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#72 - Drag-On · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Alright, hey, welcome to the bouleg Cavs show Man. Hope
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  Speaker 1: got a dope episode with dragon Man Rough Riders own
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  Speaker 1: the legendary drag On. If you grew up like me
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  Speaker 1: listening to DMX, listening to just Rough Riders, those compilations album,
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  Speaker 1: you know all about drag Man. Drag was like, he
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  Speaker 1: was like the proof that Eminem's proof. You know how
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  Speaker 1: proof is? What the fuck am I trying to say?
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  Speaker 1: He was the proof to DMX is Eminem, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? Shout out to drag Man, all right, listen,
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  Speaker 1: had a dope conversation with him. Unfortunately, the audio got
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  Speaker 1: sounds a little weird, shit happens on our end. It's
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  Speaker 1: all right. It's still still a good listen, so check
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  Speaker 1: let's get into this interview with Dragon right now. Yo,
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  Speaker 1: boutle CaMV Podcast Special guests. Man, the Dragon is here.
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  Speaker 1: Thank yous going on? Bro welcome man, Yeah, yes you
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  Speaker 1: are yo. So you just put your first album out
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  Speaker 1: in how many years? My last album was Held Him Back?
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  Speaker 1: So I think that drive in three or Old four,
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  Speaker 1: So that was my last album. So that's almost twenty years. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: twenty years, because I mean it's close to twenty Why why,
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  Speaker 1: like what happened? What has been going on with you? Like,
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  Speaker 1: why has it taken that long to put a project out? Man? Well?
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  Speaker 1: And oh six, no, oh seven? Eight, I had to
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  Speaker 1: get my releasement for more for roth Riders. So I
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  Speaker 1: finally got my releasement, but it took me years to
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  Speaker 1: fight them to really get out of my contract with that.
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  Speaker 1: And then and then by the time I got out
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  Speaker 1: of my contract and eight, I had my daughter, me
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  Speaker 1: going back and forth with lawyers and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to get out of my contract. Made me go broke. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I went, I went broke. I was twisted. My baby
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  Speaker 1: mom was taking care of me for the first two
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  Speaker 1: three years and I mean get oh, I mean and
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  Speaker 1: uh then that for that uh I mean, uh, it
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  Speaker 1: took me a while just to really start generating some
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  Speaker 1: money again, world what I'm saying. So that was like
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  Speaker 1: a real setback. Cause now I don't use all my
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  Speaker 1: money to get out of my contract. But it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like I had other deals on the table right my
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  Speaker 1: daughter now, which is on the table now. So I
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  Speaker 1: me do with me just dealing with that and you know,
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  Speaker 1: but by the same time in O six, I started
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  Speaker 1: my company hood environment that I'm putting out on my
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  Speaker 1: music on now. It just took ten years for everybody
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  Speaker 1: to catch on, cause people didn't catch on to it
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  Speaker 1: til like two thousand fifteen, two thousand six m and
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  Speaker 1: then people started catching on to what I'm doing and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. But you know, it's just been the
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  Speaker 1: grind world in cause I was doing the real and
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  Speaker 1: then everything out of the pocket. Yeah, I think it's dope,
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  Speaker 1: like for you to be so transparent with that because
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  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people they might see
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  Speaker 1: rappers and think, well, you know, this guy was on
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  Speaker 1: Rough Riders, he had a deal, he had two major
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  Speaker 1: o uh major uh label releases and and uh you
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  Speaker 1: know sometimes like a lot of times, rather like you're
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  Speaker 1: like like it's it's it's hard to get really really
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  Speaker 1: rich off a rap, you know what I'm saying, Like
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  Speaker 1: you might get in advance, but you're obviously gonna spend that,
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  Speaker 1: and then once that's spend, it's like, you know, So,
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  Speaker 1: So I think that's dope because a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: got to understand both sides of the coin. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like the end of the day, everyone's
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  Speaker 1: bills need to get paid. That's right. Everyone bills got
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  Speaker 1: to get paid. Everybody is parents now say so, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and everybody got responsibilities at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: a real grind for me world because I already had
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  Speaker 1: too much bread and then I was trying my best
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  Speaker 1: not to go back to the street and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 1: and then eventually I eventually had to go back to
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  Speaker 1: hustling on the street, you know what I'm saying. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was using that money to bring myself
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  Speaker 1: back into the forefront. It took a couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: It's because my career was pretty much over and five
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  Speaker 1: I would say, oh five or six, she was done.
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  Speaker 1: So you had to go back to get to putting
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  Speaker 1: your feet in the streets and you getting money that way. Damn, Yo,
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy because I always think of your story as
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  Speaker 1: like kind of like a what if. Like damn, like
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  Speaker 1: Rough Riders the hottest shit moving in music period, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like I went to the Hard Knock Life tour and
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  Speaker 1: I left before jay Z got on, Like I literally
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  Speaker 1: was there to see DMX. That was it. I was there.
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  Speaker 1: I think Jay did one song and me and my
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  Speaker 1: cousins left. I was thirteen maybe, but we're there for DMX.
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  Speaker 1: That was it, you know what I mean? But like
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  Speaker 1: you were like the perceived air apparent to the throne
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  Speaker 1: of rough riders. It was like you were on starking,
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  Speaker 1: Hell is hot, You're on flesh, my flesh. You were
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  Speaker 1: on the you know the rough riders call those rough
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  Speaker 1: Rider compilations were crazy like and it really felt like
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  Speaker 1: they were positioning you to be like, Okay, we got
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  Speaker 1: exes the flagship, but we but obviously we got to
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  Speaker 1: have some some young young guns as well. What what
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  Speaker 1: do you think went wrong in regards to your career
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: and maybe just the whole entire rough rider situation because
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  Speaker 1: it definitely there could have been worse situations for you
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  Speaker 1: to be a part of it at that time, because
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  Speaker 1: at that time that was the that brand was scorching. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you know, like what like what means that
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  Speaker 1: I had like a manager that was like fully behind me,
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  Speaker 1: you said, like I always shared with d MX. DMX
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  Speaker 1: was like a real protector for me. So I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like his management. I had that management,
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  Speaker 1: his movie agents. I had those movie agents, like I
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  Speaker 1: never really had your own people. I'm going drag, right,
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  Speaker 1: just drag, you know what I'm saying. I never had
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  Speaker 1: a movie agent that was like, okay, I'm going hard
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  Speaker 1: for just drag our auditions for those parts because X
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  Speaker 1: put a good word in from me, like yo, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna shoot this X one unless you use drag
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  Speaker 1: on as my brother. He looked like me, that's my homie.
