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The Survival of Mary Vincent · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: What if you were given a choice, a choice between
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Speaker 1: life and death, but choosing life would mean enduring pain
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Speaker 1: beyond comprehension. This is the survival story of Mary Vincent.
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Speaker 1: The odds were most certainly not her favor, but when
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Speaker 1: her attacker left her for dead after throwing her down
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Speaker 1: a thirty foot embankment, she made a choice, a choice
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Speaker 1: to choose life, a choice to not let evil prevail.
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Speaker 2: Good warning the following podcast the graphic content materials in
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Speaker 2: audience listener, just question. Hey guys, it's Nicole and this has.
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Speaker 1: Been and you are listening to Wicked and Grim, a
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Speaker 1: true crime podcast.
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Speaker 2: And just like that, we have a new intro boom
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Speaker 2: boom boom. That was pretty pretty slick, well done.
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Speaker 1: Oh shit, well I had to take a few takes.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie because you can't fumble on a
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Speaker 1: fucking intro like that.
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Speaker 2: Well, third times a charm, though you nailed it on
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Speaker 2: the third attempt. Yeah, there you go. It's kind of exciting. Actually,
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Speaker 2: I enjoyed that. Yeah. I think it's a little little
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Speaker 2: interesting way to give you guys a bit of a
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Speaker 2: feeler for what we're gonna be talking about today.
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Speaker 1: Instead of always being.
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Speaker 2: Like, hey, it's Nicoll. Yeah. So and then sifting through
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Speaker 2: our little bit of an intro of like yeapping and
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Speaker 2: catching guys up on stuff, which we're still gonna do totally,
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Speaker 2: but this way you at least get that understanding and what's.
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Speaker 1: To come, yeah, and it kind of gets your little
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Speaker 1: excitement of what's to come.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the blood flowing, the thought's going, you know, and
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Speaker 2: the nerves and the hair in the back of your
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Speaker 2: next standing up because no one likes to hear that
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Speaker 2: kind of shit, because that's why you guys here listening.
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Speaker 1: I'm very excited. I was a little jelly of your
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Speaker 1: survival story, so I had to had to do one
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Speaker 1: of my am because it's kind of fun to research.
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Speaker 2: Actually, I think we should do some more survival stories.
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Speaker 1: When the outcome isn't super gram, it's kind of nice.
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Speaker 2: It was, and it was actually really awesome to talk
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Speaker 2: about someone who had strength like that and actually to
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Speaker 2: come out on top. Oh so powerful stuff, no kidding.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll definitely be doing some more survival stories,
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Speaker 2: and you guys should send us a request on survival story.
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Speaker 2: If you guys have survival stories you want to hear specifically,
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Speaker 2: hit us up, whether it's an email or whether it's
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Speaker 2: an Instagram or something like that, just tell.
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Speaker 1: Us we did get a couple after the last one,
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Speaker 1: because I think people enjoyed it, so yeah, yes, a.
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Speaker 2: Little more uplifting than hearing well, and then they fucking
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Speaker 2: died and that sucks because that does fucking suck. Oh
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Speaker 2: my gosh, well that's one way. Well it does. It
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Speaker 2: fucking sucks here in that right, So yeah, over and over.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just wanted to note before I forget.
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Speaker 1: So last week we put two episodes out, yes, and
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Speaker 1: the second one was the Lacy Peterson case, and that
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Speaker 1: one is actually showing up below. What was your case again, Alison?
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Speaker 2: I have fuck what's your last name? Oh no?
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Speaker 1: Oh no, Yeah, so that Alison one came out first,
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Speaker 1: and then Lacy Peterson, but it is showing in like
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Speaker 1: a reversed order, So don't be mad at us. We
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Speaker 1: did actually put two out there, just in that weird order.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and thank you for putting me on the spot there.
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Speaker 2: You know I'm fucking horrible with names.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you do it to me all the fucking time.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, So I guess I got what's coming to me. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I did want to touch on something else though. We've
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Speaker 2: had a lot of questions over the last month or
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Speaker 2: so about if we're going to be making an appearance
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Speaker 2: at Crime Con in Las Vegas coming up this week. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: we are not going to be in attendance at Crime con. However,
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Speaker 2: we're thinking that we might see if we can maybe
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Speaker 2: make an appearance next year. We're not guaranteeing anything because
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Speaker 2: I mean, being up here in Canada and having to
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Speaker 2: make the trip all the way down to Las Vegas,
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Speaker 2: and especially with how COVID is playing out, who knows
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Speaker 2: what it's going to be like next year. But we'll see,
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Speaker 2: we'll see if maybe next year it could be the
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Speaker 2: year that will make ourselves a little bit of public
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Speaker 2: appearance there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I love Vegas. Super funny though went completely
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Speaker 2: us up. Kind of story.
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Speaker 1: Rejuvenated my true crime juices by doing a I like,
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Speaker 1: a good one.
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Speaker 2: A good one, A good one. Maybe not being sick
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Speaker 1: That's actually very true. Not that like other ones aren't
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Speaker 1: good and stuff, but it's just like the outcome is
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Speaker 1: kind of nice.
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Speaker 2: It's nice.
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Speaker 1: It's a nice feeling. Okay, so let's dive in here,
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Speaker 1: let's hear it. So it was September twenty ninth, nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventy eight, when fifteen year old Mary Vincent decided to
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Speaker 1: run away from home.
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Speaker 2: Wow, fifteen, Hey, I know, that's so little. That's so little.
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Speaker 2: That's like a child. It is a child. I was
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Speaker 2: literally obsessed with Pokemon at fifteen and dragon ball Z.
