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  Track us the Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trek podcast. Okay, the Dog,
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  the Teddy Bear, and the foot long Sandwich. That's right. Okay,
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  so it's either been a long time because my memory sucks or I missed it.
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  Can we can? Can you explain? Can we explain that they?
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  Yes, the foot long sandwich was for Chad. Okay, the dog was
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  for Dan, and then the teddy Bear was for me because of my love
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  Paddington. Oh look who arrived? I gotcha? Oh hey, sorry you
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  it doesn't have to be a supplemental now, yeah, that's no. You
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  know what, my the security settings on my iPad every ninety days or whatever,
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  you have to change the the passcode right right, and I won't and
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  it won't let you do anything until you change the passcode. So I went
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  to log in and it's like, nope, no Apple product. You have
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  to do this mundane thing before you can do anything else. So yeah,
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  yeah, sorry, someone's dog alert went off. That's it. There's a
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  big there's a big d up in the sky, Commissioner Gorgas looking for me.
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  And yes, that's always on the bottom. Yeah, yeah, you
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  know, and you're a bottom. That's just apparently apparently that kind of morning.
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  Uh apparently I thought I was a bear, but I've been told are
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  all right? Now? Now I have to Now I have to write down
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  my my pass code before I forget it. Do that? Well? Welcome
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  to Trek Cast everyone, the Galaxy Books, Unpredictable, Star Trek. That's
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  right, Star Trek Podcast. That's right. My name is Scott, this
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  is that's Dan, and that's Daniel. Welcome everybody. What up? What's
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  going on? So many people get so excited. We talked about the D
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  Absolutely absolutely, all these dudes on the internet gets so well, I gotta
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  be careful. I've got a big D behind me. That's true. You
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  do? You do? You got you got two big two big d's right
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  above you that, Yes, that's right, I do have you could you
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  could just reach up and grab both of them. There's there's one D and
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  there's there's the other thick D. I for those of you are staring intently
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  into your uh, into your radios, this is awesomely video podcast which you
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  can see the three of us, so check us out on YouTube. Oh
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  absolutely, and you can see the visual fun that we're having. Everyone.
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  Yes, since you're talking about the d I have to bring this up.
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  Okay, guys don't know about it. It's out here in Spokane. It's
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  called Dick's Burgers. Yeah, and get a bag of dicks, right.
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  Yeah. I would love to go out to uh, you say, Spokane
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  and and and try to dig out of Spokane. Yeah. What's even crazier
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  is there's a there's a rooster. There's another word for roosters too, yes,
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  And why is that on a cock? Is a legitimate word for a
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  rooster? That's you know, like or female dog. That these are all
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  perfectly legal, okay words to use. Does the pandem need to have his
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  tongue out while looking at the cock? Well, he's expressing his desires.
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  And you all know hunger is one of the biggest desires a man can get.
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  So how about that Star Trek? You're right, how about that Star
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  Trek? How about that Star Trek? You know, Going on the same
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  theme, I had asked the Facebook group if you know, they'd want to
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  do a show and tell sometime about some of the Star Trek toys that they
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  have and things like that. You know, we all have that and and
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  and so Mike Medina asked me to define toys very specifically, and so I
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  went on to defind toys. So I don't know if it's appropriate to give
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  that definition on the air, but if you want to go to our Facebook
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  group and and look at that particular conversation, it was. It was quite
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  humorous. Indeed, indeed, it was yes, very I figured I might
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  get kicked out of the group after that one. We talked about it with
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  the other Uh yeah, mens just thought about that great him the moderator.
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  Yeah, Oh, how's everyone doing. Oh I'm okay. That sounds not
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  okay. I had I had a birthday. Oh yeah, happy birthday.
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  Yeah, happy birthday. Yeah, I'm older, I feel older, wiser.
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  I don't know if I'm wiser, okay, bud wiser, budweiser.
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  Uh yeah, I'm a you know, I'm a forty seven. God,
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  that sounds crazy. I'm a forty I'm a forty seven year old man.
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  And sometimes I forget that. I'm thank you, thank you, Daryl.
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  Daryl said, happy birthday. Sometimes I forget I'm forty seven. So,
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  you know, yesterday went to karate and I'm breaking boards like uh, you
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  know, like I'm seventeen right. My fist is killing me. Man,
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  I don't think that youth would help you with that. I mean, honestly,
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  you know, it's not like your skin and your you know, I
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  think if you were eight, that would probably still hurt. Yeah, you
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  know, I don't know. I just realized your Daniel son in karate.
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  I listen, I've had to deal with that since nineteen eighty four. I'm
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  sure. I'm sure you've had to deal with it since nineteen eighty four.
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  Now, now take that and insert it into a karate studio, right,
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  it's just a yeah. I have resigned myself to the fact that I will
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  be Daniel's son. Yeah, for the for the rest of my life.
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  It's fine joke. You've heard a time or two. Huh yeah, yeah,
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  maybe a couple couple of times. That's great, that's great. How
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  are you, Daniel? Oh I'm goody karate story. No, not recently
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  at least, yeah. No. We uh, we're redoing my brother's room.
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  So we put in florine and you know, all that kind of stuff,
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  and that's cool. Yesterday to kind of like help move us along,
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  I made breakfast for my dad and myself and my brother in law, and
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  so I had to go over there. And everything in my brother's room is
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  just all over, like the living room and kitchen, and it's a nightmare
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  to get through any of that house. And I'm like trying to cook in
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  all bits. How is how is your brother with it? Is he out
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  of sorts? Very much? So? Yeah, my brother, you know,
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  he's got the down syndrome. We believe he is autistic, even though
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  we've never kind of diagnosis. And yeah, he does not like change.
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  So he's he's very against all events. Yeah, and he lets us know
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  all the time, this is this is wrong, this is wrong. Yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, you know, for somebody with that kind of sensory
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  thing, you know, I mean just a lot of people don't like that
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  kind of change, right, And for anybody that's you know, either on
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  the spectrum or like that, you know, because I've known people, people
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  in my family. Uh yeah, that kind of change can be it's difficult.
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  Well, the thing I tell people is like, he's a man in
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  his forties. He doesn't like change with right, how much hyper more he
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  doesn't like change? Right? Yeah, you can multiply that. Yeah,
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  Dan's given a hand waves to the people. Oh I get you know,
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  you get an Amazon delivery while you're out sitting in sitting in the car talking
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  to yourself, they kind of they kind of make eye contact with you and
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  they're like, do you want this? Or should I put on the porch?
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  Is if you're not here right right? That makes but you Scott,
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  what's going on? Well? I got a little bit of a show and
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  tell. I'm going to post this on the on the Facebook page after the
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  show. But this from May fifteen of two thousand and two. This is
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  me standing next to a klingon at Quark's Bar at the Star Trek Las Vegas
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  Experience. And yeah, so I just happened to come up my no,
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  my mom gave me this picture. She had it. She was doing some
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  cleaning and she came across it. So yeah, I thought i'd share that
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  with everybody. That's that's that's cool. A younger version of me, did
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  you eat the klingon? Is that what happened? If I might have?
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  Yeah, yeah, wow happened. That might have happened. I was going
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  to say that old jokes. Now we got fat jokes. Yeah, what
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  did I do to Dan? Why you aren't? Oh wow? Yeah,
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  no that place I am, but I you know, surgically altered to the
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  bear human. That place was great, it really was. It was the
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  only reason to go to Vegas. Yeah, I still mourn the loss of
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  that place. That place was awesome. And I've said it. I've said
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  it before. I'm gonna say it again, you know. Picard in Generations
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  he described the nexus as being inside joy or inside happiness, and Star Trek
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  the experience was like being inside Star Trek. I'm just wrapping myself inside Star
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  Trek, I know exactly. And I think about I think about, you
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  know, we had that and it's gone and it's gone. Mm hmm.
