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Cody Bellinger weighing multiple offers, Skubal & Boras open to negotiating w/Tigers? HOF Election Day · Foul Territory

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Everyone's new favorite song, Where will Belly sign? Jim Bowden?
• 0:14
  Speaker 2: With this tweet this morning, Cody Bellinger is mulling over
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  Speaker 2: multiple offers from multiple teams and is expected to make
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  Speaker 2: a decision shortly. That does usually mean decision in the
• 0:26
  Speaker 2: next let's call it twenty four to seventy two hours,
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  Speaker 2: right where there's a soft timeline on the player and
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  Speaker 2: representation side. I don't want to say it always is
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  Speaker 2: the case, but it is often the case.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: We started to hear the Kyle Tucker whispers last week,
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  Speaker 2: and then within about twenty four to thirty six hours
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  Speaker 2: the decision came. So I do think that we're going
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: to learn about Cody Bellinger's ultimate destination for the twenty
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: twenty six season in the next one to two days.
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  Speaker 2: Mulling multiple offers to me aj and I know we've
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: talked about this a lot this week. This means I've
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  Speaker 2: got the long term thing from the Yankees. I probably
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  Speaker 2: have a short term offer from the Mets that is
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  Speaker 2: at a higher yearly rate, and then a team like
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  Speaker 2: the Blue Jays might fall in either category. My guess
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  Speaker 2: is that they're in the longer term category and maybe
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  Speaker 2: kind of a hybrid of both where they still give
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  Speaker 2: you an opt out somewhere within that deal as well,
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  Speaker 2: just naming three that I think they are likely in there.
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  Speaker 1: Do we really think that they're in there?
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just saying just as Susan Slusser, she said they
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  Speaker 4: need a bat in the outfield that can play defense.
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  Speaker 4: Really well, hm, that sounds like Cody Bellinger. Why not
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  Speaker 4: do I said it kind of as a joke, but
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  Speaker 4: why not do what they've done with Chapman and they
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  Speaker 4: did it with Snell. I'll snow onto the Dodgers, But
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  Speaker 4: the Dodgers have also done these short they just didn't
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  Speaker 4: want to tucker right short term deal. The Mets did
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  Speaker 4: it with Boba Schett. Why can't Why can't the Giants
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  Speaker 4: go to Bellinger and be like, hey, we'll give you,
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  Speaker 4: you know, four years one hundred and fifty with an
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  Speaker 4: opt out after the first two years. I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: just throwing random numbers out there to get them there though,
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  Speaker 4: and get the fans excited.
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  Speaker 2: They're also not near the luxury tax number as far
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  Speaker 2: as I'm doing my math here, So I've got the
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  Speaker 2: latest number pulled up there at two twelve. The luxury
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  Speaker 2: tax number is I believe in the two forties. So
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  Speaker 2: they're still well behind that number. And the point is
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  Speaker 2: that's when you start to get taxed and some penalties
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  Speaker 2: start to hit you. They're not even close to some
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  Speaker 2: of the teams that are involved that end up paying
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  Speaker 2: essentially double.
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  Speaker 1: We go over this all the time, right.
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  Speaker 2: The teams don't look at it as, hey, I sign
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  Speaker 2: this player, I'm really putting double the money together against
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  Speaker 2: my payroll. They spread it out right, Hey, this is
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  Speaker 2: the responsibility of our whole payroll. But from a fan perspective,
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  Speaker 2: that is how the money is laid out.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: If they go over that mark, right like the Mets,
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  Speaker 2: for example, if they spend thirty five a year on Bellinger,
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  Speaker 2: it's more like seventy five for this coming season.
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  Speaker 1: The Giants don't have to deal with that.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: The resources different rencheal is clearly there. Steve Cohen is
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  Speaker 2: much more willing to spend. But it is a good
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  Speaker 2: call for the sake of this exercise. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: they're involved. So Kratz, what do you think if let's
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  Speaker 2: say those are the three finalists, where do you think
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  Speaker 2: Cody Goes? Does he go with the sexy new trend
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  Speaker 2: of more money at a shorter term and still the guarantee.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say it's three years, but he gets a lot
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  Speaker 2: more on the average annual value like a Boba Schett gets.
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  Speaker 1: Or does he go with.
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  Speaker 2: The Bronx safe I mean one spot, I don't have
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  Speaker 2: to worry about anything else. They'll probably give him a
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  Speaker 2: no trade clause if he wants, and he doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: to deal with these opt out contracts because he has
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  Speaker 2: been a part of them in the past. He's made
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  Speaker 2: good money off of them. So just curious where you
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  Speaker 2: think he lands here.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's the Yankees. I think
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  Speaker 5: it's a Bronx. And I think the worst thing for
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  Speaker 5: the Yankees would be if the Mets would be getting
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  Speaker 5: in a bidding war with them and they said. The
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  Speaker 5: Yankees have come out and said, we're not going to
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  Speaker 5: get into bidding war. Our offer is our offer, and
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  Speaker 5: it's a very good offer. So you can't lose. You
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  Speaker 5: can't lose Juan Soto and Cody Bellinger in two back
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  Speaker 5: to back years. I just think I don't think other
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  Speaker 5: teams are gonna be willing to go the guaranteed amount
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  Speaker 5: that he's getting from the Yankees. Now somebody steps in
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  Speaker 5: and does that'd be great for Cody if to beat it,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the blue Jays have to beat the Yankees.
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  Speaker 5: The blue Jays have to beat the Yankees offer, in
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  Speaker 5: my opinion, for him to go to a place where
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  Speaker 5: he hasn't been yet. And it seems like all indications
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  Speaker 5: seem like he really.
