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Vick's Flicks, Ep. 178: Gore Verbinski · Nashville Movie Dispatch

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  Speaker 1: And now, ladies and gentlemen, the Sobros Network proudly brings
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  Speaker 1: to you some in depth movie discussion with our resident
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  Speaker 1: film critic, Brandon.
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  Speaker 2: Vic At the evening, everyone, the Vick Flicks Podcast is here.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back for another episode of the vix Flicks Podcast
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  Speaker 3: right here on Nashville Movie Dispatch. Your host for the
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  Speaker 3: man who's this show Bears. He is a board member
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  Speaker 3: of the Music City Film Critics Association. He's a member
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  Speaker 3: of the Southeastern Film Critics Association. He's our resident film critic.
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  Speaker 3: Two here on Nashville Movie Dispatch, mister big shot himself,
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  Speaker 3: Brandon Vick. Brandon, how you doing today, my man.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a long time, it.
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  Speaker 3: Had well, technically it's only been a month.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We did an episode in January.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's uh, but we recorded that in November.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're here at the end of January recording February's
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  Speaker 3: episode of the Vick Flicks podcast, having been on practice
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  Speaker 3: for like two months, which is really weird for us.
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  Speaker 3: We've never done that before. Do you realize that, like
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  Speaker 3: our holidays? Yeah, it used to be like two weeks, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: right at Christmas to New Year's Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: Would say we only actually did kind of when most
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  Speaker 2: people take off, yeah, from their job. But yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: was it was nice, and I don't know if it
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  Speaker 2: was we started planning it obviously towards the end of
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  Speaker 2: the year, but now we were talking like that's I
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  Speaker 2: think that's kind of how we should do it from
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  Speaker 2: here on out because it's it is nice because November
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  Speaker 2: December and ship's tactic. Anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we've we've technically this is the first episode
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  Speaker 3: we've recorded since the week before Thanksgiving, so it's been.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we have if we can pull back the curtain
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, we've had conversations because honestly, I don't
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  Speaker 2: even remember where we left off and what we even
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  Speaker 2: did and where are we at this stage.
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember how to do the intro, right.
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  Speaker 2: I remember us bringing up this topic that we're going
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  Speaker 2: to do today.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was like, oh, yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: And then well, this was originally going to be a
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Seuss podcast for February.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but has November yep.
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  Speaker 3: So hey, maybe we can go ahead and record November's
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  Speaker 3: episode next.
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  Speaker 2: Why I really think that cat And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: this is not about kat in the Hat, but that
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  Speaker 2: might be my son's first movie. We might give it
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  Speaker 2: a real shot in November.
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  Speaker 3: Oh man, I think it looks awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just right. Yeah, he'll be almost.
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  Speaker 3: Four The Grinch too, so.
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  Speaker 2: You mighty Benedict Cumberbatch. Oh buddy, he does. But I
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  Speaker 2: will tell you he is gung ho on spider Man,
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  Speaker 2: those Spidery Friends, whatever's on Disney Plus. Yeah, you want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about spider Man, Ghost, Spidery, spin doc Oc, Rhino, Sandman, Electro.
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  Speaker 3: He's got it, man, he's got to get into that age.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy. And let me tell you when sometimes when
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, what do you want for breakfast? I
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  Speaker 2: just hear and he just has well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw him over the weekend and that was
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  Speaker 3: like the first thing he did to Yeah, he webbed me.
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  Speaker 2: And let me tell you something pal, I fucking sell it.
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  Speaker 3: I was about to say, you gotta sell it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, oh god, what is that?
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  Speaker 3: If a kid hits you with the Spider Man web slinging,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta sell it.
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  Speaker 2: But I expect him to sell when I do that
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  Speaker 2: Kertz spin a rooney and do that scissor kit. He's
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  Speaker 2: got to sell.
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  Speaker 3: Sell that too. Well. We are here, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: will pop up. We are here to talk about Gore
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  Speaker 3: Verbinski because.
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  Speaker 2: His name is a yeah, what a name.
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  Speaker 3: His name is attached to some of the biggest movies
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  Speaker 3: of the last twenty or so years that I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think yeah, I don't think they He has
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  Speaker 3: done some pretty good ship, he has done some pretty
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  Speaker 3: popular ship, but you never hear him heralded in the
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  Speaker 3: same conversation as some of the more revered directors filmmakers,
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  Speaker 3: which you know, I don't know. Let's let's just start there.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just get right in the reason we're talking about him.
