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Nazi-Looted Art FOUND in a Property Listing (w. Kira from The Art Revival) · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Albranch.
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  Speaker 1: This week we're going to be talking about my latest
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  Speaker 1: foe move mom, all the reasons why you should never
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  Speaker 1: go to Times Square, The one time I saw a
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  Speaker 1: guy get stabbed and stolen art with my good friend
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  Speaker 1: Kira from the art Revival.
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 1: I can't move like too much to the like my neck.
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  Speaker 2: I you know what you did?
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  Speaker 1: No no no no no no no. I was not
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  Speaker 1: at the club.
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  Speaker 2: No no, no, no no. You did the other thing.
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  Speaker 2: You had a full move he did.
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  Speaker 1: Please tell her to throw Magley's photo up there with
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: the definition of mom, which is a bad movement in
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  Speaker 1: Haitian creole.
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  Speaker 2: My mother would love that ship because you know my
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  Speaker 2: mom is, she's on social media.
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  Speaker 1: She's out in these streets.
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  Speaker 2: Me.
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  Speaker 1: I can't I throw at my neck.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to get this guy's number for my friend.
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  Speaker 1: I was at a sushi restaurant.
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  Speaker 2: Well if you weren't at Taco Bell.
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  Speaker 1: Not again, not again. And I did like a little
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  Speaker 1: like oh hey and snap to the bend and snap
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  Speaker 1: and I with the neck throw my neck.
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  Speaker 2: Out, whipping your hair back in.
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  Speaker 1: I got his number though, and I gave.
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  Speaker 2: It to my friend and are they going to call it?
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  Speaker 1: I think so. I hope it works out if I'm
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  Speaker 1: a really good wingman, are you? Yeah, because I don't
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  Speaker 1: have any shame, so like I have no problem walking
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  Speaker 1: up to a person and just being like blue knock
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  Speaker 1: over there, drink and be like, I'm so sorry, let
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  Speaker 1: me buy another drink? What was your name again? I'm
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: actually clinically insane. I'm wanted in all fifty cents?
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  Speaker 2: Is that how you got your husband? Did you over here?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 1: We met online? But I but I mean I've done
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  Speaker 1: and all sorts of unbelievable things in bars to.
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  Speaker 2: Talk to people, and my husband online too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's the way of the world now.
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  Speaker 2: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: But lied, Oh we all lie on the internet. No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: no no.
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  Speaker 2: I mean when my mom asked, when my people asked
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  Speaker 2: me how I met him, I said that I met
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  Speaker 2: him in a restaurant, and they didn't find out that
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  Speaker 2: we met online. And so before we got married, because
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 1: Like you knew you were going to get shipped from
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  Speaker 1: your family a.
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  Speaker 2: Few Yeah, it was. It just felt at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them worth it where it's like, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: saying it's easier to lie about that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then then he went opened his trap and told
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  Speaker 2: the whole world I have.
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  Speaker 1: To go to a gala this week. They it's like
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  Speaker 1: an immigration gala for I honestly have no idea. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't read it.
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  Speaker 2: What are you wearing?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? I have a I have a whole like black tip.
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  Speaker 1: I have one look for black time ends and I
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  Speaker 1: just keep wearing it. I'm like Tiffany Hatter did the
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: same thing. She bought one nice dress when she first.
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  Speaker 2: I don't love her, but go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm like kind of indifferent. I mean I really
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  Speaker 1: liked the sort of like U like the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: like like her being everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah. And then and then she started speaking.
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  Speaker 1: What was she saying?
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  Speaker 2: Well? What did you say stuff that I didn't like?
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  Speaker 2: Let's move on.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, there's beef.
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  Speaker 2: Hope you're not began, there's no there's no beef. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know her, Okay, but I asked.
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  Speaker 1: For four plus ones to the gala. I guess that's
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  Speaker 1: plus four. I just like my friends are visiting, And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, well, if I'm going to go to
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  Speaker 1: this and they were like, we want you there, we
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  Speaker 1: want you to take photos, we want you to post
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, that's fine, but I'm bringing my friends.
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  Speaker 2: That isn't let me tell you out of the people,
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  Speaker 2: out of your plus fours, I didn't get an invitation.
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  Speaker 1: I see all the time these people are visiting.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care. You don't think I want to get
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  Speaker 2: dressed up and go someplace. You don't think that there
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  Speaker 2: is some estate fine in my class.
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  Speaker 1: Is exactly what Magalie would say. This is exactly what Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: oh you invited. I don't want to go, and I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't invited and I didn't go if you did invite me,
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  Speaker 1: but how dare you not invite me?
