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Kushal Choski on Surviving 9/11 and Goldman Sachs to Life Scanning · Low to Grow

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  Today with me is Kushaw Choksey, a 9/11 survivor, entrepreneur,
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  author, and now spiritual trainer based in New York.
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  Doubt is always about the goodness, right?
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  We always doubt good things. We all, we never doubt the
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  negativity. Kushaw started on Wall Street as
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  a quantitative analyst at Goldman Sachs, rose to VP, and
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  then LED portfolios at Athelium and BlackRock.
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  After experiencing and surviving 9/11, he really changed his view
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  on how he approached life. That life altering experience
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  led him to look into meditation, breath work, and down a
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  spiritual path that now really shapes his day-to-day.
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  But the inner dimension where our true happiness comes from,
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  where the true control comes from, we hardly do anything
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  about it. It's like you go and rest deeper
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  so that you can go out and play harder.
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  Kushao has since founded startups and today Ko runs
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  Elements Truffles, which is a Wellness inspired and ethnically
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  driven chocolate company, with his wife.
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  Never knew that waiting can also be fun.
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  It's kind of training my mind, training my being to new ways of
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  thinking. Whilst ballasting his work as an
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  intuitive life scanner and sits on the US board of the
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  International Association for Human Values, Kajao's story is
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  about blending ambition with purpose, resilience with
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  mindfulness and how to live a life that is truly meaningful to
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  oneself. When you learn to quiet your
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  mind, when you learn to experience that thoughtless
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  stillness, that's when you can log in to another dimension.
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  But with that effort that oh, I want that, I want that, I want
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  that. It's not the way to get there.
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  It starts with an intention, of course, that I want to go there.
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  Then the first step is. Quick note before we start, if
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  Kushal, welcome to the Low to Row podcast.
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  It's a pleasure to have you. Who do you think will benefit
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  the most from listening to our conversation today?
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  Thanks for having me, Annie. I think pretty much anyone who
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  is curious in life, who thinks that life is not just linear,
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  who thinks that life has more to offer than what just meets the
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  eye. Perhaps anyone who thinks that
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  the experiences they have had is there more to life than than
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  that. If you feel that, OK, I'm doing
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  this particular thing and perhaps I could do something
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  else, but how? Where do I start?
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  What do I do? How do I listen to that?
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  Tap into that inner voice. Anyone who is curious about it
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  would benefit. Where would you say that your
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  life started? Well, geographically, it started
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  in India. That's where I was born and
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  that's where I grew up. But the real growing up happened
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  when I came to this country. You know, when I came here for
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  the first time, I got on a plane and came to this country as a
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  student and I met with that very different set of expectations
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  and sort of proverbial cultural shock.
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  That's when kind of things started happening.
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  And that's when, for the first time, I met with what really is
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  life. Understood.
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  And when you first arrived in the US from India, what
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  surprised you about the American culture and the American way of
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  life? Well, first was my challenge
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  with the language. I think everything was very
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  different. I mean, I came from a very
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  modest background and so when I came here, just everything was
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  very refreshing. Even the education was, it was
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  very unique and how transferring information, transferring wisdom
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  was very different compared to what what I was used to.
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  I remember when I was on the campus in the first time, which
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  then later on turned out to be my first employer.
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  Goldman Sachs came to the campus and the way they talked about
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  living the American dream and, and what it takes to be
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  successful in this country. I realized, Oh my goodness, this
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  is this is an amazing place to to work hard in.
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  And that's where you began your career, wasn't it, as a
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  quantitative analyst at Goldman Sachs?
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  That's right. You're also an orphan.
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  You've written Marie honestly about your experience of
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  surviving the 9/11 attacks. Could you tell us a bit more
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  about what happened in the lead up to that day?
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  Well, yeah, I think it was just I was just an analyst at Goldman
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  Sachs at that time. And, you know, I was just going
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  about my regular day. I used to work in Manhattan and
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  that's when these horrendous attacks happened.
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  Nobody can ever be prepared for something like this.
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  Nobody knows how to deal with something like this because
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  nobody has seen something like this.
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  So like the rest of New Yorkers, I too was taken aback by by what
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  had really happened, kind of caught in the middle of the
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  storm, if you will. But I think something like these
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  moments like this in life are are page turners in otherwise a
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  very monotonous pursuit or monochromatic pursuit, if you
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  will. And something like this really
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  opens up your life in some words, like a violent disruption
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  of that sense of control. You know how you you feel like,
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  oh, everything should happen in certain way.
