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Who's in Charge? Part 2 How To Lead Your Kids Without Discouraging Them · Equipped for Impact

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Nate: You can win an argument with your kid in about four seconds and still lose something.
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Nate: It's that four-second answer every parent knows because I said so.
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Nate: Technically, it's true.
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Nate: And you can say that and close the conversation.
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Luis: And while it's accurate, it's actually a retreat.
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Luis: You may have gotten your child to stop talking, but you really didn't get anywhere.
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Nate: Welcome to Equipped for Impact, the podcast designed to assist Christian parents, leaders, and educators to raise up the next generation, to stand firm in their faith and influence the world for Christ.
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Nate: We're your hosts.
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Nate: I'm Nate.
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Nate: And I'm Lewis.
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Nate: And we are glad you're here with us today, where we're wrapping up part two of our series, Who Decides?
0:55
Nate: Last week, uh, we said that your authority over your kids is real.
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Nate: It was handed to you, it was delegated to you, you get to steward it, and nobody gets to vote away that authority.
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Luis: And one of the things that I said was that we do some damage if we just stop there.
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Nate: So this is the other half of the story.
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Nate: Make sure you go back and listen to part one because it really lays the groundwork.
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Nate: But at the end of the day, what we just said is a good summary.
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Nate: So if you don't have time, you're driving, and you don't want to take both hands off the wheel, that's okay.
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Nate: But that's that's really what it is.
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Nate: You are the authority in your child's life.
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Nate: You get to make decisions for them.
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Nate: Okay?
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Nate: So now as we're we're moving into this other half, you know, I'll tell you what what I've seen over time, you know, working with students, whether it's in school or in church or wherever, is that parents don't usually lose their kids by being too strict.
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Nate: They lose them by being right in a way that feels like contempt.
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Luis: Which Paul apparently saw coming, right?
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Luis: Ephesians 6 says, Don't provoke your children to anger, and then Colossians adds the reason, unless they become discouraged.
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Luis: Actually, he says, lest they become discouraged.
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Luis: Lest.
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Luis: Is that Greek?
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Luis: Lest?
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Luis: Lest.
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Luis: That's I think it's a better word.
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Luis: It's a better word.
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Nate: It's a better word.
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Nate: Okay, lest.
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Nate: It like it's a phrase in modern English.
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Nate: You know, you can't really translate that other than the lest.
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Nate: Good old King James.
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Nate: Yeah.
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Nate: Lest they become discouraged.
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Nate: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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Nate: But the discouraged there, that's an important word, right?
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Nate: It's not like rebellious or you know, outlandish or whatever.
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Nate: It's it's just discouraged.
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Nate: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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Luis: And I think that's an important word to keep coming back to, right?
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Luis: Because Paul's not mainly worried about the kid who fights back.
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Luis: Like that's not what he's talking about.
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Luis: He's worried about the kid who quits trying.
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Nate: So let's let's really define that.
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Nate: What does it mean?
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Nate: Like sometimes you hear this, you know, fathers provoke not your children to wrath.
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Nate: And it and people hear the provoke and they they picture somebody, you know, yelling or yelling's on the list.
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Nate: Yeah, yeah.
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Nate: Yelling at your kid is not good.
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Nate: It's definitely on that list.
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Nate: But it it might not even be the most common one.
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Nate: You know, the one I'd put at the top of the list is maybe unpredictability.
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Nate: Ooh, that's a good one.
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Nate: Rules or or or goalposts that move depending on how your week went or how your day went.
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Nate: The the same behavior gets a laugh on Saturday and has consequences on Tuesday.
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Nate: And the only thing that changed was you.
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Luis: And when you think about it, it just leads us to the question what what does that really teach our children, right?
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Luis: Yeah.
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Luis: So like they might learn to read you instead of learning the standard.
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Luis: And that doesn't mean that your child's building a conscience.
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Luis: They're just actually beginning to become smarter and maybe even build a profile on you as a parent.
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Nate: Yeah, yeah.
