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S4 72. Video Ep- My Near Death Encounter – That’s So Fringy podcast · Millennial Mustard Seed

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  All right, you guys, we're back with that So Fringy podcast.
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  I'm Rick. And I'm Kristen, and we are here
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  with our friend Rod Smith. Rod, we are so blessed to have
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  you and so grateful that you've taken the time to come on.
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  You have a podcast that we've been listening to, the
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  Millennial Mustard Seed, and we're really enjoying that and
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  just so grateful that there are others out there teaching us the
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  things that that we might be missing, you know, and that's
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  what this is all about, coming together like this.
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  So we just wanted to introduce you to the audience and and and
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  hopefully help people find a lot more outlets, a lot more people
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  to listen to so that we can get the full truth, if you
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  understand what I'm saying there.
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  I'm blown away. You got the name right on the
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  first try. Props for that, bro.
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  I'm doing so many shows in this. A tongue twister for the name.
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  And thank you for those kind words, of course.
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  No, honestly, it's it's. Amazing to find other people
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  that are likeminded that are doing the same thing because the
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  calling is going out from heaven.
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  It's there's many people that need to fulfill these roles.
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  So it's an honor for me to be here with you guys.
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  Yeah, we appreciate you saying that, man.
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  Thank. You so much.
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  We just have fun. We just, this is great.
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  We love having conversations about all of this stuff, all the
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  weird, wacky stuff that you're talking about.
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  We're talking about all that stuff, too.
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  We just might not have got to all of it yet, if you know what
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  I mean. So tell us a little bit about
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  who you are, where, how you got started and everything that
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  you're doing, because there is obviously a huge passion for
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  this stuff for you. Yeah, I mean it.
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  I've had a supernatural life my whole life, right?
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  So for me, it was just something that it never really worked
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  until I seen it in light of God's word.
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  Okay. You know, so like, I had
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  supernatural stuff kind of happen throughout my whole life
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  and. In my early 20s, I really came
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  to Christ and surrendered my heart.
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  And that's when things started to kind of like everything was
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  compounding before that. And it was a lot of confusion, a
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  lot of just misdirection. A lot of what do I do with this
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  information, You know, all of that, all that crazy fun stuff.
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  And then it started to make sense.
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  When I came to Christ, it was like things were being filtered
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  and and things were being put on the back burner.
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  That I knew were important, but they weren't for right now.
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  And other things were becoming relevant and that was more or
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  less like, do I trust him? Am I willing to say yes and keep
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  walking with him? Do I have a desire to read the
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  word and relying on him on in the small things and the big
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  things to weed out everything that my culture and my family
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  and my friends and just the world at large was literally
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  force feeding me. So yeah, it kind of starts from
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  me. I grew up outside of
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  Philadelphia, PA. I'm still in Southeastern Pai
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  keep moving further away from Philadelphia as I get older.
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  Yeah, yeah. And but yeah, it's, you know,
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  I'm a millennial. I grew up with a lot of
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  different influences, a lot of things to choose from.
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  I didn't make the best decisions when I was when I was younger.
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  I really didn't, you know, I made poor decisions, partied a
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  lot and just I grew up secular. So I didn't really know until I
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  knew, but I had like. The series of things that
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  happened, but the near death encounter was probably the
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  biggest smack to my reality check of like there's so much
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  more, there's so much more. And I couldn't kind of let that
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  one go on the back burner. That was the one that stopped
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  everything in the tracks and was like now you have to really.
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  So you didn't focus on what's happening here.
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  So, yeah, that's kind of like a 30,000 foot view quick of just
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  you know. Kind of why I'm doing what I'm
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  doing in a nutshell, no, that's awesome, man.
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  And and so this near death experience that you had, was
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  this how many years ago was this now?
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  Man, I was like 19 or 20. And it's so weird because I
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  always was like weirded out by talking about this.
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  I always felt like people are going to say, oh, he's weird.
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  Or people say they get beat up and they get like a black eye,
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  like everybody's been beat up, man.
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  And we all got those stories in and I'm like, I didn't.
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  I got stomped into the ground like these guys tried to kill
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  me, right? Right.
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  So I always just kind of felt like among everybody.
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  I was around, like people knew the story.
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  Like everybody knew what happened to me.
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  So it just was like kind of normal.
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  But what I experienced, I always felt like nobody's really going
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  to care or they're going to think I'm weird if I try to get
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  into it so. It's so weird how like now I get
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  hit up, but like people, people reach out to me.
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  I think you guys are the 3rd or 4th show within the next few
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  months. That wants to hear about my near
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  death encounter. I'm like, what?
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  Like that's that for me. That's weird because like I had
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  made-up my mind about it. This isn't, this is whatever,
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  right? But here I guess it's something
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  that when people hear these testimonies, it really helps
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  them. And the more I realize, like I'm
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  not alone, it was a let go. That I had on from the IDC from
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  the Intelligent Design Collective.
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  I think it was early last year. I'm really bad with like precise
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  timelines, but I think it was last year and he shared his near
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  death encounter and I just remember it was profound hearing
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  his and then I was like man, you know, and then talking off air
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  with different people and praying through it and like I
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  had fully forgiven these people. So I'm like there is power in
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  this. So it's just so weird now that
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  I'm like talking with other. Podcast isn't like, So what
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  happened? And I'm like, man, this is
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  crazy. Yeah, yeah.
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  Sorry, I forgot what you asked me.
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  No, you're good, man. I was just talking about the
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  near death experience, but I'll back up for a second.
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  I've told my wife before that, you know, us being millennials
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  ourselves, barely. We're barely millennials.
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  But we, you know, we're kind of rebellious, You know, our whole
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  generation is kind of rebellious there.
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  There's kind of like they started getting tattoos, they
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  started listening to rap music, they started doing like all of
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  this different stuff. And I think that that's because
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  they wanted us to do that. The, you know, they wanted us to
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  be distracted from all of the nefarious things that they were
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  doing. But what what they didn't
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  realize was going to happen, and I'm finding a lot of this how
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  God's spinning things on them is that all of us rebellious
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  teenagers are now adults with the Internet and we don't
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  believe. Anything you're saying, Yeah, we
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  don't believe anything you're saying like nothing, nothing
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  matters, you know, we're going to find out ourselves.
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  Our parents were like, no, don't touch that.
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  It's hot and we're like, please, you're like.
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  I'll find out myself, yeah. I'm all in.
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  Yeah. And so these crazy wacko
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  millennials came along and they just they just ruined their
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  plan. You know, because we don't take
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  no for an answer. We're we're rebellious teenagers
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  and we're rebellious adults. Deal with it.
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  Yeah. And I think we really are like
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  it's quite provocative because our generation is right on the
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  cusp of technology coming in full force, right.
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  So I remember like before we were getting hair on our face or
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  hair on our chest, we had these mini supercomputers.
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  I really, I remember the the chirps.
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  I think they were like the I 80s, the I 30s.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  What are you doing? Right.
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  And it was just like a walkie-talkie phone, but it was
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  like a phone. I think it was a next cell, but
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  like now that's a Cardi B call. Yeah, I can't keep up with all
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  this new stuff now, but we're right on this cause yeah, we're
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  like we grew up kind of playing down the by the river and we're
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  working and you know being real kids but then being kind of
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  warped into this technology realm.