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Speaker 2: I'm thirty four and I'm still obsessed with those things. Yeah, all,
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Speaker 2: you haven't changed, Yeah, never mind? Oh okay.
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Speaker 1: And speaking of Las Vegas, she was living in Las
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Speaker 1: Vegas at the time with her parents, who it was reported,
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Speaker 1: were going through a messy divorce. Mary was one of
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Speaker 1: seven children, and I think she had just had enough.
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Speaker 1: She decided she needed some time away and would hitchhike
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Speaker 1: to calif Wow, brave. She made it some way to Berkeley, California.
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Speaker 1: But her final destination was Oh, I wrote that wrong here, Sorry,
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Speaker 1: I'm already like.
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Speaker 2: Wellna, I just want to say that. I was all
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Speaker 2: like thinking final destination like the movies as soon as
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Speaker 2: you said that, so that's where my brain went. Oh okay, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: her final destination was there boom done, Just kidding what
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Speaker 2: that didn't make any sense. First of all, I was
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Speaker 2: trying to buy you time to look up when you're
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Speaker 2: talking about and you just stared at me the whole time.
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Speaker 2: And two, you clearly haven't seen Final Destination because the
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Speaker 2: movie you feel like I have.
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Speaker 1: We are, okay, we need to stop with this. Every
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Speaker 1: podcast where I'm in trouble for shit.
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Speaker 2: I haven't watched it.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, her final freaking destination was Corona, California, where
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Speaker 1: her grandfather lived.
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Speaker 2: Oh, Corona, California. Corona. Oh, when you said Corona, I
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Speaker 2: thought you were just like blaming COVID for some for
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Speaker 2: you to forget.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure it how you pronounce Corona.
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Speaker 1: Now I should mention though a lot of reports have
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Speaker 1: different variances of those events, and I freaking hate that
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Speaker 1: one researching so some said she was leaving her grandfather's
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Speaker 1: home and on route back to Las Vegas, rather than
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Speaker 1: like her going to California. But either way, it's not
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Speaker 1: super important because it does not change the trajectory of
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Speaker 1: what is to happen. But I just thought I should
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Speaker 1: knowe that.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So Mary was standing on the side of the road
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Speaker 1: waiting for someone to stop and offer her a ride,
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Speaker 1: which is when Lawrence Singleton comes into the picture. He
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Speaker 1: slowed down his van. One report showed it is a
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Speaker 1: white van with no windows in the back, so basically
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Speaker 1: like a pedophile van. Like nowadays, that would just make
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Speaker 1: you run for the hills, But I don't know if
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Speaker 1: it would in the seventies.
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Speaker 2: Like I was just about to say, of course he's
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Speaker 2: driving a van and it's probably white too. Yeah, and yeah,
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Speaker 2: of course, Okay.
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Speaker 1: I also think hitchhiking was way more of a thing
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Speaker 1: in the seventies. Yeah, it was, But cases like this,
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Speaker 1: which is a big old hint for you, is what's
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Speaker 1: made it not quite as a desirable mode of transportation nowadays.
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Oh God.
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Speaker 1: Don't hitchhike, please, for the love of God, whatever you do,
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Speaker 1: don't hitchhike. Yeah, you never know who that is today's lesson.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So, Lawrence was described as having a kind smile and
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Speaker 1: presented a family man demeanor. He was a merchant seaman
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Speaker 1: by trade, recently divorced by his second wife, and had
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Speaker 1: a daughter around Mary's age, which he promptly shared with Mary.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure making her feel pretty comfortable, right, Like, oh
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Speaker 1: my goodness, this guy is like a father figure. He
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Speaker 1: has a daughter the same age as me. Like, he's
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Speaker 1: obviously good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, building up a report, building up relationship, seeming relatable,
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was apparently heading to Reno, said he'd change.
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Speaker 1: He'd happily, happily change, of course, to take her to
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Speaker 1: the direction she was wanting to go, which I don't
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Speaker 1: think is often how hitchhiking works.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's suspicious.
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Speaker 1: A little bit on the suspicious side.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I'll just go ahead and give you a drive.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there's people out there who are
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Speaker 2: willing to do that, but I don't think you should
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Speaker 2: trust them. No, if someone's willing to go that far
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Speaker 2: out of your way just off on a whim. When
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Speaker 2: they just pick you up on the side of the road,
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Speaker 2: there's probably ulterior motives, whether it's to murder you or
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Speaker 2: just maybe they are just extremely hitting on you, But
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Speaker 2: there's ulterior motives.
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Speaker 1: I would say, so, yes, yeah, But Mary unfortunately accepted
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Speaker 1: this and got into the van with Lawrence.
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Speaker 2: Damn.
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Speaker 1: The ride started off fine. Mary was being taken in
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Speaker 1: the direction she was going she wanted to go, and
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Speaker 1: all seemed, well, this is really messed up. Though it
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Speaker 1: wasn't until she sneezed that the first red flag would
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Speaker 1: be raised. I mean, there's already been kind of some
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Speaker 1: red flags. Mary apparently lit a cigarette, sneezed, and Lawrence
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Speaker 1: reached over to feel her neck area, asking if she
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Speaker 1: was sick.
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Speaker 2: What the fuck like that's kind of fucked up? Yeah, no, kidding,
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Speaker 2: kind of.
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Speaker 1: Weird, but maybe kind of if he thought she was sick,
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Speaker 1: he wouldn't have offered to give her a ride, Like,
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Speaker 1: I understand that I don't want to stick motherfucker in
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Speaker 1: my vehicle, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, But why would someone's instinct be to reach over
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Speaker 2: and grab your neck area when you're sick. Okay, Well,
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't grab the neck, but i'd be like, are
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Speaker 2: you sick? Are you sick? Neck area? You said neck? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: like just like felt her neck, Okay, because I'm like,
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Speaker 2: when you said neck area, I'm thinking like kind of collarbone,
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Speaker 2: which could be like strangling. Well, if you're going for neck,
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking strangling. If you're going lower towards collarbone and
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Speaker 2: towards chest, I'm thinking So when you said neck area,
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking between those two areas. Okay.
