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  Speaker 1: On Chris Hansen right now on Crimewatch Daily. From here
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  Speaker 1: in New York, a.
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  Speaker 2: Wealthy New York businessman ambushed in his home and shot
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  Speaker 2: in the face.
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  Speaker 3: His face was obliterator the shooter.
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  Speaker 1: It's his own flesh and blood.
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  Speaker 4: He appeared to be the perfect kid, his.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty year old ivy league song.
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  Speaker 4: We had the defendant saying I had to do it,
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  Speaker 4: I did it.
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  Speaker 2: Detectives have their confession, But did he really.
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  Speaker 1: Pull the trigger?
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  Speaker 5: Do you think Charlie Tan actually committed this shading?
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  Speaker 1: His prints aren't on the gun.
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  Speaker 6: You've got three separate DNAs on this's none of which
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  Speaker 6: belonged to him.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't buy the gun. And there's someone else with
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  Speaker 1: impossible quoted for.
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  Speaker 6: Mur There's far more evidence. Let's suggest she did it.
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  Speaker 2: Michel Sagona has the explosive ending and why the judge
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  Speaker 2: threatened to send the prosecutor to prison.
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  Speaker 7: It was shocking and it continues to be shocking.
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  Speaker 2: Then new details on the missing Tennessee team allegedly kidnapped
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  Speaker 2: by her arm t.
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  Speaker 8: Is a please come home, get away from him?
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  Speaker 2: Are they secret lovers who ran off to elow the
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  Speaker 2: new social media clues The last photo before they vanished,
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  Speaker 2: the teacher's wife begging him to come to his senses.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, this is not you, This is not who you
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  Speaker 5: are right now.
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  Speaker 4: Andrea isisen Ser with Crimewatch Daily.
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  Speaker 7: Jason Matara a Crime Watch Barry.
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  Speaker 9: This, I'm Elizabeth.
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  Speaker 10: I'm here with Crimewatch and Michelle from Crime Watch Daily.
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  Speaker 5: Anagarcia from Crime Watch is crime Watch Dale off.
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  Speaker 11: We'll find you again.
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  Speaker 12: We always there.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome to Crime Watch Daily. Everyone. I'm Chris Hansen.
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  Speaker 1: First up today.
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  Speaker 2: Charlie tan is every family's dream child, a star student
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  Speaker 2: at an ivy League school and a gifted athlete. However,
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  Speaker 2: prosecutors say he's also something else, an accused murderer. Michelle
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  Speaker 2: Sagona is here with Charlie's controversial case.
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  Speaker 10: Chris.
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  Speaker 5: It all starts with the shooting death inside of New
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  Speaker 5: York home right here in this neighborhood. Who the body
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  Speaker 5: of a wealthy businessman, Jim Tann is found lying on
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  Speaker 5: the floor of his study, disfigured almost beyond recognition.
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  Speaker 4: It was a shockum blast of the face.
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  Speaker 3: His face was obliterated while he was still alive.
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  Speaker 7: It looked like an assassination or an execution.
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  Speaker 5: And Tan's ivy league son Charlie, stunningly confesses that the
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  Speaker 5: scene of the gruesome crime, saying.
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  Speaker 7: I did it. I had to do it. He was
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  Speaker 7: going to kill my mother.
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  Speaker 5: But conflicting evidence fuels suspicions that Charlie may have actually
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  Speaker 5: been trying to save his mother Jane, from something else,
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  Speaker 5: a murder rap.
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  Speaker 6: There's far more evidence to support the fact that she
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  Speaker 6: did it than Charlie did it.
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  Speaker 5: The bloody killing of Jim Tann is a who done
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  Speaker 5: it like few before that dominated the headlines of our
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  Speaker 5: Rochester of affiliate, Wham.
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  Speaker 13: Who killed Jim Tan?
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  Speaker 10: Have you ever seen anything like this?
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  Speaker 14: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 7: It was shocking and it continues to be shocking.
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  Speaker 5: Murders like this don't happen too often anywhere, and certainly
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  Speaker 5: never in.
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  Speaker 6: Pittsford, probably the most affluent community we have here in
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  Speaker 6: the Rochester area.
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  Speaker 5: We're Chinese immigrants. Jim Tan forty nine, wife Jean, and
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  Speaker 5: youngest son Charlie twenty are living the American dream in
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  Speaker 5: a beautiful home.
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  Speaker 15: The Tans, by all accounts, were a family that had
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  Speaker 15: had it.
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  Speaker 5: All thanks to Jim's remarkable success in business.
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  Speaker 10: Who was he?
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  Speaker 7: He was the owner of Dynamac's Imaging. It's an optic
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  Speaker 7: digital optics company. They make digital sensors for camera's phones.
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  Speaker 7: That kind of thing was a business that did well.
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  Speaker 5: And John Hann, a local newspaper man who's covered the
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  Speaker 5: Tan murder case from day one, says success was running
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  Speaker 5: in the family, with son Charlie already far exceeding his
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  Speaker 5: parents' high hopes for him.
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  Speaker 7: Charlie was a super star kid, president of a student
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  Speaker 7: class at one of the top schools in the state.
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  Speaker 15: Well liked in school, did well in school, did well athletically.
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  Speaker 5: So well that Charlie had gone on to become an
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  Speaker 5: Ivy leaguer at the prestigious Cornell University in Ithaca, where
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  Speaker 5: the sophomore was continuing his academic success and further showing
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  Speaker 5: off his athletic prowess on the football team.
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  Speaker 6: Charlie's a very accomplished young man. He was very well
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  Speaker 6: thought of and certainly was an overachiever. As it related
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  Speaker 6: to grades, is it related to sports, is it related
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  Speaker 6: to everything?
