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INTERVIEW: Christopher Williams On Return To Music, Health Struggles, 'New Jack City,' 'The Book of Akbar'+More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day, a weak.
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  Speaker 2: Breakfast club finish for y'all done morning.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's d j en V just hilarious.
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  Speaker 3: Charlamagne the guy we are the breakfast club. Lawla Ros
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  Speaker 3: is here with us as well. We got a special
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  Speaker 3: guest in the building. Yes, indeed, educated brother from the bank.
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  Speaker 1: I never liked you anyway, Mistopher William.
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  Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad.
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  Speaker 2: I'm another light skinned brother and he is.
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  Speaker 1: To the writing you. He hates on us all day
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  Speaker 1: every day.
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  Speaker 2: I don't hate, but I did cheer with Nino Brown.
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  Speaker 2: He talked me about it.
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  Speaker 1: Reminds me about it all the time. You know, sel
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  Speaker 1: Bay has a difficult job. He got the hottest seat
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  Speaker 1: in America. How you feel, I'm great, I'm super great man.
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  Speaker 1: How you feel everything is good? Man?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think people realize how much your voice defined
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  Speaker 4: an era. You saying like, like, how intentional was your
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  Speaker 4: sound in the New Jack swing movement versus just being
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  Speaker 4: a product.
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  Speaker 2: Of that moment?
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  Speaker 1: It was. It was intentional. I mean, I think we
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  Speaker 1: were just trying at the time to fuse My thing
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  Speaker 1: was so confusing because you know, everybody categorized me with
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  Speaker 1: I'll be sure el the Barge, Chico Shamar, every light
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  Speaker 1: skin dude that I had the voice of, uh perceived
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  Speaker 1: darkston dude. I sounded like Teddy Pendergrass a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: so it was kind of difficult. And I couldn't dance.
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  Speaker 1: I'm from the Bronx. I can't even two step, so
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  Speaker 1: I my rhythm is in other areas and I just
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  Speaker 1: that was the most difficult thing earlier to finding that.
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  Speaker 1: And once we got with Stanley Brown and I was
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  Speaker 1: able to start honing in on exactly what that meant
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  Speaker 1: frequency wise, what it sounded like. We came up with
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  Speaker 1: dreaming and songs like every little thing and that kind
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  Speaker 1: of like set the pace. And then I came home
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  Speaker 1: because first I was signed to a rock label. I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't get signed in New York because alb was so
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  Speaker 1: hot wow. So I had to go to LA because
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  Speaker 1: the similarity was, you know, different, really close, even though
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  Speaker 1: we're really different. And I got a deal on a
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  Speaker 1: rock label with David Geffen. They treated me like Elvis Presley,
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  Speaker 1: but they didn't understand what we make. So I had
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  Speaker 1: to come back home to wrestling. Andre didn't have to,
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  Speaker 1: but Russell Andre would caught me the whole time, and
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  Speaker 1: when I came back home to Uptown and the changes,
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  Speaker 1: that's when I think the real defining happened, because if
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  Speaker 1: you look at the timeline of my record in my
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  Speaker 1: whole career, a lot of it is miscon screwed. Like
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  Speaker 1: every dude on that record, from Tony Dopat to Puff
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  Speaker 1: to DeVante to Vincent Herbert to Corey Rooney, Mark Morales.
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  Speaker 1: Other than Corey and Mark, everybody was basically new and
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  Speaker 1: we knew what they were gonna be, and we made
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  Speaker 1: a record that we thought would compete with records like
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  Speaker 1: My Mama or Keith Sweat's first album, because at that
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  Speaker 1: point those were the those were the marks, like you
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  Speaker 1: need to make a record as hot as that first
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  Speaker 1: Keith Sweat record or Johnny Gills. My my mind and
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  Speaker 1: I thought we did it, but internally there was just
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things going on the Uptown and you know,
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  Speaker 1: russ Andre sow We at the time didn't really after
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  Speaker 1: the project was made, we didn't see eye to eye.
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  Speaker 1: But honestly, our dream was the first guy who saw
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  Speaker 1: me as an executive and that lived shortly. It was
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  Speaker 1: a short lived thing, and then it was time for
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  Speaker 1: me to just move on because I kind of like
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  Speaker 1: at that point, I'm from the Bronx and I'm you know,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about being from a certain environment,
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  Speaker 1: certain circumstances, but I'm really from that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, rest in peace to Andre.
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  Speaker 4: Andre told me a story one time, man, he said,
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  Speaker 4: don't let that light skin in that curly head fool
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  Speaker 4: you with Christopher Williams.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, he said, Christopher Williams was.
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  Speaker 1: I heard your boy tyson on here one day talk.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, damn, he.
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  Speaker 2: Told me a story one time.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what you was upset about, but you
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  Speaker 4: came into the Uptown Records upset and don't I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what you was in there doing, but I know
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  Speaker 4: they called Andrey.
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  Speaker 2: He was on the way to the airport. He said,
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  Speaker 2: we'll call the police.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm gonna tell you the truth. Charlotte
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  Speaker 1: Mayne back then, I think it's one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that I'm on now. You know, we have been taught
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  Speaker 1: to knock each other down. And I love Dre with
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  Speaker 1: all my I love Drea life man, but you know
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  Speaker 1: his brother sometimes we don't get along. I experienced it
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  Speaker 1: up here a lot, and I know you have a
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  Speaker 1: job to do. You're great at well, you guys are
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  Speaker 1: great at what you do, and there's a space for everything.
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  Speaker 1: But at that time, the rubber had hit the road
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  Speaker 1: and it was only my one career, and I didn't
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  Speaker 1: realize how MCA had Andre bent over. For a lack
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  Speaker 1: of better words, so we have to sometimes look at
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  Speaker 1: what somebody else is dealing with with their shoes. But
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  Speaker 1: I was young then and full of gas, and I
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  Speaker 1: didn't I just wanted out, and you know, I basically
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  Speaker 1: shut Uptown down. And basically that resulted in Mary getting free,
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  Speaker 1: Yodasy getting free, and they were able to go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and make oh my god, they were able to go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and make Casey and jojo because you know everybody.
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  Speaker 5: You said, make him free.
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  Speaker 1: What did you mean to shut it down? Well, there
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  Speaker 1: was no more uptown. There was no offices. There was,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there was a paperwork, that bad deal that
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  Speaker 1: Andre had, but there was really no more uptown. The
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  Speaker 1: offices were destroyed. There was no uptown, and I think
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  Speaker 1: people then saw that there was something wrong and I
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  Speaker 1: got all the blame for it. I got crucified for it,
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  Speaker 1: that black ball for it. But for me, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: destroying you know, just I wanted out my deal. So
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  Speaker 1: basically for me at that point, it was like I'm
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  Speaker 1: getting out my deal. I ain't cuter Kente. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know cuter Kentey. There's no cum to Kente in me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a person. I'm not a goone, but I'm a soldier.
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  Speaker 1: I believe in fair play. But I'm at a point
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  Speaker 1: in my life now and this has happened years ago
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  Speaker 1: where I'm about picking my brothers up. Too many We've
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  Speaker 1: been taught to knock each other down. Everybody has a
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  Speaker 1: gift set, so that that's where I'm at now. So
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  Speaker 1: in hindsight, looking back on the Uptown thing, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: open to talking about anything, but I want people to
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  Speaker 1: understand that that whole experience in Uptown was dope. Creatively,
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  Speaker 1: it was a moment in history that's my favorite and
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  Speaker 1: never be created again. Like if we had to just
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  Speaker 1: film the meetings on Wednesday, it's comedy for a century
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  Speaker 1: of comedy, Like those meetings on Wednesday. I was there
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  Speaker 1: when Jimmy Love was yelling at Puff to go get cheesecake,
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  Speaker 1: and that re enacted itself again, and that's no dish
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  Speaker 1: to Puff I'm just saying, I'm me and Heavy D
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  Speaker 1: were like the elder statesman at the label. I was
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  Speaker 1: a free agent who came in. Mary and Jodesy Have
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  Speaker 1: and father were there, and there were other artists there
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  Speaker 1: who had not gotten the light of day at that time,
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  Speaker 1: like Anthony Hamilton, Lord Jamal, Terry Robinson and them who
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  Speaker 1: went on the right, Candy Rain and a bunch of hits.
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  Speaker 1: So just like a long story in Uptown. And to me,
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  Speaker 1: it is the second greatest black label other than Motive.
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  Speaker 1: And the only thing I think I used to call
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  Speaker 1: Andre baby Berry because the only thing I think Dre
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  Speaker 1: was missing was the fortitude to stand up to make
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  Speaker 1: his brand be treated like it should have been treated.
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  Speaker 1: Andre's whole deal was cross collateralized. So that's like you
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  Speaker 1: guys having a show here and it's successful. You know
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  Speaker 1: what your analytics are, and they tell you that your
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  Speaker 1: worth is based upon something going on CBS or something.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, wait a minute, this is iHeart. We have
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  Speaker 1: our own things. So everything was cross collateralized. And that's
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  Speaker 1: when I started reading about the business. Not that I
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  Speaker 1: hadn't of, but I started seeing all the landmines in
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  Speaker 1: this record game. So not that I wanted to step
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  Speaker 1: out and have a long hiatus, but I truthfully never
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  Speaker 1: believed that I was gone, and I always knew my
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  Speaker 1: career would rekindle, like when I saw Charlie Wilson come back.
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  Speaker 1: I had just done to play with Charlie. We was
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  Speaker 1: doing Urban Theater and I think they was paying Charlie
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  Speaker 1: and no dis to Charlie. I think they were paying
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  Speaker 1: him two thousand dollars a week and he had gotten sick.
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  Speaker 1: Same thing happened in the Urban Theater with Allie Woodson.
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  Speaker 1: Alli Woodson who sang treater like a lady for the Temptations,
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  Speaker 1: he was also going through that and he got sick,
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  Speaker 1: but he died. So I saw Charlie go from the
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  Speaker 1: grave back to who he is today. And record company
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  Speaker 1: people will say, you know, I knew it. You're lying.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't know anything. You had no idea. There was
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  Speaker 1: no circumstantial evidence that Charlie Wilson return like that. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, when you have a gift that's given to you,
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  Speaker 1: man can't stop it. It's just your perspective. Prophet Bob
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  Speaker 1: Marley said, you only you can free your mind from
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  Speaker 1: mental slavery. All the stuff I listen to you guys
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  Speaker 1: all the time, and the topics and the political things,
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  Speaker 1: and you know things you have to And it's interesting
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  Speaker 1: because again it all relates back to this system that
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  Speaker 1: has been created for us to exist in. People don't
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  Speaker 1: realize this whole thing is a system. The Rothschilds and
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  Speaker 1: the Rockefellers created the economy, they created Washington, they created
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  Speaker 1: the language, They named us what they thought our name
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  Speaker 1: should be. And when you start reading and understanding who
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  Speaker 1: you really are and going back to oneself, you find
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  Speaker 1: real love. And then you can love your brother and
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  Speaker 1: your sister. So I believe that, you know I hear.
