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AEW Hot Topics | Shattered Dreams · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And nine Ignition Ship five four three two one zero
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  Speaker 1: All engine running.
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  Speaker 2: It's Wednesday. You know what that means. It's time for
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  Speaker 2: Ignition With the aw Fan Hubb podcast team. This is
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  Speaker 2: Kelson and guys. We had an interesting week in aw
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  Speaker 2: really and beginning with Kyle Fletcher winning the TNT Championship
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  Speaker 2: against Dustin Rhodes, who announced these having two knee replacements
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  Speaker 2: going under the knife on August twenty first, and he
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  Speaker 2: was still able to put on a five star match.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what Meltzer gave this match was five stars.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, what did you think of this match?
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  Speaker 2: Did you think it will deserve five stars?
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  Speaker 3: Definitely? Definitely I would.
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  Speaker 2: Agree with that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, at one point they pore thumbtacks down I
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  Speaker 4: think it was Kyle Fletcher's pants or tight whatever, and
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  Speaker 4: did shatter dreams.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I think sky Blue had to go in there
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  Speaker 5: and fish them out, probably, but uh.
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Fletcher actually posted a picture of a thumbtack, a
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  Speaker 2: bent thumbtack on his like on his index finger and
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  Speaker 2: uh and with the caption guess where this one came from?
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy? Anyway, Yeah, I maybe I don't mean any
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  Speaker 2: disrespect by this. I maybe would not have given this
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  Speaker 2: one a five star match, but it would have been
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  Speaker 2: easily a four and a half.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah it was good. Yeah, I think five star match
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  Speaker 5: should be more of a higher rating.
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  Speaker 3: Than what Melter does some time. But it was a
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  Speaker 3: good match.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it really was. Barry, what do you think
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  Speaker 2: of a match?
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  Speaker 6: I enjoyed it a lot. Dave's ratings like people get
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  Speaker 6: too hung up on the five star. His whole thing
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  Speaker 6: is really the barrier of a great match is the
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  Speaker 6: four star, and like, once you're above four star, it's
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  Speaker 6: all just subjectivity, Like he'll always go if you think
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  Speaker 6: it's above a four star, then we agree, And I
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  Speaker 6: think he's right. I enjoyed the match a lot. It's
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  Speaker 6: not always my cup of tea, so I kind of
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  Speaker 6: don't think they're five stars just because it's not my jam.
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  Speaker 6: It is for somebody else. I'm not gonna disagree with it,
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  Speaker 6: but I enjoyed it. I thought I told a great story.
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  Speaker 6: Dustin is one of the performers on the roster that
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  Speaker 6: always has the believable underdog match. Like you put in
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  Speaker 6: a lot of performers and you know the underdogs is like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: they're going to a couple spots, but there's some way
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  Speaker 6: that Dustin just brings in a level of emotion into
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  Speaker 6: his matches. It's hard to articulate like what that feels like,
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  Speaker 6: but I think everybody understands, like you root for him
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  Speaker 6: in a way you don't for the other underdogs, which
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  Speaker 6: is what makes some of these matches even more special.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Well, let's look at Kyle Fletcher. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: now he is the TNT champion. Do you see I
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  Speaker 2: kind of when I look at Kyle Fletcher as the
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  Speaker 2: TNT champion, I look at him as Okay, we've got
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  Speaker 2: somebody that can give us championship matches with this belt.
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  Speaker 2: Do you guys feel the same way?
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he's a He's one of the better performers
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  Speaker 5: out there right now.
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  Speaker 3: Young talented can go on the MIC.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's a aw world champion.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I do too.
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  Speaker 4: I would I think he should be world champion. I
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  Speaker 4: would say probably by the end of next year, if
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  Speaker 4: not early twenty twenty seven. That's my prediction. But I've
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  Speaker 4: been a long time Kyle Fletcher fan. I think he
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  Speaker 4: really came into his element during the I'm or not
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  Speaker 4: m Jeff during the Will Osprey feud, although I did
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  Speaker 4: like what he did during the Osprey m Jaff feud,
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  Speaker 4: so I guess to a certain extent m Jaff helped
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  Speaker 4: him there. But you know what I'm trying to say, hopefully, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you guys this, with Kyle Fletcher's
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  Speaker 2: the T and T champion, I mean he's he he's
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  Speaker 2: more of an upper big card guy to me right now,
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  Speaker 2: you know, meaning that I don't mean that in any
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  Speaker 2: way disrespectfully. You know, some of you may think he's
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  Speaker 2: an upper card back guy, and I will not argue that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying for me, he's an upper mid card guy.
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  Speaker 2: But do you think that there's a possibility with him
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  Speaker 2: being the T and T champion that we may see
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  Speaker 2: some of these upper card guys challenging him for the
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  Speaker 2: T and T championship? Meaning, do you think we may
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  Speaker 2: see somebody like swear Strickland, Will Osprey, Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Kazuko Kata even if he loses the belt, you know eventually,
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  Speaker 2: you know, do you see that happening with Kyle Fletcher?
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  Speaker 4: Well, right now we're getting swear Strickland versus Kaa. So
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  Speaker 4: those two are kind of out of the mix, and.
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  Speaker 2: Also talking about right now, I'm talking about it in
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  Speaker 2: in the upcoming months, like like toward like by the
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  Speaker 2: end of the year, like look at full gear or
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  Speaker 2: something like that. You know.
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  Speaker 4: The problem. The problem there is Okada is a heel.
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  Speaker 4: Osprey is a heel. So I can't see them doing that.
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  Speaker 4: He no, I'm I said, Okada.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, don't take him literally as the face heel. Just
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  Speaker 6: I think Kelson, you're getting out of a class of
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  Speaker 6: performers that we may have not considered going for that
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  Speaker 6: belt in the past, and I don't think so. And
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  Speaker 6: the reason why is because of how they've established the
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  Speaker 6: what is it the heavyweight title, the second one that
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  Speaker 6: has is that what it's called? Yeah, So they've long
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  Speaker 6: looked at that as like the one B title, and
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  Speaker 6: I think.
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  Speaker 4: That international championship a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I think they championship. Go ahead, Barry.
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  Speaker 6: I think with that being the one A and the
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  Speaker 6: one BET title, that's where you circle that tier of
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  Speaker 6: folks that you're kind of getting at. And and sort
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  Speaker 6: of the ambiguity about where the continental title slotted in
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  Speaker 6: because you had the international title too, made that whole
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  Speaker 6: section of performers kind of cloudy. The TNT title for
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  Speaker 6: a very long period of time was the showcase of
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  Speaker 6: the mid cart. That that is the launching pad for
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  Speaker 6: guys to go to that next step. There was a
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  Speaker 6: period when when Copeland had it and like Cody at
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  Speaker 6: it back in the day, and there's been a couple
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  Speaker 6: of major guys that have toyed around with it. But
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  Speaker 6: that belt, that belt is the launch pad for Kyle
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  Speaker 6: Fletcher's to get to that upper card. I remember when
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  Speaker 6: I first saw Kyle and started to take note to
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  Speaker 6: him when he was the Ring of Honor TV champ.
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  Speaker 6: I think after this, after Mark Davis was injured and
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  Speaker 6: we saw him performing, I'm like, this kid's got it.
