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Speaker 1: And with all that said, let's do a deep dive.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Conspiracy Files, everybody. I am your host,
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Speaker 1: Colin Brown from Murder in America and The Paranormal Files.
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Speaker 1: It's been a while, guys. I haven't recorded an episode
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Speaker 1: of the show in a few weeks. We've had a
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Speaker 1: lot going on. Courtney and I moved into a new house.
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Speaker 1: And as you can see if you're actually watching this show,
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Speaker 1: the background behind me is completely redone. I've added a
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Speaker 1: bunch of stuff. If you've been I'm wondering, most of
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Speaker 1: these things are original relics from conspiracies. I mean, you've
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Speaker 1: got back here, the son of Sam, who I don't
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Speaker 1: believe acted alone at all. Just a lot of different
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Speaker 1: relics and things from cases that we already have covered
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Speaker 1: or are going to eventually cover. But today's show is dark.
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Speaker 1: It involves a double homicide that is very suspicious, and
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Speaker 1: I think you guys are going to enjoy it. This
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Speaker 1: is definitely a story that a lot of people have
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Speaker 1: heard before, but it's also a story that deserves to
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Speaker 1: still be talked about because there's no real resolution here.
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Speaker 1: But without further ado, let's hop right in. On August
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Speaker 1: twenty third, nineteen eighty seven, in Alexander, Arkansas, two teenage
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Speaker 1: boys Don Henry, sixteen years old and Kevin Ives seventeen
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Speaker 1: years old, left to do some late night hunting. At
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Speaker 1: some point in the early morning hours, their hunting trip
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Speaker 1: would become a tragedy. At noon on August twenty third,
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Speaker 1: Don's dad, Curtis, received a phone call that the boys
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Speaker 1: were found shot and tied to the railroad tracks. He
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Speaker 1: contacted Kevin's mom, Linda, and they both met with the
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Speaker 1: police at Don's house. The police informed Linda that there
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Speaker 1: was no indication that the boys were shot. The authorities
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Speaker 1: eventually told the parents that the boys had been fatally
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Speaker 1: run over by a train at four to twenty five am.
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Speaker 1: The train was going fifty miles an hour and drag
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Speaker 1: their bodies over half of a mile. There were nineteen
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Speaker 1: grams OFBIS found on Kevin, and the original theory from
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Speaker 1: the police is that the boys Highnis died accidentally or
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Speaker 1: they killed themselves in a dide packed The boy's parents
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Speaker 1: did not believe this was the case. Now, on the show,
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Speaker 1: what we like to do is make sure that we
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Speaker 1: back up everything with fact. So if I make a
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Speaker 1: statement in this program, it is going to be backed
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Speaker 1: by evidence. Whether those are police reports or old evidence files,
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Speaker 1: or even newspaper reports from the time. All this stuff
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Speaker 1: is founded in fact, and we'd like to break it down.
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Speaker 1: There's a couple segments on the show. First, we're going
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Speaker 1: to start off with the official story that we're going
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Speaker 1: to move into the conspiracy and why these boys may
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Speaker 1: have been killed, and then at the end we're gonna
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Speaker 1: provide you with some evidence. So stick with me. This
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Speaker 1: is a very dark one. So we first get to
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Speaker 1: the initial investigation. Saline County Sheriff James Steed conducted this
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Speaker 1: initial investigation. The crime scene was not taped off and
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Speaker 1: not treated like a proper crime scene, and not all
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Speaker 1: the body parts were collected. And this is a weird thing.
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Speaker 1: One boy's foot was left at the scene and retrieved later.
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Speaker 1: So there's already some sloppy police work in here, where
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Speaker 1: they're not sealing the scene, they're not preserving any evidence
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Speaker 1: that might be there. They're practically I don't know. You
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Speaker 1: come across these things when it comes to conspiracy theories
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Speaker 1: where oh the police left the crime scene unintended for
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Speaker 1: five days and oh, who knows what happened? Why do
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Speaker 1: they leave it unattended? You don't see that sort of
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Speaker 1: a thing with other murders or crimes like this, especially
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Speaker 1: when where two boys are killed. It's strange. So Curtis,
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Speaker 1: one of the boy's fathers, asked a friend who was
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Speaker 1: a hunter, to go out and examine the tracks themselves.
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Speaker 1: He found little blood on the tracks, and medical staff
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Speaker 1: also noted this fact, So already it looked like the
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Speaker 1: boys weren't hint But who are the witnesses that were
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Speaker 1: on this supposed train. Well, the conductors saw a dark
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Speaker 1: spot on the tracks ten to fifteen cars down them
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Speaker 1: when the train was approximately one hundred feet from the
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Speaker 1: dark spot. The engineer Schroyer, blew the whistle and hit
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Speaker 1: the emergency brakes. Apparently the engineer saw two young men
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Speaker 1: lying between the rails. There was something covering the boys
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Speaker 1: from their waists to just below their knees, which some
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Speaker 1: people think is a tarp, and both boys were right
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Speaker 1: beside each other with their arms and hands to their sides.
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Speaker 1: No movement was noticed at the time, and the tart
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Speaker 1: being over the boy's legs was mentioned a number of
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Speaker 1: times to police, but the officers claimed they were never
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Speaker 1: even told there was a tarp. Already, there's so much
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Speaker 1: in question these boys. The police and authorities are claiming
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Speaker 1: these boys were hit by a training killed. Seems like
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Speaker 1: a terrible, tragic accident. But then through some independent research,
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Speaker 1: we're starting to see inconsistent facts, in consistent evidence, and
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Speaker 1: a lack of blood on the rails. You'd imagine if
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Speaker 1: a human body was hit by a train on those
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Speaker 1: train tracks there would be a significant blood loss, but
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Speaker 1: according to multiple people, there was no blood. Really, so
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Speaker 1: what did the medical examiner, doctor Malik have to say? Well,
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Speaker 1: tests taken soon after the accident stated that there was
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Speaker 1: no alcohol in the boys' systems. The drug tests took
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Speaker 1: two weeks, and once the drug tests were received, a
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Speaker 1: statement from the Medical Examiner's office said that the boys
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Speaker 1: were rendered unconscious and in a deep sleep on the
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Speaker 1: railroad tracks under the psychedelic influence of TT when a
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Speaker 1: train passed over them, causing accidental death. I'm sober now,
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Speaker 1: I've been sober for eight months. I have partaken in
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Speaker 1: a lot of the Devil's lettuce or whatever you would
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Speaker 1: like to call it. I want to dance around with censorship.
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Speaker 1: It definitely does. There's no way that you can get
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Speaker 1: high enough to go walk out on some train tracks
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Speaker 1: and lay down on them and not move when a
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Speaker 1: train's coming. I mean, that's justitius. So the Medical Examiner
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Speaker 1: did not mention in this report the lack of blood
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Speaker 1: at the crime scene or the color of the blood
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Speaker 1: that was found. And what did the police have to
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Speaker 1: say about this? Well, Rick Elmendorf, the chief deputy in
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Speaker 1: Saline County, stated that they hadn't ruled anything out except
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Speaker 1: foul play. They had ruled that out. This was not
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Speaker 1: a murder. The police wanted you to know that. But
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Speaker 1: what about the first responders? On February sixteenth, nineteen eighty eight,
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Speaker 1: Saline Memorial Hospital staff gave their impression of the scene,
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Speaker 1: so the official hospital report includes notes for paramedics Shirley Raper.
