that they produced at certain time periods of history.
• 0:54
  I Hate Talking: So that is our word or phrase of this episode is oldie.
• 0:59
  I Hate Talking: Oh, oldie, OK.
• 1:01
  I Hate Talking: Have you forgotten?
• 1:03
  I Hate Talking: Well, I didn't know what what you were talking about.
• 1:05
  I Hate Talking: Alie Alie, yeah, Alie but Edie.
• 1:09
  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go.
• 1:11
  I Hate Talking: Maybe we'll do a phrase too.
• 1:12
  I Hate Talking: to be uh a 2 for 1, we can do the word oie and ooie but a goodie, as the phrase, OK?
• 1:19
  I Hate Talking: So I don't think it's any surprise to anyone that the word oldie was simply a combination of the word old with the suffixi being used together to produce the word oldie.
• 1:36
  I Hate Talking: So that is the formation of the word, and it was first used in 1874, according to our research, wow, to describe an old person.
• 1:48
  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK.
• 1:49
  I Hate Talking: And then in the 1940s, it was expanded to include an old tune or an old film.
• 1:59
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 2:00
  I Hate Talking: And that's how primarily we use it today, I think, to describe primarily music.
• 2:06
  I Hate Talking: I guess it could describe a film or a movie as well, but I think when I hear the term oldie, I'm typically thinking of a song.
• 2:16
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I agree.
• 2:17
  I Hate Talking: I think of music when I hear that, but I've heard it, yeah, with TV or movies, and even like food, like something that's like an old fashioned comfort food.
• 2:28
  I Hate Talking: But definitely music is what I think of first.
• 2:32
  I Hate Talking: And then music was the primary thing that this term was used for in the 1960s.
• 2:40
  I Hate Talking: So essentially when radio became more of a common format, that any particular radio station that was playing popular songs from previous decades were described as oldies.
• 2:54
  I Hate Talking: And there were a number of radio stations that were playing music during that 1960s, 1970s period that were playing music from the 1950s and 1960s.
• 3:08
  I Hate Talking: So, is that only in 10 years then?
• 3:11
  I Hate Talking: Is that what you're saying makes an oldie?
• 3:13
  I Hate Talking: So we'll get into that in a moment because there's not really a specific agreed upon definition of oldie, but there are some general rules that we'll look at.
• 3:24
  I Hate Talking: And then actually, in some of the research here, as I'm scrolling down, it actually indicates that the phrase oldie but a goodie, was a popular phrase coined in 1958 by Los Angeles DJ Art Laboe.
• 3:45
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 3:46
  I Hate Talking: Well, what songs would he talk about then, being an oldie and goodie?
• 3:51
  I Hate Talking: Like in the 50s, cause obviously the, what I think of as an oldie is a 50s song.
• 3:55
  I Hate Talking: So what do they think of as an oldie?
• 3:59
  I Hate Talking: Like something from the twenties, like uh flapper music.
• 4:04
  I Hate Talking: So, according to a website, Malt Shop Memories Cruise in 1958, that this particular DJ produced a compilation of different rock and roll records, and these would have been from the 50s, so not really that old.
• 4:27
  I Hate Talking: Because this was in '58 and was only playing things from just a few years previous.
• 4:34
  I Hate Talking: Wow, OK.
• 4:35
  I Hate Talking: So it's almost like saying, nowadays, you know, there's songs that get really popular, and then you don't hear about them for a couple of years, and then you play it again, you're like, 05 years ago, that was really a banner.
• 4:48
  I Hate Talking: So that kind of what they're talking about?
• 4:50
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so, but I don't think that's how it's generally used.
• 4:54
  I Hate Talking: And again, that is, yes, and anytime because there wasn't really any specific rules on this particular term to describe a set number of years that have to be reached in order to be considered an oldie.
• 5:09
  I Hate Talking: Here's a question, because I hear some people call the music we did in high school and college oldies, and that's a little bit like ouch.
