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Murder In Moscow: Jennifer Coffindaffer Discusses The Murders In Moscow · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. When
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  Speaker 1: the murders in Moscow first happened, I was going back
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  Speaker 1: and forth if the sex of the person or persons
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  Speaker 1: responsible for the murders was going to be male or female.
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  Speaker 1: But the more we have learned, the more obvious I
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  Speaker 1: think anyway that the person or persons responsible here were males.
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  Speaker 1: When you hear about the viciousness of the attacks, and
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  Speaker 1: especially after we heard some more details from Kaylee's dad,
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  Speaker 1: it certainly leads me to believe that it was somebody
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of strength who was pretty pissed off
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  Speaker 1: when they committed these murders. Now, who was it? I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea. Why were they pissed off? I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that either. And frankly, I don't think anyone else
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  Speaker 1: does either. But today we have an article from Newsweek saying,
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  Speaker 1: And an ex-FBI agent, Jennifer Kofendafer, is talking about how
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  Speaker 1: difficult it is to use a knife on somebody and
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  Speaker 1: murder them. And how it's not an easy thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: So that leads her to believe that the person or
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  Speaker 1: persons responsible here were males. And I've certainly been of
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  Speaker 1: that opinion since all of this broke. So let's get
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  Speaker 1: into this article and let's see what Jennifer Kofendafer and
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  Speaker 1: the author of the article, Anna Commander, have for us. Headline,
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  Speaker 1: Idaho murder stabbings weren't easy. Suspect was a man, former
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  Speaker 1: FBI agent. The stabbing murders of four University of Idaho
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  Speaker 1: students in November were not easy, one former FBI agent
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  Speaker 1: tweeted on Sunday, concluding that the suspect was a man.
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  Speaker 1: And now this is somebody that obviously has a lot
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  Speaker 1: of experience building these kinds of profiles. And when you
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of experience dealing with situations like this,
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  Speaker 1: you catch things that other people might miss, right? That's
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  Speaker 1: why the commentary from a lot of these ex-profilers or
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  Speaker 1: ex-FBI agents, I find that to be pretty interesting, to
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  Speaker 1: be honest with you. I always like to get the
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  Speaker 1: opinions and the viewpoints from the men and women that
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  Speaker 1: are actually on the ground in situations like this and
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  Speaker 1: who have real-life and real-time experience dealing with all of
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  Speaker 1: the issues that you see popping up in an investigation
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  Speaker 1: like this. Jennifer Coffendaffer, a retired FBI agent and law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement analyst, took to Twitter on Sunday voicing her thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on the Idaho stabbings. When I was doing my EMT
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  Speaker 1: rotations out of a fire station in South Dallas, my
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  Speaker 1: first call was to a stabbing, Coffendaffer said, She continued,
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  Speaker 1: the woman was stabbed many times, perforated lung, but was
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  Speaker 1: screaming and angry. To murder these four Idaho students took ferociousness, strength,
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  Speaker 1: and resolve. It wasn't easy. In my experience, it was
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  Speaker 1: a man. And I agree. You have to be very
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  Speaker 1: strong to do what happened here. And when we got
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  Speaker 1: more context, obviously, especially recently, like I said in the opening,
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  Speaker 1: what we learned from Kaylee's father about the brutal nature
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  Speaker 1: of these wounds and how deep some of the wounds were,
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  Speaker 1: I was pretty much convinced at that point that it
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  Speaker 1: was a man who was behind these murders. It would
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  Speaker 1: take a very, very strong woman to do what happened here.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that they were asleep and all of that,
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  Speaker 1: but still, you would have to be very strong to
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  Speaker 1: do what the person or persons did inside of this house,
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  Speaker 1: and with the brutality of it all, and with how
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  Speaker 1: violent the attack was, I just have a hard time
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  Speaker 1: believing that it was a woman. On November 13th, the
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  Speaker 1: Moscow Police Department responded to a home near the University
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho and discovered Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin,
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  Speaker 1: and Zana Kernodle fatally stabbed. As of Thursday, Moscow police
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  Speaker 1: have yet to identify a suspect or a person of interest.