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  Speaker 3: Liked playing in New York.
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  Speaker 5: But the biggest thing for me is the fact that
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  Speaker 5: I don't think there is I don't know any players
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  Speaker 5: that are like, it's fine, I'll just continue to go
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  Speaker 5: year for year. There was one guy who said I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to go year to year forever, and he signed
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  Speaker 5: a three year deal too. But like you can say
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  Speaker 5: all you want, I just think Cody's been through it
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  Speaker 5: so much that it seems like completely outsider's view and
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  Speaker 5: I completely co completely wrong. I don't know Cody at all,
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  Speaker 5: But it's time to not always be the guy that
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  Speaker 5: has to prove it. There's there's some semblance of it's
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  Speaker 5: a it's a free agent year. I got to prove
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  Speaker 5: it as a guy who always had to prove it
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  Speaker 5: in a different way, like I had to prove it
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  Speaker 5: to stay on a roster. That part can get it
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  Speaker 5: can get tiring, it can it can get like, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: I got it.
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  Speaker 3: It's got to be the next thing.
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  Speaker 5: And it's like instead of getting like in a groove
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  Speaker 5: that I think the Yankees deal is going to end
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  Speaker 5: up being the best deal for him, and I think
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  Speaker 5: that's what he wants in his career and he'll end
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  Speaker 5: his career as a Yankee.
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  Speaker 3: That guy who wanted one year deals, he's out of
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  Speaker 3: baseball now too. Just definitely, people who don't know you
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  Speaker 3: have to figure you have to figure out who that
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  Speaker 3: person is. Huh.
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  Speaker 1: You could say the name Voldemort, right, Voldemort.
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  Speaker 3: That will not be named.
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, I don't want to get I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to get sued. I'm not saying it now you might.
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  Speaker 4: That's so I didn't say it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care sue me.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, But maybe Bellinger the Yankees just is what it's like,
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  Speaker 4: it has to happen. It's like the one once when
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  Speaker 4: the Yankees traded for one Soda that offseason. It was
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  Speaker 4: it had to As soon as Ron Soda was put
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  Speaker 4: out there, everyone's like, he has to go to the Yankees,
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  Speaker 4: and it felt inevitable. Right, Well, that's what I feel like.
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  Speaker 4: This Bellinger to the Yankees feels like it feels inevitable
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  Speaker 4: because honestly, we've asked all the experts, Jim bow and
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  Speaker 4: Ken Rosenthal, every expert we have on and nobody can
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  Speaker 4: give us another team.
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  Speaker 1: Yes they can, well, I mean Mets in Blue Jays.
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  Speaker 4: But that we've actually heard as like the Yankees have said,
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  Speaker 4: here's our offer, this is what we're giving them, and
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  Speaker 4: the Blue Jays and the Mets. Yeah, but then the
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  Speaker 4: Mets go signed, but Shet the blue Jays do some
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  Speaker 4: other things.
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  Speaker 1: Well what though, see that's the X factor.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I just don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Again, I'm not skull boards. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That's my question.
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  Speaker 2: So going back to another CBA thing, owners and the
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  Speaker 2: league want as signing deadline, why because it was help
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  Speaker 2: controls pricing and then baseb for two more months would
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  Speaker 2: be what would were talking about today?
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  Speaker 4: What did Eric just say on here, wait, but this
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  Speaker 4: is when he goes you know, but listen, when he goes.
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  Speaker 3: Year to year, they put pressure on me. So I
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  Speaker 3: knew I had to perform. Can you imagine if there
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  Speaker 3: was a signing deadline on January second.
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  Speaker 4: How much pressure would be on the players and then
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  Speaker 4: teams would just sit back and go, We're just gonna
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  Speaker 4: offer every we your buddy one year five million, and
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  Speaker 4: people are gonna have.
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  Speaker 3: To take it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because you know what happened, because you know why,
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  Speaker 4: because they have to sign by a January second and
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  Speaker 4: they don't get to play this year.
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  Speaker 2: of me bringing this up is that, in addition to
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  Speaker 2: all of the reasons why why, players and even fans
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  Speaker 2: have listed that it would make sense. And I know
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  Speaker 2: there are some people that are like, oh, I just
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: want to see the signings happen. Already they do happen.
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  Speaker 2: They just trickle in. Owners change their minds. The Mets
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  Speaker 2: can say whatever they want about Bobashet. They were not
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  Speaker 2: super seriously into Bobashet until five seconds after they realized
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  Speaker 2: they weren't getting Kyle Tucker. I could make the same
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  Speaker 2: case for the Blue Jays and Cody Bellinger did we
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: hear them link to him, not much, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: I do think they're seriously involved in someone like Cody Bellinger. Right,
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  Speaker 2: they are losing outfielders after this coming season, and Belly's
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  Speaker 2: bat fits there. You know, They've created a really nice,
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  Speaker 2: versatile lineup that they think depth wise, is going to
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  Speaker 2: get them through the season. But one more piece really
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  Speaker 2: puts them over the top. In my mind, they're already
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  Speaker 2: I think the front runner in the American League East,
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  Speaker 2: but this would really be the icing on the cake.
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  Speaker 1: They were going for Kyle Tucker.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to cost them less on a per
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  Speaker 2: season basis for sure than Kyle Tucker. This crats is
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  Speaker 2: why I think teams slash owners and front offices change
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: their mind or get involved in things very late in
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  Speaker 2: an offseason. So if you take that away, then you
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: don't have that activity. Right if Bo had to signed
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  Speaker 2: by whatever date, then the Mets aren't in on Bo.