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  You know where people false personify themselves where you
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  can be or act however you want to be in this world.
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  You can look at anything you want to look at in this world.
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  And the millennial generation we're we're way more important
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  than people gives us trader for because of being on that cusp.
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  So yes, we're we're an experiment to they right they
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  these elites who have terrible plans in mind and God is
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  flipping the script on them because he he specializes in
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  coming in and being like, oh. You know what?
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  What does it say? Only Proverbs.
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  He's like he he laughs at those who plan against God.
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  He he's mocking them like, OK, everything you've got.
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  You do don't have a backup plan for what God is going to do and
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  he's going to take the weak things of this world and use it
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  to confound the wise and to do the.
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  It's just I'm excited for what? What's coming?
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  Because I know God has been kind of whispering things to me
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  secretly and I'm hearing other people from other like, I guess
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  you could say like little. Codes or little hangout spots
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  within Christianity, and they're echoing the same thing.
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  And we're all starting to find out who's who.
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  And I'm like, God, you're building an army, yeah.
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  It's great. I'm not standing in his way.
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  I'm on board. I'm all in.
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  I'm like, you're pinned, right? So, yeah, the enemy is not going
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  to last long with what he thought was our destruction is
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  going to be his downfall. Yeah, exactly.
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  Right. So let's ring.
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  Let's run us back to this near death experience because, you
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  know, we we threw out the the hook.
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  We got the listeners in and they're ready to hear it.
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  And I'm ready too. You got me hooked.
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  You had a near death experience and you said you were about 19.
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  So let's dig into it. What happened there?
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  Yeah. So I am this is May and I think
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  I'm 19 or 20. Right.
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  And I go to a house party and it's it's just we're we're
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  partying. Personally, like, I'm not
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  ashamed to say it, I haven't smoked weed in a long time since
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  I came to the Lord nine years ago when we were smoking and we
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  were drinking and we were partying and this party gets
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  crashed. I I mean, I go to bed probably
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  around like 1:30 in the morning and I get woken up.
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  So I'm on the third floor of this house and one of my friends
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  comes up and wakes me up frantically.
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  I don't know, maybe 3:00 AM, maybe 2:30.
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  And he's like, yo, these guys crash the party.
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  I had two of my friends that got beat up real bad that he is,
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  like, kind of interceding for like, yo, we got to get them and
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  get out of here or you got to come down here and try to help.
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  It was just chaotic. So I come, I wake up and I come
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  down and I peek outside and it's like a long, you know, like face
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  to this, this house. And I look this like to the
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  right and I look to the left and I just see three guys over there
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  and I'm like, yo, did you jump my first?
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  Because I was just going to, you know, I mean, I'm not a fighter,
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  but I could fight, you know, and I was going to run up on
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  somebody and just be a part of the action, I guess.
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  I don't know. Well, I I get over there and a
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  guy comes out of like out of one of the like the little cobbies
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  or like little hallway looking things or whatever you want to
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  call it and and literally hits me in the right side of my face
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  and. And they, these were no punks,
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  you know, These were, they were skinheads from Norristown, PA.
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  So this is a bunch of white guys who jumped this party.
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  Now, two of my best friends, one of them was half black and half
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  Irish, and the other one was Cecilian, but he looked like
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  maybe he was Dominican at 3:00 in the morning, right?
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  So I look like the white guy hanging out with these colored
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  cats. But this is these are my my
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  dudes, right? So they catch me and they they
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  just start whooping on me. And I fought back.
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  I think I. Broke one of the guys ribs.
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  I remember I fell into a guy and wrapped around him and was
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  squeezing and I heard a pop and so people that he started
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  yelling. And all of these guys, I think
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  there was eight of them total and like bystanders that like
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  weren't for me either, but like 8 of them were putting in work
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  on me, right? They were.
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  And I slowly just just started to kind of fade.
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  Like I knew what was happening. I knew I was getting hit from my
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  sides behind in my in my head and.
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  I knew it wasn't good, but I had never through physical trauma
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  entered into a place where I'm like, I'm losing complete
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  function, right? So I kind of feel like I fell
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  into this place and then I was trying to sit up out of my body,
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  but my body was there. But but me, like who I am, was
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  coming up out of my body and. Really.
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  I mean, this experience was something that just at that
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  level messed me up for a long time.
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  Like PTSD from it. Trying to understand how to, how
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  to understand what's really going to happen when I die.
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  Yeah, you begin to process that, You know, like what the heck,
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  How do you separate from your body?
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  You know, like what does that even look like?
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  And and, you know, just so you know, we believe you
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  wholeheartedly. You know, we've gone on deep
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  rabbit trails, you know, documentaries and you know,
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  looking it up ourselves and just, you know, there's so much
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  going on out there that we've been kind of told you're not
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  allowed to talk about that. You know, like you that's not
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  Christian or that's not this or that's not that and you're just
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  like well, like, but does it happen, you know, going back to
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  us being millennials, like wait but wait a second, does it
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  happen And you're like, well, there's a couple stories on the
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  Internet where people have said that and you're just like boom,
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  where what's website? And so we're just going deep now
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  on and and and you're finding corroboration all throughout the
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  world and and it's getting to the point where you know we as
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  people to make a decision on whether we believe it or not.
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  Do we believe that there is a heaven?
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  Do we believe it? Because these millions of
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  documented cases of people are saying I've been there, you
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  know? And then you could probably take
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  a good chunk of that and say they're maybe lying, you know?
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  But there's a large chunk of people that had a real live
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  experience and more live than they've ever had before in their
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  whole life. And I think that's about the.
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  One where the lady she was like in an emergency room and she
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  coated and they were working on her and she like came up out of
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  her body and above the hospital and was so when she is revived
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  and comes back down she's like there's a blue shoe.
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  Up on the third floor on the railing and there's a scuff on
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  the right toe and the shoelace is under the heel, like super
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  descriptive. That's crazy.
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  And they're like okay. And then one of the doctors went
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  up and checked it out and it was true.
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  She would have had no idea that that was up there and how
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  specific. Wow.
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  Yeah, it was crazy. I think like for me, what it
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  felt like. Let me just cover that real
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  quick, and then I'll try to move on emotionally from trying to
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  recant this experience. I kind of felt like I was in
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  water, like thin pressure over my body and I didn't see any
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  lights. It was dark.
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  It was eerily dark, and it was like being in a mist a little
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  bit. And I remember trying to sit
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  back into my body, but then falling down like into the
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  ground and being like trying to find where my body was to.
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  To lay in my body cuz I didn't want, I didn't know what was
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  happening, I didn't want to come out, but that was weird.
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  And then, you know, kind of going with some.
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  Pain or anything while this was happening, like were.
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  You feeling any pain? 0 Pain?
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  Yeah, zero pain. My my brain has swelled up and
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  was tapping the inside of my skull.
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  I mean, I was swollen from the tip of my nose, which I got a
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  pretty pointy nose, so it sticks out a bit, right?
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  All the way to the back of my ear.