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Speaker 1: No, it was like neck, Okay, like feel I don't
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Speaker 1: know what exactly he was feeling for, Okay, if someone
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Speaker 1: was sick, I guess your neck could be swollen.
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Speaker 2: But that's a little bit weird. Okay. So it was
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Speaker 2: a little more like aggressive than like a sensual Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, it was not like sensual. I would
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Speaker 1: not I'm not what I gathered.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So this alarmed her. And as she didn't like physical contact, like,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anyone will like that. But
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Speaker 1: soon she was able to relax again, and she decided
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Speaker 1: to take a nap. Oh, don't take a nap.
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Speaker 2: Taking a nap in the stranger's white creepy van after
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Speaker 2: he just made a grabty neck. Okay, let's just keep
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Speaker 2: it wrong.
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Speaker 1: I know, I feel like I would do anything h
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Speaker 1: to stay awake in that moment.
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Speaker 2: But sometimes when you're tired, you're tired. Yeah, But if
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Speaker 2: you guys are ever finding yourself in a situation, don't
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Speaker 2: take the nap. Don't nap, don't nap. You're probably gonna
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Speaker 2: want to open the door, tuck and roll, or eat
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Speaker 2: a snack. When I had you should everything eat, that is.
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Speaker 1: But when I have trouble, like staying awake, like watching
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Speaker 1: a movie, I just need a snack.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay.
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Speaker 1: So when she woke up from her nap, she would
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Speaker 1: realize they were not continuing on the route she was expecting.
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Speaker 2: Them to travel. Should have had that snack, Yes.
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Speaker 1: She should have had that snack. This would put her
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Speaker 1: on the edge. Scared and angry. She found a sharp
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Speaker 1: stick in the car and pointed it at Lawrence demanding
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Speaker 1: he turned the van around and take her where she
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Speaker 1: was wanting to go for fifteen years old, though, I
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Speaker 1: honestly feel like that's quite impressive.
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Speaker 2: No kidding, balls on her, that's impressive. Yeah, good on you, girl.
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Speaker 1: Lawrence apparently calmly apologized and reassured Mary it was just
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Speaker 1: an honest mistake.
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Speaker 2: Just an honest mistake. Okay.
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Speaker 1: She believed him, and the ride continued.
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Speaker 2: Well, Devil's advocate here, even though I know I'm wrong,
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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to understand her point of view. Someone
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Speaker 2: you just met hopping in the vehicle. Maybe he misunderstood
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Speaker 2: the direction that you want to go. Maybe he thought
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Speaker 2: you said something and not another thing. Depending on how
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Speaker 2: much they discussed it, he could have honestly just taken
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Speaker 2: a wrong turn as well. Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't know where the fuck he was going.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm not saying it's unreasonable for her to
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Speaker 2: trust him again after he says it's an honest mistake,
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Speaker 2: because it's very plausible that if this was not a
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Speaker 2: serial killer true crime podcast case, it could have been
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Speaker 2: an honest missake. It could have been, Yes, but it
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Speaker 2: was another red fleck. Yes, right of course.
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Speaker 1: And if that hadn't put her on edge enough to
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Speaker 1: somehow like if only that had put her on edge
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Speaker 1: story enough to have removed her from that situation, like
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Speaker 1: I just wish. At one point, Lawrence stopped the man
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Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom, so Mary decided to take
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Speaker 1: this opportunity as well to stretch her legs. She was
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Speaker 1: outside outside of the van stretching her legs. She noticed
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Speaker 1: that her shoe was untied, so she leaned down to
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Speaker 1: tie it back up.
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Speaker 2: He's coming up behind her, isn't he.
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Speaker 1: As she was doing this, Lawrence snuck up behind her
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Speaker 1: and stuck struck her across the head with a hammer.
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Speaker 2: With a hammer with a hammerly escalated that.
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Speaker 1: Alone could have killed her really, like getting hit on
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Speaker 1: the back of your head could kill you quite easily, okay.
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Speaker 1: He then forced his penis into her mouth and told
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Speaker 1: her to perform oral sex or else she would die.
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Speaker 2: This fucking skis bag like it real escalates here? Wow, okay, wow.
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Speaker 1: From here, it doesn't get any better much worse. Actually,
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Speaker 1: Lawrence drags Mary to the back of the van, where
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Speaker 1: he rapes her, telling her not to scream or he'll
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Speaker 1: kill her. He was making it very clear that she
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Speaker 1: must obey him if she wanted to leave. After bounding
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Speaker 1: Mary's hands behind her, Lawrence drives her a while before
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Speaker 1: eventually stopping and cuts Mary free in his van. We're
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Speaker 1: not particularly sure what it was, but Lawrence had some
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Speaker 1: sort of unknown drink in a plastic jug, probably alcohol,
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Speaker 1: but who knows if there was some sort of drug
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Speaker 1: in there as well, right, he forced Mary to drink it.
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Speaker 1: The drink made Mary woozy and confused. Lawrence then rapes
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Speaker 1: her once again, repeatedly, actually fuck until she passes out. Wow,
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Speaker 1: like a disgusting piece of trash.
