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DIDDY’S FOUL FETISH: 'YOU NEED TO GLISTEN'; CASSIE RELIVES HUMILIATING SEX ACTS WITH STRANGERS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: You need to glisten what you need to glisten?
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Speaker 1: According to Sean Crimes, what does that mean?
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Speaker 2: Pregnant mom Cassie Ventirol on the stand under oath, reliving
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Speaker 2: humiliating sex acts she was forced.
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Speaker 1: To perform with strangers on video.
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Speaker 2: It's all about Ditty's foul fetish. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us. We are live at the courthouse going straight
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Speaker 2: out to Lauren Conlin, investigative reporter host of Pop Crime TV.
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Speaker 1: Lauren, thank you for being with us. What's happening in
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Speaker 1: court today?
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Speaker 3: We are learning about what a vile human Diddy is.
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Speaker 4: As if we didn't already know.
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Speaker 3: Cassie is still on the stand, and we are actually
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Speaker 3: seeing never before seen photographs of black eyes fatless. We
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Speaker 3: actually saw a photo of her eyebrow after she told
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Speaker 3: us that when she was sleeping one night, Diddy came
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Speaker 3: in and just attacked her and her friends and threw
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Speaker 3: her against a bed, the corner of a bed where
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Speaker 3: she split her eyebrow open. And that's not all, Nancy.
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Speaker 3: We are learning that Cassie experienced mouthswords during these freakoffs,
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Speaker 3: many utiys, and she sat up there on the stand
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Speaker 3: and told us that she was expected to go through
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Speaker 3: with these freakoffs while she had these beaut eyes. I mean,
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Speaker 3: is it is heartbreaking and just painful to listen to.
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Speaker 2: What does she say? How does she respond? What is
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Speaker 2: her demeanor?
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Speaker 3: I mean she says over and over here Nancy, how
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Speaker 3: young she was, and how regretful she is, and what
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Speaker 3: she could have said at the time, but she was
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Speaker 3: so young that she didn't know how to verbalize it.
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Speaker 3: She did break down on the stand a few times.
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Speaker 3: Day two, Day three, we aren't seeing her as emotional.
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Speaker 3: She appears to be very strong, but again she is saying,
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Speaker 3: over and over, I wish I never did this. I
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Speaker 3: wish I did things differently. She's incredibly strong. I mean,
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Speaker 3: think about it. She is up there, eight months pregnant,
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Speaker 3: with two toddlers at home, having to relive the most
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Speaker 3: humiliating and terrifying time of her life. And Nancy, I mean,
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Speaker 3: what Cassie van Tura went through. I want justice for Cassie.
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Speaker 3: Here I will say it. I want justice for Cassie.
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Speaker 3: She is truly heroic, and I mean she is you
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Speaker 3: can tell she's a little uncomfortable, of course physically and
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Speaker 3: of course emotionally, but she's not holding back.
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Speaker 5: I mean.
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Speaker 3: There was another instance that she spoke about where she
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Speaker 3: appeared to take too much GHB. She described going into
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Speaker 3: a g hole. This is before a freak off, and
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Speaker 3: she described waking up nude in the shower with Diddy
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Speaker 3: and another escort hovering over her, freaking out. She kind
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Speaker 3: of comes to and I'm thinking, Okay, they're going to
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Speaker 3: take her to a hospital at this point.
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Speaker 4: Nope. Jeddy says, you're ready for the freak off.
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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, So a lot to take here in Lauren
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Speaker 2: Colin has been in the court of the entire day
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Speaker 2: and is telling us what the jury is hearing from
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Speaker 2: the witness stand. You stated that Cassie Ventira described earlier
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Speaker 2: today being in a g hole that's from GHB, gemma
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Speaker 2: hyjoxy buteray, which is a date rape drug, completely passed
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Speaker 2: out and as soon as she comes to naked in
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Speaker 2: a shower, Sean com says, okay, let's go. She also
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Speaker 2: described being forced to perform in free coughs when she
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Speaker 2: was on her period and she didn't want to, but
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Speaker 2: she did. She also described Lauren Conlin, where she would
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Speaker 2: basically have to drug herself to get through yet another freak.
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Speaker 1: Cough Lauren Conlin.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I mean she really seemed to live a
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Speaker 3: very existence for eleven years of her life, and I
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Speaker 3: think many of us watching here all feel the same way.
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Speaker 4: I mean, justice for Cassie Nancy.
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Speaker 3: She also described a time in con where she was
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Speaker 3: at the Con Film Festival and she was staying on
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Speaker 3: a boat with Sean Holmes and he got upset with
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Speaker 3: her that morning. He kicks her off a boat without
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Speaker 3: her shoes, without her passport, anything. She has to walk
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Speaker 3: over to the staff hotel and she doesn't see him
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Speaker 3: until learn it later that evening, and then we're shown
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Speaker 3: a picture of her on the red carpet looking glam
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Speaker 3: at the Con Film Festival. She described that she has
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Speaker 3: some bruises covered up with makeup, and she sits through
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Speaker 3: this premiere with Sean where he is squeezing her leg
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Speaker 3: as hard as he can while she's wearing this beat
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Speaker 3: a dress. She gets on a plane, she tries not
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Speaker 3: to sit next to him.
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Speaker 4: He switches seats.
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Speaker 3: With somebody in order to sit with her, and then
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Speaker 3: during that slight Nancy, he proceeds to torment her by
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Speaker 3: showing her freak off videos and threatening her. Okay, and
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Speaker 3: there are other people around, and then they land in
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Speaker 3: New York City and then they go to dinner and
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Speaker 3: she says after that, I was expected to do a
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Speaker 3: freak off and my stomach is I mean, my stomach
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Speaker 3: is turning.
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Speaker 2: We are live at the courthouse and now also joining
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Speaker 2: as Sydney Sumner crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter. The evidence
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Speaker 2: has been pouring from the witness stand all day. There
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Speaker 2: were thoughts so that we would get to cassievterior cross examination.