• 5:20
  I Hate Talking: Do you think our parents bother uh were hurt when we call their music oldies?
• 5:25
  I Hate Talking: They definitely called it that.
• 5:27
  I Hate Talking: Like I remember driving in the minivan with my family.
• 5:30
  I Hate Talking: And the old station was on.
• 5:32
  I Hate Talking: Now it's what they, the parents dance, you know, had at their wedding and things like that.
• 5:37
  I Hate Talking: I don't think I have a particular issue with the term because that is what they are.
• 5:43
  I Hate Talking: I suppose my issue is more that they don't appreciate the music of my era as much as I would like them to.
• 5:51
  I Hate Talking: The kids, yes, -- these -- kids, -- these kids these -- days new music.
• 5:57
  I Hate Talking: No, cause my parents, the song their song, quote unquote, was what's it called that one where it's like, why do birds suddenly appear?
• 6:05
  I Hate Talking: The carpenters, is that who it is?
• 6:07
  I Hate Talking: Every time you are near, I'm not gonna see it.
• 6:10
  I Hate Talking: -- you -- all that.
• 6:11
  I Hate Talking: Sounds familiar, but I think it was from before my time.
• 6:14
  I Hate Talking: Well, yeah, no, that's my parents like their song when they were dating.
• 6:18
  I Hate Talking: Yes, that was my joke of a point.
• 6:21
  I Hate Talking: I don't know this music because it's an oldie.
• 6:24
  I Hate Talking: I see, but you do know it, right?
• 6:26
  I Hate Talking: -- Are you really don't know -- oldies.
• 6:28
  I Hate Talking: I'm sure I would recognize it if I heard it, but I would not be able to quote any of the lyrics or the artist or anything about that particular song.
• 6:41
  I Hate Talking: OK, so that's the song my parents say is their song.
• 6:43
  I Hate Talking: What do you think is our song?
• 6:44
  I Hate Talking: Do we have a song?
• 6:46
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, we had a number of wedding songs.
• 6:49
  I Hate Talking: I'm not sure if there's any particular one that stands out more than others.
• 6:54
  I Hate Talking: Some of them I don't even know if I would remember.
• 6:57
  I Hate Talking: Can you remember any?
• 6:58
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I do remember this specific song that I chose, or maybe 2.
• 7:03
  I Hate Talking: So there was Or Some Sugar on.
• 7:06
  I Hate Talking: It's not our song, but you did that.
• 7:09
  I Hate Talking: -- That -- was at our wedding or the reception, I guess our heat cutting song and they only let you play like 30 seconds of it.
• 7:17
  I Hate Talking: Which I guess we'll have to look up that song because that's probably an oldie even when we played it.
• 7:23
  I Hate Talking: I would guess that's, that was a pretty old song even at that time.
• 7:28
  I Hate Talking: So let's see when that song was released.
• 7:32
  I Hate Talking: That was by Def Leppard.
• 7:34
  I Hate Talking: I had never heard that song, and you suggested it, and then I listened to it later and I was like, oh my goodness, he played this with grandparents and churchgoing.
• 7:45
  I Hate Talking: So, that song was originally released by Def Leppard.
• 7:48
  I Hate Talking: In 1987.
• 7:51
  I Hate Talking: Ah.
• 7:52
  I Hate Talking: So I think that would have been probably classified as an oldie at the time of our marriage.
• 7:58
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 7:58
  I Hate Talking: The other song that probably is even worse than that one.
• 8:04
  I Hate Talking: -- And there's a -- reason you only chose two songs in our entire body.
• 8:07
  I Hate Talking: Yes, so, that is a song by hot action cop called Fever for the Flavor.
• 8:15
  I Hate Talking: And that was released in 2002.
• 8:18
  I Hate Talking: So, probably not quite oldie status by the time of our wedding.
• 8:22
  I Hate Talking: Oh man.
• 8:24
  I Hate Talking: But getting close.
• 8:26
  I Hate Talking: -- 2002 -- was our songs, but these are the songs that are important to me.