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  Speaker 1: Like earlier you guys were talking, it's like, well, how
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  Speaker 1: do you still have hope? It has to be in,
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  Speaker 1: it has to be within, and your perspective has to
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  Speaker 1: be yours. You know, it's easy to be a big mac.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody could be a big Mac because you look at
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  Speaker 1: what's trended and you go, Okay, I'm gonna put two
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  Speaker 1: all beef patty special sauce letther cheese, pickles onions on me,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'm cool. But do you really feel like yourself?
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  Speaker 1: And biblically you could you could relate it to the
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  Speaker 1: simulation of David when he went before King Saul. He
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  Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna give you all the gold and
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  Speaker 1: the chariots to slay the giant. He was like, I've
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  Speaker 1: been slaying giants. You just don't know it. I've been
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: slaying giants, you just don't know it. I come from
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  Speaker 1: eating will projects. I was born to slay a giant.
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  Speaker 1: But now I don't slam with this no more. I
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  Speaker 1: slam with this. So my my journey and this thing
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  Speaker 1: and what I mean to the culture, it always touches me.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm humble because I really feel the best is
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  Speaker 1: yet to come.
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  Speaker 6: Going back to the conversation earlier, were you Andre Herrel?
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  Speaker 6: I saw somewhere that Andre was talking about that he
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  Speaker 6: was willing to forgive that whole incident of y'all moved forward?
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  Speaker 1: Was that true? Yes, it was very true, And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we loved each other. That's that's what hurts so bad.
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  Speaker 1: Again when you when it's your brothers, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: think all of us. I know you can and ye
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  Speaker 1: and I know you can. You grown up where you
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  Speaker 1: grew up with Who would say, come on? If you
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: would have said this in high school, I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 1: Charlemagne to God. They would have been like you put
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  Speaker 1: him in the little bus. I mean, think about when
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: we all were in sixth grade. If we'd have just said,
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: what do you want to be when you grow up?
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: If you have said the President of the United States,
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  Speaker 1: everybody in your class would have laughed at you because
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  Speaker 1: that was a ceiling of perception that had not been
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  Speaker 1: touched yet. And the power of what you say and
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  Speaker 1: how you do. You said that earlier. Don't let your
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: emotions dictate a momentary thing. Your emotions will lead you
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: to damnation every time, your ego, your vanity. We're watching
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: this over and over with our great Black brothers, whether
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  Speaker 1: you like them or you don't like them. So for me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm at a season I have. You know, I've heard
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  Speaker 1: all the noise. I've endured all the noise. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: bother me. I get it. You know. They are things
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: brought up about me that were just absolutely crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 1: The people that really know me want to react in
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  Speaker 1: a certain way, but I'm always like, listen, this is
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  Speaker 1: this is why they're lighting the match, because if we
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  Speaker 1: continue to blow up on each other, this is what happens.
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  Speaker 1: They win. They keep this like a dog chasing his tail.
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  Speaker 1: He keeps biting that tail till there's no more tail
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  Speaker 1: at the end.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think people who misunderstood the most about
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  Speaker 4: you during your peakys.
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  Speaker 1: That I had talent. I mean, in my twenties, it
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  Speaker 1: was all about either being Albi Shure's cousin or looking
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  Speaker 1: a certain way, or who I dated. And I get
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  Speaker 1: you and I get that, but it never really superseded
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  Speaker 1: the other stuff. I remember we were going meetings. I
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: remember my first meeting a gifting. They was like, put
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: on Bobby Brown's pants. We're gonna we had they had
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  Speaker 1: a stylist there. They were gonna cut my hand in
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: the gumby. I was like, yo, I can't. I can't
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  Speaker 1: dance and I love Bob Bob those that for fat.
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  Speaker 1: I remember it's my first soul train and I was
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  Speaker 1: like me, Bob and all of boys, So the pitting's
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  Speaker 1: not gonna work, you know what I'm saying. And I
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  Speaker 1: understand that. You going to say, well, Yo, you're a
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  Speaker 1: light skined dude. You can sing. Al sings the way
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  Speaker 1: he sings. Al has a falsetto like El DeBarge and
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: Bobby de Barge and the greats before him. I have
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  Speaker 1: a baritone. I sing like Luther, James, Jeffrey and Barvin
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  Speaker 1: Gay and people like that.
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  Speaker 7: I literally said, when I was listening to good Enough
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  Speaker 7: that you telling you can be I was like this,
• 12:19
  Speaker 7: given Luth and Eil a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit, I can't wait to you here a woman of
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  Speaker 1: the year, especially you period. Okay, already.
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  Speaker 2: Brown her husband now.
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  Speaker 1: She love, go ahead and go ahead, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to ask you know what that Hiatus,
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  Speaker 3: what what said this is the time to come back?
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  Speaker 3: Because it was you were going for a long time
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  Speaker 3: and almost like a lot of your history. I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to say it was not there, but people forgot
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  Speaker 3: about you, and even with some of the younger people
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: back here when they said when we said Christopher Williams, they.
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  Speaker 1: Had no idea.
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  Speaker 3: I had to play music and go back like nah,
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  Speaker 3: this was his song, this was his other song. I
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  Speaker 3: had to show them and they had no idea. So
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: why to come back?
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  Speaker 1: Well? November fifth, twenty twenty one, I was sick for
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  Speaker 1: the first time in my life. I passed out and
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: didn't you know, I'm a person again. Like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of brothers, I don't avoid the doctor, but I'm always
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: looking for an indigenous remedy. Okay, you know, So this
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: time I ran out of remedies and my kidneys had
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: actually really failed. I was in Vegas with the guys
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: from Cooling the Game. We were opening up the first
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: gaming park. Huge project we were working on, but it
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: fell through, so at the end we packed up, and
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: I think the stress of it. And I was with
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: a bunch of retired Caucasian brothers, super cool guys with
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: a mere band, and we were drinking the finest cognacs
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: and liquors and Louis the thirteenth and stuff. And I've
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: never been a drinker. I'm a roster. And my kidneys
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: couldn't take it. So I got sick. And then I
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: woke up twenty four days later out of a coma.
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: And what's funny is Al started reporting it first, I'll
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: be sure, and then he fell into a coma. And
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: when I came to, I was one hundred and thirty
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: pounds in paralyzed and I was walking around about two hundred.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm six one two hundred. That's only one
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  Speaker 1: ninety five two hundred. So I woke up in hell,
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  Speaker 1: you know. But It was the best thing I think
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  Speaker 1: that could have happened to me because everything got stripped
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  Speaker 1: away from me. Everything you know, I've been paying insurance,
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: every single thing was like a test for me. It
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: was like revelation to say, Chris, this is what your
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: purpose to do now, Like this music and come back
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  Speaker 1: is just a platform for what I'm really gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the main things is that everything has
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  Speaker 1: been coming full circle. Like you know, I hear saving
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  Speaker 1: like Chase the bad, Chase this. I've never chased nothing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't chase. And if I'm in pursuit, then I'm
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: out of pocket because that means I'm doing something I
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing. So full circle, get out the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not on one pill. My kidneys totally recovered. I'm
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: not on one pill, and all because of me believing
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: that I don't just read things. I really go in
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: and say, Okay, let me see how this works for me.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it does. But it came
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: full circle because I had went in the studio and
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: then I ran into somebody that hadn't seen in a
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: long time. I knew a kid fourteen years old named
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: Vincent Herbert, so Vincent came to me with a whole
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: staff acts, writers, producers, and he was dead. Seriously when Edgeward,
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: I think he came to mind. I don't know how
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: he met me. I think through one of the girls
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: I was dating, or somebody had flown in and he said,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be you know, like Clive Davis. You know,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I thought it was funny. A lot of people come
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: to you when you're hot and music. But he has
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: something about him because again he had a stylist, writer staff.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Faith Evans was a byproduct of that through Kayamer Griffin,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: and I gave him some bread to go in the studio.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: He started coming by my house and the rest is history. Now,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: the ironic thing about Vincent Faith is that, unlike people
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: in music, you know that there's a there's a possession
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: in that. So it's like you owe somebody something. But
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: I believe you sow a seed because I know I
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: hear Christians that I know where my help comes from.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: But you want payback for so and to seed. So
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I've never been like that. So I sowed the seed
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: because I know I had windows open for me, I
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: had grace on me. So to watch Faith Evans and
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Vincent Herban and these people that I had been instrumental
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: in having the honor of touching. It came full circle
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: because I said, listen, I just went in the studio
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Vents with the goat Troy Taylor. Big shout to Troy Taylor,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: and I said, he said, well, let me check the temperature.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: I want to see what you're doing. You want to
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: see how you sound, because you know, do you sound
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: out of pocket, do you sound like you're trying to
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: make a record to young or you sound dated? And
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I played a song phone called Woman of the Year,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: and that's when we started pursuing it. Then I had
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: realized in my hiatus, I had not wasted time because
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I never stopped working. I just wasn't on the mainstream
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: and I was no longer invited to the white house.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And that's cool because again,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I'm from a black house. I might be light skinned,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: but I'm from a totally black house, like a chemic,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: a comedic house. That's how black. My house is so
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: fast forward. I said, well, Vince, you know I remember
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: saying something to Vince. I said, you know, Vince, if
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: you ever got focused on my project. We could do
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: something even greater than maybe Charlie Wilson or we if
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: we come close, we you know, we're back, we'd win.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: And that to him was like focus, Like nigga, I'm
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: gonna show you. Excuse me? Can I say that, I'm
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: show you. I'm gonna show you what focus is. And
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: then we just started, you know, knocking records down, and
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I knew that the synergy was back because I never
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: wanted to cut the new single good Enough, and we
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: had great records already, but I was gonna cut this
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: song called church Boy, ironically, which I was a church boy.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not into organized church anymore, nothing against the church.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: But we wound up. He said, yo, going and cut
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: good Enough. And MY first thing was like, man, it
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: sounds like you know, you shure. That doesn't sound like
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: that sound like a breezy song. But part of that
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: was appealing to me because I really I love Chris Brown,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: like that's my to me, that's like my musical nephew. Well,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: if I could pick a musical son, he'd be that son.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: So but he danced, Oh yeah.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: I can't.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: He does more than dance. I seen Holmes get down
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: for three hours ever, you know that's beyond dancing and
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the crazy stuff is I didn't see no band, I
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: didn't see nothing. It was just the breezy show. So
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: kudos to that young man for enduring. Because you know
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: when when a lot is given to you, the swords
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: come out, you know the vanity is there, but then
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: they want to they want to persecute you as they did.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: You're shure, and he's taking all of it in stride.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: He keeps rising above it by showing people his colors,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: showing him his gifts. That it is endless, whether it's painting, dancing, singing, writing,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: he's just he's a voice. He's he's this generation's Michael Jackson,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: if you ask me. So kudos to Chris not to