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Speaker 2: Her direct examination is a bomb in that courtroom, Sydney Sumner.
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Speaker 2: What else is happening in the courtroom?
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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy. In addition to what Lauren told us, we've
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Speaker 5: also heard about an instance of abuse in twenty thirteen,
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Speaker 5: when Combs attacked Cassie in her own apartment while her
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Speaker 5: friends were there. Her friends moved to protect her, jumped
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Speaker 5: on Comb's back, but at one point Comb's through passy
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Speaker 5: into the side of her bed, causing a gash in
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Speaker 5: her eyebrow. Combs how to security guards take Kathy to
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Speaker 5: go get the wound closed by a plastic surgeon. And
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Speaker 5: she sent him a photo of that injury afterwards, saying,
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Speaker 5: here's the picture so you can remember what you did
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Speaker 5: to me. And Comb's response was, you don't know when
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Speaker 5: to stop. You have pushed it too far and continue
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Speaker 5: to push bad.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true?
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Speaker 2: Sydney Sumner that after that incident, the friendship between Cassie
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Speaker 2: Ventura and the friend dwindled away because of Seawan Coins.
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Speaker 5: Yes, Cassy talks about how isolating this romantic relationship with
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Speaker 5: Colb's was because all of her friends couldn't stand to
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Speaker 5: watch her stay with him and watch the continued physical
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Speaker 5: abuse psychological abuse against someone they care. She wouldn't leave
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Speaker 5: him because she loved him so much, and her friends
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Speaker 5: just they couldn't stay around and.
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Speaker 2: Watch baby oil, Baby oil? Will we never hear the
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Speaker 2: end of baby oil? In the courtroom is being pervasive
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Speaker 2: today as well, Lauren Colin.
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Speaker 4: It's getting crazy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the talk of baby oil, and I'm not
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Speaker 3: even trying to be funny.
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Speaker 4: The talk of baby oil got.
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Speaker 3: To a point where they had to have a sidebar,
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Speaker 3: Thank goodness. Tenny Garrigos objected because at one point Emily
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Speaker 3: Johnson doing a great job as the prosecutor. She's questioning
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Speaker 3: Cassie and she probably questioned her for about ten minutes
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Speaker 3: about baby oil, and it got to the point where
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Speaker 3: Cassie had to tell us that she hum pms Sean
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Speaker 3: Colmes made her get into a blow up pool of
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Speaker 3: baby oil and astroglide with all of her clothes on,
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Speaker 3: and then we had to hear about how many bottles
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Speaker 3: of baby oil they went through during a freak off,
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Speaker 3: which by the way, was ten, and she described they
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Speaker 3: were the big size bottles.
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Speaker 4: I mean, there's so much more.
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Speaker 3: I didn't bring my notepad out, but I mean a
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Speaker 3: lot of us are wondering, what does this have to
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Speaker 3: do with anything? Are they just trying to corroborate the
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Speaker 3: freak offs when other witnesses come on the stand and
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Speaker 3: talk about this baby oil and astroglide. It's really really strange.
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Speaker 3: But I am I'm wondering when we are going to
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Speaker 3: hear more about his criminal enterprise, about the sex trafficking,
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Speaker 3: the transportation across state lines, because right now Cassie is
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Speaker 3: giving really really tragic testimony and I feel awful for her.
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Speaker 4: This is horrible, but it definitely is.
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Speaker 3: It's seeming to me so far again, so far, it's
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Speaker 3: just seeming like it is a lot of domestic violence,
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Speaker 3: a lot of assaults and awfulness.
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Speaker 4: I mean, he treated.
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Speaker 1: Her horribly, horribly, horribly.
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Speaker 4: He's a vile man.
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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to figure out when we're going to
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Speaker 3: start really getting into these charges. I mean, right now,
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Speaker 3: I'm in the overflow room, and people in the overflow
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Speaker 3: room are kind of like, what's what's going on?
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Speaker 4: What are we what are we listening to?
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Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean at another point, she asked, Cassie,
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Speaker 3: you know, why did you continue to participate in these
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Speaker 3: freak offs or why did you say yes to a
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Speaker 3: freak off?
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Speaker 4: And Cassie actually, under.
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Speaker 3: Her breath, was like, good question, but she broke down
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Speaker 3: crying on the stands and it was awful.
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Speaker 4: It was so awful.
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Speaker 3: She you know, she just talked about how much she
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Speaker 3: loved Sean Colmes and how you know, she did these
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Speaker 3: freak offs so she could be with him, and that
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Speaker 3: is just really sad.
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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate your perspective, but let's go to trial
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Speaker 2: lawyer Nima Romani joining us out of LA former federal
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Speaker 2: prosecutor turned trial lawyer, president of West Coast Trial lawyers
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Speaker 2: and author of Harvard to hashtag nima what a layperson sees.
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Speaker 2: They don't understand necessarily that what is happening right now
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Speaker 2: is proving sex trafficking and rico. Normally we see which
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Speaker 2: are the most serious charges that comes is facing rico,
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Speaker 2: which is racketeering. We normally see that apply to the mob, right,
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Speaker 2: a criminal enterprise like they have a vast criminal enterprise
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Speaker 2: involving stolen goods, prostitution, counterfeit, money laundering, even murder, and
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Speaker 2: there are many.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've all.
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Speaker 2: Seen Sopranos, right, that was a criminal enterprise for more
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Speaker 2: than one person, multiple people work to advance. Let's just
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Speaker 2: pretend Tony Sopranos criminal enterprise, right, He was the boss,
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Speaker 2: it was his enterprise, and all those people worked for him.
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Speaker 2: So what we're hearing, I know we've said in a
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Speaker 2: million times baby oil really baby oil to be used
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Speaker 2: in an illegal act, which is flying in escorts male
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Speaker 2: and female from other cities, buzzword flying, interstate commerce, using texts,
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Speaker 2: using online to find the escorts, wired transmission.
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Speaker 1: See where I'm going with this.
