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INTERVIEW: Dr. Jamal Bryant Talks Social Media Ministry, Political Firestorms, Target, Druski, Principle Over Profit + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day.
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  Speaker 2: Click up the Breakfast Club, finish for y'all. Done.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it's the worlds most dangerous morning to show the
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  Speaker 3: Breakfast Club. Charlamagnea God, just hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: Envy and Laura La Ross are out to day.
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  Speaker 3: But we got a special guest in the building, Pastor
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  Speaker 3: doctor Jamal Bryan is here.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing, man, I'm doing great. Good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: What does m L k J. You mean to you? Brother? Man?
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  Speaker 1: He means don't fight people.
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  Speaker 4: I gotta remind myself sometimes you just.
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  Speaker 1: Got to have peace.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's it's a difficult thing. It's easy to say,
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  Speaker 4: it's hard to do.
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  Speaker 2: You know. We was having a conversation that just got
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  Speaker 2: in trouble for because when the guy came into your church,
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  Speaker 2: yes and you you said he should be arrested. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Jess was saying that y'all should just beat his ass
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  Speaker 3: because she said, well, she in the church, she used
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  Speaker 3: to grow up in Baltimore.
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  Speaker 2: They used to beat people. Her mama says, no, that
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  Speaker 2: is not true.
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  Speaker 4: No, but I've raised it. Not even he should be arrested.
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  Speaker 4: What's crazy is he's a pastor who left his church
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  Speaker 4: in Alabama, and drove an hour and a half to
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  Speaker 4: disrupt somebody else's church. But the catch to me, Charmaine,
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  Speaker 4: is don't arrest him, arrest his wife who filmed it
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  Speaker 4: and did it on the same principle that y'all arrested
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  Speaker 4: Don Lemon and Georgia Forte. So if you're not gonna
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  Speaker 4: deal with the protester, deal with the journalists who captured it.
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  Speaker 2: Any movement on nothing, nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Now do you know how fast we would have been
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  Speaker 4: arrested if we beat them old white people up. I'd
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  Speaker 4: have a go fund me right now. Please release Pastor Bryant. No,
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  Speaker 4: it's inequitable in America. What justice is supposed to look like.
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  Speaker 4: Justice for white evangelicals is who agrees with me? And
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  Speaker 4: if you don't don't agree with me, then you have
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  Speaker 4: to hit a pay a penalty and a cost to it.
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  Speaker 3: How do you how do you personally balance write your
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  Speaker 3: anger yes with spiritual peace in this world that is
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  Speaker 3: constantly on edge and constantly trying you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you got to remember people just want to
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  Speaker 4: make Jesus weak and absence of testosterone. He kicked over
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  Speaker 4: tables and pulled out whips. He cursed people and said
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  Speaker 4: that you were out of order, he said to pedophiles
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  Speaker 4: off Epstein Island. It's better for you to put a
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  Speaker 4: rock around your neck and jump into an ocean. Hey people, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: people want to pick and choose the lane that Jesus
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  Speaker 4: was in. But I think that we've got a responsibility
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  Speaker 4: to speak.
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  Speaker 1: Truth to power.
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  Speaker 3: You know what's the dif's men being allowed pastor in
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  Speaker 3: a listening past because I feel.
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  Speaker 2: Like you do both.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that you have to do both. Theolojen said,
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  Speaker 4: you got to have a newspaper in one hand and a.
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  Speaker 1: Bible and another.
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  Speaker 4: Who I am concerned about is preachers who say nothing
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  Speaker 4: about nothing. They don't speak to a speak to a
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  Speaker 4: different lane. So if you can't say anything about the
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  Speaker 4: Epstein files, are you gonna say something about immigration? If
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  Speaker 4: you ain't gonna say nothing about immigration, Are you gonna
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  Speaker 4: say something about affordable health care? If you ain't gonna
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  Speaker 4: say nothing about affordable health care? You're gonna say something
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  Speaker 4: about the defunding of HBCUs. If you ain't gonna say
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  Speaker 4: nothing about that. Are you gonna say something about the
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  Speaker 4: Endangement on Voting Rights Act?
