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- Lucas: So you want to break into a new role, but your resume doesn't have the exact job title. Maybe you're a teacher trying to move into corporate training, or a retail manager eyeing operations. And every job description asks for three years of experience in something you've never been paid to do. Luna: That wall hits hard. I still remember applying for my first marketing role — I had a degree in English lit, not a single campaign under my belt. Lucas: And yet you got hired. How? Luna: I pitched my thesis research as a proxy for market analysis. I'd spent six months tracking narrative trends in Victorian novels — audience engagement, thematic shifts. I framed it as understanding what an audience wants before they know they want it. Lucas: Exactly — that's a skill proxy. A skill proxy is a substitute experience that demonstrates you have a capability, even if you never held the official title. The key is that the underlying skill is the same, even if the context is different. Lucas: There's actually solid research on this. A 2021 Harvard Business Review study looked at hiring managers evaluating candidates for a data analyst role. Some candidates had direct analyst experience, others had what the researchers called 'proxy experience' — things like managing a department budget or running a school science fair. Luna: And the proxy candidates performed just as well on the job? Lucas: Better, in some metrics. The study found that hiring managers who evaluated proxies instead of exact matches made 30 percent more accurate predictions of on-the-job performance. Because they were forced to focus on the actual skills — analytical thinking, project management — rather than just matching job titles. Luna: But there's a catch. You have to know how to frame it. You can't just hand someone a resume that says 'taught 9th grade English' and expect them to see a trainer. Lucas: Right. The framing is everything. Let me give you a concrete example. I spoke with a woman named Priya last month. She'd been a high school science teacher for eight years. She wanted to move into corporate learning and development. Her first resume got zero callbacks because it led with 'teacher' — that label triggered a mental box. Luna: So what did she change? Lucas: She rewrote her resume around functions. Instead of 'Taught AP Biology to 120 students,' she wrote 'Designed and delivered a nine-month curriculum to 120 learners, adapted content for different learning styles, and assessed comprehension through data-driven testing.' She reframed classroom management as stakeholder management — parents, administrators, students — and parent-teacher conferences as quarterly performance reviews. Luna: And that worked? Lucas: She got interviews at three companies within two weeks. One hiring manager told her, 'Your resume doesn't look like a teacher's resume — it looks like a trainer's resume that happens to have been in a school.' That's the proxy working. Luna: So the trick is to decouple the skill from the setting. The skill itself — curriculum design, stakeholder communication, data analysis — is portable. The setting is just the container. Lucas: Exactly. And this is where most people stumble. They describe their job duties, not the underlying skills. A retail manager might say 'supervised a team of 15.' But the skill proxy is 'managed scheduling, performance feedback, and conflict resolution for a team of 15 in a high-volume environment.' Now you're talking about team management, not retail. Luna: I've also seen people go too far in the other direction — they stretch the proxy so thin it becomes unbelievable. Like saying 'I planned a birthday party, so I'm basically an event planner for corporate conferences.' Lucas: That's a great point. A good proxy has structural similarity. Planning a birthday party for 15 people doesn't involve vendor contracts, risk management, or budgets of fifty thousand dollars. But if you organized a school fundraiser that raised thirty thousand dollars, with a team of volunteers, a venue, and a timeline — that's a legitimate proxy for event coordination. Luna: So the bar is: can you describe the proxy in the same language the industry uses? If you can't, it's probably not strong enough. Lucas: Yes. And the best proxies are ones where you can point to a measurable outcome. 'Increased student test scores by 15 percent' maps directly to 'improved trainee performance metrics.' 'Reduced inventory shrinkage by 10 percent' maps to 'operational efficiency gains.' Numbers translate across industries. Luna: So if someone is listening and thinking 'I want to switch careers but I don't have the direct experience,' what's your one-piece of advice? Lucas: Start by listing every project or responsibility you've had, regardless of context. Then strip away the industry-specific language and ask: what is the core skill here? Is it negotiation? Data analysis? People management? Curriculum design? Once you have that list, find three job descriptions for your target role and see which of your skills they value most. That's your proxy shortlist. Lucas: And if you want to test whether your proxy is landing, try it on a friend who works in that industry. Ask them: 'If I said I did this, would you believe I could do that?' Their reaction will tell you everything. Luna: Also, don't forget that hiring managers are humans. They've made career switches themselves. Most of them will respect a well-framed proxy more than a boringly perfect resume. It shows resourcefulness. Lucas: That's a great point. And if you're listening and you've found these career conversations useful — maybe you've used a proxy yourself, or you're thinking about how to frame your own experience — we want to keep this show ad-free and accessible. If you feel like supporting what we do, you can buy us a coffee at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It genuinely helps us keep the lights on. Luna: And we really appreciate it. Okay, back to proxies — one more thing I want to add. When you're in an interview and you use a proxy, don't just state it. Walk them through the parallel. Say 'I know this was in a school, but here's why the underlying skill is the same.' Make the connection explicit. Lucas: Yes. Explicit bridging. The hiring manager shouldn't have to connect the dots — you hand them a highlighter. So you'd say: 'In my teaching role, I managed 30 concurrent projects — each student's learning plan was a project with milestones, deliverables, and regular check-ins. That's essentially what a project manager does, just with different outputs.' Luna: That's a perfect example. It shows self-awareness and confidence without arrogance. Lucas: And that's the real power of skill proxies. They let you own your narrative. You're not apologizing for your background — you're reframing it as an asset. The teacher who trained students is now the trainer who develops employees. The retail manager who moved inventory is now the supply chain coordinator who optimized flow. Same skills, new context. Luna: I think the biggest mental shift is stop thinking of your career as a ladder and start thinking of it as a lattice. Your skills can move sideways, not just up. Lucas: That's a great way to put it. So next time you look at a job description and feel that pang of 'I don't have the experience,' ask yourself: do I have a proxy for that? Chances are, you do. You just haven't named it yet.