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Speaker 2: Who went to get the baby oil, who paid for it?
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Speaker 2: Who paid the sex workers? Who set up the scene
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Speaker 2: for illegal freak offs. All of thats prostitution equals moving
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Speaker 2: people across state lines for purposes of prostitution. That is
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Speaker 2: a criminal enterprise. That's the point that jury may not.
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Speaker 1: Be getting it yet.
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Speaker 2: But when Emily Johnson explains what the law is and says,
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Speaker 2: this is transporting across state lines. This person worked for
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Speaker 2: Seawan Combs. This person paid the sex workers, this person.
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Speaker 1: Bought the baby old.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what did Shaun Holmes get a blow up
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Speaker 2: pool himself and blow it up, impouring heated baby oil?
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Speaker 2: Hgl n O. He pays somebody to do that? Hints
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Speaker 2: criminal enterprise.
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Speaker 1: You explain it.
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Speaker 6: Nancy, You're absolutely right. And as prosecutors, former prosecutors, we
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Speaker 6: know these are the elements of the crime. Let's just
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Speaker 6: go through them. Sex trafficking. You need that force, fraud
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Speaker 6: or coercion, the force right beating Cassie, throwing her against
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Speaker 6: the bed, that gash. We're gonna have independent witnesses, the
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Speaker 6: plastic surgeon, members of his security team. They are going
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Speaker 6: to testify to that the coersion givings drugs.
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Speaker 1: I just heard you say, plastic surgeon.
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Speaker 6: What the plastic surgeon that Cassie went to see to
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Speaker 6: fix the gash in her eye. There's gonna be medical records, Nancy,
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Speaker 6: independent evidence to support her allegations. That's what you want
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Speaker 6: if you're the government. Let's talk about the coorden.
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Speaker 2: When you hear Lauren Colin talking name of Ramani, when
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Speaker 2: you hear her talk to you like I'm sick baby oil,
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Speaker 2: We're all looking at each other thinking, where are we
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Speaker 2: really going to hear the evidence about sex trafficking. You
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Speaker 2: are hearing it right now, Break it down, Nima.
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Speaker 1: This is it. This is sex trafficking.
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Speaker 6: You give someone drugs so much that they throw up,
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Speaker 6: and they're forced to perform sex over a matter of days,
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Speaker 6: sometimes up to four days.
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Speaker 1: That is coercion.
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Speaker 7: Lauren, and I love Lauren.
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Speaker 6: You urinate in someone's mouth, that is coercion. You force
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Speaker 6: someone to have sex on her period when she's bleeding
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Speaker 6: all over the bed sheet, that is coercion. It's not
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Speaker 6: just about the baby oil. It's not just about the vomit.
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Speaker 6: It's not just about the urine and the blood. No
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Speaker 6: human being could consent to this. The defensive argument is consent.
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Speaker 6: This is what the government is proving.
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Speaker 1: And like you so wait a minute, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: Nama Romani. When you say and I don't want to
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Speaker 1: go too, have come for on the law here.
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Speaker 2: But when you say sex with Cassie Ventira without her consent,
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Speaker 2: that's rape. But I'm not proving a rape case right now.
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about the state proving reco a criminal conspiracy,
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Speaker 2: a criminal enterprise and what the jury.
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Speaker 1: Is hearing right now. As a matter of fact, Sidney.
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Speaker 2: Sumner, it's so upsetting what they're seeing these videos that
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Speaker 2: they've had to put up privacy monitors in the last
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Speaker 2: hours in court so everybody doesn't see the videos that
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Speaker 2: the jury is seeing.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that true, Sydney.
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Speaker 5: That is true, Nancy. We expect the prosecutors to play
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Speaker 5: some of these freak off tapes for the jury in
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Speaker 5: the next hours. They already tried to play them, but
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Speaker 5: there were some technical difficulties, so they decided to try
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Speaker 5: and work on those and continue with a different line
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Speaker 5: of questioning. So videos we're going to come up and
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Speaker 5: court very very soon. We see that reporters are scrambling
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Speaker 5: to actually get a seat in the courtroom instead of
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Speaker 5: the overflow rooms so they can watch the jury as
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Speaker 5: these videos are played.
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Speaker 2: The goal trying to use the Bible, the Holy Bible,
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Speaker 2: as a prop There was only.
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Speaker 4: One God in Diddy's world, and that.
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Speaker 5: Was even Satan quoted scripture in the Bible, and at
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Speaker 5: the end of the day, he was still the devil.
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Speaker 2: Cassievententira, still on the witness stand. At the end of
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Speaker 2: the day, the testimony and video so upsetting that privacy
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Speaker 2: monitors have been put up to shield cameras and journalists
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Speaker 2: everyone out of the audience from seeing what the jury
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Speaker 2: is seeing. Okay, joining me at the courthouse is Lauren Conlin,
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Speaker 2: also with us on the trial from the get go,
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Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner, Nima. What I'm trying to tell you is
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Speaker 2: that while Lauren Conlin points out that everybody in the
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Speaker 2: overflow room, while the journalists are saying, well, when are
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Speaker 2: we going to be done with baby oil? When are
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Speaker 2: we going to talk about sex trafficking, We're talking about
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Speaker 2: sex trafficking right now. Cassie Ventira doesn't have to say
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Speaker 2: people were sex trafficked, there was a conspiracy. This is
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Speaker 2: a reco case. We don't expect that. We expect the
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Speaker 2: prosecutor to take the evidence from the witness stand, explain
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Speaker 2: the law to the jury and explain why what they're
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Speaker 2: hearing if they believe Cassie Ventira equals sex trafficking and
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Speaker 2: racketeering charges.
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Speaker 1: Okay, listen to this.
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Speaker 8: Cassie says Combs wanted her glistening at all times and
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Speaker 8: had her reapply heated baby oil as often as every
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Speaker 8: five minutes, and during one performance, even made her get
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Speaker 8: into a kiddie.
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Speaker 1: Pool of baby oil.