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  Speaker 1: So find something?
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  Speaker 4: Otherwise, you're not a preacher you're just a ted talk speaker.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like it's your duty in a way
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  Speaker 3: because you are a leader, right and you're a community
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  Speaker 3: leader at that. So how do you sit in front
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  Speaker 3: of these people every Sunday knowing that they got all
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  Speaker 3: these things on their mind?
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  Speaker 2: Or not talk about it?
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  Speaker 4: And that's what I say the white evangelical preachers who
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  Speaker 4: can find righteousness until it deals with Trump.
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  Speaker 1: I'm waiting on record for one white.
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  Speaker 4: Evangelical preacher to call out Trump and his minions on pedophilia.
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  Speaker 4: You're very quick to talk about everything else. We went
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  Speaker 4: from black lives matter to all lives matter, but nobody
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  Speaker 4: is saying anything about how do we protect and cover
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  Speaker 4: our children. There's been sounds of the lambs with absolutely
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  Speaker 4: no redress. They're quick to talk about righteousness, talk about
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  Speaker 4: they couldn't support Kamala Harris because she was pro life,
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  Speaker 4: But what about the people who are alive? Are you
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  Speaker 4: going to do anything to save God and protect them?
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  Speaker 5: How do you respond to critics that say church folks
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  Speaker 5: just stay out of politics.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, then they don't understand the Bible. The reality is
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  Speaker 4: eighty seven percent of what Jesus did was outside of
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  Speaker 4: the church. What the present American church does is speak
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  Speaker 4: that eighty seven percent of what's inside. And I think
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  Speaker 4: that's why a lot of young people don't go to
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  Speaker 4: church anymore, because they're not hearing anything. Dick Gregory said,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to hear about pie in the sky.
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  Speaker 4: I want to talk about a pound on the ground.
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  Speaker 4: So if you're not dealing with what I'm dealing with
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  Speaker 4: in my contemporary life, then it really is not speaking
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  Speaker 4: to anything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't keep politics out of church when
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  Speaker 3: they bringing the church into politics.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, they claim that we are a Christian nation, but
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  Speaker 4: we don't see it in the values and in the virtues.
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  Speaker 4: How it is that this administration has dishonored and disrespected
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  Speaker 4: black women time and time again. The way that Pambondi
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  Speaker 4: went out really like she was absent of the law,
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  Speaker 4: absence of conscience, that her responsibility seemingly is to protect
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  Speaker 4: the president and not the United States citizen tree.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that we got to do a whole evaluation.
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  Speaker 4: She said, if everything in the Epstein list comes out,
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  Speaker 4: is going to destroy your whole system, Destroy the system,
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  Speaker 4: and let's let's rebuild.
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  Speaker 3: We don't talk about that. We don't talk about destroying
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  Speaker 3: and rebuilding stories. Oh yeah, why is it so important
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  Speaker 3: to destroy and rebuild?
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  Speaker 4: Because I think that people like being safe. And that's
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  Speaker 4: why a lot of people don't change. A lot of
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  Speaker 4: people don't stretch. Is they get comfortable in what they know. Jess,
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  Speaker 4: it is basket and Robins has thirty one flavors. All
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  Speaker 4: of us know. We from South Carolina, we from Baltimore.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody knows thirty one flavors. The number one selling ice
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  Speaker 4: cream is vanilla. Because people don't want anything outside of
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  Speaker 4: that which is regular, and that's which is normal. So
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  Speaker 4: whenever God is coming to disrupt your life, he gonna
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  Speaker 4: put some sprinkles in it. He gonna add something in
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  Speaker 4: it so that you can't just keep going on with
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  Speaker 4: the way that things used to be.
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  Speaker 5: Do you not well, do you find it difficult to
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  Speaker 5: be or how do you balance being a spiritual leader
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  Speaker 5: and an activist?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, it's one and the same. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: able to pick and choose. You are a radio commentator
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  Speaker 4: and you are a comedians. So when people listen to you,
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  Speaker 4: you able to operate in both. It is only church
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  Speaker 4: people that want you to pick one gift. They only
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  Speaker 4: want you to stay in one lane. People who have
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  Speaker 4: more than one gift have the greatest level of frustration because.