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: spend so much time. But I found my groove again
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: because I never stopped. But I never stopped. So and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: though my hiatus, I wrote a movie about my aunt
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Ella Fitzgerald, which I presented to Vincent. They love it.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: But the thing that really caught his eye and HBO's eyes,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I wrote a story called the Book of oc Ball.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: So I was in a movie called New Jack City.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I played Kareem Mockball where darkskinned dude snitched on me.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Charla Magne, He definitely, why do you do that, charlat man?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And that's my man. Like West put me in college.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: People don't know I went to Purchase College. I was
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: in the street Wes and my next door neighbor lived
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: in apartment down the hall, Darren Cotton. He went to
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Purchase College and he knew I could see, know I
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: could say. And I used to hang around GQ because
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: they're out of my block too. I used to watch
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: GQ play as a youth. And I was raised in
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the drummer's household, Paul Paul Saber, but they called them
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Paul Service. So I was raised as Jamaican because I'm adopted,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything else. So even my whole life
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: they called not Chris, not the album, So I had
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: a different perspective. These guys made it so every bread
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: crumb in my life was showing me that all this
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: stuff is possible. You know. I watched one of my
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: one of my mentors, my idols, Bill Underwood, discovered Johnny
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Gill and I saw him start to transition, but it
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: caught him. So these were all lessons for me.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Hold on Chris, you're speaking a little bit. Now, hold
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: on your aunt elephant. Gerald, Well, he's not paying for
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: you to go through college. Tell us about that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Wesley didn't pay he got me to go to school.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: So him and thryn Coin was like, YO, you're talented.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: If you stay on this road, you're gonna you're gonna
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: fuck your life up. And I was having my first
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: child at the time, so it was important for me.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I was paying attention. So I wound up going to Purchase.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: While at Purchased, I caught the acting and music, but
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: actually through West because I got to watch him do
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: a one man play I'll Never Forget This written by
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: John Williams called The Riven Niger, and I was like, Yo,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: this dude is a super nova. Then he would stop
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: doing the play and on Wednesday he was the DJ.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: West was a DJ called West his Best, We's his Best,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and every Wednesday night of South he would perform and
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: he would vogue all night while DJing. So I caught
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the entertainment bug there, and I literally at that point
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm not going back to no hustle. I'm
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: not going back to no street active, no nothing. I
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: was dating and I'm not name dropping. I was dating
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Stacy Dash at the time, I had we had a child.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I was living and actually I was living forgot about,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: so we were living on eighty Second in York. I
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: used to actually wake up every morning and walk by
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Mayor Conscia's house and I would talk to security. So
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: all of this stuff was evolving and I was seeing
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: my dreams coming true. But at that very summer, it
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: was April, it was spring, my best friend Greg Chandler
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: was murdered on College Avenue and that changed everything for me.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: It was like, very second, shut everything down, went straight
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to California with Stacey, and that's how I got my
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: record deal. I was hanging out one night in Dancy, Terria.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: We were visiting for the holidays, and Stacey had Marissa
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: to May and Lisa Bonet and all her girlfriends were
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: hanging out. So Michael Rosenblat from Geffen Records comes up
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: to me and he's like, who are you? Because I
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: got a bunch of fine girls with me, and I
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: was like who are you? And he was like, I
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: signed Madonna and I was like yeah, and I'm king tut.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: But the truth was he had signed Madonna. I never
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: again I never chased a record deal. It was like
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the breadcrumbs of my life. So he says, listen, you know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: we don't do black music, but I think you're. I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: think you're you know, the son. You got something I
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: just need to hear. Can you really sing? Because at
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that point they were gonna sign me sightseeing because really,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: because I'll be sure, because they were like, whether you
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: could sing or not, we want to sign you. But
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: then I hooked up with Timmy Allen Fritz Cadet to
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: old friends who went on to do R Kelly to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: me work with R Kelly and the Backstreet Boys. We
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: made a song called Lover Come Back and I forget
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that it's been thirty six years, guys. But we made
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: two songs and that got me my record deal, and
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: all along I started singing. So the first attorney tried
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: to jerk me. Then I went to my aunt Ella,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to correlate the stories. That was the
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: only time I ever asked my aunt for help. I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: asked her for legal help how to deal with the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: situation I was in. She referred me to somebody. I
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: got a different attorney. Then I made my first major
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: record deal with Geffen Records, and they treated me amazing.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: They just did not know black music at the time.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: They had David Pison and Ray Parker Jr. And Jennifer Holliday.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Those were the acts that were there. And we did good,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: but not great because they did not understand what to
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: make on me. So a lot of the producers they
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: were coming, they didn't want me dealing with New York
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: because they didn't really want me going back to New
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: York because of what I was just coming out of.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: So fast forward, we did a little action on promises.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: In the first song, I talked to Myself, which was
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: a rip of Bobby Brown's My parajh. So again they
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: get me in the office talk to Myself. Ain't even
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: on the record, and they're like, you know, they got
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: everybody there shooting the spiel. They got the stylust with
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Bobby's pants, the barber who cut Bobby's hair. But I
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't I'm not doing that. I can't
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: do it. But then they gave me a check for
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand, and I said, Okay, let's let's go
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: sing talk to Myself. So we did that. It was
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: a long break. I remember trying to break the record,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and this is music language. Back then, you had to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: break the record at radio. It took us about fourteen
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: weeks to make Breaker. We finally did it and then
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, we got something. Then I dropped
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the song I wrote called Promises Promises, which was really
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the pre limb to smile again for Bell Biv Devau
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and I can explain how that happened, but that sort
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of launched my career and kind of separate me. Separated
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: me from the other people they will mention me against
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: because they were like, wow, based upon what promises is
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the frequency and promises this dude can sing. He can
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: sing sing, So Promises hit got my first I think
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: it was top five record, and then it moved onto
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: New Jack City and the rest was history. I wound
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: up reuniting with Wesley, which was really dope. Did Wesley
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: get you in New Jack City? Know? Our auditioned with
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Pat Golden won it. But the great thing about it
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: was when they told me I got the job. They
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: were like, Nino Brown is going to be played by
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: a guy named Wesley Snipes, and again this is the
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: bread crumbs of my life. I'm like, yo, this is crazy.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: This can't be. And I remember seeing one hundred twenty
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: fifth Street in front of the old Floor Shine before
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: they closed it out, and we were laughing about British
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Walkers not being in style anymore, and he was like, Yo,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be so dope to shoot the movie. Now,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: by the time we shot the movie, my record was
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: blowing promises in the first album and my star was shining.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: So by the time we got to shoot New Jack
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: they couldn't even put me with the rest of the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: cast because they were knocking my trailer over chasing us.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: It was I was getting the Bobby I'll be Shore treatment,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And that's what I used to call it, because that's
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: what that's why I first witnessed the power of music
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: for my own Like I've seen it through Michael Jackson
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and obviously my aunt being Elephant Gerald, but I'd never
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: seen it for me in my own eyes. And when
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I saw Bobby and got a chance to be cool
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: with him, Oh, when I saw Bobby and got a
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: chance to be you know, cool with him, I was
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: like the pandemonian he would cause was crazy. Bobby was
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the king and alb was the Prince, and I was
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the Enigma and those times were great, and uh, that's
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: kind of how it came.
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Nah, I mean it's a staple.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And I mean it's iconic.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: It's yes, iconic, cultural and you.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Know, it's funny now that we're shooting the Book of Aqua,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: it's funny to see that. You know, New Jack was
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: originally written by a Caucasian brother. Really, yeah, Dwight, and
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: uh they had Barry Michael Cooper rest in Peace Barry
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: rewrite it, and Uh, I was originally g money. Really,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: kudos to my brother. I was on Al Hayman's Superfest,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: a butvewise a superfest, and you know, I wasn't gonna
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: break my deal with Al for one k Newjack wasn't
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: paying like the Superfest, and I wanted the opportunity. But
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I Cassandra Mills at the time, who was my manager.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: She got George and Doug to agree that if I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: did dreaming, she had found the song from Hiram Hicks
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and Stanley Brown. If I did dreaming, could we create
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: a character. And you know, I think we all were like, yo,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: there's no five percenters of Muslims or anything like that.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: So they created Kareem Mockbar and that's how I became
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Kareem Mockbar. And now thirty years later I wrote the
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: book of Ockba, which is so Kareem's coming out to
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: fed So at the end of the movie, when the
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: tapes were stolen and they were making deals, Kareem actually
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: in real time had his own deal, but with the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: real cartel, and he basically took the money that was
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: stolen and invested in gold and silver bars and bitcoin,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: which was actually around then but we didn't know about it.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: So Kareem stays ten toes down with the cartel. He
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't snitch on anybody Italians other Mexicans. He comes out
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: twenty some years later. He's a made man. But he's
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: an interesting character because Kareem is really like Abo Vacari.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: His perspective is to take the street thing and build
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the youth so that we have a different perspective about
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: each other. So it's a it's a duel between good
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: and evil the whole time. And the young people that
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: we got slated. I want Davey used to play Mustafa,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: who's Kareem Mockbar's son. We got a boogie with the
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Hoodie slated to play Nico who's the illegitimate son of
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Nino which Kareem raised, and then you find out later
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: on it's not really Nino's son. But that's one of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the twists. Iced Tea is interested in still being Scotty.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: He's now internal affairs, So it's a it's a crazy
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Talking about the New Jack City sequel, and everything I
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: was hearing was corny.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: But and they waited too long. Like we all in
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: our late fifties and some of us in our sixties,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. The geriatric Street you.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Would have got about thirty years you was deleted, the
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: tam you got about.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Thirty Yeah, so we we basically did it like that,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and the story has so much more Again, this story
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: in a hundred episodes will go from what we loved
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: in New Jack to a new perspective that's gonna be modern, chemic,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: and it's something that we've not seen on television before.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Imagine a world where we all were who we really are,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: where nothing was taken, nothing was indoctrinated, nothing with nothing,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: no identities, no no anything like really understanding who we
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: are and living in real time in it.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Did you know film in New Jack City that the
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: characters in New Jack City were going to be as
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: big as they were, Like you're Chris rocksheah, of course
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I see, But I did an actor, Wesley as.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: An actor, g Money as an actor.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Did you see that, I'm not gonna lie in viall?