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  So I mean my eye was swollen shut for for weeks, you know it
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  was is what it is, right? And and my ribs and stuff, but
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  like, my face was jacked up. So yeah, so that feels like a
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  mist that you're in a water, you were saying?
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  Yeah, and it feels like you're in water and there's a feeling
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  of Like, what? Like.
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  It was weary. Yeah, it was eerie.
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  It was like dead quiet. Like I didn't hear anything but
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  and I and I remember like, my fingers didn't feel like
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  fingers, right. Like it.
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  The function there didn't feel like it does here.
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  Like when I reach for my cup here I'm in control.
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  I can feel my cup. I know I'm thinking reach for
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  the right Everything just worked.
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  We don't even think about it. I don't.
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  You know what I mean? We just do stuff.
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  But there I remember it being like, I don't know, maybe if you
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  were. Blindfolded as it's hiding
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  through in water, you just be like, I don't, there's nothing I
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  can do here. You kind of feel stuck.
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  I just remember feeling stuck. And that's why I kept trying to,
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  like, sit in my body because I didn't want to come all the way
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  out of it. And I don't have, like, a strong
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  belief in God at this time. Like, this is one of those
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  things where I didn't grow up in the church.
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  We went here and there and, you know, so I'm like, what I'm
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  dealing with is like, no, no, no, it'll come back in your
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  body. This doesn't like we don't go
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  here like this doesn't happen. Everything was cool 5 minutes
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  ago. Now I'm like tapping into this
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  realm that nobody really told me was there.
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  I don't really know where to go get information on this.
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  And so like all of that, like happened like in an instant, but
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  more or less. I didn't want to leave my body.
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  Like, I just wanted to like, Nope, I want this level of
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  function in an operation. And then it was years after that
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  that really the, you know, was the onset of like deep diving
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  into and and building up the courage to be like.
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  That was real. Now I have, I cannot not go
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  here. I don't care what anybody says,
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  like this is an experience. But I was doing that in like
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  secret space because I would try to talk about it like out loud
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  and it just bad company or bad information.
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  You can't squeeze nothing good from something bad.
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  So a lot of it was internal. But like I said, once I started
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  to get into the word and I started to understand, well,
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  that's not. Super uncommon to have, I guess
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  these minute little experiences with the spiritual realm, right,
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  where like started to get the proper context and like instead
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  of listening to the people you know, that was the development
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  of the new age information at that time, you know, I started
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  to actually get this tugging that no, no, it's in the word.
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  I'm pointing to my Bible here. So if you see me look over me,
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  stays with me, it's, it's my side piece.
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  Stays with. But yeah, so that that's what
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  kind of was the biggest shock was really dealing with it after
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  the fact because like you know it, it's kind of like moments go
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  by and then you wake up the next day, you know hospital and then
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  healing and then you know what I mean?
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  All that stuff. But like the lingering effects
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  of a near death encounter when it's not a positive one.
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  I've heard people talk about good ones.
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  I'm like cool, glad that happened for you.
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  It was dark and eerie for me, Yeah.
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  It's. Almost like scared straight, you
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  know? Like maybe that's what you
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  needed to see at that moment to get you on the right track.
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  And that's probably the biggest thing is with people who know me
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  and grew up around me as they seen how I went from super
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  chill, laid back kind of like a pothead, didn't talk too much,
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  didn't ask any questions, wasn't too, like ferocious about
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  anything. Just kind of always, always
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  chill now to like, you know, aggressively putting in.
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  What I consider to be the left hand doesn't know what the right
• 19:49
  hand's doing type of ministry like doing, you know, just going
• 19:52
  all in. And so I think that that is a
• 19:54
  lot of the testimony locally where people are like, yeah, you
• 19:57
  shifted some gears or whatever happened when you got beat up
• 20:00
  you, you started to go a different direction.
• 20:04
  So I think God used that and I don't think God plans that for
• 20:09
  us. I think it's just like it says
• 20:10
  in the word. They intended this for evil.
• 20:12
  And plus, I was making bad choices.
• 20:14
  It's not like I was protected, right?
• 20:17
  Yeah, but God is using that. So now I guess give me a
• 20:22
  testimony or story. Yeah.
• 20:25
  Yeah. Well, now you have a platform.
• 20:28
  You have a platform that God has given you to share this message
• 20:32
  and to share all of the things that you've been through,
• 20:35
  because that's one of the things like when you.
• 20:37
  When you go to church and you talk to people and they're like,
• 20:40
  what's God like? Or or what's this church thing
• 20:42
  like or whatever? And everybody tries to start
• 20:45
  giving you the church rules, but it's like, no, no, no.
• 20:48
  The church is like just what we're doing right now, just
• 20:51
  hanging out and talking. You know, like we can we can
• 20:55
  just talk. And and the fact that you have
• 20:57
  to figure out where you can sit and where you can't sit and you
• 21:01
  know when to stand and when to sit and when to kneel and all
• 21:03
  those things, it's like. Like let's have good deep
• 21:07
  meaningful conversations and I'm so I'm so grateful that you're
• 21:11
  able to talk openly about your your experience because you know
• 21:16
  I can tell it's it affects you still to this day and but you
• 21:21
  know I I know what it's like to go through PTSD and and and so I
• 21:25
  know that you when you tell me that you were having a hard time
• 21:29
  I can I can relate. I know what you're talking about
• 21:31
  because you get that trauma. In your head and and then your
• 21:34
  body remembers. Your body remembers that trauma
• 21:39
  and you have these reactions that you don't even you don't
• 21:43
  even know why it's happening. You know, is that the kind of
• 21:46
  thing that you were experiencing?
• 21:48
  It's just a lot of like, you know, how do I deal with this
• 21:52
  information type thing? Yeah well I mean like the PTSD
• 21:57
  like has worn off significantly and God has really kind of Sir
• 22:01
  planted some of that with drive to just want to know more about
• 22:05
  the word and and run the race. But they're the lingering
• 22:09
  effects that I still deal with is sometimes I'll get stuck in
• 22:11
  my head about it. And it's almost like I'm in this
• 22:15
  box of like kind of re experiencing it.
• 22:18
  And then like the trigger points of like, well, I remember how
• 22:21
  desperate and how alone and how crazy I felt while thinking
• 22:25
  about it at this part of my life.
• 22:27
  And I'll remember decisions I made, like rejecting people and
• 22:30
  kind of being a hermit. And like, it'll take me down
• 22:32
  this whole place in my own head where I'll be like that was a
• 22:35
  chain reaction that destroyed relationships and really stole,
• 22:38
  like years of my life. So, like, I think that that's
• 22:42
  like kind of like the cautious area where I would tell people,
• 22:44
  talk about it with other people because I didn't for so long.
• 22:48
  Like, I would test the waters where there were people would
• 22:50
  hear about him, like, yo, what happened?
• 22:51
  Like, tell it. Give me the inside.
• 22:53
  But it was never like there's a difference between a Christian
• 22:56
  who's got light, who has, right. They're connected, they're a
• 23:00
  branch, they have the vine. The light is in them.
• 23:02
  It is God who works innocent through us.