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to go anywhere ever? Wow? But and
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  Speaker 2: you know that.
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  Speaker 1: However, however, if you don't invite me, it's over.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's over. It's over.
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  Speaker 1: What happened at the estate seale?
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  Speaker 2: Nothing happened at the estate sale. However, I did think
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  Speaker 2: about you because you wear suits all the time I do.
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  Speaker 2: And when you buy things at estate sales. I hope
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  Speaker 2: people know this right, you all are buying things at
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: estate sales and thrift stores and you're washing them right
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: or you're sending them to clean.
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  Speaker 1: If I buy anything, I have a friend who works
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  Speaker 1: in like products. Yeah, and she said she went to
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  Speaker 1: the factories where the products are made.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: And she was like, don't ever anything. You buy every
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  Speaker 1: wash it and write it down if you can't wash it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So even if you get like a shirt from the store, yes,
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  Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, I got.
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  Speaker 2: Rapecially like towels and sheets and things up on the floor,
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  Speaker 2: even if it's coming out of the package. So I
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  Speaker 2: took a bunch of stuff to the dry cleaners dry cleaning.
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  Speaker 2: I need to take a mortgage out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh a long, Oh, oh my god, there is like
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  Speaker 1: my dry cleaner has a full country home paid for
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  Speaker 1: buy me. I think on the title, like it is
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: actually crazy how much money I spent on drag clean.
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  Speaker 2: It was I forget what, I forget the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: I brought, But it ended up being like two hundred
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  Speaker 2: and sixty dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Dry cleaners run this town. New York City is owned
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  Speaker 1: and operated by dry cleaners, bodegas, and the food delivery guys.
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  Speaker 1: Like literally, without them, the whole city of criminal collapse.
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  Speaker 1: Most apartments don't have washers and dryers like it does
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  Speaker 1: in unit and the washers and dryers the shared ones
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  Speaker 1: in the building.
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  Speaker 2: No, you people are nasty.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be the next strain of COVID comes
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  Speaker 1: from the washers building.
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  Speaker 2: It is disgusting dog biscuits. It is.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's like Freddy Krueger's there. It's disgusting down there.
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: This is sidebar. We're going to talk a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about what's going on in court this week, what's happening
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  Speaker 1: in the news, what's happening in immigration and criminal court,
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: what's going on, what is going on in the world.
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  Speaker 2: A lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've always promised to bring like a fun
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  Speaker 1: little update from court. This one's honestly, well, they're never
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  Speaker 1: actually fun. It's usually horrifying, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, but they're maybe not, but they're always kind of interesting.
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: Is this like a but is this a sad one?
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  Speaker 1: The casting director, Yeah, for a different show that I
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  Speaker 1: said no to, asked me for like legal advice on
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  Speaker 1: how to sue.
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  Speaker 2: The network that they were trying to get you to
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  Speaker 2: come on.
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  Speaker 1: During the casting process. The casting director and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to be so vague when I say. This was basically like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: so I've got like an issue with a contract with
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  Speaker 1: my my manager. And I was like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: are you seriously asking? You're trying to get me on
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  Speaker 1: the show and you've got legal issues that were Do you.
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  Speaker 2: Want to know what this reminds me of? Do you
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  Speaker 2: want to know what this reminds me of? Remember that
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  Speaker 2: time you were working someplace and you hated it and
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  Speaker 2: you tried to get me to come on.
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  Speaker 1: We're not talking about this. No. I worked out a
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  Speaker 1: small nonprofit and he was unhappy and I was there
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  Speaker 1: for like six months and me I tried to recruit
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  Speaker 1: Melissa with a huge salary benefits.
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  Speaker 2: And then I went and I talked to the person
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  Speaker 2: and she hated it. I hated the person, and then
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  Speaker 2: I almost newly hated him.
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  Speaker 1: It was a tiny nonprofit. Oh my god, it was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: It was all I didn't realize yet that I wanted
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  Speaker 1: out so bad, And it was like, what's going on
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  Speaker 1: is they didn't like or know anyone?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, you knew right away you did,
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  Speaker 2: and then you tried to get me to go be
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  Speaker 2: with you.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, he loves company from.
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  Speaker 2: Me, I wouldn't do that to you. So tell me
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  Speaker 2: more about this person.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it was okay, we moved we moved on, and
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  Speaker 1: I withdrew from that casting.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no no, But does the person still need your help?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to help them?
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: I might?
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  Speaker 2: I think, are you going to help them?