• 8:33
  I Hate Talking: Do you know what song we dance to?
• 8:35
  I Hate Talking: I would know it if it came on or you said it, but I would not be able to remember it on my own.
• 8:42
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 8:44
  I Hate Talking: Do you know what song I came down the aisle to?
• 8:46
  I Hate Talking: I remember what song we exited to or -- Whatever that's called when -- you was an oldie, yes.
• 8:54
  I Hate Talking: That was, I can't think of the name, but I know the lyrics.
• 8:58
  I Hate Talking: I see skies of blue and trees of green.
• 9:01
  I Hate Talking: Red roses too, yeah.
• 9:04
  I Hate Talking: Yes, so that was the song What a Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong was the famous person that sang that.
• 9:13
  I Hate Talking: That was released in 1967.
• 9:19
  I Hate Talking: OK, yeah.
• 9:20
  I Hate Talking: So that might have been the oldest song that we played at our wedding.
• 9:25
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, probably.
• 9:27
  I Hate Talking: I guess we did a hymn, that probably beat that out, but As far as modern music goes, it was the oldest.
• 9:35
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 9:36
  I Hate Talking: So, what are your most memorable songs cause apparently the ones that I remember are the ones that I picked, and probably the reason that I picked them is because I already liked them before that particular time of our lives.
• 9:51
  I Hate Talking: And I just had to give those ones to you because you cared so much.
• 9:54
  I Hate Talking: But also, like, we have a lot of very conservative people coming in.
• 10:00
  I Hate Talking: We can't.
• 10:01
  I Hate Talking: We did play the radio edit version of Fever for the Flavor.
• 10:04
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 10:05
  I Hate Talking: We danced to a Matthew West song.
• 10:09
  I Hate Talking: I, I'm so bad at titles on.
• 10:12
  I Hate Talking: So, our first dance song was by Matthew West, When I Say I Do, and that was I can't be right.
• 10:21
  I Hate Talking: This says it was from 2019.
• 10:24
  I Hate Talking: But we are married long before that.
• 10:28
  I Hate Talking: So let me see when he actually made it.
• 10:30
  I Hate Talking: There's a different artist.
• 10:33
  I Hate Talking: When I say I do.
• 10:34
  I Hate Talking: Clint Black.
• 10:35
  I Hate Talking: It was in 1999 though.
• 10:38
  I Hate Talking: -- But I don't -- think time travelers and we played -- music that was that's just a -- Mandela effect.
• 10:45
  I Hate Talking: But that's the song that we dance to.
• 10:49
  I Hate Talking: Maybe it was a re-release or something.
• 10:52
  I Hate Talking: We can't play it.
• 10:53
  I Hate Talking: The copyrights I'm sure, but.
• 10:54
  I Hate Talking: Clint Black, is it Clint Black is the version?
• 10:57
  I Hate Talking: No.
• 10:58
  I Hate Talking: I'll look at my Spotify.
• 11:01
  I Hate Talking: I have it, and once that I while I play it to be sappy.
• 11:04
  I Hate Talking: So it is a re-release apparently because the original one was released in 2009.
• 11:10
  I Hate Talking: March of 2009.
• 11:13
  I Hate Talking: Is that right?
• 11:15
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it could have been, could have been.
• 11:17
  I Hate Talking: Internet sleuth, -- you have lots of information about us -- we're giving away all kinds of how old we are.
• 11:25
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, this is it.
• 11:27
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 11:27
  I Hate Talking: Does this sound familiar?
• 11:28
  I Hate Talking: Yes, but don't play it because we'll get copyrighted and banned from Spotify or something.
• 11:34
  I Hate Talking: So that was our first dance on and then I walked down the aisle to.
• 11:41
  I Hate Talking: No one I don't even know the name of.
• 11:42
  I Hate Talking: Apparently they weren't that memorable to you if you don't even remember them at all.
• 11:46
  I Hate Talking: I can sing them, -- but nobody wants to hear -- that.
