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'Married to Medicine' Season 12 End-of-Season Deep Dive with Carlos King · Gabbing with Gib

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Gathering with Gid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Gibson Johns, and today on the show we're doing our belated end of season deep dive for season 12 of Mary Tim Medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As I've said many times, it was very busy time in the proper verse right now, so many shows are on, so many new shows are coming on, so much drama is happening outside of the shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot to cover, but I wanted to make sure that I was still able to tie a bow on
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[SPEAKER_00]: This season I'm married to Madison, because as you'll hear in my conversation with Carlos King, who is a reality TV producer extraordinaire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He produced early seasons of real housewives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He still produces reality TV.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also hosts the podcast reality with the King where he breaks down a lot of reality TV, interviews a lot of big reality TV talent, and people who listen to my show, and also people who listen to his show, seem to like when we collaborate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he felt like the perfect person to have on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's all here from our conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We both really liked this season of Mary Timmett.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It felt like a strong offering from this show that has been so consistent over the years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I really wanted to make sure that we were able to discuss it even if it's a couple weeks late.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's it for up top here today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to keep it short, but keep listening from my end of season deep dive for season 12 of Mary Timmett, a send with Carlos King.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Check out his podcasts, reality with the King wherever you listen to podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want a gab.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, today we are gabbing once again with the King himself Carlos King, host of reality with the King podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just on talking about ladies of London, real haussaz and new jersey news.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Carlos is here to help me talk about Mary to medicine season 12, just wrapped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Carlos, we were just talking about how much is going on right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you holding up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a busy day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a busy weekend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's only Wednesday, which is funny enough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So on top of everything else I have gone up with my shelves, run the company, you know, you have to feed the people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And listen, I'm still trying to like wrap my head around everything that's going on with summer house and Jersey announced me last week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Atlanta's premiering Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's a lot Rhode Island is coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do we have three premieres this week?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do they do this to us?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know, I'm like, well, thank God, Mary, to medicine rap because I did a break from something to add more to my plate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, and I'm also like, you know, we get so wrapped up in this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I actually want to make sure that the show is that a rap being like, get there, do, because I like to do these sort of rap episodes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I actually like, this was probably my favorite Mary and to medicine season in a couple years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I was pretty rap-roped in
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the some of the new people are really kind of stepping in and they feel more promising than new people in previous years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say, what were your sort of overall top line thoughts about this season, Mary, to medicine?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How are you feeling?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed the season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've said as per year as Gibson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That I'll always put that merit to medicine was the best show and Bravo that just did not get us just do and I do feel like in recent years The audience has definitely sort of watching it more and appreciating this masterpiece of a show, but yes, I think the addition
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[SPEAKER_02]: Steve and Dr. Mimi, Angel, Brandy, everything just made sense and felt right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Contests of return.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Heavenly, although a friend of I listen, it's giving full time to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know their definition of a friend, but it was giving full time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, just slapper in the main titles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what that was about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I thought it was a season that is going in the right direction, which for a shell 12 season, and that's not easy to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like it never fully lost, that there are anything I just felt like there were a couple of seasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were like, the new editions weren't really working, and it got like the story was lure repetitive, and there were a relying on having these YouTube essentially for storyline the whole time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, this didn't feel like that to me, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have more material to dive into.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why, you know, as we talk about part one and two reunion as well, I enjoyed Steve and Eugene having the discourse because we've never seen that amongst them in the mid always played a cool, we're not here to you know overtake the women's drama, but Steve said I am here to do that and Eugene said well, let's do it together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't say that I was expecting going to the season for Steve to be like a potster and somebody who was going to like lean into the drama aspect of the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was a...
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[SPEAKER_00]: a fairly pleasant surprise that would say, yeah, he's mixing it up too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I listen, I enjoy Steve, you know, I think he's something that the show needed because the show's called Maritime Medicine, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as they show about female doctors or the wives of and they did a great job at casting the main five OGs, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I consider having OG because
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the men have never really fully inserted themselves so much in what the ladies were talking about and I think Steve and Eugene both played this new role well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It terms of being way more vocal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We saw you gene to season step in to the pin his wife without her needing his defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Saying no, we're not going to have you guys talk about this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Leave her alone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Toya come with me back to the hotel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're seeing that for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're seeing Steve calling out someone and making statements that rivals Peter Thomas on the vera of lies of a land court where
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's in the women's business and he's questioning Eugene's manhood and Curtis is now being more vocal and and I think the other guys are like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: equally entertaining as a women segment yeah it's usually like if there's marriage issues that we're never talking about that otherwise it's just sort of like shooting the shit you know but this felt like actually consequential and it's funny because I also one of the things going into this reunion I feel like it was the toy-on-walkshappens live must have been the very end of last reunion I guess or last season where she made the comment about Curtis you know putting his hand
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw that and I was like, okay, if I'm a producer, I'm leaning into that comment for because Jackie's been out of the drama for a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She likes to skate above it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, that Toyota didn't mention the words about Curtis there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny that it took the entire season and then into the reunion for it to really become like a substantial thing where Curtis was clearly really bothered by it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it took a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and thank God for Toya.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, thank God for Toya.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Atlanta Housewives better be celebrating that Toya Bush hair is not on that show because she is in the housewife.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She lives in Atlanta and what she does is she...