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't. We were having fun. Man. It was like
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: you know again for me at the time too, I
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: really didn't get the whole gist of the movie because
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I had to be set art it a lot, because
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: it was disruptive to the shooting. Like I remember once
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: we were shooting at the Carter and our trailers were
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: right one hundred and seventeenth Street. They knocked my trail
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: over like like literally, there was like we're getting in,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: We're getting in this niggas trail all women. Well, I
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: hope so.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: So Keisha daughter.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: No. But but what we do have the guys in
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: is there getting the rights is that he has trouble
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: sleeping after all these years. He did four years in
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: the shoe at different times. And I'll explain why he
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: had to do four years in the shoe because Nino
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: sent people to kill him. There's a small twist. Nino's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: not dead, okay, Okay, I heard that. So, but the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: thing is, Wesley's never wanted to do another gangster thing
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: because even when we were trying to make New Jack two,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: was always West saying, I don't want to do another
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not interested. And even though he did the Dependables,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: so I mean, this is a small joke. I don't
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: like if you're going to do the Dependables too, So
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: we never got to do it. And then the time
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: went on and we would hear other things, and then
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: all of us were kind of like now. So basically
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the main people are dream Sequence because Kareem is an
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: interesting dude. Like his whole mannerisms, he's going to remind
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you of like a cross between Denzel and the Equalizer
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: in Abu Bakari, because his forward thinking is like Billy
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Carson or Yaki Awaken. His nutrition is like Aries Latham.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: He's an indigenous dude who's been stripped of everything, kind
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: of like Christopher Williams. But through that he's not bitter.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: It makes him better. He gets a different perspective about oneself,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: so he's able to interact with people differently, how he
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: takes everything in life different. So back to the original,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to go around the block. But that's
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: when I died Charlemagne. That's what happened, Like everything became
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: precious to me. I literally just started moving this right arm,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: like maybe six months ago. But I was able to
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: mock that it wasn't hurting to get my performance going
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: again because I knew that it would take building a platform,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: because you have to have a voice. And you know,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: that's why a lot of times when things would come
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: against me, I wouldn't speak on it because I was like,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: if someone knows me, they know me, they know what
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I stand for, they know what they know the man
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: that I am, and as long as my kids and
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: my family are straight, the rest is kind of like,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: you know, I can't control that narrative. So you know,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I got black ball. And again, I never felt the
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: chain because I've always been a rebel in a sence,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: and I know that this whole indoctrination is a chain.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you realize, I mean, but you
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: know it was like you know they had to do.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: There was you know, fixed up the crack and coca
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: the building.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: So you want me to be one of them?
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: One of them?
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's a timeless record. What was happening in your
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: life when you recorded that record.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Fun Rock, rock Star, rock Star, Crazy Again. That was
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: a time like when me Alan Bobby were hanging out
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: a lot and we were just really on some twenty
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: two twenty three year old rock star. It was, you
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: know again, every day it was feet partner. Everywhere there
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: was a feet would partner. They were arching point and
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: all kinds of shit. So we was having fun and
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I just was also trying to experience transitioning from the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Bronx and the life that I was coming out of.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: And people don't realize, like at the peak of my career,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I lost my little brother, my grandmother, and my mother
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: back year one one one year after year, so that
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: kind of slowed me down a little bit. And then
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: when the things from the business started weighing on me,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: and you know, the heartbreak with Andre, I think the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I think sitting out and going in a hiatus or
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: a wilderness sort of like going through the wilderness. That
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: was my that was my journey, that was to be
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: my thing, and it was a cross that only Christopher
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: could bear. I started witness a lot of artists who
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: were like, you know, bitter, and I was like, I don't.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not that guy. I mean, even with cats my
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: age come and do interviews, a lot of times they'll
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: be like, well, yo, what do you think about the
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: crap that's out right now? I'm like, what are you
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: talking about? Chris Brown ain't crap. Her ain't crap, Jasmine
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Sullivant ain't crap, Ellie Mayin crat, some of Walker's not crap.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: These people are young, gifted people, and just like when
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: we were coming up, we loved hip hop, or we
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: loved what we loved, and they didn't get that. They
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: said hip hop was from the devil and that it
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: would never last. Fifty years later, the whole world fifty
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: two years later, the whole world is honoring it. And
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: these brothers who stood for who they really were, are
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: not only just icons. Like what do you say about
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: the dialogue and prognostication of KRS one. Chris is a teacher.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: He's a better teacher than any Board of Education teacher
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: ever history. And no dish to the teachers out here
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing. But I remember my
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: godson was on his way to Harvard and in ninth grade,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: they were trying to literally pusic persecute Drew because they
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: were like, yo, he's cheating. My godson had read by
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: thirteen all the bought of education books, so he looked
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: at the teacher straight in his face, like, I know
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the lessons you're giving me before you give them to me.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: So this isn't there's no teaching. We leave school not
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: knowing taxes or credit. They're not teaching, they're setting you up.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: We go to an institution where the teachers don't know us.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: It looks just like a prison. If you put barb
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: wires and somebody on a watchtower, it's basically a prison.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: And then doctrination that it teaches you food wise everything.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I stayed in the hospital six months. I was with
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: a dude, old Kat from Nebraska, Omaha, Nebraska. Forget his name,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: honestly because I watched some of it out, but I
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: remember him having really bad diabetes where they would come
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: at two o'clock in the morning, take them and you know,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: they take him and get him his treatments and stuff,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: and he was in a lot of pain. But that
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: next morning they would bring him high fruit toast corn
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: syrup for breakfast.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, so I pushed back off
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: of it. They were trying to give me drugs, and
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: it's funny that they're trying to give me drugs. The
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: world is calling me a crackhead. I'm fighting for my
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: life and I don't even want those drugs. I just
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: want to split and goddamn herbs. So again enduring all
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of that and saying, Okay, you got to stand strong
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: and have the right perspective in order to go forward
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the proper way, what your path is. So that's really
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: what it was about. Man, I just I started not
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: this is a society where everybody's looking left and looking right.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: And I tell Christians this all the time. You're so
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: worried about what the bottom line is in the church
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: or what your pastor you forgot about the work of
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the Creator. You're doing the work of the church. And
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: if you really have faith and you have this relationship
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and shit, one, where was he from twelve to thirty
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that shuts the holes, that shuts everything down? Then two,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: if you if you're paying attention to him, why you
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: worried about what jay Z got it? You worried about
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: what Puff got, You worried what Michael Gate, what Bill
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Gates got you what if you if you paid attention
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: to who you were, you were the first to get
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: a zillion, but you so enamored with the billion or
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: the six hundred million, you ain't gonna get to it
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: because we're so busy looking left and looking right and
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: having contempt and envy and jealousy and this no pun intended.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: So I had to get out of that, you know.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: And it was important for me to do that for
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: me as a man and who I am as a man,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and for my kids so they could see that music
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: don't make me. I make music. I put my pants
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: on the same way at thirteen that I do now,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: so no matter the snare or whatever's going on. And
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I in doing that, when I came out of the hospital,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I felt like I was a much better person and
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I see things super clear, and it's just my path.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm right. I'm saying I'm right for me.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: So that's where I'm at today.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: When you talk about the.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: Time when you were like a black ball, you mentioned
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: that your relationships overshadowed a lot of your talent. Yeah yeah,
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: what from that time of who you were dating? So
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: you mentioned Stacy Dash also halle Berry was a person.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I broke up with Hallie because of that. Nothing ever
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: happened with me and Hollie. Holly's an amazing girl. I
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: heard y'all talking about her earlier, with her staying against
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Governor Nusom, so shout out to my friend, that's always
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: gonna be, Sir Rafie. I hope I'm saying that're right.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: They called me Mufassa. So these are characters from the
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Lion King. My son is Simba, my g baby is Copa,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: so she's We've always been friends in that whole thing
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: with both Leo's and I always again, I remember Vincent
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: coming to me and be like, hey, pal, you listen.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: He used to talk like Burt Pidell. You know, How's
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: got a great future in front of right, And I'm like, yeah,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: she got a great future behind her too. So he'd
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: be like, but man, you know all the tension in
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: your career. Man, you know, you and wrestling, Andrea fighting,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: and you know, I love Leor, but you know and
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Leor Again, Leo was like, my man, fifty grand Leor
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: got me my apartment on Houston Street, and he used
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: to live right around the corner on Avenue A or
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: B one or the other, I can't remember, but we
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: were politics every day and this was a really thriving time.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: But again the heartbreak of before the breakup was so
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the week before I signed the Uptown, Mark Siegel, who
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: was at ICM, told me to stop messing with my
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: brother Mark Cheatham. Don't mess with the help because Mark
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: at the time was getting me all the work. I
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: never knew Mark Siegel, after signing the Uptown would become
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the president of my record label when I had signed
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: to him being my agency. So now I'm in bed
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: with an agency who no longer wants me to work
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: because now the agent who signed me is now running
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the record and then the whole dichotomy at Uptown changes.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: So what me and Andre had agreed to I was
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: executive producer. Andre saw me because again he saw the
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: moves I was making outside of music and just my
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: general heart like I always know that giving people opportunity
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: is a great thing. Now what they do with it
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: is on you, and I have no expectations from it.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: So then I'm free of it. I've sown the seed,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I'm free of it. And that's not how this business works.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: All of us sitting here. No, that is not how
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: this business works. So I've always been, like I guess
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: perceived a little different in music. And that was the
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: whole come about after when I got out the hospital,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: just saying I'm confident in who I am. I'm a
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: better man than I was when I was twenty five.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: And that's evolution. I think we all know are I
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: think my daughters grew me up a lot, big shouting.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: My oldest daughter, Chrissy, her birthday was yesterday and she
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: just got back from Iceland. She's an oceanographer. She dives
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: in the ocean and films. So my daughter's like, you know,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: my kids are blessed. Everything is in a good place. Again,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here at the breakfast club twenty nine years move.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Why because of your gifts?
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: So I want to about the coma thing, right, you said,
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: I know when I'll be sure announced that you were
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: in a coma.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Your team came out and said it wasn't true.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: True. Well, my sister, Belinda, my sister did we don't
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: you know I've never involved my family. You know, it's
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: you know again, you're to bring your your family into
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: what you already endure. Everyone's not made like that. You
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: you have a shield, you have a perspective of who
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Charlemagne is, and you're like, I can deal with this.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: But a lot of people are not built for this,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: and it really affects them. We see that all the
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: time with artists. I see artists who are always you know,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: like they're bitter, they're making excuses, and I'm like, this
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: is not life.