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  Yeah. See more in the loss. We more in the loss, I
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  do. The line must be drawn here. No, it's got like fat
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  jokes. The line must be driven here this fuck this fat No further,
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  this part of that's awesome. Well, should we get to the news,
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  sure, yees, Star Trek news. All right, first news story is
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  really sad. It's coming to Star Trek dot com, the official website,
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  and unfortunately Star Trek actor Kenneth Mitchell has passed away. For those of you
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  are wondering who that was, he was in Star Trek Discovery. He played
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  multiple Klingons. He was also I believe it was an engineer in the wheelchair
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  fighting als for several weeks. You're cutting out, buddy, Oh can you
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  hear me? Yeah. I don't know if it's the thing with the website
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  again, but you were cutting in and out. Yeah. Uh so,
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  So Kevin has had been fighting al us for several years. He had been
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  the engineer on Starching Discovery, one of them, the one in the wheelchair
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  that one season. Yeah. So and that's too bad. Yeah, So
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  that just was announced today. So I wanted we've talked about him on the
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  show before, or you guys are talking a lot before. Yeah, and
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  being in a wheelchair. Yeah. So with that in mind, talking about
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  Discovery, we'll move on to our next story, which comes to us from
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  geek Tyrant. And I know Dan was very excited when the alerts went out
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  that they knew Star Trek Discovery trailer came out. We got to see a
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  little bit more of what we can expect. It's going to be a ten
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  episode season. It looks like it's Star Trek Discovery National Treasure as they are
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  searching for some sort of treasure. You know, So I don't know if
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  the documents are hit. Did look Yeah, yeah, well, Higeon,
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  so it's time. Yeah, Sergery Discovery National Treasure. I can't wait,
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  Well, is Nicholas Cage in it? Because we talked about that, maybe
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  this is this his surprise appearance. They did spread, they did promise big
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  twists, so you know, yeah, yeah, if Nicholas Cage shows up,
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  you know the secret Treasure is on the back of the Federation Constitution.
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  You know what, I don't imagine you watched the trailer, Dan, I
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  did not. You didn't want to spoil yourself, right, that's a full
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  immersion experience. Here's at this at this point, here's here's what I here's
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  how I feel about Star Trek Discovery. Yes, because we haven't heard it,
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  but okay, no, go ahead, well go ahead. What are
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  your thoughts on start? Star Discovery bad? Start, Star Trek six,
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  The Undiscovered Country probably one of the best Star Trek movies out of the original
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  series. Star Trek five is probably the worst. We would not have gotten
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  Star Trek six if not for Star Trek five. So I look at Discovery
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  as the bridge between having no Star Trek on TV and some of the great
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  things that we've gotten in the last couple of years. So for that reason.
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  I respect it's its existence. I don't enjoy it though. Yeah,
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  you're right. Star Trek Discovery literally is the bridge between it's belong road and
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  the deep. That's true. So maybe Scott didn't get the memo, but
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  I do the singing. Oh pod, oh wow, right, singing wow,
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  get a little, get a little to the letter lawyer big for your
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  bridges there. Well, well, speaking of singing. Right now, the
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  Star Trek cruise is going on, but they have just announced that the thirtieth
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  Anniversary Cruise will be happening next year February twenty third through March second of twenty
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  twenty five. So we can book our tickets ahead of time and go on
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  this giant cruise and hang out with them all sorts of people. You know,
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  I've never been on a cruise. I've never particularly had a desire to
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  be on a cruise. Yeah, However, if I was going to go
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  on a cruise, probably be a start. It would probably be a Star
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  Truks cruise. Yeah, I mean, it could be fun. We're going
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  on our first cruise in June, and the reason why we haven't been on
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  a Star Trek cruise really number one, it's really expensive. But number two,
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  uh, for the last you know, my job that I've had for
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  the last twelve years, I picked my vacations at the end of the year.
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  And you can never guarantee what vacation you picked your vacations for the following
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  year at the end of the year. So I picked my vacations for twenty
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  twenty four in like December of last year. So it's it's too close to
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  like, you know, if I have to wait till December to book the
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  flights and buy the tickets for the cruise, it's sometimes it can be too
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  late. So yeah, that's why we haven't been on it. Well,
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  speaking of unions, you need to get on that. Yeah, yeah,
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  you're absolutely with the real I bet it smells awesome on that Star Trek.
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  Wow, I mean the cruise is going on right now. There are people
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  on the boat, so yeah, I mean it looks fun from the little
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  clips I've seen. But you know, so that whole Instagram versus reality.
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  And then our last news story comes to us from screen Rants. They did
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  an interview with Marina Curtis about Star Trek the Card season three, and I
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  think she gave a very honest assessment about her performance, she said that she
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  thinks it was not her best work. She admits she's like, I didn't
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  have enough screen time to really like delve into things for it to become her
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  best work. So she wasn't on the show very much, which true.
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  So that's why she feels like it wasn't her best work. Does anybody thinks
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  the best actor for the next generation? You know, I didn't want to
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  get into that part of it. She's good, She's very good. Yeah.
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  Yeah, it's again. I think it goes back to the change in
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  format between nineteen eighty seven and now. Back in the day you had you
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  had your twenty six episodes per season, and you know, you may have
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  one or two in there that are Troy episodes, and you have one or
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  two in there that are Jorty episodes, and you have eight or nine that
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  are Data episodes, and you have nine or ten that are Wharf episodes.
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  And you know, when when you have a ten episode season and it's just
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  one continuous story, you get a couple of scenes, that's it, right,
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  And I think that's what she got. She got a couple of scenes
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  and that's it. I don't think there's anything wrong with what she did.
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  There's some scenes with her and Riker and the UH when they're in jail together
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  and they're you know, sharing a few moments. Her when he calls her
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  for the NY seventh time, she's like, I should have taught you a
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  different word. Yeah, yeeah. So it's it's fine, Yeah, it's
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  you know. The other thing is because she didn't have a lot of screen
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  time when she's interviewed about this stuff, she needs something to talk about,
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  right, So what easier to say? You know, what's easier to say?
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  Then? Yeah, you know, I would have liked some more time
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  to uh to work on this, and I don't think it was my best
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  work. You know, you don't sound arrogant when you say I don't think
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  it was my best work. I wish I could have done a little bit
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  better. So right, yeah, right, Yeah, it's a pretty safe
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  thing to say. Yeah, exactly exactly. So Marina, you did fine.
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  We enjoyed it. Yeah, so you're a fine You're a fine actress,
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  despite what the guy in the bottom says. That's right, and the
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  bottom are Yeah. All right, Well that's all the news story. Should
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  we get to our main topic? Yeah, what's what's the topic? All
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  right, fun will now come out? All right? What if I said
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  no, I don't know, I don't know. No, I don't want
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  to get to the main topic. Oh no, you're all right, back
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  it up. I want to talk about what I want to talk about.
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  Well, what do you want to talk about? I want to talk about
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  the main topic. Okay, Well we're gonna talk about the main topic right
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  now. Okay, So we're gonna do another tier list. We're gonna rank
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  Scie franchises. The whole idea is to make the internet really mad at us,
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  apparently, Okay, as we'll do on here. They've got like Star
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  Trek listed like eight million times because all the different series. I just want
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  to do like per franchise, right, So just start Trek once and got
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  it? Just one one version of Star Wars just overall. And Stargate right
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  and what, well, there's a show called Stargate that's based on them.
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  It's a it's a medium of the show that's based on a slightly better movie.
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  Yeah, and I think the ground rules should be like I used to
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  talk about it. Yeah, it's not like oh I liked you know,
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  I don't know. The first season of d S nine but not the third,
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  right, So I don't know how to feel about it. But just
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  like if I put on Star Trek right now and just tell you, hey,
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  we're gonna watch Star Trek. Are you excited or are you not?
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  Where do you ring that? You know? Incompagain? Yeah, you're talking
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  about the whole fifty something years of Star Trek. Correct, correct, the
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  franchise as a whole for each one that we go over, right, all
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  right, so we're gonna watch Matrix. If I tell you we're gonna watch
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  the Matrix, are you excited or not? Okay, that's all the movies.
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  What's this podcast called treck Cast? So put star Check on the top
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  right. That's oh, come on right right right, that's our show.
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  Thank you for joining us. We'll see you next week, checks the call.
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  Let's go to the others. We've got two thousand and one of Space
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  Odyssey by Bob Yeah, so the Triple S, Tire, the S Tier.
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  I don't know who makes these ranking titles, but whatever, A B,
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  C, D, E. F. Can I can I grab a
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  franchise here? Can I see a franchise here that I think? Okay?
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  Okay, that's fair. Two thousand and one of Spaces. Never seen it
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  me either, you've never seen it. I've seen it. I'm not sure.
