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Patriots Unfiltered 4/25: Possibilities at 14, Aaron Rodgers Trade Reaction, Potential Draft Day Trades · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: Lads, our lads, Our lads.
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  Speaker 2: Our lads report today of a certain quarterback on campus.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 2: at ji Lette Stadium. But more importantly, it's Draft week
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  Speaker 2: finally that's coming in two days on Thursdays. So we're excited.
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  Speaker 2: We just had another one of our draft meetings. Make
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  Speaker 2: sure everybody's ready, rolls and responsibilities. More importantly, food gets ordered,
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  Speaker 2: so we're ready to go. It's Deuce, it's Evan.
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  Speaker 3: Paul's back, glad to be back.
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  Speaker 2: From his vaca, a little bit back from his vac
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  Speaker 2: used the sunscreen, very smart, and we got Deuce. We
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  Speaker 3: They're busy.
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  Speaker 3: You couldn't get them down here.
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  Speaker 7: I think they knew that this was like the last
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  Speaker 7: draft show and we'll probably gonna be this is Evan's
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  Speaker 7: time to shine. Where we put all the hay in
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  Speaker 7: the barn and sum it all up, and I think
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  Speaker 7: we're all just well.
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  Speaker 2: We will be talking to draft obviously, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: there is some other news out there that we have
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  Speaker 2: to address. Aaron Rodgers, it's official they've come to terms
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  Speaker 2: the Packers with the Jets, and he is going to
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  Speaker 2: be in the AFC East. How do we feel about that? Not?
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  Speaker 3: Great?
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  Speaker 2: Great?
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't Mike no.
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  Speaker 7: I mean it's I mean I would say, like, hey,
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  Speaker 7: it'd be kind of fun to see Aaron Rogers twice
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  Speaker 7: a year.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that's you.
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  Speaker 7: Know, jumping out of my Patriots work slash fandom for
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  Speaker 7: a second, Like all right, that's nice.
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  Speaker 3: But and and I'll say one other nice thing. It's
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  Speaker 3: nice that the Jets aren't picking right before them just
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  Speaker 3: for superficial purposes. Like I like that that was the.
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  Speaker 2: Jets were picking thirteen. Now they've moved to fifteen, and
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  Speaker 2: now Green Bay is picking at thirteen.
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  Speaker 7: Might change nothing, but you know still but yeah, it's uh,
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  Speaker 7: not what the Patriots need. I mean, it's just another
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  Speaker 7: example that their backs are up against the wall this year.
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  Speaker 7: I think it just puts more of a spotlight on
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  Speaker 7: this draft and you know, finding some I think, as
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  Speaker 7: Evan said, we recorded our final draft podcast this morning,
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  Speaker 7: and I like Devan's point of just saying like I
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  Speaker 7: don't know how you put it.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, but like you need like a splash, like.
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  Speaker 7: You need something like Jets fans today feeling pretty good
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  Speaker 7: like they got Aaron Rodgers, like Patriots fans could use
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  Speaker 7: something like that. I know that that football doesn't want
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  Speaker 7: to hear that, and they're all about, we're gonna be
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  Speaker 7: methodical and we're gonna pick our guys and we're gonna
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  Speaker 7: do what we do. But I do think that that's
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  Speaker 7: an underrated aspect that you need an injection.
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  Speaker 2: I can guarantee you, you know, his first year, he's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be ready to go. You know, he's gonna be, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to prove to the New York fans. I'm all in
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  Speaker 2: and all that, and he will have a good year
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  Speaker 2: this year. You know, barring injury, he'll play well.
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  Speaker 4: You're pretty confident of that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I say he has a good first four to
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  Speaker 5: six weeks, okay, But if I like that, if the
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  Speaker 5: if it going gets tough at that point, then I'm
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  Speaker 5: not sure if he's gonna be if we might see
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  Speaker 5: that Aaron Rodgers from last year who's not not really
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  Speaker 5: all in. But I think in general it's if the
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  Speaker 5: two games of the Patriots played against the package the Jets
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  Speaker 5: last year go exactly the same, but now the quarterback
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  Speaker 5: for the Jets Aaron Rodgers. I think they lose both games.
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  Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. My worst nightmare is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they've got you know, Aaron Rodgers, and then they with
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  Speaker 2: the fifteenth pick, they take Zave Flowers, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: so now we're double moaning why didn't we Why don't
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  Speaker 2: we get Flowers?
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  Speaker 4: I understand the point. It's not necessarily about the specific right.
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  Speaker 4: The Jets don't need Zave Flowers. That's the scary part. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, and to your point, Mike, you said,
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  Speaker 4: like Jets fans are probably waking up today. Evan got
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  Speaker 4: some hope. Yeah, you're probably pretty excited. Well then look
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  Speaker 4: back to last year's draft too. And you know, during
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  Speaker 4: our podcast, Evan was talking about like, well the Patriots,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, Mike said, they need the splash and
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  Speaker 4: they have enough. I think the way you put it,
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  Speaker 4: they have they have plenty of good players. They need
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  Speaker 4: some great ones. They need home run hitters. And I
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  Speaker 4: know it's just one year, rookie year. Who knows, Maybe
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  Speaker 4: these guys were just good initially and we'll see what
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  Speaker 4: they are. But Garrett Wilson in Sauce Gardner are two
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  Speaker 4: guys that you know can we just get one? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: so now you couple that draft, and that's not the
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  Speaker 4: only guys they got in the draft either. They got
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  Speaker 4: brief they you know, they got the kid from Florida
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  Speaker 4: State who I can never remember, thank you. And they
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  Speaker 4: were pretty good too. I mean, but Gardner and Wilson
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  Speaker 4: were outstanding, and bring in a quarterback if they can,
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  Speaker 4: you know, sort of put it together. And you're right,
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  Speaker 4: and Rogers is engaged. I don't know if Rogers has
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  Speaker 4: got that Tom Brady thing where he's gonna go on
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  Speaker 4: the FU Tour.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see.
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  Speaker 4: I think he kind of did that a little bit
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  Speaker 4: in Green Bay two years ago, where he's sort of
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  Speaker 4: annoyed at everybody and had another MVP season. But this
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  Speaker 4: isn't about can the Jets win the Super Bowl because
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots don't necessarily care, But are the Jets that
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  Speaker 4: much better than the Patriot? It's now that's what they
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  Speaker 4: care about.
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  Speaker 7: And that's what we talked about last year after those
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  Speaker 7: games were that, you know, the Jets, if they ever
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  Speaker 7: got a quarterback, they have the pieces.
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  Speaker 3: All the things that we're talking about.
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  Speaker 7: I know, tackle outstanding, but that wide receiver, that cornerback,
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  Speaker 7: all those pieces they Quentin Williams. I mean, they have
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  Speaker 7: them in place right now. I just I hope that
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  Speaker 7: it goes the way I haven't said though. I feel
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  Speaker 7: like they'll be like an initial surge and hey, oh
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  Speaker 7: this is great, and oh he's really got a chemistry Wilson,
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  Speaker 7: and then you know, things start to get tough, and
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  Speaker 7: you know, we'll see I mean, this is just the
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  Speaker 7: Patriots hat speaking hopefully. I mean, because you felt similar
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  Speaker 7: when Brett Favre went in, you know, in twenty two
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  Speaker 7: thousand and eight.
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  Speaker 3: It was a similar kind of thing. I know, different situation,
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  Speaker 3: but hey, they got a guy.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I listen, I'm worried. I'm worried.
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  Speaker 4: I am. I mean, I think you can pretend to
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  Speaker 4: yourself that, well, it's not a big deal. Did the
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  Speaker 4: Jets they'll screw it up. Okay, if you want to
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  Speaker 4: rely on that, that's fine, but I do I am
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  Speaker 4: concerned about it. And one of the other things that
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  Speaker 4: we talked about during the podcast bred is how Belichick
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  Speaker 4: might react to it. You know, he's so good. Well,
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  Speaker 4: well that was that was really good. That was dead
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  Speaker 4: on perfect. But another point that everyone was talking about
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  Speaker 4: was do you think that Belichick response that by saying, well,
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  Speaker 4: we got to find a way to to keep up
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  Speaker 4: on the scoreboard, or do you think he looks at
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  Speaker 4: it and says, we're gonna find a way to shut
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  Speaker 4: him down, right, you know, and add to the defense. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: what do you think that Bill would would go?
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  Speaker 2: I think he'd lean defense.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, me too to.
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  Speaker 2: Him that's an easier answer.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I just don't think that he can bring himself
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  Speaker 4: to say, well, if you want to succeed, you got
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  Speaker 4: to try to win thirty one twenty. He's like, you
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  Speaker 4: got to hold him to twenty two and find a
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  Speaker 4: way to win.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I I understand that point.
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  Speaker 7: I also just I look at six when that felt
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  Speaker 7: like all right, he realized he had to go get
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  Speaker 7: some offensive pieces, like they just didn't have him anymore.
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  Speaker 3: So last year was just as bad, worse than six was.
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  Speaker 7: So that's my only hope that he kind of recognizes
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  Speaker 7: that and says, look, certainly, we need good defense to
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  Speaker 7: keep up with these guys, but at the end of
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  Speaker 7: the day, our offense was just below the bar of acceptability,
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  Speaker 7: and we have to make some bold moves that we
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  Speaker 7: haven't really made.
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  Speaker 2: In free agency, we talk about you know, and I
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  Speaker 2: agree Evan, if Rogers had been in those two games
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  Speaker 2: last year, they would have won. What if Bill O'Brien
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  Speaker 2: was the offensive coordinator last year, how much better would
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  Speaker 2: that offense have been?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's a fair point. I just think
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  Speaker 5: for the Patriots. To me, I'm not necessarily sitting here,
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  Speaker 5: you know, shaking to my boots that Aaron Rodgers is
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  Speaker 5: now at the Jets. But I just think it adds
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  Speaker 5: a team in the AFC that now has a better
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  Speaker 5: quarterback than you. And I just look at the AFC
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  Speaker 5: and we're talking about at least seven teams that I
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  Speaker 5: can come up with that I think are locks to
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  Speaker 5: be better quarterback than you. And then if Russell Wilson
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  Speaker 5: has a bounced back year or Deshaun Watson has a
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  Speaker 5: bounced back year, now we're talking about nine, potentially ten
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  Speaker 5: teams that have better quarterbacks and better offenses. And I
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  Speaker 5: think if you're the Patriots and going into this draft
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  Speaker 5: at this point, I don't really think there's any one
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  Speaker 5: player in this draft at fourteen that's gonna change this
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  Speaker 5: season for them. I don't think that you can look
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  Speaker 5: at it that way. I think you have to look
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  Speaker 5: at it and say, who is the best player that
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  Speaker 5: we can possibly get with this pick. Now, I would
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  Speaker 5: then put the caveat on it at a premium position.
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  Speaker 5: If they take a running back like Bijon Robinson, I'm
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  Speaker 5: gonna have a problem with it. But if they take
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  Speaker 5: an edge rusher, if they take a corner, if they
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  Speaker 5: take a tackle, if they take a receiver, I just
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  Speaker 5: think they need to get the best player in the
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  Speaker 5: building and just continue to stack the roster together because
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  Speaker 5: at this point you are looking up at a lot
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  Speaker 5: of teams and to sit there and say we are
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  Speaker 5: an ex player away or why player away from being
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  Speaker 5: a contender, I don't see that path being as easy,
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  Speaker 5: especially when you look at just their opponents for next year.
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  Speaker 5: The quarterbacks that they're gonna have to play next year
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  Speaker 5: are ridiculous. I mean, they're gonna have to play pretty
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  Speaker 5: much the gauntlet of quarterbacks in the AFC, and I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, it just doesn't really look like a team
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  Speaker 5: that is one big splash, like a Jerry Judy trade,
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  Speaker 5: even away from all of a sudden. Now, okay, now
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  Speaker 5: we feel like they're a playoff team and we were.
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  Speaker 5: They're in it, you.
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  Speaker 7: Know, there's just no secret to the formula. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: the Jets have had a few good drafts. Now they've
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  Speaker 7: put the position like you're talking about players and the
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  Speaker 7: key positions in place that are making impacts.
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  Speaker 3: And we all saw it.
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  Speaker 2: We all see they screwed up with the quarterback pick,
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  Speaker 2: and they said, effet, let's let's go for it.
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  Speaker 7: But it's like, how many of these contender teams, like
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  Speaker 7: you know, have gotten a chunk, not all, but the
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  Speaker 7: wide receiver, the quarterback, the cornerback, the a tackle and
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  Speaker 7: a pass rusher. You know they've gotten those positions, then
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  Speaker 7: they oh, we need just one, let's go get Stefan Diggs,
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  Speaker 7: or we just need the court, let's go get Aaron Rodgers.
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  Speaker 7: You know, you can get to that point where all right,
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  Speaker 7: that's the way to play free agency, to play trades,
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  Speaker 7: But it all starts with stacking drafts.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Stacking drafts allow you to be selective in free agency,
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  Speaker 2: to have the the bullet instead of the shotgun.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I think, to Evan's point, you're not gonna
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  Speaker 7: come out of Day two of this draft and be like,
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  Speaker 7: this is great, we got our starting offensive left tackle.
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  Speaker 7: We got a stud corner and we've got a receiver
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  Speaker 7: that's going to control the middle of the field. Like,
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  Speaker 7: it's just unrealistic to think that that's going to happen,
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  Speaker 7: even that they're going to draft those specific needs that.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's so focused on. It could very well.