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  Speaker 5: He was also popular.
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  Speaker 4: He was much loved by all his friends. He appeared
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  Speaker 4: to be the perfect kid.
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  Speaker 5: But behind Charlie's affable demeanor and broad smile. There lay
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  Speaker 5: some painful family secrets.
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  Speaker 14: We know there was distress in the household.
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  Speaker 5: And it was about to be exposed with the squeeze
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  Speaker 5: of a trigger.
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  Speaker 7: A lot of what people came to find out about
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  Speaker 7: that home was shocking because they didn't know what was
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  Speaker 7: really going on.
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  Speaker 5: James Noble says Jim and Jean Tan had reportedly been
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  Speaker 5: having violent arguments.
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  Speaker 6: There was definitely a long standing history of domestic violence
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  Speaker 6: in the house.
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  Speaker 5: Gene is said to have frequently shown signs of being
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  Speaker 5: physically abused.
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  Speaker 14: One day, she's fine and she's well. On the next day,
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  Speaker 14: she has an injury. Her knee is bandaged, ure, she's
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  Speaker 14: got a you know, a bandage on her head or
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  Speaker 14: something like that. I bumped my head, you know, the
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  Speaker 14: classic cliche excuses of a battered woman.
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  Speaker 5: The police have been called to the Tan home more
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  Speaker 5: than a dozen times over the years, and just weeks
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  Speaker 5: before her husband would be found murdered and apparently terrified,
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  Speaker 5: Jeane had called nine to one one again, are you injured?
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  Speaker 16: Yes, they choke me and I'm scart to no, please come.
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  Speaker 4: She was being assaulted or abused by her husband.
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  Speaker 5: Chimp who gets on the phone to deny it. Hello, okay, sorry, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: so this is no charges would be filed. But Copps
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  Speaker 5: had left Jean this card directing her to help for
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  Speaker 5: domestic violence.
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  Speaker 7: My understanding is that she had started an order of
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  Speaker 7: protection against her husband, but that she never followed through, and.
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  Speaker 5: Her son's defense attorney say Jean also saw a divorce
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  Speaker 5: lawyer shortly after.
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  Speaker 14: So clearly she was starting to look for some help.
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  Speaker 5: Then just a week later, something happens that since Charlie
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  Speaker 5: Scourrie back to his parents' home from his dorm at Cornell,
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  Speaker 5: where he reportedly told his football coach.
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  Speaker 7: Told him coach, I won't be here for weightlifting tomorrow,
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  Speaker 7: and his coach said, you know what's wrong? He said,
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  Speaker 7: I got some things I gotta do, and you know,
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  Speaker 7: get home.
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  Speaker 5: But nobody knows for sure what the emergency was.
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  Speaker 4: We've speculated and assumed that there was some communication between
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  Speaker 4: Charlie and his mother which caused him at that point
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  Speaker 4: to pack up his belongings and come home and assist
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  Speaker 4: her in some way.
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  Speaker 5: Next, surveillance cameras catch someone buying the murder weapon, but
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  Speaker 5: it's not Charlie.
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  Speaker 10: Do you think Charlie Tan actually committed this.
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  Speaker 2: Shooting behind the closed doors of this New York home,
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  Speaker 2: A man lay dead, gunned down while sitting at his desk.
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  Speaker 1: Michelle Sagona is back now with more.
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  Speaker 5: Did Charlie Tan kill his allegedly abusive father to save
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  Speaker 5: his mother's life or just saying he killed him to
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  Speaker 5: save her from a murder rap?
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  Speaker 6: There's more to suggest she did it than Charlie did it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think she had the capability to fire that shotgun.
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  Speaker 5: The scene for this mother and son who done it
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  Speaker 5: had been set when Charlie abruptly suspended his life at
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  Speaker 5: Cornell University to rush back to the family home in Rochester,
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  Speaker 5: New York, after getting what's believed to be a cry
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  Speaker 5: for help from his mother.
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  Speaker 6: You know, there had been some communication between the two
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  Speaker 6: of them about something that had happened at home, which
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  Speaker 6: was prompting his trip to go there.
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  Speaker 5: And four days later, on a Monday night, police would
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  Speaker 5: receive this hysterical nine to one one call from Charlie's mother, Jane.
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  Speaker 17: Ni one one son over does he has as of
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  Speaker 17: the emergency?
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  Speaker 5: Cops arrive at the Tan home to find Jean waiting
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  Speaker 5: outside with Charlie, who surprises them by confessing to killing
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  Speaker 5: his father.
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  Speaker 11: They asked where his dad was. He said, he's dead.
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  Speaker 11: He's upstairs. I had to do what He's going to
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  Speaker 11: hurt my mom.
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  Speaker 5: Gene corroborates her son's story.
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  Speaker 4: Gene Tan says, my son did it. Charlie agrees that
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  Speaker 4: he did it. He directs the sheriff's to the location
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  Speaker 4: where the weapon is found.
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  Speaker 5: So at first it appears that maybe this could have
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  Speaker 5: been self defense exactly.
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  Speaker 4: But then you look at the crime scene. It appeared
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  Speaker 4: that Jim Tann was sitting at his desk working answering emails.
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  Speaker 4: There didn't appear to be a struggle. It looked like
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  Speaker 4: he was taken by surprise. There was not an item
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  Speaker 4: on his desk that was out of place.
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  Speaker 5: Then there's the horrific way Jim Tann was killed. His
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  Speaker 5: body found line under his desk in the study, with
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  Speaker 5: three wounds inflicted by a twelve gage shotgun, once.