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Nate: It's almost like a radar, right?
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Nate: We're not actually we we talked about this some in our series or our our episode where we interviewed Brian Baker, talking about the difference between heart transformation and behavior modification, right?
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Nate: You can raise your child in a way that makes it so that they're just good at going with the flow or good at getting by.
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Nate: Yeah.
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Nate: And it's that radar that they're building.
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Luis: And from the outside, right, the house looks looks fine.
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Luis: The house looks great.
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Luis: Everything's put together.
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Luis: Your child's compliant, but they're just compliant to your mood.
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Luis: And parents, we can look at that and be like, oh yeah, that that's great, right?
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Luis: We take that as a win.
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Luis: A compliant kid looks like a win right up until the point when they leave your home.
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Nate: Yeah.
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Nate: And and there's some others too that are that are on this list.
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Nate: There's inconsistency, maybe sarcasm, which, you know, Lewis, you and I are never sarcastic.
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Luis: Never at all.
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Nate: At all.
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Nate: Never.
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Nate: Never.
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Nate: We need a sarcasm button, actually.
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Nate: There you go.
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Nate: There you go.
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Nate: We keep talking about this button that we don't have, and we need to make these buttons.
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Nate: But but sarcasm, right?
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Nate: It's something, you know, it it's it's funny.
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Nate: There's times where it's like that dry humor like we get on this podcast, um, which may be the only reason you come to listen to Equipped for Impact is because you want a little bit of dry humor.
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Nate: You want that dry humor some dad jokes.
5:21
Nate: Did you hear about the the kid that got hurt in an extreme peekaboo accident?
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Nate: No, what happened?
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Nate: Yeah, he went to the ICU.
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Nate: He went to the ICU.
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Nate: I like it.
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Luis: I was wondering where that one was going, because that one sounded like like risque, right?
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Luis: I was like, okay, where's this one going?
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Nate: ICU.
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Nate: Okay.
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Nate: But but this is the sarcasm where it's it's really it's meant as a wound, right?
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Nate: There's there's an underrated, like, you know, wounding factor comparing one child to another or comparing a child to their friend, bringing up something that was already apologized or handled you know months ago, and you're just bringing it up and you're and you're you're using a sarcastic comment to wound your child in a way to really manipulate.
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Nate: It's it at the end of the day, that's what that is, is manipulation.
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Luis: And then another one could just be just simp simply never explaining anything, right?
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Luis: Like it's just the decision.
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Nate: I said so.
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Luis: I said so, and that's that's that's why it is.
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Luis: And so let me let me add one that I think is specific to Christian homes.
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Luis: And I think when I describe this scene, you can probably visualize it, right?
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Luis: There's a guy in his mid-30s, right, and he's asking his pastor for advice about his daughter and how they're trying to decide about what school they're gonna send them to.
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Luis: And then as the conversation's going, they're not even talking about the daughter anymore.
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Luis: Now this guy in his 30s is talking about his dad and how he can list all the rules that the dad had, right?
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Luis: And and not just vague rules, but like which movies they were allowed to watch, which music they were allowed to watch, what time, what you could wear to dinner, and you know, the right Bible translation that you could use, right?
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Luis: And then this guy now who's in his 30s, he's got all of that memorized.
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Luis: And so when you ask him, you know, did he ever see his dad happy with him?
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Luis: Was his dad ever satisfied with him?
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Luis: You know, he just sits there and he's like, I don't know, I I never saw that, right?
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Luis: Yeah.
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Luis: And then this guy walks away from the church, and then here's the part that I think is important for us to hear, right?
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Luis: Like if you ask this guy, you know, what happened, he's gonna tell you he walked away from Christianity.
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Luis: No, he didn't walk away from Christianity.
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Luis: He walked away from a house where the father's preferences came with a Bible verse attached to them.
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Luis: And by the time he was in college, he couldn't tell which parts were actually scripture and which parts were just his dad.
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Luis: And so he just threw the whole thing out of his life.