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: It is.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: It is a job in a sense now it is
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: an art form, and it's dope to be able to do.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Like when you love something, you don't see it really
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: as a job. You get to make money and take
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: care of your family. So that's the space I've always
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: been in, and you know, I'm just again. My journey's
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: been amazing. You know, like any other life, there's been
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: ups and downs and challenges, but you know, because of
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: grace and mercy, I've always rise to the occasion. And
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I think this comeback for me is going to be
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: kind of strange to a lot of people because why now,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: why so long? Why did they roam around in the
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: wilderness for forty years before they got to the Promised Land?
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: And my company has been called Promise Land for twenty
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: five years and my email for my whole life has
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: been clw Lyon of Judah. So again, these breadcrumbs have
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: all come full circle to who I've become as a person,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: a man and an artist.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: What did Andre Herell seeing you early on that maybe
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: you didn't even see.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: In yourself a business man and he took I learned
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: a lot from Dre and Russell, I really did. But
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I also learned about the pitfalls of this business, you know,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I you know again, we had a lot of fun.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: But my approach to fund was different. You know. I
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: grew up in a time where you courted women, you know,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: if you liked each other certain you know, look, and
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: gave each other whatever. And I got music and it
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, they're buying girls. I remember Burt Padel
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: used to call me in office be hey, hey, how
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: many models made the shopping spree last night? When Russell
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Landre and I'll be like, bro, I don't know, And
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: not as a disrespect to them or as a disservice,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: but we were doing the best. People don't realize Russell,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Dre and the people who had production labels, Dick Griffy
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: rap a lot these guys went against all odds, even
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Sugar Knight. Death Row was brilliantly formatted. It had a
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: bad intent. The heart behind it became bad. The vanity
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: became more important than the original mission, which was to
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: be owners. I used to see checks and people don't
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: really well. Me and me and Eric B were the
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: East Coast reps for Death Row. No one ever knew that,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: but it's true. If you check Tupac when he was
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: going off in New York, he was like the only
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: niggas in New York. After what is Eric being Crystal Williams.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: We opened up a death ro ease and I was like,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: whoa easy bro, I'm from New York. I got to
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: go back home. But it never happened, unfortunately, but fortunately
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: because there was so much of the same going on
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: in Death Row, not respecting dre discounting who Snoop was,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: discounting the artists, the treachery, the beatings, the debauchery, and
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I see the residue of all this stuff, and again
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, I feel fortunate that I'm unscathed in it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I have no malice for
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: marrying that sugar Sugar. We were super cool. I remember
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Sugar approached my girl at the time. They was at
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: some awards and he was like, yo, you know who
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I am. And she was like, yeah, you know who
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I am. And he was like, oh, you want to
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: be from New York. She was like, well, I'm here alone,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: but I know I have a man. He was like,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: who's your man? He's like Christal Williams. He was like,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: his whole energy change. He was like, give him my number.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I've been looking for him, but he was being brutus
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: until because I really am one of the Titans changed.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I've just changed. My heart is different, bro, I'm better.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: I want to build my brothers. I want to build
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: my sisters. You know what I'm saying. I can't do
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: it by myself. It's not my mission. But if one
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: person takes that perspective, and each one of us take
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: that perspective, then things could change. Now, the important key
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: is when this platform comes about and I'm given the
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: autonomy to do that, then I got to stay true
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: to the mission because that's when the vanity and all
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the crazy stuff happens, and that's when you got to
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: be really strong. I mean, it's no different than any
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: other person's purpose or journey. We're seeing all the stuff
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: that's going on in the world right now. There's no
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: apparent reason why this government should be in the shambles
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: that it's in. But I've never believed in government because
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I'm well read. The only systems that have ever worked,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: and the history of man is ancient chemic. That's why
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: all the names are changed. We call it Africa. That's
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: not even the name of the continent. It's not any
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: And if anybody doesn't believe me, fact checked everything I'm
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: saying everything we are indigenous means what first, It don't
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: mean better. But a black woman is the only woman
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: on earth who can have every race of kid. That's
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: why they sell melanie. That's why it's a commodity. That's
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: why they're poisoning us with food. We're obsessed with deities
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: instead of truth. Because a man says, I've got so
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: much money, and you stand while I'm Bill Gates, I'm
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: gonna put peel on your food, and we say, it's
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: like when Rockefeller said I'm gonna give jobs to all
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the Negroes. We're like, yeah, and you're gonna work for
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: our system and there's nothing wrong with it. We're all
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: in this system, but it's finding perspective and balance so
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: that it works for you and your family or whatever
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: you're riding for now. My family stuff is one thing.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: But I've been I've been given an assignment on this
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: earth we all have.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: What do you think it is?
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: The truth? I think it starts through Ocbar and some
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: of the things that I know are true. I think
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: that our kids need to be re educated, all kids,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: because there's a severe indoctrination. I mean they spent hundreds
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I could go on and on for a million years.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Shout out to my brother Terrence Howard. I mean you
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: call something multiplication. How can you have three components and
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: multiplied like so, if you got three dollars and I say, Charlemagne,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I'm your big bro, I want to multiply that three dollars.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I'm going to teach you multiplication, but you're gonna have
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: to give me one of the components to get the
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: right answer. You're gonna say that doesn't work for me
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: because I had three dollars, I multiplied one times one.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: How does this stay one? How does this stay one?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: There's two components that become one, and that happens in
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: improper mathematics, same thing that happens in the church says
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: it's powering words. So why do you say civilization? Why
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: do you say the word Jesus. The letter J wasn't
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: introduced to the human language till five hundred years ago,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: so who was he before that? And this is not
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: a disc This is not a disc to Christianity. But
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: even when you read where Christianity comes from is from
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: the Spanish Inquisition. They went around in the name of
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Jesus and murdered people and said you're going to be
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: christ And again, don't believe me.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Oh is it Roman Emperor Constantine?
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't believe it? Like again all over the world.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: October is what eight ol cho every language, same thing
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: with ten d s dees. Why is December twelfth in
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: the calendar? If he's lord at a harvest, why would
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: he be born in the middle of the winter. What
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: have you ever seen grow in the middle of the winter?
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: So how could his birthday be December twenty fifth? And
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: we know these things, most of us know these things.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything really new to anybody. I don't know.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: It's warm, but not the harvest season, so you know
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: the harvest just left. The harvest would be between September
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: October somewhere around and there. But again, it's just again,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: we are taught these things because we're thrown off. That's
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: why we're That's why they don't interject sound into healing.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Why do you think we love music? The sound heals us.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: It literally makes us feel a certain way. If I
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: play the record you Love from nineteen seventy eight, you
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: might have not even been born then, but the way
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: it makes you feel never goes away. That's why everything
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: with medicine, they're saying, don't do drugs. What do you
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: think is in the drugs? Opioids, heroin and coke? And
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: from my past life, I'm an expert on it. I
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: know to cut it, mix it, cook it, what you
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: want to do with it. But it's introduced into modern
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: medicine because of the profit. And I'm not even mad
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: in saying it. They're great doctors, some of them help me,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: but the whole system is broken. We're the The Western
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: medicine treats the case, not the person. How can you
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: take the same medicine for the same sickness and you
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: have a different body, This disease in your cell not sickness.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: So if you have dissease and the cell, you have
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: to create an alkaline environment to reform the disease. But
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: that's not the approach we take. And I witnessed it
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: for the first time. I should be dead because the
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: three people that were in my room died in that
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: facility in Inglewood. I've been paying insurance since I got
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: a record deal, but because I wouldn't take the shot,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I couldn't get my insurance straight. So I had to
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: pay out a pocket. And I learned all these things
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: and not to be mad or shoot at people. But
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I feel for humans. We're all in a place like
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: everybody has basic common desires to feed their family, be healthy.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: You know, what are you putting in our water? Why
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: don't you teach us coconut water and watermelon water is
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: God's water. Why are you teaching us to drink eight
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: glasses of twelve glass of water day when you washing
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: all your nutrients out? Why are you drinking water with
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: estrogen in it? And guys are wondering why they getting
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: titties and why they getting disformed and all this stuff,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: and again you don't got no more. So again I
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: don't say these things like I'm not on a mission
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: to hurt anybody anything. I'm on a mission to heal,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: you know. And there's a lot of people, there's a
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: core people on the same thing. I think internally we
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: all want to but in the daily rigs of life,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to pay mortgages and rant
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: take care of our kids and loved ones, there are
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: decisions that we have to make to keep continuing. And
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I've been given a hiatus to really like sit back
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: and the fact that I'm still okay, My kids are good.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: I never had to go out begging for record deals
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: or any of that kind of stuff, you know, notwithstanding
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: what people have said about me, But those snaires don't
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: bother me. You know. There's been many crazy things said
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: about me, but people know me, know me, and they
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: know my hot what's the craziest thing. I think the
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: thing with Puff might have been the craziest thing that
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I heard. And again, I'll say this a lot of people,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, well Jaguar right allegedly says something
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: crazy about me and Puffy, But again, Puffy is a
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: kid to me, and I even feel for Puff, like again,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: you got documentary, you got I didn't. I won't because
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: again I just you know, I'm not a dude that
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: you looked it up what she said, right So, allegedly
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: it was said that me and Puffy has some kind
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: of homosexual relationship or something. Right now she said, she
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: said a lawyer walked in right now. Again, we could
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: take two theories at this. Is she still talking? When
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: was the last time you heard from Jaguar right.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Every day?
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: Online? Something?