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  Speaker 1: People put you in a box.
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  Speaker 4: When we grew up as children in church, we were
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  Speaker 4: told about three wise men that brought gold, franking, sense
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  Speaker 4: of mirth Charlemagne. There's nowhere in the Bible that says
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  Speaker 4: they were three wise men. We assume as three wise
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  Speaker 4: men because it's three gifts. If it was just two
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  Speaker 4: and one of them had two gifts, I can't find that.
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  Speaker 4: It just says that wise men came bringing gold, franking, sense,
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  Speaker 4: and mirth. We just assume each person only got one gift.
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  Speaker 4: Whenever you got more than one gift, people who are
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  Speaker 4: normal will have a problem with you. The people who
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  Speaker 4: deal with depression the most are the people who are
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  Speaker 4: the most gifted. Because when you got to deal with
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  Speaker 4: all of your gift, all of your talent, all of
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  Speaker 4: your knowinging, and you got to adjust to normal people,
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  Speaker 4: it becomes frustrating because they trying to figure out why
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  Speaker 4: you're doing all of that. It don't take all of that,
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  Speaker 4: and so you gotta second guess yourself. Am I doing
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  Speaker 4: too much? Why am I not normal? Why do I
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  Speaker 4: not think like everybody?
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  Speaker 2: Else.
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  Speaker 4: But greatness is never left to normalcy. It's always put
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  Speaker 4: you on the outlers. And that's why you're gonna be condemned.
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  Speaker 2: You think you doing what you called to do.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, if I died and came back twice, I would
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  Speaker 4: be where it is that I'm supposed to be. I
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  Speaker 4: find my greatest level of fulfillment operating in my lane.
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  Speaker 4: And the problem Charlemagne jests with social media is we
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  Speaker 4: have become addicted to affirmation. But can you do what
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  Speaker 4: you're called to do if nobody else understands it, if
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  Speaker 4: nobody else likes it, if nobody else believes in it.
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  Speaker 4: Most people behind Nagandhi say, at first they laugh at you,
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  Speaker 4: and then they want to join you. So you got
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  Speaker 4: to figure out how do I navigate that space of
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  Speaker 4: getting through it. My dad is retired a preacher, and
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  Speaker 4: he said years ago, and it haunts me to this day.
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  Speaker 4: My dad says he is glad he was an Obama's
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  Speaker 4: pastor because if he was Obama's pastor, he would have
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  Speaker 4: told him not to run.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that there's no way that you would have made it.
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  Speaker 4: And so even people who are filled with faith can
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  Speaker 4: be wrong, Even people who are Christians can be wrong
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  Speaker 4: when God is doing something different than you got to
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  Speaker 4: brace yourself.
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  Speaker 2: To walk in. I love that Gandhi quote. It's first
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  Speaker 2: they ignore.
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  Speaker 1: You, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Then yes? Did they fight you?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: And then you would you? Have you gone through all
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  Speaker 2: those da I'm still going through it.
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  Speaker 1: It's in cycles. Yeah, ask me again on Thursday.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And you are to be ignored nowadays.
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  Speaker 1: Listen even when I want to be.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 1: Bishop Jakes said to me years ago that.
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  Speaker 4: After you get famous, to only thing you can do
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  Speaker 4: is become infamous, and you gotta figure out what is
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  Speaker 4: the gift of anonymity, So not being known is a blessing.
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  Speaker 4: I was just talking to my team before we came
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  Speaker 4: in here. The highest selling drug in America, the people,
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  Speaker 4: the narcotic that people are most addicted to, is famed.
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  Speaker 1: People just want to be seen, so they went on
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  Speaker 1: the island. They participated in the rituals.