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Nate: Yeah, nobody ever showed him the difference between standards, preferences, and actually gospel truth, right?
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Nate: There's no difference there.
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Nate: And so the running, the thread running through all of these that we've just talked about is that your child can can predict it, right?
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Nate: They can't understand it.
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Nate: They don't know really what you're trying to teach them, and so at the end of the day, they could just shut down.
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Nate: So this is the part that I think is is most useful, is that there's a difference between explaining a decision and opening a negotiation.
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Nate: Right?
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Nate: Um we talked last week about, you know, uh the the parent who, when they make a decision, they start to negotiate, you know, with their child or trying to explain it to make sure that they're okay with it, right?
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Nate: And so we don't want to mash those two things together.
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Nate: We don't want to, you know, go to the extreme where we explain nothing at all because we're we're afraid explaining invites debate.
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Nate: But at the other side, we don't want to explain and accidentally hand our child a vote as if they get to make the decision for themselves.
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Luis: And so how does the parent tell those apart Nate?
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Nate: Well, uh listen to how the sentence ends, right?
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Nate: Here's why, and this is the decision, right?
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Nate: That's an explanation.
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Nate: Or here's why.
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Nate: What do you think about that?
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Nate: That's a negotiation, right?
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Nate: Your kid knows instantly which room he's in and which one he can he can have a say or you know, you know, have part of the decision making.
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Nate: Or if he knows the decision's done, and you're just lovingly trying to build that wisdom in him.
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Luis: And that second one, right, isn't always necessarily wrong.
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Nate: Right.
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Nate: Especially with older children, right?
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Nate: You know, you know, you can you can decide before you open your mouth which conversation this is, and then you can say out loud, like this one's decided and I'll tell you why, but I'm not asking your opinion, right?
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Nate: Or on the other side, you can say, hey, you know, I I want to help you make a wise choice here, and then you explain.
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Nate: There's there's the difference with with all of that.
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Luis: And I think that sometimes, right, there are decisions that a 15-year-old child may have some input in, right?
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Luis: Yep.
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Luis: And the problem that sometimes is that we do it by accident, right?
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Luis: You start what you thought was an explanation, and then halfway through, you're defending your position to a 13-year-old, and then once you're defending it, you've you've you've already moved, right?
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Luis: And so you decide, you need to decide as a parent before you open your mouth which conversation this is.
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Luis: And like Nate pointed out, you need to say it out loud, right?
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Luis: This one's decided, and I'll tell you why.
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Luis: I'm not asking your opinion necessarily.
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Nate: Yeah, yeah.
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Nate: And and I think it's important to stay here for a second because this is where it it can fall apart, right?
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Nate: In in your conversations.
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Nate: You can say something exactly like you have it, and and the kid keeps arguing anyway.
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Nate: Of course they do, right?
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Nate: Yeah, because because they're 13, right?
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Nate: And they're gonna argue, and that's you know, maybe, maybe uh uh uh six months ago this this worked, but now you've got this conversation where you're just trying to explain so that they understand.
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Nate: Yeah and Louis, walk us through, you know, what the next kind of step is when your kid starts arguing back.
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Luis: So when you think about it, right, like those next 10 seconds, those those are the whole thing, right?
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Luis: And the mistake that almost everybody makes is answering the new argument.
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Luis: And that might feel like the fair thing to do, but but it's fatal, right?
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Luis: Because now there's a new argument, and you're answering that one too, and now you're 20 minutes in defending something you've already settled, and your child doesn't have to win, they just have to keep you talking.
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Luis: Yeah, so what do you do instead?
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Luis: So instead of doing that, right, use the same sentence again, same word, same volume.
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Luis: I hear you, but this one's already decided.
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Luis: Yeah, so you just repeat that, just repeat it, right?
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Luis: It and it might feel silly, right?
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Luis: But like almost like you're just being obstinate, but you're not, you're showing them where the wall is, and then the third time you end it, we're done with this one.