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  Speaker 2: So same concept here for the Blue Jays. All of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, he was more in like the here for
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  Speaker 2: them in terms of interest, and I think he jumps
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  Speaker 2: up and that's why it actually puts the Yankees in
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: a tougher spot for most of the off season. I
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: think the Yankees were like, we like you, we want you,
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  Speaker 2: we think we have the best offer slash kind of
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: know we have the best offer, and then all of
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: a sudden, other teams emerge late and go, this is
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  Speaker 2: the best guy available, and we didn't get someone in
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker who we really thought we had.
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  Speaker 1: A good chance at.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, that's why I think the market changes and
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: we could get surprised.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: The Blue Jays can easily beat the Yankees.
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: The one thing we've learned from these reports, unless they're
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: totally off, and I don't think they are, is that
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  Speaker 2: the Yankees are sticking to their offer. They feel like
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: they've offered him something nice, and I agree with them
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  Speaker 2: it is a nice offer. But that doesn't mean the
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  Speaker 2: Blue Jays can't swoop in and say, cool, your best
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  Speaker 2: offers five one sixty with some opt outs.
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  Speaker 1: We'll give you six one point eighty five with more
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  Speaker 1: opt outs.
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  Speaker 2: And then he goes up there and says, hey, you
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  Speaker 2: thought you were the only one dancing, but you're not.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, man, anytime you can have because situations change. Is
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: the biggest thing that you said, Scott, is the fact
• 11:03
  Speaker 5: that maybe the Blue Jays were like, oh, we made
• 11:06
  Speaker 5: a great offer to Kyle Tucker. No way he turns
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  Speaker 5: down ten years, three hundred and fifty million. Well that
• 11:14
  Speaker 5: was less than a week ago. Now you got to change.
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  Speaker 5: If we had a deadline, that deadline, that offer would
• 11:20
  Speaker 5: be made, he would sign, deadline would happen, and all
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  Speaker 5: of a sudden, the Blue Jays wouldn't have a team.
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  Speaker 5: So a deadline wouldn't help. Wouldn't help like you want to,
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't help the teams who want to win because they
• 11:32
  Speaker 5: want to put the best players out there. And maybe
• 11:34
  Speaker 5: that's why Cody's like, you know what, I won't need
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  Speaker 5: to make a decision. I'll just wait and see if
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  Speaker 5: the Blue Jays who just missed out on the guy
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  Speaker 5: who they thought was there one, I'll be there number
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  Speaker 5: two choice, and maybe that offer that they originally made
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  Speaker 5: goes up a little bit higher. It's a it's a
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  Speaker 5: great it's a great dance. It's a great like you know,
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  Speaker 5: back and forth.
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  Speaker 3: And I come in the Blue.
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  Speaker 5: Jays for being in on pretty much every top notch
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  Speaker 5: free agent this offseason, and I command the Yankees for
• 12:10
  Speaker 5: not getting anything done this offseason but sticking to their guns.
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  Speaker 5: On what they think is Cody Belly Cody Bellinger is worth.
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  Speaker 5: Because there's a lot of teams that are like, well,
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  Speaker 5: we'll do this, we'll do that. I know the Phillies,
• 12:24
  Speaker 5: they're like, hey, we're gonna give you market value. We're
• 12:28
  Speaker 5: gonna give you what you are worth. That's all fine
• 12:31
  Speaker 5: and dandy, as long as you're okay with not.
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  Speaker 3: Losing him, not losing that player.
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  Speaker 4: Here's my question, people that want to signing signing deadline. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: let's say the signing deadlines January first. Who got hurt
• 12:46
  Speaker 4: yesterday or two days ago? Has on Kim? There's no
• 12:50
  Speaker 4: sign you can't sign anybody.
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  Speaker 3: What do the Braves do? You have to make a trade.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not easy. Teams are so annoying about
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: what we're saying that.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't know what good does a signing deadline do.
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  Speaker 4: If you that's your free agent, you sign him to
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: a free agent deal and he gets hurt after the
• 13:07
  Speaker 4: free or after the free agent deadline, what happens to
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: the guys who are after the free agent that I
• 13:12
  Speaker 4: have take the year off, They have to sign a
• 13:14
  Speaker 4: minor league deal, they have to sign what banana ball?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: Do you see like this is one of the because okay,
• 13:20
  Speaker 4: I'll say this, like, use I'll use Justin Verlander, Right,
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  Speaker 4: I said, I saw him the other day and when
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: we talked to Ken, what he's waiting on somebody possibly
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  Speaker 4: to get hurt. He doesn't want anyone to get hurt.
• 13:29
  Speaker 4: But let's say whoever, Like, I'll use Garrett Cole for example.
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  Speaker 4: He got hurt in spring training last year.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: If someone like that gets hurt for the Yankees this year,
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: gets who they're gonna call? Justin Verlander? Hey, Justin, could
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: you be ready in three weeks to pitch in May
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  Speaker 4: for us? Absolutely? Guys, Okay, boom, here you go. Here's
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: your one year whatever it is, ten, twelve, fifteen, whatever
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  Speaker 4: they come to terms with.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Pitchers should wait. Sometimes it hurts them. It hurts
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: many of them because they're not necessarily ready in spring training,
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: but we have so many arm injuries that it does
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: often benefit both sides to wait. Sometimes a team doesn't
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: have an opening, all of a sudden, they have an opening.
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  Speaker 2: We oh my gosh, every time spring training starts up
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: and we get the TJ's, the TJ rush in the
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  Speaker 2: first ten days this guy needs.