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  Speaker 7: In the chest, once sort of in the arm, and
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  Speaker 7: then a facial shot that pretty much removed his whole face.
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  Speaker 3: The shotgun was placed next to his face. His face
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  Speaker 3: was obliterated while he was still alive.
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  Speaker 7: Looked like an assassination or an execution.
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  Speaker 5: And Charlie would be arrested in charge with second degree
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  Speaker 5: murder on the strength of his crime scene confession.
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  Speaker 4: Was Charlie hysterical, No, he was very calm, very almost businesslike.
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  Speaker 5: But from the moment the lead detective, Steve Peglow arrived
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  Speaker 5: at the Tan home, he had suspicions Charlie and his
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  Speaker 5: mother were both lying about when Jim Tann was actually killed.
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  Speaker 15: There was an odor of what bodies smell like when
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  Speaker 15: they have been around for when they have started to decay,
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  Speaker 15: and you get that smell when you walked into the home.
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  Speaker 10: You knew this was not a fresh murder.
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  Speaker 6: That was the first indication.
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  Speaker 5: The second indication was the blood evidence.
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  Speaker 4: There was dried blood all over.
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  Speaker 5: Then there was the state of the body.
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  Speaker 15: It realized that Jim Tann was out of rigamortis. When
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  Speaker 15: someone dies, their body stiffens, and it's stiffens for twelve
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  Speaker 15: to twenty four hours, and then the body goes out
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  Speaker 15: of rigamortis and becomes very limber again.
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  Speaker 5: The corner would conclude Jim Tann had been dead for
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  Speaker 5: about forty eight to seventy two hours.
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  Speaker 6: He certainly didn't die on Monday. He certainly didn't die
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  Speaker 6: on Sunday. To start getting into Saturday, and.
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  Speaker 5: Detectives would stumble upon their biggest clue to exactly when
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  Speaker 5: Jim Tan was murdered.
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  Speaker 15: Jim had a computer in front of him and one
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  Speaker 15: of the investigators turns it on and there was emails
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  Speaker 15: on the computer that had not been read since the previous.
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  Speaker 5: Thursday, The same day his son Charlie had mysteriously rushed
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  Speaker 5: back to the family home from Cornell.
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  Speaker 3: We felt confident that Thursday evening was the last time
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  Speaker 3: they took.
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  Speaker 5: A breath, which sparks accusations that Jim's wife, Jean, must
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  Speaker 5: have staged the nine to one one call she made
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  Speaker 5: four days earlier.
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  Speaker 10: And what do you believe?
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  Speaker 6: No question in my mind that that call on Monday night.
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  Speaker 7: Was completely fake.
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  Speaker 6: She also says I saw something happen. We know she
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  Speaker 6: didn't see something happen on Monday night. It's impossible. So
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  Speaker 6: the corner set.
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  Speaker 5: Investigators have no evidence to indicate it was Gene who
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  Speaker 5: actually committed the murder, but they would gather a lot
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  Speaker 5: of circumstantial evidence pointing to Charlie as his father's killer,
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  Speaker 5: learning that he had gotten a hold of the murder
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  Speaker 5: weapon that same Thursday that he returned home from Cornell,
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  Speaker 5: they would uncover the surveillance video of Charlie trying to
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  Speaker 5: buy the shotgun at Walmart near the university on his
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  Speaker 5: way back to Rochester, only to be turned away because
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  Speaker 5: he reportedly didn't have the necessary documents. But the surveillance
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  Speaker 5: video then shows a friend going back into the store
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  Speaker 5: and buying the gun for Charlie. Our affiliate WHAM reporting
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  Speaker 5: that the shotgun would become a centerpiece of the murder
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  Speaker 5: case against Charlie. Tan Tonight, Jim Atteliskey with a closer
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  Speaker 5: look at the gun in question.
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  Speaker 4: We believe he loaded it because his fingerprints are on
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  Speaker 4: the ammunition, came home and essentially ambushed his father as
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  Speaker 4: he sat at his desk.
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  Speaker 5: Investigators would also find this for voting email Charlie sent
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  Speaker 5: to his fraternity brothers at Cornell that same day. He
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  Speaker 5: titled it showtime, and it reads, in the coming days,
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  Speaker 5: you'll start to hear things in the news and possibly
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  Speaker 5: get a couple of visits from authorities. Don't listen to
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  Speaker 5: anything you hear if you already know my true story,
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  Speaker 5: and in due time you will also Why is.
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  Speaker 10: That email so important to this case.
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  Speaker 4: It shows his intent. It shows that this was purposeful
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  Speaker 4: for him and he knew what he was going to do.
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  Speaker 5: But Charlie's defense attorneys interpret the email as an indication
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  Speaker 5: Charlie knew his mother had perhaps already killed his father.
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  Speaker 6: I explained it as a cover up for his mother.
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  Speaker 6: So you're going to see what happened. And he also
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  Speaker 6: importantly says what you're going to hear is true. That
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  Speaker 6: suggests to me that he's taken a fall for his mother.
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  Speaker 5: Next, sparks fly in court and the judge drops a
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  Speaker 5: huge bombshell when Charlie stands trial for the murder of
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  Speaker 5: his father.
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  Speaker 4: It was a shock. It wasn't what we were expecting.
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  Speaker 11: It was on fathimbal because nobody saw that coming.
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  Speaker 1: It's the unmaking of a murderer.
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  Speaker 2: Ivy League student Charlie Tan admits he gunned down his
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  Speaker 2: father while he's sat at a desk. Charlie says it
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  Speaker 2: was self defense. Prosecutors disagreed and charge him with murder.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Michelle Sagona.