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Luis: I'm not going to keep talking about it.
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Luis: And then you have to actually be done.
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Nate: Yeah, this is one we actually taught our girls a phrase when they were really young.
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Nate: And because we we actually had uh friends that we went to college with that encouraged their kids, they actually used this phrase, we encouraged our kids to argue with us.
12:18
Nate: Wow.
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Nate: Because they didn't want peop them just like blindly following other people's rules, which I kind of get what they're getting at.
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Nate: But we we taught our girls, and I don't know, m my wife got this from someplace, maybe she just made it up and because she's really smart like that.
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Nate: But she we taught our girls, use the phrase like, may I speak up about this?
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Nate: Like we made a decision, they don't think that they well, they don't like our decision.
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Nate: They may have a reason, yeah.
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Nate: So they ask permission to speak up to maybe change our minds, right?
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Nate: And sometimes we say, No, we've already made the decision.
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Nate: Yeah.
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Nate: Other times we say, Well, yeah, you can speak up and they can voice their opinion, maybe give us a reason, but that gives them one chance, right?
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Nate: And then they say again, like we've had it, they'll say it again.
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Nate: Well, can I speak up about that?
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Nate: We're like, you just did, and now it's done.
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Nate: Yeah.
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Nate: And we want to move on.
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Nate: And so I think that's an important, it's it's a good like tool to use.
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Nate: Yeah.
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Nate: And it may look different in your home, but that gives you the leeway of like, you're not in charge, but I am willing to listen to you.
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Nate: Like you don't it's not that you don't have a voice.
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Luis: One thing that's important in what you just described there, Nate, is that it needs to stay at the same volume, right?
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Luis: Like if you're repeating this and it's louder than the first time, then your child's learning something completely different.
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Luis: They're learning that if they push long enough, eventually you get big, right?
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Luis: And so now they've got this lever that they can just pull anytime they they want to.
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Luis: And I think that you're right, I can say why the explaining matters so much to me, right?
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Luis: Because God explains himself constantly, but he's under no obligation to, right?
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Luis: Like God doesn't have to explain himself to God.
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Luis: He's God.
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Luis: Right?
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Luis: Yep.
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Luis: We're not gonna understand it.
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Luis: Yep.
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Luis: But he's still saying, right, the Lord your God who brought you out of Egypt, right?
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Luis: The reason comes attached to the command all over the place.
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Luis: So a parent who never explains anything, we're not imitating that.
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Luis: And it and if God can explain himself, I mean, why shouldn't we as parents too when it's appropriate?
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Nate: Yeah, and that goes back to my friend that I said that they encouraged their children to argue.
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Nate: Uh the heart behind it was they want to raise kids who are smart and think for themselves and can and can handle themselves, right?
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Nate: But there's a difference between an argumentative child and a wise child that you're building wisdom, right?
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Nate: You're explaining because you're building that in them.
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Nate: They see the reasoning, and then the the rule or your decision is just kind of the opportunity to teach that with them.
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Luis: Nate, I was probably the more rebellious of the two of us, right?
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Luis: Like if I think about where we were, right?
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Luis: And so very different upbringings.
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Luis: I think this is probably a good time just just just to push here on something that I think parents sometimes miss, right?
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Luis: Most of us spend our authority on the wrong things.
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Luis: Clothes, hair, music, how clean the room is, right?
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Luis: And the way she talks about a movie that she liked.
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Luis: And we're not saying that those things aren't important, right?
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Luis: They they are.
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Luis: They're not nothing, but they're not in the same category as who she's with on a Friday night, or what she has access to at midnight, or whether she's telling you the truth or not.
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Nate: Yeah, and here's here's what happens, right?
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Nate: You fight the small battles every week for three years, and then something serious shows up and there's nothing left in your your relationship account, right?
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Nate: You know, your your child can tell it's different.
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Nate: You fought that hard about the a haircut or a t-shirt.
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Nate: So why would this one be any different to them when it's a a truly big issue?
