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Fast Times at Ridgemont High with Paige Weldon and Emily Faye · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have
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  Speaker 1: women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and
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  Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in
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  Speaker 1: best start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hi,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie
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  Speaker 1: Loftus and I'm Caitlin Darante and this is our podcast
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  Speaker 1: about the representation of women in famous movies. Wow, there
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  Speaker 1: where we are for episode? What is its one million?
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  Speaker 1: There's still there's still so it just crazy me the
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  Speaker 1: show that has been happening for three years and we're
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  Speaker 1: still like, not even remotely through influential movies. There's so
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  Speaker 1: many left. I'm surprised it took us this long to
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  Speaker 1: get to this one today. I think this is the
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  Speaker 1: first time they're recovering a Cameron Crow joint. I would say,
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  Speaker 1: mercifully hold that as long as humanly possible, but sure
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  Speaker 1: it's time to take a long, hard look at the
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  Speaker 1: scourge of Crow. Yeah, because what he's got. Jerry Maguire, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. Almost famous boring? Right? Aloha offensive
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  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Town. Not offensive in the same way as Aloha,
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  Speaker 1: but like offensively boring. We've got the Manic Pixie. We've
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  Speaker 1: got yeah origins. Um. Anyways, The Bechdel Cast is FAMAS
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  Speaker 1: Movie podcast. We use the Bechdel Test sometimes called the
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  Speaker 1: Bechtel Wallace Test too, as a jumping out point for
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  Speaker 1: a discussion, which is a media metric invented by cartoonist
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  Speaker 1: Alison Bechdel that requires that a movie have two female
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  Speaker 1: identifying characters with names that talk to each other about
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  Speaker 1: something other than man. Can Cameron Crowe do it? I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he probably not. I think he's ever done it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think that Cameron I really like watching
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  Speaker 1: We're doing Fast Times at Ridgemont High today. I really
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  Speaker 1: didn't real eyes the amount that I find Cameron Crowe's
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  Speaker 1: work to be annoying. Yeah, it's capacity for annoying me
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  Speaker 1: in different ways knows no bounds. Sure, let's talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: We have two guests today. We do, we do, Indeed,
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  Speaker 1: we mustn't delay. They are comedians and hosts of Mall
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  Speaker 1: Talk podcast, Page Weldon and Emily Faye. Hi. Hello, welcome,
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  Speaker 1: than you having us Hey anytime. I am realizing right
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  Speaker 1: now I'm really bad at knowing who made a movie,
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  Speaker 1: who the director is, and I feel like I didn't
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  Speaker 1: realize that Cameron Crowe did all those other movies like WHOA,
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  Speaker 1: What a career, What a legacy? The legacy that Cameron
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  Speaker 1: crow leaves is immeasurable. And we'll talk about this. But
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  Speaker 1: so Cameron Crowe wrote the screenplay and then also wrote
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  Speaker 1: the book that this is adapted from. Amy Heckerling directed
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  Speaker 1: the film, and I found out that Amy Hackerling was
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  Speaker 1: my age when she directed this movie, and it made
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  Speaker 1: me feel like ship made me feel bad but good
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  Speaker 1: for her, good for her, but maybe feel like sh Sure. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so let's talk about your your relationship in history with
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  Speaker 1: the movie. Uh, page will start with you. Um, I
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  Speaker 1: had never seen it before. I have seen almost famous,
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  Speaker 1: I have seen Aloha. You were one of the fourteen
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  Speaker 1: people that saw Aloha. You know. I saw it as
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  Speaker 1: a goof at that two dollar theater and it was
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  Speaker 1: so it was like bad in ways I had not expected.
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  Speaker 1: It was like I was confused during it. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know what was happening. I had never seen Past Times
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  Speaker 1: a Ridgemont High. I feel like it was a classic
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  Speaker 1: that just I skipped for whatever reason. And Emily suggested
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  Speaker 1: as a very like mole movie. Um, and I watched
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago for the very first time. Okay, also, Emily,
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  Speaker 1: that brings to you. I saw it when I was
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  Speaker 1: like younger. I think probably like twice, like once when
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  Speaker 1: I was like younger, younger once it's like a teenager.
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  Speaker 1: I could be absolutely wrong about this, but I could
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  Speaker 1: be mixing up with something else. I have the memory
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  Speaker 1: that maybe my mom recommended I watched it potentially is
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  Speaker 1: like like maybe remembered it as like one of those
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  Speaker 1: like classic eighties movies and not you know, but I
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  Speaker 1: I could also be wrong on that. But I really
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  Speaker 1: liked it. And then I hadn't seen it in years,
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  Speaker 1: and I rewatched it last night. Um And I had
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  Speaker 1: remembered so little about It's a wild watch. I had
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  Speaker 1: seen it at least one I think once before, probably
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  Speaker 1: in college, because I was like, oh, you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: one of those iconic movies that you know, I have
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  Speaker 1: to see. I didn't remember a single thing from it
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  Speaker 1: except for like Jeff Spiccoli being like a stoner surfer dude.
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  Speaker 1: Like that was the one thing, the one aspect of
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  Speaker 1: it that I remembered, and nothing else. It all registered
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  Speaker 1: in my memory. So when I watched it again a
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  Speaker 1: couple of days ago, I was just like, oh wait,
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Jason Lee is in this, Judge Reinhold is in this.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Reinhold is extremely in this, and you didn't remember,
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  Speaker 1: like what the story was. The Force Whittaker is in
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  Speaker 1: this movie. Nick Cage who is credited as Nicholas Coppola
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  Speaker 1: before he was like, oh wait, nepotism maybe a bad
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  Speaker 1: look for me. It is, so yeah, I don't have
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  Speaker 1: a long history with this at all, but yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there it is. I hadn't seen it either. I just
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  Speaker 1: don't live as if you've been listening to the Cheffer.
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  Speaker 1: While I just don't like movie most movies released in
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. It's a time and culture that I
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  Speaker 1: find very weird. It's pretty toxic time and annoying that
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  Speaker 1: in like the early two thousands are like two times
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  Speaker 1: that you're just like, ah, yeah, it's a very Republican
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  Speaker 1: presidency going on right now. Um, So you know, I
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  Speaker 1: hadn't seen it. Now I can't say that anymore, and
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  Speaker 1: that's my I did wish I had seen it when
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  Speaker 1: I was younger, because I felt like I kept watching
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  Speaker 1: it and being like, honey, no, don't I want to
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  Speaker 1: stay up top. I do like this movie. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a good movie, and I don't like most eighties movies.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like John Hughes movies, but this one feels
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  Speaker 1: different in a way that I think I kind of
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  Speaker 1: think it holds up. Honestly, I think there's parts of it,
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  Speaker 1: some parts they did do and then others really don't
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  Speaker 1: um and we'll talk about them. But I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: you're comparing this movie to other, like comparable mainstream eighties
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  Speaker 1: teen comedies, I would say the most notable of those
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  Speaker 1: are things like Revenge of the Nerds, sixteen Candles, Breakfast Club, Porkis,
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  Speaker 1: like are so flagrantly problematic and toxic and horrible that
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  Speaker 1: fast times. The Ridgemont High does feel a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more progressive, but there are still it felt like reeler,
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  Speaker 1: which makes sense because it's like based on camera, like
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  Speaker 1: the backstories that Cameron Crow under cover actually based on
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  Speaker 1: his experiences on girls. A weird man. He's a weird man,
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  Speaker 1: but I guess he was young enough. He was like
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  Speaker 1: in his early twenties and he went to high school
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  Speaker 1: and he wrote about the I think it was in
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  Speaker 1: Santa Something Claremont, San Diego, Dimont High in San Diego.