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  Speaker 5: It would be the most sensational and dramatic trial Rochester,
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  Speaker 5: New York, had ever seen, and our affiliate WHAM is
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  Speaker 5: covering it from every angle.
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  Speaker 1: We have team coverage today.
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  Speaker 5: The courtroom is packed and just about everyone except the
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  Speaker 5: prosecution seems to be rooting for a popular twenty year
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  Speaker 5: old ivy leaguer, Charlie Tan, who stands accused of the
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  Speaker 5: bloody shooting murder of his wealthy businessman father, Jim.
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  Speaker 4: It's usually the victim, you know, he has all the
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  Speaker 4: support from family and friends. We had nobody on our side.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone was supporting Charlie.
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  Speaker 5: But police and prosecutors are confident they have all the
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  Speaker 5: evidence they need to get a con.
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  Speaker 15: I really felt that we'd be able to lay out
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  Speaker 15: a case he could prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 5: They have the murder weapon, a twelve gate shotgun used
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  Speaker 5: to blow half of Jim's face off while he sat
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  Speaker 5: at his computer in the study of his home. Surveillance
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  Speaker 5: video of one of Charlie's friends buying the gun for
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  Speaker 5: him just hours before the fatal shooting. A foreboding email
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  Speaker 5: Charlie had sent his fraternity brothers at Cornell University warning
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  Speaker 5: them they would soon hear some shocking news they shouldn't believe,
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  Speaker 5: and a brief in formal confession Charlie gave to cops
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  Speaker 5: at the crime scene. The prosecution even has Charlie's alleged
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  Speaker 5: motives to protect his mother, gene Tan, who was allegedly
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  Speaker 5: being abused by her husband and living in fear for
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  Speaker 5: her life.
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  Speaker 6: There was definitely a long standing history of domestic violence
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  Speaker 6: in the house.
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  Speaker 5: But Charlie's defense team is betting all that still won't
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  Speaker 5: be enough for the prosecution to win the case.
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  Speaker 10: What was Charlie's defense.
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  Speaker 6: Basically, our entire defense was built around you don't know
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  Speaker 6: who shot this person. Nobody knows what's going on in
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  Speaker 6: this house.
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  Speaker 5: And Charlie's attorney's hammer away at the evidence the prosecution
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  Speaker 5: doesn't have.
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  Speaker 6: They had no eyewitnesses to put Charlie at the scene.
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  Speaker 5: Plus, the only forensic evidence was Charlie's fingerprints on the
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  Speaker 5: ammunition in the shotgun.
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  Speaker 10: How do you explain the fingerprints on the casinges he.
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  Speaker 6: Could have touched him before the fact, after the fact.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he has no fingerprints on the gun, so
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  Speaker 6: there's no evidence to suggest he's loading the gun, and.
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  Speaker 5: The weapon didn't have a trace of Charlie's DNA on it.
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  Speaker 6: We've got three separate DNAs on this, none of which
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  Speaker 6: belonged to him.
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  Speaker 5: Then there's the prosecution's strongest piece of evidence, a brief
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  Speaker 5: statement Charlie made to comps at the crime scene that
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  Speaker 5: the prosecution is taking as a confession.
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  Speaker 4: We had the defendant, Charlie Tan saying I had to
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  Speaker 4: do it. I did it. He was going to kill
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  Speaker 4: my mother.
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  Speaker 5: The defense scoffs at it.
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  Speaker 10: You're saying that that's not a confession.
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  Speaker 6: A confession. It's equivocal at best. It could be that
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  Speaker 6: he's covery I had to do it. It's not clear
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  Speaker 6: what he had to do.
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  Speaker 5: Crime Watch Daily Legal correspondent Amy Dash explains.
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  Speaker 17: It's not the same as him saying I killed my father.
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  Speaker 17: So that's how specific you have to get when you
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  Speaker 17: want to present evidence that tries to prove that somebody confessed,
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  Speaker 17: and it was never clarified.
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  Speaker 6: No one asked to follow up question.
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  Speaker 5: Charlie had immediately retained an attorney and never said another
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  Speaker 5: word to investigators after that.
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  Speaker 6: There was no interrogation.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 5: The defense cast suspicion upon Charlie's mother, Jane, who had
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  Speaker 5: also lawyered up and never spoken to police.
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  Speaker 6: His mother, frankly, has a much greater motive A much
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  Speaker 6: greater incentive and much greater hatred in which to fuel
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  Speaker 6: this type of a violent act.
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  Speaker 5: And they suggest Jane's nine to one one call to police
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  Speaker 5: was faked, made on a Monday, four days after they
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  Speaker 5: say her husband was murdered.
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  Speaker 6: You know she didn't see something happen on Monday night.
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  Speaker 6: It's impossible.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: The defense tells the jury Charlie could have been taking
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: the murder rap for his mom.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: I'm asking you to take a look at Gene Tan
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: not because I'm telling you or suggesting to you that
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: she killed Jim Tann, but you have to agree with
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: me that there's far more evidence to suggest she did
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: it than Charlie did it. If you agree with that statement,
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: you have to find him not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: The jury would deliberate for five days without being able
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: to reach a unanimous verdict, and Judge Jans Piapino declares
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: a mistrial.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: And we would start this case over again.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: But when the prosecution and defense returned to court expecting
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: to discuss a date for a new trial, Judge Piapino
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: makes a jaw dropping an announcement.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: If the case is dismissed.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: The judge declaring to everybody surprise that there's not a
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: enough evidence against Charlie to justify a new trial.
• 19:04
  Speaker 11: It was unfathomable because nobody saw that coming.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: Charlie Tan and his defense team are ecstatic, while the
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: prosecution is left in stunned disbelief.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: It was a shock. It wasn't what we were expecting.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Even the defense concede. Such a ruling by a judge
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: has little precedent.