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  Speaker 6: He's got that it factor. He's just got a couple
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  Speaker 6: of things he's got to pull together. And I'm glad
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  Speaker 6: they got gold around him now, aw Gold. Kyle Fletcher
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  Speaker 6: is one of those young guys that you can build
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  Speaker 6: this promotion around with. Swerve hangman, mjf Fletcher. You got
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  Speaker 6: Brody in there. You got a bunch of young guys
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  Speaker 6: that are super athletic and they've got years on their
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  Speaker 6: career and like he's ready. Kelson, I think clammed you're
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  Speaker 6: you're not off off that in a year and a
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  Speaker 6: half to two years he will be in that main
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  Speaker 6: event scene, maybe for that top title.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys will agree with me
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  Speaker 2: or not on this, but when I look at Kyle Fletcher,
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  Speaker 2: as young as he is, I think he is one
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  Speaker 2: of the best in a w in in ring storytelling.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, where's his weaknesses? Even on the mic? Like where
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  Speaker 6: where is he? Where is he weak? As a performer?
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  Speaker 6: He's good looking, he's got a great move set, knows
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  Speaker 6: how to work high flying and a hard hitting style
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  Speaker 6: and adjustice to who he's in there with. He's good
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  Speaker 6: on the mic, Like where is the weak spot? Like,
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  Speaker 6: if you're building a prototypical star performer in his early twenties,
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  Speaker 6: what do you add to Kyle Fletcher he doesn't have.
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  Speaker 2: Do you look at Kyle Fletcher as the same kind
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  Speaker 2: of star quality as maybe an MJF as far as
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  Speaker 2: like the young guy?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but can he reminds me? Yeah, he reminds
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  Speaker 6: me of lot of the Run when when and I
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  Speaker 6: know people compare him to this because of the shape
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  Speaker 6: dead but like look at Orton's early career, that's the
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  Speaker 6: kind of vibes I get from Fletcher right now.
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  Speaker 5: Right now, I'd say he's better than MJF. I've I
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  Speaker 5: posted a while back. I'm kind of growing tired of
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  Speaker 5: MJF and the same prompts he always uses and stuff
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  Speaker 5: he needs to edge himself back up.
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  Speaker 3: Whereas Fletcher is good.
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  Speaker 5: He doesn't have to use a low hanging fruit and
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  Speaker 5: stuff time after time, and he's going to be somebody.
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  Speaker 3: I think he'll surpass MJF.
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  Speaker 4: In my opinion, I cannot wait to be in the
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  Speaker 4: building for MJF versus Mark Brisco in ways essentially a
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  Speaker 4: number one contenders match.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, speaking of MJF. On Friday, MGF
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  Speaker 2: beata Verno in CMLL at Grena, Mexico to become the
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  Speaker 2: CMLL Light Heavyweight Champion, which is basically their heavyweight champion.
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  Speaker 2: They don't I don't think they have a heavyweight division.
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  Speaker 2: I may be wrong there, but that's the big belt.
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  Speaker 2: So now we have MGF is the CMLL champion, I'll
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  Speaker 2: just call him that, the CML champion. We've got him
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  Speaker 2: having some difficulties with the Hurt Syndicate, particularly Bobby Lashley,
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  Speaker 2: and then you have, of course, you have his ongoing
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  Speaker 2: feud with Mystico. He is going to be defending the
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember who he's defending it against, but he
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  Speaker 2: is defending the CMLL Championship. And I think next week
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  Speaker 2: welcome Jess. So you know, Rawlins had already broke get
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  Speaker 2: hit a little bit on this. But how do we
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  Speaker 2: feel about MGF here? I mean, he's got the CNLO Championship,
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  Speaker 2: he's got a built in feud with Misticico, he's got
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  Speaker 2: a feud going on, maybe with the Hurt Syndicate. What
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  Speaker 2: do you guys feel feel about this?
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  Speaker 4: I think the whole Hurt Syndicate thing is a complete
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  Speaker 4: and total ruse and he's gonna use it to bait
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  Speaker 4: Hangman into a match, probably all out, and.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna go from there.
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  Speaker 4: I don't believe that MJF is actually out of the
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  Speaker 4: Hurt Syndicate.
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  Speaker 2: I don't, okay.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know why he was putting in the first place.
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of an odd, oddball situation. He didn't match
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  Speaker 5: the style just because he's friends with MVP. He didn't
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  Speaker 5: really match. I think they're going to cough him the
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  Speaker 5: title and that'll be his downfall. And MJF had crawls
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  Speaker 5: the way back up.
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  Speaker 4: We can show either way.
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  Speaker 2: What was that just in my car said, to show
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  Speaker 2: your way? Yeah, we can't understand you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can go anyway. I get that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you understood her. I couldn't understand what she was saying.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't really understand. But it is interesting to
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  Speaker 4: me that there they seem to be going in the
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  Speaker 4: direction of an m JF Hangman feud right away. I
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  Speaker 4: thought they would save that for later in Hangman's title reign,
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  Speaker 4: since the the presumptive thought anyway, is that it's going
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  Speaker 4: to be MJF who takes the belt off of Hangman.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: The fact that they're this, like they're kind of leaning
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  Speaker 4: into this story, I guess right away is very surprising
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  Speaker 4: to me. Granted I'm enjoying it, so I'm not I
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  Speaker 4: don't have an issue with it, but it's not the
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  Speaker 4: direction I was expecting them to go, If that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very well. I want to ask you a question,
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  Speaker 2: and of course you can come up with you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you have an opinion on what we've already talked about, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: feel free to you know, chime in with that too,
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  Speaker 2: but specifically, the question is, yeah, it does seem would
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  Speaker 2: you agree it's a multipart question. Would you agree that
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  Speaker 2: MGF is being groomed I guess for a future feud
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  Speaker 2: with Hangman, Adam Paige and I kind of right now,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's too soon for something like that. I
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  Speaker 2: think I think Page needs to have a feud with
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  Speaker 2: a less prominent I don't know how to put it,
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  Speaker 2: just to establish himself as world champion more. But do
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  Speaker 2: you see MJF actually taking the belt off of Hangman
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  Speaker 2: out of Page. Let's say, if this match happens later
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  Speaker 2: in the year, like at Full Gear or World's End.
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  Speaker 6: You know, it's too hard for me to get a
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  Speaker 6: feel on what direction they're going, if it's going to
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  Speaker 6: be MGF or somebody else. Looking at my preference for booking,
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  Speaker 6: I don't think MGF is the right guy to take it.
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  Speaker 6: But there's a completely valid way you could create a
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  Speaker 6: story where that does make sense. Just to me right now,
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  Speaker 6: I don't see it. What I what I look at
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  Speaker 6: for this storyline is if we look at before Hanger
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  Speaker 6: bought the belt, they were lining up challengers for that title.
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  Speaker 6: Everybody wanted that title. So we've talked about it. Kenny
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  Speaker 6: talked about it, MJF talked about it. Hangman, everybody was
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  Speaker 6: gunning for that belt. So having MJFF another top star
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  Speaker 6: lined up right out of the gate. After Hangman got
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  Speaker 6: two wins over Mox that was his first defense was
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  Speaker 6: the former champ, so he's already got a significant win
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  Speaker 6: under his belt. Having another former champion there you want
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  Speaker 6: to run a program with in three or four months,
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  Speaker 6: give him another win. I Thinkkelson, it was you that
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  Speaker 6: said you want to establish a better run. These guys
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  Speaker 6: don't need to trade the title in their first match.
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  Speaker 6: MJF is clearly angling for a valid number ones contender
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  Speaker 6: spot that Hanger told him he's going to have to
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  Speaker 6: earn or he's going to have to cash in. So
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  Speaker 6: I see this playing out, and I think Clam's you're
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  Speaker 6: the one that mentioned it. I don't know if he's
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  Speaker 6: out of the hurt syndicator. This is some agreement they've got.