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  Speaker 1: Because so basically I do this a lot when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to like people asking for legal advice, I kind
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  Speaker 1: of kick it back and I'm like, okay, do these
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  Speaker 1: three things, send it to me, and then I'll start
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  Speaker 1: working on it, just to do like a proof Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it's really easy to just like DM me and be
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  Speaker 1: like heylah blah blah blah blah, I need help. So
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  Speaker 1: I usually like refer back with like an a couple
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  Speaker 1: questions just to like proof of concept. This person is
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  Speaker 1: actually like going to do the work and follow up
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  Speaker 1: and answer my questions because that's like, you know, dialogue
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  Speaker 1: between you and your attorney is so important. So I
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  Speaker 1: kind of did that. I pushed back and was like,
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  Speaker 1: this is what we kind of need from you.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think it's wild that somebody who tried
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  Speaker 2: to get you to come over to their camp now wants.
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  Speaker 1: To Oh for sure, yeah, oh definitely.
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  Speaker 2: That's wild. Why would you do something like that?
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  Speaker 1: It was sort of like, wow, maybe you're the problem.
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: Probably probably probably did you get the sense of that
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: the person is okay or not okay? Like what was
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  Speaker 2: your feeling about the person?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't say.
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  Speaker 2: I think we know what that means. Friends.
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  Speaker 1: I went to Dave and Busters during my I had
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  Speaker 1: an hour between court and I was like in midtown
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  Speaker 1: and I went to Dave and Busters because I was like,
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: I'm bored. I want to play some video games.
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  Speaker 2: Did you do that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh, I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: When was the last time you were in David Buster?
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  Speaker 1: The last time was David Busters was a year ago? Well, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and I saw a man get stabbed and he died.
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  Speaker 2: Was oh my, I was gonna laugh. I started to laugh,
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  Speaker 2: and then you said he died.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well you can laugh at this part. I found
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  Speaker 1: out through my chiropractor. I didn't realize he died, and
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  Speaker 1: it was it's a shared chiropractor that Melissa and I
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  Speaker 1: got to.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, no.
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  Speaker 1: She messaged me and was like, I saw you posted
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: from David Busters. Did you see that that man died?
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  Speaker 1: The guy the guy got stabbed there and died and
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: I was like.
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: Really, chiropractor. They found it.
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: I guess they found it on like the post, like
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: it was like on GM or something, and I was like,
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I was there. I saw that man
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  Speaker 1: go down like a secon ship. I thought it was
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: like a fight, and I was like, uh, playing the
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: basketball game. I was there. That's going to be sure,
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be the YouTube clip. Is I lived it.
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  Speaker 1: That's the Times Square stabbing at David Busters in Times
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: Square on the phone, I know, and like it really
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: had no business being there, but it is the nearest
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  Speaker 1: Dave and Busters to my lifestyle. Okay, perfect day for me,
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: David Busters, taco bell and a stabbing and a little stabbing.
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  Speaker 1: And there's actually a difference between a stabbing and a slashing,
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: and we can get into it. Yeah that sounds but
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  Speaker 1: like statutory there's there's like you have to be clear
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  Speaker 1: as a reporter and as a lawyer and a prosecutor
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  Speaker 1: that this was a slashing not a stabbing.
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  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: I saw this, yo, it was a stabbing, not a slashing.
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  Speaker 1: He got stabbed.
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  Speaker 2: What have I said?
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  Speaker 1: Good?
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: What do I say?
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: I'm square?
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: That's what I say every time I said that decent
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  Speaker 2: people have.
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: No decent people such decent folk. No, no, it is true,
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  Speaker 1: nothing good could happen.
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  Speaker 2: I mean and listen for people who were coming to
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  Speaker 2: New York to our fair city, sure shore Shore, but
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: real New Yorkers do not go to Times Square. It's
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  Speaker 2: so busy, it's congested, the food is overpriced and not
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  Speaker 2: that good.
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to buy a dimebag from the people
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  Speaker 1: in the like costumes that take photos of you, don't.
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: You don't need to buy a dimebag from anybody anymore.
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: Go to a dispensary. But you're not a dinbag for
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: isn't it all like marijuana duck like?
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  Speaker 1: Not cool? I am dining bag.
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  Speaker 2: Go in nineteen ninety seven. You're going to get a
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  Speaker 2: dime bag.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited. We're going to be joined by my
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  Speaker 1: close friend Kira, who is an art content creator and
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  Speaker 1: the incredible face and voice behind the Art Revival. Hi. Hi, welcome, Heira, Yay, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: He excited, met you're here.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having.
