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The Week That Was – 21st July 2023 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was. I can
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Speaker 1: hear Kezia Puric yelling out already. Good morning to you,
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Speaker 1: Kezia Puric, the member for Goid Morning, Monty Caddy, morning
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Speaker 1: Bush people. We have got Brent Potter, the Member for
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Speaker 1: Fanny Bay and the Labour rep for this morning.
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Speaker 2: Good morning Brent Caty go to be back again and we've.
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Speaker 3: Got the opposition later.
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Speaker 1: Lea for not Pru in the studio this morning. Good
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Speaker 1: morning to your leave the morning.
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Speaker 4: Let us surprise visit for you.
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Speaker 1: Got your old seat back yep, and good to have
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Speaker 1: you all in the studio this morning. And I do
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Speaker 1: just want to mention, of course, a great win by
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Speaker 1: the Matilda's overnight beating Ireland one nill. I love a
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Speaker 1: good game of sport whatever it is now, come on now, yeah,
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Speaker 1: fantastic stuff.
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Speaker 3: Now I want to get straight into it.
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Speaker 1: And we know that the alcohol restrictions are being extended
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Speaker 1: of course in Alice Springs. We spoke about this yesterday
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Speaker 1: after incidents of domestic violence and assault plummeted by more
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Speaker 1: than a third. Well The Northern Territory government say that
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Speaker 1: evidence has shown that alcohol related Emergency Department presentations at
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Speaker 1: Alice Springs Hospital have reduced by a third and domestic
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Speaker 1: violence as halved since those restrictions were introduced. They say
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Speaker 1: that along with police consultation, they've also seen a decrease
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Speaker 1: in alcohol related harm and assaults, and the number of
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Speaker 1: children protective custody notifications has also decreased.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: The Mayor, Matt Patterson joined.
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Speaker 1: Us on the show yesterday, as did Daniel Rochford, the
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Speaker 1: CEO of Tourism Central Australia, and both said that more
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Speaker 1: consultation should have happened before the extensions were obviously firmed up,
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Speaker 1: but we obviously know as well or certainly the Mayor
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Speaker 1: of Alice said yesterday that we do need to look
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Speaker 1: at other things like wrap around services and also tougher
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Speaker 1: penalties for crimes committed. He had said, Katie, we've got
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Speaker 1: to remember that alcohol is not the only issue here
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Speaker 1: and I know that certainly when things had flared up
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Speaker 1: at the end of last year beginning of that is
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Speaker 1: one of the things that we're all saying.
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Speaker 3: It's not just alcohol.
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Speaker 1: There is certainly other issues as well.
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Speaker 4: Oh, without a doubt, you know, Alice Springs has been
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Speaker 4: suffering for a very long time and of course labor
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Speaker 4: for seven years have eroded consequences for people who do
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Speaker 4: the wrong thing, and as a result, territories, no matter
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Speaker 4: where they live, don't feel safe. These were meant to
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Speaker 4: be emergency, stop gap measures after one of the worst
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Speaker 4: decisions in the territories history to lift stronger futures without
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Speaker 4: a plan, and now Natasha Files is on the back foot.
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Speaker 4: She's basically admitted her failure by having to keep the
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Speaker 4: SA another year.
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Speaker 1: Your government is still not admitting that they've taken the
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Speaker 1: wrong step here, and I think that that's something that
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Speaker 1: people are finding quite frustrating. Is you know, for me,
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Speaker 1: I sort of think to myself, I don't live in
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Speaker 1: Ela Springs, so I don't know what it's like for
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Speaker 1: those alcohol extensions to be in place, but I could
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Speaker 1: see that it was a town that was screaming for help.
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Speaker 1: So I think, if this is something that is going
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Speaker 1: to reduce the rates of domestic violence, if it is
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Speaker 1: going to mean less child notifications, you know, then.
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Speaker 3: Surely it's a good thing. But the fact is.
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Speaker 1: You know, at the beginning of the year, we did
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Speaker 1: have the Chief Minister saying that they were not going
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Speaker 1: to put in place these restrictions after Stronger futures legislation
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Speaker 1: ended and that it was race based politics. But here
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Speaker 1: we are in a situation now where you can't buy
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Speaker 1: takeaway alcohol two days a week.
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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear they worked. So hence while
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Speaker 2: we're extending it. I can't talk on to what decisions
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Speaker 2: were made at the time down in Alice Springs with
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Speaker 2: Albaneza wasn't there, but I think the numbers speak for itself.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's exactly right, kay, You said that Alice
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Speaker 2: Springs resident wanted something, they were screaming out for it.
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Speaker 2: If it's working, we'd be silly to stop it. I mean,
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Speaker 2: in terms of the consultation with the mayor, if he
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Speaker 2: hasn't been consulted in the way that he believes appropriate,
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Speaker 2: and say with Daniel Rochford, well then that's disappointing.
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Speaker 3: Well Daniel Rochford said he got a text message two.
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Speaker 2: Days before, Yeah, so he should he should have been
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Speaker 2: better engaged. Absolutely, And I mean these are key stakeholders
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Speaker 2: that live in that place, and I understand their point
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Speaker 2: that necessarily some things are being made, decisions are being
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Speaker 2: made in darh And and we need to get down there
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Speaker 2: and have those face to face conversations if we're going
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Speaker 2: to extend them. But I think the data there, the hospital,
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Speaker 2: the medical staff are saying it, and police support it.
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Speaker 4: So you know, Natasha Phile has made that announcement from
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Speaker 4: the comfort and safety of dah and she didn't go
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Speaker 4: down and explain it to the community. There's never been
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Speaker 4: consultation with people down there. And when you've got major
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Speaker 4: players like the tourism industry and the mayor, you know,
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Speaker 4: getting text messages a couple of days before, it just
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Speaker 4: reinforces that there is no plan by Labor for this town.
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Speaker 4: And that two hundred and fifty million dollars that Albanezi
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Speaker 4: flew in on his you know jet to come in
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Speaker 4: and save the town, not a dollar has even been spent.
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is a territory that is falling apart
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Speaker 4: and going backwards under Labor, and there seems to be
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Speaker 4: no plan from Natasha files whatsoever on how to fix it.
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Speaker 2: I think it's true about the dollars not being spent
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Speaker 2: neurin estimates as well, where so.
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Speaker 4: That's right what we were told. Nothing has been Let.
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Speaker 2: Me just talk then I'm going to have my piece
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Speaker 2: now pre budget twenty three twenty four. Correct, There was
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Speaker 2: additional money that was already in there in your budget
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Speaker 2: that has been used, none of the new two hundred
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Speaker 2: and thirty million dollars. Now we're in a new financial
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Speaker 2: and that money's moving through those organizations. To say we
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Speaker 2: don't have a plan for Alice is completely false. Just
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Speaker 2: because you don't agree with the plan that we're putting
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Speaker 2: in place doesn't mean there isn't a plan. And I
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Speaker 2: completely understand why people in Our Springs would like to
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Speaker 2: see additional measures put in place around families. And I've
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Speaker 2: said this before in the show. Ok, we need parents
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Speaker 2: to be parents, you know, that's really how we're going
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Speaker 2: to resolve most of the problems we see with the
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Speaker 2: youth in our springs.
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Speaker 1: Well, what the mayor of Alice Springs actually said on
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Speaker 1: the show yesterday as well, is there needs to be
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Speaker 1: greater wrap around services, but there also needs to be
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Speaker 1: punishment for people when they are engaged in different crimes,
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Speaker 1: whether it's alcohol related or whatever it is.
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Speaker 5: Extending the restrictions, whatever they may be, for another twelve
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Speaker 5: months or eighteen months is one thing, but the question
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Speaker 5: is it's just putting up a legious little process it's not.
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Speaker 5: I mean, yes, clearly that there has been the fact
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Speaker 5: that they can't get the supply. It means they can't
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Speaker 5: drink it. And if they can't drink it, then they
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Speaker 5: can't create harm to themselves and others. But it's not
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Speaker 5: addressing the fundamental issue, and that is the excess of
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Speaker 5: drinking levels in the town or in the territory for
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Speaker 5: that matter, by a lot of local people of Aboriginal descent.