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  Speaker 1: It makes sense. The BIBB is there, let's go. And
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  Speaker 1: that's how I got that right the next one. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you know that's how
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  Speaker 1: I got that movie. Yeah, and then it led to
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  Speaker 1: another movie and stuff like that, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: But the reason why that stops because I want something
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  Speaker 1: happened with him as far as Hollywood it's out. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: they yes, right, It wasn't like somebody else that could
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  Speaker 1: be like okay, dragons. Also, those agents, those managers, obviously
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  Speaker 1: DMX is gonna be their priority because at the time
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  Speaker 1: he's probably bringing in so much money, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? What he what he sold thirty over probably
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  Speaker 1: over thirty million vers just in by himself. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: it's crazy. I mean then, look, you did have a
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: lot of people who we see come out of cruise
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  Speaker 1: that are you know, are big like that don't get
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  Speaker 1: the chance to put out two albums. We see a
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  Speaker 1: lot of like people who are get signed. Like think
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  Speaker 1: about all the artists on Rough Riders have never even
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  Speaker 1: dropped an album. There was a lot like when I
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  Speaker 1: came to Roughriders, it was Casino big stand. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: gotta go back. I'll go back to like the Rough
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  Speaker 1: Riders like compilations and I see some of the artists.
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  Speaker 1: Was somebody named Parlay? Was this Parlay? Uh? There was
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  Speaker 1: a was there someone named I know remember young Bird
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  Speaker 1: when he was a kid? Was was uh? I remember
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  Speaker 1: when we first met Young Bird and extrap Young Bird
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  Speaker 1: on that was we met him on what these bitches
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  Speaker 1: want from that video set? Came through like a little kid,
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  Speaker 1: But I ain't go from he always like Young Bird
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  Speaker 1: was always like a boss, very talented kid man a
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  Speaker 1: little kid when he came through right, but his entourage
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  Speaker 1: he had like six different big who is this year?
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  Speaker 1: Like he always moved like a boss even before he
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  Speaker 1: was that. But that's one thing that I can vouch
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  Speaker 1: for that dude. He always was a boss as a
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  Speaker 1: little kid. Still is man doing his thing. Hit shout
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  Speaker 1: out to hit maker man. He always like when I
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  Speaker 1: met him, he was like, I don't know eleven, but
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  Speaker 1: Boston it. He walked up on DMX with six big
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  Speaker 1: security guard like, what's up? That's crazy? Got cool. At
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  Speaker 1: the peak of the rough Rider ship, right you're on
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  Speaker 1: tour your I mean, ship has gotta be great. But
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: like what like, like what point in time did you,
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  Speaker 1: like do you remember vividly being like, oh, ship, we're
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  Speaker 1: like the hottest motherfuckers in the world because legit like
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: rough Riders for like that run man, there was nothing.
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  Speaker 1: It was like all this puff daddy shit was happening
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  Speaker 1: and then boom, DMX came in, ripped all that ship
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  Speaker 1: away and was like, nah, man, no more of that
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  Speaker 1: shiny suit ship. This's a whole new energy. Like what
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: we did, we just made it fear for regular dudes
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  Speaker 1: on the street, like just regular dudes that just happened
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  Speaker 1: to be nice. We made it a big platform for
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  Speaker 1: them to be successful too. You don't necessarily gotta be
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: fining around in the video and stuff like that. No,
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  Speaker 1: disrespect to the boy. I'm a big fan of that,
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  Speaker 1: of course, but no, but it was like you had
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: that big budgets to those kind of videos to where
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: we made it to where you can actually wear regular jeans,
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: and they told the homies to come out. Yeah, obviously
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: with X passing, man, I mean, share your thoughts, like,
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: I like, where were you at? Like, you know, obviously
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  Speaker 1: you and X had a very close brother brotherhood, and
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean that poster has been there since
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  Speaker 1: before he passed. X. More of my all time favorites,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And I was ship that shit had me
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  Speaker 1: fucked up man driving through New York City having Hot
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  Speaker 1: ninety seven on and they're playing his ship and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: damn man, Like, but but where were you when you
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: found out about it? Man? I was in His family
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  Speaker 1: actually called me, you don't like it's actually blood family
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  Speaker 1: really called me, and it was like drag, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, we're about to take him
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  Speaker 1: off of the life support and stuff like that. So
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  Speaker 1: I kind of knew he passed away before a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people knew, you know, you know, like before the
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  Speaker 1: media knew, you know what I mean. So I was
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  Speaker 1: already hurt him down. You know what I'm saying, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's rough man, cause it it felt like we saw
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: that verses with Snoop, It felt like he was in
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  Speaker 1: such a good place. I love to see him. I
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: love to see him with a belly because I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he's eating good, you know what I mean? Like good
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: and like the greatest part about that too, was that
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  Speaker 1: dmx is was always a Snoop Doggie Dog fan. Like
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: when I was watching him versus and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 1: that's all I was thinking about him because I know
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  Speaker 1: the type of fan he is for Snoop. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he really respected like like Snoop Dog.
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  Speaker 1: He respect that dog. Right there, I ain't gonna fun.