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  Speaker 1: Me, Thank you so much for joining us. We're really excited.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it would be great to include Kira on
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  Speaker 1: this episode because we're going to be talking a lot
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  Speaker 1: about art law all the weird things that happen in
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  Speaker 1: museums and galleries. As y'all know, I do have some
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  Speaker 1: like deep lore before I was a criminal lawyer and
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: an immigration lawyer that I worked at art galleries as
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  Speaker 1: an art lawyer. And Kira, I think we've connected on
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  Speaker 1: this a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: We have it.
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  Speaker 1: We'll buckle up because I've seen some crazy shit and
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: the NDAs have expired. Really no, I wasn't under NDA,
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  Speaker 1: but I do have some cool stories, some crazy stories.
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  Speaker 1: Some things have happened. Yeah, but I thought it would
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  Speaker 1: be great to include you in this episode so we
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: could talk a little bit about your work. I think
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: we should play a quick clip of one of Kua's videos,
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: just so you get a sense of what she does
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  Speaker 1: on the internet, because it's so fun.
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  Speaker 3: This painting comes with onions, Woa Tolmina Maxiicola is a
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  Speaker 3: master of life.
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  Speaker 2: And look at these leaves. What is that? Parsley?
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  Speaker 1: Wait, so how did you get into like the art world?
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  Speaker 1: Like you make these cool videos, You go to what
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  Speaker 1: seems like a gallery like multiple a day waiting for
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  Speaker 1: you to like run out of art shows to go
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  Speaker 1: to like I follow your videos and I watch them
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, how does I didn't realize that there
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: was this much fucking art in the world. Yeah, so much.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially in New York. There's so much. I can't
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  Speaker 3: see it all.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Really.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there are so many galleries it's insane. And not
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: even galleries, there's like museums and public art and just yeah,
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  Speaker 3: everything happened.
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  Speaker 1: I had like an e Prey love moment a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years ago where I was like, every week I'm
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: going to take thirty minutes and go to a gallery
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  Speaker 1: because I live near Chelsea, Like it's easy for me
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  Speaker 1: to just walk into a gallery and just like see
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  Speaker 1: what's up. And I was like looking for inspiration. I
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: was sort of at like a moment in my life.
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: Have you ever been in one of those moments?
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: I'm always that, I'm always in a moment she lives And.
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  Speaker 1: It was fun, though, I to like force myself to
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: go to a gallery because there are so many and
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: it changes over so quickly. Right, Is there anything that's
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: sort of like going on in the art world right
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: now that's like kind of exciting that you really want
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: to talk about or something that just like really peat
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  Speaker 1: your interest.
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: So you mentioned Chelsea and have you seen the giant pigeon?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Oh my god, just.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: Looking at the giant pigeons.
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  Speaker 3: Literally just look at the giant Yeah. So that's not
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: like a new thing, but it is leaving I think
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  Speaker 3: next year. It's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're visiting New York, if you're watching this
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: on YouTube, throw up a photo of the giant pigeon.
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  Speaker 2: C Jay.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't want to see a little pigeon, but
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: I did see the big amazing, so cool.
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  Speaker 3: It's hand painted and yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I didn't realize that it's it's.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Like a legit.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: And it's gorgeous and it's so cute, and yeah, it's
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: just magic.
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like I want to take this moment to
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: tell people instead of going to Times Square, go look
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: at the giant pigeons. Honestly, we were talking about how
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: nothing happens, how much I personally, as a native New Yorker,
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: hate Times Square.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: There's no art there either.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: There actually is art in Times Square, and they put
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: they have a there's actually a Times Square art So true,
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: I should And it's not that the day of Busters
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: is it No, But they like light up all of
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: the billboards in Times Square. They like work with an
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: artist for like a minute during midnight. They'll project crazy stuff.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Oh that's cool, that's actually cool.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: Then they had an amazing artist, Thomas J. Price, who
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: creates these monumental people, and they had his sculpture of
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: this like black woman.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Where did you see? Oh yeah, I did see that.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: I saw your reviews.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: That's right, that's right that it was horrible being there,
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: well in Times Square, so many people like recording it.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: It was like, but it was great, Okay.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I went to Times Square for there's like the Time
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Square Alliance had like a party on New Year's and
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I got invited and it was actually really cool because
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: they like caught an off part of the street just
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: for like people at this party. So it was like
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: this like empty part of Time Square in the middle
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: of New Year's Eve, which was actually really fun. So
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: that was fun to be there for that. But I think,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Public art is so interesting because of
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: the ways in which like people relate to it in
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: the way they treated you remember the like video that
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: connected Ireland and the US. Yes, and people started doing
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: obscene to cover.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people can't help themselves, right, and like people.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Can help but expose themselves in the flat iron.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's really true. How did you decide that,
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: like art was going to be your thing? At what
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: point in your life did you realize that this is
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: really important to me as a baby?