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  Speaker 6: We'll see where that story goes. I also want to
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  Speaker 6: be upset up they killed it because fans weren't too
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  Speaker 6: into it. Responding to fan interactions cool as well, but
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  Speaker 6: I could see this going where Max gets his first
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  Speaker 6: title shot. Kelson loses, so there's another top former champion.
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  Speaker 6: Hangman has a big win over which really establishes a
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  Speaker 6: title reign, and then he can cash in a few
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  Speaker 6: months later after we've already forgotten about it, or opportunistically
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  Speaker 6: at a pay per viewer or whoever it makes sense
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  Speaker 6: going forward. He still doesn't need to win it then,
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  Speaker 6: but the max character winning a title bout in a
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  Speaker 6: schemy way down the line, if that's how they're going
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  Speaker 6: to give it to him and take it off, Hangman
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  Speaker 6: feels a lot more in character than him winning a
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  Speaker 6: legitimate number one you know, earning a number one contender
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  Speaker 6: spot at a pay per viewer or whatever and having
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  Speaker 6: a straight up match. He needs to win in some
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  Speaker 6: scheming way, and if he stays in the hurt syndicit
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  Speaker 6: or it's a ruse to Clam's point, that's the scheming
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  Speaker 6: way he does it down the line. So we'll see
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  Speaker 6: how it belds out. There's a lot of ways they
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  Speaker 6: can go. Like Jess said, I'm open minded right now.
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  Speaker 6: I don't really see any troubled waters. But you can
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  Speaker 6: make some mistakes pretty quick and ruin a lot of
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  Speaker 6: your options too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I mean, look, I
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  Speaker 2: don't whatever happens, I don't think anything that's going to
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  Speaker 2: happen between We'll put it this way, anything significant is
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  Speaker 2: going to happen between MJF and Hangman Adam Page until
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  Speaker 2: the CMOLL World Championship thing is taken care of, meaning
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  Speaker 2: agree the eventual match with the to go.
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  Speaker 6: I mean it funds like the stuff to keep him
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  Speaker 6: busy right now until they it's time to do the
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  Speaker 6: actual storylines. Like, he's got a lot going on. To
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  Speaker 6: your point, Kelson, he's got too much going on to
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  Speaker 6: focus on the title shot at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if they do the MJFF Mystico
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  Speaker 4: match at Forbidden Door.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's possible.
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  Speaker 3: I want to see.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the only thing about that rollins is CMLL is
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  Speaker 2: the oldest wrestling company in the world, and after Forbidden
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  Speaker 2: Door they're celebrating their ninety second anniversary with an ninety
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  Speaker 2: second anniversary show. I kind of think that MGFF and
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  Speaker 2: Mystico is custom built for main eventing that show.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that too.
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  Speaker 5: I think king Man needs to find a good uh
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  Speaker 5: New japan wrestler to go against for uh Forbidden Door.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know who.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know the roster real well, but uh, maybe
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  Speaker 5: the guy who's uh the last match, but I don't
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  Speaker 5: I don't know his.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hiroshi tana Hashi. He's actually the president of New
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  Speaker 2: Japan now and he's on his retirement tour. He has
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  Speaker 2: no knees.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: He's wrestled in Forbidden Door before, and you know, frankly,
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  Speaker 2: he's struggling. I mean, he's a great wrestler, but he
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  Speaker 2: just can't do a match. And putting tana Hashi when
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  Speaker 2: he was in his prime against Hangman Adam Paige. Hell, yes,
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  Speaker 2: having Tanahashi against Hangman Adam Page right now is just
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  Speaker 2: not realistic.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I just he needs
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  Speaker 5: to keep on building up his I will sat back
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  Speaker 5: from what I said a while ago that I was
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  Speaker 5: that I didn't want one more match between Moxley and
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  Speaker 5: Adam Page because that meant was what Moxley should have
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  Speaker 5: been doing against the whole time, and that Moxley and
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  Speaker 5: Hangman match was actually very good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I had I really honestly had no
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  Speaker 2: interest in that match because you knew that there was
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  Speaker 2: no way that Moxley was going to win that match,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: and if he did, it would have been like the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: worst thing AW has ever done in their history. So
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: we knew that they were that Hangman wasn't going to
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: lose the belt there, and it was one of those things.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: You know. One of the problems that I have with
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: a W and their booking right now is, and this
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: is being overly critical, but I really do feel this
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: way in that they booked matches not for the matt
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: but for what's gonna happen at the end of the matches.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: I have no problem with that though, Dude Kelson, like,
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: I like that all in we got the return of
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Darby Allen and we got the return of Brian Daniels said,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: although it's interesting that Danielson hasn't been featured on any
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: of the Dynamites since then.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: But yeah, he's not back. That's why. That's that's why
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: they don't follow up on those things. Those are like
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: one offs. He's not. He doesn't want anybody to think
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: that he's coming back to do stuff because he's not.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, but yell like, I enjoy that they're going
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: straight into this John Moxleygue Darby Allen feud, which by
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: the way. I hope they hold it off until all out.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: What I would do at Forbidden Doors like a six
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: man tag team match of some sort like Death Riders
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: against Darby and a couple New Japan guys.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, you have Bullet Club war Dogs sitting right there.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I mean that's really all that New Japan has, you know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: So there's not that many I mean gay kids injured.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to be back in time,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: you know. It's the big names are Bullet Club war
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Dogs to me.
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I look at some the matchups here, And
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: to kind of follow up on your point about the
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: the Mox Hangman rematch, that match was a couple things.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: One it was it was to just confirm to fans, listen,
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: we're not we know what we're doing at this point,
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: and we're just going to reiterate this by having Hangar
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: go over Mox again. But two, it was just it
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: was a way to do something cool on TV. They
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: don't do title matches often on free TV. It's pretty rare.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: They certainly don't do them that fast and with that
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: short of a build up. But it made sense. Of
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: course Max will want it back, and I think to
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: your point Kelson. It was to just remind folks, listen,
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: we got a vision where we're going and it's away
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: from death writers being in that, and they reiterated it
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: by having Darby to to the point that, I mean,
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: we see that's where the next few it's going to be,
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: and it makes sense they threw him down the stairs.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: I think Hangar needs needs a new Japan guy. There's
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: a bunch of folks you know, now that The g
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: One is kind of wrapping up, that'll show up. But
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: you don't need to promote Forbidden Doors. It's a non
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: canon pay per view. They'll have a couple of cannon matches,
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: but it's it's just fun matches with some new Japan folks.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: So you can you can put them up against the
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: Yoda Suji or u u Are you know, you can
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: plug him in against a show to Umino or should
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: go to Kagi Zach Saber Junior's voting out there. I'm
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: not sure who's going to be in the finals for
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: the g One, but there's plenty of top names. You know.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: Takeshta's over there, he's one of the he's doing real well.
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: I know he's not a new Japan full timer, but
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: he's not even around. He was the other young guy.