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  I want it to be this way and that way.
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  I want to plan my life, everything like this.
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  And yeah, I want to be this. And after that couple of years,
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  this and then buy a home and this and and then suddenly
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  something like this happens. Boom.
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  And all that sense of controls that, the plans, the
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  possibilities, they all just go out of window.
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  It's a very different way to look at life just emerges.
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  Now looking back with a few years of hindsight as well, how
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  would you say that surviving the 9/11 attacks changed how you
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  viewed yourself and also how you viewed success?
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  You know, clarity compounds faster than hustle, and that is
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  clarity is one thing I gained from that event.
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  Clarity that there's more to life than than what I see in
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  front of me. There is more to life than just
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  chasing bonuses. There is more to life than just
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  living the American Dream. There's something more than than
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  what we all see and run towards every day.
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  I did not know what that was, but I knew that there was a
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  missing piece of puzzle and that was a clarity that came to me.
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  So everything about life that I knew in a way changed, but then
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  I also struggled to find what is that missing piece of possible.
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  So in a way, it was a wonderful wake up call which kind of
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  opened me up to new possibilities in life.
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  And in what forms did those new possibilities take place in your
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  life? Biggest change that happened
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  when right after that I I learned how to meditate.
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  I was not looking for it, but somehow I stumble upon it.
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  I met this teacher guru Dev Sri Ravi Shankar in New York in 2004
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  and the breath work that he was teaching called Sky Breath
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  Meditation. That was a game changer for me.
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  I always thought that after 911, I really want to do something
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  that my heart called for, that I wanted to do something that that
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  I was here to do, always looking for that proverbial purpose.
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  What am I really here to do? I'm I'm not here to to make
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  money on Wall Street. That's not that's not my
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  purpose, but what is it? That's something I didn't know
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  at that point. But learning this meditation,
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  learning this technique gave me the ability to tap into my inner
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  self and that voice that we all have inside.
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  There's something that we all carry with us.
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  It's always guiding us. It just amplified over a period
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  of time and that, I felt, was a gift that even today keeps on
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  giving. If I asked you today what you
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  believe your purpose in life is, what would your response be?
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  I think the many things that come to me, you know, but I feel
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  it's one of the biggest things that I learned is to not take
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  life too seriously, to be able to really follow the the calling
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  of your own heart. You really tap into the voice
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  and just follow where it takes you.
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  We often put too many guidelines and too many guardrails around
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  what we do and most of those things are inspired or I should
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  say be collected from what we see around us.
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  My senior in college did something so now I want to do
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  that. I see someone make more money
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  and I think that is the key to happiness.
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  I feel someone around me has a better home and I feel, oh, I
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  should have that too. So a lot of time we do things in
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  life just because from osmosis, we capture things from what we
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  see around people doing it. But what if reality was
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  different? What if none of those things
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  mattered? What if what we're looking for
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  is not outside, but something that you gain from within?
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  And I think a purpose is to to follow that, follow that thread
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  to be able to be in touch with who I really AM.
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  Understood. What advice would you give to
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  young professionals? You know, these might be people
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  in their mid to late 20s. They have spent a few years in
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  their first job after university and they are feeling that they
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  are slightly out of alignment. They can feel a little bit of
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  doubt in my mind of whether or not they are on the right path,
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  but they haven't quite learnt yet how to really listen to that
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  inner voice. What are some actionable things
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  that they can do in order to start aligning that to what the
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  purpose of my life is? Yeah, great question, Annie.
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  I think doubt is always about the goodness, right?
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  We always doubt good things. We all, we never doubt the
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  negativity. We, we, we always doubt.
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  You know, if something's really good, then yeah.
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  Oh, yeah. Is it really that way?
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  We never doubt our own shortcomings.
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  We never doubt our negativities that surrounds us.
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  So I think doubt is good. It's it's form of human
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  evolution. Holding the doubts is part of
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  the journey. So not to do away with the
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  doubts or the other things that follow around the doubts.
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  But I think it's very, very important to to look within,
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  especially with the times that we are in with social media,
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  with tremendous amount of information that we consume and
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  it's constantly compounding all the time.