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, sorry, just like real quick.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: My mom is an artist, and so I grew up
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: like around art, going to museums, going to exhibitions, and
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: like it was always a very fun thing. So I
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: just always loved art.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Are you an artist?
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not. I do like little silly crafts here.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to say a little silly no crafting.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: I take my crafting.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying I'm not like looking at my work
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my god, it's amazing, But my
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: mom is and it's all Christmas presents.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: You're still making paintings for your mom.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: She's she's literally like you need to give me like
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: a handmaide. Oh I love.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: It's not because.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: She puts so much pressure on me, you know, And
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: I'm just making something for my mom, you know, but
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, it has to be perfect
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: to answer your question and to make.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Art for another artist. Okay, that is actually I'm not
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: cooking for a chef. You don't want, you don't want.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I've heard like chefs say that that's like a point
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: of a pain point for them, that nobody wants to
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: cook for them and they just want to be asked
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: over to someone's house.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: You know what, you chose this life. If you're a
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: chef and you need to get the fuck over it,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I am No one forced you to learn
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: how to slice like that perfectly.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Anyway, back to your mom, Yeah, so she's an artist.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: What kind of art is your mom?
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: She's mixed mixed medie, mixed medium watercolor.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Ok.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: I think that's why I'm not an artist because at
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: the age of like six, I'm drawing nothing and she's
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: drawing a body and I'm like, oh, I can't do that,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: and I'm a perfectionist. So I'm like, I suck, you know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: even though she's like whatever, thirty something. So yeah, I'm
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: not an artist, and I love art. I really I
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: love art.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly clearly if you're you know, spending your days
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: chopesing around the city to like look at it and
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: also to share it with other people. I think I
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: think wow to see it.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, So on TikTok you covered a story of Kersha Kashell,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: who was women's only art lounge and was sued for discrimination.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I wanted to bring you on to talk about this
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: today because dealing with civil rights laws and Title nine
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and how these laws are enforced and how discrimination cases
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: sort of make it to a courtroom and how they're
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: sort of enforced around the country was very interesting to me.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: So when I heard about this, I actually heard about
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: it from your video. I thought it would just be
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: cool to sort of get into it. So could you
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about that situation, like what
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: actually happened that precipitated a discrimination lawsuit against an artist
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: who was having a women's only sort of lounge.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Can you sort of share with this? Also, like what
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: kind of art does Krisha do? Like what's her Oh yeah,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: what's her medium?
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Well, so she is not necessary, she's more of like
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: a performance art. She's just like an artsy person, gotcha.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: But before the art lounge, she actually faked a Picasso.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: So let me tell you about the art lounge for Okay, Yeah,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: So at the Mona, which is a museum in Tasmania
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: who her husband actually owns the museum. She was like,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I want to make a woman's only art lounge. And
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: it was this fabulous velvet green area and she had
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: great art there, world renowned art, and only women or
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: people identifying as women could come in and see the art.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: So this man came in, bought a ticket to the
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: museum and was like, I want to go to the
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: women's only lounge and they were like no. He sued
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: for discrimination, he won, and then she appealed and the
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: whole thing was kind of crazy because she had all
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: these women, like thirty or twenty or thirty women, yeah,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: in suits. She created this woman's only art lounge. A
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: man named Jason Laus suit her for discrimination and the
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: court ended up ruling in laws favor. And they walk
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: into court and they're like dancing and it's like, oh,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: that's so cool. But then she gets up on stage,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: well gets up on the Yeah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know in
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Tania what the sort of looked like. I know they
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: wear wigs.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: And she basically says that that that the purpose of
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: the art lounge was to discriminate against men because women
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: had been discriminated for centuries.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, so like, if you are watching this and you
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: are doing that, please don't admit to discrimination and open
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: court in defiance of your attorney. I would that would
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: be so treacherous for your if I were your lawyer
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: representing you and you no, no, no no no, I
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: was no.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: No no no. Mlissen that a. This is wondering though,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I wonder since she is a performance artist, could that
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: be considered performance art? Right?