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Speaker 8: Afterwards, staff member were charged with cleaning up but with
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Speaker 8: baby oil and bodily fluids all over the floors, walls,
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Speaker 8: and door handles. Cole's was frequently charged for damages to
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Speaker 8: hotel rooms, negotiations handled by Combe's assistance.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know I want to fight with Nimo Romani
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Speaker 2: right now about six trafficking, but I can't ignore that
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us.
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Speaker 1: Are now psychoanalysts.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what you're smiling about, Romani, but that's
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Speaker 2: a whole other can of worms. Doctor Marshall a psychoanalyst
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Speaker 2: out of LA, author of deal Breaker. You can see
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Speaker 2: her now on Peacock and find her at doctor Bethany
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Speaker 2: Marshall dot com. Dr Bethany just forcing Cassie Ventira to
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Speaker 2: engage in freak offfs during her period, forcing her out
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Speaker 2: of a shower where she's having cold water sprayed on
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Speaker 2: her after going down a g hole from GHB.
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Speaker 1: And saying, Okay, you're ready, get back in there.
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Speaker 2: It's like putting a boxer who's bleeding from the face
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Speaker 2: and all two big black eyes cut open and.
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Speaker 1: Put back in the ring.
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Speaker 2: Now we hear about a kiddie pool, a blown up
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Speaker 2: kittie pool full of warm baby oil.
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Speaker 1: That Cassiyeventier had to get into.
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Speaker 2: What woman on this jury is going to think any
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Speaker 2: of that is consensual.
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Speaker 1: It's not consensual, Nancy.
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Speaker 9: And what you're pointing out is correct is that this
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Speaker 9: is not simply just a domestic violence case.
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Speaker 4: Two people who are.
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Speaker 9: Romantically connected, yet there maybe one partner gets jealous or possessive.
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Speaker 1: He is sex trafficking her. He takes away her shoes, takes.
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Speaker 9: Away her purse, uses threats and intimidation to have control
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Speaker 9: over her. This is absolutely sex trafficking. In terms of
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Speaker 9: that baby oil, I think it's fascinating. If he can
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Speaker 9: only achieve arousal and ejaculate when looking at somebody with
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Speaker 9: baby oil on, then that technically would fit under the
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Speaker 9: category of a perversion, but I think he has multiple perversions.
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Speaker 9: What I really think is going on is that somehow
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Speaker 9: baby oil has become a associated with experiences of arousal,
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Speaker 9: which made me wonder, like, what were his early experiences
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Speaker 9: in life? I mean, how long has he been using
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Speaker 9: baby oil? Was baby ole used as a part of
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Speaker 9: a masturbatory ritual starting when he.
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Speaker 4: Was really young?
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Speaker 9: Did his mother use baby oil when he was an
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Speaker 9: infant and somehow that got eroticized or sexualized? I mean,
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Speaker 9: this is so fascinating to me as a clinician because
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Speaker 9: there's all kinds of meanings underneath this.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad you're the shrink and not me,
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Speaker 2: because I'm not really fascinated by a woman on her
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Speaker 2: period being forced to engage in a freak off with
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Speaker 2: a group of sex partners, male escorts that have been
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Speaker 2: flown in from out of state. I'm not really fascinating
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Speaker 2: with that, But I do I do want justice.
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Speaker 1: This is like.
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Speaker 2: A cornucopia. It's a Freudian freak show. I don't even
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Speaker 2: know what all of this means. And you know what,
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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany, no offense to you, but I don't care
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Speaker 2: what it means psychologically, I care if I or the
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Speaker 2: prosecutor can prove the case. And what Cassie Venturi's testimony
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Speaker 2: proves sex trafficking and rico. That's racketeering charges usually reserved
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Speaker 2: for the mob.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so how are they going to prove it? Listen?
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Speaker 10: Prosecutor Emily Johnson briefly pauses Cassie's narrative testimony to make
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Speaker 10: a point. Whose decision was it to have freak offs?
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Speaker 10: Whose decision was it to involve baby oil? Whose decision
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Speaker 10: was it to use male sex workers? Whose decision was
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Speaker 10: it to pour hot wax on your body? Cassie's answer
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Speaker 10: remained the same Shawn's.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 10: Prosecutor Emily Johnson briefly pauses Cassie's narrative testimony to make
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Speaker 10: a point. Whose decision was it to have freakoffs? Whose
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Speaker 10: decision was it to involve baby oil? Whose decision was
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Speaker 10: it to use male sex workers? Whose decision was it
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Speaker 10: to pour hot wax on your body? Cassie's answer remained
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Speaker 10: the same Shawn's.
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Speaker 2: That is pointing to name Romani the head of the organization.
21:26
Speaker 2: If Sean Holmes is only convicted of a rape. That's
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Speaker 2: going to be a cake walk for him. He'll get that,
21:34
Speaker 2: He'll get at least two thirds of his time knocked off.
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Speaker 1: He'll be out in five years.
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Speaker 2: Okay, the fans want the prize of racketeering and sex
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Speaker 2: trafficking listen.
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Speaker 8: Cassie mentioned staff would set up Comb's hotel rooms for freakoffs,
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Speaker 8: prepping rooms with baby oil lighting, and other requests, specifically
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Speaker 8: in security guards, Roger Bond's uncle, Polly Fahim Malik, and
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Speaker 8: d Rock being sent to track her down or ordered
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Speaker 8: to take her belongings. Cassie also says bad Boy exec
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Speaker 8: Tony Fletcher handled her finances for several years and Christina
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Speaker 8: Korum discussed many personal details with her.
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Speaker 1: Tom Smith is joining me.
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Speaker 2: Former NYPD detective thirty years in narcotics robbery gang, also
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Speaker 2: with the FBI NYPD Joint Terrorism Task Force. He is
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Speaker 2: the co host of Gold Shiels podcast. Tom, thank you
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Speaker 2: for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Okay, did you.