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  Speaker 7: Be they strike with an edge, they grab a tight
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  Speaker 7: end higher than and people you know who prefer a
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  Speaker 7: wide receiver. But you know, can an argument be made
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  Speaker 7: that one of these tight ends is going to make
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  Speaker 7: more of an impact on offense sooner and to a
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  Speaker 7: greater degree than some of these receivers. I think that's
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  Speaker 7: that's a debate you could probably have to as.
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  Speaker 5: Much as you want a receiver and want to want
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  Speaker 5: that offensive playmaker, I just think that at this point,
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  Speaker 5: if you're sitting there, let's just say they stay at fourteen,
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  Speaker 5: just to make it easy. If you're sitting there and
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  Speaker 5: you're contemplating a guy like Christian Gonzalez versus a guy
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  Speaker 5: like you gotta take Christian Gonzalez now, Like, I just
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  Speaker 5: think that taking to say Flowers is trying to put
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  Speaker 5: a band aid on a much bigger problem. And I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if this is how the best way out
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  Speaker 5: of that this situation at this point, I think right
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  Speaker 5: now you got to really just try to stack as
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  Speaker 5: much talent as you can on the top of the
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  Speaker 5: roster and play the long game because I don't think
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  Speaker 5: you're competing in twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 7: And that's what's hard with like the potential tackle pick,
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  Speaker 7: which we talked about earlier on the on the Draft
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  Speaker 7: podcast that we did, which we all acknowledge, like, no,
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  Speaker 7: it's probably not what they need, but it is what
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  Speaker 7: they need. It's not what we kind of want. But
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  Speaker 7: to your point, there's nobody who's really going to make
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  Speaker 7: that immediate impact, so why not take a guy? And
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  Speaker 7: I mean, and this is a conversation we've been having
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  Speaker 7: with Broderick Jones, who you know hasn't played a lot,
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  Speaker 7: Paris Johnson hasn't played a lot, But like you look
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  Speaker 7: at them and you say, that's a ten year tackle.
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  Speaker 7: There's no real caveats other than he needs experience and
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  Speaker 7: to get into an NFL system. So you know, that's
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  Speaker 7: think the conversations will be having if they take one
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  Speaker 7: of those tackles and say, look, I know it's not sexy,
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  Speaker 7: but Patriots are ways off and they got to start
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  Speaker 7: stacking really good players and this is a good player.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So the whole thing about the Jets too, to me
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  Speaker 4: is I agree that it's not like, oh, there's your
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  Speaker 4: Super Bowl team, like a shaking in our boots. But
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  Speaker 4: you you brought up the Bill O'Brien thing, Fred, And again,
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  Speaker 4: I think there's an enormous amount of pressure on Bill
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  Speaker 4: O'Brien because I think a lot of people think, like
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  Speaker 4: you do, that the coordinator is worth wins. I'll believe
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  Speaker 4: that when I see it.
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  Speaker 2: But it was definitely worth loss according to a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I didn't know that either. Just in fairness,
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  Speaker 4: I just don't think they played very well. I think
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  Speaker 4: play offense was not not optimals.
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  Speaker 2: So they should have kept that.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, I don't think that. I think
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  Speaker 4: it can be worth losses but worth wins. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 4: it's kind of like the old adage, right, It's like
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  Speaker 4: the old adage. You can you can lose a game
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  Speaker 4: in the first quarter, but you can't win it, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously you go out and win quit twenty
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  Speaker 4: one of the Boy in the first quarter. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 4: can win it in the first quarter. But people don't
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  Speaker 4: really look at it that way. But with the Jets,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's been two games that you can rely on
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  Speaker 4: that you're gonna win for how long? How many in
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  Speaker 4: a row? Twelve years, sixteen? Over time? Over how many
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  Speaker 4: wins in a row over the Jets? Of that, I
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  Speaker 4: think it's like sixteen. Okay, So that's been something that
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  Speaker 4: you've absolutely counted on. You can't count on a suitep
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  Speaker 4: of the Jets. I think right now, if you're being
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  Speaker 4: a really realistic Patriots fan, you'd take a split.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Right, that's a big difference. That's a big difference. You've
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  Speaker 4: had a hard time with Buffalo, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's put it nicely.
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  Speaker 4: And Miami you split with kind of an asterisk because
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  Speaker 4: you beat the third string quarterback and that's really the
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: only time you've been and you finished behind them. So
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: just you know, Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Rogers, Jackson, Herbert, Lawrence Watson, Wilson, Tua,
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: and Garoppolo.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: You have to hit them all.
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: Four of those quarterbacks won't make the playoffs, right, Four
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: of those guys won't make at least at least four
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: of those guys won't make the playoffs. So that's what
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: you're dealing with and if everybody is right and you
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: need to have a you know, strong play at the
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: quarterback position, there's a lot of pressure on Mac Jones
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: and Bill O'Brien to get this right so they can
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: keep up with some of these teams.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: Yep, well maybe this would be a good spot to dovetail.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: I don't want to ruin your.
• 15:13
  Speaker 7: Intro, but just to highlight Gardy's tweet which you mentioned
• 15:16
  Speaker 7: on the way down, which just popped up Will Levis.
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: Thank you, Evan, GARDI just tweeting out. We talked about
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: Levis coming by last week. As I mentioned on Felger
• 15:25
  Speaker 7: and Holly last night, there was real interest in QB.
• 15:27
  Speaker 7: Will Levis from the Patriots, not universally, but they are
• 15:29
  Speaker 7: important folks in that building that believe in the talent.
• 15:32
  Speaker 7: What I've heard about his visit from other stops, he
• 15:34
  Speaker 7: hasn't blown anyone away. That dovetails, Hey, I just used
• 15:36
  Speaker 7: to dovetails was something that I was told by a
• 15:38
  Speaker 7: couple of scouts that were around the Kentucky program this year.
• 15:41
  Speaker 7: It's not that he's an unlikable kid, but players didn't
• 15:43
  Speaker 7: gravitate to him either. Can that leadership quality factor be learned.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: Sack Wilson, No, the guy on the draft, the quarterback
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: and the draft that they didn't go to his birthday party,
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: Sack Wilson. Why can't I think of his name?
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Is it? I don't know, I don't want Wilson.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: Zach Wilson is a real guy.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: Oh in Oh in the movie, in the movie, Oh
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: in the draft, d draft.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: I thought you're talking about the rest. A lot of
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: that actually happened with Zach wil I'm pretty sure wasn't.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: Jake Cushman was the cush.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Cush So that kind of dovetails to my son. Did
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: this cush that kind of dovetails to the quarterback talk
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: when it comes to the draft. I want to just
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: discuss the c. J. Stroud situation a little bit. He
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: had this S two comprehension test that a lot of
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: all the quarterbacks took, and it got leaked out that
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: he scored a BIS move as bysmally eighteen. Yeah, eighteen
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: out of one hundred and supposedly right and now I
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: I on the Pat McAfee show. They had somebody from this.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: Company, the owner of the company.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: The owner, and he said he couldn't say specifically players
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: because of legal reasons and all this stuff, but he
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: said it may have been out of context that reporting
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: of the eighteen, that it may not necessarily reflect his
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: true score or what happened and all that stuff. But
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: it's out there now, Like what are we hearing? Are
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: we thinking that c J. Stroud may not go high
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: up now?
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Or I just feel like it's clockwork.
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: Every every year the week before the draft, someone's a
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: dumb ass that's.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: Actually worked, like Laramie Tunsel with that thing that came
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: out the Dratton, Like all of a sudden, he's whatever thirteen.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Wearing a gas mask, taken bond.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, but I don't necessarily I mean, Bryce Young has
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: been the consensus and again who knows if it's accurate,
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: but the consensus number one pick now for a while. Yeah,
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: like before any of this came out.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Unless unless you read our lads, because they've got CJ.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Stroud ranked high.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Carolina. But I'm okay with with our lads, Like if
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: that's if they if they I.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Heard it, I heard it, I heard it. Keep going.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go into a rabbit hole talking,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: keep talking.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: But I'm okay if if they think that c J.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Stroud is better, I don't like, but I assume that
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: that's their rankings.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's their ranking.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: But I like, I don't think anybody is an idiot.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: For like, if you like Stroud better than Young, to
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: each his own, I I like Stroud a lot.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's good.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: What if he is not? What if he does have?
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: You know, it doesn't seem to affect his ability to
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: play quarterback from what I've seen.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: What is this test?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Is this like one of like it's the new.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Wonder lick, so it's like logic stuff, and.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a little bit more from what I understand,
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: it's kind of like playing a video game, and it
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: really is supposed to test their ability to react to
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: things that, you know, changing things quickly and like processing
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: essentially for quarterbacks. But I think that the bigger thing
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: with with Stroud that seems to be more two things.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: I think around the league there's a lot of fear
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: about Ohio State quarterbacks. I think that's legit. Guys like
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: Justin Fields, Dwayne Haskins, like, it just hasn't really been
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: a great run of Buckeye quarterbacks in the NFL.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: Succeeding.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: And I think the other thing is is that there
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: are some questions and I say this, I love saying
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: stuff like this, but there's some questions about his work
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: ethic and his want to and his drive and all
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: those types of things. I know that that thing came
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: out about the Manning Camp, that he bailed on the
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Manning Camp at the last second and ghosted the people
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: that run the camp and didn't show up, and things
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: like that that I think are out there a little
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: bit now that scream some team is trying to get CJ.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: Stroud to fall to them. But maybe there's some truth
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: to it. But justin Fields a couple of years ago,
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: is the media's consensus QB two by a wide margin,
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: and he ended up falling to what ten or eleven
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: in that draft. So I don't think it's totally outlandish.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Levis, we did report last weeks as well
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: as others that he was here. But now Giardi is
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: saying there's true interest. It wasn't just a smoke screen.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: It wasn't.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Brier said that Sunday night too. Yeah, a similar kind
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: of thing that.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Had Yeah, I mean doing their homework.
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: I just there's some intrigue there, and I again, like
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna stay at the top.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I think Mac deserves another chance. I don't think he.
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: Got the full fair share last year of fair Shake.
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: But there's just something about that kid love us that's intriguing,
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: you know.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: And if you if you really, if you're really sitting
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: here and.
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: You're saying, I don't think Max's ever gonna take down
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: Josh Allen. He might not take down to a you know,
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: at what point do you say, maybe you just go again?
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: You go back? You got him at fifteen, take one
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: or fourteen again. I don't think they should, but I
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: wouldn't completely rule it out.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: What what do they I mean, clearly that's an indictment
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: on Mac. If they did that, right, you don't take well,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: that's what I put a quarterback at fifteen.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Why not taking a first round quarterback? If they're convinced
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: that they have a guy, well, that's what I mean,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: just to compete with us.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, if they take Levis, then they don't think
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: that they then they're moving I mean that's what I
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: most of these guys, they're moving back the next day.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: But you know, if they took him at fourteen and
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Mike said, yeah, I remember it looked for mac to
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: get I.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Remember the NA they took Ryan Mallett and it was
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: like we couldn't pass on him. He was, you know,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: overvalued for where he was available third round and we
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: took him. We took him, you know, like you can't
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: say that about you know, uh Levis. Oh, you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: we had to take him. We didn't think he would drop.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: There's no way so I can make that argument.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what to make of it, you know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: the fact that they have him, they have them in
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: and I don't have all the details in this because
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: I was away last week, but I just would be
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: curious to get the thoughts of you guys, because I
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: saw a lot of people sort of blowing it off
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: like there's nothing. You know, they're just doing the due diligence,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: and you know, whether it's and I know there was
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: some ambiguity of whether or not it actually counted this
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: to one of the thirty picks because he's quasi local.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: He was one in Newton and went to high school
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: in Connecticut. I don't know, does that not count on
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: one of.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: The twenty five miles? Okay, so if he's in Connecticut,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: it counts. If he's in Newton, it doesn't.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Right, So I don't know if that if that counts
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: as whatever. But I just don't think that teams go
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: through a visit at their facility for someone that they're
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: just looking to see what make what makes that Will
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Levis tick, which I read a lot of agree like
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: someone someone may have someone that they are going to play,
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: might be drafting him and they will yep, So that's
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: a waste of time, that's what you did it for.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: I don't buy that. But Bill is way too smart
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: for that. I don't. I think that there is at
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: the very least some intrigue for maybe this style of
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: quarterback and he wants to pick a brain at the
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: very like, it's not about well, I don't know, we're
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: going to play Indianapolis and Indianapolis might take him, so
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: we need to No way they did that, No, like
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: you think that's where it Fred.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's worth it, but I wouldn't rule
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: it out that they would do that.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Well, I think that's I mean, I think way more
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: of Bill, and I'm not being sarcastic in any way.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: I think way more of Bill with those thirty visits
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: that he's limited to to not waste one on someone else.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: That they always use all thirty. I don't even know
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: that if that's true, I'm pretty sure because it doesn't
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: include pro days, it doesn't include you going to their visits.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: I understand there's a reason they limit you to thirty.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I know, but I'm not even sure that they used
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: all thirty this year. So maybe they had like five
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: in the you know, in their hand. I'm like, you
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: know what, let's just that I'm smart to you what
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: that they didn't use every one of them.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but in other words, you didn't do all the
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: work that you could do.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't say that they didn't go to those places.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: They didn't see these people they want to see at
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: their pro days.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: They didn't have thirty people they felt strongly enough to
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: bring to the facility.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: If you feel struggle, why you can just as easily
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: go to their place and see him at his pro day.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Or than one on one.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: They do both, Fred, they can do both.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: And there's a certain receiver that's at Fenway Park a
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: few weeks ago, and they decided not to bring in Fervius.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: I look at them as being as diligent as anybody.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe I'm still naive with this. I go
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: back to I think he's a very very good draft. Remember,
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: you know, I still get made fun of for that.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: It's weird for me to be on that side of
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: the ledger. I know people are probably saying, what is
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: he talking about? Why is he arguing for the sake
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: of arguing. I'm not. I just think that they're as
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: prepared as any organization. Yeah, they do more work than
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: most most he was.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: The guy that they canceled his trip here. They ended
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: up takings they sold her. You know, I think it
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: works both ways. Is the There's many ways to see
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: a guy other than bringing him here. You can go
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: to his proda.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: I understand that, Fred, but I don't think that you
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: bring a guy here that you have zero interest in.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, when you say interest in taking, you know,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: that could be that, or like, you know, maybe they're
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: just doing their due diligence in just seeing, you know,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: who this guy is in the event that no one
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: wants him and he's available in the second round. You know,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe they're hearing that no one's going
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: to take will Levis and if he's in the second round,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: we're going to take him, and so we want to be.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Just there, right, I agree, Oh yeah, we're all on
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: the same page. Yeah.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: I don't have any inside information on it, but I
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: just felt like from a football perspective, it's a lot
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: better of a fit than people realize. Like just from
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: a schematic x's and o's perspective of how what he's
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: good at. I think he gets labeled as like a
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: Josh Allen out of structure, this guy that's just going
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: to roll out and throw bombs down the field. He
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: was much better at Kentucky in the film that I
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: watched of him in structure, operating out of the quick
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: game or from under center, play action and just doing
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: stuff that the Patriots like to do.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's not the most accurate passer
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: right now. He's got some mechanic problems from what I read,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: you know, that whole thing. He's just not ready yet.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: But you know, for a team that's willing to put
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: in the time, you know he could be. He could
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: have a high ceiling. But from what every I'm being
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: told by the experts, he ain't gonna be your year
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: one answer. You know it's gonna take time.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, we'll see, though.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: I just I think with him again, I just think
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: that he gets miscast because of the athletic ability and
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: the arm talent that he's like another Josh Allen. But
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: I don't think that he plays like Josh Allen. I
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: think he plays much more like an in rhythm quarterback
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: and somebody that really thrives from the pocket. When he
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: gets outside the pocket is when he makes mistakes.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: I would agree with that. And I think I wrote
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: here decision making with a question mark when I was
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: just looking at the notes that I took. I agree
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: with that assessment totally. Is it's not necessarily that he
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: can't make plays. Like I think a lot of people say, like, well,
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: is he smart enough? Does he do the proper? I mean,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: I think there's signs of inconsistency. I think the decision
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: making sometimes leads to his interceptions.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Beyond what the message it sends to Mac or what
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: they think of Mac. If if they drafted this guy
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: in the first round, what are they saying about this season?