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  Speaker 1: He yeah, he went undercover with like in participation with
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  Speaker 1: the school's administration, like they know what they knew what
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  Speaker 1: was happening ing. Uh. He went undercover originally with the
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  Speaker 1: intention of writing like a nonfiction book, but then it
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  Speaker 1: turned and then he turned it into a novel as
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  Speaker 1: he was never been kissing in in San Diego. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And then that book was published in eighty one, and
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  Speaker 1: then the film adaptation came out in eighty two. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because it was like bought as a movie before the
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  Speaker 1: book even like came at Cameron Crowe was a hot
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  Speaker 1: property at this at this time because he was like
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  Speaker 1: he started writing for Rolling Stone when he was sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what Almost Famous is about. And there's I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, he was like a little young writer prodigy
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  Speaker 1: um that everyone was really excited about. And then Elizabeth
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  Speaker 1: Town came out and that's just sort of the story
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  Speaker 1: of this. I forgot to say, I hate Elizabeth Town.
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  Speaker 1: Actually really loved Almost Famous growing up, and now the
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  Speaker 1: way you guys are talking about it, I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think most people do. I just find it. I
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  Speaker 1: just say, who came? I really liked it, and then
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't know what changed in me,
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  Speaker 1: but I just I don't know. I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 1: like it now. I also didn't know a camera crew
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  Speaker 1: also wrote and directed say anything, which I have not. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's when we must cover it. So I know
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  Speaker 1: that's like on the must he's yeah, he's where isn't he?
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  Speaker 1: But there? I do like it feels like this movie
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  Speaker 1: is like written. It feels more authentic than other eighties
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  Speaker 1: high school movies, which like yeah, because it's based on
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  Speaker 1: at least some kernels of stuff that he witnessed. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so a lot of it was like I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're it's, it's it's there's there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: going on. Should we should we talk about it? Let's
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  Speaker 1: dive into the recap, so we meet some teens who
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  Speaker 1: have jobs at the Ridgemont Mall. Oh, I should also say,
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  Speaker 1: I think hard of the Other reason I watched the
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  Speaker 1: first time when I was younger is because the exterior
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  Speaker 1: of the mall is my childhood mall. No, that's not
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  Speaker 1: the interior, but the exterior shots are the Santa Monica plays,
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  Speaker 1: So that was big to me. Okay, having your mom
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  Speaker 1: featured in a prominent movie is a moment. That's I'm
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  Speaker 1: thrilled for you. That's really exciting. It is so weird
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  Speaker 1: how many movies they shoot the exterior mall is different
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  Speaker 1: from the interior mall. Now, are any of the malls
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  Speaker 1: the Glendelle Galeria our favorite mall on the Pactol cast,
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  Speaker 1: of course it's well not the Americana Well, okay, I
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  Speaker 1: you know, America Guy is a pretentious elitist ship whole
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  Speaker 1: without sand there. I there's the Dungan dunnuts is. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're the like there, beautiful partnership, symbiotic relationship. The many
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  Speaker 1: things I love about Mantonka is um, they don't choose
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  Speaker 1: between the America Ga there. We don't compare beautiful women,
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  Speaker 1: beautiful powerful women don't need to be compared their neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: And that's see I'm die hard. Glendelle Galleria stand they
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  Speaker 1: have and we can't take that away true anyway. So
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  Speaker 1: the mall is where they work, and we meet Mark
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  Speaker 1: Ratner a k rat He works at the movie theater.
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  Speaker 1: His pal Mike Demone scalps concert tickets for a living
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  Speaker 1: across the way Stacy. That's Jennifer Jason Lee and her
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  Speaker 1: friend Linda Phoebe Kates work at a pizza place. We
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  Speaker 1: see Stacy gets hit on by an older guy. She
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  Speaker 1: tells him that she is nineteen. We find out that
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  Speaker 1: she's actually fifteen, he's twenty six. They exchange numbers. Oh honey,
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  Speaker 1: no moment. Yeah. We meet Brad Judge Reinholtz character. He
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  Speaker 1: works at a burger joint. And then we meet Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Spicoli Sean Penn of course, and he is a stoner
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  Speaker 1: surfer dude who just kind of hangs around sound and
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  Speaker 1: he seems to not wear a shirt very often. Classic
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  Speaker 1: San Diego, right, and then we cut to Ridgemont High
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  Speaker 1: where there are fast times. Um. Brad seems kind of
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  Speaker 1: like a big man on campus. He's got a cool car.
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  Speaker 1: Spicoli is stoned and he's late to us history class
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  Speaker 1: with Mr Hand who gives him a hard time. Then
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  Speaker 1: we cut this Mr Hand or Mr Ham Mr Hand.
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  Speaker 1: Really the cracks are starting to show. I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: his name that character like the real person it has
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  Speaker 1: a name that is similar or something. Yeah, like he
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  Speaker 1: just was lazy about changing it to something could be.
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  Speaker 1: Then we see Stacy and Linda lunch. They're talking about sex.
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  Speaker 1: Linda is more sexually experienced than Stay. She's also a senior.
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  Speaker 1: Stacy is an incoming ashman. Linda is a senior. I
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  Speaker 1: believe Mike is a senior, whereas Mark Ratner is also
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  Speaker 1: a freshman. Right, And I do like the like when
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  Speaker 1: to a two year age difference feels like gigantic and
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  Speaker 1: seeing that as always, I love the Phoebe Kate's character
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  Speaker 1: because it's so she's so absurd. It's like she's, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she seems more experienced, sure, but she's like that is
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  Speaker 1: such a real person who's just like lying about like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: totally totally. I know how to do. I definitely have
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  Speaker 1: a fiance, but he just lives somewhere else. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: I know everything and I'm going to teach you. I
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  Speaker 1: was shocked that there was confirmation in story that her
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  Speaker 1: I thought the twist was going to be that her
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend wasn't real because like she's I feel like it's
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  Speaker 1: set up like he might not know. She's like, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's not around, he's older, and then he sends her
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  Speaker 1: a letter at the end. I'm like, how old is
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  Speaker 1: he well that I feel like it's so clear that
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  Speaker 1: it's like this man that she thinks is like this
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  Speaker 1: thing to and he's like he's just so dumb in
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  Speaker 1: her own way about it's sadder than I see. I
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  Speaker 1: think she wrote that letter as part of her bruise.
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  Speaker 1: Sam's a scamp. I Like there's like those little moments
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  Speaker 1: to where she like they're talking about like, oh, do
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  Speaker 1: you come every time you have sex? And she's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think you're seventeen, yes, okay. So then meanwhile Rat
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  Speaker 1: is developing a crush on Stacy. They have biology class together,
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  Speaker 1: and but Stacy goes on a date with that twenty
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  Speaker 1: six year old guy. They have sex a k a.
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  Speaker 1: A statutory rape happens, and then which is like very
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  Speaker 1: much written like kind of eighties style dodge where he's
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  Speaker 1: like you're actually nineteen, right, and she's like, ah, Hi.
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  Speaker 1: Questions about that part two, which is if he's six,
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  Speaker 1: why doesn't he have a home? They can to where
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  Speaker 1: is that point? I was so overwhelmed by the rape
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  Speaker 1: that I didn't I was like, oh, yeah, he doesn't live,
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  Speaker 1: Like what is that? Maybe he's like married or something?
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  Speaker 1: Where God, yeah, that entire I mean, that's like one
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  Speaker 1: of the worst, like because you go to like a
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  Speaker 1: baseball dugout and it's a wild like that's been the
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  Speaker 1: pretty much the beginning of the movie. Yeah. So it's
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  Speaker 1: very very jarring. Yeah yeah, and the movie doesn't seem
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  Speaker 1: to think that much of it. It's like one of
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  Speaker 1: those very weird, like culturally dissonant like, oh, this was
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  Speaker 1: not a big deal, like it happens. Yeah. Um. He
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  Speaker 1: sends her flowers after this, but then he never calls
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  Speaker 1: her again. She never hears from him after that. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: we get this reveal that Stacy and Brad are brother
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  Speaker 1: and sister. Oh my goodness. Brad, he's having a tough time.