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  Speaker 3: Good luck, have fun, don't die. His newest effort is
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  Speaker 3: is it out already? I'm trying to think of when
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  Speaker 3: this is going to be released. It's coming out this weekend, Friday,
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  Speaker 3: this Friday. Yeah, So we thought it'd be a good,
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  Speaker 3: good opportunity to kind of look back through his filmography.
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  Speaker 3: You've actually seen the film, so you'll provide a review
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the episode today. But let's just
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  Speaker 3: start with like, why is it do you think that
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  Speaker 3: like he is not a more heralded filmmaker and in
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  Speaker 3: the film community, film Twitter if you will, or letterbox, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, honestly, I don't know. No, I think when we
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  Speaker 2: kind of go like, he hasn't done an abundance of
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  Speaker 2: movie you know he was, he was a music vide.
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  Speaker 3: My best guess is like, yeah, like his good stuff
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  Speaker 3: is spread out for so long that when something like
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  Speaker 3: this does pop up, you're like, oh, yeah, oh no,
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  Speaker 3: broke my knuckle on the table over here.
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  Speaker 2: No your metal pinky fell off, or uh we're.
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  Speaker 3: Out of practice. Uh oh what you doing, baby girl?
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  Speaker 3: You can come in here. It's okay, it's just.
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  Speaker 2: Uncle braindon my audience.
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  Speaker 3: My kitten is trying to come into the studio and
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  Speaker 3: she's typically afraid of people, but she sees this in
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  Speaker 3: here and she wants to participate. So anyway after breaking
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  Speaker 3: breaking my knuckle, is it just because like for his
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  Speaker 3: stuff that is like truly great, not just a release
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  Speaker 3: every couple of years, but the stuff that's really great,
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  Speaker 3: there's so much time in between releases that by the
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  Speaker 3: time something new comes out, you're like, oh, yeah, gor Verbinski,
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  Speaker 3: Yeah he's done.
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  Speaker 2: I yes, But I also feel like even though that,
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  Speaker 2: I mean again, hell of a name, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: people associate him with some of these blockbusters that he's done.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's won in Oscar.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but which if you would have given me five
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  Speaker 3: guesses as to which of his films one in Oscar,
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  Speaker 3: I would not have guessed.
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  Speaker 2: I did specifically remember the Oscar Hue. Yeah, I like
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  Speaker 2: honed in because it was the peak Johnny Depp, right,
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  Speaker 2: like you know, and I remember and also that film
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  Speaker 2: was great, like I really do like it.
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  Speaker 3: Ringo for those for those wondering, and.
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  Speaker 2: The animation everything was so so well done.
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  Speaker 3: But I saw that one, but I know it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was well regarded.
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  Speaker 2: It was, yeah, and it is good.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe a future episode of movie review rewind.
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  Speaker 2: You should you should. And I even rewatched a movie
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  Speaker 2: for this specific episode because I've not seen it in
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  Speaker 2: years and years.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, we'll get to it.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know. I think he's kind of one
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  Speaker 2: of those I don't know if I have a good
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  Speaker 2: example of kind of one of those directors. It's always
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  Speaker 2: been directing and you love the movies they do, but
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  Speaker 2: you never know who's behind, Like you don't know, oh
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  Speaker 2: he is, Oh he's the one who did it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Does he have a signature style because some people
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  Speaker 3: you watch and you're like, oh, I get it. These
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  Speaker 3: kind of vibe together and I think you look at Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's part of it too, is that you
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  Speaker 3: look at some of his projects and while they're good films,
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  Speaker 3: it's almost like, you know, I don't I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to say, oh, anybody could have done it, but I
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  Speaker 3: don't think you watch it and you're like, that's a
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  Speaker 3: Gore Vibinski film.