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  I'm not sure I get it. Okay, Wait, that's that's a
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  movie, right, Yes, is a movie. Yes, all right,
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  once you once you see it, you will you will see you will realize
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  how many other things have done homages to it. So maybe just kind of
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  like, what's that maybe see tire kind of in the middle. Sure,
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  bad, not great, just you know it's fine, okay, Alien and
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  again this is the whole franchise, the whole franchise, all the Xenomore films,
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  Okay, because for me, the the Aliens, the second one is
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  sort of lifting all the rest of them up in my heart. Right,
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  that's the thing. A lot of those movies are not that great. Yeah,
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  but see it's hard for me to rank it against something I've never seen
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  it seen before. So I also would put that right in the middle.
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  Okay, I can see that. And like before, we've done this before,
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  where we can you know, if we have to throw a majority of
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  them in the middle just because we don't know, and then we can,
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  yeah, we can move them around, move them around. And I want
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  people to know that this is the definitive list. So if you have an
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  opinion that's different, it's wrong. We're making it all correct. It is
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  Babylon five. I watched three or four episodes of it back in nineteen ninety
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  two, yeah, or whenever it came out, and yeah, that's it
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  was. It was one of these shows where it was on at the same
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  time as Deep Space nine. Yeah, and I was like, these are
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  very similar shows, but this one's Star Trek, and I like Star Trek,
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  so I'm going to watch that one. I've heard it's a good show.
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  There's a lot of people out there that really like it. It's his
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  name, j Michael Strazinski. I think it's the guy who wrote the whole
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  thing. You know, he's a good Writer's one of those things where it's
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  been on my to do list for about thirty years at this point. Maybe
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  maybe someday, I don't know, the next pandemic, I'll zip through the
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  whole thing. We go. Yeah, But I as far as if we're
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  talking about getting excited about it, I don't know. Put it at E
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  Yeah, I agree. I can't be excited about something that thirty years has
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  gone by and I never did the time to Watt you'll e as well.
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  I've seen one episode I couldn't dig it and that was it, So it
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  is okay, so oh Jesuis has given it the try, Dan, you
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  know, yeah, I probably will. It's one of those things where you
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  know, I have a list and it never quite as I crossed things off
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  the list, other things go on the list, and it just never has
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  made it to the top. So right, I get that. I don't
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  know, yeah, yeah, okay, let's see. Next one is Cowboy
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  Bebop. I don't even know what it is. Okay, I know what
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  it is. I really like it. It's it's an anime. They made
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  a live action version on Netflix a couple of years ago or a year ago
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  something like that that was not very well received. But the anime is really
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  good. I like it a lot at least, Scott are you do you
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  know Cowboy Bebop? I've heard of it, watched it. Right, It's
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  a thing that I know exists. Okay, right, see, there are
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  things on this list that I'm going to tell you I have never seen that
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  are going to be controversial, but that's fine. This is not controversial that
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  I've never seen Cowboy Bebop, I don't think. But okay, Chas Basins
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  is going to have some things to say. Well, like I told him,
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  Like I told everybody, this is the list. Sorry, yeah this
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  is it works all right, since you guys haven't seen it, but I'm
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  really gonna fight for I'm gonna say okay, okay, okay, all right,
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  yeah Blade Runner. Never saw it? Oh Man Scott says when I
• 27:10
  said Blade Runner was so oh wow, I'm writing it down on the list
• 27:17
  right now. I bought Blade Runner on DVD. I don't know when did
• 27:23
  DVD start becoming a thing the late nineties, believe Yeah, yeah, I
• 27:29
  watched it, and I think it was the director's cut. I don't I
• 27:33
  don't think I've ever seen the theatrical cut. I don't know which one is
• 27:37
  believed to be better. Again, it was one of those that I watched
• 27:42
  it and I was like, I don't know, Yeah, I don't know
• 27:45
  if I get it. Yeah. Now this is including everything from the you
• 27:52
  know, the franchise. So what about how do you guys feel about the
• 27:53
  new one that came out. I never watched that either. I saw it.
• 27:57
  I've seen them both. They're okay, there you know, you can
• 28:03
  see that it's inspired so many other things. You know, Okay, I
• 28:08
  would give it see to here, man, I can't argue with it.
• 28:12
  Yeah, okay, all right, next one, Battlestar Galactica put that right
• 28:18
  under Star Trek. Yeah, I can't disagree. I see my relationship with
• 28:27
  Battlestar Glacktic. I've never seen the original one, the new one that came
• 28:30
  out. I don't know what was going on at the time it came out,
• 28:34
  what two thousand and three issue. It ran for how many seasons,
• 28:41
  I don't know because they were weird seasons. I never saw the last season
• 28:49
  because they seemed up in a weird way. I but here's the thing.
• 28:52
  I saw the last episode, or I saw the end of the last episode,
• 28:56
  so I know how it ends. But you know, it's been so
• 29:00
  long since I've seen it. I actually want to rewatch it. Go,
• 29:03
  go do it. I did it last year. I did it last year.
• 29:08
  I enjoyed just about every minute of it. Still hold up second viewing
• 29:12
  it's it still holds up. What I what I love about it is it's
• 29:18
  and it's twenty years old at this point, but I'm watching it. It's
• 29:22
  like this is modern society. Everything is the same. The clothes they wear
• 29:29
  are the same, the things they say are the same, the weapons that
• 29:34
  they carry are the same. The only difference between modern Society and Battlestar Galacta
• 29:41
  is oh, okay, they have space travel. So dare I Yeah,
• 29:48
  you can put it? No, Nope, No, I have something else
• 29:52
  that goes there. No, Daniel was about to put it next to Star
• 29:56
  Trek in the top spot. I can't do that because I have I'm going
• 30:00
  to vote for that. I didn't do it. It's really it's it's great.
• 30:03
  It's not near perfection. I've never been able to. I tried to
• 30:10
  go back and watch the original Battlestar galact and I can only get through a
• 30:14
  couple of episodes, and and that's I couldn't. I mean, I named
• 30:18
  my dog Baltar. No, I remember, remember Doctor ber That's right,
• 30:26
  Yeah, that's right, that's right, all right. But the next one,
• 30:33
  Back to the Future. Put that yeah right below Star Trek. Yes.
• 30:37
  Back to the Future is one of my all time favorite franchises. For
• 30:42
  all of its flaws and for how old it is, I absolutely love it.
• 30:48
  We watch it usually the trilogy about once a year. It always holds
• 30:52
  up. It's always great. It's you know, for being what a very
• 30:59
  lawed story story line. It's a perfect storyline. I love everything about it,
• 31:03
  the car, the close everything. I love how badly they predicted twenty
• 31:11
  fifteen that that right there makes it amazing. I love that flying cars,
• 31:19
  coverboards, all that kind of stuff. I you know, I like it.
• 31:26
  I think it's a good time. I don't think it is that high,
• 31:30
  but I'll fight you for it. I think that's fine. If you're
• 31:33
  talking about if you're talking about getting excited to watch it, Yeah, I
• 31:41
  agree that it whoa. I'm just saying, you leave it right where it
• 31:48
  is voted. We can we can argue about it later. We could argue
• 31:55
  about it later. But I'm gonna give you an example. You talked,
• 31:56
  you talked about getting excited. Okay, Now, my son has got to
• 32:00
  be careful because he's the only one of here that's got the power to kick
• 32:04
  it. Froll. Oh that's true. My son is eleven years old.
• 32:08
  Okay, I've watched these movies with him. He's seen them. He's seen
• 32:13
  them multiple times. Yeah, he was not alive in nineteen eighty five.
• 32:20
  He was three years old. In twenty fifteen and it doesn't look anything like
• 32:23
  the twenty fifteen that he knows, and he has never seen a Western Okay,
• 32:32
  and he loves watching these movies with me. That's got to mean something.
• 32:37
  That's Truely, I'm excited just talking about it. I know there is
• 32:43
  there's Okay. So do you remember when Star Trek did the musical episode last
• 32:50
  year and before it, I was like, oh God, I hate musicals.