• 23:04
  The cause, his will to come about connecting with them is
• 23:07
  almost like therapeutic. Like you were saying, it's not
• 23:10
  church. Like there's no, like stand up,
• 23:11
  sit down. No, you can't talk about this
• 23:13
  here. That doesn't fit in with these
• 23:14
  guys, these right. When it's a real body thing,
• 23:19
  it's it's you're being ministered to, you're like kind
• 23:21
  of sharpening and sharpening. You're getting good advice.
• 23:23
  But when you don't have that, it's dangerous because you'll
• 23:27
  get stuck in those places. So sometimes I'll think about it
• 23:29
  and be like, Nope, Nope, Nope. We're not going deep diving into
• 23:33
  that experience. I'm going to get into Word and
• 23:34
  pray and then God will show me his extent of mercy, his extent
• 23:39
  of grace, his plan for my life that supersedes the traumas of
• 23:43
  the past. And that's really the balance
• 23:45
  mechanism that I'm like, God, your word.
• 23:47
  It is all that I will be on the front line.
• 23:49
  I'm not ashamed of the gospel. I'm not ashamed of this Bible.
• 23:52
  Like that's the only thing that showed me all the years I wasted
• 23:55
  in the dark by choice. Like like I was in the dark by
• 24:00
  choice. Yeah, definitely.
• 24:05
  We've all been there. None of us are exempt, you know,
• 24:08
  And the glory is we come out of that, He snatches us out.
• 24:12
  He leaves the 99. That's that's cool.
• 24:18
  Do you? So do you feel like when you
• 24:19
  were, were you like, watching yourself or was it more just the
• 24:24
  the feeling of, like, I mean, I imagine, like, if I drop the lid
• 24:29
  of my doctor pepper bottle and it's dark and I'm like, Oh my
• 24:32
  God, you know, like and I'm frantically, like looking for a
• 24:35
  bottle cap. Like it doesn't even matter.
• 24:37
  Like you're trying to find your body.
• 24:39
  Like what? How I can't imagine how
• 24:42
  terrifying that would have been. Well, the only thing I can
• 24:44
  compare it to is when I was seven, I had an out of body
• 24:47
  experience where I was far away from my body watching my body.
• 24:51
  And that was different than this.
• 24:53
  This was like I I was trying to be in my body.
• 24:56
  It's almost like just use your imagination with me.
• 24:58
  You hold your hand up. And for some reason, if, like
• 25:01
  the true essence of your hand was out of your hand, right?
• 25:05
  And you seen it, but you were trying to get it to fit back in
• 25:07
  there but it was just all over, you'd be like.
• 25:11
  I can't use this thing until me is in there, right?
• 25:13
  So yeah, it was. This was a close contact thing
• 25:16
  where I wasn't far away from my body.
• 25:18
  I didn't travel. I don't remember my my thighs
• 25:22
  and my knees leaving my body. This is like my torso up.
• 25:26
  Like because I wanted to sit up and be like, I want to defend
• 25:29
  myself. Like, you know, there's a circle
• 25:32
  of people are around me and now I'm laying on the pavement.
• 25:34
  I wanted to get up and roll and get out of the way.
• 25:36
  But as I tried to get up, I realized that what I was feeling
• 25:40
  wasn't right. I couldn't function like the way
• 25:42
  I thought I could. And that's when I realized my
• 25:45
  body was below me. I didn't look at my entire body.
• 25:49
  It was just a feeling like, you just know when you know, right?
• 25:52
  Like, it was just, I was coming out of my body, but it was all
• 25:57
  right here, like in my bubble. It wasn't because I still
• 26:00
  wrestle with what happened with that whole distance thing or
• 26:04
  whatever. Because when I was seven, I'm up
• 26:06
  in the corner of the room and I'm engulfed in light and I'm
• 26:09
  watching the younger version of me playing with a little Batman
• 26:12
  toy. I still don't know completely
• 26:15
  what to do with that, but that that was different.
• 26:17
  The feeling was different. That was warm and comfortable.
• 26:20
  And it it was, it wasn't eerie like this.
• 26:24
  This near death encounter was this was like this was dark.
• 26:27
  Yeah. It makes me think of the IT was
• 26:30
  a story of a guy that was skiing and he was in an avalanche.
• 26:34
  And when you're when you're buried in snow and you're
• 26:36
  tumbled and like he, you know you don't know which way is up,
• 26:39
  which way is down, you have no idea.
• 26:41
  It's dark. There's, you know, I imagine it
• 26:43
  probably felt something like that, but I just that would be
• 26:47
  that would be terrifying. Yeah, it's wild.
• 26:50
  I don't recommend anybody volunteers to try.
• 26:55
  It is crazy though, because I I want, I always wonder like what
• 26:59
  percentage of people in the church are really afraid to die.
• 27:02
  You know, like everybody's like, Oh no, I know where I'm going
• 27:05
  and I'm not afraid to die. And but nobody talks about it
• 27:08
  like I I have a little bit of fear of like what, you know what
• 27:12
  it's going to be like because yeah, we have a guideline of the
• 27:14
  Bible that says. You know, absent with the body,
• 27:17
  present with the Lord. So we we know where we're going.
• 27:20
  But like there's no I'm a, I'm a, you know, rule follower.
• 27:24
  I'm like a I got to have an outline.
• 27:25
  You know, there's no ABCD to go down here and turn this way.
• 27:29
  And, you know, you just don't get that.
• 27:31
  So just that in and of itself gives me a little anxiety about
• 27:35
  it, not because I doubt where I'm going, but.
• 27:38
  It's the journey of getting there.
• 27:39
  I guess if we're real with ourselves, we'll agree with what
• 27:42
  you just said, Kristen, If everybody was real with
• 27:44
  themselves. I mean, it's not like fear, like
• 27:46
  Hellfire fear, but it's unknown. This is unchartered, untapped,
• 27:52
  right. So if people are real with
• 27:53
  themselves, even if your faith is really high, there's still
• 27:56
  the anticipation of not that it's fear driven anticipation,
• 28:00
  but it's still, it's like this is, this is unknown, right?
• 28:03
  Yeah. And it's not like, Oh, well,
• 28:04
  let's just cancel the road trip and turn around.
• 28:07
  Like when you're on, when you're going, when God calls you
• 28:10
  whatever that process looks like it should open people's eyes.
• 28:16
  I think people that have an interest because God put the
• 28:20
  interest on their heart to have a podcast like what you're doing
• 28:22
  to broadcast these kind of messages to help people that are
• 28:25
  suffering from PTSD with similar experiences, Right.
• 28:30
  You know, however, God is going to use this message to go out
• 28:34
  and reach people. But there's people listening
• 28:37
  that have experienced very similar things, and you may need
• 28:40
  to hear somebody else say it's okay to talk about that.
• 28:43
  Yeah, right, right. Or I believe you like, yeah,
• 28:47
  like that goes a long way. Especially in this community,
• 28:50
  you know, where nobody really knows what to believe.
• 28:53
  You know when when you stake your when you stake your claim
• 28:56
  on Jesus, then you you say you're saying to everybody
• 29:01
  around you. I've done my research.