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: Once game start. They ran pp start. Oh yeah, that
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  Speaker 3: was everybody.
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  Speaker 5: I have one comment if you want to if you
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  Speaker 5: want to suffice the fans who are saying, well, I want.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: To know where they're going to go. Yeah, we all
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: want to know. But that's the exciting part of it.
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  Speaker 5: If you want to, if you want to have a
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: deadline I would be in favor of a trade deadline
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: in the offseason. Your trades don't get done, then you
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: have to move on. You can't.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: You can't trade to Freddy Parolta.
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: Now that could be a player's point of view, because
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: I think the ability to have somebody like if Trek
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: Scuba was out there, Freddy Peralta, who's a number one
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: like out there on the market. It's hurting Framber Valdez's
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: market may have even been hurting a little bit Rangers market. Well,
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: now Rangers signed, and the fact that they're under contracts
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: that are not negotiated in the free market like free agents,
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: teams view them as more valuable because free agents are
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: going to cost you more millions for more years. So
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: I'd be up for a trade deadline ending January tenth,
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: give a little bit of time after Christmas, no more
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: trades after January tenth. Then every team's like, okay, well,
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: we can't do any trades anymore.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: We got to go after the guys who are left.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: But when does the trade deadline en spring training starts?
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: That that that doesn't make any sense either, because okayns
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: January tenth, and then the first day of spring training,
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: you're allowed to trade because guys have opt outs, guys
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: that are out of options, guys have all so opening day, yeah,
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: April first, okay, so then what about the guys that
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: don't have options. They get traded at the end of
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: spring training because they they're out of options and they're like, oh,
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: we'll put We'll trade them to another team for an
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: a ball kid or something right like, that doesn't make
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: any Why do we want to put why do we
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: want to put trade deadline? Because also, hass On Kim
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: gets hurt. Yes, look at the list of free agent shortstops.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: I can't find it.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: I kf and Tim Anderson are on the MLB list. Okay,
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: so then they're not allowed to trade because he got hurt.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: After that, it's dumb.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, this is we don't need deadlines. You know
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: what the deadline is when opening day hits most of
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: the time.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Right, because then you're rolling or about it.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: It's usually about a week before opening day because they
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: want to get guys there before.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: But I remember the Braves.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: When I was on the Braves, we traded kick Craig
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: Kimberle like the day before opening day and we got
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: Camera Mayven and I forget who else we got from
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: the podres, but they traded him literally like the day
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: before the season started. We're breaking camp and also like
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: kim well got traded. Wait what didn't the season start tomorrow?
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Something crazy like that, right, So I don't know how
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: you can't have deadlines, No, especially in the off season.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: You can't have deadlines for baseball because it plays out
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: too much.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: They want their winter meetings to be bigger. So I
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: was like, maybe you do a trade deadline for a month,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: so I at least stop that for a little And
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: you say, hey, last day of winter meetings is when
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: you can make a trade for a little bit.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. It's it's complicated.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Let's charge about Yeah, let's charge a mound and let's
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: talk about tire schooble first, So Evan Petzold, who covers
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: the Tigers on a daily basis, said Scott Boris says
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: he remains open to negotiating Schoobl's salary with the Tigers
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: before an arbitration hearing, using current comparable contracts, not outdated
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: benchmarks like David Price's nineteen point seventy five million in
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Quote from Boris, we are open to negotiate. It's funny, Krat.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: You've probably seen this because you've got kids for this age,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: but the twenty sixteen thing has been a thing over
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: the past week or two. No, you haven't seen this
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: where people are posting like, oh, here's what I was
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: doing in twenty sixteen.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: No, seen it.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, maybe it's maybe it's with my age group.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: But everyone's like, this is the common post.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: I'm doing it.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: You saw it, right, it's Oliver. But I love this.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: They go, well, since everyone's doing it, I have to.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: That's like when the influencers go, I know, you're all
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: asking me about my skincare routine, and it's like, are
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: they or.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Do they care less about the twenty sixteen trend or
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: the Beckham thing that's happening.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Have you seen that that's we don't have time to
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: get into all that.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: But wow, I mean, I don't know that I've seen that.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: David Beckham and his son and his wife. It's a
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: whole trust me. I got the whole run down this
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: morning on it.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: There is nothing more boring than a bad social media trend.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: So anyway, I don't care what you're doing in twenty sixteen,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: but in twenty fifteen, I do care that we're trying
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: to use the comp from back then. So anyway, Boris
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: took his little slight shot. Did you learn anything from
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: this quote? Do you think that there will be some
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: type of an agreement that goes down before we get
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: to the arbitration hearing? Or does the league which is
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: paired up with the Tigers on this one? Right, the
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Labor Relations Board is working with them, so they have
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: a huge say. Do they feel like it's not worth
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: giving in and saying to Boris, all right, we're gonna
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: push this to twenty six, twenty seven to twenty eight
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: plus when the previous number is nineteen point seventy five.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: It just depends on how far the Major League Baseball
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: wants to dig their feet in this isn't a Tigers
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: versus Scoobale thing. So any fans who are like, oh,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: he's gonna be pissed off at the Tiger, this is
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: a Major League Baseball versus essentially the players Association or
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: the future of every really good pitcher that reaches arbitration
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: and has won. Cy Young's I mean, Terry scoubl Is
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: sitting there going, Paul Skeens, I'm just kind of trying
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: to help you out here. But it's a landmark arbitration case.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: They're sitting there going, Okay. Scott Boris has done nothing
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: in his career more than growing the salaries for the
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: next player. He has always has it. Has it looked
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: Has it looked smooth to fans? No, it hasn't. Has
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: he done the best for his clients and his future
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: clients clients Enter Price still in high school right now
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: that he doesn't even know he has yet the next superstar.