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Speaker 5: And that's the problem. And I agree with you, Brent,
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Speaker 5: it is a family issue. But it's a really sad
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Speaker 5: indictment on our society that we have to tell parents
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Speaker 5: how to be parents. I mean, they've had the bloody child,
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Speaker 5: for goodness sake. They surely don't know how it came about,
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Speaker 5: and so we're having to teach them how to be
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Speaker 5: parents to their children. And the other thing too, is
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Speaker 5: we're in the middle of winter down there, absolutely freezing weather,
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Speaker 5: and crime does drop in winter. We know that everyone
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Speaker 5: knows that town, So what's going to happen when they
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Speaker 5: start to flaw out and we get into the warm word.
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Speaker 2: I think this is why we get the provisions, because
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Speaker 2: we know that some is bad, right, We know some
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Speaker 2: bad yeah, very bad. And I think when we talk
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Speaker 2: around parents being parents, I think we look at these alcoholications.
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Speaker 2: We need to create environment where we can have the
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Speaker 2: discussion with a person that is that is an alcoholic.
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Speaker 2: If we need to create the environment where we can
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Speaker 2: have those discussions to talk to those people when there's
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Speaker 2: less supply, we know that there's less drinking and caring.
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Speaker 2: But I absolutely agree with your point that we do
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Speaker 2: in it and the Mayor's point we need to put
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Speaker 2: more wrap around services with family. I mean, we did
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Speaker 2: implement family responsibility agreements in the last set of reforms.
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Speaker 2: We did, and I think when we.
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Speaker 3: Do we not.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'd definitely be interested in finding
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Speaker 2: it and I'll come back to you on a Katie.
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Speaker 2: Because if they are being put on family responsibilit agreements
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Speaker 2: and they're failing to meet that were then the judges
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Speaker 2: and the courts need to be accountable and hold them
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Speaker 2: accountable for that. That was the whole reason we implement it,
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Speaker 2: to bring the families, make them accountable for their kids.
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Speaker 4: You know who needs to be accountable, It's the Natasha
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Speaker 4: Files labor government. Because you people blame everyone and anyone
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Speaker 4: else for your own failures. You could have tougher laws
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Speaker 4: that deal with problem drunks, that deal with offending, that
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Speaker 4: deal with youth crime, and that put the rights of
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Speaker 4: people to be safe above the rights of criminals. You
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Speaker 4: could do that tomorrow. You could also quarantine and have
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Speaker 4: income management for people who are in the child protection system.
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Speaker 4: That is a law that currently exists today, and yet
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Speaker 4: no one has been referred to that program.
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Speaker 1: Something quite a little while back that Marrian scrim daw
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Speaker 1: it actually exactly as potentially being a good thing. I
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Speaker 1: know that just Enterprise and flagged it as well, or
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Speaker 1: certainly is spoken about at different times.
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Speaker 2: Look, I don't the ability to do that, though, Katie.
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Speaker 4: Can we the territory government. The territory government has the laws.
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Speaker 1: Do you think it would be a good idea because
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Speaker 1: the fact is the Northern Territory government actually would need
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Speaker 1: to lobby the federal government to do it, because they're
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Speaker 1: not going to do it off their own volition unless
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Speaker 1: they're pushed to do so.
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Speaker 2: I'm absolutely we don't have a look at it. I
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Speaker 2: don't personally know what Lee is talking about there, and
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Speaker 2: I'll go and have a look at it now that
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Speaker 2: I've heard about it. But in terms of what you're
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Speaker 2: saying about forcing and you call them drunks layer on
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Speaker 2: the programs, Well, the reality is everyone of from a
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Speaker 2: pond through to all of your substance abuse organization in
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Speaker 2: the territory said what you proposed will not work. Now,
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Speaker 2: I absolutely agree we need to do more in the space,
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Speaker 2: but what you're proposing, making making them criminals again what
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Speaker 2: will do.
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Speaker 4: What you're doing is definitely not working. So I don't
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Speaker 4: think you should shoot down a new option for people.
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Speaker 4: You've been a government for seven years, you're tired and
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Speaker 4: out of ideas and just not listening to the.
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Speaker 5: Can Clearly it's not working, not working. So if people
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Speaker 5: won't help them and they'll be I hear what Li
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Speaker 5: is saying, and I haven't excused about it in regards
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Speaker 5: to mandated treatment, but if they are not helping themselves,
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Speaker 5: then perhaps they have to be pushed into helping themselves.
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Speaker 6: That's right.
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Speaker 1: But we've also like I've actually had somebody contact me
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Speaker 1: here at the station and speak to us on air
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Speaker 1: who who this was a few weeks back, who actually
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Speaker 1: said to me, Katie, if you're somebody who wants to
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Speaker 1: seek treatment yourself and is trying to go through that
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Speaker 1: process yourself, that it is incredibly hard to get a place.
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Speaker 1: It's incredibly hard to actually go and try to help
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Speaker 1: yourself to go through that process. So if it's hard
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Speaker 1: to do that yourself when there's actually the will there
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Speaker 1: and the want there, how difficult is it if it's
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Speaker 1: optional when you do the wrong thing that's right, and
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Speaker 1: it's taking up inordinate amounts of police time. I mean
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Speaker 1: this is a police resourcing issue as well. You know,
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Speaker 1: by shutting the bottle shops earlier and having different days
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Speaker 1: means it takes some pressure off police. But that's because
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Speaker 1: our police are overworked and under resource. We have to
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Speaker 1: properly fund and resource our police.
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Speaker 4: I've gone blue in the face calling for a review
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Speaker 4: into our police force to make sure Parliament then, I mean,
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Speaker 4: if you hold the end of this government, you run.
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Speaker 2: You've got to be very clear, and you've got to
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Speaker 2: be really clear. You get every one of the Seal
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Speaker 2: pre members get on here and they say this, they
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Speaker 2: want a parliamentary review where parliamentarians sit down who are
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Speaker 2: not experts, And I.
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Speaker 6: Don't think we should the experts on.
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Speaker 2: I don't think we would have enough time to give
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Speaker 2: it the time it deserves. Let's get the independent people
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Speaker 2: to do a proper review, which we've committed to.
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Speaker 1: As parliamentary reviews happen into state and in other locations,
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Speaker 1: don't they good for it here?
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Speaker 5: And then.
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Speaker 1: Good to this point where you know whether like the
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Speaker 1: party like you guys, sometimes you expect us to take
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Speaker 1: these pills and swallow them. But it's like hang on
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Speaker 1: a sick If it's good enough to happen in other locations,
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Speaker 1: why is it not good enough to happen here in
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Speaker 1: the territory with parliamentary it's on the police or whether
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Speaker 1: it's on something else, Like why can't we actually do
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Speaker 1: these things? I think that's slowly and slowly the Labor
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Speaker 1: Party in the last six years or seven years, you've
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Speaker 1: slowly sort of eroded that confidence and eroded that transparency
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Speaker 1: to the point where you're making it you know, you're
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Speaker 1: trying to make it seem like it's something normal that
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Speaker 1: happens everywhere it's actually not.
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Speaker 2: I'm offering to you a review that doesn't have any
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Speaker 2: politicians in it.
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Speaker 7: This can put you, which is great, But you guys
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Speaker 7: have been dragged there keeping kicking this review for the
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Speaker 7: last well since about to begin with, it was it's
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Speaker 7: not going to happen.
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Speaker 4: Worse, we were told by Labor that they could not
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Speaker 4: do a review until they had six months data on
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Speaker 4: a brand new electronic rostering system. I mean, what a joke.
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Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, after estimates, magically new
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Speaker 4: advice appeared and they don't have to wait for the
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Speaker 4: rostering review.
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Speaker 5: I mean.
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Speaker 1: It's something else I do actually want to talk about
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Speaker 1: is potential changes to the BDR. Now, this had been
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Speaker 1: flagged by the Acting Police Commissioner Michael Murphy throughout the
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Speaker 1: week and I.
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Speaker 3: Just want you to take a listen.
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Speaker 8: Here we go, and there's a lot of work kind
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Speaker 8: of way too with the review of the Liquor Act
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Speaker 8: about how we can do things smarter as well through
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Speaker 8: the band drinkers register, through some technology tools to help
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Speaker 8: not just the heavy lifting through police officers, but what
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Speaker 8: fundamental technology and assistance to reduce crime, especially alcohol related
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Speaker 8: crime with a territory perspective. But we've also got a
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Speaker 8: pretty keen focus on secondary supply from inter state, so
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Speaker 8: we still see some flow of supply from South Australia
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Speaker 8: and Queensland, so we work with counterparts there to try
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Speaker 8: and reduce that opportunity as well.