• 19:23
  Speaker 10: Have you ever seen anything like this?
• 19:25
  Speaker 14: I don't think so.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: This is rare.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is rare, and District Attorney Sandra Doorley cries foul.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: There was clearly, in my opinion, under the law, legally
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: sufficient evidence to allow that case to go to a
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: jury for a decision.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: This is an egregious error.
• 19:43
  Speaker 17: People feel that the judge essentially took the decision away
• 19:47
  Speaker 17: from the jury. But what people don't realize is this
• 19:50
  Speaker 17: is something that law allows the judge to do.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: But when a furious assistant District attorney and lead prosecutor
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: Bill Gargan of Jack's judge Payappa threatens to have him
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: arrested and handcuffed right there in the court.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: This is the only time in my career I've ever
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: been threatened with jail by a judge, but Hattie sought
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: to put me in jail. I would have gladly gone
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: to ensure that our voices were heard in relation to
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: that absurd decision.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: Ironically, though, a smiling Charlie Tan walks out of the court,
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: an exonerated free man and straight into the cameras of
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: our affiliate w H A M.
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: Was Charlie very.
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: Surprised and I think he was surprised by everything that happened.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: The Charlie Tan story does not end here with all
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: charges against him drop. At this point, prosecutors are appealing
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: the judge's decision.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: We argued in front of our Pellea Division last week, but.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: Da Dorley admits the chances of getting a new trial
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: are beyond slim.
• 20:51
  Speaker 10: This is an uphill battle.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: It is an uphill battle, and if the prosecution loses
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: as expected, the case will indeed be over.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: Jege Popiano was right and what he did that they
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: can't appeal it, that there's nothing they can do.
• 21:05
  Speaker 17: He felt their case was so weak that it didn't
• 21:08
  Speaker 17: even support bringing the murder charge.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: And the reason is they had a lot of.
• 21:12
  Speaker 17: These circumstantial pieces of evidence, but with each one you
• 21:15
  Speaker 17: had to make a logical leap in order to connect
• 21:18
  Speaker 17: him to the crime.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: So the murder of Jim Tann remains as much of
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: a who've done it now as it was in the beginning.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: Do you believe Charlie Tan was in fact the person
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: who pulled the trigger that night? Yes, but Da Doorley
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: is not quite so sure.
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: Do you believe Charlie's mother had any part in this.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: At this point? I don't believe that she did. I
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: look at the firepower of the rifle that was used
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: to murder Jim Tann. Gene Tan was a very small woman.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think she had the capability to fire that Chuck.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: Was there a point in this case where you wanted
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: to charge Gene Tan with conspiracy?
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: We looked into it, but we felt our strongest case
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: was charging Charlie Tan with an intentional murder as principal
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: and or accomplice, which means that Gene may have had
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: some doing in the preparation or the planning or responsible
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: for the killing of Jim Tann.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: And even Bill Garget admits he could be proven wrong
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: about Charlie's guilt.
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: Do you believe Gene Tan will ever be charged with anything.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I can tell you that there is no such thing
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: as a closed murder investigation. He will always be on
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the lookout for evidence in any case that has not
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: been solved.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Now we want to hear from you after hearing the evidence.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Who do you think killed Jim Tann, Charlie or his mother?
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Sound off right now on our Facebook page. And for
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: the latest on this case, you can go to our
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: website or our affiliates website. That's thirteen wham dot com
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: coming up. The teacher and the student gone.
• 22:52
  Speaker 18: Our concern is growing by the moment.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: We've got the very latest from Tennessee on the allegend.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Deduction from his shocked wife.
• 23:00
  Speaker 19: Please do the right thing and bring Beth home.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: To what the older teacher was spotted buying the day
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: before they disappeared.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: That's nice, all right.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Now a story we've followed very closely here at Crimewatch Daily.
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: Here's Pat Lallama desperate please from a father.
• 23:17
  Speaker 8: IZI, please come home, Please get away from him, come home.
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: A stunning request from a shocked wife.
• 23:26
  Speaker 19: Please do the right thing and turn yourself into the
• 23:29
  Speaker 19: police and bring Beth home.
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: Hundreds of leads, but the only thing newly servicing is
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: this photo of pretty fifteen year old Elizabeth Beth Thomas
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: and her fifty year old former teacher, Tad Cummins, having
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: a seemingly innocent conversation at school a few months before
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: they disappeared. Now this pair is on the run and
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: no one knows where they are or if the young
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: teen even went willing.
• 24:00
  Speaker 18: Our concern is growing by the moment. We want her home,
• 24:05
  Speaker 18: We want him in custody.
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: Their reported relationships started at school, but has sparked a
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: frenzied nationwide man hunt.
• 24:13
  Speaker 19: My heart breaks for the family of Beth Thomas. I
• 24:17
  Speaker 19: want her home just as much as the.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Rest of you.
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: Jill Cummins is baffled by her husband's actions.
• 24:23
  Speaker 19: Tad, this is not you, This is not who you are.
• 24:27
  Speaker 19: We can help you get through this. Your family wants
• 24:31
  Speaker 19: their Poppy.
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: Back, and so does law enforcement. Tad come and stunt
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: has quickly landed him on Tennessee's top ten most wanted list.
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: So far, about six hundred and fifty leads have come in.
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: None have led to their whereabouts, and there have been
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: no credible sightings.
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: Just trying to get the word out. The more I
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: can get the word out, the more we can have
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: people looking for her, the better chance we have of
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: finding her.
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: Is it an abduction or did the pair plan an escape?