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: Couldn't think of earlier there the six that they're building around.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: By the way, we got plenty of guys from there
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: they can plug in the The for Ben Door shows
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: very rarely of long builds. The important matches are the
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: actual AW matches that are cannon. We're getting those, and
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: you know, it'll be what it is to your point, Kelson,
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: and we'll get past for beIN Door season and get
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: focused on the building for all Out and go from there.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: I'm excited to be at Dynamite on the road to
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Forbidding Door because usually when Cleveland gets an episode of
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: AW Dynamite, it's either been on the road to all
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Out or it's been on the road to full gear.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: So it's a little bit something different. I'm hoping that maybe,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: just maybe, even though I'm not too familiar with new
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Japan talent, I'm hoping that maybe, just maybe we get
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: some new Japan people and we can really start to
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: kick up some of this new Japan stuff.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Case we are going to get some CML al and.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Stardom people in the show, not at Dynamite, but at
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Forbidden Door because they announced that there's gonna be a
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: fatal four way for the TBS Championship Mercedes Monette against
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: an a W person which will be determined tomorrow against
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: or on tonight, however, against the CMLL person against a
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: stardom person.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Let's well, let's talk about that match. Dynamite featuring Ple Dominada,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Sky Blue, Alex Windsor, and Billy Starks. They are vying
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: tonight for the right to face Mercedes Monet at Forbidden
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Door in the in the fatal four way. The rawlins
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: sus mentioned, who do you guys have in this match?
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I have my old dots, but I want to hear
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: what you guys think.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I think it's Windsor.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: We've seen a lot of other people and and she's
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: been involved, She's been on TV more so I think
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: that's why they're leaning towards putting her.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Over Okay, anybody else with a pick on this match.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I can actually see it being Billy Starks because they're
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: leading very heavily in tech Athena going after the a
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: W Women's World Championship, So why not have Billy Starks
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: go after the TBS Championship.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Well, just I did in chat with winsor Uh, that's
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: who I'm going with, is winsor what about? What about
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: anybody else?
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: So this is the the match on Wednesday is the
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: qualifier for one of the four ways.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Right, it's for qualify for the four way, Yes, exactly, Yeah, I.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Think I think I think Windsa is she needs to
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: say that after big moves like that needs to be
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: a thing like Adam colebaby. I don't think they're maximizing
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: on that enough or capitalizing on that enough. But looking
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: at that added, I think it's either Windsor or Amanada.
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: I can see either of those With Sky being in
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: the match. You've got that built in techla interference and
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: I'm Manada to take them out and then that could
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: give it Windsor the win over Billy or There's a
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: lot of ways they can book the finish for that.
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: But yeah, if we're if we're bringing in Windsor and
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: want to establish her as a as an upper mid
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: car women, uh female on the roster, you got to
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: keep her strong and this is a match to put
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: her over in to do.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I kind of think that Billy starts us in this
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: match to eat the pin. That's that's the way.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I bet I get that. But I'm
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: just like, if they want to establish Athena and Billy
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Starts as like a dominant I don't want to say
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: fashion but dominant and dynamic duo, why not have Athena
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: go after the a W Women's World Championship and have
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Billy Starts go after the TBS Championship.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: It makes sense to.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: Me they are She's just literally going after They are
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: literally going after the major, the women the world title
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: and the TVs Championship. Billy's going after the TVs title,
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: trying to qualify for it. Athena is fighting for the
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: world title, so they're trying.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: That and that's why I'm saying I think Billy should
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: win this match.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: She's yeah, she's not there yet. She's she is a
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: minion like her Her role on the roster right now
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: as they're building her is that Tody and on the
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: long enough storyline, when they're ready to push her, she
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: will follow the same template we've seen with these pairings.
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: She will get the win over her quote unquote master
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: and then we'll see if she's successful on a singles run.
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: Like that's her role. Whoever said she's there to eat
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: the pin like, that's her position on the card. That's
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: what her job is right now, and she's going to
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: do it great. She's going to look great. She's going
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: to be a blast out there, and we're going to
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: continue to become a fan of hers because when they
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: pull the trigger and she turns on Athena when the
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: time is right, it's going to be great, and she's
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: going to be a big time babyface and we're going
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: to love her, and she's going to run for titles
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: and win some and it's going to be a blast.
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: It's just that right now, It's just not right now,
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: that's all.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Now. If you remember correctly that Mercedes Monette won the
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: CMLL titled by beating Zuxies, who was injured, and that's
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: basically why the title changed hands there.
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: Oh, I well know that.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So when I don't know if if Zeuxis
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: is back and ready to challenge in this fatal four
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: way forbidden door. Here's the thing. Neither CMLL or Stardom
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: announced that they're doing a four way qualifier. They may
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: just appoint somebody to go in there. Now. I mean,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: for CMLL, you have Zeuxis, who makes the most sense
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: because she was the former CMLL champion, so putting her
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: in a match with Mercedes Monet makes most sense. But
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: again I don't know if she's available or not. Then
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: you have red isis Persephone La Catalina. Those are really
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: the four that I can think of from CML. Now
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: with Stardom, Remember you have New Japan doing their G
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: one Climax, but you also have Stardom doing their Five
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Star GP. Now, even though the Five Star GP, the
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: finals of the Five Star GP are on August twenty third,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: which is the day before Forbidden Door, some of the
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: wrestlers who are in the Fire Star GP are already
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: booked for a event on the twenty fourth that's being
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: held by Sentai Girls. So so you saw immediately you
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: take out of out of those available, Hazuki that's a boy,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Starlight Kid and Sire are automatically out of it. Again,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know whether CMLL are doing a four way
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: qualifier like AW is doing. They may just appoint somebody
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: to be they're the number our number one contender for
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: this title. Sure he is on her way back, she's
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: she's rehabbing, she's working out that elbow. I don't know
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: if you guys saw the picture of the crap that
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: got taken out of her elbow, but it wasn't nice.
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: It was really gross. Also I'm home.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Uh so maybe they have sureI come in.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: But you know there's another one that makes sense. It's
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: a Zumi. Remember it was a Zuomie who took the
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: well did pin Mercedes, but took that New Japan Strong
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Champion Championship off of her. So with Zoupsies and azm
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: you do have two women there that makes sense. But
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: are they available? That's the problem.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: Do you think it's possible for Alex Winza to take
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: the south Side Championship off of Mercedes?
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Well, the Southside Championship is combined with the it's like
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: a unified championship with the Red Pro Women's Championship that
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Mercedes has. So if if they fight for in other words,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: if they haven't match for the Repro Championship at windsor Wins,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: it would be winsor with the Repro Women's Championship and
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the Queen of Southside Championship, it's two belts in one.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: So so yeah, that's that. Uh you know, look, I
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: mean Mercedes Monet is going to be out on the
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: h on the show tonight. She's appearing live at Dynamite,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: and there's a very good chance that somebody's gonna interrupt,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: whether it's from AW or maybe from CMLL, maybe from stardom.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: You never know. There could be a video package up
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: on the big screen, you know, saying hey, I'm coming
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: after you. I'm at Forbidden Door. So that's something of
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: interest to look at tomorrow night or Dynamite tonight. I
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: don't know. I have my days and yeah, yeah, so
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: you know, but you know, look at Forbidden Door. You know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: this is kind of an interesting thing because I may
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: be wrong, but people tell me that I'm not, and
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: that this is the first mention of CMLL and started
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: appearing at Forbidden Door. It's only been advertised as New
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Japan and a wh So this match means that there
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: is going to be CMLL AND starting at Forbidden Door.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: We know Hiroshi Tanahashi is going to have a match
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: at Forbidden Door. But the question is is that Okay,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: so we've got these two matches, is there enough Forbidden Door?
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: At Forbidden Door? And do you see I mean somebody
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I think it was Rollins brought up I think uh,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Mistico and MGF at Forbidden Door. Maybe, but again, like
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I said, you have the anniversary for CMLL coming out.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe they have a matchup Forbidden Door and have
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: a rematch it Garita Mexico.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: So, but it kind of doesn't seem like there's a
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: whole heck of a lot going on with Forbidden Door
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: being Forbidden Door right now. Are you guys noticing this?