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Speaker 1: Blood from the bodies and on the body parts we
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Speaker 1: observed was dark in color in nature due to our training,
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Speaker 1: This would indicate a lack of oxygen in the blood
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Speaker 1: and could pose a question as to how long the
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Speaker 1: victims had been down. Slash dead. Staff noted that there
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Speaker 1: was an absence of fresh blood that is normally found
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Speaker 1: at traumasites similar to this one, and none of the
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Speaker 1: blood appeared to have dried. In testimony at the investigative hearing,
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Speaker 1: Shirley Raper stated that while she was attempting to drive
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Speaker 1: the ambulance out of secondary road, she came across a
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Speaker 1: pickup truck that was occupied by three people. Now, due
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Speaker 1: to the public outrage about Linda being blocked from getting
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Speaker 1: a second opinion, the media then began their own investigation
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Speaker 1: into doctor Milocke. So already you've got different accounts. First
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Speaker 1: responders are saying the blood looks weird, the medical examiner
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Speaker 1: as saying something different, The police are saying something different.
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Speaker 1: But the one consistent thing that authorities are going for
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Speaker 1: is that this wasn't a murder. Why how do they
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Speaker 1: know this so quickly? I mean, it's definitely a little peculiar, right,
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Speaker 1: And that makes me question did doctor Milocke have any
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Speaker 1: other rulings that were inconsistent or incorrect? Well, police investigators
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Speaker 1: and accounting coroner stated that they had been involved in
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Speaker 1: cases where their findings counter doctor Milocke's findings. In one case,
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Speaker 1: Malocke had ruled a shooting as a side when the
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Speaker 1: investigators and coroner ruled it as an accidental death. Now
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Speaker 1: here's where we get into this. We're gonna see Bill
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Speaker 1: Clinton and the Clinton family come up a lot in
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Speaker 1: this story. But we got a first examine doctor Milock
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Speaker 1: to see if Bill Clinton himself had any ties with him.
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Speaker 1: So did Bill Clinton have ties with Molock? Well, there
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Speaker 1: was a conflict of interest because of a ruling which
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Speaker 1: came between terms when Clinton was out of office. You see,
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Speaker 1: Milock had helped Bill Clinton's mother avoid legal scrutiny in
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Speaker 1: one patient's death, as she was defending herself in a
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Speaker 1: medical malpractice lawsuit arising from the death of one of
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Speaker 1: her patients. At the time, Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas,
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Speaker 1: and assumably because of this, Governor of Arkansas at the time,
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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton and his board refused to fire doctor Milocke,
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Speaker 1: even with four years of public criticism of his work. Now,
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Speaker 1: after a grand jury overruled doctor Milock in the Ives
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Speaker 1: Henry case, Clinton hired two out of state pathologists to
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Speaker 1: review doctor Milock's work. They gave him high marks and
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Speaker 1: said he should get a raise. These pathologists were paid
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Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars from Bill Clinton's discretionary fund. Bill Clinton
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Speaker 1: then sent a proposal to the legislature to raise doctor
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Speaker 1: Molocke's salary by forty one point five percent. Three weeks
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Speaker 1: before Clinton and announced his presidential candidacy. He pushed Molock
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Speaker 1: to resign. But even though he was being pushed to resign,
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Speaker 1: that was in the end for the doctor. In fact,
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Speaker 1: the Clinton administration found him another well paying job in
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Speaker 1: state government. So this doctor was well in the deep
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Speaker 1: pockets of Bill Clinton and the Clinton family in Arkansas,
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Speaker 1: arguably the most powerful family in all of Arkansas at
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Speaker 1: the time. He helped Bill Clinton's mother, Bill Clinton himself
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Speaker 1: stepped in and helped doctor Malocke. They helped each other
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Speaker 1: so already there's some high strangeness there. But what did
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Speaker 1: the parents of the victims have to say about the investigations, Well,
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Speaker 1: they weren't satisfied for sure with how the investigations were conducted.
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Speaker 1: They didn't rule out murder, and all the parents in
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Speaker 1: the equation agreed that the deaths were never investigated for
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Speaker 1: a second as homicides. The parents in fact requested a
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Speaker 1: second opinion on the test results. They hired an out
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Speaker 1: of state pathologist, and they were told that the fee
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Speaker 1: they would have to pay was two hundred dollars per hour.
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Speaker 1: They never received a bill from this pathologist. He did
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Speaker 1: not repeat any of the tests or new tests that
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Speaker 1: the parents wanted done. In his finding agreed exactly with
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Speaker 1: those of doctor Malock's. The parents also obtained court orders
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Speaker 1: authorizing the release of all data information and tissue samples
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Speaker 1: from all agencies involved, as they wanted second autopsies conducted.
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Speaker 1: The State Crime Lab was the major obstacle in getting
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Speaker 1: these results, so the parents were told by experts and
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Speaker 1: other authorities that nausea and other discomforts would prevent a
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Speaker 1: person from smoking enough to be rendered unconscious. They were
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Speaker 1: also told they would have had to have smoked as
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Speaker 1: many as twenty joints prior to four to twenty five
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Speaker 1: AM for this to occur. That's a lot of dubies.
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Speaker 1: But on February eighth, nineteen eighty eight, parents Curtis and
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Speaker 1: Marvel Henry and Larry and Linda Ives said that they
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Speaker 1: were seeking a grand jury investigation. The parents of the
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Speaker 1: victims feel like not enough is being done. Initially just
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Speaker 1: blown over. I mean, just look at all these documents. Essentially,
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Speaker 1: these two young boys are found dead in a brutal
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Speaker 1: way and they say, oh, they just smoked a lot
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Speaker 1: of week, went late on the tracks and died and
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Speaker 1: that's it. We're not going to investigate this any further.
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Speaker 1: That's all that we're going to talk about it. And
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, remember it is not a homicide, which doesn't
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Speaker 1: really make sense when you consider how criminal proceedings usually go.
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Speaker 1: The parents of the victims then start to seek a
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Speaker 1: grand jury investigation, so the Saline County Prosecuting Attorney's office
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Speaker 1: then held an open investigative hearing. Richard Garrett, the Deputy
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Speaker 1: Prosecuting Attorney, felt as though it was a premature move
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Speaker 1: to call a grand jury investigation and thought an investigation
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Speaker 1: could be done simply within Arkansas. For this hearing, thirty
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Speaker 1: two witnesses were subpoena and prior to the results from
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Speaker 1: the grand jury investigation being received, a deputy prosecutor was
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Speaker 1: named by Garrett as he believed that the deaths were
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Speaker 1: indeed homicides. Dan Harmon was assigned as a special deputy prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: This is where Dan comes in, So the grand jury investigation,
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Speaker 1: this is where things start to go off the rails.
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Speaker 1: If you fall, catch my drift. So the boys' bodies
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Speaker 1: looking at this stuff closer where and an Atlanta medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: doctor Joseph Burton, conducted a second examination on the boys's corpses.
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Speaker 1: Based on his examination, he found that the boys had
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Speaker 1: only smoked a few joints before their deaths. He stated
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Speaker 1: that Don Henry had been stabbed in the back and
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Speaker 1: Kevin Ives's skull had been crushed prior to them being
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Speaker 1: placed on the tracks. Six of doctor Burton's peers agreed
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Speaker 1: with his findings, and so on September ninth, nineteen eighty eight,
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Speaker 1: a grand jury finally ruled the boy's deaths as homicides.
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Speaker 1: So at this point, a grand jury is basically I
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Speaker 1: don't know how to explain this lightly, but it's a
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Speaker 1: legal entity, a group of peers that come together and
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Speaker 1: they decide if they should prosecute or pursue charges or
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Speaker 1: open investigations. So when they're looking into this with the
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Speaker 1: grand jury, they're trying to see if they want to
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Speaker 1: prosecute somewhere, they want to bring charges. They're trying to
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Speaker 1: see if it's worth pursuing this as a criminal case.