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: Trek Scouble is the next superstar. So he's trying to
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: push that level of where the arbitration process is behind.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: And if landmark players like Tarrek Scuble, like Juan Soto
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: a few years ago, don't push this number, then major
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: League Baseball wins in if we're looking at arbitration as
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: a case of winning and losing, and Major League Baseball
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: looks at it as if we don't win this, this
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: is gonna be I'm not gonna say catastrophic, but this
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: really moves the needle. Do you have to do incredible things? Yeah,
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: you got to win back to back Cy Young's. You
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: have to be the best pitcher in your respective league. Well,
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: they don't have to look too far over to the
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: National League and say.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: We don't do this. What could Paul Schemes get?
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: So Major League Baseball is going to dig their feet in.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: And I don't think there's a number that Scott Boris
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: says is fair that Major League Baseball also says is fair.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: I think Major League Baseball knows that nineteen million is
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: definitely well short of where they should be, and I
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: think Scott Boris thinks thirty two million is a little
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: bit over where they should be. But I don't think
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: I don't think that happy medium is going to be
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: a happy medium. I think it truly is a landmark
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: case that if Boris continues down the path that he's
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: always been, I think they win this case. I think
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: they win it because of the fact that it's so
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: dated back to twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen of where that
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: quote price should be for him for Scooble.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Okay, well, there's a couple of things on this one.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: The fact that we're using twenty sixteen is crazy. Okay.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Look at the way that salaries have gone up twenty fifteen. Sorry,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: the way salaries have gone up. Okay, But it was
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: his twenty sixteen salary that they went, right, wasn't it.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: I think twenty salary just over ten years ago. Yeah, okay,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: so it's crazy. Also, Boris has a couple of things. One,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: they can because he's in his sixth year, they can
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: use free agent contracts and that is a huge help
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: to Trek's school. Well, especially when young guys like Verlander
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: and Schuzer have signed like one year deals for thirty
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: forty million, these short term deals. Guess what that helps
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: the player in these negotiations. Now, MLB of course wants
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: to go low. I don't think that they thought that
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: that Boris was gonna go this big. I thought they
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: were like, oh, we'll go nineteen, Boris will go twenty five, right,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: But he went thirty two. So now there was a
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: monster gap in between here the middles twenty five and
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: a half. So Boris is probably like, hey, you get
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: to twenty eight, I will think about it. But that
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: would be such a huge jump for the league to
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: go from nineteen to twenty eight, because then as soon
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: as if they say yes to twenty eight, then once
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Skens gets to this spot or someone else down the road,
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: they're gonna be like, well, five years ago, Terrek School,
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: we got twenty eight. I have a Rookie of the Year,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: maybe two or three Cy Youngs, this or that. I
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: should be thirty five, right, depending on how you know.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Everything goes with salaries. So that's why MLB's fighting so
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: hard for this now. The other thing is there's also
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: a third component in play here. The owners hate arbitration, okay,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: because they don't want arbitrary. They've had one arbitration since
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: the player's got arbitration, Marvin Miller back how many ever
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: years ago, right, So if they can prove that Trek
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: School is not worth more than David Price was in
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, that's another chip they can put on their
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: negotiating table and say, look, guys, your best pitcher he
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: got screwed in arbitration. We don't like arbitration, maybe you
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: guys shouldn't like arbitration either, and they can try and
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: get rid of it. They could use that in the
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: CBA and say, one of your best players on the field,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: could you know you got what a guy fifteen, you know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: almost twelve years ago less than what he got right,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: And they can and then the Players Association is going
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: to go, well, you know, maybe we should look at
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: changing this. So again, there's a third thing in play.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: And I know the overriding factor in all Major League
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Baseball right now. It's just damn CBA. And I'm already
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: tired of talking about it. I got we got like
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: twelve more months to talk about it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: It's a factor in everything that happens right now. But
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: also here's another factor. The arbitration panel, unless stuff has changed,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: is three humans, right, three humans, and they make their
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: case to each other on where they're going to vote. Right,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: So even if you get one one side one the other,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: there's going to be someone that splits this up. Every
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: once in a while there's a case where it seems
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: obvious that one side's going to win and the other
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: side wins. Why Because these people are not the most
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: educated on baseball and they want it to be that
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: way for some reason.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, they want it because.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: They're not supposed to be influenced whether they're like have
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: a team or whether they have something going on, right,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: so they never they don't want that. And again, is
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: someone that's been through this problem. I've been in this process.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I've been in this room. I've been through this whole thing.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: They don't tell you why you won. They don't tell
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: you why you won. They don't tell you what the
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: number was they came to a conclusion on. They just
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: give you a U win or you w. And there's
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: no explanation. This isn't like a law case right where
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: the law after the lawyer, the judge makes a decision,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: then they write like a thing explaining why they made
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: this decision or why they're doing this, or like the
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Supreme Court will we voted this way because of this
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: case back one hundred years ago, whatever it was. They
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: just say, hey, Scooba one the tigers. There is no explanation.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: It's a you get one phone call from your age,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: they call the union, They call the owners, and the
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: union calls you or your agent. They say you won,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: you lost, and there's that's it. It's over and that's
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: what you get. But there's no explanation, there's nothing.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: The problem with that is these people want to keep
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: their jobs, and this is the biggest case of all time.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: So I do think they're going to be weighing which
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: side holds more influence in them keeping their jobs. They're
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: human beings, that's a part of it.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: They get compensated nicely to be able to handle this,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: So they get a nice.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Vacation for two weeks in Arizona or Florida, depending on
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: this year, it's in Arizona, so they get a nice
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: little vacation.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: There are factors at play.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know one of those movies where both
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: sides are trying to pick the jury and it gets
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: all crazy.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Remember that one movie.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: It was like you who is it, Gene Hackman, I
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: don't know, you know what I'm talking about. It's like
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: that where they're like figuring out is this person going
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: to be for us or against us? And obviously these