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  Speaker 1: That's one person that he always was a fan of.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why we watched some of the verses, like
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: some of the records that he put on. Did you
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: see x get up like, oh hold on, this was
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  Speaker 1: my really was fun? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that was real
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  Speaker 1: And that was actually like, oh snap, this is my
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: joint right, I remember? That was your relationship with x
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  Speaker 1: uh Did you have one prior to the Rough Righters
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  Speaker 1: thing or did you like how how did you come
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  Speaker 1: into the fold. Were you like, like with him before
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: the rough Riders or like explain your guys' history. Uh, well,
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  Speaker 1: D you know what I mean? You know, D the
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  Speaker 1: general is the one that put me on the map,
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: the one that believed in me first before everybody. And
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: he brung me up to the studio and and it
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: was like to battle DM Max. But I didn't even
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: know it was a battle because I never was battling
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  Speaker 1: at that time, you know what I'm saying. I found
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  Speaker 1: out very fast though, you know what I mean. As
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  Speaker 1: soon as I got in there, boom, he was right there.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't quite waste any time too. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I got there, what's up? What are you doing? Yo?
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  Speaker 1: Drag yo yo? Turn that beat on my quick boom
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  Speaker 1: and it was straight like that. And then he just
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  Speaker 1: started rapping, which was and then I'm listening to his
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  Speaker 1: floor and the style of delivering. I'm listening to all that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, this dude was incredible right here. But
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  Speaker 1: at that time I was so hungry, you find trying
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  Speaker 1: to say, so I still kept going back at him,
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  Speaker 1: back at him, back at the back, And next thing
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  Speaker 1: you know, a whole hour went bound. We were just
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: back and forth, trading bars, and even though I lost
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: that battle like the whole time. Yeah, I said, we
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  Speaker 1: probably battle four hour. I lost four hour, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean, But he respected it, like you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean, you know, like to the max. Like
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: he he just just like, you know what, I think,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna keep this dude right here. I like this
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  Speaker 1: dude you gonna trying to say. And it was just
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: something that he always said that was just in my
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  Speaker 1: eyes that reminded, uh uh that I always just minded
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  Speaker 1: me right right right right, Yeah, yeah, I think like
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  Speaker 1: you guys were it was It's almost like you guys
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  Speaker 1: were so synonymous with each other, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, yo, you see DMX, you see Drag
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I say, like like the
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: whole Batman and Robin thing that was set up us
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  Speaker 1: our joint was actually genuine What year was that because
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  Speaker 1: obviously this was prior to his first album, So when
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  Speaker 1: like when was this? That was nineteen ninety seven, ninety seven,
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: album came out in ninety eight, album came out in
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  Speaker 1: ninety eight. After that, you know what I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like right after we battled, It's like me and him
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: got super cool. So Or had bought a house in
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: North Carolina and sent us out there. So he worked
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: on his first album and I worked on my first album.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying the opposite eight two oh yeah,
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: at the same time with him in the house in
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina. While he was working on this shit in
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: their room, I probably was in another room in my
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: room was is working on my ship? Do you you know?
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: There's so many profound songs on his first album. I
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: think that Uh Damien is one that always sticks out
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  Speaker 1: to me as one of my favorites. That's one of
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  Speaker 1: the songs that he wrote in North Carolina with us
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: in the house, and that's one of that's great. You
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  Speaker 1: said that in the world. I was like, he was
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: actually just discussing that that's one of the fastest songs
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  Speaker 1: he wrote. He actually timed himself. He said, you know what,
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna see how fast I could write. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I just wrote a song before that fast kind of fast,
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  Speaker 1: but didn't have the hook. He said, you know what,
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: I think I could write even faster than that. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean because I think he had just knocked out
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: a song with like two and a half hour's whole
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  Speaker 1: song boom, right, so he try to top that, and
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: he topped it with Damien. He wrote Damien in an
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: hour and a half Wow, hook and everything that that
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  Speaker 1: whole him playing two different people. Yeah, nah, that's X
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  Speaker 1: doing that. And he wrote both of those parts and everything.
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  Speaker 1: So you're you were in there while he's writing this,
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  Speaker 1: and uh no, But I'm curious because, like obviously him
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  Speaker 1: rapping from the perspective of the you know, the devil
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  Speaker 1: or whatever you wanna called Damien. You know, yod what's up?
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: You are smooth? So like was like did he have
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: the like like talk about the concept, Like how did
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: he come up with that concept? Because if you guys
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  Speaker 1: were there, I mean, that's crazy. That's that's one of
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  Speaker 1: the crazier records on his first album. That like always
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: just sticks out to me. Yeah, yeah, like that right there.
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  Speaker 1: That was something he was actually dealing with in life
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  Speaker 1: and reality, you know what I mean? That right there?