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  Speaker 1: Police have also been unable to uncover a weapon, but
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  Speaker 1: previously said that they were searching for a fixed blade knife.
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  Speaker 1: And up until today even, which is the 19th, no
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  Speaker 1: suspect found, no weapon found. No person of interest that
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  Speaker 1: they've stated publicly. And it would seem that the investigators
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  Speaker 1: are no closer to finding answers here than when this
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  Speaker 1: all first started. On Friday, Moscow police updated the public
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  Speaker 1: on their progress in the investigation, specifically regarding the search
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  Speaker 1: for a white 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra. We have looked at
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  Speaker 1: massive amounts of video footage. especially in the critical camera areas,
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  Speaker 1: Chief James Fry said in a video posted to YouTube. Now,
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  Speaker 1: with the Hyundai, I think they're doing a fantastic job
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  Speaker 1: going through the leads that they have, but what if
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  Speaker 1: it's stolen? I know I talked about this earlier when
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  Speaker 1: we were talking about the Hyundai Elantra in that episode,
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  Speaker 1: but if you're going to commit a crime like this
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  Speaker 1: and it's premeditated and you plan it all out, wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: you go the extra step? of watching a quick ass
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  Speaker 1: TikTok video and learning how to steal a car and
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  Speaker 1: doing it easily because we know that it's very simple
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  Speaker 1: to do. There's a bunch of teenagers running around doing
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  Speaker 1: a TikTok challenge about stealing these kinds of Hondas and Kias.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not like it's very difficult to do. Now, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any information that you're not privy to
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  Speaker 1: about the Hyundai being stolen, but I think it's certainly
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  Speaker 1: a valid avenue for the investigators to take a walk down.
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  Speaker 1: Fry continued, we looked at the 24 hours prior and
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  Speaker 1: 24 hours after of those and now, and we're extending
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  Speaker 1: that out even further to other cameras and other time frames.
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  Speaker 1: Moscow investigators continue to say that they believe the occupants
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  Speaker 1: of the Hyundai may have critical information to share regarding
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  Speaker 1: the case. And look, I don't know if the people
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  Speaker 1: who are driving this Hyundai are responsible for these murders,
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  Speaker 1: but it certainly seems like quite the coincidence that this
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  Speaker 1: car is showing up on all of these cameras right
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  Speaker 1: in the golden hour, if you will, of when these
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  Speaker 1: murders allegedly took place. So I could see why the
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  Speaker 1: investigators would be so gung-ho about finding whoever was driving
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  Speaker 1: that vehicle. Meanwhile, Koffendaffer also shared her thoughts regarding the
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  Speaker 1: possibility of video evidence getting leaked. I fear as time
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  Speaker 1: goes on and the public becomes more impatient with law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement concerning the Idaho homicides, more video and other information
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  Speaker 1: provided to law enforcement may be leaked, the former FBI
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  Speaker 1: agent said. And anytime you're in any investigation, leaks are
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  Speaker 1: something you're going to have to contend with. But when
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  Speaker 1: you're in an investigation such as this, You're going to
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  Speaker 1: have people who are going to leak. There's no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many people who are involved and there's going
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  Speaker 1: to be people who have an ax to grind with
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  Speaker 1: the investigation for a slight or a perceived slight, whatever
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  Speaker 1: it might be. But people are going to have leaks.
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  Speaker 1: And the longer this goes, the likelihood of that happening,
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  Speaker 1: it really increases. We even saw down in Delphi towards
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  Speaker 1: the end here, there were leaks about what the police
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  Speaker 1: were doing with Keegan Klein. And it's typical for small
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  Speaker 1: towns like this, especially for there to be a lot
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  Speaker 1: of scuttlebutt and people talking. Airline. Coffin Daffer argued this
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  Speaker 1: will only harm the investigation. The killer is part of
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  Speaker 1: the public and you can bet he is watching. I
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  Speaker 1: definitely think that's happening. And I'm sure whoever this person is,
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  Speaker 1: or these people, they're getting off on it. And the
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  Speaker 1: longer it goes, again, the more I'm convinced it's just
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  Speaker 1: one person. Because how many people can keep secrets, folks?