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Speaker 2: There are so many levels of absolute fucking I don't
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Speaker 2: even know how to explain it to this.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, Okay, like the fact that like he's disgusting, like
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Speaker 1: just so disgusting. But also the fact that he has
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Speaker 1: like a daughter the same age as Mary almost like
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Speaker 1: brings this up a level.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was going through my head there,
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Speaker 2: because it's not only that he's like, oh, you know
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Speaker 2: she's young and playing off maybe like oh I didn't
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Speaker 2: know how young she was. No, they have that conversation
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Speaker 2: of my daughters around your age. So he went into
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Speaker 2: this targeting that specifically.
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Speaker 1: Which is just beyond disgusting.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and then after that he goes on to do
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Speaker 2: all this fucking horrific shit to her. Yep, wow, yeah, wow,
18:42
Speaker 2: Like he's a real winner.
18:43
Speaker 1: Like just you freaking wait, by the end of this,
18:45
Speaker 1: you're gonna despise him.
18:47
Speaker 2: Yeah. We're probably just scratching the surface, aren't we. Yep,
18:50
Speaker 2: all right.
18:51
Speaker 1: When she regained consciousness sometime later, the terror was not
18:56
Speaker 1: even close to being over. She pleaded, like pleaded with
19:01
Speaker 1: Lawrence to set her free. He ordered her to lie
19:05
Speaker 1: on the edge of the road. I should mention too,
19:07
Speaker 1: I haven't mentioned this yet, but at this point, like
19:09
Speaker 1: she's buck naked, like completely naked, I assumed. He then
19:13
Speaker 1: begins to say, you want to be free, I'll set
19:17
Speaker 1: you free, and heads over to the van to grab something.
19:21
Speaker 2: Oh shit.
19:22
Speaker 1: He returns with an axe and proceeds to hold Mary
19:27
Speaker 1: down as she struggles, and chops her right arm off.
19:32
Speaker 2: Fuck.
19:34
Speaker 1: He then moves on to her other arm and chops
19:38
Speaker 1: it off right.
19:39
Speaker 2: Below the elbow.
19:40
Speaker 1: Holy shit, that's like it's even tough to say, Like
19:45
Speaker 1: I can't even believe that someone would do that. Like
19:47
Speaker 1: Mary is literally living a horror movie.
19:50
Speaker 2: Right now. I'm like, I'm only a fraction of mind you,
19:54
Speaker 2: but I'm feeling like those hits as we're speaking right now,
19:58
Speaker 2: Like I'm not feeling the pain, but I'm like the
20:00
Speaker 2: discomfort of like, wow, okay, I.
20:03
Speaker 1: Mean it wasn't like it's an axe, like so he
20:06
Speaker 1: was chopping, like it wasn't like one hit and like
20:10
Speaker 1: it's off. Yeah, Like I honestly the pain that that
20:15
Speaker 1: that that would be Oh, I just I.
20:18
Speaker 2: Just can't holy shit. Okay wow. He then throws, could
20:22
Speaker 2: have warned us heavy, it's heavy. It's heavy. Yeah, no kidding,
20:27
Speaker 2: everything we cover is heavy. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You
20:31
Speaker 2: have a warning at the beginning. Do you need me
20:33
Speaker 2: to repeat it for you? No, No, you're right. There
20:35
Speaker 2: is definitely a warning at the beginning. But I was
20:37
Speaker 2: not prepared. Okay, I got my big boy pants on.
20:40
Speaker 2: We can do.
20:41
Speaker 1: I don't think I shared really anything of this case
20:43
Speaker 1: with you, So no, I didn't. Sorry, I should have
20:46
Speaker 1: warned you.
20:47
Speaker 2: It's good, It's all good.
20:49
Speaker 1: He then throws Mary's naked and battered body down a
20:53
Speaker 1: thirty foot embankment and stuffs are into a concrete pipe, saying, okay,
21:00
Speaker 1: you're free. What leaving her there to die. I'm sure
21:06
Speaker 1: in his mind there was zero chance that she would survive. Yeah,
21:11
Speaker 1: what he had done to her.
21:13
Speaker 2: Well, clearly. If there's anything that we just learned from
21:15
Speaker 2: Alice and BOTHA, people can survive some incredible things. People
21:19
Speaker 2: are amazing. Yeah. And if there's anything I've ever learned
21:23
Speaker 2: from cinema is if someone leaves someone to die, there
21:27
Speaker 2: is a chance they will not die. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah,
21:31
Speaker 2: So we've had that conversation on any moment. Oh, if
21:34
Speaker 2: they don't show the person actually dying, they're not dead,
21:37
Speaker 2: I know. And you remind me of that so often
21:40
Speaker 2: because I'm like no, and I'm like, they didn't show
21:42
Speaker 2: the death dead.
21:46
Speaker 1: Okay, So now being that this is a badass victim
21:48
Speaker 1: survival case, I have said that clearly. I have a
21:51
Speaker 1: quote I wanted to share from Mary herself.
21:53
Speaker 2: She's clearly the badass.
21:55
Speaker 1: Of the day, right, more than the badass of the day. Yeah,
21:59
Speaker 1: like whoa. She says, he threw me off a cliff.
22:03
Speaker 1: I should have broken bones, I should have bled to death.
22:07
Speaker 1: I didn't, and I never passed out. I remember everything.
22:11
Speaker 1: I wanted to give up and go to sleep, but
22:13
Speaker 1: I felt someone there with me a presence who wanted
22:17
Speaker 1: me to survive, a voice that told me get up
22:20
Speaker 1: and get help or someone else would die.
22:24
Speaker 2: Wow. So she's not doing this for herself, no, no,
22:28
Speaker 2: holy shit.
22:29
Speaker 1: Her her fight to survive was basically so this monster
22:33
Speaker 1: wouldn't do this to someone else, which is incredible.