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, there was something that she said that it
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: was like law fifty seven fifty six, but it's said
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: that certain groups who had been discriminated, like people of
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: color or women, can discriminate if it leads to more equality.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: It's something interesting. So there are some like similar laws
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: in the US where like you can technically, like there's
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: a there's a big question on the bar exam when
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I took it that, like you can technically break the
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: law and advise your client to break the law in
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: very specific situations if it is to prove that a
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: law is like specifically unjust. It's like a very narrow
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: sort of definition, like you can't do it to prove
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: that like robbing is okay, like you can't like it.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: You can't tell them like oh your pocket, yeah, like
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: go for it. And it's like a very specific sort
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: of I guess technically crimes that you can break the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: law and commit the crime in order to then go
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: on and have standing in front of certain courts to
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: then try your case.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: So she didn't win. Initially she lost. The guy won, yes, right,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: And what happened then was that at that point did
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: they sort of close the exhibition at the said the library,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: but at the museum, or did they allow men to attend.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: So when he won, the judge was like, was like
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: open the lounge to anybody, and she was like, no,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: thank you, So they closed it down completely. Got and
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: then she won her appeal and then she was allowed
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: to open it up again, and then she opened it
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: up and then she got on stage. Well she had
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: a little interview and she was like, I want to
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: thank the man his name with Jason Low. I want
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: to thank Jason Wow so much pursuing me because you
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: basically show that like women are better than men, the
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: men can keep appealing and this is what Kersha has
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: to say to them. We'll see how the men take it.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: And then are a little hysterical. I'm a bit concerned.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: They're troubled by the power of women. And then she's like,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: any man that wants to work in the lounge can
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: apply to be a butler. Oh women, yeah, I love
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: that actually. But about the Picasso, Oh yeah, there was
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: she yes, in the lounge, there was like actual art,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: like I forgot who it was, but cool art, you know.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: But she was in the lounge and she's like, I
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: need a Pilasso. And she even is quoted by saying
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: that a lot of her friends have Picassos. So she's like,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I could get a Pilasso, but I wanted a green
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Piicasso because everything's in the lounge. So she painted her
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: own green Piicasso and pretended like it was real, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: then it was it came out that it was fake,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: and then she was like, guys, I've been waiting.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: She sounds so cool, so fun.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the whole point of her painting the Picasso
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: was to be found out, to be found out, y gotcha?
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: And then does anything happen? I mean I'm assuming that
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: something could only happen if you tried to sell it
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: as a real Picasso.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think, yeah, she probably wasn't impressed. She can't
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: forge it, she was never made.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: She basically made up a whole.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: If she was like charging admission to go in and
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: see the Picasso claiming it was.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Wasn't she No, it's probably lounge was yeah right, No
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: one was paying to enter the women's lounge, gotcha.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: And then actually the Paassa Foundation responded and they were like,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: it's all right, okay, this is the current update with
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: the woman who thanked a Picasso. Picasso found should have
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: gents about the forged paso. So they say, well, we
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: can only regret the situation and the current overexposure. We
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: believe that this matter is now closed. Oh, everything's all right.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So with her as that one man, one man,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a typical.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Being, like there's one place I'm not allowed. I'm gonna
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: freak out and I'm gonna sue over like that.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: It is a natural quote. The men are acting a
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: little hysterical. They may appeal, but they're not appealing to me.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I love that. That is great, that's great, all right.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Let's get into I thought it would be nice to
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: have care join us because we're going to be talking
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a lot about stolen art. So Warhols were stolen. This
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: lawsuit is from twenty twenty five. This man, Thomas Trotta,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: was arrested and charged and sentenced to eight years in
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: federal prison for his role in an art theft ring.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: So this case was actually a federal case because it
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: involved like multiple states in New York, New.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Jersey, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, North, North Dakota.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Actually, I bet there's like a there's probably like one
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: incredible art museum in North Dakota.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Probably the one, the one, but we don't know of
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: North Dakota people of.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: North Dakota police. Yeah, man, let us correct us, correct us,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: so that we got wrong. I've never been.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Never it's beautiful, It's probably really great.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: There's I'm sure. I'm sure it's gorgeous. Actually, very sure.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Which ones? Where the where those four heads are those guys.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: It's like they've got the four dudes. They're like all
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the the presidents, the dead ones. Oh yeah, yeah, Now
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: that's in North Dakota. I think I don't fact check
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: fact check me. Common below Trump.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Wants to have his Did you hear that that Trump
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: wants to have his head chiseled into next to Lincoln
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, So like I know my I know my angles,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Like we have these cameras set up like very specifically
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: for my angles. I would never if I had those ankles,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I would never be like, let's memorialize this in the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: side of a fucking mountain. I'm sorry, I am like
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: pretty snatched, like I'm not like I'm six seven, like
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm not like O my ten put my face
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: on a mountain and like I'm me but like the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: president saying that, but he.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: But okay, but he's not looking at himself like the
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: rest of us are looking at him. He's got all