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  I feel it's very important to take a moment to connect with
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  it. Our mind is like a slate and we
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  constantly keep writing things. Any events, any experiences that
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  leave like an impression on it, like writing on a board?
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  The more and more impressions we gather, the more and more life
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  experience we go through, the more crowded that space gets.
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  Imagine, take a blackboard, right to the chart, then right
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  again, then again and again. After a point it just becomes
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  illegible. You know we do everything for
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  everything around us. You know the 2 dimensions to our
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  existence, outer and inner. Outer dimension is our cars, our
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  families, our bodies, our bank balances.
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  You know we do everything for that.
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  But the inner dimension are there are true happiness comes
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  from where the true control comes from.
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  We hardly do anything about it, isn't it?
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  Our time and energy and focus is all geared towards that outer
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  dimension. But if you take a moment to just
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  pay attention that inner dimension a lot more happens, a
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  lot more opens up. And so I think one thing I would
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  say to the newer generation is take a few moments, meditate,
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  take a few moments and go deeper.
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  Learn a breathing technique, use breath work to manage your own
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  mind a few minutes a day. There's one misconception that
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  to do something like this, you have to drop the material
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  pursuits. That was 1 misconception I had.
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  It's not that they both go hand in hand with each other.
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  It's like you go and rest deeper so that you can go out and play
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  harder. You pull that arrow back so that
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  when you let it go, it goes much farther.
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  It's very important in these days because the information,
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  the impressions that we are collecting, it set as such an
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  alarming rate that you need that moment to just settle down and
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  take a moment to hit the reset button for your own self.
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  Since you left Wall Street, basically you've been a Co
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  founder of a company called Elements Truffles which you run
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  with your wife. How have you found
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  entrepreneurship? Entrepreneurship is fun, you
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  know, it's, it really gives me a lot of joy.
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  Problem solving gives me joy. And entrepreneurship is just a
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  crash course in, in problem solving.
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  Sometimes if you ask me, you know, in whether in finance and
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  tech in, in something like CPG, which I'm, I'm doing right now.
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  What is different and what is the same?
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  Well, problem solving is one part that's consistent across
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  everything. You know, when I was on Wall
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  Street, I used to solve problems around interest rate movements
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  every day. Now I solve problems around
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  logistics. The flavor changes.
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  The flavor of problems change. But at the end of the day, all
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  of us are problem solvers and with more alacrity, the more
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  effectiveness, with the more intensity and with the more
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  enthusiasm we can solve those problems, the ease more easy it
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  becomes and the joy it become. The right becomes joyful, right?
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  Otherwise it becomes like dragging your feet.
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  Then it just, it feels like a chore.
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  Then it feels like, Oh my God, it's a Monday to Friday and I'm
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  waiting for the weekend. Then it becomes a nine to five.
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  And that's not a good place to be for anyone.
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  I can relate to that. When I was doing internships at
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  university, I think that's when I realized that I really wanted
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  to be part of a startup after graduating because I realized
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  that I needed to throw enough ownership and also not be
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  counting down the hours until the weekend for whatever I do
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  because work takes up such a big amount of the time.
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  I'm quite curious, Kushal, why did you choose to start a
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  company in the particular industry of Elements truffles?
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  You were in Wall Street and in finance before.
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  Why did you choose chocolate is the area to build your company
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  in? It was just a fashion project.
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  One thing this practice of breath work and meditation gave
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  me was the the ability to to follow what my heart's desires,
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  you know, follow what my heart wanted.
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  So after my finance stint, I did do a a tech startup.
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  I had a company called Hubble, which was in the machine
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  learning area back in 2010 when this AI and machine learning was
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  in, in its very nascent stage. And after it was acquired,
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  that's when I thought, I want to do something completely
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  different. And both my wife and I, we, we
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  love chocolates and we wanted to do something in the field of
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  food that was both yummy and it had nutritional value because
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  those two things don't well go well together.
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  Because chocolates was something we so deeply loved, we thought
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  why not do something there it it started as a fashion project and
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  started from a small farmers market and now it became a real
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  company. That's a really beautiful story
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  actually. What have you learnt about
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  yourself over the course of building and creating elements
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  Travels? Creativity.
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  There's a lot of joy and creativity.
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  That's something I I never thought I enjoyed so much.
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  I mean, there's creativity in all the fields, but especially
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  when you're creating a consumer product, when you're shipping a
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  product, there's a different part of the brain that gets
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  used. And that's something that I
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  really enjoyed, enjoyed doing. And then again, you know, at the
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  end of the day, it also taught me a lot of patience.
