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Ep. 5 | Chessie | Chesapeake Bay Sea Monster | Sasquatch & Sourdough Podcast · Sasquatch & Sourdough

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Sasquatch and Sourdough, the podcast where we embark on a journey into the depths of the unknown, weaving together threads of ancient scripture, tales of high strangeness, and the joys of nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whether you're a seeker of truth, a lover of the great outdoors, or simply hungry for a good story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sasquatch and Sourdough invites you to join us on a journey of discovery, wonder, and deliciousness.
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  SPEAKER_00: So grab your backpack, sharpen your senses, and prepare to explore the sacred mysteries of our highly strange world like never before.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Sasquatch and Sourdough.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am your host, Christina, and I am joined in the kitchen today with my beautiful best friend Crystal.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: Hello everyone!
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  SPEAKER_02: Hooray! It's summertime.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: Summer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just about.
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  SPEAKER_02: The kids are almost out of school.
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  SPEAKER_02: All the summer stuff is happening.
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  SPEAKER_02: The pool is open.
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  SPEAKER_02: Unofficial start.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the unofficial start.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know why we like have Memorial Day week.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I know why we have Memorial Day weekend, but then like after that, the kids go back to school.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why do we do that to them?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a stupid Maryland thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really dumb.
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  SPEAKER_01: They don't do that in Pennsylvania.
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  unknown: Really?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, all their kids are out.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: They have Memorial Day weekend and that's it.
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  SPEAKER_01: They don't go back.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I want to know that from you guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: Are you guys like still in school?
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  SPEAKER_02: What's happening?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because the kids are done.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we have two more weeks here in Maryland.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the kids are just like, like, we're going to the pool after we record this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like everybody has summer brain.
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  SPEAKER_02: So today, what we want to talk about is we want to do like a summer episode.
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  SPEAKER_02: We want to talk about our favorite summertime things, some summertime memories, and then we have a fun Maryland sea monster named Chessie that we want to talk about.
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  SPEAKER_02: So one of the things that I remember from childhood of like I knew it was summer when the Country Time Lemonade commercials would come on TV.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I remember this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just the little old man.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sitting in a rocky chair.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sitting on the porch waiting for somebody to bring him some lemonade.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was, I don't know, I mean, I guess it probably wasn't the 80s at that time, but like it was just like powdered.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just powdered crap.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like it's so not good for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And a plastic pitcher.
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  SPEAKER_02: So last summer we bought some.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like my husband Rob bought, well, intern Rob.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh-oh.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now we know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh-oh.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: Now you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Slipped.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-oh.
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  SPEAKER_02: The cat's out of the bag.
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  SPEAKER_02: Intern Rob is my husband.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, intern Rob bought uh a whole bunch of, I mean, I'm talking like, it was, I don't know how to talk about like heights of containers, but it looked like it was like 120 ounces.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like four gallons worth of powdered just cancer.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's girl.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or country time lemonade.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it totally and so we still have some from last year.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's just, yeah, that's what you would do.
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  SPEAKER_02: You would just like scoop it out.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna have to make a picture of that in a plastic pitcher and take it to the pool with us and serve it to all the children.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's a plastic pitcher in my table right there.
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  SPEAKER_02: There it is from the dollar store.
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  unknown: Perfect.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dollar store picture.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you even got leopards on it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you get more perfect than that?
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
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  SPEAKER_02: But so, okay, I have a conspiracy theory.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I want to see if anybody else kind of figured like put this together.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, like the the Mandela effect, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like we talked about that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like um, if you guys don't know what that is, just it's basically that uh it's kind of like memory holing, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like you we like either we misremember or people like just kind of forget.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like the big thing is like Berenstein Bears being spelled differently.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um Curious George, like whether or not he had a tail, like a tail, you know, like so stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So like look it up, but basically what was it, the cornucopia?
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh the was that fruit fruit fruit of the looms?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, fruit of the laptop.