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  Speaker 1: How long do people usually keep secrets? Not very long.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody tells their buddy or somebody has a guilty conscience
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  Speaker 1: and they tell somebody else. And the more people you
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  Speaker 1: have involved in a crime, the likelihood of you getting caught,
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  Speaker 1: it dramatically increases with each person who's part of the crime.
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  Speaker 1: because all it takes is one person having loose lips
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  Speaker 1: and everybody sunk. So the longer this goes without anyone
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  Speaker 1: being arrested or any suspects or anything like that, the
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  Speaker 1: more I'm convinced it was just one killer who did this. Now, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: that's just my speculation and the way I'm reading this,
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  Speaker 1: and it can be completely off base. And wherever the
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  Speaker 1: evidence leads us, that's where I'm going to go. But
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  Speaker 1: from what we're looking at here and what we currently see, Man,
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  Speaker 1: it certainly looks to me like it's a male and
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  Speaker 1: it was one person. Coffin Daffer told Newsweek on Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: with the new information regarding the Elantra, we know police
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  Speaker 1: are disseminating info regarding the Elantra. That makes me wonder
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  Speaker 1: how the car comes into play. Nothing is making sense
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  Speaker 1: regarding the Elantra. That's true too. Nothing really does make
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  Speaker 1: sense regarding that Elantra. Obviously, the police, they believe that
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  Speaker 1: it holds critical information. and evidence that could maybe, according
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  Speaker 1: to the investigators, blow the doors off the case and
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  Speaker 1: be that critical piece of information that they need to
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  Speaker 1: get their arrest but as of now we really haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen anything else besides them putting out the call to
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  Speaker 1: arms if you will about information surrounding that Hyundai Elantra
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  Speaker 1: the crime was filled with passion hate and done by
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  Speaker 1: someone who feels they were so wronged, Coffendaffer argued. She
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  Speaker 1: continued saying that she believes the crime may have been
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  Speaker 1: thought out and executed to a degree. And if it
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  Speaker 1: was targeted and we're going off of the official narrative,
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  Speaker 1: that certainly seems to track a crime that was filled
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  Speaker 1: with passion, hate and done by someone who feels they
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  Speaker 1: were so wronged that they had to be this violent.
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  Speaker 1: So that certainly all tracks with me. as she builds
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  Speaker 1: that profile. Now, is it going to end up being,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a hit? Who knows? But it's certainly an
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  Speaker 1: interesting profile that's being built. And when you look at
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  Speaker 1: everything that we have learned and you look at just
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  Speaker 1: the circumstantial evidence that we have available, it becomes more
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  Speaker 1: and more apparent, at least to me, that the person
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  Speaker 1: who did this was angry as hell. Now, the question is,
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  Speaker 1: what were they angry about? I think they, the suspect,
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  Speaker 1: were brilliant to enter and exit without being seen. They
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  Speaker 1: were familiar with the house, Coffendaffer added. And that's something
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  Speaker 1: else I've said. This person's pretty smooth. To be able
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  Speaker 1: to evade this gigantic manhunt for going into two months now,
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  Speaker 1: this person's either relatively shrewd and relatively sophisticated, or they
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  Speaker 1: are really, really lucky. And if they have that kind
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  Speaker 1: of luck and that's what they're going to continue to
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  Speaker 1: rely on to keep their ass out of the ringer, well,
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  Speaker 1: that luck is going to run out eventually. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's going to come with hard-nosed police work.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's going to come with a tip from
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  Speaker 1: the public. Because historically speaking, that's how this stuff usually goes.
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  Speaker 1: It's usually a tip and that usually leads the investigators
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  Speaker 1: to the person they're looking for. All right, folks, that's
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  Speaker 1: going to do it for this one. If you'd like
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