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've mentioned definitely, and it seems I think it's
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: because we've got the g One climax going on when
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: a live the New Japan people are tied up with that,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: so it's just bad timing in terms of wing Forbidden
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Door is happening. Hopefully as the g One winds down,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: some of them can come over and we can get
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: like six man tag team matches and other crazy things.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, Rollins, I mean, it's obvious. Maybe
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: they're not putting people into Forbidden Door meaning New Japan,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: because they don't want to give away the finals of
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: the g One Climax. That makes sense. You know, they're
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: waiting maybe another week or so until somebody has been
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: mathematically eliminated.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: This is go ahead, Okay, Yeah, I could see that.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: Plus, it's a lot to travel with people back and forth,
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: and you don't want to wear anybody out as well.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: I think it's an ill time pay per view. They
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: should have waited and maybe switched all out with.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: That.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: But it's Tony's choice. But we'll see what happens.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, really bad timing this year. I know it's just
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: in general the summer is g one season, so it's
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: kind of hard to pick it. But I feel like Kelson,
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: we've had this, not literally you and I, but fans.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: We've had this conversation about Forbidden Door a couple of
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: times already that it just seems like the build for
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: it only occurs in like the last two weeks, two
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: and a half weeks outside of the AW versus is
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: AW matches. I could be wrong here, but I think
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: I remember last year the only matches we knew like
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: three weeks out were the AW versus AW matches. I
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: think there was a title match on the show and
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: everything else didn't get filled in until two or three
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: weeks before.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but what happened though? What happened though? I'm sorry, Barry,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: go ahead, No, it's okay.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: I don't like that style, but like whatever, Like I said,
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: it's a non cannon show. They're continuing the major storylines
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: that are important in aw TV, and that's all I
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: really care about, goh.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Keilson, That's exactly what I carry but care about as well.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: The previous builds toward Forbidden Door. You're right, and that
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: maybe they didn't create matches. You know, they did create
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: some matches, but not all the matches until two weeks
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: three weeks before. But what they did is they trotted
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: out all these Japanese you know, new japan wrestlers to
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: come out and do trios matches that were absolutely meaningless.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: You know, they had the tag matches, multimn matches were meaningless.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: And as I've said before, the first three Forbidden Doors
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: frustrated me horribly because I thought that I called them
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: the great momentum killers. I don't feel this way this year.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: I think that they've handled This is the best build
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: to Forbidden Door that a W has ever had, simply
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: because they're not throwing AW isn't throwing their storylines under
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the bus two, you know, to promote Forbidden Door, which
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: is again and you know, I hate sounding like I'm negative,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: but Forbidden Door essentially is a cool h You're right,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: you know it's cool. It's a cool it's it's about
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: all the belts.
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: It's meaningless.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: I I kind of haven't read idea and feel free
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: to disagree with me because I'm not even sold on.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Its agree with you. I disagree with you already. What
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: else is new? No?
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: No, Basically, like, as we've mentioned in the past couple
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: of weeks, the original purpose of Forbidden Door was to
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: set up like Amazing dream matches, but all the dream
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: match all the dream Matches are can be made with
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: people who are already in ae W. So maybe like
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: Forbidden Door as it is, with the well sort of
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: having run dry, sort of run its course. I mean
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: you can still do like New Japan and stardom crossover
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: stuff that why not do it at Wrestle Dream and
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: reform Big Door to something else.
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think a lot of us are kind of
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: circling the same general idea. Like I've used the term
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: the show's non canon, Kelson's used the term momentum killer
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: just is now saying completely, you know, change the focus
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: of the shows. I think the purpose of Forbidden Door
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: now that the aw fan base is comfortable and understands
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: AW works with New Japan and CMLL talent all year now, right,
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: it doesn't have a lot of the special because the
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: big stars from New Japan now all work for AW.
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: There's or at least the ones that we were initially
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: most excited, they've still got stars. I love Zach Saber
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Junior to death right, but a lot of the dream matches.
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: To Jess's point, they've they've are, they're all. They occur
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: regularly now because everybody works together. So how do you
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: change this pay per view? And I think they should
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: they should have focus on Forbidden Doors a couple uh
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: key matches of talent that people need to earn. So
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: for Bidden Door is like a three or fourmat showcase
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: where they're competing for a chance at the you know,
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: maybe the tag Belts Unified every year or something like that,
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: or it's something for the light heavyweight title between CML
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: New Japan. Like you come up with a couple matches
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: that you can then run your local promatting with talent
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: and who qualifies for them like this women's four weight.
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: This is a great way to segue into it. Right,
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: everybody's earning that shot for that place and that they
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: the number one contender match. So do things like that
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: so you can run your programs on your own show
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: on who's earning the shot for this dream match, and
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: then the week before you only need to get everybody
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: qualified on TV and you're good to go. You can
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: show video clips of the other promotions of their people
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: qualifying for these four big matches. You flesh out the
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: rest of the pay per view with title matches and
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: other big feuds from your regular TV, and you kind
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: of kill two birds with one stone and formalize what
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: this pay per view is every year, whether it's this
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: format or something else. But to your point, Kelson, change
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: change what the vibe of this is and qualify it
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: for the fans, because it isn't the dream match pay
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: per view anymore. We get those all the time. We've
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: seen all of the big ones pretty much, so it
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: needs something else. So rebrand the purpose of this pay
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: per view or just turn it into a big super
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: show on a Wednesday night. Yeah, I don't think it's strong.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Forbidden. Forbidden door to me is Grand Slam. It's a bit.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: It's that it would be I agree with you, it
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: would be a Dynamite Grand Slam. It would be beautiful
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: to be done that way. Grand Slam.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: If going forward it's like this where they've got three
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: big aw versus Aw matches and the rast are just
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: fun tag matches that they put together from various storylines
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: and promotions, and just have it be a party show
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: like a lot of the Grand I think it would
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: be a really fun pay per view. But your point,
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: just make it a Wednesday Grand Slam, or or or
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: a four hour show between Dynamite and Collision, you know, to.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Your point, at to Justic's point. Look, this year we
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: had Russell Dynasty on January fifth, took place at the
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Tokyo Tokyo Dome in Japan. That was basically a forbidden
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: door show. Why do we need to forbidden door shows?
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: In a year people have been calling for Grand Slam Japan.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I mean I've seen it posted on x and on
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Blue Sky and even on the aw phan Hub subreddit,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: and I think I've even seen it on our discord server.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: If you have Grand Slam Japan, why do you need
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: it forbidden door?
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, we don't. We don't need it, But
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: I think it's just something that Tony won't let go
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: of because he feels like maybe he did the word
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: and created the I don't know.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know if I would apply that
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: sort of negative connotation to it. I mean, there's a
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: paper that lives here, right, so maybe it's not Forbidden
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: Door and they call it something different later and Forbidden
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: Door just turned into a super show. The idea of
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: a cross promotional show, an official cross promotional show, has a.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Lot of them do work.
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: Why we we fans got excited about the very first
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: Forbidden Door, the idea that you're going to get a
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: super show it's Marvel versus DC, Like that's got an allure.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: I think the problem, to Kelson's point, is just the
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: delivery and the medium they're delivering it. Does it need
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: to be a pay per view show? If so, then
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: you need to explain to the fat the fans how
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: this is going to work going going forward. Why are
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: we excited about this? What is the purpose of these matches?