• 29:03
  I've come to the conclusion. It's it's almost like the book
• 29:07
  of Ecclesiastes. You know like been there, done
• 29:10
  that. Tried it all.
• 29:12
  In the end. Jesus, you know, and he and he
• 29:15
  obviously doesn't say Jesus, but he He basically says I probably
• 29:19
  should. Yeah, you should let me get one.
• 29:22
  Of those one I got you. Yeah.
• 29:24
  So we, you know, we have to just realize that it's almost like
• 29:29
  when I tell my kids, you know, just listen to me.
• 29:31
  Promise. I promise.
• 29:32
  Just don't do that. I've already done it.
• 29:35
  I've done it a lot, actually. Just don't do it.
• 29:37
  And they're just like, yeah, whatever do I'm going to do it
• 29:39
  anyway. That's how we are to God, you
• 29:41
  know, he we don't want to do it. But when we get older and then
• 29:45
  we were, you know, talking to our parents and we're like,
• 29:48
  yeah, you were so right. Yeah.
• 29:49
  You were so right. I should have listened to you.
• 29:51
  You know, that's what the book of Ecclesiastic is is doing for
• 29:55
  us. You know, you got this guy
• 29:57
  that's like, hey, listen, I've had all the money in the world.
• 30:03
  It doesn't matter. I've had all the women in the
• 30:05
  world. It doesn't matter.
• 30:06
  I've had all of the goods. I've had houses, I've had the
• 30:09
  boats. I've had the Bentleys, I've had
• 30:11
  like, I've had all of it. I've I've been Jayz, I've been,
• 30:15
  you know, Eminem, I've been bigger than all those guys.
• 30:18
  Like there's nothing that this guy didn't have or didn't do.
• 30:21
  And he says at the end, it's all like chasing smoke, like it's
• 30:26
  just like chasing smoke. And and once you get that in
• 30:30
  your mind, you don't have to. You don't have to do those
• 30:34
  things anymore, you know, You don't have to find out on your
• 30:36
  own anymore. Like, I try to tell my children,
• 30:38
  you don't have to find out. I have the answer.
• 30:43
  But we don't listen, you know, we just bang our heads against
• 30:46
  the wall and try to run down all of these paths.
• 30:49
  Like, squirrel, look at that. And it's like, no, dude, don't.
• 30:53
  And it does give us a testimony, right?
• 30:55
  It like it does give us a testimony.
• 30:57
  And I think that God wants to partner with us more than we.
• 31:00
  Like, I don't think we realize how much God loves us because we
• 31:04
  don't really see ourselves that way, right?
• 31:06
  Like we haven't been loved that way by somebody else.
• 31:08
  So we think, oh, OK, the way I have reciprocated these
• 31:12
  relationships, the way I have, you know, acted with people is
• 31:15
  the measure of the way that I feel they view me, right?
• 31:18
  So, like, it's like a little back and forth, you know what I
• 31:21
  mean? But if we start to tap into how
• 31:24
  God sees us and loves us, then we become broken and contrary
• 31:28
  because we realize it's all vanity, it's all vanity.
• 31:31
  So good if I have little, or if I have much, If I'm like it says
• 31:35
  in the word God, don't give me so little that I have to steal
• 31:39
  and be ignorant. You know a bad representation to
• 31:42
  your name, but don't give me so much that I drift away from you
• 31:46
  and forget who you are. Give me the perfect balance,
• 31:49
  right? And so God disciplines those who
• 31:52
  he loves. And it's the same, like you were
• 31:54
  saying, because I have, I have teenagers.
• 31:56
  My youngest is going to be 7 soon, right?
• 31:59
  And I look at it and go, sometimes we watch from a
• 32:02
  distance, equipping them with just enough.
• 32:04
  Like, don't do that. I'm not going to be right up on
• 32:07
  you like every single time being like, no, you know what I mean?
• 32:11
  You know what's right and what's wrong, and I'll figure it out.
• 32:15
  But I'm your advocate. I love you terribly.
• 32:17
  And I will come running if you scream for me like I'm there,
• 32:21
  but I'm like I'm not babysitting you.
• 32:23
  And a lot of the times we find ourselves like that.
• 32:25
  But church culture doesn't know what to do with that.
• 32:28
  No, no. The only person who gets the mic
• 32:30
  there is the good little boy. He's been going his whole entire
• 32:32
  life. He's got the button down, shirt
• 32:34
  on, his hair's parted to the side.
• 32:36
  He doesn't got tattoos or you know, scars or nothing.
• 32:39
  Like it's like no, but but that's not the body.
• 32:43
  This is the body. And I'm not saying that they
• 32:45
  don't like they have a place too, but like we have a place
• 32:49
  too. Yeah, we're the ones who have
• 32:51
  been kicked out. So sorry, I don't mean to be
• 32:52
  rambling at this point. No.
• 32:54
  I love it. This is the rambling podcast
• 32:57
  but. I used to have so much anxiety
• 33:00
  about wearing ripped jeans to church.
• 33:01
  Like, I would not wear them. I'm just like, no, I can't like,
• 33:05
  yeah. And now I'm just like, I don't
• 33:08
  care. I'm not.
• 33:09
  I used to go to churches and put on a hat just to see.
• 33:11
  Just to see what they say, yeah. And if they stop me at the door
• 33:15
  and say, take off your hat or say, oh, we're dealing with that
• 33:17
  type of spirit. OK.
• 33:19
  Yeah. OK, I used to.
• 33:21
  I used to check when I. Lived in in Texas for a while
• 33:24
  that I would go to church and they would be wearing like like
• 33:27
  prom dresses, like super nice dresses like 3 piece suits for
• 33:31
  the guys. Like, it was insane to me.
• 33:33
  And I'm like, what are we doing like?
• 33:36
  I don't even have a dress that's nice enough to go here.
• 33:38
  That's great. I'll sit in the lobby.
• 33:42
  Yeah, you're just like, I feel underdressed a lot.
• 33:47
  Yeah. And I've never really cared
• 33:48
  about that type of stuff and it's always weirded me out.
• 33:51
  You show up and. But that's my rebellion, you
• 33:54
  know. That's me.
• 33:54
  Rule breaker. And I'm a rule follower, so that
• 33:57
  yeah, that's. That's we have a good balance
• 33:59
  because of this. You know I'll kick in every door
• 34:02
  and she's going around closing them all like, Nope, that's
• 34:04
  supposed to be closed. Nope.
• 34:05
  That's what seeing the lines closing the doors.
• 34:09
  Yeah, him. Human resolution but yeah man
• 34:13
  yeah we I we go to church and we enjoy going to church but we we
• 34:17
  go to church with the mindset that that we're there to be a
• 34:21
  part of the body the body of believers and that we're there
• 34:24
  to connect with people of like mind you know and and we had JT
• 34:30
  follows JCI don't know if you follow him on Instagram but he
• 34:33
  or TikTok but he he was on last week and he said.
• 34:38
  Basically something along the lines of it doesn't really
• 34:41
  matter if you're going to the church or not going to the
• 34:43
  church where the body you know like and and we we are on this
• 34:48
  Internet connecting as the body we go to church but that's the
• 34:53
  believers going to the church you know the believe it doesn't
• 34:56
  matter. I mean the I liked what he said
• 34:58
  because he said the the non believers can come if they want
• 35:02
  to but we're not seeker friendly.