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  SPEAKER_02: It had fruit, it had fru there was a cornucopia.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but then it's like now, so it's like did you guys change your branding and not tell us, or like are we just for like memory holing and forgetting that we knew I don't know, whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I have a new one, and that is the so when I was thinking about the Country Time Lemon Nelan A commercial, I remembered it in my brain, and I was like, oh man, I like because I just I don't know, I loved it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was like the kids like rolling the big, you know, tires off the off the deck and they're jumping into the river, and it's like all this beautiful like singing birds and you know, grandpa on the porch.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so then when I like looked it up on YouTube to find, because my favorite like part of it was when the kids like slow-motioned, like jumped off the pier on a tire swing, it was like a tire swing into the river, and that wasn't I couldn't find that in any in any country time lemonade commercial.
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  SPEAKER_01: You searched far and wide for the tire swing commercial in the depths of YouTube.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know, does anybody else am I just like a loser that just absolutely wanted to like live in the country time?
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  SPEAKER_02: Probably.
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  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, that's like when I knew it was summertime, and so now I want to we want to just jump in and talk about like our favorite summer things.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you speaking of drinks, you had Crystal had a cool, like classic sun tea recipe.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just like a goofy little thing that we've been doing since we were children, because it's kids can do it, but um, you know, it's cute.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: You get a mason, a mason jar with a lid, like a big one, and fill it up with lemons and whatever, like citrus fruit you have on hand.
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  SPEAKER_01: You could do oranges.
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  SPEAKER_01: We like to put strawberries in them.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a good idea.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you just put water in it and sit it out in the sun, and the sun like heats the water up and infuses the water with all of the fruit flavors.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really cute, and then like we'll put herbs and things in it too.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, like, I guess you could put a teabag in there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Most people probably put a teabag in there, but like I like to use my own herbs for my garden.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we'll put like mint or lavender or even basil, like basil is like strawberries and basil.
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  SPEAKER_01: Strawberries, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, oh, watermelon too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Watermelon's a good one with um basil.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's yeah, you can come up with so many different concoctions.
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  SPEAKER_01: But basically, you're brewing your own tea in the sun, using the heat from the sun to brew tea.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really cute.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like a science experiment, and the kids really get into it, and then it'll turn like all these pretty colors depending on what kind of fruit you put in.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it'll be orange or pink or yellow.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really it's a fun thing to do.
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  SPEAKER_02: See, we like so we did that when we were growing up, but it was like lipt in tea.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And lemons.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and it just infused in growing tea in the sun, yeah, using the heat.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's so it's so cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's summertime.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a fun thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, so yeah, and then um, so we were trying we were at the pool yesterday and we were trying to figure out like what are some things in Maryland that are like just essentially like Maryland like foods or you know, kind of like kitschy things.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so definitely snowballs.
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  SPEAKER_02: Snowballs.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I've never gone to like another state and been like, here's a snowball stand.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: I've only been to one and it was in New Orleans.
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  SPEAKER_01: They had snowballs, and we were shocked.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: We were like, how do you know what a snowball is?
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but was it like snowball stand?
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was no, I mean it was just like a sign on the window that said, We have snowballs, you know?
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they were like, it gets really hot here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh well, that makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I guess if you're because we ha we do, we actually have like we have listeners from like Seattle, mm-hmm, like California.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's pretty, pretty cool how like this little podcast is growing.
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  SPEAKER_02: But like if you guys don't know, so snowballs are just basically shaved ice and like just sugary flavor, sugar water, yeah, basically.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sugar syrup, sugary syrup with you know, ice, shaved ice, and but they're in like so there's a stands, like there's little stands, snowball stands, like throughout.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maryl.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I can think like where we are right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know where four snowball stands are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, and they're cute too.
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  SPEAKER_01: They'll be like little tiny houses that someone someone's grandpa just like.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a little hut.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, a little hut, and it'll be decorated with like tiki torches and hula girls, grass skirts.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just so weird.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're adorable.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it's just fun because like we grew up, like you think about it, like we grew up with that, and then it's like you go somewhere else and you're like, Where what?