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Speaker 1: How do you reckon we might be able to use
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Speaker 1: the BDR a little bit differently so that you know,
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Speaker 1: so that it could be more effective. Because even you
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Speaker 1: sort of think to yourself sometimes like are there people
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Speaker 1: making a number of purchases across the day and then
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Speaker 1: going and on selling And I know that that's something
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Speaker 1: you guys be looking into, but like, give is that
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Speaker 1: something that we can do more more efficiently.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely so, if you've got a person that's going across
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Speaker 8: the Greater daal One area and to visiting ten bottle
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Speaker 8: shops and buying six bottles of wine, if somehow we
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Speaker 8: can detect that and feed into a high risk area
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Speaker 8: and we can focus our on that person because they're
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Speaker 8: obviously not consuming that much wine every day. We know
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Speaker 8: there are secondary supplies occurring across the graded Owen area
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Speaker 8: and the Northern Territory from people buying alcoholic different outlets.
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Speaker 8: It's better controlled across Tenant, Greek, Catherine and Alice because
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Speaker 8: we've got the police auxiliary liquor inspectors who can detect
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Speaker 8: similar behaviors. But in Darn it's a little bit different.
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Speaker 8: So technology footprint to identify people who are procuring alcohol
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Speaker 8: more often than not at what volume will allow us
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Speaker 8: to sharpen our focus on the harm them.
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Speaker 1: So that was the acting Police Commissioner Michael Murphy on
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Speaker 1: the show.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, have a review of the BDR, because I mean
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Speaker 5: I've I shopped at sometimes a shop at Palmerston and
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Speaker 5: go to the BWS bottle shop, and I was in
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Speaker 5: there one time and a fellow came in and he
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Speaker 5: got half a little cart and of wine and the
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Speaker 5: attendant said, oh, you can only buy one per day,
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Speaker 5: and then he off, he toddled, and.
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Speaker 6: I said to the lady, I said, are you serious.
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Speaker 6: He said, yeah, that's the rule.
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Speaker 5: I said, but I can buy a dozen bottles of
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Speaker 5: wine and she said, yes you can. So that's a nonsense,
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Speaker 5: Like you're restricted to a two liter task of wine.
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Speaker 5: And it's not just the BWS stores, it's everywhere, but
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Speaker 5: you can go in and buy six bodels of Bundy.
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Speaker 6: Like that's just stupid.
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Speaker 4: We've been calling for a review of the BDR for
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Speaker 4: four or five years, Katie, because of course its capability
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Speaker 4: could be improved. This government just continues to set and
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Speaker 4: forget about policy. They put it in and then never
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Speaker 4: go back and measure whether it's working, whether it's not,
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Speaker 4: whether it can be improved, and you never know. And
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Speaker 4: that's part of what's happened in Alice Springs. They put
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Speaker 4: in place measures, they don't actually have any KPIs or
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Speaker 4: tangible measure rules around it, and you end up in
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Speaker 4: these situations. So Michael Murphy's right. The COLP have been
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Speaker 4: calling for a BDR review for at least four or
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Speaker 4: five years, and day it's well over.
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Speaker 1: Jue, I just want to point out there is some
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Speaker 1: drilling or something going on outside. I'm not one hundred
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Speaker 1: percent sure what that sound is, but anyway, we'll keep
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Speaker 1: on track it along. I mean the Yeah, look, I
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Speaker 1: think that everybody would agree, and we've all been talking
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Speaker 1: about this for quite a long period of time. There
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Speaker 1: is no doubt that there could be some changes made
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Speaker 1: to the BDR to make it more effective.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, and I disagree there will be changes to
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Speaker 2: the BDR. There absolutely will be. The technology is there,
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Speaker 2: we can do more improvements, so I think the BDR
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Speaker 2: is one tool. Now we've made it very clear we'll
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Speaker 2: keep the BDR. That is Labour's position. We know that
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Speaker 2: the BDRs previously has been scrapped. We know there are
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Speaker 2: other members of Parliament that have said that they will
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Speaker 2: not keep the BDR and they don't believe it works well.
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Speaker 2: We can make some changes to it that'll actually see
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Speaker 2: The one thing I would like to raise for your listeners,
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Speaker 2: Katie is we do have liquor cords and in Prap
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Speaker 2: we've got a liquor call where you can't buy Alcoho
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Speaker 2: unless you live in the area and can prove we're
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Speaker 2: going to drink it now that has seen a reduction
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Speaker 2: along with private security Surement systems coorn for That's what
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Speaker 2: I'm saying. We have the processes in place now, so
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Speaker 2: we don't need to change legislation. We just need to
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Speaker 2: start using our cords better and do BDR reform and
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Speaker 2: we'll see a much better impact.
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Speaker 1: We're going to take a very short break quality sort.
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Speaker 1: Now what that drilling is you are listening to Mix
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Speaker 1: one O four point nine. It is the week that
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Speaker 1: was in the studio with us. This morning, we've got Leofanocchi,
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Speaker 1: a o Kezi Epuric and Brent Potter. Now, just some
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Speaker 1: news from overnight. Police are investigating after five cars were
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Speaker 1: stolen across Palmerston and Darwin. Overnight officers and the dog
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Speaker 1: squad works through the night, arresting four people and recovering
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Speaker 1: two vehicles. It is believed that the group were making
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Speaker 1: trouble at Mindle Beach before that crime spree, so hopefully
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Speaker 1: you know they have arrested everybody that was involved. It
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Speaker 1: is on top of, unfortunately, a terrible situation on Well.
16:17
Speaker 1: I think it was yesterday I had actually reported on
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Speaker 1: this on a crime spree through Catherine East. It had
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Speaker 1: obviously resulted in multiple crime scenes, with the Northern Territory
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Speaker 1: Police calling for witnesses after Well youths with an eaged
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Speaker 1: weapon allegedly threatened different residents while breaking into multiple homes.
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Speaker 1: So look, you know, I've reached the point where you
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Speaker 1: wish it didn't have to continue to report on this stuff.
16:41
Speaker 1: And we all understand that there's never going to be
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Speaker 1: no crime. I get that you're always going to have
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Speaker 1: bad eggs that are doing the wrong thing, but I
16:50
Speaker 1: think that it just sort of it's getting like it
16:53
Speaker 1: is getting heavy for the community to have to keep
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Speaker 1: worrying about dealing with.
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Speaker 4: And you know, criminals are running this this territory now.
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Speaker 4: Katie under labor. It's just there is so little consequence
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Speaker 4: for their behavior. I mean I got asked to attend
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Speaker 4: a street meeting in Jingly this week and there were
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Speaker 4: thirty or forty residents there fed up. I mean they
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Speaker 4: have had an absolute gutful of Jingly, an absolute gutful
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Speaker 4: of what they have to deal with on a daily basis.
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Speaker 4: I've had another street meeting in Malac the same thing.
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Speaker 4: Of course, people in Palmestan, Castro and Tenant, you name it.
17:23
Speaker 4: You can't go anywhere without people feeling so aggrieved and
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Speaker 4: angry and frustrated. Why do they have to barricade themselves
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Speaker 4: into their home, into their business. Why are the rights
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Speaker 4: of the offender being put above their rights to live free,
17:37
Speaker 4: be safe, go to work. You know, people can't put
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Speaker 4: their kids on buses, they can't go to Casuarina, they
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Speaker 4: can't go out at night and get an ice cream.
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Speaker 4: It's too much for people to bear. And there's a
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Speaker 4: very simple solution, and that is that you make laws
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Speaker 4: that protect people and put criminals in the justice system.
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Speaker 2: That sounds really good, Katie, but it's all talk. So
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Speaker 2: you've just just let for the last thirty seconds, I
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Speaker 2: absolutely understand people are frustrated, had a gut full, and
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Speaker 2: there's some people that want to take matters in their
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Speaker 2: own hands, and people should feel safe in their home.
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Speaker 2: But it's not as simple as the opposition would like
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Speaker 2: it to be. Everyone, And I've been saying it for
18:16
Speaker 2: a while, okay, And I know we don't like to
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Speaker 2: compare ourselves to other states, but we're not battling this alone. Queensland,
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Speaker 2: New South Wales, Victoria, I've all had significant knife crime
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Speaker 2: issues and deaths. Recently. We've committed to implement a bunch
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Speaker 2: of changes around the bail strategy, which you'll see.