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Speaker 2: Hear all those people that are helping Shawn Combs affect
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Speaker 2: the freak coughs from buying baby oil lighting, prepping the rooms,
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Speaker 2: security guards, Roger Bond's uncle, Polly Fareim Malik, d Rock
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Speaker 2: sent to track down Cassie Ventura, take her belongings if
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Speaker 2: she doesn't show up to a freak cough. You've got
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Speaker 2: someone handling her finances for Shawn Combs, and you have
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Speaker 2: the hits person, Christina Korum, who denies any involvement, also
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Speaker 2: in the mix. All right, that's what we call Tom
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Speaker 2: Smith co conspirators explain.
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Speaker 11: Yes, And you're exactly right. And when you begin any investigation,
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Speaker 11: especially this one, Nancy, who's the boss? That is what
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Speaker 11: every detective and every prosecutor is going to look at
23:21
Speaker 11: when you're dealing with a rico case. Who is dictating,
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Speaker 11: who does what, Who's orchestrating it, Who's coordinating these sex
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Speaker 11: trafficking acts that are going on, the freaks off and everything.
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Speaker 11: That's what is important here, and that's what's going to
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Speaker 11: come out in a trial. It's just a build up.
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Speaker 11: It's like building a house the couple of first days
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Speaker 11: of the other foundation, and then it's going to go
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Speaker 11: and all this is going to be laid out in
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Speaker 11: court about Sean Comb's coordinating every single thing that happened
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Speaker 11: with these people, with these acts.
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Speaker 10: Prosecutor Emily Johnson briefly pauses Cassie's narrative testimony to make
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Speaker 10: a point. Whose decision was it to have freak offs,
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Speaker 10: Whose decision was it to involve baby oil, Whose decision
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Speaker 10: was it to use male sex workers? Whose decision was
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Speaker 10: it to pour hot wax on your body? Gussie's answers
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Speaker 10: remained the same Shawn's.
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Speaker 2: We are live at the Federal Courthouse in Manhattan, Shaan
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Speaker 2: Comb's aka Puffy aka Puff aka puff Daddy aka Love
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Speaker 2: aka Diddy, and the list goes on on trial in
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Speaker 2: the multi count federal indictment, including some of the most
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Speaker 2: serious charges that can be leveled by the federal government,
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Speaker 2: including racketeering, rico rco transportation to engage in prostitution, to
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Speaker 2: count sex trafficking. We are learning from Cassie Ventura's testimony
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Speaker 2: throughout the day that comes would become volatile angry when
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Speaker 2: she would be drugged.
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Speaker 1: In order to perform the freak offs.
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Speaker 2: Joining us live Sidney Sumner, so they explain what Cassie
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Speaker 2: had to say about why she would get numbed on
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Speaker 2: drugs Nancy.
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Speaker 5: Cassy said that she could not get through those freakoffs
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Speaker 5: without being on some kind of drug so that she
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Speaker 5: didn't have to fully understand what was happening around her.
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Speaker 5: Cassie said she used the drugs to associate. Now we
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Speaker 5: know that Cone hated this, evidenced by text messages in
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Speaker 5: between the couple. Loones told her that he wanted to
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Speaker 5: do freak offs without the tetanine. Cassy said that was
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Speaker 5: almost her drug of choice almost every time, because she
25:37
Speaker 5: said it was the most dissociative of the things that
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Speaker 5: she took, but she also mentioned things like marijuana, mushrooms,
25:44
Speaker 5: and more. Opioids were another big choice. Ventura says she
25:47
Speaker 5: was almost addicted to opioids because of how frequently she
25:51
Speaker 5: used them to get through these freakoffs. But we see
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Speaker 5: text messages between them with Comb's berating Cassie for using
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Speaker 5: drugs during the breakoffs. He said, they don't count if
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Speaker 5: she doesn't remember them.
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Speaker 2: Oh my stars, so the free counts. The freak coffs
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Speaker 2: don't count if she doesn't remember them. Sidney Sumner, didn't
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Speaker 2: we hear Cassie earlier today state that she had so
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Speaker 2: many urinary tract infections from the freak coughs that she
26:20
Speaker 2: had to get super powerful antibiotics because the regular antibiotics
26:27
Speaker 2: for UTIs no longer worked for her.
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Speaker 5: Yes, we heard that from Cassie as well. She said
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Speaker 5: that the UTIs were frequent and she was forced to
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Speaker 5: perform in the freak offs anyway. She said it was
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Speaker 5: incredibly painful and just continued to make the UTI the
26:44
Speaker 5: infection even worse. She says that the usual antibiotic prescribed
26:49
Speaker 5: for UTI patients stopped working for her. She became resistant
26:53
Speaker 5: to that antibiotic and had to be moved onto stronger
26:56
Speaker 5: and stronger drugs.
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Speaker 2: The testimony gut wrenching and emotional, and at one point
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Speaker 2: earlier today, Ventura is shown a series of photos. Now,
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Speaker 2: as odious as the photos may be, the point of
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Speaker 2: the photos is to show legally that this is a
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Speaker 2: criminal enterprise. It's not just Sean Comb's raping or sodomizing
27:22
Speaker 2: or directing someone else to rape or sodomize Cassie Ventura.
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Speaker 1: There are other people involved.
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Speaker 2: Why is that significant that is required to prove a
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Speaker 2: RICO case? To Lauren Colin, I understand you're not happy
27:38
Speaker 2: with all the baby oil testimony, but what more can
27:41
Speaker 2: you tell me about Cassie Ventura's testimony on the stand.
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Speaker 1: Before you answer that question, I want you to hear this.
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Speaker 8: She was tasked with finding escorts for the freak offs,
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Speaker 8: but Combs always demanded to approve them. She typically handed
27:55
Speaker 8: the escorts their cash, but the money came from Colmbs.
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Speaker 8: The cash and delivered by staff members. Combs always double checked,
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Speaker 8: but Cassie had verified the escorts weren't undercover cops, and
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Speaker 8: that's when it hit her that the situation was not legal.