22:38
Speaker 2: That is beyond incredible. Like you're at your lowest of
22:41
Speaker 2: your low and your.
22:42
Speaker 1: Mindset is to like save someone, save someone else, like wow, wow, shit.
22:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a fifteen year old girl. Yeah oh yeah.
22:52
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing that's mind blowing is that
22:54
Speaker 1: she was fifteen.
22:55
Speaker 2: I can't believe she didn't even pass out. Yeah. Wow,
22:58
Speaker 2: I stubbed my toe and I'm like, kill me please.
23:02
Speaker 1: I know. This just makes me feel like sometimes I
23:05
Speaker 1: should just never complain about anything.
23:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding, but wow, Okay, continue.
23:10
Speaker 1: So I should mention too that the area Mary ended
23:14
Speaker 1: up being in was Dell Porta Canyon. Okay, So Mary
23:19
Speaker 1: miss mustered the strength to stand up and walk herself
23:23
Speaker 1: out of this situation. Wow, and she had Okay, get this,
23:28
Speaker 1: she had some amazing survival skills because she ended up
23:33
Speaker 1: shoving the ends of her arms into mud to suppress
23:38
Speaker 1: the bleeding.
23:39
Speaker 2: Holy shit. Yeah, Wow, that is some good fucking instincts.
23:43
Speaker 1: Because I don't I don't think that I would thought
23:45
Speaker 1: of that.
23:45
Speaker 2: I don't think I would have thought of that either, Like,
23:48
Speaker 2: I like, that's just wow. Wow. H I would have
23:51
Speaker 2: been like I would have been trying to stop the bleeding,
23:53
Speaker 2: but I don't think I would have ever thought.
23:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you would have elevated, Yeah, but I don't
23:56
Speaker 1: know if you would like because like I mean, she
23:59
Speaker 1: would have had to been like submerging them. Like it's
24:02
Speaker 1: not like she can use her freaking hand to coat it.
24:04
Speaker 2: And shaitaking a raw stop and grinding it into blood yep.
24:11
Speaker 2: Holy fuck? Is she like Superwoman? I know? Right? Wow.
24:17
Speaker 1: She then followed the sounds of the nearby freeway, all
24:22
Speaker 1: while she was raising her arms as well above her
24:24
Speaker 1: head to keep the blading to a minimum. From the
24:28
Speaker 1: concrete pipe to her rescue. It was said she walked
24:31
Speaker 1: a total of three miles in the state that she
24:34
Speaker 1: was in. Shit like that is an eternity and let
24:39
Speaker 1: me refresh your memory. Because she had been hit on
24:42
Speaker 1: the back of the head initially repeatedly raped basically over
24:46
Speaker 1: the span of the night, forced to drink some sort
24:49
Speaker 1: of alcohol substance and had her arms chopped off with
24:52
Speaker 1: an axe. Wow, I mean, I don't know. I I
24:58
Speaker 1: honestly like I sepo, I think would be like I'm done,
25:02
Speaker 1: I'm out right.
25:04
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow.
25:07
Speaker 1: So I believe like the presence of someone must have
25:09
Speaker 1: been with her, like she said, because that is impressive.
25:12
Speaker 2: That's superhuman, That's what that is.
25:15
Speaker 1: The first people she came across on the freeway, unfortunately,
25:19
Speaker 1: after getting a glimpse of her, sped away in fear.
25:22
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
25:24
Speaker 1: I mean? She would have been a sight. She was
25:26
Speaker 1: completely nude, covered in blood and mud, not to mention
25:30
Speaker 1: what the severed limbs would look like. She would have
25:34
Speaker 1: been like a terrifying site. And she even later says
25:37
Speaker 1: she doesn't blame them.
25:39
Speaker 2: She would have been a terrifying site, for sure. I
25:42
Speaker 2: understand that. But someone who literally has their arms lopped off,
25:48
Speaker 2: what are they going to do?
25:49
Speaker 1: I know she would not have been of any threat
25:52
Speaker 1: threat that's the word. But like maybe like she like
25:56
Speaker 1: didn't even look human, really like she would have looked
25:58
Speaker 1: like she was from like a scary movie.
26:00
Speaker 2: Still, I don't know. So that they rove around her,
26:05
Speaker 2: I know, nuts ship there's a few parallels to their stories.
26:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, then she came across a couple who was traveling
26:14
Speaker 1: on vacation, and they did stop to help her. The
26:18
Speaker 1: saints that they were wrapped her in linens from their
26:21
Speaker 1: car and drove to a nearby airport where they could
26:25
Speaker 1: call an ambulance for help. At that point, all the
26:28
Speaker 1: strength Mary could muster was to keep saying that he
26:31
Speaker 1: raped me repeatedly.
26:34
Speaker 2: Fuck poor girl. Holy shit.
26:37
Speaker 1: Once Mary got to the hospital, her bad assery continued,
26:41
Speaker 1: and she immediately started working with the police to help
26:45
Speaker 1: and find her attacker, even postponing her sleep and rest
26:50
Speaker 1: to get shit done. Wow, they drew a sketch. So
26:54
Speaker 1: the sketch that was drawn of Lawrence was so detailed
26:57
Speaker 1: that once it was released to the media. Yeah, he
27:01
Speaker 1: was immediately recognized and reported to the police, really immediately.
27:06
Speaker 2: Do we know who recognized him and reported him?
27:09
Speaker 1: Some like, there's a lot of things that were reports
27:12
Speaker 1: say different stuff, but the main one said that it
27:15
Speaker 1: was his neighbor who was also like a friend of his. Okay, shit,
27:21
Speaker 1: so I meant, I mean, at that point I think
27:24
Speaker 1: it'd be friends off.