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Speaker 1: I hope I boiled that down. But grand jury's can
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Speaker 1: easily be deceived. We've seen this so many times, especially
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Speaker 1: in stories of cover ups. I hate grand juries. They're
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Speaker 1: a terrible thing for the legal system, and especially when
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Speaker 1: it comes to this grand jury, you're about to see
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Speaker 1: how twisted all this is, because this is where we
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Speaker 1: start getting to the suspicious deaths and the disappearance of
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Speaker 1: witnesses before they could testify before this grand jury. Keep
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Speaker 1: in mind, at the time, tensions are high in Arkansas.
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Speaker 1: Lots of people think these boys were murdered. Nobody's telling
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Speaker 1: the truth. The authorities aren't telling the truth. They're obviously
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Speaker 1: trying to cover for something, and people are starting to
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Speaker 1: wake up to that fact. And so when this grand
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Speaker 1: jury stuff comes about that people are covering this up,
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Speaker 1: probably feel threatened and they want to make sure that
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Speaker 1: this never gets out, the truth never gets out, and
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Speaker 1: they would make sure that that happened. That's when we
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Speaker 1: get to the deaths. So on November tenth, nineteen eighty eight,
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Speaker 1: Keith mccaskell, an informant in the Ives and Henry Train deaths,
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Speaker 1: was found in the carport of his home, stabbed to
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Speaker 1: death and covered with the curtain. Nothing inside of his
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Speaker 1: house was disturbed, and it was determined that robbery was
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Speaker 1: not the motive. The police believed that the death is
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Speaker 1: unrelated to the Boys on the Tracks case. Prosecutors Garrett
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Speaker 1: and Harmon met with FBI investigators after this murder, but
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Speaker 1: there was no confirmation if the meeting had to do
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Speaker 1: with the Boys on the Tracks. So this guy, Keith,
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Speaker 1: who is an informant in the case, who has some
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Speaker 1: good information, who's going to come forward to the grand jury,
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Speaker 1: is found murdered while this is all heating up. Wonder
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Speaker 1: what he would have told people earlier that year. In
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Speaker 1: May of nineteen eighty eight, a man named Keith Coney died.
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Speaker 1: Keith had actually been the one who saw Don and
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Speaker 1: Kevin the victims. On the night that they were killed
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Speaker 1: and placed on the train tracks, Keith had told his dad,
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Speaker 1: other family members, and friends that two police officers had
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Speaker 1: killed Kevin and Don before they were placed on the
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Speaker 1: train tracks. He said that he saw this with his
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Speaker 1: own eyes, that the police were responsible for the murder
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Speaker 1: of these two boys. Two days after telling his friends
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Speaker 1: and family this information, Keith Coney was murdered. His throat
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Speaker 1: was slashed, and when he tried to flee from his
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Speaker 1: attacker on a motorcycle, he lost control of the motor
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Speaker 1: by and crashed. No autopsy was ever performed on Keith Coney,
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Speaker 1: and I believe that that murder is still unsolved. January
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, Greg Collins failed to appear after being
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Speaker 1: subpoena to testify before the Saline County Grand Jury. He
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Speaker 1: had some evidence to share in the Boys in the
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Speaker 1: Tracks case. As it turns out, Greg Collins had recently
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Speaker 1: been murdered by a shotgun blast to the face, making
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Speaker 1: him unable to testify at the grand jury. Then, in
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Speaker 1: March of nineteen eighty nine, Boonie Bearden, another person who
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Speaker 1: is going to testify in front of the grand jury, disappeared.
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Speaker 1: To this day, his body has never been recovered. An
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Speaker 1: article of his clothing was found in the area where
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Speaker 1: an anonymous caller claimed his murder had taken place, but
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Speaker 1: he's never been found. This anonymous caller has never been
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Speaker 1: tracked down. Nobody knows what happened to Boonie Bearden, And
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Speaker 1: as it turns out, Boonie was a friend of the
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Speaker 1: last two victims who were also murdered, Coney and Collins.
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Speaker 1: So now you've got three people that are going to
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Speaker 1: testify in front of this grand jury who have information
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Speaker 1: about what happened to the boys on the Tracks. They're
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Speaker 1: all dead, and they're not just dead, they're murdered. Now
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Speaker 1: we're gonna jump forward a little bit April of nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety one. Jeff Rhodes is another local man from Arkansas,
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Speaker 1: and one day he snaps. He decides to come clean.
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Speaker 1: He tells his family members that he knows too much
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Speaker 1: about the murders of both the boys on the Tracks,
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Speaker 1: Kevin and Down and another guy named McCaskey. Jeff Rhodes
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Speaker 1: says he knows what happened to the boys on the Tracks.
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Speaker 1: He's frantically telling them this. He seems to be anxious.
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Speaker 1: Shortly afterwards, Jeff Rhodes is found in a dump. But
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Speaker 1: not only is he found in a dump, he's found
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Speaker 1: with a shotgun blast to the head. His head is
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Speaker 1: almost blown completely off and his remains are actually on fire.
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Speaker 1: After telling his own family members that he knows what
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Speaker 1: happened to the Boys on the Tracks, this man, Jeff Rhodes,
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Speaker 1: is assumingly abducted, shot in the face, driven to a dump,
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Speaker 1: and then set on fire. But it doesn't end there.
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Speaker 1: June of nineteen ninety a man named Jordan Kettlsen is
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Speaker 1: found in his vehicle dead from a shotgun blast to
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Speaker 1: the head. But this isn't a random murder. See Jordan
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Speaker 1: Kettlson allegedly had information about the murders of the Boys
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Speaker 1: on the Tracks and the murder of McCaskey. So he
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Speaker 1: had information once again on three murders. But before he
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Speaker 1: could come forward with this information, he was found dead.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, a shotgun blast of the head. This
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Speaker 1: is still an unsolved murder. All these murders are still unsolved,
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Speaker 1: and in June of nineteen ninety five, a man named
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Speaker 1: Mike Samples was shot. Sources claim that Mike participated in
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Speaker 1: retrieving drugs dropped from airplanes in the area. And we're
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Speaker 1: going to get into this theory with the airplane drug
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Speaker 1: drops and everything that was going on with all that
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Speaker 1: stuff in the area and how that's tied into this story.
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Speaker 1: But just keep that name in mind. June nineteen ninety five,
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Speaker 1: Mike Samples is shot. He's allegedly involved in the area
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Speaker 1: with drugs being dropped from airplanes. But to this day,
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Speaker 1: the authorities deny any connection between Mike and the murders
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Speaker 1: of Kevin and Don the boys on the tracks. But
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Speaker 1: back to the investigation. So there you've got a believe
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Speaker 1: five or six very suspicious unsolved deaths, unsolved shootings. Even
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Speaker 1: the guy who was had his throat slit and was
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Speaker 1: chased down the road. No one's ever been able to
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Speaker 1: figure out who was chasing him down the road or why.
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Speaker 1: Those are just things that in this investigation just get
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Speaker 1: glazed over. It don't really matter to investigators for some reason.
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Speaker 1: So the grand jury investigation, eight thousand dollars out of
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Speaker 1: sixteen thousand dollars of Sheriff Steed's office drug enforcement fund
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Speaker 1: went towards the Saline County Grand jury investigation of the
18:29
Speaker 1: boy's deaths strange that they're using drug enforcement money for
18:33
Speaker 1: these murder investigations, and a December second, nineteen eighty eight
18:37
Speaker 1: grand jury hearing. One of the individuals testifying was Troy
18:40
Speaker 1: Lee Warner, an inmate at the Saline County Detention Facility
18:43
Speaker 1: awaiting sentencing for drug charges. Warner previously had a federal
18:47
Speaker 1: court trial which included allegations that drugs involved in his
18:51
Speaker 1: dealings drugs that he had been dealing on the street.