• 25:02
  Speaker 19: I certainly can't begin to explain why I think this occurred.
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: Police slowly revealing disturbing new details. Just days before Elizabeth
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: and Cummins disappeared, Copseay Cummins was searching the topic of
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: teen marriages online. He was also scouring the net for
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: information about his car's features to see if they can
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: be tracked by law enforcement.
• 25:26
  Speaker 18: We have no idea where these individuals could be right now.
• 25:31
  Speaker 18: This is a dire situation for this young girl.
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: The last time Elizabeth was seeing a friend reportedly dropped
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: her off at a restaurant in Columbia, Tennessee, not far
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: from where this surveillance video captured the teacher filling up
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: his silver Nissan at a gas station. On the day
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: she vanished, Elizabeth reportedly told her siblings she was spending
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: the day with a friend and strangely, instructed them to
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: call the police if she she didn't return home by
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: six pm. Six o'clock came and went with no sign
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: of Elizabeth. It seems a plan had been laid out
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: with military precision. Just days before they disappeared. Cops say
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: Cummins took out a forty five hundred dollars loan. They
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: also say he's armed and dangerous with two handguns.
• 26:23
  Speaker 18: They could be anywhere, they could have additional resources. They
• 26:26
  Speaker 18: could be in a different vehicle.
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: This is the last known photo of Elizabeth seeing carrying
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: clothes in her arms. And here's Commins on supermarket security camera.
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: Look closely, there's hair dye in his shopping cart, leading
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: some to speculate he might be looking for a way
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: to change in appearance right now, investigators say they believed
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: the purchase was not connected, but there are even more
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: disturbing clues on the Paris social media accounts. Recently, Elizabeth
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: changed her Instagram status to followed by an engagement ring emoji.
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: On Cummens's Instagram account sappy love messages filled with hearts
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: and sunsets at the bottom of one note reads baby
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: girl two thousand and one. Hashtag mission completed, fueling speculation
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: that the pair may be trying to marry.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: I do know one thing.
• 27:22
  Speaker 19: I had no idea my husband was involved with anything
• 27:26
  Speaker 19: that could led to all this.
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: So how did the relationship spiral so crazily out of control.
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: Elizabeth's parents say that the fifty year old dazzled their
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: daughter with stories saying he's a secret agent with the
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: CIA and loaded with cash. Tales. They say he used
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: to manipulate her, and at some point the relationship allegedly
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: did become intimate. Another student reportedly saw Cummins and Elizabeth
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: kissing on the school grounds. Administration was notified, but reportedly
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: allowed Cummins to continue teaching and transferred the teen out
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: of his class. The freshman and her teacher were ordered
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: to have no further contact, but apparently the flames of
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: desire were lit and burning out of control.
• 28:18
  Speaker 20: When we found out what the school system was saying about,
• 28:22
  Speaker 20: when they took action that they didn't delay, my client
• 28:25
  Speaker 20: was outraged.
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: Cummins was suspended after the school board received a letter
• 28:29
  Speaker 9: from Elizabeth's outraged father. The teacher was not officially fired
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: by the district until he disappeared with the teen.
• 28:39
  Speaker 20: My client and his family is beyond distraught. They want
• 28:44
  Speaker 20: her home safely.
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: The Morey County Public School issued a statement saying, in part,
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: the district does not tolerate any manner of behavior that
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: is alleged in this incident and will take swift action.
• 28:59
  Speaker 18: Our message to a Lizabeth is We're still coming for you.
• 29:03
  Speaker 18: We're going to do everything and our possibility, everything in
• 29:06
  Speaker 18: our capabilities to bring you home.
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: The TBI issued their own statement, expressing concern that the
• 29:13
  Speaker 9: fifty year old was abusing his role while attempting to
• 29:17
  Speaker 9: lure and potentially sexually exploit her, an unbearable thought for
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: the teenager's family as they wait in agony for her
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: safe return.
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: To mister Cummins, I'm not asking you to report yourself
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: to the police. I'm not asking you to turn yourself in.
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: I'm just asking for you to leave her somewhere, put
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: her somewhere safe so that we can get her home.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Coming up a late night breaking, a little girl assaulted,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: and when she wrongly IDs her father as the suspect,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: he is robbed of a normal life.
• 29:50
  Speaker 21: They've been told for twenty years that is this horrible
• 29:53
  Speaker 21: monster and I'm not.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Crime Watch Daily Inside Brad Pittman's Road to redemption. Cops
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: finally caught the real perth. That's next now to a
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: heartbreaking story out of Colorado. For twenty years, Brad Pittman
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: lived at life being called a monster. It's used of
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: an unthinkable crime. His family deserted him, his kids wanted
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with him, and adding insult to injury,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Brad Pittman was an innocent man. We're teaming up with
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: our affiliate kdd R for more on Brad's new search
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: for redemption. A break in at a family hall, a
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: kitchen window breached.
• 30:34
  Speaker 22: There was forcible entry to the residence.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: An innocent four year old girl sexually assaulted, telling police
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: about her horrible ordeal in this videotaped interview, speaking aby
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: injuries so brutal. The little girl requires five surgeries.
• 30:54
  Speaker 22: I had asked her that, you know, if it was
• 30:56
  Speaker 22: somebody that she knew, and she said no, she had
• 30:59
  Speaker 22: never seen the first before or had she worked?
• 31:03
  Speaker 19: Shread my dad he need me had a skin like down.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Her dad is Brad Pittman, recently separated from the little
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: girl's mom and for the previous two weeks living way
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: across town. Pittman tell's police he receives a call from
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: his axe just moments after the assault, and he races
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: back to his family.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Did the little girl really name.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Her own father as a suspect, Pittman tell's reporter Rob
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Law of our Denver affiliate KDVR. It was a shaken
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: four year old's simple mistake.