• 11:49
  I Hate Talking: It was titled Here We Stand.
• 11:54
  I Hate Talking: Do you remember that one?
• 11:55
  I Hate Talking: Does that ring a bell now?
• 11:56
  I Hate Talking: That rings a bell, yes.
• 11:57
  I Hate Talking: My uncle sang it for us, and I walked down the aisle to it.
• 12:02
  I Hate Talking: Apparently, Usher did a song called Here I Stand in 2013, so my search results are inundated with all of that.
• 12:11
  I Hate Talking: -- I don't see anything before our -- time and it was not an Usher song.
• 12:15
  I Hate Talking: Apparently that's a re-release too, because there's even an Usher song from earlier in 2008, so, people are just rehashing the oldies.
• 12:25
  I Hate Talking: Look at that, of the sheet music and everything.
• 12:29
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 12:30
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that's right.
• 12:32
  I Hate Talking: Here we stand by T Carter music, is what it was.
• 12:36
  I Hate Talking: In 2007.
• 12:38
  I Hate Talking: That's when T Carter music was established, so maybe sometime after that.
• 12:44
  I Hate Talking: But relatively recent, so probably not an oldie at the time of our wedding.
• 12:48
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 12:50
  I Hate Talking: Well there you go.
• 12:52
  I Hate Talking: So, I had more classic songs than you did.
• 12:54
  I Hate Talking: And I had more wholesome songs.
• 12:58
  I Hate Talking: So maybe I did appreciate my parents' music more than you appreciated theirs.
• 13:02
  I Hate Talking: Well my parents would not have listened to that music either.
• 13:06
  I Hate Talking: The carpenters are pretty wild for them.
• 13:10
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 13:11
  I Hate Talking: So, in a roundabout way, I guess we've touched on perhaps some of the definition of a oldie.
• 13:20
  I Hate Talking: And the reason that I think that this is sort of a shifting term is because when it was originally used in the 1970s, It sort of was describing music from the 1940s, mainly the 1950s, a little bit of the early 1960s, and then that sort of stuck for a period of time, maybe a decade or so.
• 13:45
  I Hate Talking: So since radio format was relatively new to the populace, that was sort of the first music that was played, and then at a certain period that was the quote unquote old music, as new music kept being produced.
• 14:01
  I Hate Talking: But then as time progressed, the oldies term became used for just older music in general, not necessarily specific things from the late 40s to the early 60s, and according to most accepted definitions now, it will typically refer to music that is at least 20 to 30 years old.
• 14:26
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 14:28
  I Hate Talking: So our Coldplay example from their formation in 1991 with whatever their first album was.
• 14:35
  I Hate Talking: It was 24 years ago.
• 14:38
  I Hate Talking: 28, no.
• 14:40
  I Hate Talking: More than that, what date are you talking about?
• 14:43
  I Hate Talking: 1990s?
• 14:44
  I Hate Talking: Isn't that what we said 1991 was the formation of.
• 14:49
  I Hate Talking: OK, no, I was incorrect.
• 14:50
  I Hate Talking: I was, I was thinking of something else 1996.
• 14:54
  I Hate Talking: So 30 years ago.
• 14:57
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, 29 years ago.
• 14:59
  I Hate Talking: So, Uh, even the general definition of an oldie, being 20 to 30 years old, it pretty much fits the bill that whatever Coldplay's first album was, is now considered an oldie.
• 15:15
  I Hate Talking: By that definition.
• 15:17
  I Hate Talking: OK, I, I feel that.
• 15:19
  I Hate Talking: And then it still can be used to generally describe music from The late 40s, 1950s, even early 1970s, but now because we are in 2025, it is including songs from the 80s and even 90s.
• 15:37
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, here's a crazy thing that I saw recently.
• 15:41
  I Hate Talking: Do you know the TV show The Wonder Years?
• 15:44
  I Hate Talking: Yes, and I think they again rehashed that and made another spin-off.