18:53
Speaker 1: He'd gotten those drugs from the Benton Police Department. A
18:57
Speaker 1: federal drug informant, David Zinnermann, was also a witness at
19:00
Speaker 1: the hearing that confirmed some of this information. So after
19:03
Speaker 1: this inmate testified about getting drugs literally from the police
19:07
Speaker 1: to go back and sell in the streets, an internal
19:09
Speaker 1: affairs investigation was conducted at the Benton Police Department regarding
19:13
Speaker 1: these allegations of gross negligence regarding participation in a reverse
19:17
Speaker 1: by operation conducted by the police department in November nineteen
19:21
Speaker 1: eighty seven. Prior to the internal affairs investigation, one of
19:24
Speaker 1: the police department's detectives, a man named Robert Jerman, was
19:27
Speaker 1: charged with five criminal counts two for the possession of
19:30
Speaker 1: a controlled substance, two for the delivery of a controlled substance,
19:34
Speaker 1: and one for theft of property. Robert Jerman left the
19:37
Speaker 1: police force before the investigation began. You could say somebody
19:41
Speaker 1: might have tipped him off and let him know what
19:43
Speaker 1: was happening. Another officer associated with this reverse by drug
19:46
Speaker 1: dealing operation, a man named Lieutenant Bob Holiday, was suspended
19:50
Speaker 1: in July nineteen eighty eight, which was then followed by
19:52
Speaker 1: a medical termination, so they basically didn't face serious charges
19:56
Speaker 1: for drug charges that would get people sentenced to decade
20:00
Speaker 1: in prison. Special Deputy Prosecutor Dan Harmon then resigned from
20:04
Speaker 1: the Civil Service Commission on November fourteenth, nineteen eighty eight.
20:08
Speaker 1: Dan Harmon, the prosecutor in the grand jury, wanted faster
20:11
Speaker 1: action at the time by the Benton Police Department in
20:13
Speaker 1: their internal investigation. It seems like they were dragging their
20:17
Speaker 1: heels waiting to investigate their own. The Benton Police Department
20:21
Speaker 1: was eager to investigate all sorts of petty criminals and
20:23
Speaker 1: bust people for dealing dope, and yet it took them
20:26
Speaker 1: forever to look amongst their own, to look into their
20:28
Speaker 1: own ranks to weed out the rats and weasels from within.
20:32
Speaker 1: It's also a fact that Dan resigned immediately after meeting
20:36
Speaker 1: with Police Chief Rick Elmondoff. So here's how this drug
20:39
Speaker 1: dealing went down in Arkansas within the police department. Allegedly,
20:43
Speaker 1: there was an improper release of drugs from the Benton
20:46
Speaker 1: Police Department's evidence locker by that officer Jerman, who then
20:50
Speaker 1: handed over the drugs to an FBI in foremant a
20:52
Speaker 1: man named Teddy Carter. Teddy Carter was then supposed to
20:55
Speaker 1: sell these drugs in an undercover operation. March of nineteen ninety,
21:00
Speaker 1: Jean Duffy was appointed head of the seventh Judicial District
21:03
Speaker 1: Task Force, which was a joint federal and tri county
21:06
Speaker 1: probe into the epidemic of narcotics trafficking in central Arkansas,
21:10
Speaker 1: and her supervisors, strangely enough, said that she could use
21:13
Speaker 1: her powers to investigate just about anybody in the state.
21:16
Speaker 1: You can go after big drug dealers, cartel members, you
21:19
Speaker 1: can go after anybody. But she could not use the
21:21
Speaker 1: Drug Task Force to investigate any public official. Now that's
21:25
Speaker 1: a little bit strange, isn't it. Why are public officials
21:28
Speaker 1: above scrutiny by the police, so Gen Duffy then began
21:32
Speaker 1: to link Dan Harmon and other public officials to this
21:36
Speaker 1: illegal drug activity. So immediately, Jan didn't listen to what
21:41
Speaker 1: this guy told her not to do, and she began
21:43
Speaker 1: to link Dan Harmon and other public officials to illegal
21:46
Speaker 1: drug activity. The evidence that she collected went to the
21:49
Speaker 1: Assistant US Attorney Bob Govar. Govar was heading a federal
21:53
Speaker 1: grand jury investigation of public corruption in Saline County and
21:57
Speaker 1: at this time Harmon Dan Harmon began to launch a
22:01
Speaker 1: smear campaign against Jean Duffy. So Jean Duffy's task force
22:05
Speaker 1: interviewed people living near where the boys were murdered. One
22:08
Speaker 1: investigator discovered that drug drops had been rumored in that
22:12
Speaker 1: area over the six months before the boys were found.
22:15
Speaker 1: Debt citizens had filed reports of low flying aircraft flying
22:19
Speaker 1: over their houses in the middle of the night with
22:21
Speaker 1: their lights on. Officers would then go out and take
22:24
Speaker 1: reports for these complaints, but no investigations were ever done.
22:28
Speaker 1: So there were these reports flooding in in this small
22:30
Speaker 1: town for months prior to when these boys were killed,
22:33
Speaker 1: that there were people flying aircrafts, very very low, low
22:39
Speaker 1: aircrafts over the town. And dropping drugs all over town,
22:43
Speaker 1: and the police just got these reports, even though they
22:46
Speaker 1: were coming from dozens of different people, all talking about
22:48
Speaker 1: the same thing, and they just thought, Eh, whatever, don't
22:51
Speaker 1: need to look into that. In Gene's investigation, she also
22:54
Speaker 1: came across a confessed drug dealer who testified that she
22:58
Speaker 1: participated in an official, sanctioned drug ring and had picked
23:02
Speaker 1: up coin that had been dropped off in the same
23:05
Speaker 1: area that the boys on the tracks were killed in.
23:08
Speaker 1: So Gene is uncovering all this information. A drug dealer
23:12
Speaker 1: is saying there is a ring of drug dealers in
23:14
Speaker 1: the area that goes all the way up to public officials.
23:17
Speaker 1: You've got this drug corruption inside of the Benton Police Department.
23:21
Speaker 1: You've got people saying they are airplanes flying low over
23:24
Speaker 1: town and people hearing about drugs being dropped, all this
23:26
Speaker 1: drug talk. And what comes after this investigation, Well, in
23:30
Speaker 1: November nineteen ninety, Jane's anti drug task force was dismantled.
23:35
Speaker 1: Nothing came out of it, and in December of nineteen ninety,
23:38
Speaker 1: Jane took her task force evidence to US Attorney Chuck Banks,
23:42
Speaker 1: who said he would continue the investigation. Chuck seemed like
23:45
Speaker 1: he was gonna take this to the next level, he said.
23:47
Speaker 1: He told he promised Jan, I will make sure something
23:51
Speaker 1: happens here. Instead, he shut down the grand jury probe
23:55
Speaker 1: of Saline County public officials, and allegedly he shut down
23:58
Speaker 1: the grand jury in exchange for a federal judge ship
24:01
Speaker 1: nomination from President George H. W. Bush. So a lot
24:06
Speaker 1: of liars in this case, a lot of people omitting
24:09
Speaker 1: the truth, not telling the truth, and actively trying to
24:12
Speaker 1: hide the truth. So in nineteen ninety one, US Attorney
24:15
Speaker 1: Chuck Banks, that guy who shut down the grand jury,
24:17
Speaker 1: held a press conference and cleared publicly all Saline County
24:21
Speaker 1: public officials and insinuated that the grand jury made that decision.