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: Is it just a dream match? How do you come
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: up with those? Because I don't think it's just a
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: dream match. Pay per view is good enough anymore. There
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: needs to be more purpose to this pay per view
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: if they're going to keep running it as a pay
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: per view. Yeah, I still want to run the promotion
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: versus promotion stuff. I just this just this format is
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: getting kind of dull. Go ahead, Jess.
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: Sorry, I was going to say, there's only one last
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: true forbidden door left, and I'm pretty sure that's hermetically
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: sealed and welded shut.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we've talked about that before. It ain't gonna happen.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not going to happen. Not gonna happen.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: It is what it is. You know. Let's move on
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: because I want to get to the last topic and
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: then we can go into our pot pourrie. This is
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: not really a big topic, but I think it does
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: need to be discussed. Look, with Dustin Rhodes now having
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: knee replacement surgery, needs two knee replacement surgeries. He's having
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: surgery on August twenty first. I don't know if they're
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: doing both needs at the same time. I don't even
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: know if that's possible, or if that's done often or what.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: But he's going to be out according to Feifel, he's
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: going to be out well into twenty twenty six, so
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: you know, but Dustin Rhodes holds with Semi Gavara the
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Ring of Honor tag team championships, and with the Von
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Erics he holds the six man titles. What do we
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: do here? I mean, are we going to just replace
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Dustin Rhodes with somebody else? I mean, I guess you
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: could put Sammy in with the Van Erks, and I
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: guess that makes sense. But do you vacate the tag
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: team titles at this point or what do you do?
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: I don't know what else you could do other than
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: like go with the old root of making interim champions.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you're talking well interim champions though, I mean,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Dustin Rhodes isn't going to be around at best until
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: maybe this time or even later in twenty twenty six
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: at best, and we don't even know what he's gonna
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: be able to do at that point. I hope he
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: comes back better and stronger, because I mean, he's Dustin
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: freaking Roads. But yeah, I don't think you can have
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: an interim championship for over a year.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Well, when ones when one's hurt, another one's not. It's
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: not like the other one. I don't know much about
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: the I know the Vaughan Erics, and they're very good.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: I don't know which one is the better one to
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: put with Sammy, but eventually they'll probably have to lose
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: that and come back to it because I don't I
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: don't see Sammy and you know which everyone Eric or
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: whatever is a viable one.
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: So I'm thinking a little bigger picture on why they
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: may have played these cards out the way they did
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: with Adam Cole making his announcement and then then putting
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: the belt on Dustin that night, only for him to
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: drop it for Kyle, Like I'm starting to see some
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: of these pieces fall in, and I'm wondering if they
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: knew he was going to need these knees, right, Like,
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: this isn't a surprise thing, so they put the belt
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: on him knowing full while he was gonna have surgery.
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: So that kind of tied into all of this. And
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: then also I'm thinking, is you know they've had some
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: trouble booking that trios and the Tag divisions and Ring
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: of Honor. They'd kind of book themselves into a corner
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: and become really stagnant if you're looking to relaunch those
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: two divisions. This is just this whole scenario just was
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: handed to you on a silver platter. You've got an
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: upmoment to take away from Cole's down moment. You've got
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: to wait for a veteran to put over a top
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: young star with his first title on TV in an
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: incredible match that's very highly regarded by pretty much everybody
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: who watched it. He gets to announce he's going out
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: afterwards after we saw him kill himself out there, and
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: you're able to use that as a way to explain
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: meaning to relinquish the titles and relaunch the tag and
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: the trio's division. Like I tie all that together. Maybe
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: it's coincidence, but I think this is them taking advantage
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: of a situation that just kind of fell in their
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: laps to turn a real sour note with Cole ostly
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: having to retire and getting good out of the opportunities
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: that it opened up with some creative booking too to
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: accomplish a few things. Maybe I'm wrong, could be all coincidence,
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: but I look at it together and that kind of
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: all those pieces kind of a fall into place. So
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: I think they dropped the titles and just use this
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: as an opportunity to relaunch and relaunch both of those divisions.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Look, I want to bring up something
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: that isn't on our agenda tonight, but I do want
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: to talk about the match between Broddo and the Young
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Bucks on Dynamite tonight because I can't wait to see
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: what they do to the Bucks. I think that this
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: is one of the most entertaining things that aw has
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: done in the Goofy wrestling department in a long time.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, sorry, well was there a sad chest?
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: But what is that? Inisure?
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: He did?
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: Like, what was that move?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about?
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: So he whipped him and he kicks them and flips
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: them like, oh, you're not to explain it.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: You're you're yeah, but you're I'm trying to think of
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: you're Are you talking about the Bucks or you're talking
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: about Brodido Brodido? Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Know what that was.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: That was, Like finisher was like, I have never seen
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: that before.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: That was a circus move. That was that looked like
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: circus acrobats.
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: But to your point, like the fun stuff, this is
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: the type of creative ship you can do when you've
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: got two guys that are really different, that have really
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: great creative minds and just let him do it. I mean,
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: Jess was kind of going to start touching on that.
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: I think I'm on some of the fun things, So
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: go ahead, Jess.
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: No, I was just gonna say, it's it's so funny
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: that I love it when this happens that, like with
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: a group or a heel, like either a heel or
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: group of heels in this case, are so universally low
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: that the moment the opportunity comes along, nobody wants anything
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: to do with them, not even solidary other fields. They
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: are just absolute pariahs, and it's hilarious.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is that what's happening with the Bucks
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: right now is actually endearing them the fans.
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, they are, go ahead, okay, yeah, I just
• 50:26
  Speaker 8: I love watching the talent name and giving them the
• 50:29
  Speaker 8: job or entrance and hear their last post was this
• 50:33
  Speaker 8: is what happens when you spend all your budget on
• 50:36
  Speaker 8: a boat for all in it's just little things like that.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: I've never been a super.
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: Fan of the Bucks, but I've honestly warmed up to
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: them because they're able to laugh at themselves and beat
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: the joke, and they don't.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Have to do that. I'm glad you said that, because
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: that takes a lot to go out there and have
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: everybody make a fool out of you and you accept
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: it and you play into it and give everything to it.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the Bucks are doing fantastic work
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: right now. I really do. And look at Brodido. If
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: I told you nade me a good partner for Bandido,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: say in March, I don't think anybody would have said,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, Brody King No.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: No.
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: Like two things that you guys hit on it too,
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: Like this entire run from the EVP stuff up through
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: now has been for the fan, the Internet fans, the
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: people who hate them, who say they're arrogant and do
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: all this stuff backstage. So they wrote themselves into being
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: cocky EVPs that called the shots and ruined everything, and
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: all these fans have always wanted a reason to hate
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: these guys and treat them like crap and like the
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: job they are. Well now they're actually giving their trolls
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: the opportunity to do that on TV. Like just the
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: way they've twisted this whole run of their characters to
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: just nitpick and poke at the Internet fans make fun
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: of themselves. It's just been brilliant and Brodido and like
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: the whole Brodido team up for your case, Like, where
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: does that come from? I want to know who came
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: up with that? Was that something Brody pitched? Was that
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: something Bandido pitched? Like this is a great example of
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: keeping Brody on TV when his tag team, like the Dudes,
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: continuing to get over more and more each week, Like
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: who came up with this brilliant idea?
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what I think it came from was
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Grand Slam Mexico. Remember Brody King had a match in
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: that event. Eddie was doing all these luchadors things, and
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: I think Tony kan Tony Kannan going holy shit, I
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: got an idea, you know, I really do. I think
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: it really everything that Brody is doing right now with
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Bandido stems from the work he did at Grand Slam Mexico,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: saying hey, you know what he can do that? I
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: got another question?