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  One thing that Wall Street does not, it's a hustle culture,
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  right? It's like you don't have
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  patience for anything. Everything is, is right now
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  right here. I come from that field where I,
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  I want to see quick results. I want everything is very result
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  oriented. I want to, I want to put it in
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  effort in and I want to see an outcome out right now.
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  And one thing that I learned in in this area was there was there
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  were no quick wins. You know, things, it's almost
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  coming from a digital to an analogue world.
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  Things take time. They things take time to move
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  and you sometimes watch paint dry on the wall.
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  That's a beauty in it. I never knew that.
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  Waiting can also be fun. It's kind of training my mind,
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  training my being to new ways of thinking.
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  And of course, problem solving is something that that's
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  consistent across no matter what you do.
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  I can see the strands of creativity and also problem
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  solving coming across various areas of your professional life
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  because now you're so involved with the Institute of Absolute
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  Intelligence. Could you tell us a bit more
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  about what your involvement is? I know So what that institute
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  does. Sure.
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  So institute was recently launched by my teacher Kurudev
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  Sushiravi Shankar and it invites scientific inquiry into the
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  field of consciousness. See the study of consciousness
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  is is not new to the world. In the past it has been limited
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  to sort of a spiritual pursuit. Right when you meditate, you you
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  be more conscious. Mindfulness, consciousness comes
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  through that the the institute is inviting you to go deeper
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  from a scientific lens. There's so much study right now
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  done about if you, if you look at the Scientific Americans, one
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  of the recent editions, it just talks about consciousness.
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  It's all about consciousness. The potential of that to to lead
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  us to unveiling a completely new way of living.
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  There are a couple of things that the institute focuses on.
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  One is an intuition process that's more for children up to
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  age 18. What is intuition?
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  Just the right thought at the right time and through the
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  practices, through going deeper, connecting within, you open up
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  that intuitive ability where more right thoughts come to you
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  at the right time. How do you know that's
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  happening? Something which is very
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  visceral, something you can see is I, I've seen these kids read
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  with their eyes closed. They can pick up things that are
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  not in front of them. They can see things outside, you
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  know, because consciousness, our mind is like a receiver.
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  We are surrounded in the ocean of consciousness, you know, we
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  are in the ocean of conscious. So the mind is always perceiving
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  and telecasting things. Think of it like a television.
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  Even if you switch the television off, the waves still
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  remain. You're maybe tuned into one
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  channel, but there are other channels out there too.
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  So it's all about tuning into a particular frequency to tap into
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  the knowledge that's around us. And there's infinite knowledge
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  around us, the knowledge of the past, present and the future.
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  All is that right here in this moment.
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  And the institute just does this practices and studies that
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  allows one to go deeper into it and explore.
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  The other aspect of that is scanning.
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  Scanning is again, the ability to see through time.
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  We think time as a as a linear. Linear vector, linear quantity.
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  But it's not so, you know, it's, it's all around us.
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  And a lot has happened in the past that has brought you to
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  this moment. And this moment, like a like a
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  seed has the possibility of becoming a tree.
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  This moment has the infinite possibility of what lies ahead
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  in the future, isn't it? So just by diving through it,
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  you can see the past and the future, and that's fascinating.
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  That's very interesting. How is the reception of people
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  towards the institute? So, for example, if I go to some
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  of my friends who are physicists or engineers, they will not even
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  look into what the institute does because they just think
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  it's absolutely not possible to be able to read with your eyes
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  closed or to be able to see colors with your eyes closed.
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  How have you found the reception of that from?
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  Yeah, from a general public. It's, it's very warm, actually.
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  Most of the members of the institute are neuroscientists,
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  physicists, and as students of consciousness, of course, it's
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  very intriguing how you do it. And that's why that's where the
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  science meets spirituality. There's enough science,
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  scientific studies that have done now that talk about the
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  capacity of the mind, the capacity of at the human
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  potential to dive into deeper into things that may come across
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  as wait, what is this? But there are studies that are
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  actual scientific studies that they've already established the
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  ability of the non nonlinearity, the ability to see through
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  through the time. All that is now scientifically
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  also getting into the play. Is it a mainstream narrative
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  yet? No, it's not that it's not there
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  yet. And that's why Institute's work
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  becomes more and more important to kind of invite that
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  scientific rigour into seeing how this really happens, how
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  this plays out. I'm quite curious to delve a bit
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  deeper into that actually. Like what are some of the
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  scientific explanations that you can maybe talk about that would
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  explain the process of how some of the teachings or some or how
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  some of the activities within the institute actually works?