• 15:49
  I Hate Talking: Oh really?
• 15:50
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, isn't there the girl's perspective or something like that?
• 15:53
  I Hate Talking: Oh, no, no.
• 15:54
  I Hate Talking: The Wonder Years has Fred in it, and that's the older brother of Boy Meets World.
• 16:01
  I Hate Talking: You're thinking of Boy Meets World, Corey's real life brother.
• 16:07
  I Hate Talking: Has a spinoff?
• 16:09
  I Hate Talking: No, I I'm thinking of something else.
• 16:14
  I Hate Talking: There is apparently a reboot and it did extremely poorly.
• 16:19
  I Hate Talking: Of the Wonder Years?
• 16:21
  I Hate Talking: Yes.
• 16:21
  I Hate Talking: It had two seasons.
• 16:24
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I'm gonna have to look it up, cause what I think you're thinking of is in the Wonder Years, the star is Fred Savage.
• 16:30
  I Hate Talking: And then years later there was Boy Meets World.
• 16:34
  I Hate Talking: And Ben Savage is Fred's younger brother, and he starred in it.
• 16:38
  I Hate Talking: And then they rebooted that with taking Ben Savage's quote unquote daughter.
• 16:45
  I Hate Talking: And reliving it through her eyes.
• 16:49
  I Hate Talking: And a funny story, but there's another show that's not Wonder Years reboot.
• 16:56
  I Hate Talking: OK, I'll look up Wonder Years reboot in a minute.
• 16:58
  I Hate Talking: All right, so what show are you describing?
• 16:59
  I Hate Talking: Boy Meets World.
• 17:00
  I Hate Talking: -- I think you get Fred and Ben -- because they were in the same show.
• 17:05
  I Hate Talking: No, they're not in the same show, they're real life brothers, brothers and they look the same or something very similar.
• 17:11
  I Hate Talking: I see.
• 17:11
  I Hate Talking: So one time I was at a TV taping.
• 17:14
  I Hate Talking: For a show, I don't even remember what it was.
• 17:17
  I Hate Talking: But it was like 25 or so years ago, and it's a show that Fred Savage was in.
• 17:24
  I Hate Talking: And we were watching it was funny, it was like a sitcom.
• 17:28
  I Hate Talking: And then at the end of the show, we were leaving and we saw Fred, who was the star of the show, with his brother Ben.
• 17:36
  I Hate Talking: And I had a friend scream out, we love you, Corey Matthews.
• 17:42
  I Hate Talking: And Fred turned around, he's like, this is my show.
• 17:46
  I Hate Talking: Like, he was offended or half joking.
• 17:48
  I Hate Talking: That his brother, who was not in the show, just watching it, got the attention, not him.
• 17:54
  I Hate Talking: Hm, I see.
• 17:56
  I Hate Talking: Yes, you know, guess what friend that was.
• 17:58
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, but do they listen to this podcast?
• 18:01
  I Hate Talking: Probably not.
• 18:04
  I Hate Talking: I mean maybe but.
• 18:07
  I Hate Talking: She's not a podcaster.
• 18:09
  I Hate Talking: We'll talk later.
• 18:11
  I Hate Talking: I don't, I don't know.
• 18:12
  I Hate Talking: Anyways, but all over the place in this in this episode, but there was a, yeah, there's a Wonder Years reboot.
• 18:21
  I Hate Talking: You've never heard of this apparently.
• 18:23
  I Hate Talking: It was canceled after 2 seasons, low viewership and a change in ABC's scheduling strategy.
• 18:30
  I Hate Talking: Show it to me because I can't find that on Google.
• 18:32
  I Hate Talking: I just googled Wonders Years reboot or remake.
• 18:36
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think it came out in 2021, maybe 2023.
• 18:41
  I Hate Talking: It's hard to tell on the dates here, -- but we're gonna have to watch -- it.
• 18:43
  I Hate Talking: No, it was terrible.
• 18:44
  I Hate Talking: -- Nobody -- watched it.