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  Speaker 1: So that was real FN, Like that was I'm telling you,
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  Speaker 1: that's the fastest record if because it always fell to
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  Speaker 1: me as a kid, not knowing any better. I always
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: thought to myself, Damn DMX sold the soul to the
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Devil and then Belly came out, and then the opening
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: scene there's the Little Boy and he's quote shit from
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Damien and I was like, oh my god, he did
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: sell this. This shit is crazy. Now. Mind you, I'm
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: a grown adult now and I'm no better her. But
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: like I really thought, I was like this motherfucker DMXI.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: He's really like you know what I'm saying. Like, so
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: that was something he was like really battling with, just
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: kind of like the battle with just just just what
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: life generally like. He had a hard life. Yeah, so
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you know, just falls him
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: growing up as a kid and stuff like that. You
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He's really from the streets, so
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: you know it's times he had to hold in the
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: street and being a homeless and I've been homeless. There's
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of artists that actually came into this game
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: being homeless of course and having nothing to go to,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that was some of
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: the demons, you know what I'm saying that that you
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: might be fighting. It might be something like like I'm
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: hungry right now, and it's a lady and and that
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: person looked real nice and I'm hungry right now, and
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I'm contemplating even though you're a good person, you might
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: you might but you like I'm starving, Yeah, but you
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: might have to make a hard decision. These are decisions
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: that he had to deal with. So he was just
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: he was just able to capture it, you know what
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know and put it in his music.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: You know, I saw I watched the U the Rough
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Riders uh bt thing. Uh I figured what what what
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: they call? I watched not not not the memorial the
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: documentary the docu series they did. Was it last year? Yeah? Yeah,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: And I didn't realize that. Uh. It's crazy because Swiss
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: coming up as a young guy in the camp, you know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: with some favoritism because of the family situation. But there
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: was like a some of the other producers kind of
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: felt some type of way about Swiss's like a sentence
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: in in you know, obviously Swiss is an all time
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: great producer, Like how was how how was it being
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: around Swiss early on before he was like a thing,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: because he became a thing real quick. His sound became
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: very distinct, very fast and automatically. I think everyone just
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: had was beats beats, But early on like you know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: he was a kid, he was started off as a
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: DJ obviously, but like, did you kind of always see
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: that in Swiss? Like I was like at the time,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I was just so busy working on my album. I was.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I was just working on Opposite at age two. Well,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I was trying my best to get beats from anybody,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, trying to get some ship.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: The DMX didn't take. You probably got all the hot ship. Yeah,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I was, I was. I was. I was actually trying
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: to get beats from uh Swiss, p K Grease right an,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know, like a lot
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: of my stuff, I always work with a lot of
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: up and coming producers. But that's what I just always
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: was just focused on. I was just focused on that fire.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: The rough Rider compilations were very, very historic, and you
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: had some of your I think some of your dopest
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: moments on those. Uh what was it like like when
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: you guys are making those compilations where they're record Like,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: would you guys like purposely go in and be like, Yo,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: we're working on Ride or Die Volume one, that's what
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: we're working on. Or was it like, hey, look who's
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: got extra records and everything I put together? Like how
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: how did those songs come to be? You know what
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I mean? Like we are lay like we alay some
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: records and stuff like that, and some records to make
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: it there and some records to make it there, you'll say.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: So that's what it really was, Like a lot of
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: people do it. The song with Me and juven Now
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: was gonna be on my album it made it to
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and it might it might have should have been on
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: that on your album because that would have been a single. Yeah,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of people say that, you know what I'm saying,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: But they wanted that look for that. So it was
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: just like certain songs just where you know, I mean,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: you know, like wherever they wanted it to go, you
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: know what I man me, My job is just writing
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and just trying to lay as more songs as possible.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: What was it like having the Locks be brought into
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the fold? Because at the time I was se the
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Locks were some of the hottest artists in New York.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: There was the huge Bad Boys split and you know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: we are the Streets is a bible for a lot
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: of people out here, you know what I'm saying. But
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: what was that like, because like, Yo, think about the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: competition within just the crew. It's you, it's X, it's Eve,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: it's the Locks. I mean ship young one was fire.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, like, what what was
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: that like? Having the Locks come into the fold. I've
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: always seen them in the fold, Like I've never really
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: seen them out the fold. No matter where they was at,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it was always you know, they always was like Locks
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: are there before me? Oh they were there already. Yeah,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I mean I felt like, yeah, it was like some
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: younger ship. Really it was like some wild ship. Never
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: was really not there, you know what I mean. You know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I mean like me, since the first day I got
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: over there, they always was there. X was there, you
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. You know, give me some some
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: some some of your fondest memories of being on tour. Well,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: first of all, we could talk about the h There
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: was a rough Rider's Cash Money tour, which was pretty dope.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: But the the tour that I remember that we talked
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: about was that Hard that Hard Knock Life Tour, which
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: is like a moment in hip hop method Man and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Red Man flying through the air. I knock like to it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: With the tour that prepared me for the Dcast Money Tour.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean that actually prepared me, you know
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: what I mean, because I actually had to come out
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: twice and perform, you know what I mean. You know,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: on the Hard Knock Life tour, you know what I mean.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: So it gave me a taste of being an artists.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You don't performing in front
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people, you know
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: what I mean. So, you know, it kind of it
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: kind of molded me, you know what I mean. Of course, yeah, yeah,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: what because I did that tour. The dynamic of Hove
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: in d m X at the time was so interesting
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to me because obviously they were both at the top
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: of their game. There was all these rumblings about there
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: being that murdering group with him and jaw Rule and
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: and Hove and and uh. I think anybody who you
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: would have probably asked at the time probably would have
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: said the DMX should probably close that tore out, you
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. At the time, obviously jay Z's
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the greatest of all time, but at that time DMX
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: was scorching, like scorching was there, like like how was
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: their relationship because we watched the Hard Knock Life documentary
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: like I mean, you know, like for a DMX and
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: and whole, Like I wasn't there for that, so I
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: don't really know what that was. I know it was
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: always mutual respect No, for sure, it was always respectful,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: but like there had to be some sort of friendly
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: competition you would think between like I mean, you know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: but but that's just New York, Like, yeah, always who's
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the King of New York? Talk? Yeah, that's that's that's
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: that's what that's about. That's that that's the New York
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: thing that you know what I mean, you know, we'll
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: always in competition with each other. You know, that's just
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: New York. So yeah, I feel like New York is
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: probably the most competitive city and hip hop everybody, especially
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: back then, because everybody was who's the King of New York?
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I think he's gone, So who's the king of New York?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: It was like is it Dove? Is it ghost Face Killer?
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Is a DMX? Is it is it Fat Joe? Is?