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[SPEAKER_02]: Toya is so smart at injecting a moment that will carry into another season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When I did my interview with her and Eugene on my podcast, he was making a couple of statements about Steven and Mimi.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I think Mimi's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She said, you mean Brandy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, no, Mimi, she said, you must mean Brandy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's happening?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Gibson, I dropped the interview with Toya the day before they take the reunion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was told that the cast watched my interview with Toya and that's why Steve came in so hot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because he was pretty to think she was saying outside of the show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But my point is, Toya knows what to do to make moments happen and that's why she is such a staple on that show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I completely agree and I felt especially this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt that she like had a lot of moments like that where she was she got things popping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to speak and to use Laura's a Pippin parlance, you know, like that's like she did a really good job and also like there was this sort of
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[SPEAKER_00]: one of like the centerpiece moments I think of the season was her reaming out Eugene at their party in front of everybody like that was like a big moment that I feel like a lot of stuff came out of what you think of that of that moment and sort of what came out of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well that was the main topic of my interview with her Eugene because I I watching it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: uncomfortable for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And listen, Toya has a big personality off camera on camera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel back for Eugene because I'm like, okay, I don't want him to be subjected to another situation where his response to things have been questioned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what people don't know that I'll tell you, me and Toya had a phone call conversation because I didn't reach out to her because
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I reached out to say to her, like, you are carrying this show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I can't, like you're saying gives it like this season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was something different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Toya is such an underrated reality star.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she didn't feel good about that moment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I offer her to come up on podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause I, I wasn't aware that she felt that
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was more that was there that wasn't shown, which of course all reality stars scored that way for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's just the nature of the beast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But fundamentally, she wanted the world to know that I do love my husband.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not trying to disrespect someone for this makeup camera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: there's things that you guys just don't see even when there's no cameras like this is our dynamic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And um, I give her so much props because she talked about like not feeling her to her childhood and and being raised to where a woman really doesn't speak up and she always wanted to and we she left her house.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I'm gonna, I am a woman here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Me war, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And listen, has she taken that too big stream?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but the good news is she has a knowledge that and um Again, it's one of those moments where I said to her it was fantastic to watch But I would stand doubly not fantastic to relive and she clearly had
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[SPEAKER_00]: several beverages.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also contributed of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another big thing for Toyo was her being passed the Medgala to plan it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that obviously was a bit of a cluster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in some ways, I feel like the women wanted to see her fail to do it because of how much how much she had given them in the previous year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But ultimately, she pulled it off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She pulled it off
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also love that you called out, me and see if we're not buying those tickets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they deserve to be called out for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, like I, I think they've been great for the show, but like you're wearing Louis Vuitton to every scene.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't buy the $100 dollar charity ticket.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, well that was a part that was so funny to me because as a producer,
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[SPEAKER_02]: when the cast have these events, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, it's, it's, for charity and yes, you, you should donate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the difference between this and like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kenya Moore's Masqueray ball where she gave me an award, and he had no idea she'd be awarded.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was charitable, but again, can you not charging the cast to come up because she's like, it's a show, but I need them there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the difference I'm interested in medicine is it was a Medgala that was brought on by the ladies at one point and money does matter because it's going to scholarships.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I understood why Steve and Mimi may not thought to pay because they're thinking I got my call time right I have to be you know and they're like hi and
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do think they were caught off guard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because let's be clear like you said, Steve wears Louis Vuitton to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have $100 for $50.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think if they would have known, and they're defense people to pay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're a little set off a little bit over the... Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, making a moment, making a moment for the finale, come on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, I'm here for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here for it as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, speaking of me, me, I, I, I also like, now that I did, I didn't really have a strong feeling about her in her last season, like her first season, and so I think the way that she stepped in this season, like really, we all talk about Steve, but she really opened up so much she locked in a lot more than I ever expected her to like I didn't really know she had this in her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of these moments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously like her personal story and having a special need to sign like that was some of the most special TV that we saw this season and extremely emotional and she was so open and obviously that probably helped a lot of people to see that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the one of the raps against her is that she kind of overtheropides as her friends and can come up a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A whole year than now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of that and how the other women were reacting to me me this season?