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Luis: And so I think we need to pick a small number of things that you're gonna hold no matter what, and everybody agrees with, and then you when you go home, right, they don't necessarily do anything about it, right?
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Luis: Because every parent, right, we already believe the heels are the important ones, and so that becomes the actual problem.
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Luis: You need something outside your own judgment to sort them with.
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Luis: And I'd use the question we used last week, right?
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Luis: Who who is this protecting, right?
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Luis: Like you create these rules that you think these are the hills worth dying on, but then your child is like they're not really that important, and then now you're fighting this battle of, well, these are my rules, and your kids rebelling against these rules, and maybe those rules really aren't that big because who are they protecting?
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Nate: Yeah, yeah.
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Nate: So we can even use that on one of the issues you just talked about.
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Nate: So uh a haircut, right?
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Nate: You can ask that question, who is this protecting?
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Nate: So in a haircut, who's who's that that argument protecting?
16:50
Nate: You know?
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Nate: And the answer is you as the parent, right?
16:53
Nate: It's protecting how you look to other parents and what they think and my picture of what I think my family is like on a Sunday morning.
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Nate: And you know, you're not protecting your child.
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Nate: Yeah.
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Nate: Now we could actually use the same situation, and actually it could be that you're protecting your child.
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Nate: You know, they want to have purple spiked hair and they go to a Christian school with a conservative dress code.
17:18
Nate: Like that one's pretty easy.
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Nate: You just blame the school.
17:21
Nate: But no, like there there is an opportunity, right?
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Nate: But there's a difference between, you know, just a kind of a different style and something that's outlandish.
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Nate: Those are two different situations.
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Luis: And I think, right, that when you think about it from this perspective of like now you look at at a heel that is worth fighting, right, which is who who is she with and what is she doing on Friday night, that's a completely different answer.
17:41
Luis: And and we know it's different, and and they can feel it, right?
17:45
Luis: And so sit down with your spouse this week and write the actual list, right?
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Luis: Most people have never once said they're non-negotiables out loud, and it turns out to really be just about four things.
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Nate: Yeah.
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Nate: And it's definitely always a shorter list than you think, right?
18:04
Nate: You know, we don't s we're not saying that, you know, you you lose the rest or you lose, you know, the the situation or whatever it is, but you just need to know which part is the most important, right?
18:17
Nate: Your kid needs to watch you give them some leeway to make decisions on their own so that they can grow, right?
18:24
Nate: And if you never allow them that, they can't tell what is, you know, a major conviction they need to stand on and which one is just a preference for your family or you as a parent.
18:38
Nate: You know, they need to have that.
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Nate: And, you know, if if you know they've heard you say, you know, I don't love that, but that that you make that decision for yourself, then then they understand when it's a real situation where you as the parent are saying, no, this is my choice and this is why.
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Luis: And I think that that flexibility is what makes that firmness readable, right?
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Luis: Like if they be if they grow accustomed to you being flexible on non-essentials or preferences, then when you come hard on a line and you hold that line, they're gonna understand, yep, I I see that this is important to mom and dad.
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Luis: So this is not just a little thing.
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Nate: Yeah.
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Nate: So we've talked about age a couple of times, you know, 13, 16.
19:23
Nate: Obviously, who they're they're hanging out with on Friday night is gonna be different depending on their age, you know.
19:29
Nate: But let's talk about that for a second.
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Nate: Because a seven-year-old and a sixteen-year-old shouldn't be getting the same answer.
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Nate: And and some houses run as if, you know, it is.
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Nate: So let's let's talk about that for a second with the the ages.
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Luis: And I think it's important to know here, right, that when you are raising your children, you need to understand that you're governing them differently at different ages.
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Luis: Because if they get to the age of 18 and you've never had any flexibility or leeway, then when they turn 18, their mind's gonna be like, oh, I can do everything I've always wanted to do that my parents never allowed me to.
20:05
Luis: And it's because they never governed themselves one time under your roof, and then they go fully now able to manage their own free time on their weekend.