• 32:55
  And I still, for the most part hate musicals. Although I enjoyed
• 33:00
  that episode of Star Trek, I really do not like music musicals. There
• 33:05
  is currently a Back to the Future musical down in New York down in New
• 33:10
  York City. It's running right now, and like every time the commercial comes
• 33:16
  on, I'm thinking about throwing the family on the train and going down to
• 33:22
  Manhattan to see Back to the Future the musical. When I go down there,
• 33:28
  let's go yeah, yeah, dudes watching a musical. I don't know,
• 33:40
  get the crew, if Scott, If Scott comes with us, yes,
• 33:47
  we could be three dudes watching a musical, just me and you.
• 33:57
  Flight of the Navigator. That's another good one. It's it's not it's not
• 34:01
  came from a strongbeard herself, right, fancy lads. Indeed, indeed,
• 34:08
  all right, next one, Doctor Who? Doctor Who? Do you remember
• 34:15
  about five minutes ago on this podcast when I said there are gonna be some
• 34:20
  controversial things that I'm going to say, I've never seen. I have never
• 34:23
  seen a single episode of Doctor Who. So so my memories of Doctor Who
• 34:34
  so all right, So I grew up in upstate New York, but it
• 34:37
  wasn't that far upstate that our TV channels were not the New York City UH
• 34:43
  TV stations. So we had we had two, four and seven, which
• 34:49
  were CBS, NBC and then ABC. Channel Channel nine was w o R
• 34:55
  out of Secaucus. Channel eleven was w p i X, and UH channel
• 35:02
  thirteen. You know, that's the end of the line, right right right.
• 35:07
  Channel thirteen was PBS, and they used to show Doctor Who. Okay,
• 35:15
  So when I was flipping through the channels on the dial, boom boom
• 35:17
  boom boom boom, turning that turning that dial, Yeah, doctor Who is
• 35:22
  when I knew it was time to turn back and go the other way.
• 35:25
  Okay, Doctor Who? Doctor Who is the cull the sack of my childhood.
• 35:35
  That's how I've talked to Okay, wow, I will say that we're
• 35:43
  all Star Trek fans here, right. And one of the key things about
• 35:46
  Star Trek fans, or the things about the Star Trek is it's uh,
• 35:52
  it's very big on on reason and logic and finding common ground with your enemies,
• 35:58
  which are all hallmarks a Doctor Who. I know you guys haven't seen
• 36:02
  it. I think you guys would enjoy it if you gave it a chance.
• 36:06
  Maybe the more modern stuff than the older stuff, but I think you
• 36:08
  would. I can't even know where to jump in. Yeah, anytime there's
• 36:13
  a new doctor, and I can tell you, like, go start with
• 36:15
  here, to start with there? I think you guys, is Doctor Who
• 36:20
  available on any streaming service we might have. The new stuff is on is
• 36:23
  on Disney Plus, like the the you know what, those are good launching
• 36:28
  points, the specials, the ones that were on Disney Plus that happened the
• 36:31
  last four they just introduced a new doctor, so yeah, those would be
• 36:37
  great ones. But since you guys have not seen it and I love it,
• 36:42
  I'm gonna bring it down to here. See, I'm gonna say something.
• 36:46
  I'm going to say something right now, and maybe it's gonna offend some
• 36:50
  of our friends from across the pond. Okay, but most British production I
• 37:02
  find it hard to watch. Yeah, a lot of British comedy I don't
• 37:08
  get. Sometimes the accents are just too much for me. Okay, It's
• 37:19
  like, I know this dude to speak in English, but I'll be I'll
• 37:22
  be damned if I know what he's what he's saying. Yeah, I loved
• 37:25
  coming from somebody who lives in New York with a clear Yeah, my father
• 37:32
  with a cap driver. Forget about it. Forget about it. I'm a
• 37:38
  star trek there yea anyway, like I was saying, the accent, Uh,
• 37:45
  let me ask you question. I'm a I'm a big fan. I'm
• 37:50
  a big fan of the Office. Okay. I that's another series that every
• 37:54
  few years I'll start it over and I'll watch the whole thing from beginning to
• 37:58
  end. I know it's I know it's based on a on a British show.
• 38:04
  I've tried to watch the British version and I just can't get through it.
• 38:08
  I can't get through it. So I don't know if Doctor Who is
• 38:13
  the same, but my my ethno centrism is uh probably a hurdle for me
• 38:21
  to get over but get over it. Yeah, if you can get over
• 38:29
  it. It is very much in the spirit of surgery. And can I
• 38:34
  can I suggest a I was gonna wait for the end of the show to
• 38:37
  do this. I was gonna ask if we could make a suggestion, uh,
• 38:42
  like picks for you know, people to watch or things to do or
• 38:45
  stuff like that. Like at the end of the show we can say,
• 38:46
  hey, do you have any suggestions for things to watch? Since we're on
• 38:51
  the sort of on that topic. Uh, A good gateway drug for you,
• 38:54
  Dan, if you want to get if you want to check out a
• 38:58
  British TV. Oh, it's not one hundred percent British, I strongly suggest
• 39:04
  ted Lasso. Oh yeah, it's only three seasons. It's about I watched
• 39:10
  it on the suggestion of my friend Amy. She suggested it and said you
• 39:15
  might like it. And I'm like, what's it about. It's about American
• 39:17
  football coach. Yes, and he he gets hired as a this European team,
• 39:27
  soccer team that they also call football, brings them over to coach their
• 39:31
  soccer team. And I'm like, I have no interest in soccer. I
• 39:35
  have no interest in England. I don't I barely know who jasonas is like
• 39:42
  for me, and I watched the first three episodes and I was cooked.
• 39:45
  In fact, I'm just about ready to watch the series finale. It's only
• 39:47
  three seasons. Well, I don't know, thirty episodes. It's funny sometimes
• 39:52
  how certain things you just you know, you know you shouldn't like it,
• 40:00
  but you do. I've talked about this before, but I watched Peacemaker.
• 40:05
  Yah. I you know, I'm not a wrestling fan. I can't stand
• 40:09
  John Cena. I think he's a I think he's a horrible actor. I
• 40:16
  was a I don't like the d c EU. I loved Peacemaker. I
• 40:25
  loved it, And every time I think about it, I'm embarrassed about how
• 40:30
  much I love it because I don't know why. How much did you I
• 40:36
  loved? I loved I loved the dance number At the first time. The
• 40:43
  first time, I'm like, what the what the hell am I watching?
• 40:46
  What is this? And then you and then you thought I'm gonna pass forward
• 40:51
  everything? And then you ever never, I never never fast forwarded through that
• 40:55
  thing. I have watched. I've I've probably watched Maker three times. Yeah,
• 41:01
  in the last year, all the way through. It's a good shown
• 41:06
  because it was based on my least favorite character from a movie that I thought
• 41:09
  was Okay, yeah, yep, yep, here's a dick with Bird of
• 41:14
  Prey in that movie Bird of Prey, right no, no, no,
• 41:17
  suicide squad yeah kind of two yeah, kind of yeah, the reboot before
• 41:24
  they reboot everything, right, yeah, the reboot before the before the three
• 41:29
  boot right right, all right? Next one movie. I think this is
• 41:34
  supposed to be Dune. I think it cut it off, but it it
• 41:37
  looks like the Dune font. So yeah, I'm gonna say it is.
• 41:39
  I'll say it for Scott. Yeah. I've never seen it, Okay,
• 41:45
  yeah, I haven't seen it. I wrote it down. In fact,
• 41:47
  I've got it written down from my notes last week that I need to see
• 41:50
  it. And I have a question for anybody who's seen it. Do I
• 41:52
  need to see the original one first before I see the one from like twenty
• 41:58
  twenty. So I got a buddy of mine who major Dune fan. He
• 42:02
  has read all the books, seen all the movies. I went and saw
• 42:07
  that the new one in theaters with him, and h you know, I
• 42:12
  imagine this is what it's like talking to me about Star Wars and Star Trek.
• 42:15
  He wouldn't shut up about it after we left, right. I know,
• 42:21
  at one point the main Paula trades turns into a worm. I guess
• 42:25
  is something. So I'm gonna say, dude, like maybe here it's the
• 42:35
  inspiration for so many things. Chasbiz is just screaming at his computer right now.
• 42:40
  But you know, since none of us are that into it, you
• 42:45
  know, and this is the correct ranking of where it belongs. Yes,
• 42:52
  this is exactly where it Chai. If Jasbist doesn't agree, then he's clearly
• 42:57
  wrong. That's right, that's right. Okay, that's where it'll go,
• 43:01
  right on the d where it belongs with those giant words, all right.