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: That's crazy? So obviously you know what X passing the
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: way he did. Man, you know, he's had a troubled,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: uh history when it comes to I mean also a
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: very open history when it comes to his his you know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: use of certain substances and stuff like that. Was that
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: something that was like was that something that everyone around
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: him kind of knew was going on? Or was it
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: something that became worse over time? Like yeah, with the drugs,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: any drugs around me. Ever, not one time I put
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: that on my daughter. He knew nothing to do that
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: around me. So I don't really know too much about
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the drugs, like like like far as the drug and
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I put this on my daughter, my grandmam, Mom's everything,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: like he never ever did. But did you guys know
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: that that was a thing or was it like if
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: you didn't see it, so you didn't really know? Or
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I never really I mean, you know, he was such
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a dope artist and I was just so focused on
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: that part of his life, you know what I mean,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: you know, especially with him not trying around me, having
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that respect for me. I just always looked at him
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: as the great artist that he is. That's it. I
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: never looked at him and no other way but that,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. At what what what year
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: did you end up kind of starting to split away
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: from rough Riders and being around X so much, because yeah,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I think you said Helen Back came out in two
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: oh three, so at that point in time, I'm trying
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: to think, O three oh four, that's probably around the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: time the Grand Champ is that Grand Champ type era? Yeah,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: like three when we were shooting Crazy in the grade,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: he was working on his third album, so he was
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: working on uh and then there was X. Yeah because
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: that's that was his third album. Yeah, hey, because you
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: said you were after with these Bitches one video, so
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: that was on that album. Did did your relationship with
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: rough Rider souring effect your like your relationship with X?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: H Nah, me and X was always brothers, always going
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: to remain brothers, you know what I'm saying. So you know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: we always was genuine us, Like when we came across
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: each other, they were straight brothership. It wasn't none of that.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Let me like, like the relationship that me and X had,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just it wasn't just based on music, you
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know, it was it was
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: like some real genuine shit. That's yeah, when's the last
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: time you spoke with him? That's my script that X
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: probably mean, I don't know, maybe like seven eight months
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: ago time. I mean like like it was months before
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: he passed. I mean because he was working on his album, right,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and I was working on Yeah, And I just did
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: a big transition movie from the East to the West.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: So it was kind of hard for me when I
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: first got to the West because I didn't really know
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: how the West really moved like that. It's my first yeah,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: so you so focused on his joint, I was just
• 27:11
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  Speaker 1: this podcast. Let's get back to it. Yeah, I think
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that there's obviously an unfair expectation when we see someone
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: like X pass away and how he passed away, where
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: you know, there's so many would have could have should
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: have that people try to bring up like, hey, well
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, maybe people closer to him could
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: have spoke up or or intervened or you know, had
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: an intervention or whatever the case is. But you know,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I think that I think that there was probably a
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: lot of that that we didn't see because I know,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I don't you know, obviously Swiss is you know, somebody
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: who was very close to X. But did you feel
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: like maybe looking back, that there were people around him
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that could have maybe done more way back then. At
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the time, X is the hottest rapper in the world.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: There's boatloads of money coming in, so I'm sure that like, yeah,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: some stuff was ignored because it's like whatever makes them happy,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: We're just gonna do because the money's coming. Was there
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: something that you think, like like you like like thinking back,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: was there more that you think other people could have
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: did not not necessarily saying yourself, of course, I just
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: always looked at X as an artist. I never looked
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: at him how everyone else views or or or how
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: someone else viewed that situation. I just looked at him
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: as one of the greatest rappers I've ever heard in
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: my life. I mean, he's obviously your brother, your friend, right, Yeah,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I mean I think it's a It's just it's just tragic, man.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Anytime someone passes from that, like it's like fuck man
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: like that, everyone starts to think, like, well, what could
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: have Like my mom's Like my mom's was a crackhead,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: My pops was a crackhead. My uncle did drugs and
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. I had, I had so many you
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, don't like and I mean you know,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: when you from the hood and stuff like that, and
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you grew up around that, Like that's just all you know,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: you pretty much numb to it, you know what I'm saying.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: So you know, when it came down to the relationship
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: with me and DMMX, I just looked at him as
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest artists I ever seen in my life.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: That's it, I I j I. I didn't really nomally
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: fond chance to life. I mean you know, I didn't.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't really get into uh not me don't like
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: me and him always had a respect for each other
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: where I mean we didn't. I mean, don't we have respect.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: We didn't dig deep and you know, I mean no,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: like X was a older brother to me, you know
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, he wasn't like like somebody
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I could be like ek So what they say, like
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: you find like I was his little brother, right right, right,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: right right. I just looked up to him, like how
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: you would look up to your big brother. You might
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: not be knowing that he's out there robbing liquor stores
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: or whatever you find out own, you know, is your right? Yeah,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: that's firsh shit, Mmmm, that's fair man. You talk about
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the Cash Money Tour, which was a adupt moment in
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: hip hop to have both of those crews on the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: road at the same time, obviously, Uh, I missed those
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: kind of toys. I feel like we don't get those
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: kind of toys and hip hop anymore, Like that kind
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: of energy where there was that bigger artist all together
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: at the same time on the same bill. I feel
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: like there's too much ego and hip hop now or
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: that kind of shit don't even fly no more. It's
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: just way too much egoye. You know, the word platforms
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: used way too much. Oh you know, I don't know
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: if I already want that on my platform. Yeah, there's
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: some bullshit. Everyone's so worried that. Yeah, Like think about it,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: rough Riders in cash Money, two different genres, like not,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: two different pieces of the country, two different, totally different
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: sonically movements coming together on the road is fucking crazy.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: That wouldn't even happen these days, Like it fucking you know,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: imagine if like Kendrick Lamar went on tour with fucking
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: NB a young boy. Yeah, people be like what that
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: don't even make sense? Give me some like what what what?
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: What's like your some of your favorite stories about that tour, Like,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: give me a story from that tour that you kind
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: of look back on. That was pretty crazy. Just me
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: being able to actually come out every night and rob
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the crowd. That's the biggest story for me, just me
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: actually going out there and representing trag. You know what
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I mean. You know, that's the biggest story for me.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: That's that's what I'm going always your mumbo, you know
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: what I man? You know, did you and Juvenile perform
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: together the record off the the last show in New York?
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: That's it? The ho tel We didn't perform in that
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: one time, but you guys did it do it once?
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: We did it once? And I think for New York?