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: But I mean it's her, it's her presence, felt like
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: when she's just torturing these A list artists. So again
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: she included me in a little something. I'm not mad,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: but again, Jean and genas Gene is actually an old
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: friend of mine, and he cleared it up. No, he
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: cleared me up. He was like, First of all, he
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: was like, no, totally, he totally said the opposite. But
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: he got into it a little bit with me because
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: he felt like I was saying like I sunned him.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: But me and Gene always had respect for each other.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I just don't go into those areas. Again, I'm not
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: part of Pop's business. I knew Puff as a kid.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I knew Puff who used to run behind Mark Bonds
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: in Washington because again I'm a o G. They were
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: like groovy Liu and all the people uptown they're my
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: little brothers. So when it was said, you know my
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: boys like Willie D and Prince and them, was like, yo,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: you gotta respond. So I wound up going on Willie
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: D's I don't know if I can say his name,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: and I said, I'm for this one time. I'm a
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: clear air because I was on the time during the
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: cruise and there was a gentleman who I think was
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: you know, he was of the other persuasion. He likes
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: the colors and all that. He was in the front
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: of the audience and I was like, yo, I don't
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: know why he's at the front of the stage with
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: all these girls. We were the times, and he just
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: kept saying he don't want no girls, you know, he
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: kept saying crazy stuff. So I had to stop the show.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: And again I had to figure out, like you said,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: not to let my emotions of the momentary disrespect dictate
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: what was going to come out my mouth. So I
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: felt like I cleared it up. But you know how
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: we are, we like we go to wrong. We want
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: to see the lion eat the human. That's human nature.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: That's why we watched MMA, That's why we watched Tyson
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: crush people. A part of us is carnivorous, and it's
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: partly because of what we've been taught to eat too.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: That's a whole nother long story, but basically we just
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: deflected it by clearing it up. But I think that's
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: the craziest thing because, for one, Puff's always been a
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: kid to me. Again, I was there when Jimmy Love
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: was screaming in his face this close, telling him to
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: go get the cheesecake from Jimmy's when Uptown was in
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Brooklyn and they were getting threatened by Brooklyn dudes. So
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: they were calling us from the Bronx to come down
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: and help them. So Jimmy and then would come up
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: to College Avenue in the Bronx one hundred seventy street
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: and they'd be like, YO, were getting pressured, we need help.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: So again, I wanted to get in music. This was
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: my opportunity, and that's how I met Teddy and al
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Me and al formed the friendship, and so did Me
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: and Teddy, but Teddy was with Gene Griffin and Jean.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: I knew Jane in the street through Bill Underwood. You
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: know I'm a young knough, but at the same time,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I'm now twenty, so the forty year old was like,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: he can't handle me. I'm bro don't even do it
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: to youself. So I was like, okay. I was always
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: the champion for somebody getting abused, somebody getting mishandled, and
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: that's how me and Al became friends. And the first
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: thing in my career that experience again was his fame,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: and I was al stunt double. So Jimmy Love and
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Andre would send me out one door. The crowd would
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: be like, oh my godness, I'll be sure, and they'd
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: run after me and then they'd take Al out the
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: back door. So that was my first just the music,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to sign uptown, but I realized that
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: was never going to happen. So at the time I
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: was dating Stacy and she was getting gigs. I think
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: she had just done the Cosby Show. And again, because
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I was in a different kind of business, I would
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: send Stacey to auditions in town cars and she'd be fly.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: You know, she wasn't missing a beat, she just wasn't
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: as famous as some of the other girls she was
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: up against. And she finally got a movie called Enemy Territory.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget this. Kadeem Hardistan, Ray Parker Jr. Anthony Todd,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Peter Wise. A lot of old heads were in it,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: and they were peeking in Stacy's dressing room watching her
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: get dressed. So I'm on College Avenue. She calls me.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Me and two of my friends ride down on our motorcycles.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Dow Alphabet City shut the whole movie down. So these
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: were things that I had to learn that they were
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: not advantageous to my career, and they were emotional things
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: that I was trying to represent something that really wasn't me.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: That's honorable, though, you know what I'm saying. But if
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: a woman called you when she feels uncomfortable.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: And they were caught, they were literally watching her for day,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: So again I was irate. So again I got blamed
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: for it. But I'm always blamed for a reaction. I'm
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: never again. Oh no, they never filmed again. They never again.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: You know, I want to ask me when we talk
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: about systems.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Right, that's why no one knows about enemy terrorists.
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: When we talk about these systems that we know exists,
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: how much of this stuff we see? What people like
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: puff is learned, behaviors learned, and it's sad.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: That's why I said, people, people I know, listen, I
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: like you, Charlamagne, a lot of the goofy stuff. I'd
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: be like, man, it's sad that this is because again
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: it's people are looking at you. People are looking at us.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: And when you have a success story like sugar Puff,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: it's like you want someone to get it, like you
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: want something to be like, yo, I can touch this,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: this is tangible, I can do this. But then when
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: you start to have an overflow of negative condenttation from it,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: it starts to really be like damn, why is Holmes
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: moving like this? But again, I can't dictate or I
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: don't have a real judgment over anything. I have my opinion,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: like I don't get down with nipple milk, you know
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm just saying I don't get down
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: with that. But at the same time, I'm gonna be honest.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: I hope that whatever he has to go through, he
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: comes out of it, you know. I hope that he
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: realizes who he is and finds a real path for
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: what he is supposed to be doing with his life.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Because he's a Puffs probably the hardest work I've ever
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: seen in music. I don't know if I can say
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: he's the most talented person, but he's probably one of
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: the hardest workers. But again, I knew Puffy the kid,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know the Icon, the mogul and all that.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: So just to say as far as him, man, I
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: hope that whatever he has to go through it because again,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: we all have nice lives. Imagine having to go to
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: a cell and you got to be around a bunch
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: of dudes all day and he's now learning a new system.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Jail is a different life. It's a whole different life.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: You know, your head gotta be on a swivel twenty
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: four seven. And that money that you can give to commissary,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: yeah that's cool. But if that ever jumps out of pocket,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: you got a whole nother You got a whole nother thing.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: And then it forces you to say, am I going
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: to be the victim? Or am I going to be
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the animal? And once you join into that, it's over
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: because once you stab a few people and all that
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: your eye and eargates open. You send a boy to
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: ward eighteen. He's not a killer until he sees murder,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: but once he sees that and he comes back. You're
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: asking this dude to be a civilian, but he's now
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: a murderer. He's desensitized from murder, So cutting somebody's throat,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: shooting somebody in the face is again this is programmed.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: And then they make one of these people opposed a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: child for mental illness. So no, this is what's bredding him.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: This is what's bredding him. There's no these this government
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: food is left in the urban projects for a reason,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: they're called projects, and now they're housing authorities for a reason.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: So again it's not like again I'm not on a mission.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: These are all things that have been said. We tend
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: to get the popular quota of today. Like everybody thinks
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: health comes from doctor Sabe. No dis to the late
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: great doctor Sabe. But Dick Gregory and people long before
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Dick Gregory were preaching the same thing exactly, you know,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: and our four yeah, our Forefather's third Good Marshall, cryptosactist
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Frederick Douglass. These people fought for our rights. We've been
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: told they were certain things. These were all Republicans. We
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: are the innovative party. All this stuff has been stripped
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: from us, and it's not again, I truly believe that
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: if the shoe is on the other foot, the conditions
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: would not be this way. They wouldn't be this way.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: We have empathy, we have compassion, and that's how we
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: lost it by trust. Now there are some people like
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: people would argue, well, how did the Again, we're not
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: all from Africa. We're gonna prove that the now rivers
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: the Mississippi River. If you read how the river runs,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: it's the only river that operates that way. So all
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: of this stuff has been turned around so that we
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: feel like we're just with the picture. And that Smithsonian
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: dictates you look at this picture as a black kid
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: with beautiful skin, white eyes, and white teeth, and they
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: got a seated watermelon. Watermelon is the fruit of the gods,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: but it's depicted to be like you a porch monkey,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: because I want you to feel like a porch monkey.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: So I watched sisters in the sixties and seventies feel
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: like Naomi Campbell wasn't fine, so they said she was fine.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Beverly Johnson was as fine until they said she was fine.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Black is fine. Black has always been fine. So now
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: the light skins are not fine. Me and you ugly.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Now we're always fine, brother were now out of pocket.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: In the nineties we had no presence. Obama splash Brothers. Nah,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: we're gone. The nineties, well the two but again Obama
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: splash brothers. Where we go. We're all one. Frankie Beverley
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: said it the best way you can say it. We
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: really are one when you get to the truth of
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: it all with one. But we're not treated like that,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: So I was going to ask before we get away
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: from the systems thing and hearing what you're saying and
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 6: you talk about did he being able to like basically
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: rehabilitate Do you think being in the system will rehabilitate
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: him the way that he should be or should he
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: have been there?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Only he can free his mind from mental slavery. Only
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: he can. They'll teach him systems. They'll almost make him
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: feel secure that now he's a he's had some Now
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: you got street crag. So they'll pit him into that.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: And then he's gonna carry the burden of carrying inmates
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: and correcting their lives and giving them opportunities. But only
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: if he leads properly will he do that. The same
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: thing with the Honods Elijah Muhammad. He stands before thousands
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: and thousands of men, millions of men around the world.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: If they find one single hair missing out of pocket,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: that's not who he says he is. They're waiting for that,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: just like they were. They were waiting for Obama. If
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Obama had it done with Bill Clinton done, oh my God,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: get a little head in the Oval office.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: Damn right, like like what she just asked you.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: I'm glad that you said it, because he already has
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: like a program.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Do whatever to you.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: It is something like that, like he has like inmates
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: can like he's giving him game on something. But you
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: can't teach somebody something if you're not well again.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I'll go back to the church. They say Jesus was
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: a Hebrew and he's spoken Aramaic. He taught Aramaically. What
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: pastor the church you go to can speak Hebrew Aramaic
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: in America.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: That's not speaking tongues.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: No tongues. Tongues is the spiritual connection between the Trinity.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: That's why it's an utterance. That's the words saying. Aramaica
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: is a language. It's in the Middle East somewhere. I
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: don't want to say the wrong thing. But again, the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: way he taught in his journey was a love journey.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: That's why I was just in the mountains with Benny
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Hannon and my pastor. When I was going to church
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: in O six, I met a brother named doctor Dimitri Bradley,
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  Speaker 1: who really touched my life because he was a teacher,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: not a pastor. And we went through the book and
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: I remember one day I pondered, I said, I started
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: looking at all these great moves of God Kendeth Copeland.
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  Speaker 1: But even when you look the history of religion, if
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: you have a turn on a religious ceremony from the sixties,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: you see Billy Grahama saying, if you've seen you die,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be burning brimstoning, You're gonna go to hell. How
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  Speaker 1: would a gapier loving father talk like that? Would you
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  Speaker 1: talk to your kids like that? Would you talk to
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  Speaker 1: your kids like that? So, why would a sovereign father
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  Speaker 1: talk to his kids like that? Why how would he
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  Speaker 1: do that? And if he forgives us for all of
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: these things, as a creator of all things, why would
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  Speaker 1: he send us to a master? Would you send your
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: kids to a master? But we do it unknowingly when
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  Speaker 1: we send them to public school or we send them
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  Speaker 1: to mont we feel like, oh we've arrived because now
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: I'm paying for Montessiri school or private school. We relyed,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: but now they're just And I learned this by my
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  Speaker 1: kids going to Harvard. My children went to Harvard, the
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  Speaker 1: biggest systematic joint you can get in. And my son
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: is like, this is garbage because all I am is
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: hired at the top tier of this same farm, the
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  Speaker 1: same system that was created in nineteen forty one, an
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: economy by the Rothschilds. And if you go back in
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: history and check the whole families, the twelve thirteen families,
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  Speaker 1: the old re God, you'll see all of this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: If you look on your birth skill forget, you see
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  Speaker 1: you're owned by the Crown Corporation. There is there is
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: a bank account with your name on it with millions
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: of dollars in it that you can never touch.