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Speaker 1: In July definitely, you know, like hope, I'm hoping, and
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Speaker 1: the Police Commission of the acting Police Commissioner had flagged
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Speaker 1: that hopefully will have some further a.
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Speaker 2: Just recently yep, next week and I've recently I'm going
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Speaker 2: to get a brief myself before the sittings. We will
18:44
Speaker 2: see some changes around the weapons. We'll see some so
18:46
Speaker 2: we've spoken about wanding previously. I actually think more than anything,
18:50
Speaker 2: it is a resourcing issue with police as well as
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Speaker 2: an education process. I've said before, we used to do
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Speaker 2: a one punch program. I grew up in Victoria with
18:57
Speaker 2: all the one punch debths with young men and that
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Speaker 2: programs or runs, we've seen it. We've seen a decrease
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Speaker 2: in one hit punches. I think we need to be
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Speaker 2: doing stuff around knife crime with kids now so we
19:05
Speaker 2: don't have this problem in five teen years.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think it's just knife crime though, and
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Speaker 1: I know definitely that's something that we need to be
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Speaker 1: talking about. But you know, even with these vehicles being
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Speaker 1: driven absolutely, But.
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Speaker 3: In Queensland, so in Mount Eisa about a.
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Speaker 1: Week and a half ago, there was a situation where
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Speaker 1: we're a car was literally filled, you know my understanding,
19:24
Speaker 1: stolen by kids. Well a friend of mine actually my
19:27
Speaker 1: old touch football coach, and she got basically a car
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Speaker 1: got rammed by these kids. She's a counselor, but also
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Speaker 1: was then targeting kids on the oval at the school,
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Speaker 1: is my understanding.
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Speaker 3: So that's in Queensland.
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Speaker 1: But let's not pretend that that kind of thing has
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Speaker 1: not happened in the territory. We've literally had cars driven
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Speaker 1: at police vehicles.
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Speaker 4: Every state you talk about that's having serious crime issues
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Speaker 4: are all labor governments. And it is a simple solution.
19:54
Speaker 4: You fix the law at the end of the day,
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Speaker 4: the courts implement the law, the government sets the law
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Speaker 4: legal framework, and your government does not meet community expectation. Now,
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Speaker 4: if you're saying that there's going to be laws coming
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Speaker 4: into Parliament next week, we certainly haven't heard about it.
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Speaker 3: And your government are.
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Speaker 4: The ones who said, I'm sorry, but you said the
20:12
Speaker 4: Bower review would be made public. So where is the
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Speaker 4: Bower review? Where is the Knife Cime review that you
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Speaker 4: would be made?
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Speaker 2: If it will be made on everyone will see the
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Speaker 2: review in the bail and you absolutely listen to the
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Speaker 2: radio the Chief saying in July with makes.
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Speaker 1: Will those So those reforms are going to be made
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Speaker 1: obviously in July. That's next week because next week, so
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Speaker 1: that's obviously going to be happening. But wouldn't it be
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Speaker 1: the right thing to do for the opposition and the independence.
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Speaker 2: To absolutely where is that?
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Speaker 4: Where is that?
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Speaker 2: As I just said to you, I still haven't got
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Speaker 2: a briefing, and I'm internal that give mind from Parliament,
20:49
Speaker 2: you'll get yours. You'll absolutely get a brief We've always
20:51
Speaker 2: offered you briefs. You'll get one and the public will
20:54
Speaker 2: get to see the review. As the Chief community exactly
20:57
Speaker 2: we've got three. It'll get public everyone I get to
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Speaker 2: see it. I've told you.
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Speaker 4: On is meant to be a published bowl review. And
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Speaker 4: also the where is that it's nowhere? I mean, this
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Speaker 4: is all just well managing the media, not managing the territory.
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Speaker 2: Okay. I've come out very clearly on your show in
21:13
Speaker 2: the last three times and said if it's not up
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Speaker 2: to stand it, I'll be the first one to call
21:16
Speaker 2: it out and I've committed to you absolutely it'll all
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Speaker 2: be made public.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, there is no doubt that we'll be talking
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Speaker 1: about that, I'm sure next week on the show. Let's
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Speaker 1: move along though, because throughout the week we know the
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government did announce that it's growing commercial aviation
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Speaker 1: services will in an effort to well with with this
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Speaker 1: new Territory Aviation Attraction scheme. So essentially grants are going
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Speaker 1: to be available and to eligible airports for the creation
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Speaker 1: of new routes and to provide extra capacity on existing
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Speaker 1: ones to Alice Springs is Rock as well as Darwin.
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Speaker 1: As I understand it, the airports will have the opportunity
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Speaker 1: to apply for a share of ten million dollars in
21:52
Speaker 1: government funding to be matched dollar for dollar by the
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Speaker 1: applicant as co contribution.
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Speaker 3: Now we caught up.
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Speaker 1: I caught up with the CEO of of Bonza, Tim Jordan,
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Speaker 1: on the show yesterday. He's keen as to come into
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory to operate. But I said, what's going
22:09
Speaker 1: to stop you? He said, well, red tape? Basically, if
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Speaker 1: there's too much red tape?
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Speaker 2: So what is not the government red tape? Katie, let's
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Speaker 2: be very plea I think it's a bit of bus
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Speaker 2: so I reckon.
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Speaker 1: He said to me that what kind of strings are
22:22
Speaker 1: going to be attached to this money is what he's
22:24
Speaker 1: trying to get to the bottom of as well.
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Speaker 5: We would love to see there's always strings attached to.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely love to see Bonzi here. And I believe you
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Speaker 2: asked you questions in estimates and I think it's very
22:35
Speaker 2: evident that one of those people would be talking to
22:36
Speaker 2: is Bonza, and I think this announcement and he would
22:39
Speaker 2: have said it was welcome to He obviously wants to
22:40
Speaker 2: how it's going to play out, but I can tell
22:42
Speaker 2: you this money is there to get that company and
22:44
Speaker 2: other companies here.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 1: He said that he's meeting with the government and also
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Speaker 1: the airport over the next couple of days, So I'm
22:48
Speaker 1: assuming like today, maybe Monday.
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Speaker 2: It'd be good to see the airport right at the
22:52
Speaker 2: red carpet as well and meeting. But I'd love to
22:55
Speaker 2: see everyone make way. Let them in here, let's get
22:57
Speaker 2: the red carpet out, let's spend the money.
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Speaker 5: But Kate, at the end of the day, it's decision
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Speaker 5: and its commercial arrangement. So I thinkful for my limited knowledge,
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Speaker 5: Anti Airports Corporation they're a pretty tough business partner. So
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Speaker 5: if there's red tape, is the key issue that could
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Speaker 5: be red tape to do with anti government but also
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Speaker 5: with the Komorf government given its aviation.
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Speaker 4: I think the red tape is around the grant funding
23:17
Speaker 4: because there's absolutely no detail. So he made it very
23:21
Speaker 4: clear much they were there. You know, they're interested, but
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Speaker 4: what does this involve? And of course government has stuck
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Speaker 4: ten million dollars without a plan on how to implement it.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the fact that they haven't even sat down
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Speaker 4: with bonds yet and that they're going to sit down
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Speaker 4: with them shows they haven't been doing the hard work
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Speaker 4: to get airlines here in the first place.
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Speaker 5: And when this money.
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Speaker 4: Rails, well, well your Minister for Tourism couldn't articulate a
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Speaker 4: single airlines sat down with during estimates. But ultimately, when
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Speaker 4: this ten million bucks runs out, so do the cheaper flights,
23:54
Speaker 4: and the airlines will disappear and what will be left
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Speaker 4: is a government again without a plan and a territory
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Speaker 4: going backwards.
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Speaker 2: To make it sound all doom and gloom, the reality
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Speaker 2: of is we've got a great announcement. We've got money
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Speaker 2: on the table dollar for dollar match. So for example,
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Speaker 2: if it's about the cost of getting people through the game,
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Speaker 2: we need to offset, Well, there's twenty million dollars there.