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[SPEAKER_02]: was it, it's not that I wasn't in to me me it I just wasn't different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was like, okay, she's there fine because like you said and I agree with you finding new women on American medicine never worked out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I I think for me subconsciously nothing I'm being about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't want to get invested because I was like okay, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, totally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Another one and done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I love I like all drug for example and I was invested
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mimi has done a great job at season, especially when it comes to discussing her special niece child because that is something that is super relatable, you know, I have a nephew who is special needs and I see my brother and his wife have the go through
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[SPEAKER_02]: to take care of their son and it's extremely tough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it goes to show you that amount of how much money you have or education you have.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This stuff does happen to anybody and I thought she's doing a great job at explaining it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And even those moments where we saw her home life and in the car, yeah, where you know, the behavior was shown that what she was describing her interview and we got a chance to
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she's breaking down a crying and even when she talked about how, you know, she, all she wants is for her husband to say, you're a good mom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, she had me there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, that was really hard on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it goes to show you that you don't have to be the super dramatic reality star to have the audience warm up to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of the other women, do you think that they're fair and like her assessment and their assessment of her?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 100% listen, I'm preachy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, my friends say to me like, what do they say to you, Carlos?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, my friends will say to me,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and we're like, Adinner or just hanging out and they are talking about like their lives, and I have questions and they're like, This is not reality with the king girl, like, not, not, I don't need you to interview me, like, another rain drop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some games and they're like, just listen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, totally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know what that feels like to wear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because it's in you, like it's in me to be a journalist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's in me me to be a psychologist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, is she someone that they're like, girl, I don't need your diagnosis, 100%.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's enough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It gives me, I'm feeling you the same way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm a question asker, a hundred percent, and it's like it's a partially, it's partially a deflection tactic, it's partially like, I don't want people ask the questions about me, I want ask questions about you, and I want to get the T about you, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's, yeah, we see each other, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, and it's part of our job, but it definitely still is over and that's a natural thing, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I guess I do, yeah, now I relate to Mimi on a different level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for bringing it down to Mimi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I love her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the little moments that sticks out for me about Mimi, though, was when she confronted Brandy about not wanting to like say she would vote for heavenly, because she thought that Brandy was just copying what Toyota would, like, we're like taking kind of orders from Toyota.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, like, that's just sort of an encapsulation maybe of like hierarchy on a cast and like putting people in their place and, you know, people being each other's
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[SPEAKER_00]: Minions a little bit like it that was an interesting sort of encapsulation for me of of this cast you know, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was so funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Listen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I being me means accurate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like brandy for this show and I'm going to bring them to be on a get like for a day a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The one thing that I that no one has has been able to answer and I've access to Toya.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hemal herself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And quad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why does Brandy Shade heavily so much?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, as I'm watching this show, I don't see heavily ever doing anything to Brandy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to rent that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess I'm on, understood, got it, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much to me the brandy shade to have a late terms of even on watch my apples lives she's like I don't think she's going to win and I'm not voting for her and it was sort of like okay damn yeah and when she's constantly shading heavily her confessionals I'm like what is this comfort but Gibson no one has the answer and and my point is it does make you think like okay we know that Toyota and heavily have issues
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you being talking about peace?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, totally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess you could say the same for Heavenly that she sometimes becomes a people who have never come for her or whatever, but like as a new person at lands very differently or sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And especially two gifts that she used to work with Dr. Damon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why there's a destiny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so maybe there's more there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they should mine that in season 13.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe, maybe there's an experience from that time, because we, she mentioned that, but I don't think we really heard about that, you know?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't move.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Add it to list for season 13, if Heavenly, you can go back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's, the Heavenly campaign thing is interesting, because it's sort of like, I understand, like, I guess on a human level, like, you know, okay, let me let it out, let me not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like that's a cast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you'd want to vote for her and support her kind of like at base level because like it it's helpful for the show, it's helpful for the brand, it's helpful for her like I don't know if I I feel like if I was on that cast, I would vote for her regardless just because you know well that's
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, unfortunately, some of those women just don't hurt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They can't get there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, they just can't, and in all fairness, I can understand logically why.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like the brandy thing makes no sense to me at all because to your point, if you'll have a priori experience, when you work for Dr. Damon, let us know because the shade is there and I'm confused.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not confused why I'm not going to spoil you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to bump her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't think she should win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, agree with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, I at least can get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And my concern, though, is this is such a strong path.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you have mentally play such a, so roll.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think.
21:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, if you extract heavily from this season, yes, it'll be a fine season, however,
21:36
[SPEAKER_02]: The drama was really, especially the early episodes was her and Toya, upon the purse, that her son, the purse, every other purse.
21:44
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
21:45
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, and then it meant towards the middle of the season, it was her and some own.
21:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
21:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So what's happening?
21:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because Havana can't help herself, and that's why she's so good at being a reality star.
21:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And that also explains why like, coming into this season, I'm like, all right, Havana is running for office.
22:02
[SPEAKER_00]: She has a campaign to do.
22:04
[SPEAKER_00]: She's gonna have to go politician.
22:06
[SPEAKER_00]: But I didn't see any change in behavior from Heavenly from one season to another.
22:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that she is trying to be a politician, I was expecting a little bit more of a tweak, maybe or a correct or not a correction, maybe just like a, you know, a little bit more of like an easy breezy, but no, that's not that's just not heavenly.
22:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess you can say, she's authentically herself and she can't help it.
22:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's just going to be that regardless of whether she's running for office.
22:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think the voters can appreciate that.
22:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That I think so too, call to personality as well.
22:40
[SPEAKER_02]: This is who you are and that's that.
22:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And but that's why this season was so good because I miss that tutorial.
22:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like you're antagonizing heavily to come out of this president.
22:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
22:53
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, personal knowledge.
22:55
[SPEAKER_02]: That's part of it.
22:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, like that was part of Toya's method to her madness, which is great.
23:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And I will say this.
23:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Heavenly really show more of the politician side during the reunion.
23:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Because there was so many moments.
23:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Old Heavenly being like,
23:15
[SPEAKER_02]: going there, and I thought she really did a good job.
23:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Ristlessly restraining herself.
23:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if Heavenly, if Heavenly had not restrained herself as much as she did at the reunion, maybe it would have been a gotten a third part.
23:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
23:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So go the way.
23:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's why you need.
23:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I'll say this one.
23:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if listen, when Heavenly went,
23:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I almost, I, I, I, I, I, I see a world where you can still be a reality star.
23:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.
23:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.
23:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she has, maybe she's actually a friend of the show at that point, you know, but I think she can still be on the show.
23:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was interesting.
23:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you mentioned her sons arrest and we heard that he had some mental health struggles.
24:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of have like led to that moment.
24:03
[SPEAKER_00]: They're, they're being very vague, which I think is totally okay.
24:06
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think.
24:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was called out, like she didn't really want people to talk about it, she didn't want it to be discussed, and it's like, well, I know it's a really tough topic to talk about and it's very, you know, touchy, but how many times has Heavenly talked about really touchy things about other U-Balls lives pretty flippantly on her YouTube channel.
24:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like,
24:26
[SPEAKER_00]: She wanted treatment that she doesn't really has not given other people in the past, generally speaking, right?
24:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
24:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's one hundred percent fair, right?
24:37
[SPEAKER_02]: When you watch a show as early as her induction season two, she definitely always reminded us of being that like,
24:49
[SPEAKER_02]: She's going to do this and you're going to do that, like you said, her YouTube channel was in for three seasons.
24:54
[SPEAKER_02]: We're like the biggest topic.
24:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Literally, it always coming from there for a while.
24:59
[SPEAKER_02]: It was that was a minute and I was a lot of the the content beer.
25:02
[SPEAKER_02]: So listen, heavily, definitely has rubbed the women in the wrong way.
25:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Per sure.
25:09
[SPEAKER_02]: When it came to her talking about
25:14
[SPEAKER_02]: the size of Eugene's penis, you know, not that she brought it up, but that obviously tore your dead and she and heavily reminds them.
25:22
[SPEAKER_02]: And we saw it this season.
25:24
[SPEAKER_02]: We're about to husband his small thing, you know, like these are things that obviously is true.
25:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I can see clearly.
25:32
[SPEAKER_02]: why women feel the way they feel and for me as she runs for office I also think two things can be true true.
25:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think you can't evolve and grow and try your best to not be the person you were.
25:46
[SPEAKER_02]: We're seeing that this season on Beverly Hills was sat in.
25:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I missed the old side of the hatch too.
25:50
[SPEAKER_02]: And her now she's crying over Chad GBT.
25:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean sat in brown to go home.
25:55
[SPEAKER_02]: We need something
26:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be interesting to see how she fares for something like season because number one she has to come back.
26:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's so much more, there's so much more there with her Simone and Jackie that you have to see the continuation.
26:17
[SPEAKER_00]: She's the wedge.
26:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
26:19
[SPEAKER_00]: She's the wedge and you bring up Simone and like,
26:22
[SPEAKER_00]: it is interesting because definitely wants to keep the arrest and something that stuff more private.
26:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And then kind of on the other side of the hand, she's also sort of criticizing taking a shot at Simone for airing out her family business.
26:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And someone's like, no, this is like very naturally what has come off this season.
26:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just being authentic.
26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, Heavenly Alpha takes a shot about her not about Cecil not supporting Simone enough, but you know, Damon is very much heard her number one supporter when Andy
26:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Heavenly is the wedge between Jackie and Simone.
26:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was really accurate in that.
26:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I really think that it's the wedge and then Jackie feeling not knowing what to do with that still after all these years, you know?
27:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and Jackie isn't a rock in a hard place because we've all been a situation where we collectively had a group of friends when we all hung out and unfortunately out of that friend group, two people just may not get along anymore.
27:22
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're in the middle, you do listen.
27:26
[SPEAKER_02]: The harsh reality is this.
27:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's nice to say, I can have a bullet that you can.
27:33
[SPEAKER_02]: One person will always feel like you're choosing the other person's side, even if it means like you spend more time with them.
27:39
[SPEAKER_02]: In the moment that more you hate, whatever the case may be,
27:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I think for Jacky heavily, her and some mama call the golden girls at one point.
27:47
[SPEAKER_02]: They had a friendship and I did think some moan is not going to forgive him.
27:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she's made it plain.
27:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, she does not want to befriend her anymore, which makes me sad because I know how much they love each other.
28:02
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do feel bad for Jacky because she's not capable of these two strong hit at friends.
28:12
[SPEAKER_02]: to get them to come back together, which is why next season, you need to see Jackie really do the work.
28:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think what was made, some of the set besides not holding, heavily accountable the way she wanted her to, those are her words not mine.
28:32
[SPEAKER_02]: You never saw Jackie even try.
28:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
28:35
[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, I feel like it's always been Simone and heaven or the past couple scenes have been met Simone and heaven Lee and how much they've had the Gen Jackie just sort of as there.
28:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to see more more of Jackie's role highlighted because I do think, I mean, listen, like saying that Simone is a physical threat, which would have been Lee said after she after Simone, Heavenly said she pushed her.
29:00
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?
29:01
[SPEAKER_00]: A Simone took her arm off and
29:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I was having this debate with my panel, that it was a game of some math it's because, okay, and you took it back out this wrong because I watched it a dozen times.
29:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, this is Havali's arm and I'm Simone, the Simone's hand, and we saw this, right?
29:26
[SPEAKER_02]: So one thing that I was like curious and I would love to get your thoughts on it,
29:32
[SPEAKER_02]: This could be considered a push.
29:36
[SPEAKER_02]: But somebody said to me, the emphasis of the word push.
29:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
29:40
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like an aggressive attack.
29:44
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, I read the whole-
29:46
[SPEAKER_00]: The amount of times they've shown it to us, I just feel like, and maybe it is sort of a push of the arm, but I feel like she's taking her arm off of her shoulder and shows you, so she can walk away.
29:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to me when I hear push, I'm thinking of Simone pushing, haven't leased like body, like in her chest.
30:02
[SPEAKER_00]: That's sort of how I interpret that word.
30:06
[SPEAKER_00]: If somebody on my panel's have a big exact same thing you see it.
30:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And that to me is a much different physical movement and like implication.
30:15
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, physical threat is also like such a big such a big thing, especially about a black woman.
30:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And then first for Jackie to be on Walsh happens live and not shut that down.
30:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I'm Simone, I would feel the same way as Simone, I think.
30:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And I understand Jackie's in between are all going to hardplace, but she could have shut that down and still maintain her friendship with Heavenly.
30:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I do believe that.
30:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So that I'd be disappointed as well, but I was also really heartened to see how much Jackie took.
30:48
[SPEAKER_00]: She recognized how serious the moment was being at that reunion.
30:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Those tears coming down.
30:53
[SPEAKER_00]: She said, fuck all the other opinions.
30:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to sit next to you on this couch and have this one on one until we figured out.
30:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I respected that.
31:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I really did it.
31:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And that felt really authentic to me.
31:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm glad that Jackie really read that moment well.
31:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I think
31:09
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of cut the bullshit and was like all right right like I think she handled pretty well no she definitely did and you're right this is what I know about Jackie Jackie
31:25
[SPEAKER_02]: tries her best not to get involved in her quest of not getting involved.
31:31
[SPEAKER_02]: She unfortunately draws a line of sand without even knowing she's doing that.