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: I mean I would just look at and kind of
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: into what I said that we realized that we're a
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: ways off and we can afford to maybe take a
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: year where instead of just trying to get those eight
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: nine wins and sneak into the playoffs, we might only
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: win five or four or five games this year, but
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: we're gonna throw a quarterback in there that we're hoping
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: is going to be able to then elevate to the
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: next level, and we don't believe that Max is gonna
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: get us there.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I think that that would be what I read.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: It certainly would put the bed the whole notion of well,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: all Bill wants to do is break Shooles record. All
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: he wants to do, you know, because this is a
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: long term pick, right, I mean, it's a pick for
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the future.
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think, in to Evans's point earlier, it's
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: you know, it's not what we're expecting, but it's trying
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: to get one of those elite players.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: You know. I don't think if I draft Levis I
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: want him playing by the end of September.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: He might be, but like, how good is he going
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: to be? You know, he's going to have Like.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: I'm with Mike, let him, let him, let him make
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: the mistakes. I mean.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: To I keep going back to Peyton Manning, he had
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: more interceptions than touchdowns his first year, but they knew
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: he was great. Yeah, you just had to give him
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: time and if he needed it, certainly, this guy's gonna
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: need it.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: He was also much better at Kentucky in twenty twenty
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: one than he was in twenty two, and they had
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: some better pieces around him.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: So I don't know. I did not Like.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: We talked about Will Levis really early on, I think,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: and I was like, I don't think so, because I
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: just sort of looked at the interceptions and things like that.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: But when you actually really dig into it, I think
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: he's a little bit better than people realize. I really
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: feel like he's getting a lot of negativity from the
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: media side of it, especially because of the turnovers and
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: some of the decision making.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Is like, I know they're completely different quarterbacks, but I
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: pick him over Anthony Richardson.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: I would, oh, I would absolutely.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't do that, but because if you're gonna take
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: the ball of clay, I'm just gonna take the best
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: ball of clay at the table, right. But I think
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: with Levis just goes back to the whole thing with
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Mac what's his ceiling. You know, from a physical perspective,
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: how good could he be throwing the ball down the field,
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: creating on his own and really as the the physical
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: things of being a quarterback, not the mental side of it,
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: because Mac blows will have us out of the water
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: when it comes to the mental side of.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: That's what I was going to ask you.
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: I was kind of imagining event diagram of like this
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: is Will Levis, this is Mac Jones.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: What do they have in common? And what does Will
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Levis maybe have that Max never not going.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: To have, you know, like it's that yeah, just rocket
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: arm size, power and running. I mean he's a power run.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I mean some people said he's Tim Tebow. He's not
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Tim t He's Tim Tebow with the ability to throw right.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Tim Tebow couldn't throw. He literally could not throw.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: I mean he's huge, yeah, I mean you could argue
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: that almost too big, like Brady Quinn. Remember Brady Quinn
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: got all bulked up and Megan Rember, Yes, Meghan did.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Remember we had to take we had to take stalk
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: our selfies at the Combine one year for Megan. But
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: you know, he's uh, I think he's a very intriguing
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: skill set I agree with you, though, Fred So I
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: disagree with Evan on the Anthony Richardson. To me, there's
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: way too much unknown. I understand the boom aspect of
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson, but I think he hasn't really played any game.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, at least you look at at Levis. He
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: played a little at Penn State, he played a ton
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: the last two years at Kentucky, And there's something like
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: I think that you can project to me with Richardson,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: it's all projection, no doubt, no doubt. If he works.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: If Levis works and Richardson works, Richardson will be the
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: better player he's got. He's got a better skill set.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: But I think there's a much higher degree of chance
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: of Levis working than Richardson working.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: All Right, it's all interesting, and I you know, listen,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: we're not the ones that brought Will Levison, So people say,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: why are you talking about Will Levis? You go to
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: t talk about the dragon. You know they brought them in, you.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Know, so you know we're probably gonna be talking about
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: this Thursday night.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: Too, right, And the head coach won't say the quarterback's
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: name that you currently have on the roster.
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: So.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: It's like now we're not, you know, picking them out
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: of the blue and discussing them. Speaking of Thursday night,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: there's no regular show on Thursday, Pagrites Unfiltered, but we
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: will have our Draft special starting at seven thirty live everywhere,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: live video from seven thirty eight thirty. Then we go
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: to audio per NFL rules, but we'll be live from
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: the draft party upstairs here at Let's Stadium, and it'll
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: be fun. I can't wait. I can't wait. Draft itself
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: starts at eight o'clock, so we'll be on air for that. Patriots,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: if they stay at fourteen, will probably pick around nine
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: to forty five or so. But we'll be there. Let's
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: be there with the reaction.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: All kinds of reactions. I'm excited.
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: So people are still chirping at me about my first
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: draft show, about my inadequacy in my contributions.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: This back in the COVID.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, remember the show, Remember the COVID through everybody,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: I might.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Have made funn of you during that show. It's like
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: still there.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: It wasn't that the day that Eric got really mad
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: about something random?
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Which, what are you talking about? Every draft?
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Kyle Douga. They tried down Kyle doug Oh yeah, he
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: way off of that show.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Remember, because he didn't know who Kyle Duggart.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: That's no, no, no. When they traded down, we didn't
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: trade We didn't get Kyle dug until the next day.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, nothing, it was it was a wash.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: The Kyle Duggar pick was misunderstood.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he wasn't mad at but Kyle Duggar was made.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: Kyle dugger always gets lumped into the cold stranges of
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: the world and it's like no, no, no, no, this is
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: that was a different animal.
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: They could have traded down and taken Lawrence Taylor and
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: Eric would have been pissed at the time.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Yes, some people just hate the trade down, that's exactly.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: I just want to pick. It was one too many
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: trade downs, even though if you actually look at their
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: history and I know it's deceiving because they have virtually
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: the same amount of trade up trade down now, it
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: is definitely deceiving because the first round, the overwhelming evidence
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: is they generally trade down and the trade ups come
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: in like the fifth round, into the fourth round and
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: stuff like that, so it's not exactly the same thing.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: But they have traded up in the first round before.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: You know, with High Tower and Chandler Jones the gold
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: everybody has to bring him up. But I would like
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: to see at least the mindset, Freddy, where they're prepared
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: to do it if a guy that they really really
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: cover it starts to slip. You know, we talk about
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: all these quarterbacks and when I was I was joking
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: with these guys when we did the podcast. You know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: evidently when I was going, Hendon Hooker is now a
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: first round pick two. Oh really, so like if you
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: somehow get fired, he's not into hookers. If you get
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: five guys before pick fourteen and very very minor and
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: not a sure thing. But that swap with the Jets
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: and the Packers, I think the Jets were really in
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: play for a tackle and now they're behind the Patriots.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: So the Patriots will have a pick over the Jets
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: at a position that I think they both need. If
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: that sort of starts to happen, and maybe you get
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: a guy and the guy that we all love is
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: Christian Gonzales. But if that happens, I think they need
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: to be prepared to move up. And I just hope
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: it's not one of these things. Well, there's only seven
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: first round values in this draft. So we're going to
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: trade down, get one trade up, and try to get
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: one of the seven.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: That's what you need, especially because their board is typically
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: different than everybody else's, so the odds of there if
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: they say there we only have eight first round grades
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: in this draft, because a lot of teams are saying
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: they have under fifteen. And if the Patriots board is
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: tiny compared to everybody else every year, so they got
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: to have If the Bills have fourteen first round grades,
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: the half the Patriots got six, right, but they're six
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: might be different than everybody else's, so maybe one of
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: their they could drop right, one of their guys could
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: definitely fall.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: But then if it's attack, like if Broderick Jones is
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: one of their first round picks, and you know you
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: get to like ten, eleven, twelve, you know, find a
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: way to make sure you get them.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right. Eight five to five past five hundred
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: is the ACE Ticket Hotline web radio at Patriots dot
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: COM's the email address. Phone calls, emails are flying in,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: so let's get to our listeners. We'll start with Patty
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: and Agawam. What's up Patty?
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: What's up?
• 35:29
  Speaker 10: Everyone?
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: It's exciting.
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: I'm excited for this week.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: I did a little research myself.
• 35:35
  Speaker 10: Today and the two most prevalent groups that Belichick has
• 35:40
  Speaker 10: drafted since since he's been the head coach and GM
• 35:45
  Speaker 10: there's been defensive line. He's taken six guys and he's
• 35:49
  Speaker 10: taken four offensive linemen, which it feel like the follow trends,
• 35:53
  Speaker 10: which I think you know more often than not, He's
• 35:57
  Speaker 10: going to pick one of those two guys in the
• 35:58
  Speaker 10: trenches and I'm gonna throw a wild Evan. I don't
• 36:01
  Speaker 10: know if you remember when I called in I first
• 36:03
  Speaker 10: started throwing draft draft picks at you guys and catch
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: twenty two. But I wouldn't be surprised if they trade
• 36:10
  Speaker 10: down and take Mazzie Smith in the first round. I
• 36:15
  Speaker 10: know that sounds a little crazy, but it's a little
• 36:17
  Speaker 10: bit outside the box. I mean, he's from a program
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: he loves draft and from and to me, he just
• 36:24
  Speaker 10: I mean he's not he's not the most dominant interior
• 36:26
  Speaker 10: defensive lineman in the draft, but to me, he just
• 36:29
  Speaker 10: he just screamed the Patriots pick. And I'll say this,
• 36:34
  Speaker 10: I know, uh, you know, I'm I'm on the big
• 36:37
  Speaker 10: I'm on the day Flowers train. I don't think we're
• 36:40
  Speaker 10: gonna draft them, so I'll be a little bit disappointed.
• 36:44
  Speaker 10: But if a team like Casey or Buffalo takes day Flowers,
• 36:48
  Speaker 10: I mean, if Casey takes Dave Flowers, they're winning the
• 36:50
  Speaker 10: Super Bowl again this year. I hate to tell everyone,
• 36:52
  Speaker 10: but that's how I see it. Can't wait to call
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: in on Thursday night and talk to you guys.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Then, all right, thanks Patty.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they take Massie Smith and I will not be happy.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: But you could see Bill doing that.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: And run stuffing those tackles.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: But I think that's.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: One of the few positions that I think fans would
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: be right to be critical.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to shutters in Manchester. What's up shutters?
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Hey you Oh, thanks for buying lunch by the way,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Thank you hutters, and happy birthday.