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  Speaker 4: They was eating flesh, they were dealing with babies, not
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  Speaker 4: even necessarily because they were drawn to it. But they
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  Speaker 4: told them this is the receipt you got to have
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  Speaker 4: in order to be in this space. And a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people compromise themselves for popularity. Even at the risk
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  Speaker 4: of their own integrity.
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  Speaker 3: Pastor, you just answered the question that I've been asking
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  Speaker 3: all week. And I don't want to sound crazy when
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  Speaker 3: I ask it, but I literally have been asking.
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  Speaker 2: Are these people natural born pedophiles?
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  Speaker 3: Are they participating in some type of rituals that like
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  Speaker 3: something they had to do to be in that environment.
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  Speaker 2: Either way it's yes.
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  Speaker 1: But look at the girl.
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  Speaker 4: The lady who got the job at the United Nations
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  Speaker 4: from UAE United Arab Arab Emirates.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein didn't ask for her little sister.
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  Speaker 4: She volunteered her thirteen year old sister and say, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you're gonna like her, she prettier than me. Is what
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  Speaker 4: people will do in order to get to that place.
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  Speaker 4: And so just you know that there are people who
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  Speaker 4: want to get to you. They don't like you, but
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  Speaker 4: they think you're gonna open the door for that.
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  Speaker 1: People want.
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  Speaker 4: Success adjacent, they want popularity connection.
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  Speaker 1: You running the people all the time.
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  Speaker 4: They're not asking you how you're doing, and if you answer,
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  Speaker 4: they don't care. Please listen to my demo. They on
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  Speaker 4: to the next thing. And so to find people who
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  Speaker 4: really are interested in who it is that you are,
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  Speaker 4: Dregs said, no, new friends. Sometimes you got to have
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  Speaker 4: some new friends, but sometimes we stay with the people
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  Speaker 4: who we know from back when you didn't have nothing,
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  Speaker 4: because you trusted at this space. You got to have
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  Speaker 4: a different kind of interrogation on why you really hear,
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  Speaker 4: what is your real draw what's your real attraction? A
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  Speaker 4: lot of people don't know you, but they like the
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  Speaker 4: oil that you carry.
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  Speaker 2: That's scary too. What's the leadership lesson? You learned the
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  Speaker 2: hard way something you and somebody had told you earlier.
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  Speaker 4: The leadership lesson that's the hardest is every decision you
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  Speaker 4: make impacts people beyond you. When you were making decisions
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  Speaker 4: for other people, it's very critical, and it's backfired on
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  Speaker 4: me a whole lot. The worst thing in the world
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  Speaker 4: is to be a selfish leader, and that's what you
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  Speaker 4: are seeing in Trump.
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  Speaker 1: All he cares about is what he feels.
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  Speaker 4: Can you imagine, just for the first time in forty
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  Speaker 4: four years, Gallup polls can no longer report what is
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  Speaker 4: the approval rating of the president?
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: He said, I don't even want to hear how bad
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  Speaker 4: of a job that I'm doing. So I'm no longer
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  Speaker 4: gonna give the employment records. I'm no longer gonna give
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  Speaker 4: unemployment records. I'm no longer gonna give approval. I only
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  Speaker 4: want to hear what makes me feel good, he said
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  Speaker 4: last week. He now wants to tax churches that speak
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  Speaker 4: against them. So the only people who will do well
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  Speaker 4: of people who bow.
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  Speaker 1: Down to Pharaoh.
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  Speaker 4: Anybody who stands up for themselves is gonna find themselves
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  Speaker 4: in a light of five.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you think so many people are willing to
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  Speaker 2: buy it on?
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  Speaker 1: Right again?
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  Speaker 4: For everybody who's listening, who graduated from vacation Bible school,
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  Speaker 4: you member shared reck meshack and have been to go.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody bowed down, but the three yeah, yeah, we don't know.
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  Speaker 1: So three Hebrew boys.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, and they had this terrible president named never and
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  Speaker 4: never Ka knew how to get black votes. This is
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  Speaker 4: what Nebukaneza did. He said, let me bring in good music,
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  Speaker 4: because I know Nigroes bow down to good music. He said,
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  Speaker 4: let me give them gold. They're gonna put it in
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  Speaker 4: their teeth, they're gonna put it around their neck, they're
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  Speaker 4: gonna put rims on their car, and they will bow down.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody bowed down.