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  Speaker 1: He gets fired from his job, and then his girlfriend,
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  Speaker 1: who he was intending to break up with, breaks up
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  Speaker 1: with him first, citing the exact same reason that he
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  Speaker 1: was going to use. Then Rat asks Stacy out and
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  Speaker 1: they go out to dinner. She takes them back to
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  Speaker 1: her house. They start kissing and she tries to take
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  Speaker 1: things a little further, but he is visibly not comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with going any further, so he makes an excuse and leaves.
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  Speaker 1: He's not like the other boys. He's not nice. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about a little bit um. And
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  Speaker 1: then we see Spole is getting in trouble at school.
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  Speaker 1: He's dreaming about being a surf champion. He's driving Forest
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  Speaker 1: Whitaker's car around like the big football stars, and his
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  Speaker 1: car is a big deal. Car is a big deal,
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  Speaker 1: but Speccoli crashes it, and in order to like make
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  Speaker 1: it so he doesn't get in trouble, he makes it
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  Speaker 1: seem like the rival school that they're about to have
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  Speaker 1: a big football game with like messed up Forest Whittaker's
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  Speaker 1: car right before the big game. Meanwhile, Stacy isn't sure
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  Speaker 1: if Rat likes her, but then he and his friend
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  Speaker 1: Mike come over for a swim. H Linda is also there.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Reinhold jerks off to her in the bathroom. We'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about that home. And I feel like the scene
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  Speaker 1: that people remember from this movie probably i've seen I've
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  Speaker 1: seen that scene before and I didn't even know what
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  Speaker 1: this movie was about. Yeah. Meanwhile, Stacy starts to develop
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  Speaker 1: a crush on Mike. He comes over to her place,
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  Speaker 1: they start kissing, they have sex, and then he comes
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  Speaker 1: really fast and then very abruptly leaves. Then later at school,
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  Speaker 1: he blows Stacy off, and then sometime later after that,
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  Speaker 1: she tells him that she's pregnant. Gregnant, She has already
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  Speaker 1: arranged to have an abortion, but she wants him to
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  Speaker 1: pay for half of it and give her a ride
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  Speaker 1: to the clinic, which he agrees to, but then when
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  Speaker 1: the day actually rolls around, he is nowhere to be found,
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  Speaker 1: so instead she gets a ride from her brother Brad.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, dropped me off at the bowling alley, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going bowling, But then he sees her like run across
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  Speaker 1: the street to the clinic, so he picks her up
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  Speaker 1: from the clinic and he agrees to keep her secret.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, you don't bowl like that? That was his
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  Speaker 1: rationale behind calling her bluff right, And then Linda finds
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  Speaker 1: out what ship head Mike was to Stacy, so she
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  Speaker 1: sticks up for her friend takes revenge on him by
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  Speaker 1: spray painting Prick on his car and his locker, and
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  Speaker 1: then Rat confronts Mike about being shitty and like getting
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  Speaker 1: with Stacy behind his back. Then the kids go to
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  Speaker 1: prom you gotta at We're going to prom do, But
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  Speaker 1: I like this one. This one wasn't made that big
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  Speaker 1: of a deal of it. Wasn't like everyone's like, we're
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  Speaker 1: all gearing up for prom. Yeah, it's just you know,
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  Speaker 1: slice a life moment in their lives, some teens stance
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, nothing wrong with that's a place for everyone
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  Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, and then Mike and Stacy reconnect at
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  Speaker 1: the mall. There's a scene at the end when Brad
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  Speaker 1: is working at a convenience store where he stops a robbery.
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  Speaker 1: So it's Rat and Stacy reconnect at the mall. Oh
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  Speaker 1: what did I say? Oh yeah, sorry, So Rat and
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  Speaker 1: Stacy reconnect. And then the scene with the robbery, Spicccoli
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  Speaker 1: like distracts the robber and then Brad saves the day,
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  Speaker 1: which is a very I had to double check to
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  Speaker 1: be like, did the movie just end? But that's where
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: it ends. That's where it ends. We get all these
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  Speaker 1: like the title cards of like and then here's what
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  Speaker 1: they got up to after this big eighties movie thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of appreciate it. I want to know what
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: happens all. I want to know the day they die.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's the story. Let's take a quick break
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: and then we'll come right back for the discussion. And
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: we're back, thank god. Putting on couldn't couldn't win another second.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: So where to start? Well, something something great is that
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: this was Amy Heckling's directorial debut. As you were saying,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: for those that are not heck ruling heads. She goes
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: on to direct most notably clueless, but also, uh, luke,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: who's talking? If you're as talking head, which I am,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: have you seen that? Yeah? I love those movies. The
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: babest Kids. It's a kid. The baby's talk honestly, barely
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: remember I think that. Yeah, there's a both movies open.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's even a third one who remembers. But there's
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of oh yeah, there's like's talking to and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: luk who's talking now? Now he was talking to a
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: spelled t o O or okayfirming? Yeah, I think like
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Bruce Willis voice is one of the babies. There's always
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: like an opening sequence of a bunch of sperms swimming
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: to fertilize an egg. Perfect and then should begin Yeah,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: they should all begin that, because every sect starts ultimately. Yeah,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I used to love those movies when I was a kid,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: But I could not tell you a simple thing about
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: new detail about you. You've seen every Look who's talking? Um?
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: So clueless and look he's talking and a National lampoon movie, right,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: So she's like a legendary director. This was her her
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: first feature that she directed, so that's great. We very
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: rarely had to cover movies that are directed by women
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: at all, especially comedies, especially comedies. Yes, I was surprised.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I guess not surprised because we live in a world
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: where everything's horrible butty society, I suppose would have maybe
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: expected a movie directed by a woman to not fall
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: into some of the trappings that we see happen in
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: movies that are directed by men, most notably the male
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: gaze dream sequence that Judge Reinhold has where he is
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: masturbating to a topless Phoebe Kates. That was, Yeah, that that.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I want to spring to Amy Hackerling's defense a little
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: bit here by just um, you know, she's twenty seven
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: when she directed this movie. It was her first gig. Ever,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think she was really in a position to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: be pushing back a lot, and she like goes on
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I think to kind of course correct on stuff like
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: that train movies like Clueless, But yeah, no, I totally
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: see what you mean. Um, that scene is so weird. Okay,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: so I it's the iconic masturbation scene. I didn't realize
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: that that scene was a fantasy that doesn't happen in
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the because it was like when I when we meet
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Linda's character, I'm like, she doesn't seem like she would
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: just do that because she doesn't. But it's the only
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: scene that anyone like can recall top of head from
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: this movie. And it's so like I feel like it's
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: one of those situations where I'm not going to like
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: phrase this correctly, but like where the writing and the
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: like cinematography, it's like a little bit dissonant where it's
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: because it's like Linda's character isn't like that, But then
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the visual was go way out of their way to
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: give you this big nipple moment that was just what
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: movies were like. You just did get to see everyone's boobs,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: like I feel like, I don't know, and ultimately all
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: the men are made fools up. That is like that's
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the thing. It's not like, oh my god, this like
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: out of nowhere fantasy where he gets to fuck her.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: It's like he's jacking off the bathroom. She walks in
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: on him, like oh my god, and he's embarrassed. So
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I kind of don't think it's like I don't know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I think in context, like in the context of the movie,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it. It's just like
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it is when one of those things where it's like
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: a NATS the scene that like stands the test of time.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I think just because that was for a lot of
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: young boys who watched it, they did jack off to that,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: and therefore it was what they remember. But yeah, it
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: is weird that, like I had never seen the movie,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: but I knew that scene. There's so many like better scenes. Yeah,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: like actually, and then the fact that that fantasy, which
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: is like very clearly framed as like a dream fantasy sequence,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: is juxtaposed against what's actually happening where she's like getting
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: out of the pool in a very neutral, non sexy
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: way and she's like in my ears and yeah, so
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I I appreciated that. So she's not
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: like her character by the judge Reine horn character is
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: like made like a sexy meal of by just like
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: his horny teen brain. And also they are the sage,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: which is because she's a senior too, you know, it's