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  I will give you a point of view, and then we will see how science
• 22:45
  corroborates with it, right? See, the idea is that there's
• 22:48
  infinite potential within all of us, right?
• 22:51
  There's so much knowledge around us.
• 22:54
  Wisdom is all around us. There are three different types
• 22:57
  of spaces. There's a space that is the
• 23:02
  physical space. What surrounds us, the body, you
• 23:05
  know, it's the bhutakash. Then there's a space that's
• 23:08
  about our mind, mind, I don't mean the brain, but that field
• 23:12
  of energy that the thoughts come from.
• 23:14
  And then there's a space outside that which is the ether, which
• 23:18
  is the which is called the Chitakash, which is this pure,
• 23:21
  pure consciousness. Now most of us are in the
• 23:27
  Bhutakash, this the physical space, and our thoughts are in
• 23:31
  the Chitakash, the the space, the next immediate space.
• 23:35
  All our desires, all our wants, all our cravings and aversions
• 23:40
  are in that space. But when those modes of the mind
• 23:45
  is settled down a bit, that's when you get access to the
• 23:51
  ultimate space, the pure consciousness, which has all the
• 23:54
  wisdom and knowledge of time in it.
• 23:56
  Through meditation, you can still your mind and log into
• 24:01
  this other dimension and a lot of studies being done about
• 24:06
  about these spaces and how do you go from one to the other.
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  How spirituality comes to it is from the angle of there are
• 24:15
  turbulences around you that prevent you from seeing deeper,
• 24:20
  prevent you from going within. It's not like the one who can
• 24:23
  scan has any, has anything special.
• 24:26
  They've just learned to silent their mind and everything that
• 24:30
  we spoke about earlier about clearing the impressions in the
• 24:33
  mind, going through the life events, collecting the dust and
• 24:37
  using a razor to wipe it so that you can tap into this inner
• 24:42
  voice. It's all now coming together in
• 24:46
  this theory. When you learn to quiet your
• 24:49
  mind, when you learn to to experience that thoughtless
• 24:56
  stillness, that's when you can log into another dimension.
• 25:01
  You can train your mind to tap into that space which is
• 25:06
  pregnant with infinite knowledge and wisdom.
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  Understood. And for any of our listeners who
• 25:13
  might be interested in reading up a bit more about the science
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  behind this, are there any resources that you would
• 25:19
  recommend they look into? Yeah, the Institute of AI dot AI
• 25:24
  is the website where you'll go and you can tap in.
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  You can learn into this different aspects.
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  There are some scientific studies that have been posted on
• 25:32
  it. There's more information about
• 25:34
  intuition process and scanning. There also some, I believe some
• 25:38
  videos where you can see this, this kids performing some things
• 25:42
  that you feel me? Hey, how did this happen?
• 25:44
  Also on YouTube, I believe you can find the intuition process
• 25:47
  out of living intuition process. And yeah, experience the
• 25:50
  scanning yourself. I mean, you can I think you can
• 25:53
  sign up there and be part of the institute and experience these
• 25:56
  techniques yourself. After all, seeing is believing.
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  Yes, that's true. And what happens in a lifescan?
• 26:04
  A lifescan is just sort of a meditative process.
• 26:07
  It's a one-on-one process where the this person who scans can
• 26:11
  just go through the through the time and see what's in the past,
• 26:15
  what's in the future. We all have our own set of
• 26:18
  impressions that are somewhat debilitating us right there.
• 26:21
  There's things that are preventing us from being a best
• 26:24
  version of ourselves. So in the scanning, those kind
• 26:28
  of things come up, You know, scannings, you can see the
• 26:32
  things that are, you know, what are your strongest impressions?
• 26:37
  What is it that that you, you know, there's some sometimes
• 26:41
  very visceral things come up too, You know, some past
• 26:44
  impressions, past events that come up, something that's not
• 26:47
  happened yet that can also come up.
• 26:50
  So it's, it's, it's just a, it's just a conversation.
• 26:53
  It's a it's like a meditative experience and things.