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Speaker 2: If AGD come to the table, government will come to
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Speaker 2: the table and will make cost effective. Forget bondsie, I
24:15
Speaker 2: mean bonds is a great outcome if it comes here,
24:17
Speaker 2: territoins and get cheaper flights to put pressure on the
24:19
Speaker 2: domestic market. What we also need to see is an
24:22
Speaker 2: increase in the low fare international carry into Darance. We
24:25
Speaker 2: create a demand for the domestic market to fly out
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Speaker 2: of a capital of cities and come to.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, we've got to do something. My goodness at the
24:32
Speaker 1: moment is just insane.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, how hell ten million dollars long?
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Speaker 2: Every business case is going to have to count us
24:38
Speaker 2: in the weight up, but there's going to be twenty
24:39
Speaker 2: million because we're putting ten and ten, So ten from US,
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Speaker 2: ten from airport develops. It's a twenty million dollar fund
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Speaker 2: and that'll be for the airlines to figure out at.
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Speaker 1: The end of the day, Like you see that the
24:49
Speaker 1: peace and services works for is there anyway that the
24:52
Speaker 1: fees and services can be changed in some way? Like
24:55
Speaker 1: I know that we've got landing fees that are obviously
24:57
Speaker 1: based on models of I don't know exactly what they're
24:59
Speaker 1: based on, but is there any way that that can
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Speaker 1: be changed so that we are a more attractive place?
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Speaker 2: It's the interest. So every person that comes through the gate,
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Speaker 2: there is a cost associated with that individual, and that's
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Speaker 2: worked out between the airport and the airlines.
25:12
Speaker 1: And so what makes that call like why is it
25:15
Speaker 1: that we're more expensive than I guess comparatively to cares.
25:17
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm not going to share. The best person that
25:19
Speaker 2: can answer that would be AJD because I don't know
25:21
Speaker 2: the numbers behind you.
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Speaker 4: We can do Katie. It's also about people being on aeroplanes. Now,
25:26
Speaker 4: I've been traveling a lot Intra Territory lately. And I
25:29
Speaker 4: can tell you the flight to Alice Springs one day,
25:31
Speaker 4: it was likely to have twenty people on it. That
25:33
Speaker 4: plane has been half full. It's so expensive, right, But people,
25:38
Speaker 4: and we know tourism is down, and tourism is down,
25:41
Speaker 4: and people are leaving the territory and that's impacting the
25:44
Speaker 4: number of people on planes. We have to make the
25:46
Speaker 4: territory safe. We have to rebuild our reputation. People will come,
25:51
Speaker 4: carriers will fill up, prices will come down. This is
25:54
Speaker 4: a crime, is an economic issue. They are intrinsically linked.
25:57
Speaker 4: And ultimately you can have short term salute and hand
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Speaker 4: out ten million bucks here or there, it's not going
26:03
Speaker 4: to deal with the problem, which is we need tourism,
26:05
Speaker 4: tourists coming in and territory and staying and more people
26:08
Speaker 4: growing our population.
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Speaker 2: And again, just because you don't agree with the method
26:11
Speaker 2: we've taken, we've acted to get more flights into the
26:14
Speaker 2: territory and to say that tourism down, it may be
26:16
Speaker 2: down in Alice Springs, but you're about to go to
26:17
Speaker 2: Catherine and I know your own caucus team were down
26:19
Speaker 2: there and they've seen how busy it is with caravans.
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Speaker 4: Saying tourism up this year because right location fifty down brand.
26:28
Speaker 2: Individual locations, different places in down in my electric there
26:31
Speaker 2: are hotels that are absolutely bumping.
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Speaker 4: Are you saying tourism numbers are higher this year than
26:36
Speaker 4: last year's. You to be a very brave man to
26:38
Speaker 4: do that.
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Speaker 2: What I am saying is it is different in each
26:40
Speaker 2: individual location. And you're about to go to Catherine and
26:42
Speaker 2: from all accounts that I'm hearing from down there, it
26:44
Speaker 2: is bumper a bumper. Now to say we're doing nothing
26:47
Speaker 2: on the airlines is a complete fallacy. One minute you're
26:49
Speaker 2: saying we're not doing enough, the next you're saying it's
26:50
Speaker 2: a short term measure that's going to fall over. We
26:52
Speaker 2: have to continue to try and put in centicee to
26:54
Speaker 2: get the airlines.
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Speaker 5: There needs to be a very clear strategy, yes, in
26:59
Speaker 5: regards to aviation, and I don't think we have that.
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Speaker 6: Yes, there's tourism strategies.
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Speaker 5: But we talked about the fly So I mean it's
27:06
Speaker 5: six hundred bucks give or take one way to our springs,
27:09
Speaker 5: so that's twelve hundred return and for twelve hundred you
27:11
Speaker 5: can get up to Singapore and Balley for two weeks.
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Speaker 6: Type of thing.
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Speaker 5: So you know, and that's probably just interstate travel or
27:18
Speaker 5: business people or whatever. But there needs to be a
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Speaker 5: very clear strategy going forward when it comes to aviation
27:25
Speaker 5: slash tourism slash business, because.
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Speaker 6: I just think we're just going to be here.
27:31
Speaker 5: I mean, I can recall probably a silky goverment previously
27:34
Speaker 5: when money was given I think to Air North to
27:36
Speaker 5: do the milk run up and down the track, and
27:38
Speaker 5: that didn't last long because you know, it wasn't cost
27:40
Speaker 5: effective for the airline. And these these these airlines are businesses.
27:43
Speaker 5: They can't run. They've got to make a profit, otherwise
27:46
Speaker 5: they'd be a charity and they're not. But there just
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Speaker 5: doesn't seem to be a clear path forward in regards
27:51
Speaker 5: to aviation and the tourism. And I'm not one hundred
27:54
Speaker 5: percent sure that it is bumper. The tourism is boom.
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Speaker 5: It's good, probably is, but it's I mean, you can
28:02
Speaker 5: pick in it. I mean, to Catherine Show, we look
28:04
Speaker 5: for me.
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Speaker 1: I think if I'm going to if I'm going to
28:08
Speaker 1: believe that tourism is bumper a bumper at the moment,
28:11
Speaker 1: I believe it when I'm being told that by tourism
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Speaker 1: operators or by Tourism Central Australia or Tourism topic.
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Speaker 2: Telling me that, but we couldn't get in the restaurant
28:20
Speaker 2: the other night. The hotels are for what it will.
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Speaker 1: Be because it's well, because it's the middle of the
28:24
Speaker 1: dry season, and because we've got events on at the moment.
28:27
Speaker 1: But I think that to to sort of insinuate that
28:29
Speaker 1: that's across the board around the territory isn't accurate. You know,
28:33
Speaker 1: if you go into you are trying to say that
28:36
Speaker 1: it is. You know that tourism's bumped a bumper. And
28:38
Speaker 1: I think that any tourism operator out there listening right now,
28:41
Speaker 1: some of them might say, look, we are incredibly busy,
28:44
Speaker 1: but I think that there would be across the whole
28:47
Speaker 1: year you'd be struggling to sort of you know, to
28:49
Speaker 1: be making the same kind of of money as what you've.
28:52
Speaker 2: Made because the season is not finished. So you know,
28:55
Speaker 2: we had a really slow start, but from all the counts,
28:57
Speaker 2: it's now getting busier.
28:58
Speaker 1: And I mean on the fly, I know we have
29:00
Speaker 1: We've got hotel operators and others that listen to the show,
29:03
Speaker 1: So feel free to give us a call or send
29:04
Speaker 1: us a text. You are listening to mix one O,
29:06
Speaker 1: four nines.
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Speaker 3: Three to sixty. I didn't hear what you three said.
29:09
Speaker 3: Then when we're off air on.
29:10
Speaker 2: The track, I didn't get the com.
29:12
Speaker 3: But still a bit of drilling going on out there.
29:15
Speaker 3: There is some work.
29:16
Speaker 1: Going on just outside the studio and it is Yeah,
29:20
Speaker 1: it's all happening out here. But anyway, let's continue to
29:23
Speaker 1: discuss the big issues of the week, and we know
29:26
Speaker 1: that a well. The IKAK has announced that there's going
29:29
Speaker 1: to be some changes after a former COLP member was
29:32
Speaker 1: hired to work in the office of the.
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Speaker 3: Territory's corruption watchdog.