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Speaker 12: Mail escorts she procured online participated in frea co coffs
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Speaker 12: in several states. The company travel agents arrange flights and transportation.
28:17
Speaker 12: Cassie says she would tell the travel agent she needed
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Speaker 12: to arrange a new employees transportation to avoid too many questions.
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Speaker 2: Calling the sex workers new employees to avoid the appearance
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Speaker 2: of impropriety. Obviously illegal to transport sex workers across state
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Speaker 2: lines for the purposes of prostitution. These people were paid
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Speaker 2: to have sex paid by Sean Combs.
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Speaker 1: The key words in her.
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Speaker 2: Testimony online, which is wire transactions, which is federal offense
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Speaker 2: of its illegal, participated in FREA coffs in multiple states.
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Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura became concerned that what was happening was ill legal.
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Speaker 2: Back to you, Lauren Colin, now that you've heard that,
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Speaker 2: I want to point out that the different escorts were
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Speaker 2: in the photos that Cassie was shown today, what we.
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Speaker 3: Saw from Cassie on the stand was so emotional and
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Speaker 3: also so eye opening. Cassie was shown multiple photos of
29:23
Speaker 3: different esports that she and Diddy allegedly used in their freakoffs,
29:28
Speaker 3: and Cassie had to identify them by name and then
29:32
Speaker 3: speak about how these escorts traveled with she and Ditty
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Speaker 3: for freakoffs to different.
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Speaker 2: Locations, different locations, hiring escorts from other state, even booking travel,
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Speaker 2: Is that right, Lauren commin Now?
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Speaker 3: She went through who arranged what travel and she actually
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Speaker 3: mentioned that at one point a travel agent booked the
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Speaker 3: travel of an esport and they told the travel agent
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Speaker 3: that this escort was an employee of Didi, so they
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Speaker 3: wouldn't ask questions.
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Speaker 1: To Nima Romani.
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Speaker 2: The buzzwords that are going to be reiterated to the
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Speaker 2: jury and closing arguments across state lines online, paying them,
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Speaker 2: you're orchestrating a criminal enterprise, because see that's what Giara
30:23
Speaker 2: Ghos has been screaming from the get go. Yes he's
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Speaker 2: a bad boyfriend, Yes he may have coerced Cassie Ventira
30:32
Speaker 2: into sex, translation rape, but that does not make a
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Speaker 2: sex trafficking case.
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Speaker 1: Okay, another chance to Nima Romani.
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Speaker 2: What are they doing with Cassie's testimony here?
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Speaker 6: Well, when it comes to Rico, we're talking about a
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Speaker 6: criminal enterprise, and that has to be a loose association
30:52
Speaker 6: of two or more people. Doesn't have to be the mob,
30:55
Speaker 6: doesn't have to be the cartel, doesn't have to be
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Speaker 6: a street game.
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Speaker 4: We saw it in the r Kelly case.
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Speaker 6: It is entourage is enough, and then you need those
31:03
Speaker 6: two or more reco predicated acts assault. Right, it's not
31:08
Speaker 6: a federal offense, but it's a reco predicated act.
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Speaker 2: Can I please, can I plase state that in simple words?
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Speaker 1: You said predicate acts?
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Speaker 2: Okay, it can't just be people paling around, Okay.
31:22
Speaker 1: There has to be an overt act.
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Speaker 2: There has to be a crime associated with the friendship
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Speaker 2: the criminal enterprise. In this case, the predicate act would
31:33
Speaker 2: be rape or sodomy or paying sex workers. Right, So
31:37
Speaker 2: there's your crime, and then you have to have the
31:40
Speaker 2: association that is.
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Speaker 1: Furthering the crime. Does that make sense to name.
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Speaker 6: Of of course, you need to pattern a racketeering activity,
31:47
Speaker 6: but all that is is two crimes within a ten
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Speaker 6: year period. That's all you need for RICO.
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Speaker 4: And like you said, Nancy, some of these are state.
31:56
Speaker 7: Crimes, but they can become federal crimes if there's an
31:59
Speaker 7: inter state component, so the prostitution across state lines, if
32:03
Speaker 7: there's money involved, that's the commerce clause of the Constitution.
32:07
Speaker 7: So you need a federal hook to make some of
32:10
Speaker 7: these crimes federal crimes. We're obviously in federal court, so
32:15
Speaker 7: when it's the sex trafficking, the prostitution, the RICO, there
32:18
Speaker 7: has to be that federal element.
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Speaker 4: And that's what we're talking about all this.
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Speaker 2: So while a lot of this testimony is graphic and disturbing,
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Speaker 2: For instance, Lauren Collin was just accurately reporting that earlier today,
32:31
Speaker 2: Cassie Ventiro has shown pictures.
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Speaker 1: Of male escorts.
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Speaker 2: Right, we learned from her testimony, and Sidney Sumner correct
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Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. We learned from her testimony that
32:42
Speaker 2: she would be asked to go online find the male escorts.
32:48
Speaker 2: Then she would have to show the photos to Sean Combs.
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Speaker 2: He would actually approve which men were transported to the location.
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Speaker 1: Is that right, Sidney Sumner?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Nancy, that's correct, And.
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Speaker 2: Nima Romani, I keep reiterating this for a reason.
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Speaker 1: Let me see Nima, nima, the state.
33:07
Speaker 2: If they just get a rape conviction, that's a conviction,
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Speaker 2: a titular conviction at best, a nominal conviction. They're going
33:16
Speaker 2: for the prize they want Shawn comes behind.
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Speaker 1: Bars for life.
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Speaker 2: The only way that's going to happen is if they
33:24
Speaker 2: get a conviction on sex trafficking or rico, racketeering, criminal enterprise.
33:32
Speaker 2: They're going for the prize here, and if Cassie is
33:36
Speaker 2: to be believed, and I think she is, they've done it.
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Speaker 1: I believe it.
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Speaker 6: And prostitution, You're right, Nancy, this would be a loss
33:43
Speaker 6: for the government, a pretty tremendous one. The RICO and
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Speaker 6: sex trafficking, those have the serious penalties.