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Did you do that song together in the studio, because
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: nowadays we think so it wasn't together. I met him
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: for the first time. I guess has been out number one. Wow, Hey,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: we got that song together. We got them that's it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: That shit is crazy on tour. Wow, that ship, that's
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: that's wold. You just put a new album out, which
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: is by the way you're spinning. Man, it feels like
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: you said, it feels like you had like you you
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: almost like you had a broke fucking point to prove.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: It's been almost twenty years since the last one. It's
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: like you can't come with no bullshit. I mean this,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, like this album right here. It started from
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: bof Part one and I had dropped that a couple
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: of years ago, and it did real good on the streets.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, the videos, like
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: some of the videos on there. I got two three
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: million views on my fan page, so it did real good.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Shout out to DJ get it right. Let me, he's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the one that actually started that because I didn't even
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: want to drop no mixed right my brother, but he
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: was like, nah, is doing good? Drag Ufonchin said like
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: you might could do it, And I mean I had
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: just dropped the Chok Them freestyle that did like three
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: four million on the streets, so h I mean you know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: so after that, it made me link up with them
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and do part two. So we did Part two and
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: then we did Part three together. So Part four was
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: kind of catering to those fan base that loved that
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: uh saga, but I really wanted them to know that
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I know how to do music too, so I put
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of different music and I mean, you know,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: after the fourth or fifth song, if you notice the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: album goal like another direction, which is me into a
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: biby type zone. You know what I'm saying, because you
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: know part one, two and three, I really was just like,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I'm back, I'm spitting part to talk about anybody. But
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: part four I didn't really care about that. I really
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: just wanted people to enjoy the project. Who's because there's
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: so many incredible MC's that are thriving right now in
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: hip hop. Who are some of the artists that you're
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: fans of that are currently kind of like on the
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: newer side of things. I like, I like Rowdy Rich
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Roddy of course, of course, man, mm hmmm. I like
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: money Bag Yell, money Bag Yell's fire. Uh. You know,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Kendrick, big fan of j Cole.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: You funk with any of the Griselda guys at all? Yeah, Yeah,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: that Griselda ship is like that's the energy, like I
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: feel like he's been missing, man, that's the energy that
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: New York was once. Of course, I have much respect
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: for for Grazil Direcords, like all the artists is over there,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Bennie and like, yeah, and I'm a huge fan of them.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, because they are just just keeping the hip
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: hop they their leaders and they know that they're not following.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: They actually said, Uh, so you were in Exit Wound's
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Cradle to the Grave. What are the movies? Were those
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the two? Uh, I'm a Grave. I shot another movie
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: with me and Love and Doctor Dre shout out to
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: those guys are legends Cradle two. I mean Exit Woons
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: had Steven Segall Cradle to the Grave at jet Lye
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: at the time. I mean, obviously those are two of
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the greatest like, uh, martial artists of all time when
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: it comes to just on movies, especially jetly Man. And
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: that was like early on in jet ly Is, like
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: you know, there was I feel like Jackie Channel was
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: like the first guy in the nineties that like like
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: was a superstar in China and crossed over and it
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: worked in America. And then there was jet Lye. What
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: was it like being on set with jet Lee? Like,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, cool, dude, you know
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know, he's real short, you know
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: what I mean, And he barely spoke English, but he
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: tried his best to speak to me in English, you
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I kind of respected that,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean because he know, his English
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: was real bad. I know, it might have looked like
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: he can talk you yeah, like a translator speech. Yeah.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: It's the whole time on every single part to get
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: it right. Did you like, you know, acting wise, I
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: feel like Ex's potential as an actor wasn't even sniffed. Like.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I feel like it could have been so much bigger,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Like for some reason, I mean, I don't know, we
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: just stopped getting DMX movies. You know, we had a
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: there was so many fire ass DMX movies. I don't
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: know if it was whatever was going on in his
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: personal life and he ended up stopped acting as much.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: But what did you like? Did he did he try
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to like kind of give you a lot of pointers
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: on the acting ship early on, because he was a
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: solid actor, unlike Nasa Nas was a terrible actor in
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: that movie. I'm just going to shout out to Nas.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: But Ex ex X is the reason why I'm in movies,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Of course, Ex is the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: reason for Dragon. So anything you've seen that I did,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: it's probably because he did it first and allowed me
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: to do it after. You know, what was it like
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: t describe Stephen Sigall as a very uh interesting fellow.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: What was what was being on a movie set with
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Stephen Sigga? Like it was real interesting cause he took
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: a liking to me, you know what I'm saying. For real,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You know, out of everybody
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: on this set, he didn't really rock with too many
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: people like Steven sicgall An. They type of person that
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: if he rock with you, he rock with you. If
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: he don't, he don't it like like you know what
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I mean. So you know he with him actually taking
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: a liking to me, like weird cause I grew up
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: on him, you know what I'm saying. You know, I
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: was a huge fan and all that. I was actually
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: able to tell him some of my favorite movies that
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: he did. Wow, Like you know what I'm saying, And
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: he was telling me what was going on at that time.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: So I'm just sitting there listening. So you know it
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: was dope, you know, I mean doing like Steven Seaga
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: was actually a cool dude, super cool dude, super cool
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: dude with me dance serious, you know what I'm saying.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you know what I mean. He used to
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: be in the studio with Casey and Jojo. So, I
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: mean he's into the music. That's so rare. I can
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you imagine walking into a session and it's and it's
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Casey and Jojo and Steven Sogal like all the time.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Were you ever in the studio with them? At the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: same time, I was about to say, that'd have been
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: that's gotta be crazy. Yeah, he'snna tell me stories and
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: all that stuff. He just said this listen, like, you
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. But he's into the music the whole.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, You know he's aware. Yeah, damn,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: that's that's wild man. The other thing I think that
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: is dope is like, you know, for people who are
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: watching this who might have the same situation, like you