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  Speaker 2: I think if there's one thing he kind of know
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  Speaker 2: how to handle kind of the big budget yeah stuff
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  Speaker 2: and to make something out of it. But as we
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  Speaker 2: go through, what I think I found most fascinating is
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  Speaker 2: that there is not one genre he hasn't thrown himself into.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like he's just kind of done these and
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  Speaker 2: then he changed this, and then what he ended up
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  Speaker 2: winning an Oscar for he had I don't I think
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  Speaker 2: that was his only animated movie. So I applaud him
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  Speaker 2: in the fact that there is no genre that he
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  Speaker 2: is scared to kind of just dive into and whatever
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  Speaker 2: the story may be and how to you know, how
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  Speaker 2: to present it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's just jump right into his filmography. Then we'll
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  Speaker 3: go to nineteen ninety seven.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start with that he really loves bad Religion.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When I was looking, he did quite a few music
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  Speaker 2: videos for Poe Religion.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I that's I'm off his page now, but there's
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  Speaker 3: account of music videos that.
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  Speaker 2: He here's a bunch.
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  Speaker 3: It's but you know, it's impressive.
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  Speaker 2: But I think I remember at a time that was
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  Speaker 2: kind of the thing. Yeah, music video directors ended up
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  Speaker 2: making that jump to film. And do you remember MTV's
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  Speaker 2: making the video. Yes, a lot of them would go
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  Speaker 2: on like f Gary Gray, like a lot of them
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  Speaker 2: would make that jump because they did like the most
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  Speaker 2: popular people's videos that would you know, rack up all
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  Speaker 2: these MTV music awards and shit. And I think, I
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  Speaker 2: mean Gore was kind of there in the in the
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  Speaker 2: early mid nineties when he was there.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to his first full length feature, Yes, mouse
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  Speaker 3: Hunts from Yees nineteen ninety seven. This Nathan Lane, Lee Evans,
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  Speaker 3: Christopher Walking. The film follows two brothers in their struggle
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  Speaker 3: against one small but crafty house mouse for possession of
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  Speaker 3: a mansion which was willed to them by their father.
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  Speaker 3: I never saw this one. It's his only it's his
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  Speaker 3: only credit feature credit in the nineties. Did you see
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  Speaker 3: mouse Hunt?
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  Speaker 2: I have, I did not. I haven't seen it in
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  Speaker 2: a very long time, but I remember it being like
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  Speaker 2: a fun, cute Disney type movie where it was kind
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  Speaker 2: of like all this high jeens and absurdity, and because
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  Speaker 2: the mouse was doing this and this, and they were,
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  Speaker 2: you know, kind of these greedy brothers that were trying
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  Speaker 2: to sell this house. But it was fun it for
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  Speaker 2: what it was. But I also it brings us mout
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  Speaker 2: in my face because as we go along, I love
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  Speaker 2: that this was his first movie.
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  Speaker 3: It's the first one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So then we get into the two thousands, and as
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  Speaker 3: a director, this is quite a run. Quite a run.
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  Speaker 3: Two thousand and one you had The Mexican. I'm just
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  Speaker 3: realizing now that there's like some directors were like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this year he did this, this, and that next year
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  Speaker 3: he did that another. This is just one movie a year.
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  Speaker 3: Two thousand and one, two three, The Mexican, The Ring,
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  Speaker 3: Pirates of the Caribbean, The Curse of the Black Pearl.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's a and then you factor in two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and five. He takes a year off in four. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: comes back in five with the weather Man. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I haven't watched The Mexican in a while. Yeah. We
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  Speaker 3: recently did an episode of drinking with on the Ring,
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  Speaker 3: and I do watch the Curse of the Black Pearl,
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  Speaker 3: like every summer I think it's a good summer summertime movie.
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  Speaker 3: The Weatherman a classic like that is a four movie
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  Speaker 3: run that you could stack up with, like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, just based on pure entertainment value.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, which I think is probably to go back to
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  Speaker 3: our conversation from earlier, if I were to put a
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  Speaker 3: stamp on gor Verbinski's brand, that it would be entertaining.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I So The Mexican is the one
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  Speaker 2: that I rewatched before this.
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  Speaker 3: How does it hold up all these years.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a great movie. Okay, it is peek Brad Pitt,
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  Speaker 2: Julia Roberts star power. The movie is not that great.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot of hijinks on him being in Mexico
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  Speaker 2: with his gun, and then the other side of it
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  Speaker 2: is this girlfriend who they're not you know, they're she's
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  Speaker 2: he's kind of lied to her, they're not on good terms.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's a mistaken identity which brings in James Gandolfini.