24:26
Speaker 1: See why I don't like grand jury's. A few of
24:28
Speaker 1: the grand jurors contacted Jane, letting her know that they
24:31
Speaker 1: were ready to indict Harmon, Dan Harmon, but were sent
24:34
Speaker 1: home without being allowed to even vote. Correct me if
24:37
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But that's not how a grand jury is
24:39
Speaker 1: supposed to work. They're supposed to vote on something, and
24:41
Speaker 1: then their vote is supposed to count towards whether they're
24:44
Speaker 1: going to indict people. But apparently you had members that
24:48
Speaker 1: were wanting to indict individuals, and yet they publicly said
24:52
Speaker 1: everyone is cleared and the grand jury is shut down
24:55
Speaker 1: and they don't indict anybody. In nineteen ninety four, the
24:57
Speaker 1: FBI opened their own investigation into the boys' deaths after
25:01
Speaker 1: they interviewed a witness who saw Dan Harmon on the
25:04
Speaker 1: tracks with Kevin and Don the night they were murdered.
25:07
Speaker 1: Now this is where his story gets wild. This witness
25:10
Speaker 1: passed a polygraph test and was put into protective custody.
25:14
Speaker 1: In June of nineteen ninety four, Jean Linda, the FBI,
25:17
Speaker 1: and investigative reporters began sharing information between each other, and
25:21
Speaker 1: this is when the connection between the murders and the
25:24
Speaker 1: Mina Inner Mountain Municipal Airport began to develop. So at
25:28
Speaker 1: this point we need to talk about this municipal airport,
25:31
Speaker 1: the controversy around it, and how the plot is about
25:34
Speaker 1: to thicken. So the Mina Inner Mountain Municipal Airport is
25:38
Speaker 1: located close to the city of Mina, Arkansas, in Polk County.
25:41
Speaker 1: Its primary focus is on private aircraft and it does
25:45
Speaker 1: not have a scheduled commercial air service. So this is
25:48
Speaker 1: a small airport for private planes only. So you don't
25:51
Speaker 1: have United you don't have American, you don't have Spirit
25:54
Speaker 1: flying in and out of this airport. It's strictly for
25:57
Speaker 1: private operators, people who own their own planes, private companies, farmers,
26:01
Speaker 1: people like that. And this airport is known worldwide as
26:04
Speaker 1: the central location where illegal drug shipments and weapons transfer
26:09
Speaker 1: has occurred during the Iran Contra conspiracy slash affair. So
26:13
Speaker 1: this airport is already famous because this is where millions
26:17
Speaker 1: of pounds of drugs and thousands of illegal weapons were
26:20
Speaker 1: being flown out of and imported into America. In nineteen
26:24
Speaker 1: eighty two, the police and the town of Mina learned
26:26
Speaker 1: that a major drug smuggler was operating out of their airport.
26:30
Speaker 1: They reached out to the Arkansas State Police and other investigators.
26:33
Speaker 1: But even with reporting this, the federal government didn't want
26:36
Speaker 1: to stop the smuggler. They refused to even act. You
26:39
Speaker 1: had locals saying there's somebody smuggling thousands of pounds of
26:43
Speaker 1: harmful drugs through our airport in and out of the country,
26:47
Speaker 1: federal government does nothing. During the nineteen eighties, you see
26:50
Speaker 1: a large drug smuggling, money laundering, and arms smuggling ring
26:54
Speaker 1: was being ran by Adler Berryman Barry Seal, and this
26:58
Speaker 1: Mina airport was the alleged big for his drug smuggling
27:01
Speaker 1: weapons smuggling activity. The Burry Seal story is pretty crazy itself.
27:05
Speaker 1: There's a great movie where Tom Cruise plays Berry Seal.
27:08
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have seen it, but
27:09
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. The Arkansas State Police, after learning this,
27:12
Speaker 1: began to believe that every time Barry Seal flew a
27:15
Speaker 1: load of drugs in for the US government, that he
27:17
Speaker 1: flew two loads in for himself. Other allegations surrounding this
27:22
Speaker 1: airport are that the CIA used the airport as a
27:24
Speaker 1: base of operations to train pilots and troops for intervention
27:28
Speaker 1: in the Nicaraguan uprising by the Contras in the nineteen eighties.
27:32
Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on here at this airport.
27:34
Speaker 1: There's a legal drug smuggling being run by the government,
27:38
Speaker 1: the US government. They're not stopping it. They want it
27:40
Speaker 1: to happen. You've got rumors that the CIA is using
27:43
Speaker 1: this airport to train secret soldiers to fly in to
27:48
Speaker 1: conflicts we don't belong in. And all in all, it's
27:51
Speaker 1: estimated that three to five billion dollars worth of drugs
27:55
Speaker 1: were smuggled through the Mina Airport over time, and so
27:58
Speaker 1: Burry Seal was running his drug smuggling operation out of
28:01
Speaker 1: this airport. But many people have said that for part
28:04
Speaker 1: of this time, while he was smuggling these drugs, Barry
28:07
Speaker 1: was working closely with the CIA and DEA. The collaboration
28:11
Speaker 1: between these groups in Barry's goal was to expose involvement
28:14
Speaker 1: of the Nicaraguan Sandinista regime as a major supplier of
28:18
Speaker 1: cocaine from Columbia. Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and
28:22
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton all faced criticism over the alleged illegal actions
28:26
Speaker 1: at this specific airport. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee stated
28:30
Speaker 1: that all charges in cases dealing with Barry Seal and
28:33
Speaker 1: others with ties to the airport were dropped due to
28:36
Speaker 1: potential national security risks. George HW. Bush didn't try to
28:40
Speaker 1: prosecute any people involved in the drug smuggling or arms
28:43
Speaker 1: dealing during his term as president, and any individuals in
28:46
Speaker 1: the public eye that had a connection to the airport
28:48
Speaker 1: made no effort to investigate or prosecute anyone involved. Now
28:52
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if anyone I could be wrong, but
28:55
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody ever really was convicted for any
28:58
Speaker 1: of this drug smuggling. I mean, you got three to
29:00
Speaker 1: five billion dollars worth of drugs being smuggled in an airport,
29:03
Speaker 1: nobody goes down for it. The government at that time
29:06
Speaker 1: was busy with the War on drugs, imprisoning tons of
29:10
Speaker 1: nonviolent offenders because of drugs, and yet they're publicly smuggling
29:15
Speaker 1: billions of dollars worth of drugs. Doesn't really make sense,
29:18
Speaker 1: and it kind of pisses you off. So October seventh,
29:21
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, Bill Clinton is asked at a press
29:24
Speaker 1: conference about MINA whether he was told about the activities
29:28
Speaker 1: that occurred at the airport while he was the governor.
29:30
Speaker 1: Bill of course stated he wasn't told anything about the
29:33
Speaker 1: drug smuggling at the airport, and in a further comment,
29:36
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton said the alleged events quote were primarily a
29:39
Speaker 1: matter for federal jurisdiction. The state really had nothing to
29:42
Speaker 1: do with it. The local prosecutor did investigate based on
29:45
Speaker 1: what was in the jurisdiction of state law. The rest
29:47
Speaker 1: of it was under the jurisdiction of the United States
29:49
Speaker 1: attorneys who were appointed successively by previous administrations. We had
29:54
Speaker 1: nothing zero to do with it end quote. So Bill saying,
29:58
Speaker 1: whatever happened, there wasn't our fault. We knew nothing about
30:01
Speaker 1: the billions of dollars worth of drugs that were being
30:03
Speaker 1: smuggled in the airport by the United States government, even
30:06
Speaker 1: though I'm the top United States government official in the state. Weird.