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: have a speech impediment and you have never let that
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: be an excuse for you to do what you want
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: to do right, and you're also you know, some people
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: are shamed by that or they do their best to
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: hide it. But I think that it's important for there's
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: somebody who could be watching this right now who's going
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: through the same situation and might want to be a
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: rapper or might wanna think you might wanna do TV
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: or whatever. It might not think that they can you
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? And that's why, you know, I mean,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: you don't like when I first let it out, you
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? You don't on a swed show.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know that I have
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: a stuttering problem. I actually went up there, not trying
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: to hide it and stuff like that. Right now, I've
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: been studying a little bit on this. Yeah, they pretty
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: much gonna see it. But I've been working on it,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm not as bad.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: But if my studing is real bad, you know what
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, So I just stop hiding it because I
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: wanted people to know, all right, And I mean, you know,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: this is my imperfection, perfection, you know I'm not perfect.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I want them you know. I mean, you know, because
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I know it's a lot of people that's that's probably
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: capable of doing so many things that they be nervous
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: on how somebody's gonna look at it. Yeah, that'd be
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the whole thing of when you stutter and you catch
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: a real bad studying and then you're wondering if they're
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: looking at you like you're crazy? Right right, right? Right? Yeah.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: So with me being in a position that I am.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: This is this is what let them know that Nope,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: you have a studying problem. But you're not retarded. You say,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: you're not slow. I'm very intelligent. You know. Oh you've
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: also got had an extremely successful you know, career using
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: your voice and and and I think that that's got
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: to be inspirational because that would be the single most
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: insecure thing that anybody could probably do. And that's decided
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: to be an artist, a musician, you know, saying a
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: rapper stuff like that. I really stopped doing interviews because
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: of my student And then I said, nah, you know what,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: that's not a way where I can really show them
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: that it can actually be done with a studying problem.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know I was born with this. I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: got on both sides of my family. You know, my
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: father's stutter on my father's that's my father, Yeah, my mom.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: So my grandfather stuff badly he said, which he just
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: me which he just passed away. But uh, he had
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: a real bastarding problem to the front where you came
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: to quotem on the phone purpose you know what I'm saying.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: So you know I actually got it on both sides
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: of my family, you know what I mean? So I
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: just be wanting people to understand and know that it
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: could still be done. Even even with it. I could
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: bear them speeding, but I flat listen. I'm gonna tell
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you this, man. I pressed play on your new project,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I haven't heard a Dragon project. And
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: since I was I was in high school, maybe even
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: junior high, and was riding around to yesterday and I
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: was like, yo, it might like I know, not even
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: gassing you man, like this might be the lyrically the
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: most tip top I've heard you. You was really getting
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: getting off, bro, because you know, sometimes you press play,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: like all right, let me hear this ship. You know,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I'm afraid. I'm almost like, I'm afraid this just gonna
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: sound dated or something. It's gonna be. I had play
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: on that, bitch. I said this intro is grazy. The
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: next and I'm like, damn, and you had some lines
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: in now. I was like, yo, god man, Yeah, man,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I think, dude. I think, like I just had this
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: conversation with Jay Mills not too long ago, and I
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: think that there is a rare opportunity for artists such
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: as yourself who are lyrically inclined to really just you know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: thrive because I think the pandemic has made people listen
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: to music differently. When I like, most of the country
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: isn't standing on couches this the last year in the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: nightclub popping bottles. They're in their cars or they're at
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: home listening in their headphones. So the substance and the lyrics.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: That's why if you see the Grammy nominations from twenty twenty,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: it was all real rap shit. It was Royster five nine,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: it was Freddy Gibbs. It was all all lyrical, ill
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: rap shit. And I think that, you know, another thing too,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: is like don't hold on to music anymore, you know.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I think if anything, if anything that Griselda and Westside
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Gun and Conway and Benny the Butcher have taught us
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: over the last you know, four years, is run that
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: indie catalog up man, run it up for sure. The
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: music me I got dropped. I mean, you know, like
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I started my own record label, Code Environment, and we
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: put out music every week, go every two weeks. And
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: that's not just songs, you know what I'm saying. But
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: we don't really rely on DJs, so we put the
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: song out with the video every day. So smart. So
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: when you first hear the record, you're looking at it.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: That's fire. Yeah, that's smart. Man. Were you able to
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: make it to Ex's memorial service? How was it? Because
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I mean I thought it looked so amazing on TV. Uh.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know Kanye helped design like the stages.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: It just looked great. Man, it really you know, it
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: was obviously a very sad day, but like, how how
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: was it for you to go to that? It was
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: a lot for me to go to that, you know
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, I was in denial for
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: a long time, so I like, like me, I had
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: a hard time accepting it, Like you know what I'm saying,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to make my homie the rest.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Like I had a hard time accepting it. So I
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: actually booked my flight the day of, like I was
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: really contemplating it, you know what I'm saying. But I mean,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: you know, overall, I'm just glad I went for DMX. Yeah,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I mean it also, you know, just has to bring
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: up so much old feelings and then obviously every i
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: mean everyone through probably through your hip hop career, was there,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, were you able to reconcile or
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: see anybody there? That you hadn't talked to for a while,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: or I was just there for DMX. That was it,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: in and out. I was there for DMX. DMX passed away,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: So I was acting in such of that manner, you know,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I swet I saw, you know, obviously Swiss's speech I
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: thought was really I thought, I mean what he said
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: could be applied to anybody in your life, right, like
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: as far as just like being there for people, well
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: not just when they're gone, like being there when they're here.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: What did you think of just the services? Like like
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Swiss's speech, I thought was anybody should watch that if
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: they haven't seen it. You know, he kept it a thousand.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: But what were your thoughts on what he had to say?