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: people have their jobs on the line if they get
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: fired for it, right, I mean, I'm saying if they
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: picked the wrong side, and then the other side's going
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: to try and fire them. All right, let's talk Hall
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: of Fame. Today's the day. The announcement is going to
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: come around six. I think that's when the show starts.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: You'll probably get the announcement at like six forty five
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: or something. That's TV for you. They keep you there,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: they give you the commercials. But anyway, eventually we'll find out.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: You go through all one hundred candidates on the list
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: and explain why each one should be in the Hall
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: of Fame.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Yep, they do the whole song and dance, or you
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: can just check Twitter later on. But anyway, yeah, it'll
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: probably be close to seven people. No, it's a good show.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: It's worth while and you get to hear from some
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: of the guys. But anyway, many people are going to
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: be watching this our show and listening to our show,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and we already have an answer. So what do you
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: think of Beltron probably getting in and Andrew Jones.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: And Andrews last year. No, so he's got one more right.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: But what I've been doing.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Is that if he doesn't get in this year, he's
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: a lock next year, which is I think.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Just because and this is not knocking to any of
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: the guys on the ballot, because you can say, oh,
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: you know, you didn't get any of that.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I was on a ballot. I got two votes.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: So before there's just not a surefire first ballot Hall
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: of Famer of the new guys that were added this year.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: So that's how when they say, oh, guys give big
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: bumps and jumps and all this, it's because there's certain
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: people that are taking off the ballot bonds Clemens. Those
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: guys are now gone, and then the new group comes
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: in and there is not a lot of sure fire
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Hall of Famer. I don't know if there's a there's
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: definitely not a first ballot Hall of Famer on this
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: new list. But I don't know there's a sure fire
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: Hall of Famer on this new ballot of list of guys.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: So you'll see a bump for oddly Rawlins, Felix, Andrew Jones,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: these guys, right, hopefully Burley Tory Hunter will get some bumps. Right,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: it looked like Andrew Jones was a lock, but then
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: they always say, well, if he's at seventy percent or whatever,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: eighty percent, then that falls because the people who don't
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: release their ballots it's not always, not always the number
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: that usually come in lower than what the people that
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: release them. So I'm pretty sure Beltron's going to get
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: in well deserved, and I'm pretty sure that Andrew Jones
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: is going to get in US, if not this year
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: then next year.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: So well deserved.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Man, I mean, it's it's awesome, what an amazing achievement,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: especially for those guys. And listen, if Andrew Jones gets
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: in from you know, Cirasol and down there, that's a
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: big thing for that island down there.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I've been on the Andrew Jones train for a while
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: now because I think he's getting punished for the late
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: stages of his career. But I think he had enough
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: of a prime window, especially now with the way that
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: boating's going down, and I'm fine with it. We just
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: had this conversation on a different segment. The voting process
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: has to change because you're not going to hit some
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: of those milestone numbers and Andrew Jones actually put up,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: like some of the counting stats are looking for, say
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: home runs.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Ye, he's the.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Best defensive center fielder, if not top three, of a
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: long period of time right of an era. One of
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: the best all time, the whole deal, like you had that,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: and he wasn't a nothing on offense. He was a
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: very impactful offensive player for a good chunk of time,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: and then he went through something that's natural, it's called
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: the aging process, but he still played for a bit
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: and that hurt his rate stats. So I think that
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: the crowd has been off on him for a while now,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: and it appears as if it'll finally fix itself, either
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: this year or next year. I was also surprised to
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: see Beltron, I forgot, has already been on the ballot
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: for several years. I think this is his fourth run
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: at this point. But anyway, overall thoughts from your crats.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think Beltron's the best switch hitter that
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: I ever saw alive. I mean, I saw Chip Jones
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: at the end of his career. I saw Beltro Beltron
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: a little bit closer to you know, a little bit
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: more closer to his prime because I think they played
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: like three or four more years after after Chipper Jones.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: But those two guys, and I think, you know, I
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: think it's a he was probably one of the more
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: underrated players because he was in k C and nobody
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: really knew about him until he burst on the scene
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: in Houston. I think Andrew Jones, like obviously it's Hall
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: of Fame voting time and everything. Some of the stats
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: that are coming out there about his about his defense,
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: and like different guys that you would respect what they
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: said about the fact that I think Bobby Cox was
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: the one that said he's the second best altfaer he's
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: ever seen, behind Willie Mays. I just think it's I
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: think it's something. I hope both of them get in
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: and the whole like waiting the whole wait another year.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: I think that would suck for Andrew, So I hope
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: he gets in this year. I hope he gets in
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: the skin of his teeth.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: By the way, if Andrew does get in, which I
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: hope he does, again, I fought this fight Tory Hunter
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: and Jim Edmonds, he's not even on the ballot need
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: to be looked down more closely. I mean, Jim only
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: had eight gold gloves, but he's got you know, ops
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: plus a one to thirty two.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Andrew Jones ops plus is one eleven. I mean that's better, though.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: That's what do you think is hurting? Okay, what do
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: you think is Torris.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Okay, but Tory Hunter. I'm gonna just this is just
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Tory Hunter. We get Jim Vans, and obviously I have
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: a special place in my heart for Tory. We've played
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: together from the minor leagues all the way up. Gold
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Gloves nine Andrew Jones ten. So nine years in a row,
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Tory Hunter won the AO Gold Glove. Andrew Jones did
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: it ten years in a row. Tory Hunter two Silver Sluggers.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: Andrew Jones won either won a World Series, five All
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Star Games. Andrew Jones in two thousand and five did
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: win RBI total and a home run title. Okay, fine,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: more games for Tory bet thirty three point higher batting
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: average for Tory. Now he's eighty home runs behind, so
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: that's fine. But more RBI's five hundred more hits, almost
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: one hundred more runs, almost over one hundred more doubles,
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: more triples, less strikeouts.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: I got plugging for Center's.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Almost closed on base, almost close ops plus one eleven
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: to one, ten war sixty two point eight to fifty.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: That's the big one.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: That Okay, but if you look at the stats, play
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: should but explain to me how Andrew Jones has sixty
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: two point eight war and Tory Hunter has fifty war?