31:38
[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, when she made that comment in support of Heavenly saying like,
31:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she didn't.
31:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she was looking at it like I saw this happen.
31:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think what we're all understanding now and I'm glad that you corroborated what other people are saying too.
31:55
[SPEAKER_02]: When you heard push you think that and also think this, I think in some most events, some probably felt like Jackie when the world was mad at you, basically your comments about black women, infertility,
32:08
[SPEAKER_02]: We all release a statement and support of you because you care about it.
32:12
[SPEAKER_02]: We are in it some most of the fence, some own kids about her career and she made it clear that those words can do damage to her reputation.
32:23
[SPEAKER_02]: She could maybe be investigating all these things, which
32:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I don't know how worth it in medical field.
32:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a doctor, so I'll take her word for it.
32:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's where the tears came from, like, of all people who care about your career so much, we all decided to support you, where you were being dragged on TikTok.
32:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think some of just wanted a little bit of... Yeah.
32:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally, yeah.
32:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I'm your lunch break buddy at work.
32:53
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, don't totally.
32:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's totally, that's really well said probably most viral scene from the whole season was Simone with her sons and and Cecil.
33:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like they ended up the season in a much better place, but that that sparked a lot of conversation and discourse.
33:11
[SPEAKER_00]: What were your thoughts on it then and then how they evolve, I guess.
33:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I,
33:18
[SPEAKER_02]: I could relate to that scene, not that I'm a parent or anything, but I have siblings.
33:24
[SPEAKER_02]: And it has been a topic conversation amongst my relationship with my siblings, who are parents.
33:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And my friends are our parents.
33:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the toughest things, especially in the black community, is
33:38
[SPEAKER_02]: spoiling your child because we grew up and I having a lot, so I wasn't getting more and listen, everybody can relate to that.
33:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think when it comes to some moan that I saw in the first scene of them having the family meeting was a fact that they all felt entitled to her money and they didn't care about how overworked you felt or underappreciated the felt.
34:02
[SPEAKER_02]: They felt like, I mean, what do you want me to do?
34:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Hearing someone say, you only live once.
34:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Boy, your kids, if that's how you feel perfectly fine.
34:18
[SPEAKER_02]: However, the moment you have another Albert, we're not going to be inside anymore, right?
34:24
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we, Mike Overviewed after that episode air that she ended up by him a Tesla.
34:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like,
34:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like almost all of that.
34:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
34:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
34:36
[SPEAKER_02]: When it's all about about then, now I listen, now I'm, I'm team Michael.
34:41
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't take you seriously because you end up doing the total opposite of what you're yelling at them about.
34:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just think listen, I'm not anybody, especially as someone who's not a parent.
34:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to talk any about how to raise your children.
34:57
[SPEAKER_02]: The one thing I will say though is
35:01
[SPEAKER_02]: it border for your child or children to be to have a safe work ethic as you to where you accumulate it as well.
35:11
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to instill that in them too.
35:13
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you give them every single thing,
35:17
[SPEAKER_02]: they're not going to be able to be equipped in this world to handle challenges in that way.
35:24
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just, my personal feeling is if my child is telling me they want to go to law school music to my ears.
35:32
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've more than likely would pay 100% of it because that's such a an amazing career to have.
35:39
[SPEAKER_02]: you don't need a Tesla to drive to law school.
35:43
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
35:44
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't.
35:44
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my, but that, but that's me.
35:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's your style.
35:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would, that would be your style.
35:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally.
35:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I don't want to.
35:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll pay 100% the tuition.
35:53
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be driving a Jeep.
35:56
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be taking the bus.
35:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
36:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
36:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Quad, I think it was really nice to see Quad back in this group in a big way, Quad's always been just somebody who I've,
36:06
[SPEAKER_00]: gravitated towards on this show like I just think that she's such a brick and star and you know, she felt part of the group again opening up about her IVF struggles, which I is not easy.
36:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sad it didn't work out.
36:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It was tough to hear that didn't work out with King, but also like there were some things he showed this season that I was like, I don't really like how he talks to her and I don't like some of his antiquated views of relationships.
36:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it seems like it was for the best so they didn't end up together.
36:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And she seems to maybe think that as well, judging by what she's selling the reunion.
36:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I just, I think quantitative, had a pretty solid season.
36:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like back and back truly in the mix.
36:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Going back to what I said about Heavenly and giving her the grace to grow, I'm seeing that of quad.
36:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Watt had a few moments where she could have easily been so on the side of Heavenly that she wouldn't get in some own and toyed up at the sake of the sport, but even after reunion,
37:16
[SPEAKER_02]: You saw her defend someone like, no, so most should do this and, you know, he will be solving into arguments.