30:10
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty eight, the prosecuting attorney for the district
30:13
Speaker 1: encompassing the Mina Airport the land around this airport issued
30:17
Speaker 1: a press statement complaining that the drug trafficking investigation had
30:21
Speaker 1: been thwarted because of links between the criminals activities and
30:25
Speaker 1: the quote private wars conducted by the Reagan White House
30:29
Speaker 1: end quote. So you've got Ronald Reagan and Nancy Reagan
30:32
Speaker 1: up there. We're on drugs. Drugs are bad, we need
30:35
Speaker 1: to stop drugs, and they're involved in smuggling billions of
30:38
Speaker 1: dollars worth of drugs into our country. Definitely makes you,
30:41
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are Reagan fans out there,
30:43
Speaker 1: but this is the type of that really makes you
30:45
Speaker 1: go back and look at a person holistically, and it's
30:48
Speaker 1: just like they all lie. They all lie. Then we
30:50
Speaker 1: get to the CIA involvement with this airport. A report
30:53
Speaker 1: that was commissioned by Republican Congressman Jim Leach of Iowa,
30:57
Speaker 1: chairman of the House Banking Committee, contained inform from the
31:00
Speaker 1: CIA's Inspector General's Office acknowledging that the CIA did have
31:05
Speaker 1: a hand in activities that occurred at the Mina Airport.
31:08
Speaker 1: These admissions included that they conducted a two week long
31:12
Speaker 1: joint training operation with another federal agency at Mina Inner
31:16
Speaker 1: Mountain Municipal Airport, They used the airport for routine aviation
31:20
Speaker 1: related services on agency equipment, and they did so much more.
31:24
Speaker 1: A former Arkansas State Police trooper, a man named L. D. Brown,
31:28
Speaker 1: was actually a CIA applicant who wanted to work there
31:30
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four, and his application was rejected near
31:34
Speaker 1: the end of that year. The CIA also admitted that
31:37
Speaker 1: their personnel had had limited contact. That's a quote with
31:40
Speaker 1: Barry Seal, that major drug trafficker and federal informant who
31:44
Speaker 1: worked out of the same airport. Two individuals, Terry Redd
31:47
Speaker 1: who was a former CIA operative, and LD Brown, that
31:51
Speaker 1: state trooper who actually had worked security detail for then
31:54
Speaker 1: Governor Bill Clinton, went public with claims that they knew
31:58
Speaker 1: of CIA involvement at Minai airport, so Terry Red and L. D. Brown. LD.
32:02
Speaker 1: Brown is rejected by the CIA. I don't know if
32:05
Speaker 1: he's got a bone to pick with them, but they
32:07
Speaker 1: decided to blow the lid off of this whole thing.
32:09
Speaker 1: So L. D. Brown, who had once worked for Clinton's
32:12
Speaker 1: security detail, he was Bill Clinton's bodyguard when he was governor.
32:15
Speaker 1: He stated that while he was being considered by the
32:17
Speaker 1: CIA for employment, he was taken on two airplane rides
32:21
Speaker 1: from Mina to Honduras. He claimed that he witnessed Nicaragua
32:24
Speaker 1: contra rebels as they were given M sixteen rifles in
32:28
Speaker 1: exchange for quantities of coin, which were then flown back
32:32
Speaker 1: from Nicaragua to the United States airport in Mina. So
32:35
Speaker 1: LD Brown, in his testimony, then said that after he
32:38
Speaker 1: was taken in Nicaragua, he saw American operatives trade guns
32:42
Speaker 1: for cocaine. He was then flown back to America. He
32:45
Speaker 1: saw the drugs coming into the Mina airport in Arkansas.
32:47
Speaker 1: He then went to Governor Bill Clinton, who he was
32:51
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton's bodyguard, and he was assumingly somewhat close to
32:55
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, and he told him what he had seen.
32:57
Speaker 1: He saw millions of dollars worth of drugs being flown
33:00
Speaker 1: into his state, But according to L. D. Brown, Bill
33:03
Speaker 1: Clinton wasn't surprised. It was almost as if he already
33:06
Speaker 1: knew that this was going on. Keep in mind, in
33:08
Speaker 1: that statement, Bill Clinton says he had nothing to do
33:11
Speaker 1: with this, and he knows nothing about it now. In
33:13
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, the CIA Director William Casey suggested that
33:17
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North organize a covert transportation system to
33:22
Speaker 1: supply weapons to the Contrasts that rebel group in Nicaragua.
33:26
Speaker 1: CIA Director Casey advised him to contact retired Army General
33:30
Speaker 1: Richard V. Secord, who was acting as a four hire contractor,
33:34
Speaker 1: who then found pilots to make these secret air drops
33:37
Speaker 1: over Nicaragua. So you got this whole thing going on here.
33:40
Speaker 1: You've got guns being flown to Nicaragua, which is illegal.
33:44
Speaker 1: You've got drugs being flown to America, which is illegal.
33:46
Speaker 1: You've got the United States meddling in foreign affairs and
33:49
Speaker 1: rebel groups and trying to overthrow governments, which is highly illegal.
33:53
Speaker 1: All of this is covered up, but you've got these
33:55
Speaker 1: CIA people admitting that it was happening. And Barry Seal
33:59
Speaker 1: himself was an interesting figure. In all this, who was
34:02
Speaker 1: Barry Seal? As a commercial seven forty seven pilot. Barry
34:05
Speaker 1: Seal had lost his job with TWA when he was
34:08
Speaker 1: found loading a transport plane with close to seven tons
34:12
Speaker 1: of plastic explosives. At his first trial, the judge declared
34:15
Speaker 1: it as a mistrial due to unspecified quote government misconduct.
34:20
Speaker 1: At the second trial, the judge dismissed the charges against
34:23
Speaker 1: Barry Seal. As you see, the explosives he was loading
34:26
Speaker 1: were destined for Cuba and were to be delivered to
34:29
Speaker 1: anti Castro Cubans trained by the CIA. Theories were that
34:33
Speaker 1: Seal may have been working for the government as an
34:36
Speaker 1: independent contractor this entire time. So, following the ruin of
34:40
Speaker 1: his commercial carrier career, meaning Barry wasn't allowed to fly
34:44
Speaker 1: for anybody not United American Spirit, none of them, Barry
34:47
Speaker 1: started smuggling Mariana and then escalated to working for the
34:50
Speaker 1: Colombian cartel directly under the head of the cartel, Jorge
34:55
Speaker 1: Luis Achoa. The Polk County Sheriff's Department, the Arkansas State Police,
34:59
Speaker 1: the FBI, and d When the IRS all knew about
35:01
Speaker 1: Barry Seal's activities, they were aware of federal ID numbers
35:05
Speaker 1: being altered on planes, substantial amounts of unrecorded cash flowing
35:09
Speaker 1: into local banks, and their informants were reporting that they
35:12
Speaker 1: saw drug shipments coming into the airport, and yet they
35:15
Speaker 1: did nothing. Well, that is until nineteen eighty four, when
35:18
Speaker 1: Barry Seal was indicted in Florida on charges of money
35:21
Speaker 1: laundering and drug smuggling. After Barry was freed on bond,
35:24
Speaker 1: he flew directly to Washington, d c. And was given
35:28
Speaker 1: an immediate appointment with two members of then Vice President
35:31
Speaker 1: Bush's Drug Task Force. The task force members then set
35:35
Speaker 1: up a meeting between Barry Seal and individuals from the
35:38
Speaker 1: Justice Department and the DEA, and at this point Barry
35:41
Speaker 1: Seal agreed to become an undercover informant and collect evidence
35:45
Speaker 1: against the drug cartel. Now Barry Seal's drug smuggling operation
35:49
Speaker 1: continued so that he could keep his cover. The operation
35:52
Speaker 1: was said to be now under DEA control. So this
35:55
Speaker 1: means the government did know about this the entire time.