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  Speaker 4: This is in the Book of Daniel, except for three
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  Speaker 4: boys and the Three Boys with gen Z, all of
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  Speaker 4: the boomers, all the Millennials, all the x it's the
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  Speaker 4: newest generation that's always gonna be the revolutionaries. The young
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  Speaker 4: generation is always gonna be the ones that kick against
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  Speaker 4: the pricks. And so young people are listening. Don't wait
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  Speaker 4: for your mother, your father, your grandmother. They now safe.
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  Speaker 4: There's no revolution in the history of the world that
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  Speaker 4: doesn't take place at the feet of young people.
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  Speaker 2: Farrell was ultimately defeated them.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Trump gonna be defeated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: When you look at dementia is serious, delusion is serious,
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  Speaker 4: Narcissism is serious. And James Baldwin said so eloquently, evil
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  Speaker 4: always goes too far, that evil never knows what its
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  Speaker 4: limits or his boundaries are. And so as a consequence,
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  Speaker 4: ICE is now pulling out of Minneapolis, they're pulling out
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  Speaker 4: of Chicago because they're seeing that the people are pushing
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  Speaker 4: back in all over the country. There's a ground swell.
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  Speaker 4: Can you imagine me and Jess governors Wes Moore. He
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  Speaker 4: wasn't invited to the Governor's crazy as the only black,
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  Speaker 4: but his was significant that y'all can't miss. Is even
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  Speaker 4: the white Republican governor said, we ain't going Yeah, so
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  Speaker 4: there's a revolution that has taking place that the system
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  Speaker 4: didn't bank, one that I think is getting ready to arise,
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  Speaker 4: and you can see it in these midterm elections when
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  Speaker 4: they try to tamper with those results.
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  Speaker 5: One thing I always loved about you passing Jamal Brown
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  Speaker 5: is like you never try to like you're perfect. And
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  Speaker 5: a lot of people, just people who don't even go
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  Speaker 5: to church, they have a problem with pastors. Oh they
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  Speaker 5: did this, they did How somebody gonna tell me how
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  Speaker 5: to do this and how to build a relationship with
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  Speaker 5: the Lord if they're not perfect? What are some things
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  Speaker 5: that you're still working on even in your own life
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  Speaker 5: with your own self.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Bishop Noel Jones out of LA one of my mentors, said,
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  Speaker 4: God will use a preacher's life just so they'll have
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  Speaker 4: something to preach.
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  Speaker 2: You can't get it out of a book.
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  Speaker 4: And so, had I lived a perfect life, how would
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  Speaker 4: I learn how to preach to people who live through divorce?
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  Speaker 4: How do I learn how to talk to young people
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  Speaker 4: about family? Eleventh grade and getting kicked out? How do
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  Speaker 4: you talk about being side eyed from people in the
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  Speaker 4: church and living through embarrassment and shame and so I
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  Speaker 4: think if we believe that the Gospel is true and
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  Speaker 4: redemption is available and transformation is accessible, then use exhibit A.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that a lot of preachers mess up
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  Speaker 4: because they want to live in witness protection and act
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  Speaker 4: like they ain't never done nothing, Like they ain't never
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  Speaker 4: drank nothing, ain't never slept with nobody, ain't never smoked.
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  Speaker 4: Then how do I know God is real? And you're
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  Speaker 4: giving me nineteen eighty five testimonies? So God has got
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  Speaker 4: to bring exhibit A that you know, God will use
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  Speaker 4: a murderer to free all of his children. You use
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  Speaker 4: somebody who's got a speech impediment to be a spokesperson.
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  Speaker 4: And so I think that the flaws that are in
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  Speaker 4: men and women of God exemplified that it ain't them,
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  Speaker 4: but it's really God that's working through them.