37:22
[SPEAKER_02]: So he then, yeah, he, I think, quality of the excellent job at making sure to have sustainable friendships with these ladies and also, in her way, hold everyone accountable that she sees fit.
37:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I did an interview with her and heavily together, and
37:41
[SPEAKER_02]: She disagreed with a lot of things heavily with saying.
37:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was shocked because there are clothes.
37:48
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when I've realized like no quad is in this for the long run.
37:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Like she, I think she now understood the value of listen.
37:58
[SPEAKER_02]: We can be close, but I have to see things clear.
38:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And look, if you try to kick me off the show, I was about to say that.
38:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, having me
38:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't really let that happen to, you know, and so like, I'm glad they're back to being good friends and either they're meant to be, but like, I'm not forgetting that, you know, like, I'm keeping that in mind that don't put all my eggs on one basket essentially, you know,
38:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I did have a laugh, but she became having these campaign manager.
38:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I did have a nice laugh, and there was an illusion to that.
38:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll never read you knew that I thought was really, really funny.
38:38
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, why can't even keep her in check for the campaign?
38:40
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something that I was just like...
38:42
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why I love this show.
38:44
[SPEAKER_00]: They can still laugh at these things, you know?
38:46
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's so good.
38:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And listen, if you ever listen to the Quattalk, you know, she has a month long.
38:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
38:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And I listen to it for I listen to it as a podcast every day.
38:57
[SPEAKER_00]: If I could.
38:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love it.
38:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I told her, I don't understand my telepory.
39:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't reached out to you yet.
39:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
39:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
39:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Like she chose her.
39:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, my face, I just love it.
39:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, no, so you, you're right, her being have Liz campaign manager made so much sense because she's the one that I would, um, enlist as well because I would want somebody who has the articulation and the, the, the, the sort of power in their voice to spread the message and when class speaks you listen.
39:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, like you, you can, you can envision her like,
39:37
[SPEAKER_00]: standing at like a stand with like 20 microphones in front of her like whole court with with all the reporters and stuff on having these behalf absolutely like that is that kind of is like the role she's meant to play I guess.
39:50
[SPEAKER_00]: The last two people we have to talk about, Contessa, you mentioned her sort of being back very much.
39:55
[SPEAKER_00]: She's full-time in the season again.
39:56
[SPEAKER_00]: She had her big birthday party, and she had that thing with Brandy, which I actually thought was really entertaining at the reunion.
40:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very unsee-erious.
40:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought was so good, like, no, he played a dinner.
40:06
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he played a party.
40:07
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a dinner.
40:08
[SPEAKER_00]: That was fantastic.
40:10
[SPEAKER_00]: That's classic house.
40:11
[SPEAKER_00]: That's classic bravo house-wise vibes to me, you know?
40:14
[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like other than that, Contessa, to me, like it's hard to sometimes articulate,
40:19
[SPEAKER_00]: The role she plays, I guess, because she doesn't always have like the biggest standout last season together, big fight with Heavenly, but she's just like a really solid presence on this show.
40:27
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a later addition who I think carries her weight personally, but it's hard to sort of pinpoint it in words.
40:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Like how would you describe Contessa and the role she plays in this group?
40:37
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, listen, when she left the show, I was like, what is happening here?
40:45
[SPEAKER_02]: A great, you know, the one thing she had before she left was she was so likable due to the fact that she never...
40:57
[SPEAKER_02]: picked sides and I always felt like she she's like she's sorry with being and she was like I'm on call things out as I see I'd never felt she had an alliance ever yeah and even today I don't think she has any alliance.
41:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she's they'll do her job and that too and she loves her husband
41:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And we were able to see her and Scott go through their marital woes that was interesting and then we saw her and heavily have a fall out because I have a little YouTube and that was fascinating to watch now that she's back I definitely think her role is she sort of
41:30
[SPEAKER_02]: She's sort of what you encourage Dr. Jackie to be.
41:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Just so like sit back as the professional, see things from all sides and then say things how she sees it because one thing I love about Contessa as poised as she is, she can go there.
41:46
[SPEAKER_02]: We saw that last season her changing.
41:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Emily, yes, we saw this season.
41:51
[SPEAKER_02]: She can go there with the petty talking shit about Brandy's birthday dinner and even when Brandy tried
42:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Give it back, give it back at the reunion.
42:03
[SPEAKER_02]: You saw contest of be poised again and said, I'm gonna let you finish first, okay.
42:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me know what you're done talking, then I'll talk.
42:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And that, that to be was sort of like, okay, I think she's great for the show.
42:17
[SPEAKER_02]: What I would say is this, I would like to see more of contest of playing the role
42:26
[SPEAKER_02]: inserting herself more in the conversation to give her opinion, even when on the cast trip that was her trip to Miami, she definitely allowed them just to talk as she insert herself here at there but very small.
42:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think she has the personality to wear.
42:44
[SPEAKER_02]: The women knows that she doesn't play favorites.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she is somebody who I will listen to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they'll take her seriously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that's very true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because Dr. Jack is going to...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she has more of an allegiance to people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and she's not going to tell you how she feels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So tell you, on camera, on the phone, like we have seen this season, we have to call the round, where you said, Toya is doing a horrible job.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like, it's like, Jackie, like, be exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I agree, Jintessa has, she has that Jackie factor, but I think she has a stronger personality and a stronger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't talk about Angel the other newbie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought she was pretty good, but the thing with the guy on the trip was really bizarre to me, you know, when she brought that that was bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Toya, you know, stirred the pot and her in her dating life, which I thought was a little heavy-handed, but it did the trick, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think about Angel overall?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love Angel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Angel has a lot of promise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was someone's going on that because she's a friend up and rightfully so there was a big story laugh on her or big concentration on her and then that's what happens with your friend up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Similar to Brandy, I thought Brandy when Brandy was in and she was in it and then she kind of faded to the background because she's a friend who she'll too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think Angel Angel's gorgeous look at the the deep between her and Toya to me was like you said very bravo house wife is silly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I enjoyed it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it didn't have any legs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, outside of like a two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: episode shared again to the season, but I think I would like to see more of Angel in the Mistwaquad because in real life hernquad are really really really tight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, yeah, and I would like to see that more and I think her having an allegiance would quad and hamily as a
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[SPEAKER_00]: trifecta um powerful will give her more camera time definitely and honestly as a friend of and she's still got in her movie premiere the scrubs line line for Ted Laudra that's that's a pretty good showing for a friend of to have two different different side hustle or career things happening and shown that's pretty good yeah yes you and you were at them are you again there listen I've worked on the shows where we
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[SPEAKER_02]: offerings of don't come to reviewing it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Monique Mining, season six, Elena Housewives, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Never.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or you get cut out completely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thinking of Tiki Barber's wife in Jersey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Blinken, Blinken yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even he didn't blink, he wouldn't see her, because they didn't keep her in, but she was there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we ever find out the mystery of my bad happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but it's really funny because like I just feel like almost like once a week on Twitter, there'll be some question that's like, you know, who's the most iconic house I have all time?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who had like the best reunion moment ever?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like inevitably somebody will post that one picture of her sitting and
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm literally in a chair of my y'all to have room on a couch for this before one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It made us roll to this bicelli roll in a way, back away, you know, like I'm, I'd love to know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually, I'm going to, that's not going to make that my mission.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to figure out what happened to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Barbara, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Carlos, I feel like we've kind of, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of covered all of our bases when it comes to the season of Mary Thames.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked to everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I honestly would take this exact same cast for season 13.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No notes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's so much, as you said many times that there's so many other things they can explore in some of these relationships.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the, I think the newbies bring enough to keep them around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, no changes get the cameras up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, no changes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need anybody remove.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need anybody at it.
46:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's anything add more time to brandy and angel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because they, they have something and I don't think um, I don't think anything needs to be tampered with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Carlos, I appreciate you coming on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As you said, when I was on your podcast last week,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you have the rain drops and then you you deemed gotten with give listeners the dirty johns yes which i think you know has a nice ring to it has a nice cheeky ring i think it is it's so fitting for you because you come across so innocent the most guys like you come across the way they you know what about them
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dirty, and other words, I've been a dirty John.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dirty, not the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not taking, but the not only, I'll take it, I'll take it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You are, listen, you're extremely likable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You come across extremely innocent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, there's a little spicy side to give to some, what call are you in the dirty job?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The dirty jobs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You heard it here first, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you heard it here second.
47:56
[SPEAKER_00]: If you will listen to reality with the king, you heard it there first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Carlos reality with the king, you're covering so many things so many as you mentioned like interviewing everybody, killing it, just whenever you release it, like several times a week, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've got, yeah, maybe like four to five episodes of incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, it is hot topic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the summer house scandal, we dropped an episode of a bonus one yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you can find reality with the king wherever you get your podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're also YouTube at
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, you know, we have to make the appearances to we're going to do better this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll do more doing more collaborate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would love to see that Carlos, I appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have a good rest of your week and we'll talk again soon.
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