35:58
Speaker 1: But what happened to the drugs that Barry b into
36:00
Speaker 1: the United States, where the drugs ended up while he
36:02
Speaker 1: was working for the DEA remains unanswered. The DEA also
36:06
Speaker 1: did not notify law enforcement authorities in Arkansas that Barry
36:10
Speaker 1: Seal was an informant working for the US government, So
36:14
Speaker 1: we don't know where the drugs went. Probably went into
36:16
Speaker 1: the noses of users who god knows how many people
36:20
Speaker 1: died from overdoses or were addicted to this stuff. And
36:23
Speaker 1: you got the face of the government government publicly saying
36:26
Speaker 1: don't do drugs, and yet they're smuggling billions of dollars
36:29
Speaker 1: worth of drugs. I mean, it's just crooked man. Barry
36:31
Speaker 1: Seal testified in nineteen eighty three the CIA agents rigged
36:35
Speaker 1: a camera to the back of his plane. He then
36:37
Speaker 1: stated that he used the camera to take a blurred
36:39
Speaker 1: photograph that was said to show Sandinista officials in Nicaragua
36:43
Speaker 1: helping local Coreen dealers load drugs into the plane. Lieutenant
36:47
Speaker 1: Colonel Oliver North mentioned this arrangement with Barry Seal in
36:50
Speaker 1: his book under Fire. President Ronald Reagan also displayed this
36:54
Speaker 1: photograph on national TV to get Congress to authorize more
36:58
Speaker 1: help for the contrasts. But after this, Barry Seal was
37:00
Speaker 1: indicted again. He was able to work out in agreement
37:03
Speaker 1: to stay out of prison by testifying against the cartel,
37:06
Speaker 1: and his testimony assisted in bringing federal indictments against eleven men.
37:10
Speaker 1: These included two cartel leaders who were rumored to control
37:14
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the co arriving into the United States.
37:17
Speaker 1: But in August of nineteen eighty five, at a drug
37:19
Speaker 1: trial in Nevada, Barry Seal claimed he worked for both
37:22
Speaker 1: the CIA and the DEA. You see, his gross income
37:25
Speaker 1: since March nineteen eighty four was more than seven hundred
37:28
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and he had brought more than one thousand,
37:30
Speaker 1: five hundred pounds of cocaine into the United States. He
37:34
Speaker 1: also stated that the DEA had allowed him to keep
37:36
Speaker 1: five hundred and seventy five thousand dollars for one of
37:39
Speaker 1: his co shipments. So while Barry Seal was working for
37:42
Speaker 1: the DEA and allegedly the CIA, state and federal officials
37:46
Speaker 1: in Arkansas were completely blocked from investigating him. Seal appeared
37:50
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty five before the President's Committee on Organized Crime,
37:53
Speaker 1: where he described his work both as a drug runner
37:56
Speaker 1: and as a US undercover operative working for the CIA.
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Speaker 1: Soon Jon Barry Seal was facing charges in both Florida
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Speaker 1: and Louisiana, but since he testified. The Florida judge reduced
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Speaker 1: his sentence to six months of probation. The Louisiana judge
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Speaker 1: added to the order that Barry Seal was not allowed
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Speaker 1: to carry a firearm or higher bodyguards. He was to
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Speaker 1: report daily to a Salvation Army halfway house in Baton
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Speaker 1: Rouge at the same time every day for the length
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Speaker 1: of his probation. Now, isn't that just strange. You've got
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Speaker 1: this guy that's working for the government. He's working an
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Speaker 1: extremely dangerous job undercover with the Colombian cartel, running drugs,
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Speaker 1: pissing so many people off with these indictments, and yet
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Speaker 1: a ruling from the government comes down on Barry Seal
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Speaker 1: and he's not allowed to hire bodyguards, he's not allowed
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Speaker 1: to have protection, he's not allowed to carry a firearm
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Speaker 1: to protect himself, and he's also supposed to report daily
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Speaker 1: to this same halfway house at the same time of day.
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Speaker 1: It's almost like they're setting him up to get whacked, right,
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Speaker 1: You got to show up defenseless without any protection at
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Speaker 1: this same spot every single day for the next six months, year,
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Speaker 1: however long he was supposed to do it for. It
39:04
Speaker 1: should be no surprise then that Burry Seal was gunned
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Speaker 1: down and killed less than six months after he was sentenced.
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Speaker 1: But why was Barry Seal killed? What's the deal with this?
39:15
Speaker 1: But now we got to get back to the boys
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Speaker 1: on the track. So let's go back to the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: These two boys are found dead on the tracks, very
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Speaker 1: close to Mina, to that airport, very very close to
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Speaker 1: where all of that huge hub of CIA, FBI, all
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Speaker 1: of that was happening. They're found on these train tracks.
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Speaker 1: The officials want to say it's a suicide or an
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Speaker 1: accidental death so badly they rule out the homicide. Then
39:36
Speaker 1: it comes out that police officers in that town are
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Speaker 1: involved in drug activity. Then it comes out that there's
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Speaker 1: a CIA and drug running involved, and people are now
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Speaker 1: wondering what the hell really happened to the boys on
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Speaker 1: the tracks. Well, given the amount of drug trafficking that
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Speaker 1: was occurring in that area, the most common theory and
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Speaker 1: the most plausible theory is that those two boys stumbled
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Speaker 1: across a drug drop or another type of drug traff transaction.
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Speaker 1: Then people think they were simply murdered because of what
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Speaker 1: they saw, and that's very plausible. I mean, in that town,
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Speaker 1: you had people talking about the airplanes flying low witnessing
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Speaker 1: drugs being dropped. They always dropped these drugs out in
40:13
Speaker 1: secluded areas like lots of trees, nature areas, dirt roads,
40:17
Speaker 1: train track areas where there weren't people. So Richard Garrett
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Speaker 1: told Robert Stack on Unsolved Mysteries that he thought the
40:24
Speaker 1: boys may have seen something that they shouldn't have and
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Speaker 1: were murdered because of drugs a lab or that the
40:30
Speaker 1: individuals involved in the drug production may have thought the
40:33
Speaker 1: boys had too much information. He also said that Saline
40:37
Speaker 1: County and the central Arkansas area is overrun with drug
40:40
Speaker 1: trafficking at an elevated level that extends into other states
40:44
Speaker 1: and counties. But who killed the boys, Well, we have
40:47
Speaker 1: a couple of suspects. There's the suspect who's the main suspect,
40:51
Speaker 1: whose identity is still unknown. On August seventeenth, a police
40:55
Speaker 1: officer tried to stop a man who was walking on
40:57
Speaker 1: the road about two miles from where the boys were killed.
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Speaker 1: When the officer turned on his lights, the man ran.