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: That's my pleasure. Well, well, thank you all. Thanks to
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: you all and Quare for the birthday shout out last
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: week and on the back of his corners. Then I
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: can't wait to hear how they had he gets on
• 37:39
  Speaker 9: Thursday night for the draft show. Okay, the question I
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: got today I was listening earlier on to Skaranakia speaking
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: on the Boom podcast about the Patriot Way, and he
• 37:51
  Speaker 9: was saying, how sort of five percent of the roster
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: want to run through a wall for you, five percent
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: question why you need to run through the wall at all,
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: and ninety are in the middle waiting to be influenced.
• 38:04
  Speaker 9: Seems from last year that there was more questioning about
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: why they're running through the wall than maybe the Patriots Way.
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: Leadership and certainly now, I mean, Hotel isn't so much
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: involved last year, but you lost Hoteler, you lost Becauthy,
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: you can't Slater and Andrews is there as well. But
• 38:21
  Speaker 9: who on the roster is strong leadership and step up
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: the read I'm asking for this is one boot who's
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: dy existing that can do that? But is strong leadership
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: a sneaky key aspect to be looking at in this
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: draft class. Now, my personal draft crush who I don't
• 38:38
  Speaker 9: think the Patriots are signed is Jack Campbell. But it's
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: that sort of hard hitting old Bruce d They don't
• 38:43
  Speaker 9: really need him, They're not going to get him, I
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: know that, but he's that leader style. Could leadership being
• 38:50
  Speaker 9: to have an impact on who they're looking to draft
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: this year?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Well, you know they've you know, they've always said they
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: like drafting captains just for that reason. But the lead
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: there's not be any rookie that's going to come in
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: and be a leader this year. I mean, they could
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: draft somebody who they hope to be a leader going
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: down the road. But if you're looking for leadership this year,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: it's going to come from people that are already here.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: And I throw Judah On in there in addition to
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: the names you already said. I think you know he
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: should be a leader on this team, you know, so
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I would throw him in there. Uh, Dietrich Wise in
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: his own way, you know, is a leader. Bentley here's
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: a captain, right, Yeah, Bentley you would imagine should be
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: as well. But you know you're talking. You know, mccordy
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: was one of the best all time, and we had
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: such such great ones in the past.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: So I think the key in what Shutters is talking about.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: It's obviously an old adage for coaches. You know, you
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: got you know, the ten percent on either side that
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: you know what they're going to do. It's what the
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: rest of them do. And I can't help but think
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: last year, you know the leader of the why are
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: we doing that? Was Mac Jones. Was your quarterback, and
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: that causes and I'm not saying this is a negative
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: to Mac Jones, by the way, before it gets misconstrued.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: I understand why he had questions about what they were doing.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: We all did. We all had the same question, right, right, So,
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: but when the quarterback wants to know why we're doing
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: it that way, and there's been reports out of Alabama
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: that he was a y guy at Alabama used to
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: ruffle Nick Saban's skin a little bit, well, then that's why,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: you know, when it ultimately unfolds, Jacoby Myers is a
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: why guy, and Kendrick Bourne is a why guy, and
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: David Andrews was a why guy, and Hudter Henry was
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: a why guy. Because the quarterback is asking why and
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: they don't understand why they're doing it. So they need
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: to find a way to get Mac Jones from a
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: y guy to a run through the.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Wall guy right, a circle the wagon.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: And if you don't do that, I mean sure, all
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: the guys you mentioned I think are good leaders. It
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: won't matter if the quarterback's not on b Yeah, I
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: mean they got to fix that relationship.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Parcels called him his circle the wagon guys. These are
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: the guys that run through the wall. These are the
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: guys that carry your message to the rest of them.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: And when did those Giants teams get over the hump?
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: When Phil Simms got on board. Yeah, there was a
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: lot of back and forth with Parcels and Simms early
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: in Simms' career wasn't the greatest quarterback. But once he
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: got on board and Parcels embraced him, yep, that's when
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: the Giants got to a different level. Lawrence Taylor, I know,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: don't get in the way of a good story trying
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: to be positive today, but.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I remember when they drafted Mac people said, is he
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: going to be a captain? We said, probably not this year,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: but if he's not the captain in the second year,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: that's a problem. And sure enough they made him a captain,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: which you know you want your quarterback to be. He'd
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: better be the captain of your team. But like Paul said,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: you know, when your captain is questioning that trickles down.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: You can't have that interesting way to look at He
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: can do it, but he's got to do it privately,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would, uh, I would just.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: Use this opportunity to give a small bit of credit
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: to col strange because I feel like he's one of
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: those run through the wall guys. He's not gonna ask why,
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: He's just gonna go.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: And I think that's part of the big reason why
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: they liked him.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: People lead by example.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's willing to go through it.
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: But but I mean when he was saying that, I'm
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: just picturing Trent Brown and Isaiah win not not being
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: why guys just being like yeah, nope, yeah.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: Worse than not not not why guys they they were
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: indifferent not today.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: I just think that at the end of the day though,
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: like if if the team's winning and the players on
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: the team are good, and I think all this leadership
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: stuff is.
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: And that's that's that bigger point that I brought up
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: last week, which is like so many of these issues
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: that we talk about are because they haven't been a
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: good football team for a few years.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Like these things are snowballing. There are questions, you know
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: of teams that are really good that had bad chemistry.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: There aren't many. Yeah, chemistry is a product of winning.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Eddie's in Florida. What's up, Eddie?
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: Hey, So I like your opinion on my top of
• 42:55
  Speaker 11: the draft position wish list. But before that, can I
• 42:58
  Speaker 11: go through a lightning round with Paul on names and numbers.
• 43:01
  Speaker 11: It'll be really quick, Okay, challenge old Patriots?
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Ready for numbers? You're giving me numbers?
• 43:08
  Speaker 12: Yep, given the numbers, Go ahead. Chrity Lade fifty three,
• 43:16
  Speaker 12: Vincent Brisbee eighty two, Great Clayborn twenty six, Don Calhoun
• 43:23
  Speaker 12: forty four, Pete Brock fifty eight.
• 43:28
  Speaker 11: Matt Cavanaugh twelve three. Left Ron movemin.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: This is a guest, but I'm going to go sixty one, correct,
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Horace Horace I twenty three?
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Wow, get it out? Is this a setup? Did you
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: guys plan this? That's pretty good?
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Wait? Where's the last one?
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Horace? Ivory shout? Oh?
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Rod showed was fifty six.
• 43:52
  Speaker 11: Wow, before Rod the great tippet.
• 43:54
  Speaker 13: Did you get out there?
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Wow?
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Jaron Veris was well, that's a trick question. I believe
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: he was sixty and ninety.
• 44:02
  Speaker 11: You're correct he was ninety first.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm hit really hard.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: That is like, yeah, that's amazing.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Just so you knowing, don't ask me what number the
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: round last year?
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: That's when you were paying attention, right, sixty that's something
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: that is something all right, So your draft position.
• 44:28
  Speaker 11: Okay, so with three picks, no particular order. Cornerback, tackle, wide, receiver,
• 44:33
  Speaker 11: pretty much universal, round four, tight end, center, if not center,
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: front seven.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: What do you guys think draft good football players?
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Really, it could be as long as they're you.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Know, yeah, I mean I like the idea there. I
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: would probably put edge a little higher than you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: maybe the edge in the top three, but I like
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: I like it center.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: So center, you're replacing David.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: I think this is an interesting seventh round. Yeah, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: I took one in that.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: I took for sight in the sixth round in my mock.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: I think you gotta you gotta get ready for that.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: I know nobody cares, but I heard this is a
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: good draft for centers.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: It is a good draft, right, It is a good
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: draft for centers. But a lot of the good centers
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: are going to go in like the top one twenty five,
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: and I have no interest in doing.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: One in the first round.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: The yeah, the first round, Schmid's Schmidt.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: I saw one guy, he's a zone block. One guy
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: had like a center at twenty five. I can't no,
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: I don't think it was you know me, do it
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: on your own time. So I can't remember the name.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Tim, Thanks Eddie.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Who's the third? That might have been the one?
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: There's there's three centers. They came from Ohio state Wipler, No,
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: what was the other name?
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: You said?
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: The middle wits tipman from a Wisconsin.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: Tipman was the one I saw.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: He's an interesting I like Wisconsin lineman.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: That's what that is.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: They keep turning them out.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: That is a good point.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Freddy Dylan's in North Carolina. I hate Dylan Dylan.
• 45:55
  Speaker 14: Hey, how are you guys doing all right? I remember
• 46:00
  Speaker 14: listening to the show like a couple months ago, and
• 46:02
  Speaker 14: then Evan was talking crap about my boy Will Levis
• 46:07
  Speaker 14: Kentucky fans. He was awesome in twenty twenty one or
• 46:11
  Speaker 14: twenty twenty two, and then last year, you know, we
• 46:13
  Speaker 14: lost a lot of people. But if he drops to fourteen,
• 46:19
  Speaker 14: would you guys be willing to take him or is
• 46:21
  Speaker 14: that like completely off the ball.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't, but I could be convinced. But right now
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I say no.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: And by you could be convinced, you mean that the
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: Patriots the patriots to be convinced.
• 46:31
  Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I would much have to
• 46:35
  Speaker 14: take a cornerback because I think that's a way bigger need.
• 46:37
  Speaker 14: But I mean Max John's can't throw it nowhere near
• 46:40
  Speaker 14: as far as him. And if he just gets his footwork,
• 46:42
  Speaker 14: like Evan was saying, I think he could be a stud.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, I I mean I would be on board. And
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: you watched all their games, Dylan, most of them?
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my favorite.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Most I forget.
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: Like the guy with Henny Luker last year. I watched
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: every game he played at tennis. Okay, do I do
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: you know what you're watching?
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: Not you? Not you, Dylan hended hooker guy.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, well listen, if they if they wherever they draft,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: whoever drafts, when we want you to call back and
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: give us your reaction.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: All right, we'll do all right, thanks, Dylan. I'm gonna
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: surprise you and say I wouldn't like it. I think
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: that Mac. I think there's still some unknown.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't like it. I just think it's forget
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: about twenty twenty three.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: If you do, they're hitting the reset button.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't necessarily look at it that way,
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: but I think that Mac Jones deserves to see it through.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I do too. I think he deserves.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Because of this situation last year.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I think he deserves to see give him this year anyway,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Just give him this year.
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: But I will say probably how I feel is that
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: Max not the guy?
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: That's I mean, like I guess he.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Deserves how probably how definitively get that chance with a
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: third year, you know, with a proper system in place.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: And but if he plays well this year, you'll be happy,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: for sure, for sure, but I'll be a little surprised.
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: I'm not expecting him to. I just I just don't
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: want to look back at twenty twenty three and said, man,
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: we had fourteenth overall pick. We had a chance to
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: just you know, make the move and kind of bite
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: the bullet.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: And that's take a risk, you know.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: That's absolutely If Mac doesn't progress this year and will
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Levis does well wherever he goes, and he.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Was somebody that was available at fourteen.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Then yes, that'll be in play.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: I kind of look at it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: All of Paul's shows will be talking dangerous.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: You know what's funny about that. I was thinking about
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: this friend. I have not heard any of my shows
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: in like ten days, so I'm gonna need you to
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: I can't believe you didn't get the shakes.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna need you to tell me what the
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: shows have been saying so I can go and find
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: out if that was what actually happened. But anyway, the
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: whole dangerous to like look ahead at the next class thing, like,
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: so let's say you stick with mac Jones, like and
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: it doesn't work. If that happens, mac Jones didn't work,
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: and you're looking to move on, you're probably picking higher
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: than fourteen next year, and does that put you in
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: play to maybe get somebody? So whereas I'm listening, maybe
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: you're not necessarily kicking yourself because you let Will Levis
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: go because yeah, okay, I mean I I rolled the dice.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: It didn't work, but I can get Drake May for somebody.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know that.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's Barth's take on this whole thing,
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: because he looks seventeen drafts into the future.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: I'm not even enough to speak elementary school circuit. Yeah,
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: so I'm not alone the twenty four.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: He's telling me that Will Levis next year would be
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: like QB six or seven, and it's ridiculous. And even
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: consider this, YadA YadA, YadA. I don't like playing that
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: game because you just don't know what those guys are
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: going to be a year from now, and you don't
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: know what other guys might come out. I mean, Joe
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: Burrow was not even in the conversation, and he had
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: the season he had at LSU and he's the number
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: one pick in the draft. So you just don't know
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: a year out. But I do think that there is
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: a school of thought to that is that next year,
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: if you really need to jump back in the quarterback carousel, again,
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: it's a good quarterback class and there's gonna be some
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: options that might be equal or even better than somebody
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: like Will Levis. Personally, I would not take Will Levis
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: and I'd roll with Mac. But if the head coach
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: doesn't gonna get over it, then I take Will Levis.
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: Like if he's not gonna move on and he's not
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: gonna reset and he's not gonna get over last year
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: and all the issues that they had that are more
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: to me outside the lines, like not even about football,
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: then I don't really know why we're wasting our time
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: with Mac in the building. It just seems like we're
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: on a road to nowhere.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Eldred in North Carolina. What's up,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Eldrid Goodson, Aldred.