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: But the thing like so we actually my family, like my my mother, she had an aunt, and she had a chicken farm in like we were we're like eastern shore people, yeah.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_02: And like she had like her favorite memories are going down to her aunt's farm.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it was in Easton, yeah, and she had this beautiful house, and just she had a chicken farm, and she would, you know, she would have the chickens and then they would truck them to Baltimore City, and then she had like a produce like shop.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what's so funny?
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: Eric's family, my husband, his grand his grandparents had the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that cool?
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: Their chicken farm was in Catonsville.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Alan would go, my husband's father, Alan, would go to his um grandparents' house and he would help them with the chickens and take them to the north, what was it, the north, um oh crap, the market downtown on North Avenue.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: North Avenue Market.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: It was one of the original ones where they still used refrigerators with blocks of ice.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like an ice house, you know, before like modern day refrigeration.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: And um, he remembers taking the chickens, cutting their heads off, chunking the feathers out, cutting the feet off.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: He did all of it.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: My Nana did the same thing.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: And she and it's so funny because she like hated chicken.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like she Well it makes sense.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: You have to handle them in your whole childhood.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: She's like handling chicken.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm never touching another chicken ever again.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_02: And one of her actually, so she had like favorite memories too.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_02: I see, this is what I love.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: This is like my favorite summertime memories because it reminds me of her.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is she would it was just like so different, like that generation.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, so my nano, like when she died, she was 92.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: She was born in like 1920.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what she would do is they would take them to the Eastern Shore, like as children, and they would go and like pick strawberries.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that was like part of her like little job.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she remembers that.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like that was her favorite like summertime memory.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was like going and picking strawberries and picking strawberries.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_02: But what she would do is she would get green beans, and she you know, she would cook green beans and bacon.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but she would take the she would just sit and like take a knife and like pair the ends off of the green beans.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: And but it I remember like I don't know, I guess it was just because it was such a intentional, like quiet, like, but purposeful activity.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, she's just quietly sitting there doing that, and everything in our house was like so loud and bustly.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: But she would just like sit down with her bowl and like pair off the hands.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_02: And so when I do that, I like I remember like it's just like an it's one of my favorite things because then I can just kind of be like, Oh yeah, that's right.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like Nanny used to do this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like it's just kind of like in your DNA, you know.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my granny would just snap them with her fingers.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she always snapped the ends off, and I would like sit there and watch her and be like hypnotized with granny with her bowls.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: I know snapping the little ends off and the way it would sound.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like, you know, I love that granny hobbies, snapping green beans.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_02: And that's now that's just what I want to do all day.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what did you do today?
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: I just like prepared one meal.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I did all day today.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: No, we're so far from that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, okay, so you actually had a cool um camping spot that you wanted to talk about.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so everything, uh all of my camping spots that are my favorite are always in Maryland around water.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: I just love the waterways around Maryland.
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  SPEAKER_01: So my favorite is Point Lookout State Park.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's way down um in the south.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the southernmost tip of Maryland, and it goes it's so on the one side is the Potomac River, and then on the other side is the Chesapeake Bay, and you're right at the peninsula where they meet.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's a huge confluence of water, and um it's just so beautiful when you drive all the way down to the point.
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  SPEAKER_01: First, you go through all the farms and all the fields and everything, and then you're in the forest, and um then when you come out of the forest, it's just this wide open sky, and all you see on all sides of you is water.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just the most beautiful spot.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can watch the sunset there, and it's gorgeous, sunrise, gorgeous.