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: not like his like little sisters like best freshman friend.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: It's like they're both seventeen. Yeah, yeah, it's I don't
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: even know how to, like, I guess, articulate exactly why
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: it's like to me because it's like in the story
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: it makes sense, but something about it is just I
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, just the choice to include it,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: it all in the way that it is included, the
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: way that it's it's a very eight decision. Yes. And
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: also just like the way female nudity is treated in
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: this movie is so of its time of like you
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: see a lot of female nudity, and I mean you
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: see you know, Sean Penn shirtless, but it's not that
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: like I feel like that's just sort of starting to
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: happen like now ish in like shows like Euphoria, where
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: it's like in shows about teen sexuality, you never see
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: male nudity really at all, and it's this like taboo
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: thing still um where like in this movie you see
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: like both female lead characters almost fully nude. When you
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: see fully nude and Jennifer Jason Lee and then you
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: see Phoebe kids almost nude, and with the men, it's
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: like that's just not an expectation that people had this.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I was actually thinking of euphoria while I was watching this,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: and how well just in the sense where I was like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: there is like a fair amount of like boobs, but
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: like euphoria is like if we're talking worse but DICKI.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: But also when they show boobs it's like in a
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: doggy style, like you know whatever, it's more gazy. Where
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: is this? I feel like, I don't know. This is
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: almost just like a result of the time that's just like,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: so we'll have the part of the movie where we
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: show the main characters boobs, like I kind of feel
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: like the Jennifer Jason Lee like when her boobs are out,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: it's like fairly sexual. I don't know, it's well, she's
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: pretty sex she is, but there's I don't know the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: way where I just I was thinking about this show
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: that was made literally this year that is also supposed
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to be teens having sex. It was like so sexual,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I guess what I like about you for it because
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I don't like, I mean, there's whatever it shows fine,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: but like the at least it's like equal opportunity nudity
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: where it's just like this is like like it also
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I feel like kind of speaks to like who they're
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: making the movie for. You know, it's just like catering
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: to male gaze stuff, and like the female guys are
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the straight and gas or whatever is like not really
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: like you get Sean Penn's abs a couple of times,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: but other than that, it's like the women are when
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: we're sexualized because character are we supposed to think he's
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: like a hot guy? That question? Think you see him,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: he's like the surfer dude and he has like the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: hot babes at the beach and I'm like, well that's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: another Yeah, that's that's about him. Yeah, I don't I
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: don't think so, Okay, that's a relief. Take a question.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I kind of do you think any of the guys
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: in it are actually supposed to be like someone that
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: we're supposed to think of as hunky? I don't know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: because Brad is always just kind of like keeps being
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: put in this position where he just keeps like kind
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: of being a loser. Yeah, and then at the beginning
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I think he's supposed to and then they starting downhill,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and then like Mike Damon is such a cartoonishly's ball,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and then Mark Ratner just such a like sweet like nerd. Yeah,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the thing I do like about
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: this movie is and and talking about how it feels
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: realistic to being a teenager. Is things like the fact
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that losing your cool job just completely ruins your status,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: like little tiny things just like ruin you. When in
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the beginning he's going to break up with his girlfriend,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: he's like, I'm a successful guy, and he's like he
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: cooks the burgers in a fast food joint. He's like,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I have a job. Going back to the sex scene,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: especially okay, so the first one that we see between
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Stacy and that twenty six year old guy, So, okay,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: it is a statutory rape. She is underage. The movie
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: excuses it by like him thinking that she is a
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: He doesn't think yeah, but she he like barely tries
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: to find out. And he excuses it because at the
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: end of the day, it's like he's clearly painted as
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: like a bad, bad guy. I don't know who does
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: suspect that she is too young because he keeps asking it.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know that I would say it excuses it,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. The movie doesn't treat it like
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that's what that is. And then also another huge issue
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I have with this is that we're seeing we're seeing
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: her nudity while the actor, while Jennifer Jason Lee was
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: twenty at the time of filming, or at least at
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the time of the release, her character is supposed to
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: be fifteen. And I just, I mean, call me a puritan,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: but I have a huge problem with showing nudity of
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: characters who are who are supposed to be underage. That's
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the I mean, that's the same thing with you for
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: you though, which I mean, I haven't seen that show,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: but every sexy teen show that's ever been Yeah, isn't
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: that as long as it's like adult actors, Like that's
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: just kind of like the name of the high school.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, And it's like I do think that like teenagers,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: it like can just like benefit from I don't know,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: like seeing teen sex shows when I was a teenager,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Like some of it sucked me up and others times
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: it was helpful and good. I don't I just don't
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: think it needs to ever be Like characters who are
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: supposed to be teenagers, we don't need to see them naked.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I kind of fair, I guess, I never I don't
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: know it's fair. But then that's like if we're talking
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: about that with that movie, it's also the whole larger
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: cultural movement where sexy teen shows and stuff really one
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: of the hugest genres right, definitely made me very uncomfortable.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Like that scene. I don't know, I I do think
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: the movie kind of gives them a pass in general.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I think that like I don't know, cutting out like
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: teen sex stuff in general just kind of like limits
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the kind of stories that you can tell. I mean,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: it could be implied that they have sex, or it
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: can be shot in such a way where it's clear
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: that they're having sex, but to show nudity, to show
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: like what's supposed to be fifteen year old breasts is like, no,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: think that's doesn't I don't think we need that. Like
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: most sexy team shows are on the c W and
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: they don't show actually right, But I'm just bringing in
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: the euphoria thing again. It's like it is the same
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: thing as this thing that is happening in two thousand nineteen,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: but even more so. And I'm most most things over
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the years have not showed nudity, and that has been fun.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: That's why we have nine O two and O and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the other like those sex and not not a tip
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to be seen and that's totally fine. I feel like,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: like talking about whether or not the movie like dismisses it,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like, um, and I don't know if it's
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: just a result of me watching this when I'm older,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: but I feel like there was this undercurrent of like
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the issue of not getting information about sex and sex said,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: and like having parents around like tell you anything, and
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: she she purely relies on her friend who's full of
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: ship to tell her what she should be doing, is
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: kind of the one who encourages it too, and it's
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: like she's wrong. It almost feels like she had that
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: experience when like another older friend telling her this is
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: what she should do. And I feel like it was
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: that was an interesting and kind of real thing to
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: me of like, oh, you just like don't know what's
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: going on and you just trust someone who's cool to
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you or whatever. That's kind of I think the whole
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: realism of it is. I think that in this movie,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: it's like Stacy is fifteen. She's basically pressured by this
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: friend who keeps going like I have a thirteen, that's
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the problem. You've gotta have sex she's basically pressured by
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: this friend into having these bad experiences, which like older
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: men taking advantage of younger girls figuring stuff out is
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: a tale as old as human kind, and that happens,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't like ruin her. And I think that's
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: what's kind of like revolutionary about this movie at the time,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Like she has this experience, the statutory rape experience, she
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: like has sex with this guy who's like a ship
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: and like has like an abortion, and then like at
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's like, and I know
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: that it's kind of aggressive to not like you know