• 26:57
  Whatever comes through in that moment comes through.
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  Can you remember when you did your first live scan?
• 27:04
  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I I remember and the first
• 27:07
  time I had a scan, the scanner was reading me like an open
• 27:11
  book. Met that person once before.
• 27:14
  And so he, the person clearly didn't know much about me, but
• 27:18
  they were able to tell some of my deepest rooted tendencies.
• 27:22
  They were able to guide me through certain things that I
• 27:25
  wasn't very sure about at that point in life.
• 27:27
  I was at a fork at that point, whether to take go to left or
• 27:30
  right. And that person not only
• 27:32
  identified that, that I was maybe in in some, some state
• 27:36
  like that, but he also guided me into which way to go.
• 27:40
  And I've seen over a period of time with scanning is that it
• 27:44
  just alleviates a lot of anxiety in people is right now so much
• 27:48
  anxiety, you know, that people are not so sure about so many
• 27:52
  things. And that just breeds so much
• 27:55
  anxiety and stress because of that, that fear of unknown.
• 27:59
  And a process like scanning just allows them to move past.
• 28:03
  It's like GPS, you know, like when you have AGPS, whether
• 28:06
  you're not there ahead. But on, on maps you can see, oh,
• 28:09
  there's a red patch ahead. So maybe I should take another
• 28:12
  route to bypass that. It's a process like that.
• 28:16
  Understood And Kushal, you're welcome to stay nice, but would
• 28:19
  you be able to share at what stage of life you were in when
• 28:23
  you had your first life scan and I saw how that affected your
• 28:27
  life afterwards? This is about 3 years ago that I
• 28:30
  had my first life scan and you know, it wasn't a very for me at
• 28:35
  that time. I was, it was more of a
• 28:37
  professional decision. Our company was growing and we
• 28:39
  were not sure whether we wanted to invest in a bigger facility
• 28:43
  at that point and go outwards sort of farming out to someone
• 28:46
  or, or invest in house and and build that muscle ourselves.
• 28:52
  I got a very clear instructions on what to do and and that
• 28:56
  turned out to be the absolute right thing to do because had I
• 28:58
  taken the other option, the tariffs would have completely
• 29:02
  killed us. So it in retrospect, it turned
• 29:06
  out to be the right thing. I was anyways leaning towards
• 29:09
  it, but this just the fact that it came from the scanner and
• 29:13
  gave me so much clarity. My confidence in in exercising
• 29:17
  that option was much more stronger after that.
• 29:21
  How does 1 become qualified to do a live scan for someone else?
• 29:27
  It starts with learning sky breath meditation and it takes a
• 29:31
  few months or sometimes yours with the training in meditation,
• 29:36
  that ability to quiet your own mind, the ability to not let
• 29:41
  what's happening around you knock you off your center is
• 29:45
  something that comes with time. It's not something you earn.
• 29:49
  It's something that kind of happens to you.
• 29:53
  You know, it's not something that you really work hard
• 29:55
  towards. It's you can't really work so
• 29:57
  hard towards it. When you work very hard towards
• 30:00
  it's, it's effort and this whole process of meditation, going
• 30:05
  deeper and scanning is a process of effortlessness.
• 30:09
  You know, you just let go, you just completely let go of
• 30:12
  everything. And that's when you can log into
• 30:15
  that dimension. But with that effort that, oh, I
• 30:17
  want that, I want that, I want that.
• 30:20
  It's not, it's not the way to get there.
• 30:23
  So it starts with an intention, of course, that I want to go
• 30:26
  there. Then the first step is you learn
• 30:29
  sky breath meditation. You, you meditate, you start
• 30:33
  cultivating that refineness of refine that consciousness and
• 30:38
  then immediately you start gravitating towards that.
• 30:41
  You see it every day. You see that difference, and
• 30:44
  when you're ready, you're ready. How many life scans have you
• 30:48
  done for other people to date? Hundreds.
• 30:52
  We were going to do a demo of the life scan.
• 30:54
  Would you still like to do that? Yeah, sure, if you're open to
• 30:58
  them, I am. OK, sure.
• 31:02
  So it's very simple process. If I see something, I will share
• 31:04
  it with you. But otherwise, if you have any
• 31:07
  questions that are bothering you that's on your mind, you can
• 31:10
  also ask those questions. OK.