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: Wait, wait back to you said earlier Kelson early on,
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: So we're talking about the purpose of the TNT title.
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: Brody continues to get over more and more weekly as
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: a babyface.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Is he the.
• 53:20
  Speaker 6: Logical person to do thrown Kyle in a few months.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Because I think he has to get over a little
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: bit more. And what I mean by that is, I
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: think he has to get some wins over people like
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but maybe Brodido gets wins over the
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Hurt Syndicate. Uh you know that Brody gets some wins, Yeah,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: singles wins. Maybe Brody King gets wins over Claudio Cassanoli,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: even John Knox. Yeah, yeah, you know. I think you've
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: got to build. Going being over with the wet could
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: only go so far. I think you have to have credibility.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that Brody King doesn't have credibility. I'm
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: saying that he needs to have in ring wins. Yeah.
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: Build, that's the point of those the TNT title, Like
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: that's the practice belt. Do we see them as do
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: they carry them? Do they come across on TV as
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: a champ? Do they speak like a champion with that title?
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: Do we believe that they are a believable champion? Like
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: those mid card belts. That's how they get the reps
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: to become and learn how to be champions. The Rock
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: didn't make his name as a heavyweight CHAMPI he made
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: his name as intercontinental champion. Like that's where that all
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: gets fleshed out. You know, that's the purpose of those titles. Yeah,
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: all right, back to your initial point that popped into
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: my head when you I just connected those dots when
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: you said that, and I was like, wait, I got
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: to get this out or I'll forget and I'll never
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: come back to it. So go back to your initial
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: point on that.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Sorry. What I was gonna ask was I honestly feel that, uh,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: whatever is going on with the young Bucks right now
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: is a gateway to them becoming babyfaces again.
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: I can see it, Like it's fun watching them get
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: their come up once for now, But the longer it
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: goes on, the more they're gonna it's gonna have a
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: sad puppy out in the rain effect.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: They're gonna play into it, and and it's gonna make
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: it like, hey, you know what, the Bucks are actually
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: pretty damn cool. Yeah, you know, you know you're gonna
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: have a good time when you see the Bucks out there.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: You know the Bucks have gotten I will say this,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: I believe that FTR and the Bucks are kind of
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: in the same uh category here when their matches have
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: the have a sameness to them, you know what I mean.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, tell me a Young Bucks match on TV
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: that stood out, or an FTR match on TV that
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: stood out just for the match, not what happened before
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: or after a match, just for the match. That's my point.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: I think what's going on now is that the Bucks
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: are actually kind of poking funds at themselves and it's working,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: and it's working and it's endearing.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: I just want to see Brodido when I don't want
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: to see Young Bucks FTR finals, I really do want
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: to see Rodido go all the way with this because
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: I think they're a good combination. There's something fresh, and
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: that's what AW needs right now.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I meant about, like ca Brodido with
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: brody King, you know, to get brody King moreover, I
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: don't think you need to put Bandid. I think Bandido
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: is where he needs to be right now. Uh huh yeah,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: you know, as the Ring of Honor, world champion, et cetera.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Brody King is kind of beltless right now. And I
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: think by having Bandido and brody King going against a
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: hurt syndicate at Forbidden Door, I think that's good. That's
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: a damn good match. Plus plus, Bandido is a Mexican wrestler,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: and that's kind of forbidden doorsh. I hate to say
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: it like that, but you know it's the truth. Yeah.
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: You know the other thing too, because of Brody's size,
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: Like that's one of the problems with the Hurt syndeket.
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: It's just they're just two enormous human beings. So even
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: the better tougher tag teams like FTR, they're a little short,
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: but like you don't look at them and say they're
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: small guys, but they look like small guys next to
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: the Hurt Syndicate. You need somebody in there, like a Brodito,
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: like you need you need Brody king in there from
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: a size perspective, and they've had I believe, wasn't there
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: an eight man or something where they bumped into each other.
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: There were some meat spots. That's kind of like I
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: was super excited about the Murder Hawks going after him
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: because MURDERHWK monsters or whatever, because they're big, right, It's
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: just two yeah, lost teams. So like Broddo could be
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: interesting because Andido can wrestle a bigger style like Penta.
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: Pentas kind of can wrestle a big man style even
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: though he's smaller. And and Aido can do that too,
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: and then you've got Brody's size and believability when he's
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: squaring up against the other two hosses out there that
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: I think it could be a real fun match. They
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: don't need to go over You just need to make
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: Brody look good. But I think that would be far
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: more entertaining Helson than than than another bucks FTR final
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: or something like that. Yeah, I'll see myself up.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Look, look a point.
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: We lost Helson for a second there.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: You did as I was because I was muted being
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: an idiot, But I'm interested. It was interesting that he
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: brought up Penta, right, How big do you think Bandido
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: is compared to Penta as far as size wise.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think he.
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: I think people think he's smaller, but he's his size.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Who wise Banda or wait, Peta. Peta is listed as
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: five foot eleven Okay, yeah, Bandido is five to seven,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: okay to eleven. He's not the biggest guy in the world,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: but he as you said, and I and I totally
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: agree with what you said. There's a difference between Look.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Look on the women's division, Tekla, she's tiny, but she
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: wrestles dig Bandido's not the biggest guy, but he wrestles big. Yeah,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: you know, so that's a really good point. Well, look,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: let's move on to our pope pirie. Does anybody have
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: a pote prie for this evening?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: I'll go first.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: Here you go first?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, Oh boy, do go ahead? Well somebody go, let's go?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: Oh me? Okay.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: I guess, like I don't know if anybody else was
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: going to talk about it. I guess I get ahead.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: Better talk about it. The great, big, ugly beast in
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: the room.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Please don't talk about me again. I swear to God,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: how tired are you guys talking about me? No, it's
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: a little I'm not I'm not that big. I may
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: be an ugly beast, but I'm not that big.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: What with your discoord moderator? So we don't know how big?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Get in mind?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: What is the what's the beast in the room.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 7: I'm trying to talk about something serious. I'm talking about
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: I'm talking about the end of Summer Slam Night too,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: a certain event involving that east.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: That's a different show, for a different promotion. They have
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: that on the they have admission whatever. That's a different
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: For me for me, Look, I'll chime in uh. To me,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: it was shameful. Absolutely, I didn't like it. I thought
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: it was a slap in the face. Not only two
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: women in the world, but I can't imagine being a
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: female wrestler in WWE. And I'm sure some don't care
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: or whatever or someone going to suffer in silence. But
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: I had to eat at some some of the women there.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: I felt bad. I really did. I mean that there's
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: just no you know, look the way I look at
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: it is. Once again, throughout the week, I saw people
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: on social media saying, I'm going to give that aw
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: think a try now because I am tired of this shit,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: and so I'm glad they did it for the simple
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: reason is that, hey, more people are gonna be watching
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: aw now.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's all well and good, but I wish it
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: would not have taken something like this for it to happen.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: I'm sure there's other straws, last straws that could have
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: been happened. This is a pretty big last straw.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: It's been since all in I'm not gonna lie.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and the defense of the defense of
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: brock Lesner has been from you know rabbit, a WWE
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: fans is that he's innocent until proven guilty. Well, the
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: thing is is that he knew, he knew. There's no
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: doubt whatsoever that he knew what was going on. Did
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: he say anything? We don't know, you know, but it
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: seems like he didn't. I mean, you can't. You can't
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: say he's innocent to prove it till proven guilty when
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: common sense dictates, you know what I mean.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: And he had the checker pass dating all the way
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: back to the to the uh fly the playing right