• 18:45
  I Hate Talking: OK, y'all don't know what we look like.
• 18:47
  I Hate Talking: But to give you a hint, the person I get called out, number one, especially when I was younger, was Winnie from the wetter years.
• 18:57
  I Hate Talking: People would often think I was her.
• 18:59
  I Hate Talking: Do you think I look like that?
• 19:01
  I Hate Talking: Mm.
• 19:03
  I Hate Talking: I don't see it, but I get it so much when I was a kid.
• 19:07
  I Hate Talking: Maybe like you probably had the same style, I think, as a kid.
• 19:12
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I got called Winnie all the time.
• 19:15
  I Hate Talking: Anyways, I wanna watch this now, I guess I didn't know I had a remake.
• 19:18
  I Hate Talking: You do not look like her at all right now.
• 19:21
  I Hate Talking: So, yeah, I mean, she's beautiful.
• 19:23
  I Hate Talking: I'd love to look like her, but I don't think we age the same.
• 19:27
  I Hate Talking: The Wonder Years remake, you can watch on your own.
• 19:31
  I Hate Talking: I don't particularly for that.
• 19:34
  I Hate Talking: She's 50 years old.
• 19:35
  I Hate Talking: That's interesting.
• 19:36
  I Hate Talking: I guess we're getting old.
• 19:37
  I Hate Talking: All these songs that we're talking about are oldies.
• 19:40
  I Hate Talking: All the people that we grew up watching on TV are like really old.
• 19:43
  I Hate Talking: There's the reason I brought up the Wonder Years.
• 19:45
  I Hate Talking: Let's circle back and bring it back to the word of the day.
• 19:48
  I Hate Talking: Because the reason I'm talking about Wonder Years is that it seems like a really old show.
• 19:55
  I Hate Talking: It was made in, was it the 80s, depicting the 60s.
• 20:00
  I Hate Talking: So they were saying nowadays, if you made something, it would depict, like, the early 2000s.
• 20:07
  I Hate Talking: Isn't that crazy?
• 20:08
  I Hate Talking: That is crazy.
• 20:09
  I Hate Talking: Like that just, you know, the Wonder Years talks about the 60s and Vietnam and stuff.
• 20:17
  I Hate Talking: So it's just bizarre to think about.
• 20:18
  I Hate Talking: I mean, 9/11 happened in the early 2000s, so it'd be really crazy to think about a kid telling the story about living through 9/11 right now.
• 20:28
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 20:30
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, Wonder Years 1988 uh 1993.
• 20:33
  I Hate Talking: So, there you have it.
• 20:36
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I guess there's other, probably considered oldies now by most standards, Forrest Gump, where it's describing some of the events that happened.
• 20:47
  I Hate Talking: A quote unquote long time ago when that was originally created.
• 20:52
  I Hate Talking: Or what's the other one?
• 20:55
  I Hate Talking: I mean, there's that 70s Show, which that was made when in the, oh, early 2000s, early 2000s, so, yeah.
• 21:05
  I Hate Talking: And I mean, it's interesting because they, they seem like classics that depicting something from the past.
• 21:13
  I Hate Talking: Yes, first air date was 1998 for that 70s show.
• 21:18
  I Hate Talking: -- I just feel like and now they made -- it that 90s show.
• 21:20
  I Hate Talking: Did you know that?
• 21:22
  I Hate Talking: All these remakes are terrible.
• 21:23
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, see that's, I guess that's what I'm saying is like, that just seems so lame to do the 90s or early 2000s, but I guess it's not lame.
• 21:32
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 21:33
  I Hate Talking: Apparently it's lame because I don't think either of us knew that that even existed.
• 21:37
  I Hate Talking: At 90s show, no.
• 21:40
  I Hate Talking: No.
• 21:40
  I Hate Talking: It also might have something to do with generational bubbles where maybe that was something that was Popular with our generation or even the baby boomers as it were.