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: kinds of.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Ros I mean, he's not looking at himself at all.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: He's unconscious half the time, Like I think there's like
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: a diminished capacity.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: No, I think I actually think that this man is
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: looking at himself. And he's just like, yeah, this is no.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Put this on a mountain.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Put this on a mountain, a mountain, on a stamp.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: He wants to what colors the mountain. Is it like
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: an orange hue or.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Is it No, it's not.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: It's like all I was going to say, it might
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: actually work.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's like I think it's like
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: it's like a white.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Stony white mountain.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, gray, yeah yeah.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I wonder if the people of North Dakota are upset
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: about this.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Is it really in North Dakota.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: It might be South Dakota.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: It's in the Dakota.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: One of the digress, I would go brief recess on
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: the road, join us next week, yep, road trip. But
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: they stole like all these different artworks from different establishments.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: One was they snuck in through a tent and stole
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: it from the museum because they were having like a party.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: And because they stole the paintings in different states, it
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: technically invoked the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. So commerce
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: clause is we're going to do like a little audio there.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I want to fly in Okay. But they put the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Commerce Clause on both my shoulders because I know all
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: about the Commerce Clause because they don't fucking shut up
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: about it. In law school, all they talk about is
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the damn Commerce Clause. So the Commerce Clause is basically
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the government, the federal government can regulate and has jurisdiction
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: over anything having to do with interstate commerce. So anything
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: that crosses the state line is technically interstate commerce. And
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: it's like this like weird part of the law where technically,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: like the states and the federal government are always beefing
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: over like who's going to tell who to do what,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and the federal government over the history of the nation
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: was like, hey, anytime business crosses the border between states,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: it's we take jurisdiction. That's mine, baby. So technically, because
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: they were robbing different states, it was governed by the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: federal jurisdiction, so they had to go to federal court
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: for these crimes. They were arrested and charged and Thomas
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: ended up serving eight year sentence, so he's currently in jail.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Person currently in But this is like one of these
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I thought it was really interesting. There's
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: like this common trend in art theft where it's almost
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: like kind of sexy the way that like people and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the news sort of like deal with art theft. It's
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: sort of like one of these like cool crimes that
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: people are It's not like, oh my god, this like
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: awful thing happened. It's like there's sort of.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Like this like a little bit of like a victimless crime, right.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, or like it's a crime of like the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: ultra wealthy and like we don't feel too sad about it.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: There's just like I thought it was cool from like
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: a cultural perspective of like the way that people are
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: going to be tree this case is people really tune
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: in because you're right, it is like a victimless crime.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: It feels that way. It does feel that way.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Are there other like stolen looted art situations that you
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: know about that you want to talk a little bit about.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Recently there was a Nazi looted art situation.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: All right, yeah, I heard about this. Yeah.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: He was a man very close to Hitler got this
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: artwork by frag Algario, that's the artist, and it's called
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Portrait of a Lady and then it like passed hands
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: and it went to his financial advisor, and then it
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: went to his daughter. And she's been living in Argentina
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: and for ten years, these journalists were trying to get
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: it and.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: They like could not did they know where it was?
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: They couldn't know. They didn't find it right, they didn't
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: know where it was. They just thought that she had it.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: And he's just like a huge problem. Like Nazi looted
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: art was just sort of like blasted around the world.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Like Hitler had like a really systematic We talked about
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: it in law school. They had like a systematic way
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: in which he was like looting museums, galleries, people's homes
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and sort of like appraising and then redistributing the artwork
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: as an asset to people in his circle. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the artwork was stolen from this art dealer.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, he had thousands of his work store.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, so over ten years that they were trying to
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: find this artwork, and this journalist like in like a
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: la last ditch effort, he shows up to the house
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: of this woman. He knocks on the door if she
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: doesn't answer, because she has an answer for ten years.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: And then in the yard there's a for sale sign
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: and he like gets back in his hotel and he's like,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: let me look up the real estate, let's say. And
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: then above the couch is the painting.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that. That was the one that
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I told you about. It was the person found it
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: in Zillow like they were looking at they were looking
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: for a house. I didn't realize it. I didn't realize
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: it was that. Yeah, that situation, but it was on
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: the Zillow ad of the house. The art that had
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: been stolen by the nuts had been living in this
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: woman's house for years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so he called in all the proper people
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: they like raided the house and it was missing, and
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: in its place was this like tapestry of horses. And
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: then they put these people on house arrest and they
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: were like, listen, you have this thing, and they're like, mind,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: we don't.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine being that, Like tapestry of horses are just like
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the understudy for like the real star, and like you've
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: got to go on. Everyone's watching you and you're like
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: everyone showed up to see the star and you're just
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: like a crusty.