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: from Hale, So I mean he has a checkered pass
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: and he he has that with Sable and he with
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: Destin's ex wife and stuff like that.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: So he has the past to crew that he's public guilty.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: But well, the only person that WW can bring back
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: now is Vince McMahon, and that'll probably be done at
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: the next the week of the next age of It
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: just seems like when a when WW has a pay
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: per view, they just talked about a w endlessly and
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: uh and it's it's I don't know, it's just that
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: let's move on because we can talk about this and
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: get nowhere. Who else has.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: A I just want to give Tony Kahan a pad
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: on the back for being every every person, every wrestler
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: that has talked to interviews has said that that man
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: is a genuine man and cares about his his employees,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: and that's what wrestling needs right now. They need a
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: good guy to cheer for. And I don't care what
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: to say about his booking. Yes he has some questionable booking,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: but the man cares about the industry and the wrestling
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: world has to have a savior and it's going to
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: be him for now. And if it leads to more
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: people watch him, great.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: Hey Jake Hager said he was a communist.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Well, Jake Hager is also very but.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: I know that that was the joke.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Barry, did you have one? I do?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: I don't know who was messing around on the Socials yesterday,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 6: but on Blue Sky there is an account called aw
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 6: on TV and I'm not sure if they're officially affiliated
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: with the show or not, but what they are, so
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 6: they they posted because I follow them and it's just
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 6: you know, here's coming up, but whatever. They posted the
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 6: opening to Dynamite without any audio, basically saying we can't
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: use the song Cleveland Rocks from the Drew Carey Show
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: I'm playing, but all of you can. Somebody did, but
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: the rest of us just remixed it with just amazing bangers.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: So if you haven't checked it out, go on there.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: I did five or six. There's I think probably over
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: a hundred of a bunch of songs. Some are funny,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: some are really really good. It was a lot of fun,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: a lot of a lot of a lot of real
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: positive comments, a lot of people really just enjoying the content.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: It's one of those feel good kind of viral moments
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: that happens just very briefly now and then, and it
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 6: was a fun few hours yesterday and it's worth checking
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: out if anybody hasn't seen them.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually had a couple of them posted on
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: the aw pan up subreddit today. Yeah you know, yeah,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: and they are it is fun. I actually I actually
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: did one, but I didn't post it because I was
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: trying to sink it and I couldn't sink it right.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: But I actually did, uh the aw Dynamite opening with
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: baby Metals in the name of they're instrumental and uh
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: and it's and it's actually really perfect, but I just
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: couldn't get it SYNCD right. So enjoying everybody else's. Yeah,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: we had the.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: Thank you for being a friend and I did. It's
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: like I heard I heard the baseline hit at the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: beginning and I'm like, oh, this is and roll in
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: my eyes and I was dying by the end of it. Yeah,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: I'm so excited. Yeah, there were some fun ones.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so my potpourri is this.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: I remember Forbidden Door. I don't remember if it was
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: last year or two years. I think it was last year.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: Stephanie va Kerr against Mercedes Monet and what was at
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: the time probably Mercedes Monett's best match. And what happened
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: to Stephanie Verkerr She got signed by WWE last week. Uh,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: there were reports going on and it's kind of been's
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: pretty enlightening from what some of the dirt sheets have
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: been saying. Uh. The report was that guys like et
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Cicero have dual contracts with both CMLL and ae W.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Uh and the belief is that a lot of guys
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: in CMLL now and women have dual contracts with CMLL
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: and AW. This helps AW tremendously, and it helps CMLL
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: tremendously because to these wrestlers are getting more money and
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: more notoriety. You know what I mean. So, yeah, I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: mean at AW, I mean Takeshta has dual contracts with
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: and I believe doesn't. Kevin Knight also have a dual
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: contract with New Japan, So you know, I just want
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: to point that out that this is something that will prevent,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: you know, these talents from getting signed out from under
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: CMLL and AW because now they've got dual contracts. And
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: I think this is a good thing, So look for
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: more CMLL talent like Mystico to be featured in a W.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: I think it's great. I think it's good for the business.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 6: And to your point, the talent in Mexico cannot make
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 6: as much money there as they can in the States,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: and many of them don't necessarily want to move here,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 6: and if you can close that gap and make everybody happy,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's a no brainer.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just I can't think of anything
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: bad about this, and it really does help the the
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: wrestlers in CMLL, and I'm sure that they're not breaking
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: the bank either, so it definitely helps AW.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: Because TV I'm there, I'm sorry.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, look at it exactly. I agree
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: with you. That's what I was gonna say. That's just
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Sarah being on TV, Mystico being on TV. You know,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: these guys are fantastic and they fit. That's the big thing.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: Is they fit, you know, I mean Luca fits in
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 6: naturally with is the AW product. That's one of the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: reasons why the Lucha Brothers were just so easy. You
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 6: can just put them in anywhere you can. You can
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: plug that style in because there's so much focus on
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: athleticism and the Lucas are teaching a lot of the
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 6: talent and the states that don't have this how to
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 6: play up the crowd more like. That's a big thing
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: in Lucha Libre, learning how to play the crowd, and
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: it's they don't really teach that here and you're seeing
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: some of that rub off, and I think that's a
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 6: good thing for AW as well. There's a lot of
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: learning going on in real time in front of our eyes,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: and it's pretty cool to watch.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: Treating the talent well results on a better product for
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: the people.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: He knew. Yeahk just brought up something in the in
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: the chat. Last week was the two year anniversary of
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Karushida beating Tony Storm of the Outcasts to become AW
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Women's World Champion. On Collision two years ago today was
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: the debut of Timeless Tony Storm. In AW, she wasn't
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: fully Timeless Tony Storm yet. It was still like a
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: work in progress, but you could definitely see it happening.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: AW was never the same.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, go ahead, yeah.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 7: I was just gonna say A Sunset Boulevard is one
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 7: of my favorite old movies. So when she first started
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 7: doing that, I'm like, oh, she's doing Norma Desmond. I
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 7: didn't think she would be able to get that much
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: mileage out of it. But now I can't really imagine
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 7: her doing anything.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Doing she was doing Norma Desmond in All About Eve.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: There was a matchup of movies there, but it was
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: it means look, I mean right, it's not off. It's
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: two years today. It was on Collision August fifth, twenty
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: twenty three that she broke that character.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 6: Out two years to become one of the one of,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 6: if not arguably the biggest women's star. Well maybe not
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: the biggest, but I think the best one in the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: star in the United States today, biggest.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: Star is born. How many gimmicks? How many gimmicks do
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: you know? Of that last two years and is still
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: going strong.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: Better each week. Her promos are better now, like people
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 6: people look forward to her promos now like they used
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: to Max cast her raps like oh, Tony's got the
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 6: mic because it's like, what's she going to say next?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: It's it's yeah, it's ridiculous.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: I just loved that interview that Jews did talk about
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: their relationship and how let's see love each other and
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: I about living in that household is craziness.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so yeah, that's that. I mean that
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: was a good, good thing to bring up. MK. So
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: thank you. So that's gonna do it for Ignition for tonight.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: We'll be back later on this evening right after Dynamite,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: will be doing all Lee Talk for our aw Dynamite
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: review show. I kind of think that this show is
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: going to have some stuff stuff going on. I really do,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: it really does. I think it's going to be a
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: fun show tonight, and I'm looking forward to it. I'm
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: looking forward to talking about it. And so we'll see
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: everybody tonight, uh at right after Dynamite goes off the air.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: And so for the aw Fan podcast team, this is Kelson.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Good night, everybody, good night,