• 31:15
  So you can sit with your eyes closed if you like, or you can
• 31:17
  you can keep them open. Either ways.
• 31:20
  You can ask any questions as if I'm not here, you can just ask.
• 31:24
  It's it's a conversation if you will take a deep breath in and
• 31:27
  out. How do you feel when you go
• 31:29
  close to a big body of water? Peaceful.
• 31:38
  Do you feel sometimes that there's so much potential but
• 31:43
  you're not landing it like it's there's so much you can do, but
• 31:46
  but you're not you're not living your full potential.
• 31:48
  You get that. Thoughts.
• 31:52
  Yes, more frequently when I was younger and now less so.
• 32:04
  Did a lot of comparison happen when you were growing up?
• 32:08
  No, strangely, actually. Your vitamin D is OK.
• 32:20
  Yes. You pay attention to it.
• 32:25
  Yes. You feel like you want to write
• 32:32
  something. Yes.
• 32:39
  You write, you begin writing. You will.
• 32:45
  Don't worry about if you don't have ultimate clarity.
• 32:48
  Don't wait. Do you see yourself sometimes
• 32:50
  waiting for like the perfect moment, everything to align
• 32:57
  before you can take the next step?
• 33:01
  Yes and no. You, you be open to it.
• 33:07
  You don't wait for perfection. You, you just, you start
• 33:10
  writing. A lot of people will benefit
• 33:12
  from that. You write.
• 33:13
  Do you have a sister? I don't have a sister.
• 33:17
  Or like someone, a friend or cousin.
• 33:21
  Someone you're very close to. Like a woman.
• 33:25
  A woman or have good friends who are women.
• 33:33
  Do you have any questions? Yes.
• 33:45
  Am I on the right path of my life?
• 33:58
  You've been asking that question a lot yourself.
• 34:05
  Yeah. You, you operate from the space.
• 34:07
  You, you be free. You be free.
• 34:11
  You be completely free. You be natural.
• 34:16
  You go out there and don't. You do different things, you
• 34:23
  execute different things. Don't worry about the
• 34:25
  consequences. You just do it.
• 34:31
  Your time changes after June. A lot of things you've been
• 34:37
  planning for you may feel like those things are shifting, those
• 34:41
  things are changing. Do you sometimes feel kind of
• 34:45
  getting slowed down or stuck between the right and the wrong
• 34:50
  that kind of feelings And this is that judgement comes of of
• 34:54
  this is so wrong that I and you kind of you don't want to get
• 34:58
  associated with that and that kind of slows you down.
• 35:01
  The sense of right and wrong is. Is that too strong for you?
• 35:07
  The sense of right and wrong. You feel sometimes that that the
• 35:12
  thought of something that's not, not, not right.
• 35:16
  You want to just completely stay away from it.
• 35:18
  Sometimes you say, OK, it's there.
• 35:20
  I'll just move, move around and keep walking.
• 35:22
  You know, do you find yourself in the first set where you it
• 35:27
  kind of slows you down. OK.
• 35:30
  You're wrong. Wrong around you.
• 35:33
  I think I'm now in the second category, which is accepting
• 35:38
  that there are wrong things and having to navigate it.
• 35:44
  But there's a point, there was a point where you would you would
• 35:48
  get stuck in it. What happened a lot before?
• 35:52
  Yes. There's some old impressions,
• 35:57
  yeah. Do you like movies?
• 36:06
  I do like movies, yes. You wanted to make one.
• 36:14
  No, actually, I've never wanted to make a movie before.
• 36:18
  You can you can pursue that like a documentary or something that
• 36:22
  a visual form of communication will will really it's it's
• 36:26
  something your strength, it'll be perceived well.
• 36:34
  I do have a question for you, What kind of skills that I have
• 36:41
  do you think I should lean into more in the future?
• 36:46
  Your writing and communication for sure.
• 36:48
  The ability to paint a picture, the ability to communicate
• 36:52
  through through storytelling. And why is that important for
• 36:55
  the future? That's where you will grow.
• 36:59
  That's where that's your way. It comes very natural to you.
• 37:03
  So you won't feel like an effort.
• 37:05
  You'll enjoy that as you grow, as you grow older, you'll enjoy
• 37:08
  that. It'll bring you a lot of
• 37:10
  satisfaction, bring you that, that comfort as you do more, as
• 37:16
  you touch more lives. You be careful when you trust
• 37:19
  people only to trusting you. Just you know you do your
• 37:23
  homework before making big decisions you may have already
• 37:27
  experienced. Sorry.