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  Speaker 2: I think the one thing I got out of this
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  Speaker 2: is that James Gandalfini deserves a lot more credit.
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  Speaker 3: I think for sure.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's he is fantastic in this. I dare
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  Speaker 2: say he's probably the best part about this but it,
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  Speaker 2: but it kind of suits that early two thousand thing.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, when I think of either
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  Speaker 2: Brad Pitt or Joia Roberts, I do not think of
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  Speaker 2: this movie ever. But The Ring, Holy shit.
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  Speaker 3: How do you go from mouse Hunt to the Mexican
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  Speaker 3: to the Exactly and how do you parlay that into
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  Speaker 3: getting the deal from Exactly?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, And that's what is. The way he's
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  Speaker 2: able to pivot from one genre to the other is astounding.
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  Speaker 2: But I The Ring is still one of the best
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  Speaker 2: horror movies, and I don't think people realize what kind
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  Speaker 2: of craze it started with this PG thirteen horror thing
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  Speaker 2: and the Pirates of the Car. That first one can
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  Speaker 2: never be beat. Yeah, it just can't be beat. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna talk about He does go on to do a
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  Speaker 2: couple of others, but one of the best summer blockbusters
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  Speaker 2: ever to be done. Johnny Depp as Captain Sparrow was
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  Speaker 2: nominated for an Oscar. Yeah, that's how legit this whole
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  Speaker 2: thing was. And then I don't think people really know
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  Speaker 2: about The weather Man, but I'm gonna tell you it
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  Speaker 2: is one of the best dry is when the last
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  Speaker 2: time hilarious. I have not watched in a very long time,
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  Speaker 2: but I recently got the Blu ray of it, and
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  Speaker 2: I really want to do some episode about it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we got on the calendar.
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  Speaker 2: I love like the milkshake thing. It's and Nicholas No, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Nicholas holds.
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  Speaker 3: In that There's Somebody That's yeah right, yeah, we looked
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  Speaker 3: it up recently.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That and About a Boy Yeah in both yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So I I love that movie, even though it did
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  Speaker 2: not get the credit it deserves.
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  Speaker 3: So he wraps up the two thousand's with two Pirates movies,
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  Speaker 3: Pirates of the Caribbean dead Man's Chest in two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and six and Pirates of the Caribbean at World's End
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and seven. How many Pirates movies have they made?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Man, are they up to seven?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So he did those.
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  Speaker 3: He did the first three and then hopped off the bandwagon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there was at World's End.
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  Speaker 3: At World's End was seven. He did do that.
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  Speaker 2: He did do that one, and what's dead Man's Chest?
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  Speaker 3: That was the second one though.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so those and then there's a fourth one in there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's a fourth Pirates that he did.
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  Speaker 3: Not do I'm gonna have to look it up.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm trying to think because Bill Nye was one
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  Speaker 2: of the villains and Jeffrey Raw, Jeffrey Rush was phenomenally.
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  Speaker 3: So much, so much.
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  Speaker 2: And then there was talk because of.
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  Speaker 3: On Stranger Tides in twenty eleven and then Dead Man
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  Speaker 3: Tell Dead Men Tell Tales in twenty seventeen. Ye, I
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  Speaker 3: never saw. I never saw the fourth or fifth one.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would say, you're not missing much. The
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Captain Sparrow character obviously does not doesn't excite or th
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: real like he like he used to. I do. And
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: then there was talk that they were gonna kind of
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: revamp it, but Margot Robbie was going to be the
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Jack Sparrow like esque character because of all I could
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Johnny Depp's troubles, But now that I don't think that's
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: happening anymore. And then the last time I read that
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: maybe he would be a part of Johnny Depp would
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: be a part of it because he's trying to make
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: a comeback now that him and his Amber Herd shit
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: has done. I'm not sure, but honestly, I don't know
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: what I mean. I don't know what you add to it.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Unless you just totally change it. But the thing is,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: and it kind of is to the credit of Gore.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't beat Johnny Depp and Jeffrey Rush
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: and Orlando Bloom and Kiera Knightley. Like, I just don't
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: think you can beat that that set up.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: And now you're talking about five six moos, you know,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: talking about the seventh movie that doesn't I mean, that's
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: not gonna excite people the way that you're assumed.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: You're talking about a lightning in a bottle sort of
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: situation with that first one, second one, okay, not as good,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: third one probably not as good as that one. Like,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: it's just a I mean, it happens to every franchise, right,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: It's very rare that you can kind of keep that momentum.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Going when your peak is the first one. I don't
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: know if I recommend doing like seven of them.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, at that point it's just the IP
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: cash grabs, right, Yeah.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: So and I see why Gore probably decided I'm not
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: gonna do it, but if they make money, I think
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: that's sort of what leads to his next film.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: So, four years after the release of Pirates of the
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Caribbean at World's End is Ringo, for which he wins
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: an Oscar the Best Animated Feature at the Oscars that year.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: It is one of only a few of his movies
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: that I have not seen.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: It's great, It really is good. What I recommend it?