29:36
Speaker 1: That person's been reassigned to a non investigative area following
29:41
Speaker 1: some public backlash. Now, in a statement on Wednesday, the
29:45
Speaker 1: KAQ Commissioner, Michael Richards said while that person had performed
29:48
Speaker 1: exceptionally well, his hiring represented an organizational failure, and the
29:54
Speaker 1: IKAK Commissioner said, I acknowledge and accept the adverse impact
29:58
Speaker 1: this decision has had on the repute of my office.
30:01
Speaker 1: He said, as I often say myself, perception is just
30:04
Speaker 1: as important as reality, and this was an organizational failure
30:08
Speaker 1: for which I am responsible and I apologize for it. Now,
30:11
Speaker 1: notwithstanding the above, the individual involved has done nothing wrong
30:15
Speaker 1: and nothing I say should be seen as any criticism
30:18
Speaker 1: of him. Indeed, he's performed exceptionally well. Nonetheless, the IKAC
30:24
Speaker 1: Commissioner has announced a number of changes which will come
30:27
Speaker 1: into place, so, you know, so basically prior to applications
30:32
Speaker 1: being considered further, he's going to determine whether the nature
30:35
Speaker 1: and extent of any past political activity represents an unmanageable
30:39
Speaker 1: risk to his office. But I think that what it
30:42
Speaker 1: actually highlights is that here in the Northern Territory there
30:46
Speaker 1: is not six degrees of separations.
30:49
Speaker 5: We're a small community, Katie. I find it extraordinary, given
30:54
Speaker 5: the history of the past Commissioner Fleming and all the
30:58
Speaker 5: staff that he employed who were very questionable in their performance,
31:03
Speaker 5: behavior and professionalism, that one of the new things in
31:08
Speaker 5: the new with the new commissioner and a new organizations,
31:11
Speaker 5: shall we say, would be the recruitment practices.
31:15
Speaker 6: So to come out now and say that.
31:19
Speaker 5: Oh, well, it's well, if he's taking failure, fine, you know,
31:22
Speaker 5: he said, yep, yep, I'll take it on at the top, yep,
31:24
Speaker 5: apologize to people, and that's that's appropriate.
31:27
Speaker 6: But to say, now, given all the.
31:30
Speaker 5: History that's gone before this organization in regards to recruitment
31:33
Speaker 5: and outside consultants that somehow this is now a big issue.
31:36
Speaker 5: I would have thought the recruitment processes of people going
31:39
Speaker 5: into an IK would be exemplary in regards to filling
31:44
Speaker 5: in the form have you worked.
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Speaker 6: Any political affiliations? Have you got a criminal check? You know?
31:48
Speaker 5: Have you got you know, a dog that's going to
31:51
Speaker 5: get put on a band dog breeders list or something,
31:53
Speaker 5: you know.
31:53
Speaker 6: So to come out now and.
31:54
Speaker 5: Say, oh, there's a problem because this dude you know
31:56
Speaker 5: had political affiliations, I just think, what are the practices
31:59
Speaker 5: were in that organization and not exemporary as they should be.
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Speaker 6: I just find it extraordinary. And the fact that this
32:05
Speaker 6: story has gone on all week.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, public relations wise has been a disaster for the organization.
32:10
Speaker 1: Look, I guess you know, he's he's obviously done the
32:13
Speaker 1: right thing in terms of once he's realized what's you know,
32:15
Speaker 1: what's going on?
32:16
Speaker 2: But well, sorry, Katie and everyone in this room got
32:20
Speaker 2: the same letter I did. So the story gets broken.
32:23
Speaker 2: Earlier in the week Sunday, we get a letter that
32:25
Speaker 2: he cesed us onto the sense of the Chief that
32:28
Speaker 2: basically semi acknowledges the fault. You know, he needs to
32:32
Speaker 2: be absolutely above reproach, like this doesn't at all meet
32:35
Speaker 2: any pub test. You talk to anyone in the street
32:37
Speaker 2: and they go, how could you get this so wrong?
32:39
Speaker 2: And I don't begrudge the individual that's been high. I
32:41
Speaker 2: think everyone he needs employment. He's done nothing wrong and
32:44
Speaker 2: putting all politics aside, that individual has done nothing wrong right,
32:47
Speaker 2: But he sends a letter on Sunday that says he
32:50
Speaker 2: wants changes to the Act. You don't need changes in
32:52
Speaker 2: the Act to look at it, practice to look at
32:54
Speaker 2: it and go, you were the campaign manager on the
32:56
Speaker 2: Fanny Bay by election for the CLP, or you had
32:58
Speaker 2: some involvement on the campaign with him the last year,
33:00
Speaker 2: and we're going to hire you as an investigator. And
33:02
Speaker 2: to say the sixty something percent of his investigations that
33:05
Speaker 2: they do is political. Everything the akak does is political,
33:08
Speaker 2: whether it's the Liberal Party, of the Labor Party, the Greens,
33:10
Speaker 2: the Independence, everything is that is political. He has to
33:14
Speaker 2: be above reproach. And he's demonstrated that his judgment in
33:17
Speaker 2: this instance wasn't there. Now he's going to have to
33:19
Speaker 2: work that back at a time and I saw Matt
33:21
Speaker 2: Cunningham's article in newspaper the other day at a time
33:23
Speaker 2: when we've had calamity after calamity in that organization, they
33:26
Speaker 2: really need to start demonstrating people that you can be
33:29
Speaker 2: confident going to them. They'll treat it seriously and they'll
33:32
Speaker 2: act when they need to.
33:33
Speaker 1: Do you think that we're better off having ICAC investigations
33:37
Speaker 1: go through a national body.
33:38
Speaker 2: Well, at the time that we implemented the IKAK, and
33:40
Speaker 2: it was a commitment that we made and we delivered
33:42
Speaker 2: on it, but at the time there wasn't a national one.
33:43
Speaker 2: I mean, these are discussions that I'm sure the chief
33:45
Speaker 2: will be having and she'll be considering, and it's in.
33:47
Speaker 1: That but I just can't understand that why that funding
33:49
Speaker 1: is sort of being reduced.
33:50
Speaker 2: Well, we actually clarified in estimates that I said to him,
33:53
Speaker 2: how many of your referrals have already been investigating referred
33:56
Speaker 2: by another department and he says about a third. So
33:59
Speaker 2: if you removed a third of those re look at cases,
34:02
Speaker 2: he has enough resources then to investigate new cases. So
34:04
Speaker 2: I don't think it's an issue in funding. And we
34:06
Speaker 2: clarifyed in estimates that the money was a one off
34:08
Speaker 2: and it's come back down to his normal line funding.
34:10
Speaker 2: But I do think that if it would be a
34:12
Speaker 2: different discussion if there was already a national body in
34:14
Speaker 2: place when we made the KAC, there.
34:16
Speaker 1: Wasn't I think he could bring There's going to be
34:19
Speaker 1: people listening though, that are thinking to themselves, well, here
34:22
Speaker 1: we go. Labor is trying to have these scrutiny for themselves.
34:26
Speaker 2: I'm not saying change, I'm just saying, at the.
34:28
Speaker 4: Time, I.
34:30
Speaker 5: Don't think that's the case. Let's be very clear about this.
34:33
Speaker 5: Our territory IK looks at territory departments. It doesn't look
34:36
Speaker 5: at commonwealth departments. The federal ICAC will look at Commonwealth agencies, departments,
34:40
Speaker 5: commonwealth contracts, whatever to do with the KOMO. So, I,
34:44
Speaker 5: for one, would not support our northern territory IK using
34:48
Speaker 5: or picking backing onto a national for goodness sake, we're territory.
34:51
Speaker 5: We're trying to someday in the future before I die,
34:53
Speaker 5: I hope to see us as a state. This is
34:55
Speaker 5: a step back. If someone is saying, oh, let's just
34:58
Speaker 5: get the national ICAIC to come out, Let's be very clear.
35:00
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that at the time when we set
35:02
Speaker 2: it up wasn't. He needs to figure out how he's
35:05
Speaker 2: going to get people's trust back, and personally as a
35:07
Speaker 2: new person into politics. You know, I'm looking at and going, well,
35:11
Speaker 2: how do I know that you're going to be completely
35:12
Speaker 2: impartial when you look in the youths.
35:15
Speaker 1: I suppose a little bit differently, and I go, Okay, yes,
35:18
Speaker 1: you know a mistake has been made here, but he's
35:22
Speaker 1: you know, like he has actually like he's acted on it,
35:24
Speaker 1: you know, has acted on it.