• 37:30
  Go ahead. I was going to ask, are there
• 37:33
  particular scenarios that you were seeing that?
• 37:36
  You may have already experienced where you felt like there was
• 37:41
  some regret or some trust that was betrayed, like that kind of
• 37:43
  thing that you, you, you felt that you were too naive.
• 37:46
  That kind of feeling you'd be as as life moves on you, you'd be a
• 37:50
  little more aware of of not getting yourself into situations
• 37:57
  like those. Thank you.
• 38:06
  Thank you. I think before we started I
• 38:12
  actually felt a bit scared. I wasn't sure why, but yes, I
• 38:16
  was a very interesting experience.
• 38:18
  Thank you for doing that. Yeah, you're welcome.
• 38:21
  How do you feel now? I think before I was feeling
• 38:24
  curious and scared and now I feel very peaceful.
• 38:31
  Scared because, because not knowing what this could bring up
• 38:35
  that that's scared. I think I had a lot of
• 38:38
  preconceived ideas of how useful or not useful in my opinion I
• 38:43
  thought that this could be, and I was also, yes, scared of what
• 38:48
  could be brought up. But I am glad that we were able
• 38:52
  to share that experience together.
• 38:56
  I'm glad you enjoyed it. Yes, thank you.
• 39:00
  This is just, this is just tapping into consciousness.
• 39:03
  You know, this is not like, this is very, this is not like a
• 39:07
  psychic or a medium or anything like that.
• 39:09
  You know, this is, this is purely a deep dive into
• 39:13
  consciousness. It's a very meditative process.
• 39:18
  Actually this leads on to my next question, which is how is
• 39:21
  this different for a general listener who might not have
• 39:24
  heard of this before? How is a live scan and tapping
• 39:26
  into your consciousness different to going to see a
• 39:30
  psychic for example? I've never been to a psychic, so
• 39:32
  I don't know that, but what what I've heard is that you know,
• 39:39
  theirs is not. It's not very.
• 39:41
  I shouldn't put anyone down, but this one is.
• 39:44
  I should just say it's you are reflecting your own self.
• 39:47
  You're reflecting the consciousness.
• 39:49
  That's something that what connects you and me is the
• 39:52
  consciousness. That's, that's one thing that is
• 39:54
  common across us is that that's the same thing that you, me and
• 39:58
  the rest of the humanity, all the events and everything that's
• 40:01
  here now and happened before and it's going to happen in the
• 40:04
  future. All that is tied through one
• 40:06
  single thread is, is consciousness.
• 40:09
  When you go deeper into it, a lot more opens up.
• 40:14
  In the other modalities, you're connecting into some dimensions,
• 40:19
  you're connecting into some voices, you're connecting into
• 40:21
  some spirits. I don't know all those things.
• 40:24
  It is not. It is not this, it is not so
• 40:28
  scientific, in my opinion. Kushal That was a really
• 40:33
  interesting conversation. Also, experience, I don't think
• 40:36
  it was one that I would have ever expected having on the Last
• 40:40
  Rd. podcast, but I really appreciate you coming on and
• 40:43
  giving up your time here. Let me end by asking you our
• 40:47
  podcast staple, which is what is one thing that you believe will
• 40:51
  allow more people to have better mental health?
• 40:55
  Meditate, learn to meditate, learn to tap into yourself and
• 40:59
  to be in touch with yourself and all these mental health issues
• 41:03
  that we're facing around us, anxiety, depression, negative
• 41:07
  tendencies. You'll just see that all that is
• 41:10
  just like like waves on the on the surface.
• 41:14
  When you dive deeper, it's just stillness, calm and all those
• 41:17
  things don't matter. It just brings that strength,
• 41:20
  that courage to move through without, without getting tossed
• 41:26
  around. So I cannot stress how important
• 41:31
  it is in today's day and age too, to just develop.
• 41:36
  We spend so much time about everything around us, but this
• 41:41
  body, this mind, we don't spend any time in our mental hygiene.
• 41:44
  So it's just that mental hygiene.
• 41:47
  Wonderful. Thank you for sharing, Kushao.
• 41:49
  It's been a pleasure to have you on the Loader Grow podcast.
• 41:53
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