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  Speaker 3: But it could have been a really cute tapistry, like
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: we don't know what.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Like we don't know. Yeah, thank you for protecting art.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you for protecting the identity of that, because we
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: don't know it could be like a fierce you're right textile.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: So the people, the the woman, her and her husband
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: were you know, all the lost of prosecuted or whatever,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: and now they're in big trouble. Oh oh the painting,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: So where is the bab It's unfound. The people got
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: on house arrest and then they were like, and then
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: they try to like sell it to Yeah, they were
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: like can you sell it? And they were like no,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: you're in trouble. So now they're like going to be
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: prosecuted for like forgery, not forgery for.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: It. But let me ask you this though. So the
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: way that the painting came into their hands was that
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: it had belonged not belonged but the but the father
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: of the woman had stolen it.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Well, this head Nazi official got it from well, stole
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: it from this art dealer, correct, and then he gave
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: it or somehow his financial advisor got it right, and
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: then he died and it went to the daughter.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Right. So do we know for sure that the daughter
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: knew the origin of that painting.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: No, but she gave it over and they contacted her
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: for ten years.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha, Okay, So probably know if you had like the
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: opportunity at that point, you had.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: The chance to do the right thing, and you did it,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: and you hit it, and you hit it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: That's weird, a little sauce, yeah, but yeah, And there
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: is a law in the books in Argentina about how
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: like being in possession of stolen goods is technically a crime.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: But you know, we have two things are needed for
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: every crime, men's rea and act as raya. So you
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: need the mental state to me the crime, but also
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: a physical act too, So this would be the physical
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: act of concealment, and then the mental state would be
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the knowledge of this being stolen.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I guess I suppose if I mean, obviously she hid it,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: so she probably did sort of know. But I wonder
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: if if I go to an estate sale that's what
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I do. No no, no no, But I buy a
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: piece of art that I like, and I hang it
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: in my home and I paid five dollars for it
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: at a garage sale or something, I could very well
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: not know that it was stolen. And then if somebody
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: finds it and they say, hey, this is a stolen
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: piece of art, and I say, well, I bought it
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: in a garage.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the opportunity to remedy. So if you're given
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to make it right. There are couple of
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: different lawsuits where I think, like the first one was
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: actually a celebrity and that she had a stolen artwork
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: that was looted by the Nazis and she was sued
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: for it. But there wasn't really the legal case law precedent.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: She was kind of the first. It was like in
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: the seventies or sixties.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: You're looking at me like I was there. No, I
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: didn't know. I was just working. You gave me a
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: look like do you remember it from Go Fuck Yourself? Michael.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Anyways, thank you for joining us, Kira un This would
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: be my last recording.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Anyway. But right so, I'm just curious what would happen
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: to somebody like that she bought it, but not we're
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: assuming that she didn't know what she was.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they wouldn't just like you know, show up and
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: arrest her for possession of it, but given an opportunity
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: to sort of remedy the situation before seeking to press
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: charges or prosecuting or arresting this person. I mean, you'd
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: be given the opportunity to which is actually like kind
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: of unusual for these types of crimes, like if you
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: rob a store, Right, we have to make sure that
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: this person actually has the requisite men's raya, the mental
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: state end that they actually knew what they were doing
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: when they committed the crime or were in position of
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: the stolen goods. Right, So it sort of like invokes
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: like property law and also like criminal laws, so it's
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: kind of a cool one. But thank you for joining us, Kira,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: thank you for coming and being a part of that. Oh,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: thank you for telling us more about your work, plug
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: your socials. Where do you want everyone to follow?
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: It's called the Art Revival and you can follow on
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Instagram and TikTok and YouTube, oh and Facebook.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Give for a follow because she really does pump out
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: of all these videos. It's really incredible, especially if you're
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: like not going to art exhibitions that often, but you
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: do love art. It's a great way to sort of
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: like get to see what's happening in the art world
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: while also not leaving your home.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks so much for having me. I learned so
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: much and I feel like I'm like a lawyer now.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, but please don't practice without a license. That was
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: so great. I love talking about just sort of like
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the provenance and art getting sort of like spread around
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the world, and like the stories that now you know,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the grandchildren and the great grandchildren of sort of having
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: to repatriate art back to the original owners. It's really interesting,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: super interesting.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I loved having her on.
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