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  SPEAKER_01: But um, the park actually has some dark history.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was um a prisoner of war camp in during the Civil War.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a Confederate soldier prisoner of war camp.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, since it's so far removed from the general population and all the cities, it's really hard to get to.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: And like these modern day roads that we take to get there were dirt roads back then, and it was miserable trying to get there.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: They couldn't find anyone to man this fort and this it was like um it was called the Lin I think it was called the Lincoln Fort, actually.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: And they used it as like a tr strategic location to like stop people from coming in through the water to get in getting into like Maryland and Baltimore.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: So they actually used um I guess they were freed slaves that were on the Union side that were watching these Confederate soldiers in prison.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: And um, it was just it was just a horrible, horrible thing that these poor men went through because right on the other side of the Potomac River is Virginia.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: So they would be sitting in Maryland in k in prison, and they're looking across the Potomac River, and that's freedom on the other side.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's like where they're from, you know, Virginia.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: And um, if you know anything about our waterways, we have a lot of bull sharks in the Chesapeake Bay, they live in brackish water very easily, and um they swim all the way up the streams and the rivers, and the Potomac River's huge, yeah.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: So um, there's been bull sharks caught in Point Lookout State Park before.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: So we go kayaking in there, and I always think about that when I'm in a kayak in that water, like, oh, there's probably sharks all around me.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's really, really creepy because you don't think about that in like a river, right?
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: But the Chesapeake Bay is so huge, when you're looking at it, it looks like an ocean.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you feel like you're on the ocean.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: But um, and it's pretty salty water, yeah.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's like brackish.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but anyway, it's a really great place to camp, especially if you love um history.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a place to go for history.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a Civil War buff, I highly recommend it.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: And there is a haunted lighthouse at the very end of the point.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: So this lighthouse, I don't exactly know all the haunted history.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: We would have to look it up.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that can be another episode.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: But um, it's one of those places that people talk about all the time.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and another fun tidbit is that do you know the video game Fallout?
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: So they did a whole series in Point Lookout State Park for Fallout.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And like when I took my son there, my son's 22 yet now, but when I took him there for the first time when he was young, he knew all about it.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: He was like this place was in a video game.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: What are you talking about?
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: You're learning history.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: He knew all about it before I did.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: I was like how cool.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know?
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Fallout's like super popular.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's like a TV show.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, this is just an awesome place.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: If you're in Maryland and you want to camp on the water, I highly, highly recommend Point Lookout State Park.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: We stayed, we camped there.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: We did.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: We all went together.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a big friend group.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: That was I remember yeah, it was.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's right.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: That place was spooky.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's very spooky at night.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: You don't really when you walk around at night, it's like you feel like people are looking at you.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it felt like we were so the campsite that we got, it was really, really hot.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: But the spot that we had, there was not a lot of like tree coverage, but there was a lot of like kind of, I guess just like scrubby little bushes.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but it was um, what is it called?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um there was it was like tall, like kind of the grasses?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like a like a bay grass.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: So I was sitting like in my tent and I had the tent open, and it's like I could just see like all the bay grass, and I was trying to like go to sleep.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: No, and it it just it felt I don't know, I got this feeling that like stuff was like like something was watching me.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like moving through the grass, yeah.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: Cause I mean it could have just been like I was falling asleep, but it was just it was creepy.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: We got some really wild pictures.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: The first time I took my family there was in the month of May before the season really kicked off.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: So there wasn't really that many people there.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: And we were up really late and we were like taking goofy pictures of each other, like jumping around the campsite, and there's all kinds of weird stuff in those pictures.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'll have to show you.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's like um I mean it's you're camping, so there's always gonna be smoke, but like the way the smoke was like acting, it looked like it was moving in like a specific way.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then there was like orbs and like weird flashes of light.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: It was just they're very really strange pictures, you know, and it's something I feel like I couldn't recreate if I tried.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's weird.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't always believe in like spirit photography.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I'm I'm very skeptical about it.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: I am very skeptical.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Very but these pictures to me, I was like, oh, these are these are strange.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: The Victorian spiritualist movement completely ruins spirit photography for me.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: I I agree all the time.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: But sometimes you do see a strange thing, like an anomaly or whatever.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: And you're like, wait a second.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Your brain starts going, oh, Civil War ghost?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: Or like, how could I recreate that if I wanted to?