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: What was it a So it wasn't a Pixar film?
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Was there a Pixar film that it beat out that year?
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Because I remember for a while, I don't know if
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: you know, off the top of your head, I remember
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: for a while like that award that category was basically
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: you might as well have named it the best Pixar
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: film of the year.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me see, hang on one sick.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I guess I could look it up too. We're just
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: sitting here stalling. It's a lizard cowboy.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: It is a very it's a very funny.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: And the voices which gor Verbinski actually was the voice
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: of Sergeant Turley whoever that is in Ringo.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: So it won at the eighty fourth Academy Awards, breaking
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: a four year winning streak by Pixar.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it defeated A Cat in Paris, Chico and Rita
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Puss in Boots in Kung Fu Panda two.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: So that's not there's not a Pixar film even in that.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: So it was the first non Pixar Disney film to
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: win the award since two thousand and six. It was
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: essentially by Paramount Pictures. It also won at the Baptist
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: and the Anti Awards, which is kind of the animated
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: oscars just praise for its offbeat, quirky tone, high quality animation.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: So yeah, do you know what Pixar's release was in
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: twenty eleven, Um, it's Cars two.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Well that explains.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: So there we go. We've gotten the bottom of that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: What was it about Ringo that you liked so much?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is quirky, it is it. It is offbeat.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: The animation is great, but I think it's a story
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: like it was. It's very much like an adult and
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: made a movie. Not that not that kids couldn't go
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: see it, but it kind of changed it up from
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I think what we were kind of getting used to, yeah,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: from Pixar dream work stuff like that, and so it
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: was it was very different. And you know, you know,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, Johnny Depp has done like Corpse Bride for instance,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: so as you know, he's not new to animation, but
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: it really works, and it really works with him, and
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: so it was it's it's funny, but it's not your
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: typical animated narrative story. You know, it's just not that case.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: In twenty thirteen, he's he's back at it with with
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Johnny Depp again for The Lone Ranger, which, man, it
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: had some potential and it just was was not not
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: very good.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: No, that was one of the if not the biggest
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: flop of that year.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Had a budget of according to Wikipedia, two hundred and
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: twenty five to two hundred and fifty million dollars and
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: made two sixty So that is, you know, you're not
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: incredibly profitable there and didn't didn't really get good reviews either.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: What do you think went wrong with The Lone Ranger.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's kind of where they're trying to
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: make Armie Hammer a movie star and they're still trying
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: to Johnny Depp is ride in this Pirate's Wave and
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Ringo and he's still very much a a plus movie star. Yeah,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: but I mean I kind of feel like I kind
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: of associate this When Will Smith thought Will wild West
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: was going to be a great idea, you can't deliver,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: and the thing is Low Ranger is a very identifiable
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: property that people grew up with, sure, and trying to
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: update that and modernize it, you have to be careful.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And I think it was just a everything was just bloated,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: like it was.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: A very flat movie, as I recall, Yeah, it was
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: not just not having a lot of substance to.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: It, right, And I yeah, I mean, you know, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: you kind of want that fun escapism And I'm not
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: saying it doesn't totally get it, and I didn't hate it,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: but I do think it's one of those that's like
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: there is really nothing to it, and the fact that
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: you have put invested this much money to try and
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: make it, I feel like it was I feel like
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: it was maybe Gore's attempt to kind of start something
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: new off of the Pirates yea, you know, Glory, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: it didn't happen, and he was humbled very quickly.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: He follows that up with twenty seventeen's psychological horror film
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: A Cure for Wellness Dane de Han Jason Isaac's Mia
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: goth In. That movie didn't perform that well at the
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: box office.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: And it came out. This came out in February.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Really, yeah, I did. I see December is when it
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: hit Alamo Draft House. Oh wow, February seventeenth, twenty seventeen.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: This is the other movie of his that I never saw.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I wanted to rewatch it, yeah, but I didn't get
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: a chance to. But I went back on the Sobros
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Network and found that I gave it two and a
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: half out of five stars back then. And I say