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: So was there twelve point eight war in that one?
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Gold extra gold gloved Andrew one. That's what I don't understand,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: because if you if I line their numbers up next
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: to each other, other than the home runs, okay, Tory
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: has them in almost every other category. So why is
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Andrew like, oh that Andrew Jones asking I watched Tory
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Hunter for a long time. He was the best center
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: fielder I ever saw on a daily basis, Jones, I
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: didn't see Andrew Jones on a daily base I saw
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Tory Hunter play every day in centerfield.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: I was catching.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: I'm watching him play centerfield for year after year. This
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: dude was making catches and I never saw anybody come
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: close to.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: Making Why do you think he's being held back. I
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: don't think that's being held back because he's They're both
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: great dudes. They're very I don't know, they're very affeable.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: They've always been that guy. There's no controversy around him.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: To me, there has to be a reason. I don't
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: think somebody just looks up and goes Tory Hunter. Yeah,
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: I thought he was a good player, But what was
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: his war? No sorry, never mind, Like you're talking about
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: a dude that has over three hundred home runs and
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: has nine gold gloves. Like to me, that takes that
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: takes effort then to go, okay, I have to I
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: have to rethink this.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I think some guys are getting punished for playing for
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: a long period of time from rat stats, so like
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: you can't figure out it's like, okay, so you played
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: too long or you didn't play long enough.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. I just I think they both
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: should be in.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Jason Stark, who we have on the show often and
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: is looked at as one of the games history, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: voted for Tory Hunter this year.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know anyways, that's just my that's my soapbox.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: I'm on this year because I love Andrew. I played
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: with Andrew, I played with Tory. I think I think
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: it's kind of like if this guy gets in and
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: this guy has for me, It's like Andy Pettitt and
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Mark Burley. If Andy Pettit gets in, the Mark Burley
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: has to be in right behind him because if you
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: look at their numbers and.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: What now Pettitt.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: The one thing Pettitt had, though, was he had the
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: postseason because he was on the Yankee so he got
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: the postseason, so everybody knew him a little bit more.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Right, That's kind of what happened with Andrew Jones.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: And everyone goes, well, look at Andrew Jones, is like
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: those ten years when he was winning gold gloves. Okay, Well,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Tory Hunter had nine really unbelievable years too, and he
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: won those gold gloves, right, so he play longer. And
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: then we go like, we'll use Joe Maller an example.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Everyone's like, well, the six years Joe Maher caught, he
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: was so great, first ballot Hall of Famer, right, Well,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: I mean if you pick anybody's six best years, if
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: they play long enough, you can make argument that a
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: lot of guys are Hall of Famers.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: So I don't know it. It's this is why the
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame is still polarizing.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really tough to find center fielders that did
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: it all right.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: We still have problems with that.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: I mean Jim Edmonds still look at Jim NaN's numbers
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: and he won eight Gold Gloves, right, I mean he
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: wants he won championship. I mean there's there's you know,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Kenny Lofton is another one that's an interesting case. And
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: if as the numbers in the in the perspective changes,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: it just opens it up to more arguments.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: Do you feel like it's because Do you feel like
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: it's because Tory started his career a little bit later?
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: I mean by the time Tory was an everyday guy
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: cares then? I mean Andrew Jones was already in his
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: what fifth season?
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Do you think it? Who cares when you start? Yeah,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Listen, Tory was a slower developer. He was gonna quit
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: and go play football. I mean, listen, I was there
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: for all that stuff. But toy, we've had him on
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: many times. He's one of the best dudes in the world.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: And so for people to say, well, you can't do
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: you want to what do you want to?
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Check?