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Speaker 1: Rico is a potential life sentence.
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Speaker 6: Sex trafficking with forced Nancy, that's a fifteen year mandatory minimum.
33:57
Speaker 1: Sentence up to life.
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Speaker 6: That's why you see them focus on those counts and
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Speaker 6: not so much the prostitution. That's just the throw it.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories.
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Speaker 8: With Nancy Grace, his eyes went black and the person
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Speaker 8: that she loved was no longer there. Cassie says afterwards
34:22
Speaker 8: she was still very numb from the drugs but felt
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Speaker 8: dirty and confused. Cassie didn't want to make Combs angry
34:29
Speaker 8: by telling him she didn't like it. The freak offts
34:31
Speaker 8: quickly became a weekly event, with the actual escapade lasting
34:36
Speaker 8: roughly two to three days with no sleep.
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Speaker 10: And the recovery taking just as long. She quickly determined
34:42
Speaker 10: she no longer wanted to participate in the freak offs,
34:45
Speaker 10: especially with how regular they became. But I didn't know
34:48
Speaker 10: how to refuse Colmbs quote. It got to the point
34:51
Speaker 10: where I just didn't feel like I had much of
34:53
Speaker 10: a choice. Didn't really know what no could be or
34:57
Speaker 10: what no could turn into. Bina says she didn't know
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Speaker 10: if Combs would be violent or followed through on threads
35:03
Speaker 10: to release the recordings of the encounters.
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Speaker 1: So far, he's just sounding like a pimp.
35:08
Speaker 2: But when you analyze the testimony, there is sex trafficking.
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Speaker 2: A sex trafficking case, enner Rico case being made.
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Speaker 1: Out joining me now.
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Speaker 2: Rachel Fisher is with US anti trafficking expert featured in
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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two documentary Surviving Sex Trafficking. She is
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Speaker 2: a forensic nurse a sex assault nurse examiner. You can
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Speaker 2: find her at Legal Art inconsult dot Org. Rachel, I
35:37
Speaker 2: was working up to you. You heard about the beatings,
35:42
Speaker 2: you heard about the urinary tract infections, the being forced
35:45
Speaker 2: to perform during her period. But also we learn Rachel,
35:51
Speaker 2: that Cassie testified I think it was right after the
35:57
Speaker 2: lunch break today, but Cassie testified that when she would
36:00
Speaker 2: and pick her phone up, Comes would call over and
36:03
Speaker 2: over and over again. If she still didn't pick up,
36:05
Speaker 2: he would send he has hinch people to get her.
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Speaker 2: He would take away her possessions as punishment, like her car.
36:13
Speaker 2: He would take away her phone, her laptop, and her
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Speaker 2: jewelry until he.
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Speaker 1: Thought she should get them back.
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Speaker 13: Okay, explain this is a very common tactic that traffickers
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Speaker 13: use with their victims in that element of control that
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Speaker 13: force frauden coercion, courasion being making something fair seeming that
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Speaker 13: isn't and using that fear of reputational harm, manipulation, not
36:41
Speaker 13: being able to have access to the phone to call
36:42
Speaker 13: the outside world, using an enforcer another person to be
36:46
Speaker 13: able to hold her accountable. So that's again engaging another
36:50
Speaker 13: person to hold her to it, and then the engaging
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Speaker 13: in commercial sex acts. So the prostitution word has been said,
36:58
Speaker 13: but forcing someone to engage in commercial sex acts as
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Speaker 13: part of that in trafficking and the performing labor for
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Speaker 13: sexual gratification, or perform sex acts for his gratification, her
37:11
Speaker 13: not being able to have a choice in it because
37:14
Speaker 13: she could be hurt by either him or his staff
37:17
Speaker 13: acting in that enterprise. So there was that constant fear,
37:20
Speaker 13: and we see that all the time, is if I
37:23
Speaker 13: don't do this, or if I don't follow his commands,
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Speaker 13: there will be repercussions. As she's talked about all the
37:29
Speaker 13: things that have happened and they're going to happen again,
37:31
Speaker 13: And that's that fear that they constantly live under.
37:35
Speaker 2: And you know, Rachel Fasher, a lot has been May
37:37
Speaker 2: we heard Lauren Collin talking about why do we keep
37:39
Speaker 2: hearing about baby oil? She was directed, you have to
37:43
Speaker 2: be quote glistening, and all of the sex workers, everybody
37:47
Speaker 2: involved in the video Free Cops had to be literally
37:50
Speaker 2: glowing in baby oil. It had to be reapplied over
37:54
Speaker 2: and over and over to the point that the hotel
37:58
Speaker 2: rooms would be damned and Combs would have to pay
38:02
Speaker 2: to get the hotel rooms professionally cleaned and repaired. After
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Speaker 2: free coughs but we also learned Rachel Fisher, I'd like
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Speaker 2: to hear your opinion on this, because this is so serious.
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Speaker 1: That if she did not comply.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he had given her two different places to live.
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Speaker 1: One was in New York and La.
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Speaker 2: She moved there because he wanted her to be close
38:25
Speaker 2: to him, but if she displeased him in anyway, he
38:28
Speaker 2: would take the keys and physically kick her out.
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Speaker 1: And you heard earlier.
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Speaker 2: Being kicked out at the con Film Festival with no shoes,
38:38
Speaker 2: left to wander the streets with no shoes, no id, no.
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Speaker 1: Credit cards, no anything. Explain that interpret that for us.
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Speaker 13: That's that power and control dynamic. That's president domestic violence
38:52
Speaker 13: that we see also in the sex trafficking realm, is
38:55
Speaker 13: they use that power and control over their victims to
38:58
Speaker 13: have them engage in commercial sex acts. That's where we
39:00
Speaker 13: get that trafficking overlap with domestic violence. And you see
39:03
Speaker 13: the passport being withheld, not able to have a place
39:08
Speaker 13: to live, the basic needs. Those are vulnerabilities that they
39:10
Speaker 13: target and so they exploit. Just as he did to her.