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  Speaker 2: But it's something God had to script from you before
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  Speaker 2: before he could elevate you.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: God had to strip from me pride, and that's hard
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  Speaker 1: for a black man.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: My successes, Charlemagne, are always the size of my failures
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: in order to keep me balanced. Otherwise, James Weldon, John's
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: a drunk with the world of the wine. We forget
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: thee and so I failed the eleventh grade, got to GED,
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: but went to Morehouse, went to Duke, went to Oxford.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: And so most churches I go to only talk about
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: more House and Duke. They don't talk about my GED. Yeah,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: so I got to remind them of that. Someday we're
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: doing one hundred and fifty couples at our church are
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: knowing their bowels. Yeah, but I'm gonna tell them, but
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: your past is divorce. This is my second marriage, and
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: sixty percent of people go to church been divorced. But
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: we don't never talk about that. And so I think
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: it's important for us to talk about the Old Testament
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: and the New Testament on what your journey is. Not
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: that you've just arrived, but it takes you some time
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: and some space, and sometimes you get right, sometimes you don't.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: The Bible says all have sinned, falling short of its glory.
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  Speaker 4: People believe it until it comes to their pastor Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we said we send every day by thought word. Indeed,
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  Speaker 4: Jones rem Jones ain't never gonna do that.
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  Speaker 2: We do.
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  Speaker 4: So many people sinning their thoughts, so they think that
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  Speaker 4: they're better than people who sining their deeds.
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  Speaker 3: Have you taken a step back to look and see
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  Speaker 3: why God has expanded your territory.
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  Speaker 4: I'm amazed, and my amazement is wrapped in embarrassment, And
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: my embarrassment is what brings me humility to so many
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: things that I've gone through in my life. I've got
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: to really pray through Lord use me to push people
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  Speaker 4: towards the kingdom and not away from it is. I
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: don't want to be somebody stumbling block to say, man,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: because of what he did, I don't see the grace factor.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: I feel like they're getting away. And whenever you deal
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: with a megapastor it has always looked at as.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: A Ponzi scheme. Yes, what is real going on behind that?
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  Speaker 4: And I think that your integrity and your character have
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: got to develop and you gotta do it. God never
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: gives me the grace to fail in private. I can't
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: get away with nothing. So whatever it is, it's there,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: it's available. And so when you realize that the ops
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: is heaven, you got to live a different way and
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: hold yourself at a different stand.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great answer because I think that you know
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: sometimes when you're annointing is different.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, you really can't get away with nothing.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: No, I can there's a lot of people that I
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: know you can see doing this here and then I'm like, damn,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: how do you get away with that?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: But I know if I do it, oh yeah, it's
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: it's the end of it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: Oh my God, Like the PPP loans, I wanted to
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: do one bad all my friends, I wouldn't.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Be sitting here with Oh no, for sure, for sure. Absolutely.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Now it's it's a critical thing is that the Bible
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: said He only chastens those he loves. And a lot
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: of times we look at the love of God connected
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: to our blessing and not to our opposition. As a
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: story for those of you who didn't grow up in church,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: don't read the Bibles. A guy by the name of Lazarus.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: He's sick, they said, message to Jesus that he's sick.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: But just this is what bothers me.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: We never know God loves them until Lazarus gets sick.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: No other time before that does he have expressed his
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: love to him. Sometimes in our burden, and sometimes in
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: our chaos, and sometimes in our controversy is where we
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: find the love of God and are able to bounce
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: back and move through it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: And that's who my grandmother used to have a picture
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: in her house and it was called footprints. Oh yeah, everybody, grandma,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: like you see, you see two set the footprint on
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: it and only one, only one brother?