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: Crazy.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_02: All right, cool.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um so then I guess, since we're talking about weird waterways, there is, if you are from Maryland, uh, you probably have heard about our own local sea monster, Chess.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Chessie.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Chessie.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: He's a cutie.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Chessie from the Chesapeake Bay.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: So Chessie is supposed to be friendly and people loving.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's a gentle giant.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: He loves everybody.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: He's never heard a soul.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: He's just a big giant anaconda.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so there's a lot of theories of what Chessie is.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: And um we have we have a bunch of theories ourselves that we were coming up with when we were reading um our little book.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, so this is probably I think my last like recommendation for like summer, at least in this episode.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: But so there is a book called Chessie, a cultural history of the Chesapeake Bay Sea Monster by Eric Cheeseham.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: Cheese em.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: And it was funny because when we were doing research on this, I um I looked, we came across this book, and I thought it was gonna just be like, you know, kind of like you know, Weird Maryland or the weird US series where it's just kind of a bunch of silly pictures.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's not like in-depth.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: This d this book is like really in-depth.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: So if you're interested in this or you just kind of want a good summer read, like I'm I highly recommend.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: This guy did a lot of research.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's very interesting.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's very, very interesting.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_02: And it's a big book, yeah.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: And there's really good accounts of like just local local local history.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like, he talks about um Captain Chesapeake, which we grew up with.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I loved Captain Chesapeake.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: Captain Chesapeake was a TV show for children that was aired here in Baltimore.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh so good.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: He had like a he was like obviously a captain, like a ship's captain.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: And he would talk about the like Chesapeake Bay, and he had like a puppet.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like Baltimore's Mr.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Rogers.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and it was the same time period.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was, it was 70s, 80s.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: PBS.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, PBS.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: Watching Captain Chesapeake, and then the the country time lemonade commercials.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: So clearly I just sat inside all summer.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: You're one of those kids.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's one of those kids.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: Get outside.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's 10 p.m.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know where your children are?
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, why?
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: Why do we have to have those commercials?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, I think it's sad that we don't anymore because the kids don't go outside anymore.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: In the 80s and 90s, we had commercials to remind our parents to let us in.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this board, do you know where your children are?
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: This is summertime.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: Where are the kids?
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Go outside and get your kids.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like Sidney Lauper and like all these famous people.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, it's 10 p.m.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know where your children are?
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: She like wrestled alien, and she's gonna remind you to bring in your children.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: You better go get them.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: Where are they?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: And what are you doing?
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's sad.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: I saw this, I was reading this meme or something, and this kid was like, I can't imagine being a child in the 90s.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: nineties.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: What'd you all do all day without phones or tablets?
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: And someone our age answered back, Well, we sure didn't sit inside and stare at screens.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: We had to have a specific commercial reminding our parents to find us.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: When it was late at night.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: So when we were going through like so that's funny because you say that because like when we were going through this like all this history and like doing research for Chessie like the stories stories that like keep coming up from the 70s.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like that's when and actually in this book um he he talks about that like how in like the beginning of the 70s that's when like all of this sort of phenomenon I think really kind of started kicking up.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know all the fringe kind of like weird stuff.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah you were saying that but like I don't know I kind of just I actually wrote a note about this like I feel like there was there was like a sense of adventure like in the 70s.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like it just I don't know kind of just was different.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know it was like right before any sort of like technological like in the home really like you didn't really I don't know have like a lot of TVs.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: No it was just different.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: And it was only like three commercials or something.