• 50:44
  Speaker 15: Will tell you all right? Taylor Party Podcast. Hey, you
• 50:49
  Speaker 15: know what, it's amazing. The other night I listened to
• 50:53
  Speaker 15: NFL Network.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 50:55
  Speaker 15: A Texan? I ain't thinking about taking a quarterback? But
• 50:59
  Speaker 15: it's still traded for either Meg Jones or three Lance.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: They can't all right, Well, you know you're breaking up
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: a little, Eldre. You're breaking up breaking Yeah.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: I think the Texans are an intriguing.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, we'll talk about what you just said.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: Because there's been uncertainty. You Fred, at the beginning of
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: the show, you brought up the c J. Stroud thing
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: with that aptitude test, But there's been uncertainty about what
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: the Texans want to do with that second pick. Do
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: they want to take another quarterback and sort of go
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: They're in a situation very similar to the Patriots. They
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: have a guy that can play, as Bill famously says,
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: can play in the league, but where's he going to
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: take you? In Davis Mills. I think they're very similar
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: guys based on their first two seasons. So do they
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: ride it out with Davis Mills and continue to try
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: to prop up the rest of that roster, or do
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: they take CJ. Stroud. You know, I think there's a
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: lot of different things that they can do. I just
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: don't necessarily think the test itself is that I think
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of uncertainty in Houston as to what
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: they want to do, and maybe this is the final
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: nail in Stroud's coffin for them and they move on.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: I think Indy has to take a quarterback. They're at four. Yeah,
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: I think Indy has to take one. Whether it's Levis, Richardson,
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: or Stroud, you know, whoever's available. They have to take
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: one of those guys.
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: It seems like the big media thinks that the Colts
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: want Levis and the local media thinks they want Richardson.
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: So I don't know which way that's gonna go. But
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: the Texans, to me, I think what's so fascinating about
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: the Texans is that they might pass on two consensus
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: players because they might pass on Stroud and Will Anderson
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: to draft Tyree Wilson. And now Nickosario is out on
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: an island all by himself. If he does that, and
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: if that pick doesn't work out, that's his job. I mean,
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: he's not going to keep his job. Through that because
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: he's already taken Derek Stingley over Sasce Gardner and Kenyan
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: Green over Tyler Smith last year. So that's taking Tyree
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: Wilson with a second overall pick. It goes against every
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: single consensus on this draft that you can see how I.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Forgot that, like Stingley went before Gardener. Yeah, that is
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: that's a tough one to overcome.
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: Do you think and I don't mean this to be
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: a reflection on the Patriots terrible drafts, but do you
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: think think Casaro just can't draft.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: Like I don't know could be? I mean, although I
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: do think I kind of like Stingley as a player,
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: but he's not sas God and he wasn't saus God,
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: and coming out its unquestionable A lot I think that
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: he There was a lot of questions about Stingley with
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: the injuries, and.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he prioritizes a lot like he's obviously
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: cut from the same cloth as Bill. I think that
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: he they prioritize a lot of traits that fit our
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: system and like getting it into the right you know,
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: the right molds and the right uh you know, body
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: types and things like that, and a guy like Tyrie
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: Wilson from everything that you hear about Tamika Ryan's Ryan's
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: loves length, he loves power, he loves good defensive linemen,
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: obviously what they built out in San Francisco. So Tyre
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: Wilson has been the hot pick for Houston, even though
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: every single draft expert and probably ninety percent of the
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: league thinks that Will Anderson's a better player, and that
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: that's I think sometimes you get caught up in that
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: if you're a GM like Casario, where it's like, maybe
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: just take the best player and not get not overthinking
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: about the scheme and about all that kind of stuff.
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: And if everyone is right, and that's what Casario thinks
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: going into drafts is I'm looking for guys that fit
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: my you know, my box. Well, it can't help that
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: he's had a carousel of coaches. Yeah, right, during his
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: time there, they've had what three coaches?
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Yep, it's weird. Dylan writes in from Nashville. He says,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: during the silly season, what Patriots reporter should we take? Seriously,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: won't ask you which ones we shouldn't, but would like
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: you view on the folks you can generally trust. It's
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: a good question.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: I think this time of year, I think it's an
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: excellent question, but I think it's it's also a latered one,
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: Like I need to know exactly what you're you're asking
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: to trust with. Like if someone has a trade rumor
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: on the draft, I would trust Mike Reese, I would
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: trust Albert Breer, you know, talking about the Patriots. If
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: you're talking to I mean this is you know, present
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: company excluded. Okay, I'm not talking about we're not looking
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: to break news. We're just giving you evaluations of the players.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: But if you're talking about draft stuff, like I think
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: Phil Perry does a lot of a lot of homework
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: on on on players and and I think personally puts
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: a little too much stock in the in sort of
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: the skill set box to the patriot, like the prototypical
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: Patriot thing. But and there are others. I mean, I
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: think Tom Curran is another guy with like news related
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: stuff that I would I would take seriously. But the
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: bottom line, when you're talking about the draft specifically, nobody, nobody,
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: nobody knows. I mean, I think people get them right
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: all the time. And we've gotten the first round pick
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: right about a half dozen times. Like I got ty
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: Warren brand In, Merriweather Chandler Jones. I also thought Vernon
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: Golston was going to be one of the best players ever,
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: you know, and he was Jets like our catastrophic bust.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: You know. I also liked Aaron Mabon way back once
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: upon a time. So I'll tell you the ones that
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: that I miss on just as many times as i'll
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: tell you the guys that I hit on. But we've
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: been able to identify the guy the Patriots are going
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: to take a couple of times more often than not.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: We're all it's just guessing. It's hard to know exactly
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: what teams want to do.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Andre New Jersey. We finally made it to Happy Draft Week.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Two things. One conduced not call out the names of
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: players before I hear them get picked to go to
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: the Patriots.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: Eric's not here.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: That goes to Evan as well. Please stay off Twitter.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't promise that we're not staying off Twitter.
• 56:46
  Speaker 8: Well.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Eric famously loved to tip picks. He didn't, you know,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: he didn't care, he had disdained he got anyone who
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: you know, wanted to you know, not be uh not
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: to spoil it. So he loves spoiling it.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry. I I'm with Eric on this one.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: So you're gonna just tip picks.
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: If you tell me not to, I won't, but I'm
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: not going to not do it because the.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: People get it.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Was hard.
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: It was hard last year when the cold, strange pick
• 57:13
  Speaker 7: came across across Slack and ye, and I think I
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: was the only one of the group that I was
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: like looking to make eyes with somebody because I didn't
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: want to say anything.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: But you just know, here comes a tidal wave.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: And it's on Twitter, like you know, when you get it,
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: and it's hard to just not say what the pick is.
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: And and you know, well, I don't know, they could
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: go they could go d line here or linebacker and
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: you already know what the picks, right, you know, which
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: kind of annoys me with the broadcast, right, you know,
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: they kind of know what's coming. Mayock was the terrible
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: poker face. Mike Mayock. You could absolutely tell that he
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: knew the pick when he was you know, Evan's arm
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: makes a lot of sense here, you know, at fifteen
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: for the race, like, you know what the pick is, Mike,
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: That'll be me second, pretending second, No big deal.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: On just going to the Jets. They will win eight
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: games at max and it will always be the same
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: old Jets, so f them and their fan base. Well,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm good on the last part. But I
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: think it's a big deal.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: Well, it's a deal. I would just ask, I don't
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: care how many games the Jets win, do they beat you?
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: Like those are two games, two of the games against Yes,
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: those are two games I pencil in as w's every year.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: Can I no longer do that? The cause that, to
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: me is the question because then you got to start saying, okay,
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: so you got to go from eight to ten to
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: get in the playoffs, right, ten wins should get you
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: in the playoffs with three wild cards. So how do
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: you get from eight to ten while losing two gimmes?
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: And it's just so much more the math problem, right,
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: It's just.
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: It's more than Rogers to me, it's I mean, he's
• 58:45
  Speaker 7: that last piece that they need. But it's just as
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: much about Breist Hall and Garrett Wilson and Sauce Garden
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: and all those pieces.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: You could argue the game in Foxborough featured as bad
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: a quarterback play as you could get for the Jets,
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: and you wanted to eighty nine yard part returns time
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: expired ten to three.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Right, you couldn't score either.
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: I think the bottom line is they have a better
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: roster than you take Aaron rodgerst like out of the team.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: They have a better roster than you do, and now
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: they have a serviceable to maybe even elite quarterback under center.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: I don't know how you can't see that.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: Like the show, Evan said, if Aaron Rodgers played quarterback
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: in the two games last year, they probably would have
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: won them. Right, what do you think would have happened
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: if Mike White played those same two games? I think
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: Mike White's think want them, but he might not have thrown,
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: you know, five picks or whatever. You know what.
• 59:36
  Speaker 7: Wilson God, I lost track of him game. They all
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: of them blend together for me.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: These four games are I think it's four, he's played
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: maybe three.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: All Right, we're gonna take a break. Paul's food is
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: here among others and thank you, So we'll do that
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: and then we'll come back. Lots of emails coming in.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: We're gonna get to those right after this.
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  Speaker 2: You were shaking your head. What the what are you
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't deal with him if he's going to
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  Speaker 4: be like this all weekend, Fred, I need a.
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  Speaker 23: Weekend, Paul. We know that the Bengals already gave Joe
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  Speaker 4: He's tired, he needs his rest. It's getting close tired frohim.
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  Speaker 23: Yes, Megan O'Brien, you're right, Megan, we finally found something
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  Speaker 2: That's another great moment from We don't have Eric to
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  Speaker 4: But I did like the way that Megan subtly led
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  Speaker 5: I'm actually with him on on the way that the
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  Speaker 5: draft works. Though, Oh it's just painful. It's too painful.
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  Speaker 4: But like that was just the tip of the iceberg.
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  Speaker 4: Like we started off the draft and he was already
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  Speaker 3: I was like, by the time they traded down he was.
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  Speaker 2: I've got my draft wishes and a question. So my
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  Speaker 2: hope is, and I know a lot of Patriots fans
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  Speaker 2: hate to hear it, is to trade back to somewhere
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  Speaker 2: in the early twenties and gather an extra second or
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  Speaker 2: third round pick. With this pick. I'd like to see
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  Speaker 2: electric and can get open. The team lacks a guy
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  Speaker 2: who can consistently separate, and Zay seems to fit the bill.
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  Speaker 2: My question is, if the draft lays out like I hope,
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  Speaker 2: and the team is able to gather another second or third,
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  Speaker 2: what would you what would it take for them to
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  Speaker 2: move up into the top six or eight picks in
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  Speaker 2: the second round. I'd love to see Dwan Jones still
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  Speaker 2: hanging around in the early second for them to scoop up. Okay,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: so what do you think about that strategy? Trade down,
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  Speaker 2: take Zay, pick up extra picks in the second.
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  Speaker 3: Or third, then go back up in the second, and
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  Speaker 5: That's the best case scenario to me. If you're telling
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  Speaker 5: me that I absolutely have to suffer through another trade
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: down in the first round. Like, if they're gonna do that,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: then at least trade down and target a player that's
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: gonna move the needle a little bit and say, fine,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: the trade back up in the second round. You know,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: they've traded back up in the second round in five
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: consecutive drafts.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's one of the ones I was talking about.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: They trade up as much as they trade down, but
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: it's not.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they've done that, that Christian Barmore trade in the
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: second round five straight years. So I think that that's
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: very plausible.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: But I think the thing that looms over all of
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: it is just that they need elite talent.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: And talk about Darnel Washington. I see, I don't like
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: him as much as I do. I just that's okay.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: I do like him.
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  Speaker 7: I just question if he's being overrated because I don't
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  Speaker 7: think he's ever gonna be that athletic.
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  Speaker 4: Because no, but he's being overrated because of that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, you know, like like and he just always
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  Speaker 7: looks like, you know, like a giraffe to me, Like,
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  Speaker 7: you know, the way he runs is just you know,
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  Speaker 7: he's just not a smooth athlete. I'm sure he'll be,
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  Speaker 7: you know, a great solid tight end, But I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I just I wouldn't be opposed to him, But I
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  Speaker 7: just think they need talented guys and it's and you
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  Speaker 7: can sell me on Zay in the twenties and yeah,
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  Speaker 7: that moves the needle, But who else other than Zay
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  Speaker 7: in the twenties moves the needle? Like, you know, you
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  Speaker 7: can't tell me they're gonna trade down and get a
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  Speaker 7: lot of those other guys that'll be around, like they'll
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  Speaker 7: be nice. But I just think I'd love to just
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  Speaker 7: get one player that I truly believe can be an
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  Speaker 7: elite And if you.
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  Speaker 4: Target Zay, just take them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, try to try to spin the wheel and.
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  Speaker 4: Right like, why are we going to roll the back?
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  Speaker 4: Then he's gonna go from fourteen to twenty one and still.
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  Speaker 2: Be Well, really, it's a big risk to trade down
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  Speaker 5: Right Like, if they look at the receiver position and
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  Speaker 5: they say Zay Addison, Quinton Johnston, and we're comfortable taking
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  Speaker 5: any of those three guys. If we trade down, then
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  Speaker 5: maybe do But I think the reason why you trade
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• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: trade back up again in the second round and get
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 5: two players inside the top forty instead of two players
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: inside the top fifty, which I guess you can. I
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: can hear that argument.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: I didn't hate. Yeah, I didn't hate the scenario that,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: but that's kind of what they've been doing.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a couple of tackles, you know, he mentioned
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: Dwan Jones. I think Anton Harrison is going to be
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 5: right on that fringe end of the first round beginning
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: of the second round that if those guys hang on
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: into day two and you're sitting there, Day two is
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: getting started on Friday, and we're and our best availables
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: is up, and it's you know, a couple of these
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: tackles or maybe a guy like Emmanuel Forbes or one
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: of the corners is still there. I like the idea
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: of that that second round trade up if you have
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: the AMO to do it, which I think you get
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: if you trade down, and.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: It depends what you're getting to, like, like you could
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: trade down from fourteen, you know, as someone said, twenty
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: six earlier. That that's a big that's a big just
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: so you're probably gonna get something for that, right, you know. Yeah,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: I guess a lot of people would rather have like
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: twenty one, forty six and fifty than fourteen and forty six.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't, especially when you have eleven draft picks, and
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: you know already now if you're one of those teams
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: that doesn't really help. You're just looking to trade down
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: to add some picks that you don't have, Like Miami
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: doesn't have a first round pick. Maybe they're looking to
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: add some some picks to the start. And I don't
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: love the guys that are available, Like, you know, to
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: Evan's point, you can get a group of three and
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: you're pretty comfortable, okay, But the Patriots, like, how do
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: you get these players that put you over the top
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: if you can consistently pick further down?