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Speaker 1: On the day that the boys were murdered, a man
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Speaker 1: fitting the same description was seen about five blocks from
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Speaker 1: a railroad crossing that was close to the scene of
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Speaker 1: the crime. Don Henry also mentioned to one of his
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Speaker 1: friends before he was killed that he had been shot
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Speaker 1: at one time when he was on the railroad tracks
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Speaker 1: by a man in a white pickup. Don also said
41:21
Speaker 1: that there was a guy that said if he caught
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Speaker 1: anyone in that area, he would chase them off the
41:25
Speaker 1: land and possibly kill them. Now, we have a list
41:28
Speaker 1: of people that were probably involved in these murders, but
41:31
Speaker 1: we don't know exactly who did what. You've got Dan
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Speaker 1: Harmon who was the prosecutor seen with the boys the
41:36
Speaker 1: day of the murder, Richard Garrett who was the deputy prosecutor,
41:40
Speaker 1: Jim Stead who was the sheriff, Jerry Campbell who was
41:43
Speaker 1: a police officer, Kirk Lane who was a police officer,
41:46
Speaker 1: and Danny Allen who was another police officer. But out
41:48
Speaker 1: of all of those individuals, I just named Kirk Lane
41:51
Speaker 1: and Jay Campbell, the two police officers are considered most
41:55
Speaker 1: likely to be the killers you see at the time
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Speaker 1: of the boy's deaths k Lane was an undercover detective
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Speaker 1: for the Narcotics Division of the Pulaski County Sheriff's Office. Previously,
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Speaker 1: he'd worked at the Benton Police department. Jay Campbell was
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Speaker 1: a lieutenant with the Pulaski County Sheriff's Department, and they
42:12
Speaker 1: worked together at times, and sometimes their investigations crossed over
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Speaker 1: into Saline County. Witness Ronnie Godwin, interviewed on June twentieth,
42:21
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, stated that on his way home on
42:24
Speaker 1: August twenty second or twenty third, nineteen eighty eight, he
42:27
Speaker 1: pulled over on the side of the road and observed
42:29
Speaker 1: a police car sitting in the driveway to the grocery store.
42:32
Speaker 1: He saw two men that he believed to be police officers,
42:34
Speaker 1: and one of the men was pushing a teenage boy
42:37
Speaker 1: up against a phone booth and the other boy was
42:39
Speaker 1: lying or kneeling on the ground. The men put the
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Speaker 1: boys in the back of the car and drove away.
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Speaker 1: The car returned five to ten minutes later, and the
42:46
Speaker 1: boys were not in the back anymore. The witness only
42:49
Speaker 1: saw something that looked like a garbage bag in the
42:51
Speaker 1: back seat. He also provided a diagram detailing the location
42:55
Speaker 1: of the individuals in relation to one another. The descriptions
42:57
Speaker 1: of the police matched Kirk Lane and Jake Campbell. Another
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Speaker 1: witness named Sandy Duncan said she saw both of the
43:04
Speaker 1: boys at the grocery store at around four am. So
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Speaker 1: Sandy is basically confirming this story of seeing police and
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Speaker 1: the boys at the same grocery store at the same
43:14
Speaker 1: time frame. On the same day. On February twenty first,
43:17
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, Mike Crook, another witness, gave a statement for
43:20
Speaker 1: the morning the boy's bodies were found. Someone he knew
43:23
Speaker 1: as Jerry told him that he was sitting across from
43:26
Speaker 1: the grocery store and saw two boys walk up to
43:29
Speaker 1: the grocery store and one boy rode up on a motorcycle.
43:32
Speaker 1: The three of them were smoking a joint, and then
43:34
Speaker 1: the boy on the motorcycle rode off. Then an unmarked
43:37
Speaker 1: police car pulled up and the two plane closed police
43:39
Speaker 1: officers got out. Then an unmarked police car pulled up
43:42
Speaker 1: and two plane closed police officers got out. One of
43:45
Speaker 1: them was Kirk Lane and the other one he didn't know,
43:48
Speaker 1: but he said he was a large man. The police
43:49
Speaker 1: officers and the boys then got into an argument. The
43:52
Speaker 1: police officers beat the boys unconscious and then threw their
43:55
Speaker 1: bodies into the back of their car. You got another
43:58
Speaker 1: witness now confirming what happened to these boys at this
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Speaker 1: grocery store. But who did this we still don't know.
44:04
Speaker 1: And now some closing thoughts. So, given the amount of
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Speaker 1: drug trafficking occurring in the area and the alleged knowledge
44:10
Speaker 1: of government officials of the activities occurring at the Mina
44:13
Speaker 1: Inner Mountain Municipal Airport, are these agencies partially responsible for
44:17
Speaker 1: the boy's deaths? Is it the state and county officials
44:20
Speaker 1: that should be held accountable and the death of these
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Speaker 1: two boys. What drives people to this level of corruption?
44:25
Speaker 1: Is it power, money, or fear or something else altogether.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's all too suspicious. You have
44:32
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton as a governor at the time, saying he
44:35
Speaker 1: doesn't know anything about this drug smuggling and these drug
44:38
Speaker 1: activities that are happening in his state, when he got
44:40
Speaker 1: billions of dollars worth of being smuggled in and out,
44:43
Speaker 1: and yet lots of people are saying they either told
44:46
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton or they were working closely with these organizations.
44:49
Speaker 1: He had to know, he had to know what was happening.
44:51
Speaker 1: And you've got all of this drug smuggling happening in
44:54
Speaker 1: the same area as the boys on the tracks. So
44:56
Speaker 1: if there was a smuggler out there and these two
44:59
Speaker 1: boys just happened to come across. You know, imagine it
45:02
Speaker 1: like this. The two boys, Don and Henry are walking
45:06
Speaker 1: along the train tracks. They're walking somewhere in the area.
45:09
Speaker 1: They turn around a corner and there's a couple guys
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Speaker 1: with one thousand pounds of coke sitting there. They just
45:15
Speaker 1: fell down from the sky on drug shipment and drug drop.
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Speaker 1: What are the guys gonna do. They're certainly not going
45:20
Speaker 1: to let these two witnesses bust them with thousands of
45:23
Speaker 1: pounds of drugs or however much they had. More than
45:26
Speaker 1: likely they would kill them. And the fact is that
45:28
Speaker 1: the government was allowing this smuggling to go on. So
45:32
Speaker 1: in my mind, my personal thoughts are that the government
45:35
Speaker 1: knows who killed these boys. The government may have even
45:37
Speaker 1: had these boys killed, but that's why they never prosecuted anybody.
45:41
Speaker 1: You know, I could even see because the government were
45:44
Speaker 1: involved in these plots through the drug trafficking in Arkansas
45:49
Speaker 1: at the time. I could see somebody reporting to government officials,
45:53
Speaker 1: you know, hey, these two boys saw all of these
45:55
Speaker 1: drugs and saw our faces. What do we do? And
45:57
Speaker 1: I could see somebody higher up saying just take them out.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they've taken out larger targets before, and to
46:03
Speaker 1: this day these murders are unsolved. I mean, it just
46:06
Speaker 1: makes no sense. How have they not solved these crimes.
46:09
Speaker 1: You've got witness testimony claiming they all saw the same
46:12
Speaker 1: thing happening at the same place and the same people involved,
46:15
Speaker 1: and yet they have never been charged or anything. It's
46:18
Speaker 1: incredibly bizarre. And if the government is involved or is
46:21
Speaker 1: covering for the killers, or if they even had them
46:24
Speaker 1: killed themselves, that's disgusting and morally reprehensible. But yeah, comment
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46:38
Speaker 1: back next week with another story. This is really exciting.
46:41
Speaker 1: I love talking about this stuff because this is stuff
46:43
Speaker 1: we need to be talking about that nobody talks about.
46:46
Speaker 1: We need to hold our damn government accountable, and not
46:49
Speaker 1: just our government, anybody who's corrupted. You got corruptible businessmen,
46:52
Speaker 1: you got corruptible people in the medical insurance industry, you
46:55
Speaker 1: got corruptible politicians, corruptible celebrities, corruptible you know, every single
47:00
Speaker 1: country Anybody with power needs to be held accountable. And
47:03
Speaker 1: you know what's the biggest way to hold them accountable
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Speaker 1: by learning about this, taking it in, and talking about
47:09
Speaker 1: it with people. Knowledge is power, my friends. Anyways, thank
47:13
Speaker 1: you so much for listening to me rant. We will
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47:19
Speaker 1: Keep that tinfoil hat on and I'll catch you on
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