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Why? Why, in my worst times is it only ones
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: that the footprint? Yes, that's when I carried you.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: No, that's crazy.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus, what did you think of.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I thought it was funny. No really, I thought it
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: was funny.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: And the reason why people could identify with it is
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: because we gave him the material, so we couldn't say
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: none of this has ever happened in church. Andy Warhol said,
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: art imitates life, and so those who are offended, let's
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: do a better job of representing the church. Let's do
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: a better job of packaging it. And just you know this,
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: there's some truth in all jokes. So sometimes we got
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: to look in the mirror and not look out the window.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: And so I think it was a great time for
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: the church to reevaluate what we do, how we represent it,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: and how it.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Is that people take what it is that we do.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: It's amazing that you will never see the house of
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: an emol. You'll never see nobody talks about the car
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: that a rabbi is driving because they not posting it.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: We up posting it's some red some wealthy rabbis out
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: here that got a whole lot of money. They own
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: three jewelry stores five blocks from here. But we're not
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: looking for They're not looking for fame or notoriety or
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: popularity or affirmation. They're doing the work. And I think
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: that the church has got to do a better job
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: of doing the work. It's okay for you to have money.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: I say to people, don't tell people the tithe if
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: you never taught them how to invest. If the only
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: time I hear about money in church is about giving it,
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: but not on multiplying it, my job as a pastor
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: is not just to talk about you giving the tithe,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: but to show you how to multiply the ninety And
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: if I'm not showing you how to be a good steward,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: then I'm doing a bad job. Desmond Tutu said, at
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: the end of every year, the poor people in the
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: community should vote to see if the church should be
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: open another year. And if the poor people voted in
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: the community where your church is, would they stay open?
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: And I think that we got a responsibility to serve
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: our people.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: How do you navigate social media because you're on it
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: a lot. But the devil is busy, right, there's a
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: lot of things that aren't real. So how do you
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: have the capacity to know what's what before you comment
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: on it or share. I'm sure people be sending you
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: stuff all the agame. Look at this, Well, how does
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: your discernment work in the digital is I got to.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Figure out how do I advance the Kingdom, the gospel
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: and the message. Our sanctuary in Atlanta holds a couple
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: of thousand people, but online on Sunday morning's fifty thousand.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: So I can't preach against.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Social media when social media is how people are getting
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: the gospel. The reality is more people go to church
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: online than go in person. And so we got to
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: figure out how do we use it towards our good
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: and really amplify the message. Our people regrettably have an
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: appetite for bad news. Yes, so more people are gonna
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: go find out what happened with Cardi b uh than
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: what happened to the Haitians who are unprotected uh.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: And so we got to figure out how do we
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: advance it?
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: And so we've got to really save God our platform
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: so that those positive messages still come through.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: What's up with the Target boycott? Any man?
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: I'm so glad you asked. Let me first say, a
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: year ago I came here, you wasn't here.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: You wasn't here.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: A year ago you got the church members that.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she come for communion. That's right, friends and
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: family day, I got it.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: So let let me first thank you because when we
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: first started, Breakfast Club brought us on and was our
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: biggest platform to announce it. So let me thank the
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: family because of the black community coming together.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Target has lost twelve billion dollars because the community came together.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Their stock dropped from one hundred and forty five dollars
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: a share the ninety three dollars a share. I want
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: to thank the community because foot traffic has gone down
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: by nine point three percent and online spending has dropped
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: at that same number.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: So I want to first thank you because.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: This is the largest boycott for black people since the
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Montgomery bus boycotts seventy years ago, and it wouldn't have
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: happened without the Breakfast Club partner with us. I'm excited
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: because Target has a new CEO. They started just recently
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: and so we're in active conversations to try.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: To come to a resolve.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: I'm excited about his leadership that he wants it resolved
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: and wants to know how he can partner better with
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: the community. So not too soon, I'm going to be
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: coming back to you to tell you where it is
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: that we are. But I think it won't be long
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: before we're able to come to a close.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Do you have a resolution plan in mind? Like, do
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: you know what you're after? Oh?
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm after those same four things I told you about.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Is that they got a partner with some HBCUs.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: They've got to give an account to investing two billion
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: dollars back into the black community. They've got to reimagine
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: if de I is now illegal, how do minorities have
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: access to get the C suites.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: In the company?