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: No, And to your point, pol, I think they got
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: eleven picks, like they already have the ammal guys on
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 7: the roster to move up, you know, so like would
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 7: anyone be that upset if he only came away with
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 7: god six draft picks? But you really love all of
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 7: them and they're all in ye spots where you like,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 7: I'd be ok.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: Every point. There's seventy five guys already on the roster,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: so that's that, that's eighty six. You're probably going to
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: get some specialists. Now. I know you can cut guys.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: I mean there's you know, there's seventy five guys in
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: the roster. You know twenty of them shouldn't be worrying
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: about any mortgage payments. I don't know. I just I'm
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: always in favor of getting the best players. If if
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: Zay Flower that's why I had no problem with that scenario.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: But if you really like Zay Flowers and you think
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: he's a difference maker, why not just take him at fourteen? Now,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: if you can do what the emailer said, yeah, I'd
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: rather have the guy I want at fourteen at twenty
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: one so I can add a pick in the top fifty. Sure, yeah,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: I think that makes a lot of sense.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: But there's no guarantee.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: But there's no guarantee you're getting.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: Him, right.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 7: I wonder too, how much other teams, how well they
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 7: track other teams, Like, how on top of that are
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 7: they knowing all right, these six teams they are not taking?
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: Are you sure they're not.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: Taking They didn't do a really good job of that
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: last year with their first hard pick, right, Yeah, they
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: didn't say that. Well, it's tough projection.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, we spend so much time on the Patriots.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: We could tell you immediately.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 7: But there's got to be someone within this building whose
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 7: whole job is just to tell you what is this
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: team going to take, Who do you think they like,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 7: who fits their system? You know, who has that kind
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 7: of knowledge of every single team. But even then it
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 7: seems like someone else might trade up and grab one
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: of the guys you're targeting.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: I wonder how often it teams have moles that tell
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: other teams who they're interested in, and whether it's for
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: nothing or for money. So I was watching it, I wonder.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: I was watching one of those documentaries on NFL Netport
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: the weekend and they had the eighty four draft, and
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: that was the draft that Did you see this? Did
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: you watch this?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: I've seen it before.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay. So one of the things they were talking
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: about was the pick the famous uh forty nine Ers
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: trade to get Jerry Rice. They traded with the Patriots,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: and there was three receivers. Like Evan pointed out, that
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: they wanted, and they Walsh ends up calling Cincinnati Sam White,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: who was his old offensive coordinator, and they're talking and
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: whis was like, like we Walsh told him like, we
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: want Eddie Brown, and White says, well, we like Eddie Brown.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: And I was just surprised to hear them talking about
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: how this all unfolded, Like they kid just came right
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: out and said it. What if Cincinnati didn't really want
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: Eddie Brown, But like Sam, Wish obviously thought a lot
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: of Bill Walsh. You know what if in the back
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: of his mind he was Jerry Rice. But Bill, Bill
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: thinks it's Eddie Brown. No, no, no, right, you know what
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: I mean? Yeah, right. I was surprised to hear talking
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: about it so openly. I don't know if that's exactly
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: the way it went down the way that Wish sort.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: Of who can you trust who's gonna be giving you
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: false The.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: Bottom line was that pick. By the way, as they
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: fell into it, they had three guys and that was
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: the guy that they liked the least, and they ended
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: up getting Jerry Rice.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: It's interesting though, when I was at the Shrine Bowl,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: it's very early on in the process, but just to
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: listen to scouts and I don't know if these guys
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: are you know, what a level of scout they are,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: but scouts from different teams sitting there talking to each
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: other about the players like they're on the same team.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: I was fascinated to hear some of that chatter of
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: you know, Bart and I were joking that one of
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: them was a Steelers scout and we were like, what
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: was he saying about the wide receivers, you know, and
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: stuff like that, just to hear here's a Steelers scout
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: and a Dolphins scout and they're talking about players openly
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: about what they think of these guys, even though they're
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: on different teams. So I think there is a little
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: bit more of that chatter than maybe you would expect.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: Not now, I don't think once we get really close
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: and it's at the end of.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: The day, you're all watching the same tape, right, You're
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: at the same practice. You know.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 7: It was the same thing I noticed when I, you know,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: gone to a couple of those pro days, Like it
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 7: just was a little surprising. You just don't expect all
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 7: the scouts to kind of be friendly working together going
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 7: through that. I mean, they do it all the time.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 7: It's like they just travel from school to school. Here
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 7: we are you know, what else are you going to talk?
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: They they pull together their numbers on like you know
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: they because they'll tie them forties and stuff like that
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: at pro days by by hand and they all come.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: The number that usually comes out is an aggregate of
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: or the average of all the scouts that were there,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: and they make like a circle and like somebody like
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: leads the huddle, and basically it's just like what time
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: do you have? What time do you have? What time
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: do you have? And then they average it out.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 7: It just fascinates me how they do that, like when
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 7: you know, like how like how how it can match up.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: They would have a little bit better way.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: To do that when we have a little combine here
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: every year for high school kids in the bubble and uh,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: they have electronic timers now, but I still go with
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: the iPhone and I use.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: The bop high hand.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: How close are you?
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 21: Not?
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Way off? But it's something where you're talking am the internet.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: The hundredths of second then made the combine the physical.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: Bench pressing must have liked you couldn't wait for that part.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Uh, Mitch in Albany, Is it safe to say that
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: the off season for the Patriots has been pretty quiet
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: and Mundane I was hoping we would get at least
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: one more emergency podcast because that would have meant they
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: actually did something worth noting. Second, if the Patriots were
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: to take jsn or Flowers, do you guys think the
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: offense is complete or they would still be missing another threat?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: And do you think Belichick and the coaches think jsn
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: or Flowers completes the offense and they don't need to
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: make any more moves.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: And besides offensive line.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of weapons, I just think you know,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: they brought in Gasiki, they brought in Shuster, kind of
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: a replacement if they brought in a receiver in the
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: first round. Do you think in terms of weapons they're done.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: I think they have to be, because you got those
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: guys kind of play. Yeah, say, you just can't have
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: too many mouths to feed.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 7: I just think for me that it's just the general
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 7: trait of quickness in the middle of the field.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: I just don't think they have that.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 7: I think they got some good size, some good lengths,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: some good guys to go down the field. I just
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 7: I'd like to get a couple of horizontal guys to
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 7: round it out. I mean we can say, of course
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 7: they need that like dynamic X receiver. I don't know
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: if they're going to find that in this draft, but
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 7: I mean I think overall, I'd be at least intrigued.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 7: Right now, it just feels kind of like I think.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm you know, we did the roundtable kind
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 7: of with Kasiki, you know, like I think Juju, I'm
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 7: I'm interested to see kind of what what his version is,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 7: but ultimately expect him to be vaguely as productive as.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he could could be significant upgrade from Jacob, but
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: right now we're thinking it's kind of a swap. But
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: you know, because Smith just never caught on, you're hoping
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: that Kaiski Kasiki is a clear upgrade there.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: It just gives some disclosure. I had to do a
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: Google search on the Patriots free agent signings, So no,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: it didn't like Robinson, No, I picked when I when
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: I put up a oh yeah, that to me is
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: the only like to your point, like, I think that
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: he should be right, should be significantly better than Jona Smith, right,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: but in terms of that like emergency podcast where obviously
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: will be on the air, did they make a trade
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: this weekend, not a draft trade. Oh, like for a player?
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: Do they acquire a player, a veteran player.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say yes, just because I feel like they
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: usually do.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 7: Like I don't know, there's always seems like there's some movement.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say yes. I'm gonna say
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 7: they will.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: I've been percolating on that. I think yes, as well
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: as Jerry Judy done, can I can?
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: We can? We pivot? Sure? Brandon Aiyuk? Why the hell
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: would San Francisco on trade him?
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: Because they don't have the money to pay all of them.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: He's in the same exact position contractually as Jerry Judy,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: same spot his fourth year right now of his rookie deal,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: going into the fifth year option.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: But they're super Bowl caliber like Denver, right.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: But I could see a team like San Francisco thinking
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: that we can trade Brandon Nayuk and we can draft
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: insertin name here, and we have the system and we
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: have the infrastructure that that guy's going to be as
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: good as Brandon nay.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: That would be just as arrogant as that ding bat
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: would would act. He would say, it doesn't matter. I
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: can just plug the guy in.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, usually this trade happens on
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: the second day, right after the teams have gotten their
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: first round. It's like, okay, now we'll trade so and so.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: Usually that's you know, Randy Moss was second day, you know, you.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: Know, yeah, and that's what I'm talking. I don't necessarily
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: mean Thursday night, but right, I think that we've sort
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: of forgotten about acquiring somebody via trade. And I don't
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: ever rule it out, no.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: But for good reason, because it's so hard to say
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: what are they going to do?
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 7: I mean, you can throw random players out there that
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 7: could possibly make sense, but probably it's going to be
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 7: somebody that we haven't of course, you know it's gonna be.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, right.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: I just brought up by Yuk because some of the
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: the forty nine ers beat writers that I follow have
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: been talking a lot about wide receivers in this draft
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: for them because of that exact reason, we're just gonna
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: swap them out. You know, we're not gonna pay Auk
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: long term, so we're already paying Debo and Kittle and McCaffrey,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: and you know, they don't have the money to pay
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: all these guys, and so what's the difference to them
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: between Nyuk and Jonathan Mingo or who you know, whoever,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: and they kind of just do a swap there and
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: get something back for Brandon Nyuk. I don't know, it
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: just it dawned on me as somebody that we talked
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: so much about Hopkins, we talked so much about Judy,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: and it's sort of going after that, what's that Who's
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: the guy that nobody's talking about that all of a
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: sudden gets moved like aj Brown last year?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam in North Carolina says last season, I felt
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: the defense had a hard time getting off the field
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: on third in three to five yards. Is there someone
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: the Patriots could draft that could help them get off
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: the field in these situations? Yeah, Christian Gonzale.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, they just had trouble getting off the field
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: on third down. I don't think that the distance of
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: the yardage was really.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, I would say that probably all defenses struggle
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: in that situation, third and three to five.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: Right, everything's on the table.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you don't have to necessarily execute at a
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: high level on third and three, you know, a quick
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: hit or boom. You know, we didn't get a we
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: didn't get a big gain, but we moved the chains.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: Alex writes in from Charlotte. Question for Paul uh about
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: the state of the team? Uh, First, which pick on
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: Thursday is less disappointing for you? B John Robinson or
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: a tackle at fourteen which is.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: Less less disappointing would be the tackle? And I love
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: B John Robins. Before anybody said, like, I think B.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: John Robinson's a very good player. We kind of talked
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: about this. There's an argument we made that he's the
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: best player in this class. He might not be, but
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: there's an argument for it. I just don't like the
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: idea of a running back that high. Maybe it's stubborn.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: I mean it's not the first time I'd be guilty
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: of that. I'd be less disappointed with the tackle.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: Secondly, if you could wave a magic wand and just
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: get rid of the O line and D line in
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: football and you are the GM of the team, what
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: wide receive was did you bring in via trade draft
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: or signed to add explosive That's that's a loaded question. Yeah.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: I like Evans brandan Ayuka theory. I just I guess
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: I'll never underestimate his stupidity. I think nothing of Shannan.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: If you can't tell, I think absolutely nothing of a
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: guy who is the championship game so arrogant and he
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: keeps costing them when you get there. Well not this year,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: but I just think that the idea that you could
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: get doesn't matter. I just I plucked him off the
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: off the stud tree because it's my system. That's you know,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: maybe he will trade him, maybe he'll think like that,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: but I would look at it and say, I'm super
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: Bowl caliber right now. I have guy in his fourth
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: year in a contract year. It behooves him to light
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: it up for him. And if I can't retain him,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: I can't retain him. But I'm gonna roll the dice
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: and just say.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 7: I can do it with anybody, especially with like it
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 7: sounds like somebody else, McCaffrey, Debo injuries.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: You know, it's my point, like, what happens if you
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: do that? You draft a guy who may or may
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: not be able to play. Let's face it, it's a
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: draft pick who knows and then Debo, who's always in
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: and out of the lineup, and McCaffrey, who's always in
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: and out of the lineup, are hurt at the same time.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: So now you got George Kittle, who, by the way,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: also isn't the most durable player. And that's it. I
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: have the super Bowl caliber roster in my system that
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: evidently is flawless. Although I've never won a title.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: It is a good system, you know, And I could
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: just plug anybody into it.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: But now I got nothing. I have no one to
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: plug in. I mean, it's a good point. I don't
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: think that he I don't think that Evan's wrong. I
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: think that's the way he thinks.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 5: I would not have thrown it out there if I
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: didn't see some of the San Francisco media chattering about it,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: Like I'm reading these about the forty nine ers and
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: all the like wide receivers at near the top of
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: the needs list because of getting out ahead of Brandon Nayuk.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: You know, in his contract, you spent a better pro
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: than Jerry Jude and everybody's got over Judy, right, He's
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: been a lot better in the pros than Judy. I'm
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: a different situation, but yeah.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: He doesn't have that magic system.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: Well he doesn't mean Jerry Judy doesn't have George Kittle
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: and Christian McCaffrey and Deebo Samuel taking the attention.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, should we give away a T shirt?