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: that it does not acknowledge any psychological effects of those things,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: but also that it's don't it doesn't judge her or anything.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Like at the end, she's she's like, I don't care
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: about sex. I want to have romance, and she gets
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: with this guy. Now she has like a nice, like
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: fifteen year old boyfriend and is like moving on an
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: ant appropriate boyfriend named rat there. Yeah, No, I mean
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I think that there's like a lot of things with
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Stacy's character that is done in like a way that
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: it feels grounded and right. It just like the statutory
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: right showing it is I feel like I was not
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: did not need to see it, and just the I
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: don't know, like for a movie that's made for teens,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like you have to like at least make
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: some effort to be a little explicit about like that
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: was not okay because I feel like they kind of
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: skirt it but it's not. And it's like also very
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: possible that like Stacy didn't fully hadn't fully like processed
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: it and there, but it's just kind of like left there.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: And then you know what I thinking when I was
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: watching this, because I knew it was like based on
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: a book, it really had the feeling to me of
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: when you watch a movie that's based on a book
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that you've read and you're like, they skipped the part.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: How do you understand? Like the first time I ever
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: saw like a Harry Potter movie after reading the Harry
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Potter books where I was like, this is too fast,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: where it almost felt like whenever they would like skip
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: over like someone processing or having an emotional reaction, I
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: was like, maybe it's in the book. Probably not, but
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: maybe I don't know. Feminist icon Cameron Crow, we have
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: to assume he addressed it. But yeah, that that whole
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, story point in general is just like I
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: don't even I don't even know if it was like
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: mishandled as much as it was just not at all.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: It was just kind of like left there in a
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: kind of weird way. Yeah, but I think that's because
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: the only people she has to talk to are like
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: other teens who don't know that it's like a bad thing.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: We never even see the parents, yeah, which that was
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: kind of cool, Like I was like, no parent movies.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Nines is when parents started being characters and stuff talking
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: about those like teen shows again, the parents started being
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: hot and also becoming characters with their own drama, like
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: nineties early two thousand's. I feel like that started becoming
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: a horny parents always have an affairs with other parents. Um. Yeah.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: And then I mean, I I, okay, can we talk
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: about that. The friendship between Linda and Stacy, we like
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: sort of started to already, but I think its like, again,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: it's like one of those very realistic friendships that will
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: happen in high school where you're it's like a two
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: year age gap feels like a million years. And like,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about this girl in high school I
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: knew named Carrissa that I would have died for her,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and I like she was sucking genius when she was
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: the queen of sex, and I would have done and
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I would have done anything she told me to. I've
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: made my dad like drive me to a Bright Eyes
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: concert and then drive around the block for three hours
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: while I went to the Bright Eyed concerts so Carrissa
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: would see me there and think I was cool. I
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: would have done anything. And so I'm like, oh, this
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: is very much like you know, a girl two years
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: older than you that who you would just do like
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: anything for, and that I mean, I think that my
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: main and I like that, even though Linda like and
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think if I was a teenager watching this movie,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think I would have realized that she's full
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: of ship. I think I probably would have just thought
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: she was cool. This was also the first time I
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: put together that she was older. Oh, I don't think
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: when I was younger and watching it, I realized that. Okay,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I even realize that until you
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: said it today, because talks about when she gets that letter,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and it's like he says he's not coming to my graduation, right,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and then in the end, thing it's like she's at
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Ridgemont College now living with her Like I don't know,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: but I mean I like that they're like friendship is
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I mean it's based a lot of it's based on misinformation,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: but like good things about it are they're like supportive
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: of each other in their weird sex endeavors. I like
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: when Linda like super jumps to her defense. Yeah, when
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: she's going through the abortion thing is it's not anything
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: where anyone passes judgment on her, including her brother. I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: thought was really cool. That's like I feel like that's
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: a huge moment. Mostly, Yeah, it's worth just a whole
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: other conversation that we can get to. But it's been
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: in general like they have, uh friendship that's based on
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: misinformation and like maybe like some failures of parenting and
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: their job together. And I think my main thing was,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: like I like their friendship. I just like wish that
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: they like we knew stuff about them that wasn't just
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: like a relationships. Yeah, I also do like and well,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I have mixed feelings about this because part of it's
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: pretty problematic, but um, Linda has a pretty just kind
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: of casual, cavalier attitude about sex where she's just like, hey,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: it's no big deal, like whatever, And like I like
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: to see that attitude on the screen. Not to say
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: that everyone needs to have that, but we usually see
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: like girls being like sex is sacred and beautiful and
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I can only have it with my husband, and like
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: male characters get to be promiscuous right out consequence exactly.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: So to see you a girl. And we talked about this,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I think a little bit on a bonus episode on
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: American Pie, but the Natasha Leon character has a pretty
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: similar just like casual like sex is whatever, it's no
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: big deal. Again, just something I appreciate seeing now when Linda,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: part of her attitude is that, yeah, fifteen year old
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: friend of mine, go have sex with this twenty six
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: year old man. My theory is Linda's a virgin. I
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: think Linda's virgin, and she's absolutely I mean they're all
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: lying like when like even she's the only one telling
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: the truth. No she's not. Because after that Mike thing,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: when Linda's like day last and she's like fifteen to
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes and then she's like, yeah, my boyfriend last,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: like and she's like I thought he's a thirty Oh yeah,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Linda's a virgin. But then also like Brad right in
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the beginning when he's talking to the other person at
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: work and he's like yeah, and she's great in the sack,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and then like he turns to her to talk and
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: she's like, I don't want to have sex with you. Yea. Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Everyone is like, yeah, I think that Linda probably is
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: a virgin. I got very strong Mina Suvari in American
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Beauty Vibes, so yeah, and you know, I thought that
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: movie but like like that characters are like, yeah, I'm
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: so sexually experienced, and then we find out that she
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: is in fact a virgin. Um, So yeah, it was weird.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: At the beginning of that movie, it's not about like
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: if it's right for her to have sex with the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: older guy. It's about how do we get him to
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: agree to this? Like all you gotta do is tell
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: him your nineteen that's the believable age because it's not eighteen.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Totally believe you, which it's like I never did that,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: but I like, I never actually got to the point
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: of having sex with someone because that would have been
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: like scary. But I certainly like if a man was
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Florida with me at Starbucks and was like, where do
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: you go to college? I'm fourteen, I'm like I'm nineteen.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I go to SMC. Which it's not like I'm actually
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: going to entrap them, like I'm not gonna have stuck
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: with them, but it's like you're safe. That's the thing.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, even if it's not about trying to
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: have sex, you do just want to appear older. There
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: is just a thing if it's like Okay, I'm gonna
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: go with this, gonna I'm gonna run with this. I
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: would go on like message boards and pretend to be
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: older and just talk to someone for fifteen minutes and
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: then get scared and delete the account. Is a relatable experience.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Let's take another quick break and we'll come right back. Okay,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: here we're back. Here we are like, oh my GOSHU
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: should we talk about the abortion that? Yes, we shall.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Emily was saying this earlier. I was like very impressed
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: with how this movie handled it, especially for like the eighties,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: where like they're like John Hughes wouldn't have handled it
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: this well, like they're Johnny has doesn't who like handles
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: nothing well kind of Um. I thought it was like