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  Speaker 7: My cousin, that's so crazy that you're saying is And
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: I be honest. My cousin had tried to tell me
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 7: about Roth's Child's like a couple of years ago, and
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: I thought she was crazy, like because she she went
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  Speaker 7: down a rabbit hole man and she ain't really have
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  Speaker 7: a lot of friends that me and my cousin like this,
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  Speaker 7: you know.
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  Speaker 2: So was she trying to tell me the stuff.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not receptive of it because I never heard anything
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: about it, and she's trying to teach me, and I'm
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: just like, not, like, come on you this thirteenth day.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 7: This the thirteenth day, you.
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  Speaker 2: Calling me about this.
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  Speaker 1: So I got other stuff to do. But like she's like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: you really need to get into it.
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  Speaker 7: So to hear you saying it now, you know, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I kept telling her she was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're all we all are incorporated into this system
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  Speaker 1: because again, there's only so much time in the day.
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  Speaker 1: We got to get to what we're trying to get to.
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  Speaker 1: So again that's why I say I learned these things
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: with a clean open heart, not for judgment. I'm not bitter.
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  Speaker 1: I understand exactly what it is. But love is the
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  Speaker 1: only thing that's going to conquer this thing. We keep
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: searching for a ballot, we keep searching for a savior.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: And government they're all on the same team. It's all
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: one government. They're all on the same team. Blue, red,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: all of that stuff. When you mix it together, it's purple.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: What is the significant purple. What does that mean? In
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: the color system of America? They said Prince was weird.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: It's easy to get to it. It's like the purple
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: was evil. It was some kind of weirdness about it.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: And people are like, well, where you going with the colors?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: Everything in this system? Every word? Okay, let's go at midnight.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Who can prove midnights in the middle of the night
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: one day of the year. I want somebody to do
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  Speaker 1: that and call into the show because it never happens.
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  Speaker 1: Who can prove that the word midnight falls in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the evening one day out of three hundred
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: and sixty five years. It doesn't we learn words like civilization.
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  Speaker 1: They told they spend four husand four million dollars on
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  Speaker 1: milk will do your body good. Milk is the worst
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: thing you could put in your body. We're the only
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: mammals who go past suckling from our mother's and our
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: mother's milk is designed for us, not other children. But
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: out when we were taking care of their children, they
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: were drinking our milk. So again, all of this stuff,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: I call it the porch monkeyism. And it's hard to
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: get out of it because it's covered through everything. We
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: go to church and say we have been given dominion
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  Speaker 1: of everything and all therein we are sovereign. How we
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: sovereign getting taxed? And how does our president escape tax
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: because he knows America is a corporation and he uses
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: the corporate law of America to use against America, which
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: we don't. There's a lot of brothers here who sign
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  Speaker 1: up to be They get their paperwork, they can't be arrested,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: they have to go to the embassy. But isn't it
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: ironic that if you take that and become free, you
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: can't own anything. You can't own anything here, You can't
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  Speaker 1: own anything in your name. They don't teach us to
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: open up irrevocable trust, to live through trust. They don't
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: teach us that. And then getting to that is like
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: you need an opportunity to get to that. So then
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: once you get to it, they're trying to move you
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: so fast through your stardom and your vanity that you're like, oh,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: I'll catch up later, and then before you know it,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: you're going through your first tail spin because you didn't
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: stick to what your path is. I always say this,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Aini Comosi is one of the greatest artists. I ever met.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: He got in, got his bread, he robbed them and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: went back to Jamaica. Here comes a hot step bar.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: I'm theo lyrical gangster. Give me your money and I'm out.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: And if you call me to leave you for dead,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: period Now that's not my approach, but I respect that.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: He was like, this is such sewage is so bittersweet,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: because life is sweet, this business is beautiful. We get
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: to watch creatives. That's why in my hiatus, I was
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: able to sit back and be a fan again, like
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid watching Marvin Gay and Luther
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Vangels and James Enwin. I just became a fan and
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I was cool with that, and it only sharpened my
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: knife as a creative. And the only person that convince
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: you that is good. It can't be when they say
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: or when you get an award. It has to be
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: before that ever happens. Because again, before you became Charlemagne,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: who believed you, but you, other than your mother or
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: someone that you had close to you, you believe it,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: no matter what obscacles were put before you or what
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: things didn't work out. I'm a baseball player. I never
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: care about striking out. I only care about the home
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: run or the triple double, or the walk, the bunt,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: whatever I gotta do to advance the game.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: Now, I think God gives us all clear visions, and
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: at some point, just going through this process of life,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: if we don't stay focused on that vision, God gave
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: us the world and just distract us and we start
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: seeing all types of other things and start seeing ourselves
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: in ways that we aren't naturally.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: Designed to be. And you're right, and it's a beautiful distraction,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: because again, who doesn't like stuff? But it's a matter
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: of whether the stuff becomes a deity. And when that happens,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: then we start witnessing again, whether it's Bill Cosby or
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: my brother who I love, Rob Kelly, or my basketball
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: nemesis or a puff or Russell. Don't we see the signs?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Shug Yo. We used to have an office. We called
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: it the Red Room at Death Row. This dude had
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: publishing checks. I think the lowest check was two hundred
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: and eighty grand Wow. And it was a wall full
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: of publishing checks.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Are you the reason that he was gonna sign Jodasy
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: and Mary J.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Blige? Yes? I brought Javonte, me and Eric b not
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: just me, Me and Eric Be and again, I'm sorry
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: it happened. I was you know what's funny, Charlamagne the
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Knight that Tupac got shot. Me and Eric B and
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Snoop's uncle got together and we were like, we ain't
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: going to Vegas because we can literally feel you ever
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: been in a room that's so thick. We of course,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: we never thought it would be Pac dying. But I
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: always say this, like, Yo, my nigga, y'all killed hip hop.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: You killed Biggie and Pac. Imagine if those brothers were
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: making cop movies together, or making filmed or did a
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: record together. Imagine if Michael Whitney and Prince were here
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: to unite, the whole world would listen to something united
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: with those three people involved. Who is y'all you said
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: y'all killed big Whoever was behind all of this nonsense
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: about hating each other? And I don't mean us here,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: and I don't mean to generalize it, but I don't
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: know as a fact too. Of course I have an
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: idea because I know a lot of stuff. But again
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: today I don't know where snitching comes from. There's honor
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: and being a snitch. Now young business on ig snitching
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: on themselves I'm like, where do they get this unmanly behavior?
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: And they think this is hot and it's a setup
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: because again they're like, listen, that money you pull out
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: on the table, that's all you got. You don't even
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: know how to make that money work for you. It's
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: gonna work actually against you. So that's what a lot
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: of ocbars about too, is like I want young kids
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: to see like, yo, instead of getting a fight and
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: killing each other, let's get in a fight and be like, yo,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: I took it twenty thousand dollars and I put it
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: in a roth. Ira F you, nigga, damn f you what.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Somebody goes to jail for twenty years, they come home
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: to eight hundred million dollars. They ain't got to ask
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: nobody for nothing. You ain't got to be supreme asking
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: people like yo, I need you to put me back on.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: You're already on, because obviously you are a smart businessman,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: just in their illegal business. Right saw that and trading places.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: We saw a bomb depicted as Eddie Murphy who outsmarted
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: the Wall Street cats the system, and they laughed so
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: trucklingly as they done it until they were broke, because
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: that's their deity what they stole. They didn't earn nothing,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: they stole it, and then they make us feel like
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: we're half we're nothing, we're less y'all trying to get
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: to our bag. No, we're trying to get what was ours.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: And we're dealing with this mentally because we're out of alignment.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: So I feel for Puff and r. Kelly and these
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: people because again, imagine going from living in Florida in
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: his house or living wherever his homes are, to living
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: in a cell. He can't even die is here Joe
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: can't even get them, no color, no doubt. But again,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: like you said earlier question, charloam Mane, I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: sometimes if it was sexy or there were depictions of
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: of men who are trying to build men up respect women.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I've come from that my whole life.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: I'm saying I had to get over that, even spreading
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: myself then as a young person, I don't do that
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: no more. I'm looking for one good one or maybe two,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: but a big shot.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: The life.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, we do have a character that would
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: fit you. And I'm really a fan, just like for real,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I've seen your comedy I never I was at your
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: show in Detroit, and I never said I was in
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: the building. I just was. I wanted to see you
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: do your thing. And I was like, funny as hell.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: It's hard to be funny when you're sexy. It's hard
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: to be funny when you're sexy because it's not.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Mentioned.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he got one. Wednesday, we were talking out Doc,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: I call him Doc. Doc used to rap. So his
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: testimony was like he was in the street. They were
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: getting ready to serve him with twenty five years, and
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: he said he had been in Church's whole life. The
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: first time he ever got on his knee and he prayed.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: The next day he went to go get sentenced. Everything released. Wow,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: he made a covenant with the creator, and he says,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't make a promise. I made a covenant. There's
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: a difference. Just like words of power. They had us going,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: we'll give you liberty. You know what liberty means. I
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: give you niggas permission. That ain't freedom, that's liberty. So
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: he taught me what that spiritual freedom was. Even though
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: it was through a system that wouldn't work for me
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: per se, it doesn't mean it doesn't work for other people.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: But I had to give back to the grail of everything,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: where we come from, who we are, what these lands
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: really mean, Like you know, telling us that ten thousand
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: slaves built pyramids and all that weird ood stuff. All
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: that stuff is just indoctrination and its lies, and it's
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: not to be hated, but it's to be basically ascertained
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: in oneself and then find the balance in it. And
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: how can you get to a place where your life
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: can be enriched so that you can enrich somebody else's life.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: That's really what's about so limited freedom, justice for all?