27:25
Speaker 2: Well, imagine being like, oh shit, that's my neighbor and friend.
27:30
Speaker 2: Imagine the fucking horror going through your head. You report them, though,
27:34
Speaker 2: wuldn't you? Oh? Fuck yeah, yeah, report them? But I
27:38
Speaker 2: would be like, I've been friends with this person, I've
27:41
Speaker 2: been close with this person. What could they have done
27:43
Speaker 2: to me? This person has a fifteen year old daughter,
27:45
Speaker 2: same age as what he just did. This fucking unbelievable
27:50
Speaker 2: shit to this person. What has he done to this family? Like,
27:53
Speaker 2: oh my god?
27:54
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Lawrence was then tracked down and arrested. There
28:01
Speaker 1: isn't a ton of information in regards to his trial.
28:05
Speaker 1: He claimed that Mary was a ten dollars a night whorer,
28:09
Speaker 1: so a sex worker, and didn't take any responsibility for
28:14
Speaker 1: the crime he committed, which honestly isn't really surprising.
28:17
Speaker 2: No, he just got even lower and I didn't think
28:20
Speaker 2: that was possible.
28:21
Speaker 1: Oh oh, just you fucking wait. He also claimed there
28:25
Speaker 1: had been someone else in the car, taking more blame
28:28
Speaker 1: off himself. Despite everything Mary had been through, she testified
28:34
Speaker 1: in court against Lawrence. Prior to court, she had been
28:38
Speaker 1: fitted with prosthetics, so in court she pointed one of
28:42
Speaker 1: her hooked prosthetic arms at Lawrence indicated who her attacker was.
28:48
Speaker 1: She never once referred to him by name, but always
28:52
Speaker 1: only as my attacker, which I do like. She never
28:55
Speaker 1: gave him the dignity of having a name. Really, it
28:59
Speaker 1: was just attack her.
29:00
Speaker 2: Well, he's not a person, and I.
29:03
Speaker 1: Even like hate saying his name.
29:05
Speaker 2: It's like she's literally taking the humanity away from him,
29:08
Speaker 2: which fucking shows even more strength on her. Like holy shit, yeap, wow,
29:13
Speaker 2: this girl is fucking awesome.
29:15
Speaker 1: Holy shit, love, she's amazing. After testifying, Mary quickly left
29:21
Speaker 1: the courtroom. As she was leaving, Lawrence very quietly mentioned
29:25
Speaker 1: something to her. He later admitted that what he said
29:29
Speaker 1: to her was I'll finish this job if it takes
29:33
Speaker 1: me the rest of my life.
29:35
Speaker 2: Holy fuck, fuck this guy.
29:39
Speaker 1: I know, I know, like I it's unbelievable, Like it's
29:44
Speaker 1: almost unbelievable here. Lawrence was convicted of multiple charges, including kidnapping,
29:51
Speaker 1: tempted murder, and rape, and was sentenced to the maximum
29:56
Speaker 1: sentence of fourteen years.
29:59
Speaker 2: Why.
30:01
Speaker 1: The judge remarked that if they had the power, would
30:04
Speaker 1: have sent him away for his whole life for that years.
30:09
Speaker 1: That was at the time the maximum sentence he could
30:12
Speaker 1: have received.
30:13
Speaker 2: Rely, shit, and you said, he admitted to saying that
30:16
Speaker 2: he's going to finish the job.
30:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, holy fuck, it gets worsted. Just keep listening here.
30:24
Speaker 2: Oh Okay.
30:26
Speaker 1: Mary had a tough time. I mean, the age of
30:28
Speaker 1: around fifteen is hard enough without having gone through what
30:32
Speaker 1: she did. Yeah, like, you're kind of just learning who
30:34
Speaker 1: the fuck you are really. She had trouble with her family,
30:38
Speaker 1: a tough time at school, and felt isolated and attended
30:42
Speaker 1: therapy for years. As soon as Mary graduated, she moved
30:46
Speaker 1: from her home, but she was always very secretive about
30:50
Speaker 1: her life and location and had trouble leaving her house.
30:54
Speaker 2: Rightfully, so, especially when in fourteen years, this fucking slima
30:59
Speaker 2: was going to be there probably after you. Yeah, I'm
31:03
Speaker 2: waiting for it and I know what's going to be coming.
31:06
Speaker 1: She had a lot of fear towards Lawrence, which got
31:09
Speaker 1: real fresh once again when he was released from prison
31:14
Speaker 1: after serving eight years fuck of his fourteen year sentence.
31:19
Speaker 2: Now this is going to be basically part two of
31:22
Speaker 2: her fucking horror story, because now she has a killer
31:24
Speaker 2: chasing her the fuck down right.
31:26
Speaker 1: Not to them, no, no, fuck, not quite. He was
31:30
Speaker 1: released early for good behavior, what like, I honestly don't
31:35
Speaker 1: care if he was an angel in there, no kidding,
31:39
Speaker 1: There is no way he should have been released early,
31:41
Speaker 1: considering what he did and what he had said to
31:45
Speaker 1: Marry in the court room.
31:46
Speaker 2: You were like, I'm so angry, I honestly missed. How
31:50
Speaker 2: long did he actually serve? Eight years? Eight years? Eight years?
31:54
Speaker 2: Eight years? Fuck? And once he was released, guess what
31:59
Speaker 2: he did? Went and fucking chased her down.