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: And my thoughts was on my speech. But you you're
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: to worry about your own ship speech. My speech was
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: really focused on what he had done for me. You
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying and what he is to me,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm hurting that he passed away. How hard of
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: that is is that to write, like to put that
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: together into words. See, my speech just came from the heart.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't write it. So you just went up there
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: and just just told your truth. Man, just spoke exactly
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: what it was. You know what I mean. So I mean,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, like like what it like with my speech
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: being straight from the heart world genuine It made me,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: uh shed a tear, you know what I'm saying because
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I know where. Let mean, you know where it came from, right,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: a real place. I just I just wash, you know,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: happy that everybody showed DMX love, you know, the love
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: that he deserved. You know what I'm saying. You know
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: that was my thing. My thing was just shown up
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: for the homie. That's Have you been privy to hear
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: his new album at all? Anything from his new album?
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I heard two records from it, dope? You know what
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I mean. You know what I mean. You know like
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: DMX never really put out too much songs that wasn't great.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: He was just great period. This is true. I wish
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: we would have got more. Man. Yeah, I always think back,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: like what if DMX just never let up on this
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: rap shit? A lot of people's careers would have been
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: because man, I feel like he let up and that's
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: when you had the job rule slide in and have
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: his like you know, the R and B wave. And
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: it was really only because that X kind of just
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: let up on this ship, you know what I'm saying,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: and with it the acting and you know what I mean,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: it was like it kind of left the hold. Yeah,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: it's crazy. Would there ever be a or would you
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: ever consider being a part of a Rough Rider reunion?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I mean obviously without X that's gonna be hard to accomplish.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: But focused on my record label called Hood Environment, which
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: we just dropped the album March fifth, and we're doing
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: successful with that company. That's a company I started since six.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: It's two thousands, it's twenty twenty one. So this has
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: been a long grind. I got my release Smith from
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Rough Riders in seven I was not men, you know,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: and I started my record label from then. So it's
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: been so focused on that. I mean, you said that
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: that lawsuit kind of broke you, right, so I can
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: only imagine that getting on the other side of that,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: like the animosity you might have towards Rough Riders in general,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: like who told you that? No, I'm saying that you
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: said that after you got released that going through and
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: high and lawyers and stuff, you ended up like kind
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: of broke, end up. I ended up being broke. I
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: ended up being uh he had to go back to
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the streets. But I had to go back to the
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: streets and restarted my career. So you ended up homeless
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: after Rough Riders, Yeah, I was. I was actually homeless
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: while I was still on rough Riers. You were homeless,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: So so explain to me being homeless, Like, wouldn't you
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: say homeless? What does that mean? So you actually were
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: definitively homeless while still being on rough Riders? Right, So
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I started my company and just kept building for the
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: past ten years. So did d n Y know you
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: were homeless or was that something where it was like
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: it was just that the relationship was so sour. I
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: don't know, Like, you know, like once I left Rough Riders,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I focused on hood environment. Right. Damn for people watching
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: this man, that that's that's a low that it's hard
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: to come out of being homeless, right, especially being Dragon
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: from rough Riders, hitting homelessness, having to get back to
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: the streets to get your money up. The perseverance that
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: that takes, the dedication, the like mental fortitude that that takes.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Then I let that shit break. You gotta be crazy, man, Yeah, yeah,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You know, at the end
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: of the day, I don't really like rely too much
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: on the people that's down here on this earth with
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: me say, I rely on God. God got me, you
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you know I'm here on
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: the strength of God. I am living proof that God
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: will help you if you ask them, you know what
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you pray, if you prayed up, if
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: you keep yourself within the bubble of prayer, then God
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: will be there for you, and and and even for
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: the people that don't pray, but just believe in God.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: God got them too, you know what I'm saying. So
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: my thing was just mean, Like once I did that,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I just focus on my company, and then the streets
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: started catching on to it. So I just focused on that.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: How long was that period of time that you were
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: actually homeless, like before you got to play? Like how long?
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Like how long was that? A year and a half?
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Two years? Like wow, damn man, we look you came
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: a long way, bro, And uh as listen, you're a
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: part of history. You are a part of history, man.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: And how did you think that the documentary came out
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: on BT the was it was? It? Was it? The five?
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Was it five episodes? Something like that? Oh, you didn't
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: watch it. I didn't watch it. I thought I thought
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: it was dope. I mean again, I'm I'm a fucking
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I used to tag up
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: DMX and rough Rider logo on all my folders and
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: that was all the posters I had in my room.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: And so it was just like, yeah, this ship is great,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's also kind of got to be
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: crazy too, because like you're kind of like a part
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: of a fraternity that will forever exist on this planet
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with hip hop. Like the
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Motorcycle Club ship is so big, big just the culture
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: of that are that has nothing to do with the
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: music or the record label. It's just so big. It's like,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Look, your album is out,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: are you? I hope you keep putting out. You're gonna
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: keep putting out more albums. Yes, we're working on I'm
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: already working on another project that's so dope right now,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: it's out of here, you know what I mean. So,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: you know, we don't have a name. Somebody just used
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: the damn name, but they didn't know which name was.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: It was the name that just been used, right, So
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but they didn't know that that
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: was the name of right right, right right, So you
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: gotta switch the name of them, switch the name of now,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: switching the name. But it's so good though, you know,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: the music is great. It sounds super big, you know
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, it's it's it and it's
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: and it's actually better than bof four, you know what
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, because it got just a little bit more
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: of a music type of vibe on this joint that
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I just know everybody gonna love. Hey, what I didn't
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: ask you about? I always was curious about Eve Man
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: and Eve was I think when we when we always
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: talk about the greatest female hip hop rappers of all time.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: For some reason, I feel like people kind of just
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: don't bring her up. And I think that's just because
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: she hasn't been acted for a while. But like, uh,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: what was your relationship like with Eve? So just like
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: any brother or sister relationship, highs and lows, and it
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: was always love that said sisters, you know what I mean.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: You know you can actually go to my Instagram piece. Actually,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I think like my last post or the post before that,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: you see when we sell each other, it's genuine, you
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know it's Brother's Sistance. That's it.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: That's a beautiful thing. Man, we'll look drag on the legend.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Go get the album, go stream it, and man, welcome
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: to Cali too. Yes, yes, it's glad to have you
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: on the West Coast. I love the weed. Man boomed up.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: See ready,