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: sometimes in this movie I find it frustrating that they
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: just present stuff and sort of have no comment on it.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: But for this like story point, I thought it was
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: like really cool where like, you know, she has Stacy
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: has sex with Mike, she gets pregnant. She barely has sex,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: which that's god. That scene is so upseting. So she
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: like Mike's insigner for two seconds, but he's very fertile,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: which is another beautiful humiliating moment for a man or
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: a horrible boy in that movie or them get humiliated.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Such a cool guy, so funny, like oh he's a
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: ticket scalper's a huge loser. Uh. But she like, I
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: liked how that scene played out where it starts by
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: making a fool of Mike because he's like flirting with
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: a girl who doesn't seem to be interested in him,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: and Stacy goes out to him, is like I need
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: to talk to you, and he's like, no, big is
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: big that she's pregnant. He immediately gets angry and blames
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: her and says it was her idea, and she shuts
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: it down right away. She was like no. He also says,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: how do you know it's mine, implying like, oh, you're
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: probably like sleeping around with a bunch of different guys
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: might not be mine. She's like, it's definitely yours. Also,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: don't say it was my idea, And he does take
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: it back, and he's just parenting something someone told him
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to say. At the older ones just seemed
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: like they got some bad advice from someone else older.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: And then they're giving this young and then and then
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: she like, he is like, oh, well there. It seems
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: like he's sort of like telling her what an abortion
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: is and she's like, no, I know what one is,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: and she already has it planned out. Yeah, Like and
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: then she's like and I want you to pay for half.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, that was all pretty good, right, and
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: then and then she has the abortion. We see her
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: right afterwards. She seems and then like, Emily, you kind
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: of brought this up, but she seems like physically and
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: emotionally fine, because I think a lot of media would
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: have you believe that, like, I mean, an abortion, depending
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: on who's getting it, can be a very difficult physically
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and emotionally taxing thing. But it seems like for Stacy
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: she bounced right back from it. It didn't like emotionally
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: ruin her. She's not like just sail regret and regret
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: and remorse exactly. She's And then when her brother realizes
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: what is happening and he picks her up from the clinic,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: he doesn't judge her, he doesn't slut shame her, and
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: then he's like, oh, you're hungry, let's go get some food.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Like he just he treats her with respects very sweet
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: because it's like he drops her off then like in
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: his rear view mirrors sees her run across the street
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: from the bowling alley, so he's just waiting outside the
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: whole time, which is and then she just comes down
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: and because like no one's there to pick her up,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: and then she's just like, Brad, don't tell my mom
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: and dad and he's like no. The thing that's weird
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: about that is like, um, it's sort of implied that Mike,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: he tries to get the money, couldn't and he couldn't
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: and that's why he didn't come, Like he would have
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: given her a ride if he but he couldn't get
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the money or something, right, which is like I don't
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: know why they went, And like maybe that's another like
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: very specific true thing that Cameron Crowe heard about because
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just like I didn't know, because I was like,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: why include that? But maybe that's just I don't know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Like he Mike ohs, Stacy an apology and most of all, yeah,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: save the apology I will take the seventy five dollars first.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: But what I also like about the storyline is that
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: when Rat finds out that Mike and Stacy had sex,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: he gets mad at Mike rather than Stacy. He's like yeah,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: and then Rat still likes Stacy and wants to reconnect
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: with her. He doesn't act like she's like, you know,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: tainted or anything like that. After having I guess thing,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: it's like, nothing is like, oh, she's ruined, right, because
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys especially would have that mentality and
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of or even a moment of like that
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: slut and then maybe he comes back around. He never
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: has that moment right now, He's like, how could you
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: do this to me? You are my friend? I like, yeah,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I like Rat Rat's book and it's a good boy.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: He's a good boy and likes a classic movie. End
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: up with this guy at the end of the movie
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: good Boy. But unlike most of the eighties guys, he
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't super suck like because most eighties nerd characters there's
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: been like a bit and things written about how like
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: in like the like Proto in Cell entitled to women,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: he doesn't feel entitled. He's just shy around her because
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: he likes her. And then at the end when she
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: gives him that picture of her, there I liked And
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I also liked seeing that like a moment where I
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: feel like you don't see in teen movies a lot,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: where like a moment during sex where the boy gets
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable and nervous, you don't really and like that's important
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: to see too, because that definitely happens in real life
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: and you just don't really They're like men are supposed
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: to be sexually aggressive and like they never want to
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: not have sex. And I feel like that's scene where
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: she's trying to have sex with him, it's so obvious
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: that that's just what she thinks she's supposed to be doing.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: And she had sex once, so she thinks that they
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: see who she is now it's this like vixen, like
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: just sexual, and it's so right. It's like clearly that's
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: not who she is. He gets uncomfortable, but they're clearly
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: both like they both want to date, but they've been
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: told that dating or something different. By the way, there's
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: another thing. Mike is a fascinating character to me because
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: he's almost like a good friend. Like he he brings
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: him his wallet at the dinner. He like tries to
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: help him out. But even when he does that, it's
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: like a failure, like he couldn't do it subtly at all. Right,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: he like totally gives him bad advice. Yeah, I have
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: a list of the okay, so he gives He says,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: here's five dating tips that begins to rat and I've
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: broken down each one. The first is never let on
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: how much you like a girl, which means like be
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: emotionally withholding not okay. The second one is you always
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: call the shots, which is like be domineering, I guess,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: And then the example he gives is kiss me. You
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: won't regret it, so it's like coercions. Um. The third
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: one is actually wherever you are, that's the place to be,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: so it's like, okay, emotionally manif beulate the woman. The
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: fourth one is find out what she wants an order
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: for the both of you. It's a classy move, which
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: is what cal hot so it's like, you know, take
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: away her agency and autonomy. And then the fifth one
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: just kind of stupid when it comes down to making
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: out put on side one of led Zeppelin five and
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well, it's like it's very it's the
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: same thing that's happening on the other side. What's funny
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: is that immediately we see that everybody hates Mike, like
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: even in the end when like Rat is confronting and
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: he's like, whenever anybody talks shit about you, I try
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: to stand up for you. And like when he's like
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: always he's always like with different popular guy's being like yeah,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: this guy's my buddy, like whatever, and then the guy's
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: just like funck off. And it's clear that none of
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: these tips work because everybody hates I forget what is
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Mike's like thing that happens to him at that like
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: oh if he works at like write an oh he
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: got busted for scalping and now okay, cool, cool, He's
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: on the straight and arrow now. I mean in New York,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: kuld have presented with these like two parallel like like
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Stacy and Rat are both like the younger like being mentored,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: and then you have the senior mentors. But yeah, like
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Mike is like bullshitting just as much as as Linda is.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: But on top of that has like this like projected
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: fake machiese mo. That makes him infinitely worse. Yeah yeah, yeah.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: By the way, this is a total sign note. Did
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: you guys look up by any chance with the actor
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: who played Rat? Did? Later? No? But I didn't. He well,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: he wrote a couple of for dummies books. Oh so
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: not not sorry, not the actor, not the actor who
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: plays Rat, but the the real life person that Rat
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: character was based on. Yeah, it's like a tech gene
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: is and wrote a bunch of like computers for dummies.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I know I remember something about that. I
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: forget his name, not the actor, who knows what he did?