• 21:56
  I Hate Talking: That they could relive some of those things that were during their formative years and perhaps the bubble of people that are coming of age now are just either not there yet, or something of that nature, or they're just interested in different things.
• 22:15
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and I think nowadays even, I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I think movies aren't even a big thing anymore, cause everyone's attention span, it's like the shorter clips.
• 22:25
  I Hate Talking: Like you try to play a 1, 11.5 hour movie nowadays, and people just get lost and lose interest so quickly.
• 22:34
  I Hate Talking: And so I think that that's part of the culture now is like, it's much quicker little snippets, the Netflix 30 minute shows or whatnot, hour shows.
• 22:45
  I Hate Talking: You're not getting drawn out storylines anymore.
• 22:50
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps, but there's also those people that binge watch those shows and watch 6 hours of shows all at once, and they're just Is gonna be 12 episodes within that time frame.
• 23:05
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, -- there's a whole meme about it right where both -- ways.
• 23:09
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, where it's like a 4 hour show, no way, but binge watching 6 hours of a 1 hour show, definitely.
• 23:18
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 23:20
  I Hate Talking: Well, it works for both the short attention span and the people that want to watch a longer anthology.
• 23:27
  I Hate Talking: So we've just find our oldies, we've used it in some different contexts and phrases.
• 23:34
  I Hate Talking: The thing that I sort of land on I guess is 25 years and I actually equate that to when a vehicle is considered a classic or antique, and in the United States, most states recognize that 25 years is when you can apply for your antique.
• 23:56
  I Hate Talking: License plate and status of a vehicle.
• 23:59
  I Hate Talking: Oh wow, really?
• 24:00
  I Hate Talking: It's not very long, I guess in our old perspective now, 25 years used to be like a long time to me, -- but I guess not anymore -- bands getting up there.
• 24:11
  I Hate Talking: It can be a classic car soon, but it's had like most of its parts replaced because one of the criteria for an antique, it has to be mostly original or restored condition.
• 24:25
  I Hate Talking: So there has to be some like original parts and there's other more detailed requirements around that.
• 24:32
  I Hate Talking: So like the being -- that -- if you overhaul the, I think you would need to either.
• 24:41
  I Hate Talking: Remanufacture parts or use original.
• 24:45
  I Hate Talking: Parts that are reclaimed from wrecks and junkyards and things like that.
• 24:52
  I Hate Talking: That's crazy.
• 24:53
  I Hate Talking: Do you remember growing up, some of my friends' parents had cars that were so old, they didn't have seat belts, and that was legal.
• 25:00
  I Hate Talking: -- It was supposedly -- at least I was told it was.
• 25:04
  I Hate Talking: Timman Taylor in Home Improvement.
• 25:07
  I Hate Talking: Oh really?
• 25:07
  I Hate Talking: No, I'm trying to make an oldie reference and it went way over your head apparently.
• 25:12
  I Hate Talking: I believe it because I'm sure home improvement is very old as well.
• 25:16
  I Hate Talking: OK, there was there home improvement remake?
• 25:20
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 25:21
  I Hate Talking: Google it.
• 25:22
  I Hate Talking: I don't think so.
• 25:23
  I Hate Talking: -- I bet there -- is.
• 25:24
  I Hate Talking: -- I bet there is and it probably -- is.
• 25:26
  I Hate Talking: The thing I'm desperately trying to get our family into is get smart.
• 25:31
  I Hate Talking: So they did, they did pitch it and Tim Allen was interested, but whoever played Jill, Patricia Richardson was never interested.
• 25:44
  I Hate Talking: So you couldn't do without her.
• 25:46
  I Hate Talking: Or they'd have to kill her off.
• 25:49
  I Hate Talking: There, yeah, there would have to be some complexities there, they would have to be explained or something, right.
• 25:54
  I Hate Talking: So, yeah.
• 25:57
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 25:59
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I mean, I like him.
• 26:00
  I Hate Talking: I think he's, he's busy doing other stuff right now.