35:26
Speaker 2: He's acted on after pressure that we're four days in,
35:28
Speaker 2: Like he sent the email on Sunday the latter, he
35:31
Speaker 2: then made a statement on Monday, and now we're reading
35:33
Speaker 2: that he's moved the person and again this individual.
35:35
Speaker 4: Does your government actually ever said you'd made a mistake
35:38
Speaker 4: and acted within four days? I think or mistakes industry
35:46
Speaker 4: with pom poms, and there'd be fireworks. Honestly, this is
35:50
Speaker 4: I mean, the hypocrisy coming from you, Brent.
35:52
Speaker 2: Is we established the.
35:55
Speaker 4: Literally trying to undermine and e road confidence in every
35:58
Speaker 4: breath you took then, And let's not forget this is
36:01
Speaker 4: the government, your government, the one that you were an
36:04
Speaker 4: advisor for badly advising a bad government around having a
36:09
Speaker 4: secret behind closed door review into the IKAK Act. So
36:12
Speaker 4: your government has been we're still waiting. Your government has
36:16
Speaker 4: been busy making sure that it controls the powers, the
36:19
Speaker 4: funding and the operation of the IKAK. You've never made
36:22
Speaker 4: that public. We still haven't seen the details. You've got
36:26
Speaker 4: an eye CAAC commissioner saying he's been reduced budgets over
36:30
Speaker 4: two years now, in significant amounts of funding, you know,
36:34
Speaker 4: over to you know, around two million dollars I believe
36:36
Speaker 4: it is.
36:37
Speaker 3: And now you're.
36:38
Speaker 4: Sitting here saying, oh, you didn't say sorry quick enough.
36:41
Speaker 4: I mean, what an absolute You are all about secrets,
36:49
Speaker 4: you are all about control, you are all about a
36:52
Speaker 4: lack of scrutiny and transparency, and this just plays perfectly
36:56
Speaker 4: into your hand.
36:57
Speaker 2: Very interesting because you clearly don't listen to me when
36:59
Speaker 2: I'm on this show. Every mistake that brand.
37:02
Speaker 3: I don't listen to you a little bit about doubt.
37:09
Speaker 2: The estimates community made it very clear, and you go
37:11
Speaker 2: out to look at it all your lists, all the
37:12
Speaker 2: listeners can go and listen and have a look. We
37:15
Speaker 2: didn't reduce it by two million dollars. And it's very
37:17
Speaker 2: clear that if some of the investigations they do in
37:21
Speaker 2: some instance the third time on that same individual case,
37:23
Speaker 2: which is a waste of resources. And even he said
37:26
Speaker 2: on record embarrassing.
37:32
Speaker 5: Let him finish, because just to follow on with what
37:34
Speaker 5: you're saying, when people talk about resources and the land
37:37
Speaker 5: councils often do this, oh, we need more resources.
37:40
Speaker 6: No, you don't need more resources.
37:42
Speaker 5: You just need to allocate the resources you get more
37:45
Speaker 5: effectively and efficiently. And that may be the case with
37:48
Speaker 5: the yes if there's been a budget drop, there's been
37:50
Speaker 5: a budget drop, but how all departments across the Northern
37:53
Speaker 5: Territory have had to revise their budgets. So sometimes it's
37:56
Speaker 5: the resources, it's how you allocate them.
37:58
Speaker 2: We should be doing third time investigations.
38:01
Speaker 6: I'm kind of looking at.
38:01
Speaker 1: Those and we go, are you surprised that we're doing
38:04
Speaker 1: third time investigations after what had happened.
38:06
Speaker 3: Under the previous ICA.
38:07
Speaker 1: Look, I sort of go, I can understand why there's
38:10
Speaker 1: things being just done again. It you know, even for me,
38:13
Speaker 1: like I was named in an ICIC report without anybody
38:16
Speaker 1: asking me anything about it, without anybody you know, talking
38:20
Speaker 1: to me about anything, for me to have any kind
38:22
Speaker 1: of opportunity to say, well, that was not correct, that
38:25
Speaker 1: is not what happened, So I should be somebody who's
38:28
Speaker 1: out there going, well, hang on, it needs to be disbanded.
38:30
Speaker 1: But I think you do need trans like you do
38:33
Speaker 1: need things to be investigated. We do need to make
38:36
Speaker 1: sure that there's not corrupt behavior in the Northern Territory.
38:38
Speaker 1: But we have to make sure that the k Commission
38:40
Speaker 1: is able to do that, you know, with the with
38:43
Speaker 1: the correct resourcing required.
38:45
Speaker 2: But it also comes.
38:45
Speaker 6: Back to the departments.
38:47
Speaker 5: If we're talking government departments to the Northern Territory. Government
38:50
Speaker 5: departments should be rigorous in their own internal processes and
38:54
Speaker 5: procedures such that things don't fall through the cracks and
38:58
Speaker 5: ultimately ends up with someone making a complain mismatage.
39:00
Speaker 2: And that's a good point.
39:01
Speaker 5: Come back to the anti government agencies and the direction
39:03
Speaker 5: from the government and ministries.
39:05
Speaker 2: A lot of these have gone through the agency review.
39:07
Speaker 2: They then in somethings go to the Omberdsman, then the ombdsman,
39:10
Speaker 2: then to the IKAK, and then that IKAK is upholding
39:14
Speaker 2: as he said on the record, you know the determination
39:16
Speaker 2: that was found earlier. Now, as I said, absolutely agree
39:19
Speaker 2: with in Nikak brought. My concern is that it's taken
39:22
Speaker 2: this long to acknowledge that just shouldn't have happened. And
39:24
Speaker 2: you know, we got to a point where sorry, you
39:25
Speaker 2: don't need to say sorry, just need to acknowledge it was.
39:27
Speaker 2: It was a stuff up. You don't need legislation change
39:29
Speaker 2: to fiction. It obviously you want it and you can
39:31
Speaker 2: see it.
39:32
Speaker 6: Change matter.
39:32
Speaker 2: It should have just been identified.
39:34
Speaker 5: And look, we're going to take a bit of a break.
39:37
Speaker 1: Gee, there's been a lot to discuss this morning, and
39:39
Speaker 1: so much happened throughout the week. Look, I could talk
39:43
Speaker 1: about the Commonwealth Games, the issues out at Howard Springs,
39:46
Speaker 1: the you know, the games.
39:52
Speaker 5: The government did away with the cool Games.
39:56
Speaker 2: I'm not agreen that he canceled it, but do you
39:58
Speaker 2: just jump on a second. Games said it was going
40:01
Speaker 2: to cost too much. Who's been fiscally responsible? And you're saying.
40:07
Speaker 1: By running it out in the regions, trying to win
40:11
Speaker 1: within the regions, and you go, you've got all this
40:13
Speaker 1: infrastructure in Melbourne where you could have actually run the
40:16
Speaker 1: games well, and you know what, you can cancel a lot,
40:21
Speaker 1: but when you cancel sport, in my eyes my.
40:31
Speaker 3: Revolting. But looks something I do want to talk.
40:34
Speaker 1: About very briefly is vaping because it is something that
40:39
Speaker 1: if you if you've got kids, whether you're you know
40:42
Speaker 1: or a grandparent or a cara or an aunt or
40:44
Speaker 1: an uncle, you'll understand that this is a really serious
40:47
Speaker 1: issue in fact amongst our youngsters in the Northern Territory.
40:51
Speaker 1: Right now, we know that the Northern Territory government have
40:54
Speaker 1: announced this educative campaign to try to really get kids
40:57
Speaker 1: away from the vapes. President to in t corg Soo
41:01
Speaker 1: Tabby Fudge, she joined me on the show yesterday. I
41:04
Speaker 1: tell you what some of what she had to say
41:05
Speaker 1: was absolutely shocking in the sense that she'd said she
41:09
Speaker 1: knows of kidd in.
41:11
Speaker 3: Grade three that have been vaping at a school.
41:14
Speaker 1: She knows that in some school she's had principles say
41:17
Speaker 1: to her that they've literally had boxes of I don't
41:20
Speaker 1: even know what you call.
41:21
Speaker 2: Them, partridges or whatever.
41:22
Speaker 3: The product of vapes being taken out like it is shocking.