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: What is it free? I don't like it because it
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: does do I mean? Have you felt free your whole life? Honestly?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe inside, but when you see the parallels of
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: people and the fact that your acts to cast.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: If we're wearing an oppressive system.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: But I've always felt, well, see, that's the power of
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: what's in you. And that needs to be something learned
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: by people. Especially we see all these kids going through
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: mental health. They've got to be spoken into because a
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: lot of what's being spoke into them is like, Okay,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: we'll fix you with add or that you take this drug,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: you take that drug, you take this drug. It's not
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: helping anybody. It's just going back into a system where
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: drugs are still the most powerful entity, along with hair
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: care products, land value and all these different things. And
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: these are the things that we are less involved in.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: They're all in our communities, but we don't own any
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: of it. So that's a strength that you have that
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: maybe just in that needs to be taught to some kids,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: because young black men are struggling with who they and
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: having the confidence say yeah, I see all this like
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: we're acts to cast a vote. You know what cast
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: means witchcraft? No, I want you to cast something a vote.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Who here is pleased with any votes that they've made
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: in the last since they were adults. That's something that
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: is an uncomfortable conversation because there's all these systems in place,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: the Blue against the Red, the House against the Senate,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: but it's all the same team. Every brick in DC
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: is an indoctrination of slavery. Every brick, every done that's
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: houses kids that are being destroyed under the Getty Museum,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: in all these places. This can't go on in humanity.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: So again, music is a soother. So if I've been
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: given the gift of music, and my music does something
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: for people. My music usually makes people feel romantic or
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: feel good. But while I'm going in my journey, I
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: gotta be real about what I am in the music.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: We don't. We become this thing because of vanity and
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: success and money, and it becomes a deity. But like
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: somebody mentioned Bruce Lee earlier, what did he say? Numbers
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: are what infinite? So you could chase numbers forever. You
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: become a billionaire. I guarantee you want to be a trillionaire.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: You become a trillionaire, I guarantee you want to become
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: a zillionaire. So you could go on and on and on.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: But you're chasing a number and there's only nine numbers
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: in the whole number system. Other than that, it just
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: goes another another, but it's only zero to nine. Those
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: are the only numbers. So we've been taught time is wrong,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: our mathematics are wrong, the power of what we speak
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: out of our tongue is wrong. So we're up against
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. And then we're going, well, why
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: do I feel off? Why am I mentally depressed? Because
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: this is the crap that we've been served up and
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: we believe it.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: We're not in the by alignment.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 7: So when you bring it all back to music, everything
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 7: that you're saying, right, it is perfect for your album
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 7: War and Peace because you teaching through your music.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Ye, War and Peace, and because this Phy and Watch
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: one piece, and I think that it's really a perfect
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: depiction of we try to assimilate. Especially with a Christopher
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Williams record. I think me and Vince and Vince sees me.
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  Speaker 1: He knows how to simulate who I am as a
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  Speaker 1: man and the message in my music. We're not taking
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  Speaker 1: the romance or the good feeling out the music, but
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  Speaker 1: there's a simulation in each message. War and peace, who's
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  Speaker 1: gonna win Peace? But we're gonna show you the War
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  Speaker 1: two because we got to keep it a buck. We
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  Speaker 1: gotta keep it real. We have to show you that
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  Speaker 1: these challenges in a relationship assimilate the same way as
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  Speaker 1: the challenges in life. And you'll hear that in the music.
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  Speaker 1: I think good Enough is a perfect example that it is. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to I hope my best is good enough.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to lose your love. It could be
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  Speaker 1: Aero's love, it could be child love, it could be
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  Speaker 1: brotherly love. I don't want to lose your love. And
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  Speaker 1: it's hard for black men to say that, like I
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  Speaker 1: love Charlamage. When I was coming in today, you know,
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  Speaker 1: my friends will brob like yo, you know he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: attack you, He's gonna get you. I'm like, I'm like, damn.
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  Speaker 1: His reputation proceeds again, and you you got to have
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  Speaker 1: an experience with somebody to say listen, and I go
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  Speaker 1: into it open heartily. Even if there was a conversation
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  Speaker 1: here that wasn't so positive, we could agree to disagree
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  Speaker 1: to talk you about the stuff. Well, I'm open to
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  Speaker 1: talking about it again. A lot of it again is
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  Speaker 1: the same contempt, jealousy. And this man is successful. People
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  Speaker 1: hear his name every day. People know people know you,
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  Speaker 1: not even from here, people know you from different things.
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  Speaker 1: You're not just a comedian, You're not just a personality.
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  Speaker 1: You're a lot of different things. So people get a
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  Speaker 1: preconceived notion, just like I've heard people walk up to
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  Speaker 1: me and be like, I thought you'd be arrogant. Why
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  Speaker 1: because I'm light skinned. If anybody should be arrogant, it
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  Speaker 1: should be Sidney Poitier. Absolutely, have you seen pictures of
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  Speaker 1: his name we heven twenty four years old and no more.
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  Speaker 1: But none of that. Yes, but the talent him and
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  Speaker 1: Harry Belafonte should be arrogant. Yeah, God bless their souls.
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  Speaker 1: And again big shout out to his daughters. I went
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  Speaker 1: to purchase with his daughters. So again all these bread
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  Speaker 1: crumbs from a little dude from eating wall projects. So
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  Speaker 1: I've been blessed.
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  Speaker 7: Is it a song on an album called bread crumbs?
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  Speaker 7: Because you love saying bread crown it?
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  Speaker 5: Well?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. Funny day. The other day, Vincent was
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  Speaker 1: having a conversation and I said rebirth. He wrote a
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  Speaker 1: song rebirth him was sick Pit.
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  Speaker 3: Food A long way man, This is good enough. The
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  Speaker 3: other song, the other song you mentioned all the time too.
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  Speaker 3: We can get that song too, Vince, what was the Gentleman?
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  Speaker 1: Is it?
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  Speaker 5: What is it?
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  Speaker 1: That's a great record.
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  Speaker 5: But this song called Gentleman is incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Christian mentioned.
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  Speaker 5: We can't.
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  Speaker 8: He's he has Divante on the album Swiss Beats, Troy Taylor,
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  Speaker 8: Troy Oliver, Brian Michael Cox, who else, Belly Sick Pins,
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  Speaker 8: Sean Garrett, Rico Love just incredible. This guy's voices forhen
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  Speaker 8: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Again, one thing again, I get a kick out of it,
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  Speaker 1: because again I get a kickout of events because again
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  Speaker 1: I met him when he was fourteen years old. So
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  Speaker 1: again to watch him go through this whole gamut and
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  Speaker 1: to me beat again, we don't little get to see
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  Speaker 1: like a black Man Usher the greatest, one of the
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  Speaker 1: greatest white artists ever, one hundred and.
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  Speaker 8: Seventy million albums today, black man from King Jersey, pop
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  Speaker 8: star in the world. No, but it's a blessing. Like
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  Speaker 8: Chris don't believe in me. I don't meet him at fourteen.
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  Speaker 8: He doesn't give you my first thousand dollars ago in
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  Speaker 8: the studio. I never meet none of you guys. I
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 8: never meet Gaga. None of that never happens. But this
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 8: guy believed in me and saw something in me. And
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  Speaker 8: I'm like, all I'm not is paying it for he
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  Speaker 8: believed in me. You gave me an opportunity when no
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 8: one knew who I was. Like I fell in love
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  Speaker 8: with Edgeward, I fell in love with a bmw all
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  Speaker 8: because like you said, we learned from our you know,
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  Speaker 8: our people.
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  Speaker 5: In our behavior to be around and I just.
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  Speaker 1: Shoes white.
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  Speaker 8: But no, now I'm able to make this great album
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  Speaker 8: wh him like this is probably the best R and
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  Speaker 8: B album I've ever made in my life. WHOA Like,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 8: it's that really good? And even that he talked about
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  Speaker 8: the thing for book, I just to give you guys,
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  Speaker 8: I just brought Tomaino on and Ta Main's gonna be
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  Speaker 8: the musical supervision for the for the bookwat.
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  Speaker 2: And you definitely definitely got so you already sold the show.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we gotta deal right now, HBO.
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  Speaker 8: Come on, Wow, I don't want to sugar cread congratulate
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  Speaker 8: HBO and me and Chris are executive producer and producer
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  Speaker 8: there together and the people they're just it's just a
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  Speaker 8: beautiful time to be able to do this with people
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  Speaker 8: that have done something for you in your life, like
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  Speaker 8: uplifting each other and supporting each other. Like that's just
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  Speaker 8: like when I talk to Jermain about these events. Of course,
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  Speaker 8: whatever you guys want to do, I'm just happy to
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  Speaker 8: have the Jamaie never did a music supervision for any
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 8: project in his life.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, there's all these hits. He's there and made all
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: these records and it never did me.
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  Speaker 8: But we don't get that opportunity because we don't look
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 8: at each other to help each other. It always goes
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  Speaker 8: to the other side, and it's like I made Universal
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 8: three billion dollars with Gaga. I got to make sure
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 8: this time I'm incorporating my people, you know, and making
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 8: sure that they're able to get a bit because when
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  Speaker 8: I met her, she was got dropped from deaf Jam.
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  Speaker 8: They gave me two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to
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  Speaker 8: make an album. I've signed two x that day, and
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  Speaker 8: the spent eight million dollars.
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  Speaker 5: In the other girls. There were three little white girls,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: and we so one hundred and seventy million dollars a.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: Day, and those three white goes you don't even hear
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  Speaker 2: from them.
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  Speaker 8: Jimmy wanted to make the album. He spent eight million dollars.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know what you know but that and then god,
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  Speaker 8: Guy's nominated. It's a fifth time getting nominated for how
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  Speaker 8: many years. It's just like before my son was born.
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  Speaker 8: So now it's just like thirteen years later. It's a blessing,
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  Speaker 8: and it's a blessing for me to be able to
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 8: do this with Chris and really make this project, the
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 8: TV show, the movie, the music, the albums phenomenal. He
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 8: sounds unbelievable, like people like write our people off and
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 8: we don't pay attention. But this guy voice is unmatched.
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  Speaker 5: It is really, really really spress good enough.
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  Speaker 7: His voice is you don't want to do good in
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  Speaker 7: the Chris, you gotta cut the I'm so crazy. And
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 7: the fact that you shouted out the artist her, right,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 7: that's what he said. When the be drops in good enough,
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  Speaker 7: it reminds me of her damage right And and like
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  Speaker 7: you said, like that was the second artist that you
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 7: said out your my best I love her.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not just because the name is her. Jeannegize and
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  Speaker 1: Sullivan all a lot of young people man like Bruno Mars,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: Andy Pack. We steal a movement. Our culture still in
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  Speaker 1: good hands musically. I think the people in my generation
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  Speaker 1: got to understand they don't make what we make. It's
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: for us to fuse into being relevant today and not
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: being afraid to be new. You don't get stuck. Like
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: youth needs wisdom, wisdom needs innovation. So when you take
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: youth out of your life, or you take elderly out
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: of your life, there's a part missing that our ancestors
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: are speaking to us right now. That's why they rolled
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: all those the stuff they wrote in those caves and
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: it's still significant thousands and thousands of years later. They
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: gonna try to explain how the pyramids and Antarctica are
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: popping up right now. They're gonna lie about that. We
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  Speaker 1: ain't gonna lie about.
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  Speaker 5: This new music.
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  Speaker 2: Look forward to this new act from y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: Congratulations right crazy with this this this TV.
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  Speaker 1: We get that out there. It's good way, good enough.
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  Speaker 2: It's the breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning.
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  Speaker 4: Hold every day a week ago, clicks up the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 1: You're finish for y'all done