• 35:05
  Like, that whole thing needs to go away because Jesus wasn't
• 35:09
  secret friendly. He was like, if you wanted to
• 35:12
  follow him, great, But if you didn't, he'd be like, all right,
• 35:15
  see you later. We're going this way, you know,
• 35:17
  And we've gotten so we've gotten so caught up in trying to make
• 35:23
  church fit nonbelievers that we forget that there's believers
• 35:26
  that need to be ministered to. There's there's this type of
• 35:29
  conversations that we need to have.
• 35:32
  Where we actually sit down and be like, hey guys, why are we
• 35:34
  doing this? Or like, get up in front of
• 35:37
  people and go, what do you think is going to happen when you die?
• 35:40
  And everybody would be like, well, I'm going to go to heaven.
• 35:42
  It's like, well, but what do you think is going to actually
• 35:45
  happen? Like, yeah.
• 35:46
  What is that? Because with wings are going to
• 35:48
  come with bow and arrows, right? Like.
• 35:51
  Yes, I. Don't even know what I would
• 35:53
  say. I'd be like, yeah, I've never
• 35:55
  thought of that before, you know?
• 35:57
  I don't. I just don't think people talk
• 35:59
  about the weird parts of Christianity that make them
• 36:01
  uncomfortable. And that's what makes all of
• 36:04
  this so fascinating. The near death experiences.
• 36:07
  I didn't mean to cut you off, but totally flown.
• 36:10
  The near death experiences are catching people's attention
• 36:15
  because we have had this question for so long, you know,
• 36:18
  and I don't know if you've heard of Lee struggle the the Case for
• 36:21
  Christ. Yeah, he wrote that book and
• 36:25
  it's basically, you know, outlining how he he came to the
• 36:29
  point where he was like, OK, I have to just believe because
• 36:32
  I've tried to disprove it for so long and I just, I can't.
• 36:35
  Well, he actually just came out with a documentary about your
• 36:39
  death experiences and we were watching it the other day.
• 36:43
  And the case for. Heaven, I think, is what it's.
• 36:45
  I think it's called the case for heaven.
• 36:47
  Oh, wow. OK.
• 36:48
  I hadn't heard of it, but we we've I found it.
• 36:51
  Yeah. Amazon Prime, I think it was on
• 36:53
  there. OK, Amazon Prime, it's.
• 36:54
  It's. Very interesting.
• 36:55
  Send me a link just to make sure I get that one right.
• 36:58
  We'll put it in the, we can put it in the description so that so
• 37:02
  that everybody out there. Can grab that thing.
• 37:05
  Awesome. Yeah, he he does another great
• 37:07
  job of going through a lot of these questions and going
• 37:10
  through a lot of how other cultures think about it and all
• 37:13
  of those different things. And then he gives a lot of
• 37:16
  stories that he's gotten over time, all of those things.
• 37:19
  So yeah, if you guys haven't seen that, it's really cool.
• 37:22
  Like I said, we'll put it in the description, but I want to get
• 37:25
  back to you. What do you got going on on the
• 37:28
  podcast these days? Are you just moving and shaking
• 37:30
  like a crazy man? Kind of, I guess.
• 37:35
  I don't know. I always tell people I don't
• 37:37
  know if I'm going to be doing this in six months from now.
• 37:39
  I don't know. I know that's.
• 37:41
  Kind of how we've been more like, yeah, it's it's it's
• 37:46
  crazier now than ever. I'll say that in a good way.
• 37:51
  In a good way that's this is season for for the Millennium
• 37:55
  mustard seed. And I don't know like just a lot
• 38:00
  of stuff that like, I'd had the feeling like OK, this is gonna
• 38:04
  grow. And like there were certain
• 38:07
  things God was telling me, I'm like, I can't tell anybody else
• 38:10
  this. They're gonna think I'm nuts.
• 38:11
  Like, even when I started the show, the first podcast, years
• 38:15
  and years and years ago, I told people I'm going to get into
• 38:19
  different countries, people are going to listen to me and I'm
• 38:20
  going to talk with famous people.
• 38:21
  They're like, you're so stupid, dude.
• 38:23
  Like, just get your life right right now.
• 38:25
  Like, you're not doing that right.
• 38:27
  Like, you're so wrong, you know? And I was just like, all right,
• 38:31
  I'm going to start keeping stuff to myself.
• 38:33
  Oh my God, some stuff is not meant for everybody.
• 38:37
  But the season that's coming, the way that I've been putting
• 38:40
  it in, generic across the board, and this is for this is the
• 38:44
  glory. Because the word says when one
• 38:45
  of us are glorified, all of us are glorified.
• 38:47
  When one of us are injured, all of us are dealing with that
• 38:50
  injury. Because we are a body.
• 38:52
  We are a living body. Diverse gifts of this God we
• 38:56
  wish to worship at this point in time.
• 38:59
  Superlative, right? But God is going to start to
• 39:02
  take people where other people are going to say how did they
• 39:06
  get in, what's their qualification?
• 39:09
  They don't look the part. He's going to start to take
• 39:12
  those people and strategically set them up and crumble.
• 39:17
  Things that look like they're big and have power, like
• 39:20
  podcasters are getting more views and and whatever you want
• 39:24
  to call it than your local news anchors.
• 39:27
  You told somebody that 10 years ago you'd be like, yo, you
• 39:29
  crazy. Now it's like, yeah, we're we're
• 39:32
  right there. Or they would have said what's a
• 39:34
  podcast or what's that with. Me, he, he's listened to
• 39:37
  podcasts forever. And I'm like, how do you even
• 39:40
  find these? Like, I'm thinking you have to
• 39:41
  go to a website and he's like, well, it's just an app on your
• 39:44
  phone, like you have an iPhone, It's right here.
• 39:47
  And I'm like, that's crazy. Yeah.
• 39:49
  Times flaws, yeah. Sometimes I feel like I'm like,
• 39:51
  what is going? I'm I'm like, I'm a podcaster,
• 39:54
  like what am I doing? I'm like like this is working.
• 39:57
  What happened? Yeah, so it's.
• 39:59
  Fun because we like we'll just send out messages to people you
• 40:02
  know like I you know we listen to your show we love it.
• 40:05
  We want to have you on the on the show if you want to come on
• 40:08
  and it's it's all whoever God wants to put on our show is kind
• 40:13
  of. That's cool.
• 40:14
  It's. Like, you know we're Rick.
• 40:17
  Rick tends to be a little bit more like controlling of, you
• 40:21
  know, he wants to control the show and the not in a bad way,
• 40:24
  but just. Everything has to be perfect and
• 40:26
  you know, he's very he wants everything to be polished and
• 40:29
  great and dedicated. He has a vision and he's trying
• 40:32
  to be closer. We seen.
• 40:33
  Yeah, let's. Remember that you're not driving
• 40:35
  the bus here. You're you're a passenger and
• 40:38
  we're going where God wants us to go and Tumble is so.