• 26:03
  I Hate Talking: Uh yeah, Get Smart, the original Get Smart, trying to get our family on board with.
• 26:09
  I Hate Talking: Our kids aren't super interested yet, but I really think if they give it a chance, they'll like it.
• 26:15
  I Hate Talking: So I'm gonna keep pushing it cause it's such a funny show.
• 26:19
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 26:21
  I Hate Talking: I've tried the same with music and they.
• 26:23
  I Hate Talking: I don't really seem to be all that interested in that either.
• 26:27
  I Hate Talking: There's a couple of them that did enjoy Audioslave for a while, but now they don't enjoy it anymore.
• 26:33
  I Hate Talking: So, I guess, for our final thing, we gotta look up when Audio Slave was formed, and when those songs originally came out.
• 26:42
  I Hate Talking: 2001, so more recently than Coldplay.
• 26:46
  I Hate Talking: But not by much.
• 26:47
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 26:48
  I Hate Talking: 2001, yes, too long ago.
• 26:53
  I Hate Talking: So you're saying that's an oldie.
• 26:55
  I Hate Talking: 2001 to 2025, 24 years, it does fit within the scope of 20 years.
• 27:03
  I Hate Talking: So what do you think people think, like when you're creating something, whether it's music or television or whatever it is, do you think the person knows at the time this is gonna be an oldie or a classic or anything?
• 27:18
  I Hate Talking: Because you're not ever do anything right, like, this is classic.
• 27:22
  I Hate Talking: Like you can't call it that while you're doing it, right?
• 27:25
  I Hate Talking: Unless it's specifically composed in such a way that it is a quote unquote classic, so maybe like a remix, remake.
• 27:36
  I Hate Talking: thing of a classic song, classic show, classic sound.
• 27:41
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I think in everything that we've described, they were new sounds, new hits.
• 27:48
  I Hate Talking: At the time, and now are still somewhat popular and are in the category of oldies.
• 27:55
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, like, I mean, I'm a big Office fan, and they talk a lot about when they were doing it, they really enjoyed what they were doing, but they did not know what a hit it was.
• 28:07
  I Hate Talking: They kept thinking they were gonna get canceled.
• 28:09
  I Hate Talking: And I mean, the office is huge, even, you know, it just continues to get bigger and bigger and more popular.
• 28:15
  I Hate Talking: So they were just talking about like, no, we did not know this was gonna be.
• 28:19
  I Hate Talking: What it is.
• 28:21
  I Hate Talking: So I think that's interesting to think that.
• 28:23
  I Hate Talking: When you're doing something, if you're enjoying it and you believe in it, keep going.
• 28:28
  I Hate Talking: But you never really know until it's all done years later.
• 28:33
  I Hate Talking: If it was a success or not.
• 28:35
  I Hate Talking: So you're saying our podcast will someday be a classic?
• 28:39
  I Hate Talking: Why not, let's keep dreaming.
• 28:42
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 28:44
  I Hate Talking: So, I don't think we think that right now, but maybe in the future, we'll have a hit.
• 28:48
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, I enjoy doing it no matter what, but Yeah, you can enjoy something, but we're asking the question if you know that you're creating something that is going to be a monumental achievement.
• 29:04
  I Hate Talking: No, if I'm gonna put my retirement fund, I'm not investing in this.
• 29:08
  I Hate Talking: I suppose I would take the same tact, but hopefully our listeners have a little bit more enthusiasm for our podcast, and if you do, you can always like, share and subscribe and Who knows, you can always send us text and donate some money.
• 29:25
  I Hate Talking: We don't currently have a way to do that right now, but if that's something that you're interested in doing, yeah, and then perpetuity, who knows, we'll get licensing and hopefully not kick off Spotify for any sound bites that sneak their way in on the songs that we played.
• 29:42
  I Hate Talking: I think we'll edit all those out.
• 29:45
  I Hate Talking: So, I hope so.
• 29:46
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at I hate talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.