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: And four is to make good to what they said
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to George Floyd's family.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: It's amazing to me that all of these corporations want
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: to shun DEI initiatives. But diversity is the only thing moving.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Diversity is what's cool. Diversity is what got people showing up.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Bad Bunny had one hundred and thirty five million people
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: watch that other thing they did.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: That Donald Trump watched, didn't. I gotta add that that
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump watch.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Listen that the canvas just dropped that they pre taped
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: two weeks before the super Bowl. It was only two
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: hundred people in there, and they paid him two hundred
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: dollars a piece in order to be there.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: And there we are.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, all of that, Thank you.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I don't get it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: If a young person's listening this morning, it's my last
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: question and they feel called, but they feel unqualified.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, what would you tell them?
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Then you're probably called God very rarely called you to
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: do something that you're trained to do, Very rarely called
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: you to do something that you got experience or background in.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: He called you and to do something to see where
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: you trusted as a guy by the name of Peter
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: who saw Jesus walking on the water and said, God,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: if that's you, let me come to where you are.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: He wasn't gifted to do it, he didn't have any
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: talent to do it. He asked for it, and God said,
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: because you had enough audacity to ask for it, come walk.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: And so I would say to people, ask God for
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: something dangerous, Ask God for something that if he don't
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: get involved, you're gonna fail At it ask God for
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: something that will put your entire name on the line,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: and that's where God will show up. God has no
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: patience for people who dream safe dreaming a capacity to say,
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: hey God, if you don't get in this, then I'm
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: gonna have an egg on my face.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: It's passing Jamal Bright. Yes, yes it is question because
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I knew.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: I just want to know this because you want to
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: say his pastor Tom Broden to look at me like
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: I got another name. Anyway, what is the difference? Now
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: this makes seem like a dumb question. Yes, what is
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: the difference between a reverend and a pastor? I've never
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: known that, but you're both correct.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, what is the difference?
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: So a pastor has a church.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: A reverend may just be preaching, but he's it doesn't
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: have a congregation that he's over. So Reverend Al Shopton
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: is a preacher, but he's not over a church.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I really did not know that. Yes, I never knew
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: that either. I just thought it was like the same,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: like two words to say the same thing.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: It means that you are ordained, but you're not necessarily
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: over a flop. Okay, okay, So Reverend Jesse Jackson never pastored.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: But he's an ordained preacher.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: Got so do people have to say reverend pastor doctor
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: Jamal brand No, okay.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Choose one up. Yeah no, don't do it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Where'd you go to high school in Baltimore?
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't go to high school in Baltimore. My mother,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: she she made me so many.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: I was getting in trouble when I was a teenager race,
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: so she moved me up eighty three to go to
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: high school in York, Pennsylvania high school, Yes, she did,
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: and I wanted to go to.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Represent your Pennsylvania. You've been on here saying just all Baltimore,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: give your damn doune.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Now she knew what she talked about, how she got
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: hooked on drugs. But I'm not hooked no more, past
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: no more.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Yo.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: The witness of Jehovah's be trying. I'm telling you not
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the witnesses of Jehoah.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: Because that's what him and his wife is, They witnesses
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: of Joe.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: My mother was a Jehovah witness. My mother, gri mother
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: is the witness now, so I grib Jobah witness. I
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: didn't know that. Yes, sir, yes, sir, you're still a
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: witness to God's great glory. Yes I am.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question, Yes, sir, Jehovah witnesses
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: don't believe in Christmas, they.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Don't celebrate holidays.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, how did the.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Jackson five do a Christmas album? And y'all are Jehovah
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: witness Oh my god?
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: And Jackson I was Jehovah's witnesses. Oh my god. Yes
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: that's the word.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Mama Kay is still knocking on doors.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: They was getting that money?
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Seriously, how did they do that? I have no idea.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Go answer, Go ask them because you.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Just told us. God doesn't call to qualified.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Hey, listen, qualified to call I got I was called.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: I got it?
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you?
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: All right? I saw Mama Kisson, Santa Claus right, the
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: witnesses of Jobah?
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Howse passed? Jamal Brian is the breakfast club.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Every day a week ago.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Click your ass up the breakfast glove.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: You're finishing, y'all.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Dump