20:17
Luis: And so how do how do we make that transfer, Nate?
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Nate: Well, I think what we need to remember is that your authority as the parent doesn't shrink.
20:24
Nate: Uh, you still hold ultimate authority and therefore ultimate responsibility for your children, but what you directly control does.
20:34
Nate: You know, you're still the parent, you you maybe aren't setting their bedtime if they're at home or whatever, but you know, most families lose those decisions instead of handing them over strategically, right?
20:47
Nate: The kid takes, you know, in the fight or or whatever's going on, and then they just start doing it, and nobody says anything, and it's just kind of default in your background.
20:57
Nate: So, what we want to do is we want to give over some of that decision-making responsibility on purpose, right?
21:05
Luis: Give it an on-ramp.
21:06
Luis: And I think that, you know, just to give like a perfect example, like in the life of our children, right?
21:12
Luis: We we didn't let them use certain social media apps on their phone until they turned a certain age.
21:19
Luis: And so when they when they turned a certain age, on their birthday, we said, Hey, you can now use this app, right?
21:26
Luis: And maybe even make a big deal about it, right?
21:28
Luis: That's the whole system.
21:29
Luis: Every birthday, one thing moves over and you say it out loud at the table.
21:34
Luis: You're 14, so your money's yours now.
21:36
Luis: I'll have opinions and I'll tell you, but you're deciding, or like we did with my youngest daughter this school year.
21:44
Luis: We said, Okay, now you are in seventh grade, so your bedtime is this.
21:49
Luis: And so we allowed them to be able to make that choice.
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Luis: Now we still have to remind her, but she now has that authority, that choice to know, okay, my bedtime is now 10 o'clock, for example.
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Luis: And she knows that she struggles to get up early.
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Luis: So on her own, she has started to get up, go to bed a little bit before 10 o'clock.
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Luis: Now, there's sometimes that we still have to remind her and say, hey, it's bedtime, but she now has the flexibility and authority to stay up until 10 o'clock.
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Nate: Yeah.
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Nate: So I think what what would be important and maybe is just a the practical application for you guys here today, is just like, look where your kids are, right?
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Nate: Because your kids are different than our kids, and say, like, what is the next kind of milestone for them, whether it's a birthday, that's a good milestone, a school year, a a calendar year, whatever that is, and be like, what is one thing that we can hand over to them as they start making responsibility on their own?
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Nate: Truly good, yeah.
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Nate: So that we're not overbearing on our child, so that they actually learn that and and they can learn that on our own under our supervision where we can still guide and correct.
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Nate: So, Lewis, as we as we kind of wind this down today, two-part series on authority and responsibility and all of that, what what is an encouragement you would give the parents who are listening to this and you know are are thinking about their own authority and and how they handle it in their household?
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Luis: The truth is that everyone listening to this, right, every parent listening to this has already provoked their kids, right?
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Luis: I have, Nate, I'm sure you have, right?
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Luis: And if you're gonna do this for 18 years, there are times when you're gonna be harsh with a kid who didn't deserve it and you're gonna be wrong in ways that you won't find out for over a decade, right?
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Luis: There's there's no clean version of this thing that we call parenting, which is fine, right?
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Luis: Because you were never meant to be the savior of your household anyway.
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Luis: You're just holding something for a while and you'll answer for it to a God who knows exactly what you had to work with.
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Luis: And so find something that we've shared over these last two episodes and see where you can implement it into your life.
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Luis: You don't have to be perfect, you just have to be making progress.
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Nate: That's a great encouragement there.
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Nate: So I hope you all enjoyed this episode and really the last two of this little mini-series, kind of a two-parter here for you on your authority.
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Nate: And if this did encourage you, please share it.
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Nate: Share both episodes with another family who could use it and can help, you know, just as they are building their own house with the authority God's given them.
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Nate: And make sure you subscribe so you don't miss our next episode.
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Nate: So, until then, keep leading the next generation to stand firm in their faith and influence the world for Christ.