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: Matt Oh wow, okay, all right, so we'll give away
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: a T shirt. First correct answer that emails it to
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: web radio at Patriots dot com wins the T shirt.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: It's a Patriot's unfiltered T shirt. And the question is,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: what was the name of the Patriots first online video show?
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: What was the name of the Patriots first online video show?
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 7: Maybe we should bring some T shirts up to the
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 7: draft party on Thursday, and we still don't have that
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 7: T shirt.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: Gun got gotta have some reason for being at the
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: draft party.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, you got to write it down.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: I went an hour and a half.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 7: Well, I was thinking if we have one of those
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 7: T shirt launching machines that we could, you know, find
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 7: lucky fans in the stands and shirt faced.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: As long as I'm not doing the firing, because I
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: do not want to then fired.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: Right, Let's see Rory in the UK writes in Happy
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers Day. Everyone with the Patriots, now the bookies
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: least favorite to win the division, and the team's recent
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: draft history fresh in our minds, I'm sure excitement is
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: high in Patriot's Nation. If you find your I sent
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: a little sarcast.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: Vegas is always.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 6: We have a winner already in Albany. Who Mitch from
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 6: Albany with Patriots cyber sideline.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: That's correct, my roommate, welcome.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: All right. Maybe we'll do another uh.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: Welcome to you later in the show cyber sideline.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: All right, good Mitch.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 24: Uh.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: If you find yourself a little too excited about the
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: upcoming draft to need your mood setting settling down a bit,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: I highly recommend the excellent NFL film channel NFL Throwback
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: on YouTube. Sit back pop on the two thousand and
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: eight or twenty thirteen draft or something like that, and
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: watch all those teams who are sure they're getting better
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: now that they have Goster Cherilists or Chance Warmack sarcasm aside.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: I'm fully on board with just drafting. No, I'm just
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: I'm fully on board with just drafting someone who's fun
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: to watch, like Deontay Banks or z or something just
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: give me hope.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: And I thinkists from Somerville by the oh.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: I find it interesting that that people find that there
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: are a lot of people do find corners to be
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: fun to watch, because I I enjoy breaking down corners,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: But on TV, you don't even see him seventy five
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: percent of the time, right, So, I don't know.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: They're fun to watch when you need that play at
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: the end of the fourth quarter to win the game,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: and they make it fun.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: Right sure, yeah, like a guy like that, But yeah,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: I get that. I just I don't know. I know
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: what you don't banks is really going to get like
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: people are like, Yeah, Like.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm really starting to warm up on
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: save Flowers though. I mean, he's there's enough of these
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: national pundits that are high on Zay Flowers in terms
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: of visibility that make me say, maybe I should give
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: him a second look because BC isn't known for wide receivers.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: They're not known for offense. You know my linement ever
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: since time offensive Lineman's yeah, ever since Tom koffin Matt Ryan,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: you know. And uh so, the fact that Zay Flowers
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: is that high up with a lot of these expert
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: means he broke through, you know, that barrier that DC
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: players have, so he might be better than we all
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: think he is. You know.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: I mean I don't think he could be better than
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: I think that would be hard, you know, So I
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: like I'm wondering.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: What everybody thinks. What how do you know what everybody thinks.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: I've been doing my first or second round pick.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: No, but they're saying like he's got exceptional ability to
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: get separation. That you know, if he had had a
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: quarterback that was more accurate, he'd be even better.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, but I think everybody has him in their
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: top five receivers. Yeah, but in the class. I mean,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: I think he's very high.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: But I think a lot of people don't think you
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: should pick him high in the first round. I think
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: you should wait till late first round, early whatever. But
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't take him high in the first round. But
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: I've heard people saying I'm guilty. Don't don't let the
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: size cloud your judgment.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: I will, Like, I just think the size thing is
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: just that's today's game is just today like it's so
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: it's so much leans towards like the player that Zay
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: Flowers is. Like, I just I always get caught up
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: on the size thing because you can't touch anybody down
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: the field anymore, so like who's who? Like where is
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: the physicality overpowering? And maybe at the line of scrimmage,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: But if you're not playing him a ton on the outside,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: and he's not going to face a ton of press
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: coverage anyways. So I keep going back to that when
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: people are like always too small, and I'm just like,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 5: who is, Like they can't ride receivers down the field anymore.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: If he breaks at the top of the route and
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: somebody grabs him, it's going to be a flag every
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: single time. So where is the physicality part of it?
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: I concern with size has nothing to do with getting
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: off press coverage. It has to do with withstanding the
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: punishment over the middle, which my guess is at Boston College,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: he didn't take a lot of shots over the middle. Yeah,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: but I think I think you will now listen, Edelman
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: was able to withstand them and Welker was able to
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: withstand them. They both had long careers in that spot
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: at similar size. I just think he's a different guy.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: Is really small.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: I heard one pundit compare you know, minus the craziness
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: to Antonio Brown.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: That that's like the popular ceiling comparison for him, meaning
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: if he absolutely hits it out of the park, he could.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: He has that type of movement skill. But I just
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know if he's going to be a guy
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: that's going to have to live in that real middle,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: packed in the middle of the field because he has
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 5: that explosiveness to separate over the top. So how is
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: he going to survive the middle of the field. Probably
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: by running away from everybody, Like you know, that's.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: What he did in college. When you're watch him on tape,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: he runs away from everybody. I don't think you can
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: do that in the pros. That's fair, We'll see, because
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: I think everybody's that fast in the pros.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, but it's it's how quickly do you
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: go from zero to the accounting from that was? You know,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: if you go to forty speed, that's different. But I'm
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: talking about the shuttle speed, the cone.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 7: Quick the ins and the outs, the three coney.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: He actually didn't run the agilities, which for some people
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: is a little bit of a flag because he looks
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: really quick on film, So what are you hiding?
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: Are you not at?
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: But I think with him, his quickness really shows up
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: after the catch, like he's one of those guys that
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: you know, he had a cut against Louisville where he
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: broke two guys his ankles and one cut right and
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: then he just kind of takes off up the sideline.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: So I don't know, I don't necessarily look at him
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: as like a Welker Edelman slot. I look at him
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: more as like a Dion Branch type of receiver that's
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: gonna get up the field a little bit more. So
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: I'm not as concerned about him getting hit.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, I will say this, I will not be
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: disappointed if that's the pick. I like the idea of
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: adding a dynamic athlete in the passing game. You know
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: how you always like, well, if they pick him, I'll
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: I'll be on.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 5: If they have him in Taekwon on the field together.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: Even if Taekwon is just just a fast guy that's
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: running in a straight line. That that's some serious explosive.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: Throw Marcus Jones out there for a player too.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: I have some concerns about I have a day pick.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: I mean I've been saying that for four months.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: The rhyming that you could do, the headlines.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: Kids, no.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: Mackenzie, things are blooming in Gele.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, the flowers, yeah, oh, we could go crazy with him.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 7: Uh, local kid Eric might come out of retirement just
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 7: for that to like, for all the flowers puns that
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 7: he could.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, April drafting brings trade flowers.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Todd's and Greenville. What's up? Todd.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 24: Let me begin by congratulating you on listening to your
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 24: draft team and finding Eric's replacement with you know, that
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 24: youthful snark and knowledge of the game. And most importantly,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 24: you know, Evan cares about the game, so that's probably
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 24: that's true.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: Liking football is a big advantage.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: He likes the game too much.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Married to the game, baby.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure your girlfriend was hearing that.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: Told her the other night. You didn't go over well
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: for me for this draft.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 24: What I'm looking for, do the Patriots address the needs
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 24: based on the current you know, I don't know take
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 24: zeitgeist because that's Spread's word, but the current you know,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 24: mode of play in the NFL. Do they get fast linebackers,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 24: do they get that outside speed? They do they address
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 24: it looking to where the game is or do they
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 24: go back to saying, hey, we're going to do some
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 24: smash po stuff. We're going to do our style, you know,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 24: this controlled stuff and we're going to you know, run
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 24: first past second whatever. I really want to see what
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 24: they do because I think that's going to tell us
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 24: where the staff is what they're thinking and how it's
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 24: going to go forward. I think that's what we got
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 24: to look for. Yeah, what does your guys take?
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 15: Thanks guys.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 5: They they draft a fast linebacker in the top one hundred.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: Ball in this class. Not a great linebacker class. I think.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 5: I saw somebody I think is Marcus Moser. One of
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: those people does like a big consensus board every year
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: which takes like Kuiper McShay and Jeremiah and like all
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: the big draft people and puts it all in one
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: aggregate board. And Jack Campbell was the I know Drew
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: Sanders consensus number one linebacker at like forty six or
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: something like that in the top one hundred. You know,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: just not not a great linebacker class this year.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 7: I just think for me, the biggest issue I see
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 7: with that linebacker thing is is just when they get
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 7: with the mobile guys, you know, it's like the safeties
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 7: can't quite stick with them and you know, get him
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 7: down and the linebackers can't catch them, and you know,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 7: they just get stuck in the middle area.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: But otherwise I've given up.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 7: I just like they they that's what their philosophy is
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 7: with strong safeties and linebackers until Jawan Bentley leaves or
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 7: till I leaves or you know, they have to make
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 7: a decision on Dougger.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: I think that's what they're gonna do.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: Would you take van Ness in the first round at fourteen? No? No,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't love him.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: You don't I like him, but not at fourteen?
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'd much rather.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's stupid to say, but I mean the
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 7: Tyree Wilson's like those guys.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: He's someone I've seen anywhere from top ten to down
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: in the twenties.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 5: If they take van Ness, then Bill better get a
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 5: good review from what's his name? The coach at Iowa,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: i Farence, because he wasn't a full time player at Iowa.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: He didn't start a single game right at Iowa. And
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: he was like a four hundred snap guy last year.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: But he was out there on all the key situations.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: He was but he was like their josh u Ja.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: And it's if you're drafting him at fourteen, then you
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: need him to be a three down player. So why
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: wasn't he a three down player at Iowa. It's not
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: like Iowa had seventeen defensive ends that were all, you know,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 5: it's not Alabama, Like, we're not talking about a school
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 5: that has five star recruits up the wazoo on the
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 5: defensive line.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: So yeah, let's go to Aaron in New Haven. What's up, Aaron? Aaron?
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: Are you on mute? Okay, Aaron is gone. I'm sorry
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: about that matchup. Aaron sam in Toronto rights in. He said,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: I wrote a whole email on my thoughts that the
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: Patriot should draft offense with the first two or three picks,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: as I believe they need to stop trying to win
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: games with a score of six to three and get
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: back to being able to win thirty eight, thirty five.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: Oh Paul would love that.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: Well, that was the beauty of Brady. He could Beatre
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: six three or thirty eighth, whatever you decided.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: Was And then everybody said he played well when they
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: won six to three.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: Then I remember they used their Then I remember more
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: than I am. Then I remember they used their first
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: two picks on offense last year, and it didn't matter.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: So I deleted the whole thing to now say I
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: don't care what they do as long as they hit
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: on the players they take this. Teams need franchise players
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball bad. But I'm keeping
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: expectations low going into it to protect myself after the
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: last ten or so drafts. I just hope the first
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: two picks don't cause the PR team to have to
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: turn on the spin machine like last year about the
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: picks that they weren't reaches and that if we didn't
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: take them, another team was about to. Let's let the
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: other teams do the early reaching. Please good email.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's what the bottom line is, Like, I
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 7: don't really care trade up, trade down, but like, just
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 7: hit the picks, Like, just hit the picks, and good
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 7: players have been selected in every round of the draft,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 7: and that's what they have to do. And until they
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 7: start getting those guys, it's it's gonna be more of
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 7: this like seven eight win seasons.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I've been really as the draft gets closer,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 5: like the whole what position should they take in the
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: first round?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: Good football player?
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 5: Like just get me somebody that is that is going
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 5: to have some elite potential or whatever position it is
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: other than nose tackle and running back.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: I don't really think that it's true, but that's the
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: beauty of needing four or five spots you don't have
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: to be pigeonholed into taking one.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 5: I also think, you know, to spin it with a
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: little bit of positivity. In free agency, they filled out
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: the back end of the depth chart and they added
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: some guys at tackle. They added some guys you know
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: that can that are those depth pieces. So because you
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: have a Riley Reef on the roster, you're not absolutely
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: desperate to take a tackle in the first round.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: I agree you could take one in the third round
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: that you have an idea. Maybe it isn't quite ready,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: but I can plug in Riley Reef and I'm probably
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: gonna get twelve games out of him, and if I
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: need my rookie third round pick to play four or five,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: I'll be okay.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 7: That's why cornerback sticks out to me because I do
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 7: have some confidence in them at tackle and developing tackles
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 7: and you know those kind of things. Like a guy
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 7: like Tyler Steen, you know, like I could see that
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 7: being the pick and then he.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: Kind of emerges with cornerback.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 7: I just that with this class, with where they're picking,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 7: it just there's a handful of really potential elite guys
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 7: and then you get into good corners that are fine,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 7: and they could fill a role. But for of all
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 7: the positions that I feel like, if it's now or never,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 7: I feel like that's probably cornerback.