• 40:41
  Cool. That's how we balance each other
• 40:43
  out, too. That's so cool, yeah.
• 40:47
  And then other than that, I've been doing like, symposiums.
• 40:50
  I've been working with other people.
• 40:51
  There's other there's a whole bunch of other shows at this
• 40:54
  point that are all reaching out. And I'm like, I have ideas.
• 40:58
  I'm like, Yep, I knew that was going to happen.
• 40:59
  So there's stuff going on behind the scenes where I'm like, we're
• 41:02
  going to crush the industry for God's glory.
• 41:06
  They they don't know what's coming.
• 41:07
  I'll leave a lot of it for suspense for the listeners, but
• 41:11
  as you should. Yeah, it's.
• 41:14
  That's awesome. Yeah.
• 41:16
  I'm excited to see what's going to go, man, because we get to a
• 41:20
  place where. I was telling Kristen, people
• 41:24
  don't care about the media anymore.
• 41:28
  They they know that they're lying now.
• 41:29
  You know, people don't care about the TV shows much anymore,
• 41:33
  you know, because they're like they're lying or.
• 41:35
  Or if we watch TV shows, a lot of times we're doing research,
• 41:38
  you know, so we're watching documentaries and we're
• 41:40
  watching, you know, and so it's we're getting to the point now
• 41:43
  where people are wanting this content, this specific content
• 41:48
  that we're doing now. And it's and it's.
• 41:51
  It's blowing our minds because nobody's wanted to talk about
• 41:55
  this stuff for a very long time. Like this has all been off
• 41:58
  limits, but now it's almost like the floodgates have opened and
• 42:02
  nothing is off limits anymore. Sometimes that's a bad thing.
• 42:06
  But for oh, can I get really fringy for one second with you
• 42:09
  guys? Can I get really conspiratorial
• 42:11
  here, bro? For those who hung along to this
• 42:14
  point, Juice now. Here comes getting real.
• 42:19
  So I was looking at the reality that the religious spirits,
• 42:23
  right, that are in place that have been guiding the church at
• 42:26
  large. I'm not the church that we
• 42:28
  belong to, but like, right, I have a feeling that these
• 42:34
  spirits are okay with certain time slots for corporate
• 42:38
  gathering, for prayer, right. So I'm looking at Wednesdays and
• 42:41
  Sundays and I'm going, why that? Like, why is that it?
• 42:47
  Right. I read the book of Acts.
• 42:48
  It's different. They're just they're they're
• 42:50
  together. They're like not never even
• 42:52
  apart. And then what's been going on in
• 42:55
  my private life like there's people that that minister that
• 42:58
  live multiple difference. There's so much going on right
• 43:01
  now. Let me just pinpoint it down
• 43:02
  there. There's one ministry in
• 43:03
  particular that's seven hours away from me that travels here
• 43:07
  once a month for home prayer like and and we got people
• 43:10
  coming from New York, from Virginia, from just all over the
• 43:12
  place and we're we're stuff is happening and I'm going we're
• 43:17
  not meeting on Sunday or Wednesday.
• 43:20
  So I started to think about this and I'm going are the religious
• 43:22
  spirits okay with certain time slots for various reasons
• 43:29
  frequency time of the day time. Right.
• 43:33
  Are they okay with the corporate gathering because prayer is not
• 43:36
  even emphasized because if it was prayer tells us first bind
• 43:39
  the strong man and then plunder his house.
• 43:42
  When's the last time you heard your pastor talk about that?
• 43:44
  At the maybe 5 minutes of prayer?
• 43:47
  It's your Sunday service, right? And I'm not squashing them.
• 43:50
  Listen, we don't forsake the gathering, but they talk about
• 43:54
  that as if the only gathering, the only little box that gets
• 43:58
  checked is on Wednesdays and Sundays.
• 43:59
  And we started going, no, no, no, we're we're going to do
• 44:02
  everything. But like Wednesday and Sunday is
• 44:04
  going to be my veg day or I'm like Wednesday evenings, I'm
• 44:07
  like, Nope, I'm going to not do that at all.
• 44:09
  But Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, Saturday, we're going
• 44:13
  to wreck it. And we started to actually see
• 44:15
  so that little. Conspiratorial because.
• 44:17
  If you think about. You know, heaven, spiritual
• 44:22
  realm, all that stuff is so much more organized than people
• 44:25
  think, you know. It's not just angels just
• 44:27
  fluttering around like what? Oh, hi.
• 44:29
  How are you, you know? Like, it's very that, you know,
• 44:31
  the courtrooms, they have rules. They have, you know.
• 44:35
  So it makes you wonder if it's like the spirits go to God and
• 44:38
  say, hey, can we allow this? And he's like, OK, fine.
• 44:42
  You know, like it could be that those times are or most
• 44:47
  resistance can be in the Airways on those times.
• 44:50
  And those religious lowercase G gods that are over these regions
• 44:55
  that are oversight and overseeing all of this stuff in
• 44:57
  the spirit can be going, Oh, yeah, we're anticipating because
• 45:00
  the one or two of them who really got the heart for God,
• 45:02
  they're they're not actually connecting, They're not
• 45:04
  sharpening. They're not actually like
• 45:05
  growing stronger. Right.
• 45:07
  So we're just going to set up all of these, you know, attacks
• 45:13
  on these Wednesdays and Sundays, right.
• 45:14
  And so I would challenge the listeners.
• 45:16
  That's really interesting because I feel like on like on
• 45:19
  Sunday, like we fight on Sunday mornings, like we fighting.
• 45:24
  Just about it. That's super.
• 45:26
  A lot of weeks. Like it is or.
• 45:28
  I'm or I'm like, you know, throwing around clothes, like, I
• 45:31
  hate all of my clouds, you know, it's just, and there's a certain
• 45:35
  sense of anxiety. I feel like on Sunday mornings.
• 45:38
  Yeah. I think there's stuff going on
• 45:40
  in the spirit that we don't quite know about, yeah.
• 45:43
  So I think you're on to something, yeah.
• 45:45
  Yeah, just the way that. You know, you know, you got to,
• 45:49
  you got to get up in the morning and you got to do this and you
• 45:51
  got to get your kids ready and you got to do this.
• 45:53
  And then you got to go to church and then you have a fight on the
• 45:55
  way to church. And then you have to walk in the
• 45:57
  front door and be ready. To be a nice clean up, you gotta
• 46:01
  feel like you gotta smile like a whole.
• 46:05
  You're like, well, I don't like her right now, I'll tell you
• 46:08
  that. Yeah, everything's going well.
• 46:04
  It's like, no, it's. Yeah, I don't have a good poker.
• 46:09
  Face I'm like, things wrong here.
• 46:11
  Yeah, that's. There's so much more than that,
• 46:14
  you guys. There's so much more.
• 46:16
  Oh, man. Yeah.
• 46:18
  Let me get some more breakthrough.
• 46:19
  So I love some man talk. Yeah.
• 46:22
  Yeah, it'll be awesome. Well, we won't.
• 46:24
  We don't keep you too long. We know you have other
• 46:26
  obligations and. And we've just really enjoyed
• 46:29
  this conversation. And I know that we are
• 46:31
  definitely gonna have you back on if you're willing.