32:01
Speaker 1: No, this is this is wild, he sued Mary. What okay,
32:08
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be laughing at your freaking we need to
32:11
Speaker 1: be recording your face here. He felt he was the
32:16
Speaker 1: victim in the attack against Mary, and sued her for
32:21
Speaker 1: forcible kidnap for the purpose of robbery. He claimed he
32:27
Speaker 1: considered the alleged events and knew he was not guilty,
32:31
Speaker 1: saying he remembered Mary threatening to accuse him of rape
32:36
Speaker 1: and that she had held a stick to him. He
32:39
Speaker 1: felt that was the reason he had become violent.
32:43
Speaker 2: So therefore that gives him the right to chop off
32:46
Speaker 2: both her arms, kick her down a fucking cliff, and
32:49
Speaker 2: store her in a culvert. Even if even if what
32:54
Speaker 2: he says is true, now he has gone from self
32:57
Speaker 2: defense to fucking attempted murderer. It's as simple as that.
33:03
Speaker 1: Like, honestly, that blew my mind that he literally had
33:09
Speaker 1: the audacity to turn this around and think he's the victim.
33:13
Speaker 2: We've talked about some fucking, absolutely aroundous people on this podcast,
33:17
Speaker 2: Absolutely fucking disgusting. I honestly think this is the worst
33:21
Speaker 2: fucking excuse for a human being who's I've ever even
33:24
Speaker 2: learned about.
33:25
Speaker 1: Oh just yeah, wait till you see him. He just
33:27
Speaker 1: is disgusting. He's disgusting.
33:29
Speaker 2: Holy fuck.
33:30
Speaker 1: Thankfully the suit never gained traction and the courts dismissed it. Yeah,
33:36
Speaker 1: like it needed to have been a laughing matter.
33:38
Speaker 2: Really, Oh god.
33:40
Speaker 1: There were many people upset about Lawrence's release. No one
33:44
Speaker 1: wanted him living in their town. Angry crowds would protest. Yeah,
33:50
Speaker 1: they made it so he wasn't welcome to rejoin society
33:54
Speaker 1: for his one year parole, and he had to live
33:56
Speaker 1: in a trailer on the grounds of the San Quentin
34:00
Speaker 1: Prison until his parole ended. His own daughter wanted him
34:06
Speaker 1: to remain in bars, which says a lot a lot.
34:10
Speaker 1: She she spoke at length about the nature of her
34:14
Speaker 1: father and what he was like as a dad. Upon
34:17
Speaker 1: his release, she had fled and hid an asked law
34:21
Speaker 1: enforcement if there was any way they could keep him
34:24
Speaker 1: behind bars for longer. This is a quote from his daughter.
34:29
Speaker 1: I asked California prison personnel what could be done to
34:32
Speaker 1: keep him in longer, and I was told there was nothing.
34:36
Speaker 1: They suggested I obtain a restraining order at the time
34:40
Speaker 1: of his release. Sorry, but I mean this quite sarcastically.
34:45
Speaker 1: I tell you he is a danger. I said that
34:48
Speaker 1: before the first crime. I've changed my name multiple times
34:52
Speaker 1: and in moving across state lines, and you all suggest
34:55
Speaker 1: a piece of paper that will tell him exactly where
34:58
Speaker 1: I am, what my name is, and not to come
35:01
Speaker 1: within the three hundred feet of me.
35:05
Speaker 2: Wow, she's got a very strong argument there. Yeah.
35:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you might have noticed in that quote it
35:11
Speaker 1: says first crime, yeah, indicating there may be more.
35:15
Speaker 2: Yeah.
35:16
Speaker 1: Well, we'll get to that in a minute. I first
35:20
Speaker 1: wanted to mention that due to the outrage and the
35:23
Speaker 1: support from Mary, California passed a new bill in nineteen
35:27
Speaker 1: eighty seven. It was called the Singleton Bill, which prevents
35:30
Speaker 1: the early release of offenders who have committed a crime
35:34
Speaker 1: with torture when torture is used, and carries a twenty
35:38
Speaker 1: five year to life sentence.
35:40
Speaker 2: Good fucking right.
35:42
Speaker 1: But like, I almost have trouble with that because, like,
35:45
Speaker 1: my god, if you have a bill like named and
35:48
Speaker 1: passed because of a crime that you committed, does that
35:51
Speaker 1: not mean that maybe you can be kept in prison,
35:54
Speaker 1: you would think. So.
35:57
Speaker 2: The problem is with something like that is like he's
36:00
Speaker 2: gone through court, he's already had his trial, that's his
36:04
Speaker 2: fair trial. Just because a law has changed afterwards doesn't
36:07
Speaker 2: mean you can go back.
36:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if it's changed because of him and his
36:12
Speaker 1: Actually I totally get you.
36:14
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I'm just arguing for the sake
36:17
Speaker 2: of laws, sake on logistics, you know what I mean.
36:20
Speaker 1: I know I know exactly what you're doing about it.
36:22
Speaker 1: Just it blows my mind. Yeah, it's bullshit, And if
36:25
Speaker 1: only they did. After Lawrence finished his parole, he returned
36:31
Speaker 1: to Florida, where he was from, and in nineteen ninety
36:35
Speaker 1: he was convicted twice a theft in which he served
36:38
Speaker 1: time for. But that was nothing compared to what he
36:42
Speaker 1: did upon his release of those crimes.
36:44
Speaker 2: Oh shit.
36:46
Speaker 1: In the spring of nineteen ninety seven, Lawrence was reported
36:50
Speaker 1: as seen assaulting a woman in his home in Sulfur
36:54
Speaker 1: Springs when police responded. Lawrence was covered in blood and
37:00
Speaker 1: they found Roxanne Haines dead inside fuck off.
37:06
Speaker 2: She had been.
37:06
Speaker 1: Stabbed multiple times. Roxanne was a sex worker, but more importantly,
37:11
Speaker 1: a mother of three and the provider for her family.