• 43:07
  Next is The Expanse. Never seen it either. I saw the first couple
• 43:13
  of episodes. My my friend Andy is a big The Expanse fan. Yeah,
• 43:20
  and you know, he's told me I need to watch it, And
• 43:22
  I watched the first couple of episodes and I thought they were good. Yeah.
• 43:27
  Sometimes I'm not in the mood for drama. Yeah, you know,
• 43:30
  I'm you know, sometimes I want you know, I always want sci fi,
• 43:36
  but sometimes I want The Orville. And it might be that I wasn't
• 43:39
  in the mood for this. It is on my list of shows to eventually
• 43:44
  watch. But I've heard nothing but great things about it. I've heard the
• 43:47
  same things does and made me watch it. I know Chad really loved it.
• 43:54
  You know. I'm thinking it's right up there with five. But I
• 43:59
  didn't watch it during the pand I'm not going to watch it now. Yeah,
• 44:01
  okay, if we're talking about being excited to watch it, I'm not
• 44:04
  really excited to watch it. Yeah. I'm gonna watch it when there's nothing
• 44:07
  else left and maybe I'll all in love with it. But until the Yeah,
• 44:13
  that's where it goes, right now, That's that's where Yeah, all
• 44:19
  right, next one? Next one is far Escape? Which one is this?
• 44:24
  That's the one with the muppet. It had a Jim Henson muppet in
• 44:30
  it. I know this is this? Was this? So we can tell
• 44:37
  that Dan was a big fan. Can you give us a snaps stand?
• 44:42
  I'm trying to remember what the show is. I I remember the poster.
• 44:45
  I've never seen it. Yeah, I don't remember what it is. It's
• 44:50
  uh, I don't remember it either. That's kind of I don't know if
• 44:52
  that jogs remember at all. I remember the most purple chick yeah. Uh,
• 45:00
  but you know, I'm gonna say, I'm just gonna say he needs
• 45:02
  to go all the way down at the bottom. Okay, if none of
• 45:07
  us really care. Was that one of those shows that was on after Star
• 45:15
  Trek during Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like like I
• 45:22
  remember it used to be there was a new episode of Deep Space nine and
• 45:24
  then Earth Final Conflict was afterwards, like they were hoping, they were hoping
• 45:29
  that the Deep Space nine fan was too lazy to get off the couch and
• 45:31
  change the channel. That's the Earth Final Conflict. That was a Roddenberry thing,
• 45:37
  wasn't it. Yeah? Yeah, but it was totally it was totally
• 45:40
  a coattails thing. It's it's like they went through with the shred bin under
• 45:45
  his desk, and we're like, let's see if there's anything in here that
• 45:50
  that he tossed. Yeah, this looks good. Let's make a show that
• 45:55
  same thing. Yes, Yes, that was the other one. Yep,
• 45:58
  yeah, yep. All right, speaking of Ripoff's Firefly, what do you
• 46:04
  mean speaking of rip Okay, I'm just making people mad at this point.
• 46:08
  I have thoughts, Yes, go for it. What are your thoughts?
• 46:14
  The one season of Firefly? Yeah, and I've always said it. I
• 46:17
  haven't. I haven't rewatched it in probably it's been over a decade since I
• 46:22
  rewatched it. Yeah, but it is probably one of my favorite single seasons
• 46:28
  of television ever. Okay, so I it belongs in the number one or
• 46:35
  number two spots. I went into Firefly so backwards. I first thing I
• 46:40
  ever watched was the movie Oh wow, yeah, okay, yeah, I
• 46:45
  had no idea what was going on, but I thought it was cool.
• 46:47
  Then I watched the show, and then when reback, went back and watched
• 46:51
  the movie. Okay, I have because I do audio books, I have
• 46:55
  listened to a couple of the books. Oh yeah, those are fun as
• 46:59
  well. I'm gonna say I'm give an a. I don't think it's Yeah.
• 47:07
  I watched the movie yeah, twenty years ago. Okay, somebody's on
• 47:13
  somebody's suggestion, because the movie is called something else, right, called Serenity,
• 47:16
  which is the name. Okay, So, and was that a theatrical
• 47:22
  release? It was, okay, presidented theatrical release because the show had been
• 47:29
  over for a while. Yeah, and nobody was making movies about TV shows
• 47:34
  that had been canceled. And Firefly is another example of of the how do
• 47:39
  I put this nicely, of the stupid executives at Fox not knowing what they
• 47:45
  had. These are the same people that canceled Terminator's air Kno Chronicles. Well,
• 47:51
  we'll talk. We'll talk about that, I'm sure because Terminators on this
• 47:53
  list somewhere right, and the people at the w B are making he the
• 47:59
  the c W are making the same mistake with the Superman and Lois for the
• 48:04
  exact same reason that they anceled us Sarah Kinta Chronicles. But anyways, Firefly,
• 48:08
  I would the question has been posed to me by people sometimes. Name
• 48:15
  a perfect movie, you know, and that doesn't mean a movie that grows
• 48:17
  the most or gallat acting. Name a perfect movie. Galaxy Quest is an
• 48:22
  example of a perfect movie. I would put How To Train Your Dragon a
• 48:28
  perfect movie. I would put Firefly up there as as a perfect series.
• 48:35
  I loved everything about it. It was it was great. I watched it
• 48:39
  in the number two spots. I watched the movie, uh twenty years ago
• 48:45
  on somebody's suggestion. I was made aware. I was made aware of the
• 48:50
  series. I remember enjoying the movie, but nothing made me go seek out
• 48:58
  the series. Nothing made me watch the movie again ever again. So I
• 49:04
  don't know. Out of all the series that I've suggested to friends over the
• 49:07
  years, I have suggested this over Star Trek, okay, okay, and
• 49:14
  I would put I would put this season. I would put Firefly up against
• 49:19
  Star Trek any day, really, because if you if you watch it,
• 49:23
  we're talking we're talking about We're okay, we're talking about the whole franchise of
• 49:30
  Star Trek though, so you're saying hold on exactly, So you're talking about
• 49:37
  thirteen hours of content, and yeah, this is Scott's last you know,
• 49:45
  for you, for you to put thirteen hours of content up up against ts
• 49:52
  TNNG, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Enterprise, Strange, New World's Discovery
• 49:58
  and what have we got fifty movies at this point? Yeah, yeah,
• 50:01
  yeah, you know, come on, man, that next week, I
• 50:05
  would imagine that I'm going to be reading a letter that says something along the
• 50:07
  lines of Deer Trek cast fans and but I am always trying to change and
• 50:13
  to grow. That's right, that's right. You're gonna make your video apology.
• 50:17
  I regret my decision. I'm about to do an apology tour. Yeh
• 50:24
  chs chess B says, you're getting voted off the island. Long Live the
• 50:29
  Federation. See, I knew I hadn't been this on the show long enough
• 50:34
  to make this take this kind of risk. Yeah, and now it begins.
• 50:39
  All right, I think we should skip. Like the video game franchises,
• 50:44
  we're not really gamers. So yeah, okay, I agree. Mad
• 50:49
  Max is the next one. Oh, I've never seen any of them.
• 50:55
  I saw the original and I was, I don't know, twenty five years
• 51:01
  ago. Maybe yeah, it didn't, you know. I'm just I'm just
• 51:07
  gonna say this. What's that the d D level putting it with du Yeah
• 51:15
  that chess bist. I'm sure chests Bis agrees. Yeah, that's fine.
• 51:20
  Yeah what Yeah, Chas bits in the chat he says what Yeah, did
• 51:29
  I read that? Chastis? What? Guys? All right? Next one,
• 51:36
  The Matrix groundbreaking. I've said it before. This was the first.