• 46:34
  Yeah, for sure. Because I just can't stop
• 46:37
  getting fringy. I'll tell you the truth.
• 46:38
  You. Guys gotta check out his
• 46:39
  podcast. He's got lots of lots of good
• 46:41
  stuff on. There, Yeah.
• 46:42
  Familiar podcast. You're really, you're really
• 46:44
  doing God's work. Thank you.
• 46:46
  Yeah. Anywhere that podcast can be
• 46:48
  found, It's the millennial mustard seed.
• 46:51
  It's a mouthful, but just when you type it in, it works.
• 46:55
  Yeah, it's. I'm gonna put some stuff in the
• 46:57
  show notes and I would like to air this on my podcast as well.
• 46:59
  So if you guys want to send me the audio for this, I'll be
• 47:02
  super cool to put it up for my listeners.
• 47:04
  Because I get a lot of people say, tell us more, tell us more
• 47:08
  of like my personal testimony. Because the show is kind of
• 47:10
  based around, I'm capturing the journey of listening to other
• 47:14
  people's stories. Right, right.
• 47:16
  I'm going there. Powerful.
• 47:18
  In your story. Thank you.
• 47:20
  I appreciate that. I keep hearing that.
• 47:21
  I believe it is. It's just weird that I don't go
• 47:24
  like, that's not mine. Go to, like, it's so weird.
• 47:27
  People will be telling their stories and then something will
• 47:30
  charge up inside of me where I'm like, like, like I probably cut
• 47:33
  people off way more than I showed.
• 47:35
  It's not professional, but it's like out of excitement.
• 47:37
  It's like, I don't know, there's something here that connects to
• 47:39
  this or this is like, you just want to dive in and be like,
• 47:41
  that makes me feel alive. So you know that that's kind of
• 47:44
  what the show's about, really. It's like just it.
• 47:47
  We want to do everything the church wouldn't let you do in
• 47:49
  that corporate setting. We want to go those places.
• 47:52
  We want to expose the darkness. Your story is important.
• 47:55
  Every one of our stories is important.
• 47:58
  And in going and exposing the darkness and diving into the
• 48:01
  word, I believe we're actually going to strategically
• 48:04
  understand how the enemy has been set up and operating
• 48:07
  against us and the power of our testimonies alone.
• 48:10
  Right? So.
• 48:11
  So the revelation says we overcome by the blood of the
• 48:13
  Lamb and our testimonies. So if you've dealt with the SRA
• 48:17
  stuff, if you guys have dealt with PTSD, if you guys have
• 48:20
  dealt with just rejection overall, I mean, come on, who
• 48:22
  hasn't been heartbroken? Who hasn't had something happen
• 48:25
  in his life? This, we're all included in
• 48:28
  this. Now, the level of extreme is
• 48:30
  going to be different. How it's handled and how, you
• 48:34
  know, how we we kind of enter into that.
• 48:36
  But the fact of the matter is, is the devil's an enemy.
• 48:39
  He's a liar, He's a thief and he's been.
• 48:42
  He never sleeps. He never eats.
• 48:44
  He's at your all the time pocket picked by him.
• 48:49
  God's got you. You just got calling his name
• 48:51
  and on the show we just kind of wing it.
• 48:53
  It's like, I love not knowing what's gonna be asked.
• 48:56
  I love like the real reactions like yeah, so it's so cool you
• 49:00
  guys didn't send me like questions out cuz I just wait.
• 49:03
  I just watch with people. I'm like, I wonder how this is
• 49:05
  gonna work. You guys are totally cool.
• 49:07
  You just show up. It's like, hey, what's going on?
• 49:08
  Let's do this. Let's dive in.
• 49:09
  And that's like. That go I know.
• 49:11
  Let's go. We're not.
• 49:13
  I'm. All about the conversation, So.
• 49:16
  Yeah, you know, I found. Let me master see you.
• 49:18
  Yeah. You can't be authentic if you're
• 49:20
  not having a real conversation, you know.
• 49:22
  And if you're not looking each other in the eyes and you're
• 49:24
  not, and you're not being real. And that's what we have to be if
• 49:26
  we're going to talk about the most real thing in the world.
• 49:30
  And. Reach people.
• 49:31
  You never know what part of what part of your story or your story
• 49:34
  is going to touch somebody and change their life.
• 49:37
  I mean, it can be something like a podcast that changes
• 49:40
  somebody's life. So which I wouldn't thank you.
• 49:43
  How long have you guys been podcasting?
• 49:45
  Like where where you guys at? Since January, OK, Yeah, not too
• 49:50
  long, I would say. Literally for me it was like
• 49:51
  years and I never heard back from anybody.
• 49:54
  It's like that's not everybody's story, but there is somebody
• 49:57
  listening. I guarantee you man, it's crazy.
• 50:01
  It's crazy. Yeah, I would love to join you
• 50:03
  guys again for for conversation. There's some round table stuff
• 50:06
  that I'll have coming up. We're going to be getting some
• 50:08
  people together and just kind of hashing out some ideas and kind
• 50:11
  of floating around in in in these conversations in the weird
• 50:14
  space and testimonial space and stuff like that.
• 50:17
  And and this is the church you guys as listeners should want to
• 50:20
  create with your friends like recreate this conversation.
• 50:23
  You guys like you. You don't.
• 50:26
  It's cool that we're podcasters. It's cool that you guys can
• 50:28
  listen to this message and stuff like that and please share it.
• 50:31
  Like subscribe to. That's so fringy.
• 50:33
  Do that same thing with my show that that helps us grow.
• 50:36
  You know, we we spend time editing, reaching out to people,
• 50:39
  setting appointments. I mean literally, you know, I
• 50:42
  got a six hour time difference in 25 minutes.
• 50:46
  Like that stuff is that takes work and then the editing and
• 50:50
  then the promoting it and then praying over and being like one
• 50:53
  more person. God, let this be somebody.
• 50:55
  So you guys can help us by leaving us that five star rating
• 50:57
  and review and sharing it, but recreate these conversations.
• 51:02
  Yep, Yep, that's that's our that's our part.
• 51:05
  That's definitely just. Started on Saturdays.
• 51:08
  We have a bunch of, you know, because we have teenage boys and
• 51:12
  so we have a bunch of kids over in the backyard around the fire.
• 51:16
  Yeah, we call it Fireside Jesus and we just nice.
• 51:19
  We just talk like it's nothing. We'll do a little Bible trivia
• 51:22
  or you know, something, but just talk.
• 51:24
  Just open up the lines of communication.
• 51:27
  Yeah, all right. We know you're on a time crunch.
• 51:30
  Yes, we are so thankful, man. And we're going to send you
• 51:32
  everything that you need to get this out on your end.
• 51:34
  And we'll be we'll be in contact.
• 51:37
  Awesome. You guys have to.
• 51:38
  Keep up the good work. Thank you my friend.
• 51:40
  Thank you so much. Thanks.
• 51:42
  I'll see you on the next. Bye.
• 51:46
  It's all right. It's perfect.
• 51:50
  Yep.