37:15
Speaker 2: Holy shit. So someone who's literally just trying to make
37:18
Speaker 2: ends meet for their family and he just yeap. Holy shit.
37:23
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean it honestly, like I have goosebumps right now,
37:26
Speaker 1: but like it was inevitable that he would reoffend.
37:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding, Please please tell me then he's permanently
37:33
Speaker 2: behind Bars's time.
37:35
Speaker 1: Mary traveled from California to Tampa on the state's dime
37:39
Speaker 1: to testify against Lawrence once again and had to share
37:43
Speaker 1: the details of her attack and the toll is taken
37:47
Speaker 1: on her life over the years. She was not obligated
37:49
Speaker 1: to do that, but she was, like, I'm doing that.
37:53
Speaker 1: Lawrence was sentenced to death, but died in two thousand
37:57
Speaker 1: and one at the age of seventy one from cancer
38:00
Speaker 1: or seventy four, sorry, from cancer.
38:03
Speaker 2: He's dead. Good, Yeah, he's dead. I don't like, don't
38:07
Speaker 2: get me wrong. I don't want to sit here and
38:09
Speaker 2: wish death upon anyone. However, he deserves to fucking rot.
38:15
Speaker 2: He does not deserve to be in fucking society. He does.
38:19
Speaker 2: He got what he deserved. Period.
38:22
Speaker 1: Some people like, I mean, I get rehabilitation, I get it,
38:25
Speaker 1: I get it. And some people can be rehabilitated, but
38:28
Speaker 1: then there are a lot of people that fucking cannot.
38:31
Speaker 2: No, they can't. And there's there's actual studies on some
38:33
Speaker 2: people with with severe mental issues, on things like who
38:38
Speaker 2: aren't legit psychopaths, And there's documents or sorry, there's documentaries documentaries.
38:45
Speaker 2: What's documentation documentaries? It just sounded really weird when I
38:50
Speaker 2: said anyways, there's films on people who are behind bars
38:54
Speaker 2: who've committed murders again and again and again, and they're like, yeah,
38:58
Speaker 2: don't let me out because I will fucking kill again.
39:02
Speaker 1: That's so bad, because I mean, honestly, if anyone was
39:06
Speaker 1: to have any empathy to anyone, it would be like.
39:09
Speaker 2: A father.
39:12
Speaker 1: Against a kid, a girl kid the same age as
39:15
Speaker 1: his own. Like that just shows to me, like how
39:19
Speaker 1: much of a monster he is.
39:20
Speaker 2: In my opinion, there's clearly some sort of chemical imbalance
39:23
Speaker 2: or disconnect somewhere within his brain, like you'd have to
39:28
Speaker 2: to be able to commit something so horrendous like.
39:33
Speaker 1: That, And honestly, Mary needed that death like she needed
39:37
Speaker 1: him to die, because that gave her some sense of closure.
39:41
Speaker 2: Yeah right, she needed that. Well, she'd be living for
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Speaker 2: the rest of her life looking over her shoulder.
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Speaker 1: Today, Mary is a mother of two boys. Her life
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Speaker 1: has began to change for the better, and she has
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Speaker 1: begun to heal and establish close relationships as her new
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Speaker 1: family became her life. Along with being a victim's advocate
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Speaker 1: in support of victims' rights, Mary is also an artist.
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Speaker 1: As she described it, she's entering what she thinks of
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Speaker 1: as her third face. First she was a victim, then
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Speaker 1: a survivor, and now she's an artist. Being that she
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Speaker 1: has no hands though this is like quite a feat right.
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Speaker 1: She's used spare parts from broken down electronics to modify
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Speaker 1: her prosthetics into custom designs that work for her and
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Speaker 1: work for what she wants to do, which is amazing awesome.
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Speaker 1: Her focus as an artist is to paint powerfully upbeat women.
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Speaker 1: She creates her own version of female action figures. She
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Speaker 1: also takes individual portraits for commission. She's happy to be
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Speaker 1: moved past the label cast on her. While Lawrence was
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Speaker 1: still alive, most people know her today because of who
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Speaker 1: she is, not because of what happened to her her
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Speaker 1: and assumed she was born the way she is.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: So that's the story of Mary Vincent.
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Speaker 2: So she's officially moved on from from her past. She's
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Speaker 2: an artist now, she's a mother now, and she's she's Mary.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because I mean, there that is something terrible
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Speaker 1: that happened to her. And I don't even think anyone
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Speaker 1: would judge if like her life took a different turn.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, rightfully. So, I mean something like that that's
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Speaker 2: gonna wear a lot of people down, and she's not
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Speaker 2: even letting it hear down anymore. So, but like you say,
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Speaker 2: his death probably was a big relief off her shoulder.
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Speaker 2: That probably set her free.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, honestly, like it would he would
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Speaker 1: have just done more. Like I honestly think that he
41:52
Speaker 1: might have even done more, probably just hasn't never been found.
41:56
Speaker 2: There is some irony in that actually, because she wanted
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Speaker 2: to be let free and he's like, well now you're
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Speaker 2: free when he tried to kill her, but she was
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Speaker 2: actually freed in his death. Yeah, there's some in that, actually,
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Speaker 2: there is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But honestly, like an incredible, superhuman and it just
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Speaker 1: makes you feel like wow, like if you put your
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Speaker 1: mind to something, you can do some powerful shit.
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Speaker 2: No kidding, so wow, good on her for surviving. Mary.
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Speaker 2: I'm really not expecting you to listen, but if you
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Speaker 2: ever listen to this, holy shit, good on you. You're
42:35
Speaker 2: an inspiration, inspiration, incredibly strong, keep keep being you. Wow,
42:43
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