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: that gor Verbinski can cox a slick psychological thriller, spreading
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: crazy suspicion and creepiness, and then the truth about the
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: cure sours the entire experience, wishing you never took a
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: sip of this twisted drink. It won't quench your thirst
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: for great mystery and suspense. And I sort of remember,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I really remember like the trailer of it, and it
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: did seem like it was going to be like, you know,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: a night, like a psychological thriller. I mean, looking at
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: it now, I'm not sure what came before it, but
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: sort of like a Shutter Island kind of thing, like
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: as I think about it, even if Shorelan was after,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: that's not the point, but it but yeah, it's one
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: of the because it's like a two and a half
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: hour movie. It's pretty long, but I it and and
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I mean there's been so many movies before it, and
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: obviously I really remember so many movies after it where
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: once that mystery's out, there's nowhere to go.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: It just it's like popping a balloon.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: And I remember it being so consumed by atmosphere and
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: then nothing else, and I think Lone Ranger. And then
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: this movie made Gord walk away for a while, like
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the coffin.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well, I mean it's been I mean at
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: this point nine years. Yeah, yeah, that gets us to
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: good luck, have fun, don't die, which was the latest
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: moment where his name pops up and you're like, oh yeah,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: gorgo and.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Like he's produced some stuff, but he hasn't produced anything
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: since twenty sixteen for a Cure for Wellness. He is
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: a producer for the Secret Life of Walter Mitty. Nothing
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: that that was, but yeah, and so I don't think
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: anything can really put into words that when we when
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: it was early two thousands and at the age we were,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: when you can do something like The Ring and parts
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: of the Caribbean, you pretty much do whatever you want. Yeah,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: those are huge money makers. And then Wether Man times. Yeah,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: and I feel like The weather Man was and I
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: don't know this, but it does kind of feel like
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: and again, Nicholas Cage very much a superstar, which he'll
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: never not be a superstar, but I feel like he
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: made the money there and then he's decided, I'm going
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: to do something for me. Because Weatherman was not flashy.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: It was not a big you know what I mean.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a big release. I'm sure it didn't make
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: hardly any money. But he he could work within that
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: system until it bit him in the ass. And I
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: would say, when you go off from being an Oscar
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: winner and then you have flops like the Lone Ranger
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: and a Cure for Wellness, that's a big.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: You're not prolific. So it's not like there's a blip
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: in the radar, not like it.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Says from gor Verbinski director like we see for some
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: of these those.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Are your only two films after the Oscar win, and
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: it's it kind of magnifies everything.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: So it's almost like, oh, yeah, he he was a
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Johnny Depp.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so is gor Verbinski back with good Luck, Have Fun,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: don't die.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I enjoy this movie. Okay, it is an absurdist comedy
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: of sorts. Absolutely, it has a lot to say about
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: AI has a lot to say about our our dependency
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: on technology. How so, how social media media influences our
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: every day thinking, our every you know doing. It's a
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: really sharp satire on that stuff. In case you don't know,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: let me read this. This is from IMDb. A man
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: from the future arrives at a diner in la where
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: he must recruit the precise combination of disgruntled patrons to
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: join him on a one night quest to save the
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: world from the terminal threat of a rogue artificial intelligence.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: This has uh, Sam Rockwell as a Z beats Haley
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Lou Richardson, Michael Penya, Juno Temple, Uh, great cast and
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: uh leading it to Sam Rockwell. His charm and charisma
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: is out on full force. I had read a thing
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: where I think it was something about Gore Verbinski and
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: kind of casting Sam Rockwill and he's quoted in the
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: saying basically, Sam Rockwell and the character he plays has
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: this fucket energy and it's very much required and highly
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: amusing when you see it on you know, on screen.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I will say, I think that as much as it
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: has to say about technology AI, you know, and just
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: kind of humanity in itself. A part of the story
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: kind of goes into kind of how did these people
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: get here? How did they get to the diner. I
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: think Michael Penya and Zazi Beats kind of get the
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: They kind of get the worst of the subplots. As