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: You want a Tony? Good for him? He was also
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: how to win a Tony for dumb five. He's twenty
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: five in the movie. That's what he looked like when
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: he's twenty five years old. Twelve years. I remember when
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I got older and I realized that, like all the
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: people in teen Things are six years Okay, why don't
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I look like that. I'm still kind of jarred sometimes
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: when it's like I have like a fourteen year old
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: cousin and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what a four
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: looks like. On Riverdale, they're supposed to be sophomores. In
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Third they're like twenty eight years old. It's like, obviously,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: this is what we have to do. We can't actually
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: have teens. Rat He was based on Andy Rathbone, who
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know who that is, but apparently he's rich
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: and famous and is a computer. So um, it's just
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: like such a wonderful end for like a high school nerd. Yeah,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: I um, I have just a quick list of so
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: you know, this movie comes out. It's like a you know,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighties teen sex comedy basically, so you know,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: if you are comparing it to things, it's contemporaries things
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: like it is. It has funny parts, but it's more
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: of a dram kind of not really a comedy, right,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: fun characters, right, and some good lines, but it's like
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I would say, more like good dramatics life of life.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: It's totally pretty light. But also I mean, yeah, there's
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: some heavy stuff in it, like an abortion things like that,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: but it's it's contemporaries or things like you know. Again Porkies, Revenger,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: the Nerds, which are super super problematically see either than wretched,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: So it's it's less problematic than those, but there are
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: still some like nine eighties problematic things that happen. I
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: just have a quick list of them. Uh. Like, there's
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: an opening shot of like the kids in high school,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: and one of the kids puts like a little sign
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: on the back of another student that says like I
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: am a homo. Uh, you know that doesn't get commented
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: on or anything like that. There's another moment where Speccoli
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: is having his dream sequence about being a surf champ
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: and he uses a homophobic slur. There's there's also some
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: just kind of like other male gaze shots where uh,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: there's an upcoming football game at the rival school and
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: we like some of the girls are wearing shirts that
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: say like kill Lincoln on it uh to promote school spirit.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: But like these are like very like headless women of Hollywood,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: like male gaye shots of their chest and their butts um,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: and then forgot about kill Lincoln Eascinatecoln. That's like a
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: good I don't think that's high school rivalry energy. Also,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I do think it's always funny in eighties movies where
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like that was before the cheerleader is a
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: popular thing got popular, and so every time in eighties
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: movies when there's like cheerleaders, they're fucking nerds because the
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: school spirit, like was not cool to have. It was
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: cool to not care. So the cheerleaders weren't like the
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: popular girl trove which they have there, and those girls
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: are just like the spirit squad. It takes a lot
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: of vulnerability to get up here and do something that
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: you know you're going to be made fun of. So funny.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Here's another thing that was like what is what is
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: this like an eighties thing or what? But Mr Hann
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: passes out like his syllabus to the class and then
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: everyone lifts up their paper and sniffs it. I don't
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: know what that one? What was that? I don't I
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: don't know what his name was, Mr ham so I
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: can't speak too smells like him. I like, yeah, I
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: have no one talking about the school spirit thing though,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about Charles Jefferson, that is the
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Forest Whitaker character. Um he and his brother are the
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: only two characters who are people of color who have
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: really any significant screen time at all, and even then
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: it's quite low. He's barely barely in it. And really
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: all we know about Charles is that uh AN alumni
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: gave him a nice car for playing football, and he's
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: very protective of this car. We know that he wants
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: to take his brother to the Earth's Wind and Fire concert,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: but aside from that, we don't know anything about his
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: personal life. He's not given any sort of characterization. Really,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: everything that we know about him comes from someone else's perspective,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: and then in most scenes you see him in, he's
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: framed as being this like very agro intimidating person. So
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: it just to characterize like the only characters of color
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: in this way was a very just like regressive eighties approach.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: And again it seems like this is like someone that
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Cameron crow like observed and and then just proceeded to
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: not write anything for the character, which is like it's
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: kind of like not really much of an excuse to
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: not do that when he is not writing it from
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: life anymore. He's like basically on experiences and then adding fiction.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, then like let us know more
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: than one thing about the character and don't like ground
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: it in these like broad stereotypes. Yeah, for Cameron, I mean,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: but I mean we all know and then he makes
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: a loha, so he's not really good. Yeah, but it was.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: It was a delight to see a young Forest Whittaker.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Forest Whitaker is one of those actors. I'm like he
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: was born at Like it's so wild to see him.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I do think one of the best scenes in the
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: movie is um when Sean Penn and the brother are driving.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I do think that's one of them. That's one of
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: the most like comedy scenes definitely, because I mean it's good,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: like the way he gets narrowly avoiding like getting in
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: a crash, and that it's just like there, I mean,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Sean Penn is making some choices. Sure, he's so blonde.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: I just kept doing blonde. And I don't know if
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: we've we've recovered a movie that Sean Penn is in before,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: we might not have. Well, for for I would feel
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: weird not mentioning that he has a horrible track record
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: with everything. He's hit a lot of ladies. Yes, he
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: is not a good persons bad and like during this
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: time specifically too, is like I think around the time
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: that he's dating Madonna and there's just old. He was
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: in his early twenties, which is weird because when he
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: was dating Madonna, he was dating her in the eighties,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: so this might have been slightly before. But it was
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: like there is a lot of stuff. But there were
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: times where certain people wouldn't report him physically abusing them
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: because he was already almost in jail for hitting other people.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: And just like there was this whole culture we have
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: to protect Sean Penn when it's like, no, we don't.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: He's also strange watching him play a character. It's like
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: very chill. Yeah, it's because he decidedly not chill. Also,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I read that he he's famously going method for this
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: role and he refuses to go out of character at
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: any point on set. He makes people call him Spaccoli
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: only not worth it. But as far as method characters go,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is the one I would prefer to
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: be around, and maybe he should have just stayed there.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Like people just go method for like sociopath and it's like, no,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: you can't do this, then you're just being a sociopath.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: This one. It's like, yeah, it's like chilled out before
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: I said it again, women rarely go method because they
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: would be fired, right, I know, I'm like most I
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: feel like when I think Sean Penn, I think like
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: fucking Mystic River, like into like where is my daughter?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Like that's this is not a classic, Like yeah, of
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: course Sean Penn. That that's very weird. Yeah, anyways, he's
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: a bad man. Yes, indeed, does anyone have any other
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: thoughts aside from him being a bad man? I do
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: kind of like how it wraps up with him and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Mr Hand at the end. What a goofy scene, Yeah,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: because they've been like adversaries the whole time and it's
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: so weird. But it's like comes to his house to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: house prom night, yeah, and doesn't let him leave for
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: prom because he wants to tutor him, but that he
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: tutors him and then was just like okay, yeah the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: War Heaven, Okay, I'm going to the dance. So it's
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: so weird, but I feel like everyone gets kind of
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: a nice little wrap up. Yeah. I like that. I mean,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: like we we know Linda goes to college. There's kind
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: of like a slight joke at her expense made about
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: like she and and she started like hooking up with
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: her professor um, which again that like sort of like
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: contradicted what I had in my head of like she
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: was not telling the truth about having sex, and I'm like, oh,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: maybe she did. Don't think she's as I think she
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: has had sex. It has consistently been with like you know,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: this thing where it's like guys who just don't really
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: care about her. Yeah, like this guy probably settling offhand
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: and she's like, he's my fiance and Chicago, and he's not.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: He has no intention, you know, and so that I
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: feel like the professor would follow in that sure. Yeah,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Like I don't think anything she was doing this like
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: a full fabrication. It was just like based in something
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: much smaller, you know, all out of proportion. It was
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: just like all any character in this movie does, which
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: was all experienced. Yeah, I do like that. Um, the
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: judge runhold care your Brad is like gearing up to
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: break up with his girlfriend and he's like, it's because
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: I want my freedom and did, and then she breaks
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: up with him first and uses the exact same reason
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: for she's like, I'm a you know, and I like that.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: It's like as soon as he gets fired, he doesn't
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: want to break up with her anymore because now he's
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: like something, and he's like, I'm so glad I have you,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: And she's like, actually, I don't know what ended up
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: happening with her. I know, yeah, I don't find out
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: what happened to Lisa. But and she like literally yeah,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: she just like tells him she doesn't want to have
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: sex with him when he's declaring himself king of the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: world for having a purger flipping job, like it's all
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: very satisfying. What habit to Lisa? Camera? Just Lisa. I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: think that's all I really had. Yeah, this movie, I
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: don't know. I was like pleasantly surprised by it. It's
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: better than most eighties teen comedies we've covered on the show,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: which is saying something true. I mean back to the
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Future I still stay on for and yet we did
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: give it zero nipples the bonus episode we did of it. Yeah,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I think it's just a very like of the time,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: but also in some respects pretty progressive for the time,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: especially like the way it handles abortion, I mean the
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: fact that it even features an abortion at all, I
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: mean in a non deferential way, like even still we
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: can come on one hand, the number of like mainstream
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: movies that even mention abortion let alone like have it,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: and she's in a way better than obvious child. I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: do think it's true because she ends up dating the