• 31:39
  Speaker 21: The words she used in the one interview was dark
• 31:43
  Speaker 21: like my dad. At the time, I was framing houses,
• 31:46
  Speaker 21: so I was really suntan.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: The evidence is on pittman side. Detectives pull a lone
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: palm print from the break in window, it's not Pittman's,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and a timeline video commissioned by investigators proofs he couldn't
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: have committed the crime.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: It looks like Dad is in the clear.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: But then months later, police and social workers reinterview the
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: little girl. What the little girl says turns the spotlight
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: right back on the man you'd least suspect.
• 32:19
  Speaker 19: Yes, well my dad. What did your dad do her?
• 32:24
  Speaker 22: That's the male figure in her life that she knew
• 32:27
  Speaker 22: at the time, So that's who she compares this individual too.
• 32:30
  Speaker 22: Because it was a male that committed the crime.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Cops didn't believe Pittman did it, And before the little
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: girl pointed the finger at her dad, she had repeatedly
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: said it was a stranger who attacked her.
• 32:41
  Speaker 19: It's not nice for strangers to hurt her.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Key Court records show social workers still recommend he'd pay
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: an unbelievable prize, take responsibility for the sexual physical abuse,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: and mister Pittman is to participate in a psychological and
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: or sex offender evaluation.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Refuses, insisting he's.
• 33:01
  Speaker 21: Innocent, repeatedly ask a four year old, did your dad
• 33:05
  Speaker 21: do it?
• 33:07
  Speaker 12: I think sooner or later they're gonna believe he did it.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: But the Department of Human Services takes the child's words
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: and runs with them, filing a motion for termination of
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Pittman's parental rights to his daughter and baby son. All
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: that despite the fact Pittman never spent a day in jail,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: was never even charged with abuse.
• 33:26
  Speaker 21: I've been in prison for twenty years now. That's more
• 33:28
  Speaker 21: or less what it feels like. I might not have
• 33:30
  Speaker 21: went to jail, but I've been in prison for twenty years.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Then two decades later, this shocker.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Cops matched the palm print with one from a nineteen
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: ninety eight burglary case in Garland, Texas. The suspect this
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: man Jewel Market in nineteen ninety six. Market was a
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: soldier stationed at Ford Carson, less than a mile from
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: the scene of the crime, and market resembles this composite
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: sketch of an intruder accused of similar break in and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: assaults in the same neighborhood.
• 34:02
  Speaker 21: His fingerprints were the only one on that window, though
• 34:05
  Speaker 21: they could have rolled me out twenty years ago.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Now those prints are the physical evidence cops need to
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: lock up the real abuser. Jewel Market sobs as he's
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: convicted of the decades old crime and gets twenty four
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: years in prison.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Is that justice for Brad Pittman?
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: The entire family suffered from that.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: He He didn't take anything from the house, but he
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: robbed him of a life together.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Reporter Rob Low cornered the head of El Paso's Department
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: of Human Services and asked, is it conviction enough to
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: write this terrible wrong?
• 34:37
  Speaker 12: Do you think after twenty years your department owes him
• 34:40
  Speaker 12: an apology.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to share in the media acknowledge that
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: we even have an open case.
• 34:44
  Speaker 12: It's not an open case. That's why you can talk
• 34:46
  Speaker 12: about it. It's not an open case. Your department could
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: apologize if I wanted to. Why do you Supper say
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: I'm sorry they messed up. I mean, admit you did wrong.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: What about the man? Now?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Truly at the center of this horrible were Jewel Market's
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: courtroom tears remorse or did they get the wrong guy again?
• 35:07
  Speaker 23: And what I'm saying is I didn't do it. Somebody
• 35:10
  Speaker 23: did it, but it wasn't me.
• 35:11
  Speaker 12: What would you say to Brad Pittman today?
• 35:13
  Speaker 23: I feel this painion, but the right person needs to
• 35:17
  Speaker 23: be brought to justice, not me.
• 35:19
  Speaker 12: How would your fingerprint get on that frame?
• 35:22
  Speaker 23: When I when I check for an apartment for my family,
• 35:24
  Speaker 23: I check everything. I go through windows, I go through doors,
• 35:27
  Speaker 23: I go through this, I go through that.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Market claims his handprint got out of the window while
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: he was looking to rent an apartments years before.
• 35:35
  Speaker 12: Toldy, you understand that seems very odd and suspicious.
• 35:37
  Speaker 23: How does that seem odd?
• 35:38
  Speaker 12: Did that?
• 35:38
  Speaker 23: I check out check out apartments? Why don't you go
• 35:41
  Speaker 23: when you go look for a place for your family,
• 35:43
  Speaker 23: don't you go ahead and make sure that they it's
• 35:45
  Speaker 23: the best place possible for them?
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: No, I don't go around the back and put my
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: check prints on a frame.
• 35:51
  Speaker 23: Okay, I want to end this interview right now.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Authorities believe they finally have the right man in prison,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: but there's no happy ending for a dad who will
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: never really know.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: The true love of his own children.
• 36:04
  Speaker 21: I've missed twenty years with my kids, and I don't
• 36:07
  Speaker 21: know if they'll ever contact me, because you know, they've
• 36:10
  Speaker 21: been told for twenty years that is this horrible monster
• 36:14
  Speaker 21: and I'm.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Not coming up. What's next for Brad Pittman. Our panel
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: of experts examines the heartbreaking and controversial case.
• 36:26
  Speaker 13: I want every single person involved in this suit say little.