• 51:44
  Matrix was my favorite movie going experience of all time. Yeah, my my
• 51:49
  buddy Gabe and I were just kind of be bopping around. It was nineteen
• 51:52
  ninety nine, summer ninety nine, and we were just we went to the
• 51:54
  movie theater with no idea what we're going to go see? We you know,
• 51:59
  So we went we were like, we're looking you know, we're looking
• 52:00
  up at the Marquee. We're like, okay, we can go see this
• 52:02
  comedy and there's this uh, you know, drama, and then there's a
• 52:07
  sci fi and we just kind of it kind of flipped the coin and said,
• 52:09
  let's go see this sci fi looking one with zero expectations, and right,
• 52:15
  you know, obviously left the movie theater blown away. So as a
• 52:20
  franchise, it just kept getting worse and worse and worse. Yeah, Matrix,
• 52:23
  reloaded, Matrix, regurgitated, Matrix. Twenty years later, we want
• 52:28
  to make some money, can we whatever? Yeah, can we suckle a
• 52:32
  little more cash from the teeth of this aging franchise? Yeah, So that's
• 52:38
  that's that's how I feel about it. I mean, on the strength of
• 52:42
  the first one, you know, it's got to be above the expanse in
• 52:46
  Dune, right, And that's that's what I would put I would put it
• 52:52
  above Dune. Dan. Yeah, Dan, what are you? What are
• 52:58
  your thoughts on this? That's what his thoughts are. He just went away.
• 53:02
  Yeah, well, I'm going to agree with you. I think it's
• 53:06
  right in the sea level. Yep. I think that's right where it belongs.
• 53:10
  It's not that I hate it, but it's just it's not as great
• 53:14
  as it could be. Yeah. So yeah, and as you'll see,
• 53:19
  there are a lot of franchises here where you're like, oh, I love
• 53:22
  the you know, the Star Wars franchise or the you know whatever franchise.
• 53:27
  But you gotta remember a lot of we're stinkers, you know. Yeah,
• 53:30
  well a lot of them are repeats. So we're just you know, since
• 53:34
  that on is there, and then I found the Dune logo that I'm gonna
• 53:36
  put that there, so okay, there you go. Yeah, okay,
• 53:39
  so only got like four more really because all the rest are repeats, so
• 53:45
  we're part of the same franchise. Yeah, there's ben Sorry, guys,
• 53:50
  that's sure what happened. So we just put we just put Star Trek lower,
• 53:55
  two tiers lower. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna put it. We
• 54:00
  said you wouldn't mind, right, all right, next one the terminator?
• 54:05
  Hold on, what what what did I miss? Though? Seriously, you
• 54:07
  miss Mad Max? Which was okay, matrix matrix Matrix, all right,
• 54:15
  that's I can live with that. Were you here for the conversation? We
• 54:17
  just said that, you know, one good movie and like three stinkers.
• 54:22
  Although the Animaterix was good. Yeah, the Animaterix was good. I only
• 54:27
  saw the first Matrix. It was a good movie. I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 54:31
  upset a lot of people by saying this. Uh, Keanu Reeves is a
• 54:37
  good actor. Okay, he he was not always a good actor. He
• 54:43
  has improved over time. And I think the first Matrix movie was before that
• 54:49
  occurred. So fair enough. Yeah, so Matrix hate by Dan That's all
• 54:53
  right, I did say hated it. Okay, say, okay, all
• 55:00
  right, Well Terminator where are we at? This is the sea a perfect
• 55:05
  example of what I was just talking about. I think everybody can agree that
• 55:08
  Terminator two was the best movie. Yeah, that was the high one.
• 55:14
  It absolutely was that. That was also in my in my list of near
• 55:19
  perfect movies. Yep. It told a almost perfect story. It had it
• 55:23
  had really high stakes it. You know, it's it's a movie. It's
• 55:29
  a movie about a killing machine. Yeah, and I cried at the end.
• 55:32
  Yeah, but there were there was Terminator three, and then there was
• 55:40
  the other two or three movies that didn't have anything to do with Arnold Schwarzenegger
• 55:45
  and uh, dark Fate is out there. I didn't hate it. I
• 55:50
  didn't love it. It was nostalgic because it drew from Terminator two specifically and
• 55:55
  sort of ignored the rest. Sarah kna Chronicles a very underrated series. Yes,
• 56:01
  it was excellent. Uh you know Summer Glow. Uh you know,
• 56:08
  and uh, the the person who played Sarah, she was also in the
• 56:13
  Game of Thrones, you know. I thought she did a pay oh yeah,
• 56:15
  yeah, so but it gets dragged down by you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger
• 56:23
  and assless chaps, right, you know, and and star sunglasses. I
• 56:30
  feel like this all brings it up. But okay, I mean some of
• 56:37
  the later movies are terrible. The latest one, what was that Dark Fate?
• 56:40
  Yes, I was pretty solid. I like it. Yeah, but
• 56:45
  I think they had done so many bad ones that people just did not care
• 56:47
  anymore. You know. I actually, uh, I actually like I still
• 56:52
  like Terminator three. Yeah, I actually don't think that one's bad. Yeah.
• 57:00
  Everything, And I liked Sarah Connor Chronicles. Yeah. Everything after that
• 57:07
  was a misstep in one way or another. I rewatched some of those from
• 57:13
  time to time, Okay, And I don't know why I think in this
• 57:23
  agreed and what we're talking about yep, maybe we learned. We learned.
• 57:30
  We learned this week that we got people who only listen to the audio version.
• 57:32
  So we keep saying, I think this, I think we have to
• 57:37
  explain what this is. Okay, So so I think either B or Sea
• 57:40
  level and B level we've already got Doctor Who and Co and Cowboy Bebop Sea
• 57:49
  level, we've got two thousand and one of Space Outsse, the Alien franchise,
• 57:52
  Matrix Runner, and Blade Runner. Yeah. So Daniel was thinking it's
• 57:58
  on par with Cowboy Bebop Doctor Who. Yeah, and this is supposed to
• 58:06
  look like a bell curve at the end that it often does, I would
• 58:08
  imagine, because you know, most of them are good, a few are
• 58:14
  great, a fewer stinkers. Yeah. I don't know what do you guys
• 58:21
  think. I mean, I'm fine with either one. I think we can
• 58:22
  put it in one category, move on, and then tweak it. Okay,
• 58:27
  let's leave it. See, I feel like it's it's Sea level,
• 58:30
  you know, fair enough? All right? The next one, tron Uh.
• 58:36
  I saw the original one in junior high school in my in my intro
• 58:44
  to computers class. Well, they had computers. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 58:52
  it was an Avocus all right, move the beads. I was gonna give
• 59:01
  you some credit. I figured you'd have to like take the tape out.
• 59:06
  I think I think Tron is a really good idea. I think it has
• 59:13
  some nice elements to it, but as a story, especially the second one,
• 59:21
  it's just not that great. Yeah, and I think it's probably d
• 59:30
  or each here towards the bottom either. Yeah. I think visually it looks
• 59:36
  fantastic, especially the newer one Tron legacy. I think it looks amazing,
• 59:39
  but there's not a lot of substance to it, you know. So yeah,
• 59:45
  I would say eat here, Okay, yeah, okay, when we
• 59:50
  got two more, the rest of these are all repeats. So when we
• 59:52
  got two, we got the Twilight Zone in Star Wars, So let's do
• 59:54
  the Twilight Zone. I'm sure all of us has seen at least one episode
• 1:00:02
  of the Twilight Zone. I've seen a few episodes of the Twilight Zone.
• 1:00:07
  Well, and remember they made a Twilight Zone remake right when Discovery kicked off,
• 1:00:12
  and that came and went right. Yeah, I didn't see any of
• 1:00:15
  that. I've seen a couple of reruns of the original, you know,
• 1:00:20
  back in the day, of which there's only one that I can remember.
• 1:00:24
  I can only remember the it's either one or two. The guy who gets
• 1:00:30
  shrunk down into a tiny, tiny like it's like a little terrarium of like
• 1:00:37
  a city or something. Remember that one. And I remember the one at
• 1:00:40
  the end where he gets he's a big, big into reading and he's all
• 1:00:46
  by himself, he's the last person on the planet. He gets stuck in
• 1:00:49
  a library and then he breaks his glasses. I remember that. Oh yeah,
• 1:00:52
  but it's not just it's the cultural impact too of the Twilight Zone.
• 1:00:55
  I'd be excited to watch it again. There's the famous one, William Shanner,
• 1:00:59
  there's a grim on the way. Yeah, that's right, the Grimlins.