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: far as what brought them there, it's not as interesting.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I do think Haylu Lu Richardson Juno Temple get the best,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: get the best out of it, and I think that's
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: where I think most of the kind of the emotion
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: comes from, because I think you can resonate with it
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: in some form or fashion as far and it's I
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: think even now, right now today is relatable even if
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: it hasn't happened to you. I don't think any of
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: this is too far fetched until we get towards the end,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: when they start actually getting to the place that they
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: have to go to save the future, it gets a
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: little bit too off the rails. I feel like we
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: kind of do. We're kind of in over our head
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: on some stuff. I don't want to spoil anything because
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: again it is out on Friday, but there is some
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: some creative choices in there that I don't really sort
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: of takes away from that energy that in that momentum
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: that we're kind of that it's been working towards. Yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: for a solid you know, hour and forty five. Again,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: this is if I'm not mistaken, it is a little
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: over two hours long. But I really and again I
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: think you know it when you see it. And some
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: of it is because it's a satire, it kind of
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: has allowed itself to be to kind of go a
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: little bit, kind of push the boundaries a bit. I
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: don't I wouldn't say it helps it, but I think
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: within that space it's not it's not as crazy. I
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: feel like we could have done something better or different.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: But I really liked what it had to say, and
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I really was quite fascinated in as far as this
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: way of kind of this time traveling. Like I said,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: over the top of surtis comedy, but there's real heart
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: to it, and there is real significance to kind of
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: the world that we're living in right now. And and
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I mean Sam Rockwell as our leader. Again, he's the
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: movie would not be as good without him. But it's
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: just that kind of attitude he brings that is I
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: mean it it fits perfectly. It really does. It's it's
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: it's I mean, no one should doubt Sam rockwell, but
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: even like from his get up to his delivery and
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: just kind of this attitude he has because this is
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: not his first attempt. I think it's he says, it's
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: like his one hundred and seventeenth time trying to do this.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: It but and and it does add to a lot
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: of of of good humor, and so yeah, I enjoyed it.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: It may not be for everyone, but I would my
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: vixfix rating is good be a three and a half
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: out of five. I feel like this is probably his
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: best since Raino.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I was about to say, it sounds like a bit
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: of a rebound, yes, his time away.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: So yes, and I really like the last scene where
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: things are kind of figured out and it's not quite
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: what it's not the journey we thought we were on,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: but it sort of reignites this one of Okay, now
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I think we can do it. And so anyway, it's
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: well worth checking out. And I was pleasantly surprised and
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: very entertained by Gore's vision in this. And like I said,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the ensemble and stuff, it's really good.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Do you have a Gore Verbinsky, Mount Rushmore. Is it
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: as easy as The Ring Curse of the Black Pearl,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: The weather Man and Ringo?
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, it feels like there's a pretty clear cut divine Yeah.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: But that's the beauty of Gore's filmography because if you
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: look at each of those films, they are totally different
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: in almost every way and almost every absolutely every every way.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: And that's what when we first talked about doing this.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I really like that idea, because he has not felt
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: like he has been constraint in one genre, even when
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: the Pirates movies and Lone Ranger and stuff. I get.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: But then okay, we'll do a cure for wellness, and
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: now we're and even this one, the good Luck, Have Fun,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Don't Die? Is that is like he's still kind of
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: doing it, Like I think that's obviously that's the kind
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: of filmmaker he is. I don't expect this to end
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: up making him, but I do. I do hope that
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: it kind of turns the page as far as kind
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: of these past however many years since Rango to appreciate
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: what he's been able to do. And I do think
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: that this film with a like I said, with a
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: very sensational Sam rockwell performance that this can get it
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: back on track and also make people take notice of
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: what he can do because he's done. If there's one
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: thing I hope people take away from this is that
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: he's done some really good shit.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, that is a fitting place for us to
• 36:23
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