39:13
Speaker 13: He exploited those vulnerabilities and used them as that coersion
39:18
Speaker 13: of if you don't do this, these are the repercussions.
39:21
Speaker 13: So that's controlling a person through withholding food, basic necessities,
39:27
Speaker 13: not allowing them to talk to family, using physical harm
39:30
Speaker 13: or restraint against her as the victims.
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Speaker 1: So there was a lot of that present throughout.
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Speaker 2: Sydney Sumner with US Crime Stories, Investigative reporter Cassie Ventira
39:39
Speaker 2: later in the day read a series of texts What
39:43
Speaker 2: was the significance fancy?
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Speaker 5: This stood out to me particularly to just show Combe's
39:49
Speaker 5: cowardice and control over Cathy when she escaped that hotel
39:54
Speaker 5: room on March fifth, twenty sixteen, because she had a
39:58
Speaker 5: movie premiere and she was so worried that Combs would
40:02
Speaker 5: make her face damaged ahead of her movie premiere that
40:07
Speaker 5: she finally decided, you know what, No, I'm not going
40:11
Speaker 5: back in that room. I'm calling security, find leaving. So
40:15
Speaker 5: she manages to escape that hotel room, and Combs sends
40:19
Speaker 5: her text messages over and over begging her to come
40:23
Speaker 5: back because he claims the cops are showing up. He's surrounded. Please,
40:29
Speaker 5: I've got six kids. Don't do this to me. Don't
40:33
Speaker 5: take me down for this. I just I couldn't imagine
40:38
Speaker 5: what was going through her mind reading those text messages
40:41
Speaker 5: after she already denied the security guard's offer to call police.
40:46
Speaker 5: Later that day, a friend didn't consult her before calling police,
40:51
Speaker 5: and when an officer showed up at her door, she
40:53
Speaker 5: refused to cooperate. She was never planning on sending Sean
40:57
Speaker 5: Combs down, but she wanted to look presentable for her
41:01
Speaker 5: movie premiere and he's begging her to come back, asking
41:05
Speaker 5: her to consider his children after he beat her Sydney.
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Speaker 2: When we look at the hotel video from the Intercontinental,
41:16
Speaker 2: there have been a lot of reports of why she's
41:18
Speaker 2: trying to leave. What is her testimony? And this was
41:22
Speaker 2: slowed down and played frame by frame for the jury.
41:25
Speaker 2: Why was she leaving the hotel room?
41:28
Speaker 5: So Cassie says that against her better judgment, she agreed
41:33
Speaker 5: to a freak off on March fifth, at Combe's request,
41:37
Speaker 5: despite the fact that she had her first big movie
41:40
Speaker 5: premiere coming up March seventh. The Perfect Match that she
41:44
Speaker 5: started was premiering and she was walking the red carpet
41:48
Speaker 5: and she didn't want to compromise her appearance. She was
41:51
Speaker 5: worried that during this freak off she would get hit
41:55
Speaker 5: or punched or kicked, and she would have bruises on
41:58
Speaker 5: her face for her premiere. Against her better judgment, she
42:01
Speaker 5: agreed to this freak off, and just a few minutes in,
42:04
Speaker 5: Combs did exactly what she feared. He hit her in
42:07
Speaker 5: the face. She had a bruise forming over her eye,
42:11
Speaker 5: and she said, no, what, No, I'm not doing this.
42:14
Speaker 5: I can't risk this anymore. I have to be able
42:17
Speaker 5: to go to my premiere in two days. So she
42:20
Speaker 5: grabs her belongings while Comb's is in the shower and
42:23
Speaker 5: sneaks out of the room. We watch as she puts
42:26
Speaker 5: her shoes on. She didn't even put shoes on before
42:28
Speaker 5: she left the hotel room because she was trying to
42:30
Speaker 5: get out without alerting Combs. And that's when he touches
42:35
Speaker 5: her in the hallway trying to go down the elevator,
42:37
Speaker 5: tries to drag her back into the room, and she
42:40
Speaker 5: sticks to her guns and she calls security. So that's
42:43
Speaker 5: what Cassy says happened. We haven't seen anything about what
42:47
Speaker 5: the defense is claiming.
42:48
Speaker 2: That video from our friends at CNN. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
42:52
Speaker 2: what Mark Gerrigoes told me. His daughter Tenny is one
42:55
Speaker 2: of the lead councils on Comes's defense Yeah, that wasn't
42:59
Speaker 2: a freak off at all happening in that room.
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Speaker 1: There was an.
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Speaker 2: Argument where Cassie became angry because Comb's got a text
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Speaker 2: from another woman and that's why she was leaving.
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Speaker 1: But that's not what she says, you know, and you
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Speaker 1: know when you know Gara goes.
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Speaker 2: He's so affable and likable, but he has a job,
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Speaker 2: and his job is to get Comb's.
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Speaker 1: Off or whoever his client is at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Those there's highly divergent versions about why she was trying
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Speaker 2: to get away.
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Speaker 9: You know, I think what was really happening Nancy is
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Speaker 9: that she had this premiere coming up, and if he
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Speaker 9: locked her into one of these freak offs, then he
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Speaker 9: could maim.
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Speaker 1: Hurt her, restrain her, control her. He was trying to put.
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Speaker 9: Her in an impaired positions so she couldn't get to
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Speaker 9: the premiere.
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Speaker 1: This is classic. This is sex trafficking.
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Speaker 9: One one separate the victim from anybody who could support them,
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Speaker 9: or anybody they could report the crime to.
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Speaker 2: We wait as just to sunfolds and remember an American hero,
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Speaker 2: Trooper Frankie Williams, New Jersey State Police just thirty one,
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Speaker 2: struck and killed in the line of duty. Leaves behind
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Speaker 2: wife Kimberly, parents Victoria and Robert, American hero trooper Frankie Williams,
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Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,