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: Right right so you kind of had this like sense of adventure where it's like I'm outside more like we were talking about that yesterday like people like if you just go outside and notice what people are doing everybody is on their phone.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody's staring at a device right so nobody's looking at anything anymore.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: If Chessie were like just you know flopping by in the river you wouldn't see him you wouldn't see the aliens coming down from the sky.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: We wouldn't see Bigfoot running alongside the car.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: We were saying that like nobody do you guys even like do we even go out and look for anything like you know we wouldn't see any of it because we're just like so attached to our phones.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: Alright so speaking of the 70s like getting back to this uh chessy book he talks about um so this it was a project called the Enigma project um and he says uh the scenario was straight out of out of science fiction but reality was unequipped to respond to it enter the enigma project a riesters town maryland group established to chase down accounts of strange phenomenon in the mid-Atlantic probe them and hopefully find rational explanation for them uh so basically uh it's two engineers from Baltimore um so Michael Frizel and Robert Lazara and they founded the group in 1977 uh along with several others who shared their interest and they have a quote and it says we all had scientific and technical backgrounds and we could see that when certain controversial stories fringe scientifically fringe stories hit the media generally these subjects were poo-pooed and not really given any degree of serious scientific attention so that's kind of cool because now like fast forward to where we are and that's like all we're talking about.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly you know it's really really cool.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: So that was really rare in the 70s for people to even pay attention.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: Right you know to question that like I mean that's just awesome.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: So definitely buy this book but Crystal you had some accounts that you wanted to read of Chessie.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I have um a couple of sightings here that I thought were interesting that I wanted to highlight.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm seeing that the first reported sighting was in 1846.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow very old so in 1846 the first potential sighting of Chessie dates all the way back to when Captain Lawson reported seeing a strange creature in the water between the Delmarva Peninsula and modern day Virginia beach.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh cool so Virginia be Virginia is the other side of the Chesapeake Bay.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: If you look at a map um of the Chesapeake Bay you see that it's Maryland and Virginia we kind of both encompass encompass it but I think Maryland tries to take ownership of the Chesapeake Bay because it's you know it's ours but if you're from Virginia I'm not trying to you know take Chesapeake Bay from you because you're on it too.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway so we definitely do have like we take ownership of it.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know I don't hear like people I mean I don't really know many people from Virginia but I don't hear many people being like oh Chesapeake Bay crap.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like yeah I feel like all the actual like water activities are more in Maryland and then Virginia I I don't know I could be very wrong but I just feel like that's just well we have more of it on our shores.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: On our side on our side yeah and we have like you know the point lookout and everything.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: But you know Maryland and Virginia were neighbors.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah you know they have all the FBI stuff.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's all kind of the same when you're from both either place.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um so anyway so in 1934 was another sighting and that's another really old one two perch fishermen claimed they saw a strange creature emerge from the bay um like trying to get air I guess and the creature reportedly had the body of a horse and a head the size of a football.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow another sighting in 1943 two fishermen again saw a 12 foot log floating in the water about 75 feet away from their rowboat.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: The men thought nothing of it until the log got closer and raised its head out of the water.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: They claimed that the creature's head was the size of a football again and resembled a horse's head.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: So that's like the same account.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah the men panicked but before they could row to safety Chessie dove exposing the rest of its body.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: All told the men estimated the creature was double the size they originally projected around 24 feet long.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh in 1963 a helicopter pilot claimed to have seen Chessie while flying over the lower Bush River area.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: He wrote a letter I assure you that Chessie exists or my eyes were deceiving me.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh very sternly written letter in 1982 this was the first footage of Chessie okay and I think this is really funny I'm gonna go to the end here where it says in classic cryptozoology fashion we have easily the least convincing grainiest video I have ever seen to go off of nice see Chessie doesn't want to be found either it's the same thing just wants to be left alone but it says um prior to 1982 there were no photos no videos of Chessie just hearsay and various credible people's accounts on a clear night in 1982 Robert Frew, F-R-E-W and his wife Karen were entertain entertaining guests along the Chesapeake Bay.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: Around 730 p.m Robert remembers saying look at that thing floating over there was it a log?
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: Again a log the seven foot long object was swimming against the tide and appeared to have been propelling itself toward a group of swimmers.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: The creature disappeared and reappeared moments later and was guessed it um guestimated to be about 40 feet long.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Robert, a trained wildlife management expert was a unable to identify the creature he saw what we saw is not a run-of-the-mill animal they watched in all before realizing they should probably document this creature.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: They scramble to get a camera and that's where the grainiest most awful video of Chesse And we couldn't find it.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: We need these people to put that on YouTube so that's it.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah that would be great if you guys are listening.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah but wait so that was in the 80s?