41:28
Speaker 1: But there's also the shocking part is how some kids
41:32
Speaker 1: are getting their hands on vapes.
41:34
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, Brent Shirley, you can enlighten us, because
41:37
Speaker 4: let's not forget the first day of parliament after Declan
41:41
Speaker 4: Lavity lost his lives at the hands of a criminal.
41:45
Speaker 4: The first thing the government did was bring in a
41:48
Speaker 4: parliamentary inquiry into vaping rather than dealing with crime fine
41:52
Speaker 4: and so a committee was established. You were the chair
41:55
Speaker 4: of that committee, Brandt. What did that committee do and
41:57
Speaker 4: how long did it last? Because my understanding is it's
41:59
Speaker 4: been disbanded.
42:01
Speaker 2: You absolutely know. You know it's been dispanding because the report.
42:04
Speaker 2: Everyone knows that.
42:04
Speaker 4: Now, why committee a couple of weeks labor.
42:10
Speaker 2: Question, I'll answer it. The Commonwealth government brought it. They
42:13
Speaker 2: brought in a bunch of reforms, and the reality of
42:14
Speaker 2: it is tobacco legislation and the control and importation and
42:17
Speaker 2: sale of that sits with the federal government. And this
42:19
Speaker 2: is a tobacco product, make no bones about it. Every
42:22
Speaker 2: one of the vaporizers that you find, or majority of
42:25
Speaker 2: them that you find, has some form of nicotine in it,
42:28
Speaker 2: and also the byproducts like acetain and the like that
42:30
Speaker 2: they don't advertise it. And I think what the federal
42:32
Speaker 2: government did absolutely needed to occur. And to be honest,
42:35
Speaker 2: the data and the responses that we'd already seen the
42:39
Speaker 2: on the Standing Committee, I was already leaning down that
42:41
Speaker 2: path and saying we're going to need to treat this
42:43
Speaker 2: exactly like cigarettes. It's great out coming out. Sure would
42:46
Speaker 2: I have loved to have known day one of the
42:48
Speaker 2: committee what the Feds were planning to do. Absolutely, but
42:51
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, they acted fast, and
42:52
Speaker 2: we've acted in line with them and this going forward exactly.
42:57
Speaker 2: And again it's a waste of taxpayers money having a.
42:59
Speaker 4: Committee just try to create in a committee that's tobacco
43:03
Speaker 4: was a federal issue.
43:05
Speaker 2: You clearly didn't just listen. I said, well, the forms
43:07
Speaker 2: they were going to make around vaporizeres.
43:08
Speaker 1: That's exactly the thing that I was interested in though
43:11
Speaker 1: through the week as well is that we had the
43:14
Speaker 1: principle of Duha Middle School on the show. He said
43:16
Speaker 1: that they've got the detectives in some of those.
43:19
Speaker 2: About a couple under grands, but they work really well.
43:21
Speaker 1: So we've had other parents get in contact with us,
43:23
Speaker 1: and basically, so you know, Katie, it's an issue at
43:25
Speaker 1: my children's school as well. Kids don't feel safe going
43:29
Speaker 1: into the toilets.
43:29
Speaker 3: At lunch time.
43:30
Speaker 2: So they funded that out of their own budget, their
43:34
Speaker 2: their global budget for their R and M, and they've
43:36
Speaker 2: put that in place. I know Darwin High School has
43:38
Speaker 2: looked at that as well, and Eva has come out
43:41
Speaker 2: and said very clearly that you'll work with schools on
43:44
Speaker 2: how we can implement those if they see them fit
43:45
Speaker 2: and listen. In darw and High as Doha Middle they
43:47
Speaker 2: absolutely were needed and they work really well and they're
43:50
Speaker 2: a low tech solution to a certain very simple problem.
43:53
Speaker 2: It's like smoking, vaporizing smoking. It's the same thing. We're
43:56
Speaker 2: treating it exactly the same. I know your listeners like
43:58
Speaker 2: to hear around how we're funding programs. So we're seeing
44:01
Speaker 2: a two third one third from Anty Cancer Council in
44:04
Speaker 2: relation to the education program we're going to do. And
44:06
Speaker 2: it doesn't just end with the flyers and education we're
44:09
Speaker 2: doing that we're doing in the schools. The reality of
44:12
Speaker 2: it is now that we're going to have that packaging
44:14
Speaker 2: is going to change. You'll only be able to get
44:16
Speaker 2: a vaporizer from from a GP that's pharmacy grade.
44:19
Speaker 5: We're going to be implementing changes to our tobacco legislation
44:22
Speaker 5: up here.
44:22
Speaker 2: Well, it's national now, so if we need to we
44:25
Speaker 2: will still. If we need to make those changes, we
44:27
Speaker 2: will and that'll come out with the Health Department. But
44:29
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, the importation and the
44:32
Speaker 2: sales already been double.
44:33
Speaker 5: But in the territory, if we're going to implement the
44:36
Speaker 5: bit I've read about what Mark Butler, the federal minister, see, yes,
44:40
Speaker 5: we will need that plane packages and put them behind
44:43
Speaker 5: the counter like cigarettes, so that will stop a big
44:47
Speaker 5: chunk of children getting access to It's like, I don't
44:49
Speaker 5: know whether.
44:50
Speaker 3: I'll tell you I've been that requests change.
44:53
Speaker 1: I've been told of kids basically, you know, being on
44:56
Speaker 1: on places like Snapchat, being able to contact strangers, meet
45:01
Speaker 1: those strangers in public places.
45:03
Speaker 3: To be able to get vapes.
45:05
Speaker 1: So this is actually it's not just a health issue,
45:08
Speaker 1: it's actually a safety issue in my opinion as well.
45:10
Speaker 2: It's the same by the police anyway, so they target
45:12
Speaker 2: a legal sale of tobacco and saying with border force
45:15
Speaker 2: when they do importation. And one of the issues that
45:17
Speaker 2: we found even in the very short period of time
45:19
Speaker 2: for the Select Committee was the way that you can
45:21
Speaker 2: buy it on eBay and you can send it, you
45:23
Speaker 2: can import them through the customs model and listen, border Force,
45:26
Speaker 2: it's an ongoing issue for them around all types of drugs.
45:29
Speaker 2: And you're right, the kids would use Snapchat and they're
45:31
Speaker 2: also doing it to get other illicit substances, and police
45:33
Speaker 2: are aware of that. But I think the very first
45:36
Speaker 2: steps is just making it really hard to get off
45:38
Speaker 2: the shelf. You know, you're never one hundred percent, as
45:41
Speaker 2: we know with alcohol, with all other drugs, you're never
45:43
Speaker 2: going one hundred percent remove it, but you don't stop trying.
45:45
Speaker 5: To regulate it more such young people in particular can't
45:48
Speaker 5: get excess.
45:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a good outcome. Like I mean, every
45:51
Speaker 2: parent is worried they want the kids to start smoking, Well,
45:53
Speaker 2: you don't want them to start vapor and unfortunately we
45:55
Speaker 2: don't know the long term side effects for people that
45:57
Speaker 2: are long term vapors, they die.
46:00
Speaker 4: Very important that we're supporting families. I mean this comes
46:02
Speaker 4: back to you know, safety while you're online, a whole
46:06
Speaker 4: range of other things and ensuring you know, it even
46:08
Speaker 4: comes back to school based constables Keisier, which I know
46:11
Speaker 4: is something you're very passionate about as am I. You know,
46:14
Speaker 4: having the right support in our schools and with families.
46:17
Speaker 4: Education for parents, I mean, you know, I'm a parent,
46:20
Speaker 4: We're you know, it's it's you don't even know sometimes
46:23
Speaker 4: what the things are that are out there and so
46:25
Speaker 4: making sure that families can be in those those positions
46:29
Speaker 4: to be able to look after their children is just
46:31
Speaker 4: as important as making sure there's education within schools.
46:34
Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to wrap up. It's
46:36
Speaker 1: just a moment away from ten o'clock. Opposition leader Leafanoki,
46:39
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time this morning.
46:41
Speaker 4: Thank you. I'm off to Catherine Show now. It'll be great,
46:43
Speaker 4: but thank you for saving me.
46:45
Speaker 1: Kezy Puric, thank you. Brunes Potter, the labor member for
46:50
Speaker 1: Fanny Bay, thank you.
46:51
Speaker 2: Thanks Katie.
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