• 36:30
  Speaker 24: We were operating in good faith. That's what I think.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Well, because they're in con that's xt.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: It's time for Uncuffed, where we talk about all the
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: biggest news and legal topics trending around the country today.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Today.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Joining me for our panel, our Crime Watch daily correspondence
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Jason Matterra and Ebie K Williams, our Crime Watch Daily
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: legal analyst Jesse Weber, and forensic psychologist doctor Michelle Ward.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: The case we're looking at today is when we covered
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  Speaker 2: earlier on this show in nineteen ninety six. A four
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  Speaker 2: year old girl is raped in the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 2: When police ask her if she can describe the man
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  Speaker 2: who did it, she said, like her father, can you tell.
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  Speaker 12: Me what this blake?
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  Speaker 10: May we work spread right dab Now.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty years later, fingerprints built from the scene matched with
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  Speaker 2: another man Joel Martin. But Brad has already lost so
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  Speaker 2: many years with his daughter and claims now she wants
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  Speaker 2: nothing to.
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  Speaker 1: Do with him.
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  Speaker 2: So now what Jesse does he have a civil suit here.
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  Speaker 25: In terms of going after the DHS for making this mistake.
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  Speaker 25: The problem is they might have immunity because they were
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  Speaker 25: just basically doing their job at the time. If he
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  Speaker 25: doesn't really have parental rights anymore, I don't know if
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  Speaker 25: he's gonna have standing to.
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  Speaker 13: Think they were doing their job at the time. I mean,
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  Speaker 13: this was an over zealous Department of Human Services. Not
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  Speaker 13: only the police did not charge him, they didn't think
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  Speaker 13: he did it. I want every single person involved in
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  Speaker 13: this suit they should be personally held a lot.
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  Speaker 2: But to be fair, Child Services is under fire across
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  Speaker 2: the country for not.
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  Speaker 1: Interceding exactly he wasn't charged.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, how can you have your parental rights stricken
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  Speaker 13: from you if you're.
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  Speaker 1: Not even charged with the I can.
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  Speaker 24: Tell you how if you've made a determination based off
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  Speaker 24: of other facts, you know, the criminality is simply one element.
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  Speaker 24: That person probably made the best estimation they could at
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  Speaker 24: the time with the facts they had, and the best
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  Speaker 24: interest of the child is paramount that's the standard.
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  Speaker 4: I just want to face this one pointe.
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  Speaker 24: Certainly that indeed was the standard, and if they felt
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  Speaker 24: at the time for the protection of the child, that
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  Speaker 24: was the right decision. I think we have to take
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  Speaker 24: that in consideration.
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  Speaker 1: Well I don't.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, I think it's I think it's completely ludicrous
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  Speaker 13: to say that they were protecting the child. Here, she's
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  Speaker 13: four years old at the time. They said, you know
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  Speaker 13: who did this to you? Do you know who did
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  Speaker 13: this to you? No, I don't know who did.
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  Speaker 1: This to me.
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  Speaker 13: But he had dark skin like my dad. If it
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  Speaker 13: was her dad, she would have said so. It wasn't
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  Speaker 13: until later on after it appears she was conditioned and
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  Speaker 13: brainwashed by social services to give an interview.
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  Speaker 19: You just want my dad dating, what did your dad do?
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  Speaker 1: Let me break in. I want Michelle the way in
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  Speaker 1: this as a psycho. Did they handle this case appropriately?
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  Speaker 26: Now here's the problem. You can convince a child of
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  Speaker 26: a memory that never happened, and you can do it
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  Speaker 26: to adults too. So today I would like to think,
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  Speaker 26: I would like to think that that testimony from that
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  Speaker 26: four year old girl wouldn't have done.
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  Speaker 1: Is there any remedy for this man?
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  Speaker 25: Which he would ultimately want his relationship with his daughter,
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  Speaker 25: and the first step in getting that is to get
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  Speaker 25: his parental rights back. But the problem is the way
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  Speaker 25: the law is written. I believe he would need the
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  Speaker 25: support of his daughter, who doesn't want to have anything
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  Speaker 25: to do with him.
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  Speaker 13: The kids have grown up thinking that daddy tried to rape.
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  Speaker 13: It's hard to do that, I mean over twenty something years,
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  Speaker 13: and and then you find out later on that your
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  Speaker 13: your father has been exonerated. Clearly, Department of Human Services
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  Speaker 13: isn't the wrong here?
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  Speaker 22: Right?
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  Speaker 11: They weren't the wrong.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think clear.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think it's very clear. But they want to
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  Speaker 1: go after can you.
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  Speaker 25: They won't even.
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  Speaker 24: Offer apology and say, listen, we were operating in good faith.
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  Speaker 24: That's what I think.
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  Speaker 1: Well, because they're competitive, No, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I disagree with that.
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  Speaker 1: That's your opinion.
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  Speaker 4: That's fine, Well, of course it's my opinion.
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  Speaker 13: But there was no facts to support.
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  Speaker 24: That four year old No, but there might have been
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  Speaker 24: other facts around the fact that there was concern around
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  Speaker 24: that relationship.
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  Speaker 25: That they basically took away his rights based upon speculation
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  Speaker 25: and circumstance, which is.
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  Speaker 12: Not what we should have.
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  Speaker 9: Their file would have their files.
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  Speaker 25: But if there was no actual criminal charges provided against them,
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  Speaker 25: and it wasn't a proper in this case removing a
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  Speaker 25: child from his from the parents, I believe they should.
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  Speaker 2: Be I think we can all agree this is tragic
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  Speaker 2: on at least three different levels as all these guys.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: For more uncuffed and information on this story. You can
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