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: guy that she got an abortion from. Anyways, Well, yeah,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: so I think that, Yeah, the fact that we even
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: get that at all is is very progressive for its time.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: But then there's just the whole like there being a
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: statutory rape and it not being framed that way by
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: the movie, and like the teen nudity that I don't
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: think is necessary at all. Uh. Yes, so it's kind
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: of it's a little bit all over the place, but um,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised that it's you know, not as
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: bad as some of its contemporaries in terms of like
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: toxic eighties mentality. Yeah, so it doesn't pass the Bechdel tests.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: We don't think there's like think, I think maybe some
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: two line exchanges. It almost like there's one where they're
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: in the cafeteria and they're like, there's four girls who
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: are just exactly like pat Banatar this year, but which
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: almost is. But then it turns into her being like
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: do you think that guys think they're hard? Right away?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: But that is almost looks just like Pata turned like yeah,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: there's four I have tried to pay attention to, like, um,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: if the guy has had any because I was like,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like I noticed this too. They don't have
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: very many conversations that aren't about girls. Yeah, but they do.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: There are a couple, like I feel like because I
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, the reason why this movie I think
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't pass the Bechdel test is because it about sex.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: It's like, so it's just that's what it ends up being.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I wonder if if the boys
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: talk about anything else, and they like kind of do
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I think it in the brother of Forts Whittaker's character,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: like talk about the car history, you know, boy stuff. Yeah. Well,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: even like the like the title cards at the end
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: that like like here's what everyone's up to. The girls
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: information that we're given is mostly about their relationships with
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: boys versus the boys. That we get information about the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: boys or the men. It's like all about their job,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: which is that same thing from The Royal Ten and Bombs. Yeah,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: I thought that they only introduced the Marco is the
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: only one going to college. That's true, they do, and
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: he's the only one who made it to college. She
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: gets a sentence. Um, but yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: It does not pass the bile test. We're pretty sure, right,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: I might might pass a little bit, but yeah, I don't.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean just because yeah, it's
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: like almost and then those exchanges kind of turning. Yeah,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: the context of almost every conversation is about like boys,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: one of my there's even you know, like one line
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: like Stacy being like I cannot do another summer. Oh yeah,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Stacy says she said something like, um, oh I can't
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: keep working here or else I'm going to get so
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: fat that no one will want to take me out.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: And it's like I was even thinking near the end,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: it's just like I can spend another summer at Perry's. Yeah,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: but I think there's maybe a few small, like two
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: line exchanges by our very low bar would pass. But
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: the context of almost every scene, conversation, storyline is like
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: hetero romance and sex checking in with what's going on. Yeah,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: so there you have it. Uh, let's write the movie
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: on our nipple scale zero to five aipples based on
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: its representation of women. This one, O. God, it's a
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: really such a mixed bag for me because like, on
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: one hand, like I really like how the abortion thing
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: is handled. But I would give this like a two,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: I think because it's still you know, harboring a lot
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: of like nineteen eighties stuff. I mean that's the thing.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: It's like when you talk about a movie that's about
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: like romance and sex, Yes, a lot of it's going
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: to be about like what the female characters. What we
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: know about them is what boys they like, how much
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: they like them. It's you know, it's very geared towards
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: like their interest in boys, just by the nature of
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: that kind of storytelling. But I don't know, they still
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: could have been characterized a bit more. We could still
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: like know what their favorite subjects in school, maybe, what
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: they want to do when they graduate, what are their fantasies.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Get to see boys fantasies? Yes, and then just the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: encouragement of like, yes, uh, you're fifteen year olds old,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: but you should have sex with this twenty six year
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: old guy. Hate it? Um, So yeah, I'll stick with
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: a two. I'll give one nipple to Stacy and one
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: to Stacy's mom. She's got it going on. We do see,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: she taught reference. She tucked her into bed right before
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: her You do see you hear your parents, and you
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: see their hands, you see your faces, your face. Wow,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: She's like, good night mom, and then she sneaks out
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: the window. High. Um. I guess I'm gonna go. I'm
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: gonna probably be too hard of it, like for listener context.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Because I just gave Little Women a three and a half,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like I cannot give this ste too. Yeah,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give it a I think I'm gonna
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: give a one and a half. It does a lot
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: of things that I wasn't expecting it to do at all,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: do really well, Like I can't think of a I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: think a more like straightforward, effective, non judgmental abortion plotline
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: in another teen movie off the top of my head
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: at all, Like I thought that was like great, um,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: and then yeah, just kind of kind of echoing what
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: you said of stuff that and just like basic writing
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: stuff of just like there were very easy non and
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: like stuff that wouldn't even change the story ways of
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: just like flashing out the female characters a little bit
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: more that either Cameron Crowe was not able to do
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: or like what whatever I mean, It doesn't seem like
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: he has a very coherent understanding of women based on
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: his work um so in this in this instance, he
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: simply did not try. Um. The same thing was like
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: people of color, just like no attempt to characterize them
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: at all, which is include them hardly at all, which
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: is like the Sophia couple of school of writing non
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: white characters, which is just I don't know. So I
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: want you're just like that's can't that can't be it.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: like Amy Heckerling, this being like her directorial debut is
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: like awesome, and I like all the performance like all
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: the all the performances are great. I like that you
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: sort of see humiliating side to male sexuality in like teens.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: I like I like the way that rats like masculinity
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: is written and shown. Uh. And I just it's nice
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: to see like teenagers that sort of sound like teenagers
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: and are making the mistakes the teenagers would make in
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of kids. The more I think about, the
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: more that like American Pie rips off so much from
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: this movie that Jason Diggs character is basically rat but horrible.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that movie I think is far worse. It's
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: far more toxic. Yeah. Anyway, um, yeah, I'll do when
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I have I like genuinely enjoyed most of this movie. Yeah,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna give give my nippies to Phoebe
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Kate's because she is one of my favorite musicians. Mom Oh,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Frankie cosmos Um is the child of Kevin Klein and
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: Phoebe Kids. I didn't know that she and Kevin Klein
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: they've been married for her, Like you learn some story, great,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: how about y'all? Um? Okay, I mean, I guess I'm
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: gonna go a little high. I want to give it three.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: I'm taking context into account a little bit, thinking like
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: between this movie because it's eighty one and like Book
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Smart forty years that is forty years different, and that
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: this one it has like the protagonist in this teen
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: sex comedy is a girl who was like figuring out
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: sex and stuff, and it I feel like it treats
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: her as like valid and like as opposed to just
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: I feel like it kind of does like subvert a
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: lot of those eighties tropes where is the protagonist would
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: in another movie would have been rat or would have
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: been Brad or like something like that. And I kind
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: of think, like at the time, like if you were
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: a teenager in eighty one. This movie would have been
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: like seeing this movie compared to most of those movies
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: at the time, if you were like a teenage girl,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: I think that would have been huge. And he like
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: dignified representation. And I think like a lot of the
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of the negative stuff in it.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: It doesn't deal with it enough, but it's not untrue,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: like just because it sucks and it is it like
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: is an unpleasant fact of like life, doesn't mean it
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't actually happen. It happens all the time. So I
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: kind of like that it like presents that and in
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: a way that isn't like earth shattering, you know. And
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: then I'll give one to um Rat because he's a
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: nice boy. Um. I'll give one to the Cardigan in
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: this movie. Um, they're really good Cardians. And UM one
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: to Phoebe Kate's hair, um, because it's doing great work. Really,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: how many aerosol cans went into um? Okay? You know,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: it's interesting when we talked about like, okay, representation of
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: women versus teen girls, you know what I mean. And
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: so it's like, obviously teen girls are complex human beings,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: but they're it's different, you know what I mean, so
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: it's like a lot of the moments where I feel
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: like we're maybe missing some greater like emotional arc or something.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: I think it's maybe not a great excuse just being like, oh, well,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: they're just teen, so they didn't really think about it. Um.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: I think we've seen a lot of things about teens
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: where we get much deeper than that. Um. But I
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: think too seems fair. I also enjoyed watching this movie.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: I think it has a lot of very fun characters,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: and that's always my favorite thing in like eighties like
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: teen like any kind of like high school movie is
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: really good characters. Like I mean, obviously we have our
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: issues with Spaccoli, but he's a very fun character. The
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: issue not but totally as an entity is fine, but
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: unfortunately is casting. Okay, I will give a nipple too.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like nobody has given one to Brad. What
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: a little nice guy, sweet to his younger sister. I
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: feel like a lot of the time you see siblings
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: in high school together and the older one is like,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: don't talk to me, and I'm a hard worker. It's
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: like he said at the beginning, a successful guy. I
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: also like that, Well, I guess he was going to
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: break up with his girlfriend and give her her freedom
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: to explore. But then I guess he actually wasn't going to,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: so never mind on that um and then I would
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: give the other one to Linda because I just like
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: that character. I like Linda a lot, just such another
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: fantastic like that is such a true like high school girl,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: the girl who feels like she has to act more
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: mature than she is and then spray paints. Yeah, I
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: really like how immediate. At least she's just like, he's
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