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: His personality? He was awesome, right, He played all the time.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: He never won, but he was on winners. Andrew Jones
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: never won a World Series to him, but he never
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: won him. He didn't win the one on the ninety
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: five team. Really, Oh, he was later than that.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: He was he came up in ninety six, so he
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: never won and he went on the ninety five team, right.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's a song ninety eight Braves, you know,
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: got out done by that Padre magic Morgan Wallen, Right, yep,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: he was on that dam the Jones Boys. But I
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: don't know, it's just I don't know. We could argue
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: about this until we're blue in the face.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're both great. I'm just going through stats and
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: all that they both have my vote. That's all we
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: have time for now. But we can do any aftermath. Yeah,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: we're gonna slap in a sec. We can do any
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: aftermath on what we end up seeing with who gets in.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: But also I want us to do it today. Maybe
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: we'll do tomorrow in case there are any other stray
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: single vote getters.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about that.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: It's just a that's a fun show topic for a
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: few minutes. But anyway, let's lap. We're looking at case
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: case studies.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: With Yeah, I'm looking at another team, Burley versus pettit
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: and I'm showing like it's tight. It's there's so much
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: you can put this and that It's like, Okay, so
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: Petti gets in because he had more postseason, but that's
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: not Burley's fault that we weren't as good as the
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Yankees were for all, you know, So That's why I
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: have a hard time when listen when Burley pitched in
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: the postseason, he pitched well. He closed the game out
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: drunk one time. So anyways, whatever I see drunk stats
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: for each player. Yeah, I bet, I bet a birth
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: won wins. I can name you some other guys that
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: did some stuff too.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be a fun segment.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Anyone want that last thing today besides Kratz hat, Let's
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: do that and then I'll load this up.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: I really found my Minnesota Twins hat, and I'm not
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: sure they found the off season yet. So I feel
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: like if somebody needs a really good defensive outfielder that
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: also for power, Twins could make a huge splash by
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: trading someone who doesn't want to be traded in Byron Buxton.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Except you will at the trade deadline when they're terrible.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: They signed Victor Caratini, which is nice. I didn't even
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: know that was the fit they needed. Because they have
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Brian Jeffers, maybe they're going to trade him. I can't eat.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get mad. It's only Tuesday Rangers Fest,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: so they're not doing signings at the winter warm up appearances.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to do signings at the fan fest.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: But they're doing like their little stop by situation. It's
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: a long tweet. So they're saying that the autograph memorabilia
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: seekers that hagub all the time and they bring a
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: billion things are causing lines to get longer and other
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: fans to miss out on stuff. So there's back and
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: forth discussion on what that is. Can you also just
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: limit someone or if someone goes up there and be like, hey, dude,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: you get one signature?
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're supposed to do that, but then the problem
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: with that is Kratz knows, is if someone comes up
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: to you with five and then you're like, okay, I'm
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: only supposed to sign one. Then the guy's like, oh
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: but I waited in line for an hour, and then
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: there's the security guard there that you know, and then
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: it makes you feel bad.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: So you just are like, I just sign them real
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: quick and get them the heck out of here.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: What about one signature per person?
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: And you look yes, and then they say, but I
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: have two kids.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: But they're saying I have two kids, no signatures, two kids?
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: They can share it, okay, teach them sharing.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: I'm not again, I'm not about taking away from the fans,
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: like I love the fan experience the autograph. These events
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: get crushed by the autograph seekers. One autograph, these guys
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: will do it, will well, they'll do it. They'll put
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: on another jacket, they bring changes of clothes to get
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: back through the same line again. So it's it really
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: has gotten watered down for the people that the autographs
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: would matter. And I promise you, coming from a player,
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: we want to sign the autographs for the kids, for
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: the people who they're like, oh my gosh, I don't
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: even know who you are, our crats, but thank you
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: for signing it. Like that means a lot to the players,
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: not the dude that comes with the binder and is.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Like I've just got six, can you just do six?
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: And that's for me. Like the guys who are really
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: who are actually good players, they get crushed by stuff, crushed.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: And then they pay the kids to get the rest
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: of them. I mean, that's a real thing I've heard. Yeah,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: well I'll say this.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: We had a thing, we had our twentieth anniversary with
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: the White Sox issue, right and they came and said, hey,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: we want to do autograph stations for all the players,
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: and I said, well, do we get paid, because normally
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: when I do sign autographs, I get paid. And they're like, no,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: this is just for the fans. I'm like, well, the
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: fans have to pay to stay in line and they
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: were like yeah. And I'm like, I'm not signing.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: And they said why not? And I said, well, where's
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: the money going. They're like, well, really, give me an answer.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: And I was like, well, if the players aren't getting paid,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: how about we I go, how about this, We'll just
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: do pictures.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll do pictures like this.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: And you know what, it's actually kind of cool because
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: everyone comes up, they're happy to see you, and they're like.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Hey, smile, they have a story for you. Right. Justin
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Blasco is in the chat all the time.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: He came up and man, I think it was Paul,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: me and Jermaine and we were signing, and people could
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: go from one stage to the other and get their
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: picture with whoever their favorite players, and you had time
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: to make too write. It was cool because you actually
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: get to talk to the people and shake their hand
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: and meet them, as opposed to you're just looking down.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: You're like, right, I'm a picture over autographing because it's
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: more of.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: A personal experience than just the autograph line. I'm sorry
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: it is. And even for the players it's cool because
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: then the guy, the man or woman who ever comes
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: up to he says.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Hey man, this is my favorite you're my favorite player.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: This is the memory I have or this is what
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: I and you're like, this is ridiculous, this is awesome.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: It's like excepting when you.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Get done, you're you're like, oh, I need hand sanitiz
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: or I gotta wash my hands like five times, because
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: you know, shaking everyone's hand and my hands get dirty.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Their hands are dirty, gets tiring.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: But that's just so many no, I said, I'm saying it.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: That's not fun physically either.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: So this was fun. Thanks everyone.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Oh tomorrow, JJ Cooper, big day for Baseball America.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about it tomorrow.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Cedric Mullins need Tampa Bay Ray outfielder and Derek Johnson
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: to talk pitching as well as anybody in the game.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Good guest list tomorrow. We'll see you then. And remember Saturday,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: we have a show. Baseball Writers Association of America Awards
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: will be streaming live