• 1:01:01
  So I think you also have to consider that the Twilight Zone has been
• 1:01:09
  imitated so many times. Okay, there's so many shows out there that take
• 1:01:17
  that Twilight Zone format. What's what's that show we watched a few years ago.
• 1:01:22
  We watched the one episode because it had a Star Trek themed episode,
• 1:01:25
  Black Mirror. Black Mirror is the Twilight Zone. Yeah, used to be
• 1:01:31
  a show on HBO called The Hitchhiker. Yeah it's Twilight Zone. Yeah,
• 1:01:38
  what's the Tales from the Crypt Twilight it's a twilet Zone, Freddy's Freddy's Nightmares,
• 1:01:45
  twilight Zone, thirteenth the series, it's the twilight Zone. Yeah,
• 1:01:51
  creep show, it's the Twilight Zone. They've you know, they've put a
• 1:01:54
  different name on it so many different times, but it's the same show.
• 1:01:59
  Yeah. The cultural impact I think is pretty big. I would say be
• 1:02:04
  tier then yeah, yeah, which is which is the third third tier?
• 1:02:09
  Right? Which is right in line with Captain or Tawboy Bebop and Doctor Who's
• 1:02:15
  all right? Aga? The last one that we have on our list.
• 1:02:17
  People are saying X files to add in there. I don't know how to
• 1:02:21
  add things to this, so sorry, on the list. Uh, Star
• 1:02:24
  Wars, put it right up on the top with Star Trek and then we'll
• 1:02:30
  argue about it. Okay, I can agree with that. Put it on
• 1:02:32
  the top and we'll argue about it. So these two, okay, So
• 1:02:37
  for people just listening, yeah, right right now, there are two franchises
• 1:02:42
  at the top of this list battling for supremacy, Star Trek and Star Wars,
• 1:02:46
  and we we can't ignore the fact that the legacy of these two franchises
• 1:02:53
  are so intertwined. Right now, Star Trek, Star Trek with out in
• 1:03:00
  the sixties. It found success in syndication in the in the seventies, they
• 1:03:09
  kept trying to remake it, either into another series or into a movie,
• 1:03:15
  and they couldn't get it off the ground. The one of the only reasons
• 1:03:19
  Star Wars was made is because they were pointing to the success of this show
• 1:03:23
  in syndication called Star Trek. And then Star Wars was made and it was
• 1:03:29
  such a huge hit that Paramount woke up and said, you know, we
• 1:03:32
  got this thing called Star Trek that the kids really like. We could throw
• 1:03:37
  a bunch of money at this thing and maybe get some of that Star Wars
• 1:03:42
  money. And they did, and forever these two franchises are intertwined now.
• 1:03:45
  So there's there's that famous picture of I don't know, I don't know what
• 1:03:50
  convention it's at, but there's a famous picture of George Lucas shaking hands with
• 1:03:53
  Geene Roddenberry and just you know, all the fields when you see that.
• 1:04:00
  So I don't know which one should take this top spot. This is a
• 1:04:05
  Star Trek on Trek cast. You don't know which one should be the top
• 1:04:12
  I love I love me some Star Wars. In the last ten years.
• 1:04:16
  They've done some really great things with it. They've also done some really poor
• 1:04:21
  things with it, as they have with Star Trek. So this this the
• 1:04:29
  sequel trilogy of Star Wars, absolute hot garbage, absolute hot garbage. If
• 1:04:34
  I could erase it from existence, I would. Yeah. The Mandalorian for
• 1:04:42
  the most part, has been amazing, right, uh baby Yoda as as
• 1:04:47
  a character, as as something to get people excited and reignite interest. Holy
• 1:04:56
  cow, yep did they make Did they make some mistakes with the Mandalorian?
• 1:05:02
  Yes, sure, they took They took Boba Fett's whole stick and gave it
• 1:05:08
  to some other guy, right, and then when it was time to do
• 1:05:11
  something with Boba Fett, they had to do something different with him because they
• 1:05:14
  gave his whole stick away, and so his projects became I don't want to
• 1:05:18
  say a failure, but it wasn't what it should have been, right,
• 1:05:25
  Yeah, everybody agrees the Book of Bulbafet wasn't as good as the Mandalorian.
• 1:05:28
  In fact, a lot of the Book of Boffet was the man. Yeah,
• 1:05:31
  yeah, but yeah, when you compare, you know, it was
• 1:05:35
  one of the newer producers. I think one of the newer producers for the
• 1:05:40
  J J Abrams Star Trek said, you know they can when they compared Star
• 1:05:45
  Trek and Star Wars. You know, Star Trek is uh classical music and
• 1:05:50
  Star Wars is rock. And you know it's hard to say which one is
• 1:05:55
  better. Is rock and roll better than classical? Well, they're both different.
• 1:05:59
  And and you know, to talk about franchises and their legacy, you
• 1:06:03
  don't say what's better Star Wars or Back in the Future, or what's better
• 1:06:08
  Star Trek or you know, doctor Who, it's it's always Star Trek and
• 1:06:12
  Star Wars being compared with the right. Those are the two, yeah,
• 1:06:15
  you know, and we don't go to the conventions. It's Star Trek and
• 1:06:17
  Star Wars and part and part of that is simply the name. You know,
• 1:06:27
  they both start with the word star. I feel like I feel like
• 1:06:30
  if Star Trek was called Galaxy Quest since nineteen eighty two or nineteen sixty two
• 1:06:35
  or whatever, you know, I don't think we'd have it might have been
• 1:06:40
  different. This thing so much, I think because the average person, well
• 1:06:45
  not the average person anymore, but there's still people out there that you know,
• 1:06:49
  don't know the difference. They're completely clueless and they don't know the difference.
• 1:06:56
  So I yeah, so I think the names, just the similarities in
• 1:06:59
  the names kind of people end up putting these things up against each other when
• 1:07:04
  they really don't belong there. Star Trek is science fiction. Star Wars is
• 1:07:09
  fantasy that takes place in outer space. It's not science Star Wars is not
• 1:07:12
  science fiction. No, it just isn't. Yeah, I agree with that.
• 1:07:16
  With that compared when you say the average person, it makes me think
• 1:07:19
  of that that scene from Wrest and Development with lady goes, here's some money,
• 1:07:24
  go see a star War. Yes, ye, see a Star Wars?
• 1:07:29
  Which is your favorite Star Wars? Yeah? I like the one with
• 1:07:32
  Spock. Okay, that's that's fine. So yeah, I think, yeah,
• 1:07:39
  I think they put the neck and neck. That's fine. They're they're
• 1:07:42
  both pretty great, you know. So so let's do the rundown. Now
• 1:07:46
  what we had, Let's do the rundown. We've got at the should we
• 1:07:51
  go from the bottom of the top. Let's go from the bottom, Okay,
• 1:07:55
  very bottom. The worst are the worst far escape it's just trash.
• 1:08:00
  That's fine, don't care about it. Then, still just sitting in the
• 1:08:01
  trash can just kind of the flies are buzzing around. You got babble on
• 1:08:05
  five, the Expanse and Tron. I'd like to argue, I'd like to
• 1:08:10
  make an argument to raise the Expanse up one level? One level? Why
• 1:08:15
  yeah, why, Well, it's not an argument, that's just saying you
• 1:08:18
  want to do something, Okay, I'd like to make a statement. Then
• 1:08:23
  I would have to present my argument. The My argument is everybody I've ever
• 1:08:28
  talked to that watched the the entire series has said it was fantastic. Okay,
• 1:08:33
  and for me that does generate a little bit of buzz. Yeah.
• 1:08:36
  I don't know any of those people, so it can stay where it is.
• 1:08:40
  Yeah, yeah, Wow, happy with the list? Can I get
• 1:08:48
  somehow from anybody listening or whos on the YouTube? Uh? Raise five?
• 1:08:56
  Who said that? Yeah? You know what? Just for that lower Wow.