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: That was 1982 oh what yeah in 1982 okay so they must have been like super rich because who just has like a video camera like you didn't have a camcorder well that's another thing if you're living on the Chesapeake Bay an entertaining guest you're rich right you live in chest okay yeah that's what's happening yeah all right those houses on the Chesapeake Bay are phenomenal and Kent Island like Kent nearly oh yeah that's where it was it was Kent it was Kent Island yeah Kent Island is all very clubs they just got on their yacht and yeah but so but that's the other thing too like you would be yeah you would be used to the waterway and seeing things you know whatever they are right exactly so that's something that's like wait a second what is that they made the whole party stop and take notice.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah um what's that gigantic thing swimming against the current that's crazy.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: And like we talked about sharks earlier but they don't bull sharks don't get that big.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right you know exactly and you can tell the difference I mean it has a a fin and a shark looks like a shark.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Chessie looks like Chess.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: The only thing that well there are a lot of possible explanations like we said earlier there could be anaconda.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um this one I really love.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: So the theory goes back to the day when sailors used to keep snakes in the halls of their ships to deal with the rat problem.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Once these ships were abandoned and decayed in Baltimore Harbor the snakes escaped into the city's sewer system and survived the winter in the warm pipes and they have been reproducing ever since.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's a really cool that's a really cool idea because it goes back to like um New York City sewer gators.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah do you know how like people used to buy alligators as pets and then you know they didn't know what to do with them once they got too big so they just like set them loose and s left them down the toilet so it's the same idea as that but um you know people are saying there's no way anacan anaconda could survive our winters because they're they're really cold.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: So you know there's this goofy little well but they're cold blooded.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: I I know but how does that work?
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know I don't know all anacondas are from like Amazon rainforest oh yeah okay maybe it's the yeah never mind yeah I clearly am not any sort of person that knows anything about it the Amazon River is also fresh water right it's not salt water no like we were saying the Chesapeake Bay is brackish salt water so they couldn't survive here.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah so that theory is out the door yeah um there's other theories but that was just like my favorite one um who doesn't love a a good sea monster story I love sea monsters they're my favorite well there was like even just I was trying to find like a news I just love the old like newspaper articles and I didn't write it down but there was one where they were saying oh this was a it was a lake so it wasn't it wasn't chessy but they were saying that like they drained the lake and they saw like its footprints like it's like I don't know about that.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well there are there's sea monsters all over the place there's not just loch listen the loch ness monster is like the cousin of Chessie you know there's Nessie and then there's Jesse.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um there's also one in Lake Champlain called Champ.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yep champ.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: So there's there's a bunch of sea monsters all over uh and it makes you wonder you know there's gotta be some kind of credibility oh we have barking dogs.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah it's summertime so um one of the other theories is that it's just a prehistoric animal that survived extinction there's one in particular called a Basilosaurus oh yeah and that would have had to survive an ice age 34 million years ago and there would have to be breeding pears there wouldn't just be one right there couldn't just be one unless he's like a time traveling I don't know interdimensional you mean yeah there you go okay who knows I don't know maybe maybe all these sea creatures are um like amazing interdimensional yeah or they're like immortal I don't know primordial sea creatures in the Chesapeake Bay oh I love that poor Chessie um but no seriously I do um I really highly recommend this book it's just like it's a great book he really just did so much great research and I'm I'm really excited about finishing it so definitely check that out and yeah have fun in the summer and until next time we will I don't even we don't even have a tagline we'll see you next time until next week bye bye together we'll continue to seek the truth to unravel the mysteries that lie just beyond our grasp so as you bid farewell to this episode remember you are not alone the wilderness is alive with secrets waiting to be discovered by those brave enough to venture forth we want to hear your stories email us at sasquatch and sourdough at gmail dot com.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: Until next time the truth is out there God is with you and everyone always ends up in the kitchen