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  Speaker 3: For me.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 7: It's like if you don't get one at fourteen, you're
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 7: probably just gonna, you know, take a take a shot
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 7: on somebody in the second or third round that you
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 7: know just isn't the slam dunk it that Gonzales or Banks.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: Or Macro is up there. Gushing about the cornerback class
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: last week, he said that there's gonna be a couple
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: of corners on Sauces level like that high up in
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: the in the draft. You know, I'm sure he's talking
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 5: about like Witherspoon and Gonzales, but.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: I've heard that there's a lot of good players in
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: that position that you're gonna They're gonna be really good
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: players in the lower round too.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: I think you're drafting startable corners into Day three.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, I think you could talk yourself
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: either way like Mike's Mike's theory or you know, like
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: that you know, the tackle theory, because if you I
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: think it's the same at all positions. If you want
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: a guy to plug and play, you need to take
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: him in the first round. Now you have to decide,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: is Broderick Jones or Paris Johnson and Peter Scronsky a
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 4: better player than Banks or Porter or whoever you Because
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming my dream of Gonzales and with you know,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: everybody has Witherspoon and Gonzales in the top ten. I'm
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: assuming they're gone. So now you're talking about Porter or
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: who Banks? Your guy? Right?
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah? We like Banks. We like Banks, not as big
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: on Porter as I was talking about all the great
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks to the AFC East. Now David and Bethlehem says,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: what is the kryptonite for them defensive ends? Let's forget
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: O line prudence and draft a game wrecker. Please tell
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: us who we should draft in that.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: Case, ty w of course he could be off the board.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: I picked two.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: But if he's not, you can read my mock draft
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: and I'll show you how the Patriots can get him.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: Find out there you go.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: Kryptonite though, yeahing, Aaron Rodgers won how many MVPs no
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: one had a defensive end.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: I guess to be fair, though, every single quarterback, whether
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 5: it's Aaron Rodgers or it's Patrick Mahomes, when you put
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: pressure on him, they play worse like that's just the
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: that's the bottom line, no doubt, And now you need
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: to have guys that can cover for at least a
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 5: little bit to get that. Let the rush get there
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 5: and all marries up. As Bill likes to say, but
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 5: there's an argument there to be made that if they
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 5: added Tyree Wilson to Judan and Ouch and Barmore and
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 5: Dietrich U like, now they have this elite front that
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: can get after Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 7: Yep, I mean I set up before, what does this
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 7: defense look like without Matthew Judon.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: I just think the drop off and the change that's
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: required if that guy got hurt, it's it's the.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 7: Falloff will be humongous. And neither of those other guys
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 7: are three down guys. I I could totally see them
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 7: trying to take a three down defensive end edge guy
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 7: makes it makes a lot of sense.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: Caleb wrights In been wanting to make this point for
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: a while that I think gets overlooked a lot of
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: the by the loud minority of our fan base. I know,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: the last couple of years we've been seeing teams around
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: the AFC and the whole AFC East catch up and
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: pass us by far in terms of playmakers and talent.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: I think it is often overlooked that the Bills, Jets,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: and Dolphins, along with others around the AFC are in
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: their competitive position because they absolutely sucked for ten years
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: or more. Especially the teams in the AFC East have
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: only just now been able to field good teams after
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: years of top ten after top ten pick, multiple top
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: ten picks for the Jets, which landed them Sauce and Wilson.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: I get it. Bill has whiffed in the draft in
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: years of late, but we also have won three Super
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: Bowls and have been to five since twenty eleven. People,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: while we are rebuilding, every AFC East team are exhausting
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: their means to win it all now, and you can
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: only have one Super Bowl winner every season. So I
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: guess this point is that they've been drafting high for
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: a long time and we haven't.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 7: That's fine, and there's definitely truth to some of those
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 7: players that the other teams have had opportunities to play,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 7: but they've also you know, made other selections like you know,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 7: Matt Malano or you know, other picks that they've hit
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 7: on that weren't necessarily even those top round picks that
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 7: have been successful. And I mean the Patriots are now
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 7: what going on four years, haven't won a playoff game,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 7: haven't made the playoffs in two of the last three years.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 7: If if you know still telling you, hey, they've been
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 7: to five Super Bowls each year, it gets more and
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 7: more like it's not going in a good direction right now.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: The Bills I sort of bristle at the whole, like, well,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: you've got to be up to The Bills made what
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: I don't what I think is a very underrated move.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 4: I don't think people understand the risk that they took
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: to get up and get Josh Allen, Like they didn't
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: luck into the fourth overall pick, and they were they
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: would terrible in the right year, and got the stud first.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: There was nowhere near a consensus on Josh Allen coming
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 4: out second. They went from I believe twenty seven to
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: ten or something like that. They went from the twenties
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: to like ten to get Josh Allen, so a guy
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: that not everybody was good. They didn't do that to
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: get Andrew Luck. They did that to get a guy
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: that not everybody was sold on. And they were right
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: and that's why the Bills are what they are right now.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: Like you can talk about they picked in the top ten, well,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: they were in the playoffs in seventeen, nineteen, twenty, twenty one,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: twenty two. Like this is not like, oh, they got
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: good last year because they had ten years of first rumpet,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: you know, top ten picks. That ain't it. They've they've
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: gotten good because they've nailed a quarterback pick that not
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: everybody would have done. And I'll be completely honest, I
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: would have done that. I wasn't sold on Josh Allen
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: coming out like that. I was intrigued by the skill set,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: but would you have trade it up? No? I think
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: they made two trades actually to do it. I don't
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: have the numbers in front of me, but I think
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: they to go from the twenties to ten to get
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen, which I don't think a lot of gms
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: would have done. Well.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: The Chiefs did the same thing for Patrick Mahomes, And
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 5: I think that this is to you know the email,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: and I'm right there with you, not top ten picks.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: The Patriots also just don't think that way, right, The
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: Patriots don't think that way. They don't do it that way,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: and for better or worse, it hasn't really worked out
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: the way that they do things. The trade down and
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: draft cole strained strategy hasn't really panned out for them
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 5: now that the Bills they traded all the way up
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 5: to draft Josh Allen, then they traded a first round
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 5: pick for Stefan Diggs. These are moves that the Patriots
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 5: have not made, and it will not make.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: If it works for the Jets. That's an example of
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: what the email is talking about. The Jets have had
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 4: several years of ineptitude, several top ten picks. They finally,
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, they've hit on a lot of them, and
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 4: if they have the quarterback now, they'll probably see, you know,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: some success. Yes, that's an example of that they got
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: good because they were so bad. But I don't necessarily
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: think the Bills are good right now because they were bad.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: You know in twenty fourteen fifteen, you know, in that
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: era or Kansas City, they also were going to the
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: playoffs with Tyrod Taylor, much like Kansas City that haven't
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: just mentioned was going to the playoffs every year with
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: Alex Smith. They got to a different level when they
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: got the stud at quarterback.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: So Alex says, because Paul is a crazy memory, I
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: wanted to challenge him to see if he could recall
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: drewp LED's those four touchdown performance against the Chargers, name
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: how each touchdown pass was scored either by how many
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: yards or by who?
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: What do you dance for us? Monkey?
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: Wait, First of all, that's a little bit even for me,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: that's a little ridiculous. Really we're talking about.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: This would be right on the tip of your tongue.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: Well, I need more information. Can I know what Charger
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: game we're talking about?
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: It was the game they won forty one to seven.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: Okay? Is this at home or on the road?
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: It was probably the one No?
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: Six? It was away ninety six, Okay. The ones that
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: stands out to me is a one handed catch by
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 4: Terry Glenn on a ball that just proving that I
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: am I am nothing but fair. Then drew through a
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: terrible ball, so Terry Glenn reached back. One of them
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: wasn't one way and he caught it.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one was a twenty five yard pass to Terry Glenn.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: I got nothing else for you. I assume one was
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: to Ben Coats.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Ben COT's four yard pass and then twelve
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: yard passed to Sam Gash and a two yard passed
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: to Keith Buyers.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, wow, and I.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: Was at fullbacks get that was?
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: That was thanksgivings the h back.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: How could Terry Glenn do that when Bill Parcells didn't
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 5: get the draft them.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know. That was one handed catch by Glenn
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: and he never made another play. Someone was right about him.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: His name was Bill Pushall.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: Terry Glenn never made another play.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: Terry Glenn was a colossal disappointment. That's a little harsh.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: He broke the rookie record for with catches.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: Colossal disappointed, the rookie record for quarterback play true.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield, No, but he wasn't a disappointment that homework.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: It's just like who cares who cut the most. Overall,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: he didn't have a great career. Oh No, he was
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: a waste of talent.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: He was a waste to tell but that he had
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: a great year that year he did.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Bill knew what the flags were.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: Overall, he wasn't He wasn't uh disappointment.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: He was a good player. Oh. I loved Terry Gwinn absolutely,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: but he was not what he was supposed.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: To be No, he could have been so much better now.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: He never got back to ninety, never.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: Reached that potential, but he was always out of the
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 4: lineup because it wasn't that important to him.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: Bill knew a lot of issues. R I p a
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: lot of issues. That's right, Peter writes in Can't Wait
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: for the Draft shows, he died, gott he died. As
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: others have said, they are my favorite shows, so we
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: get so much content. I enjoyed Eric getting upset and
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: then shutting down, but when Paul was not sold on.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 4: Solder Evan will be ready to shut it down.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed Mike's absolute disappearance from the first draft show.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know that he liked that. I was just
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: watching even tomorrow from last year, having so many chances
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: for the team to pick her guys and they never did.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: I'm a bit of a weirdo and wait to listen
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: to the podcast the day after. I checked to see
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: who the Patriot's a picked. Usually it's someone terrible or unexpected.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: There is nothing better than hearing the disappointment in all
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: of you guys where the pick is made, then some
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: of you managed to pretend you're happy about the pick.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: I won't say who can't wait.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: My favorite draft tradition is Fred's disappointment followed by the
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 4: next night excitement.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: Well then I go home and I, you know, do
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: my and then I come back and I tell you
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: why it.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: Was a good checks.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 5: Please don't tell me that. Please don't tell me you
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: talk yourself into cal strange.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: He had a hard time with that. Yeah, no, we
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: gotta draw the line.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, I still say that I don't mind
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: them taking a guard because they need one. But not there,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: not there. You could have had him later or someone
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: of his Yeah, John, and Denver writes in time is
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: it because we got Catch twenty two coming up right
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: Tuesday Special Tuesday edition of Catch twenty two. I flipped
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: back and forth on if the Patriot should draft Levis.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: At first I thought he was a second t bow
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: and wanted no part of him. Then I wanted him
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: when I remembered that scene from Moneyball where one of
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: the scouts at the roundtable says a player can't be
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: good because his girlfriend is six is a six at best,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: and that proves he has no confidence. If you follow
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: this line of thinking, Will has all the confidence in
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: the world and gonna hot girlfriend. But I recently learned
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: Will Levis eats bananas without peeling them, money and puts
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: mayo in his coffee. Certified psychopath, and I want nothing
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: to do with that level of crazy.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: Finally, that's the exact kind of crazy that makes people.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: I heard about that and coffee and just eat the skin.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: And all, and Tom Brady ate avocado ice cream. They're
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 5: all a little crazy.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: Finally, the NFL Twitter account posted a photo of his
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: physical transformation, and I had deuced Derek Henry. I had
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: aduced Derek Henry moment, and his stature is insane. In
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: the end, I have no idea what to think about
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: looking forward to the always great draft shows. Thanks for
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: the great shows, but looking forward to more off season
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: talk coming soon.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 7: Okay, great, I mean I don't want to build it
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 7: up too much, but I think that this one.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: I think this potential they could get dark. We could
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: be in a dark place.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: Potential.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: Let's remember you're on live radio.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: That's being fed directly into the Patrio's drafts.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: Well, good for you. That will be off video by
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 4: that time.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 5: So yeah, because then I can like give myself a
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 5: second to collect myself self if it's really as bad
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 5: as it might be. And then like you guys can talk,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 5: you know, and give your reactions and then I'll collect it.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: Is it too late to effort? And Evan iso Cam
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: maybe we get like that they just that like you know,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: the slow zoom speeds of sweat.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 5: But the thing is is I really mean that I
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 5: do it out of love, like because I want them
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 5: to be good, and so when they do stuff that
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 5: I can't get behind, then that it's disappointment.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 4: It's that's true like that. I think that was Eric's
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: big problem because I think Eric would morph back into
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 4: like twelve year old Eric. Yeah and yeah, really be excited, and.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 5: That's what the draft brings out of it more so
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 5: than this will be disappointment.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 4: And I really think that was part of Eric's anger.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: But to me, it was just it was laughable because
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: if there's one person who really shouldn't be second guessing anybody.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: It's Eric.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: You know, I really a guard.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 4: Oh that was such an unnecessary shot that I would
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 4: just been.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: But I like Evan at least he puts the work in.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: You know, he's working tirelessly, so he has informed opinion.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: You know, But that's what makes it. That's all on
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 4: the radio.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 5: I agree with the most of that, except that he's
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 5: lost my trust.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm sure he's lost sleep with that.
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  Speaker 5: He probably hasn't but talked to me when he hits
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  Speaker 2: Paying I could just see all access. So behind the
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  Speaker 4: Might be right every once in a while.
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