• 1:09:09
  I can't wait for listener feedback. It's gonna be a nightmare, all
• 1:09:13
  right. All right, So out of the trash can just about to get
• 1:09:15
  dumped. We've got dude and Max mad Max fair, that's fair, okay,
• 1:09:23
  all right, just sitting in the pantry. Maybe you'll get around to
• 1:09:26
  it, maybe you won't. We've got two thousand and one of space out
• 1:09:30
  of seat, got Alien franchise, got Blade Runner, the Matrix, and
• 1:09:34
  the Man the Terminator. It seems about right. I H I wish we
• 1:09:42
  could flip all of C and all of B ooh not except for I don't
• 1:09:49
  know anything about two thousand one Space out of the although all of C and
• 1:09:55
  all of B y. Yeah, So let me make this argument. Yeah,
• 1:10:00
  I'm about to blow your mind. I actually agree with Scott. Okay,
• 1:10:08
  okay, one of one of my no, no, no, no,
• 1:10:11
  one of my reasons. We're talking about franchises, right, So at
• 1:10:15
  this point, Aliens and Predator are one franchise. They have crossed over so
• 1:10:21
  many times that it's really just one franchise. So I think that's got a
• 1:10:29
  bump Alien up. So like this, for those of you watching the or
• 1:10:36
  not watching the video, the se list, so sitting in the pantry,
• 1:10:41
  we would have Twilight Zone, Doctor Who, Cowboy Bebop in two thousand and
• 1:10:45
  one A Space I see, yep, I can see that are on the
• 1:10:51
  B list. We would have the Alien franchise. Is that Blade Runner,
• 1:10:55
  Blade Runner, Matrix, and Terminator. Okay, I can agree with that.
• 1:11:00
  I would I would even move twilight Zone up to be yeah, I
• 1:11:06
  can tell you. So to continue our analogy, the pantry has got Doctor
• 1:11:13
  who caw wave you up in two thousand and his Space Odyssey. Okay.
• 1:11:18
  The groceries that you just brought in is Aliens or Alien Blade, Runner,
• 1:11:25
  the Matrix, the Twilight Zone, and the Terminator. Okay. What you
• 1:11:30
  got in your hand you're about to cook with. You got firefly, probably
• 1:11:36
  make it at home, right, you're fast food. You know you're in
• 1:11:41
  a you're in a hurry, and you're thinking you might might chout out on
• 1:11:44
  some stuff. Is your st here? You got some uh some Battlestar Galactica
• 1:11:49
  and Back to the Future. Mm hmm. And when you want some fans
• 1:11:54
  to live in some Krim de la Krim. Get on your Sunday best.
• 1:11:57
  We're going to Red Lobster. You got your Star Trek Star Wars. Okay,
• 1:12:03
  so I think I think since we can only have one in the top
• 1:12:10
  spot, Yeah, no, we can do whatever we want. It's our
• 1:12:13
  list. I think Battlestar Galaxica should drop down to A, which is the
• 1:12:23
  third tier, third tier, and Star Wars should drop down to S it's
• 1:12:29
  the second tier. So it'll be Star Trek at top on the top,
• 1:12:32
  and then Star Wars and back to the Future. I like it. Okay,
• 1:12:40
  can we put Battlestar Galactica to the left the Firefly just just so there
• 1:12:45
  we go, just because you know, I read left. Wonder I wonder
• 1:12:51
  if Keeping Up with the Kardascians has an email addressed like, oh God,
• 1:12:57
  where do we put the Real Housewives? Yeah? I'm okay with this.
• 1:13:05
  I will I will post it in the group for everyone to see and to
• 1:13:11
  let them know that this is the definitive list. There is no going back
• 1:13:15
  on it. Yeah, yep, you think anything else, you're wrong.
• 1:13:18
  If anybody else agrees with me, it would even look better visually if the
• 1:13:23
  Expanse went up one level. But you know, I don't know what you're
• 1:13:26
  talking about. Yeah, this is a list, okay, so wait,
• 1:13:32
  all right, hold on a minute. So you want the Expanse to go
• 1:13:35
  up one level, correct? Okay? So that would mean that the bottom
• 1:13:42
  three are Dune, mad Max, and the Expanse. Just below that is
• 1:13:45
  Babylon five and Tron, and just below that is far Escape. That's yeact
• 1:13:51
  Okay. So I've never seen Dune, never seen mad Max, never seen
• 1:13:57
  the Expanse, only saw two or three episodes of Battle on five. So
• 1:14:01
  Tron once thirty five years ago, never seen far Escape. I'm fine,
• 1:14:05
  that's fine. We got okay, and it's a real it's a real Bolkert.
• 1:14:09
  They kind of like it does look like a bel Yeah, and I
• 1:14:13
  think that financially happens. So uh So, from from top down now,
• 1:14:17
  what we've got is in the top tier is Star Trek and tier number two
• 1:14:24
  is Back in the Future in Star Wars. In tier number three is Battlestar
• 1:14:29
  glact Cut and Firefly. In tier number four we have the Alien franchise,
• 1:14:33
  Blade Runner, the Matrix, the Terminator franchise, and the Twilight Zone.
• 1:14:40
  In tier number five we have Doctor Who, Cowboy Bebop two thousand and one,
• 1:14:43
  the Space out of Seat. In tier six we have Dune Mad Max
• 1:14:48
  franchise, the Expanse. In tier number seven six we have so I'm looking
• 1:14:56
  at this the screen in tier numbers six or seven, it's uh what is
• 1:15:02
  that? Babylon and Tron and Tron and then the last tear the bottom tiers
• 1:15:12
  these are like your eyesham again, I'm looking at I'm looking at my cell
• 1:15:16
  phone and the screen is literally an inch and a half tall by an inch
• 1:15:23
  and three quarters wide. So yeah, you gotta do what I do and
• 1:15:27
  do this every everyone. That's what I'm doing. Every once in a while,
• 1:15:30
  I'm like, what's that. Oh yeah, that's Parscape. Yeah,
• 1:15:35
  for anyone listening at home who's not watching the video show, I just looked
• 1:15:40
  like the first appearance of the when they were right up, right up on
• 1:15:43
  the screen, I know that is warning warning, nerd alert, nerd alert.
• 1:15:53
  It's fine if you really want to guys, if you really want to
• 1:15:57
  scare uh h, cast like, look at this the show again. Only
• 1:16:02
  cast it on one of your HD screens in the living room. Mm hmm.
• 1:16:08
  It'll frighten you. Oh yeah yeah, and remember this is the list.
• 1:16:13
  This is how it goes. Yeah yeah, this is the definitive list.
• 1:16:16
  Yeah. Yeah, So your wife just ye, your wife just chime
• 1:16:21
  chimed in with a homework assignment. Yeah. I think your homework should be
• 1:16:26
  to watch the first what can you read that for me because I can barely
• 1:16:29
  read. Yeah. I think your homework should be to watch the first episode
• 1:16:31
  of everything you haven't see and then relook at your list. How how you
• 1:16:35
  would vote if you've never seen it? Oh? So let me. Let
• 1:16:39
  me explain, Let me explain how this works. Yeah, my wife,
• 1:16:43
  My wife gives me homework. Your wife gives you homework. There's it doesn't
• 1:16:47
  the same homework. There's no crossover there. My wife is telling me to
• 1:16:53
  watch sci fi series. Yeah that's true. Yeah, that's true. My
• 1:17:00
  wife wants me to clean out, clean out the gutters, I think,
• 1:17:01
  right, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, I'll go tell my wife.
• 1:17:13
  Yeah, you know, Scott's wife gave me homework. I gotta watch.
• 1:17:17
  You're watch Babylon five, so the gutters will have to wait. I'm
• 1:17:21
  gonna watch the Expanse now, see you later. Yeah, yeah, all
• 1:17:28
  right, well I will watch. Yeah to my friend Andy, I am
• 1:17:33
  going to watch the Expanse one of these days. Okay, okay, all
• 1:17:39
  right, well that is the main topic. Should we get to listener feedback.
• 1:17:43
  I'm a little scared to get wait. Oh wait, it's it's Expanse.
• 1:17:47
  Yeah. Oh oh I thought it was expants. Oh yeah, like
• 1:17:54
  like like your ex girlfriend left a pair of jeans at your house. Okay,
• 1:17:58
  all right, I'll go watch it now. Oh kay, look at
• 1:18:00
  a listener feedback. Let's get the listener feedback. Yeah, let's do that
• 1:18:15
  have a cha is gonna be Oh yeah, he's gonna come on in.
• 1:18:18
  Uh. In the meantime, I do have an email from a listener from
• 1:18:21
  John zeb Uh. He emails in from Riverside, California, and he says,
• 1:18:27
  I've been listening for about the past year or so, really enjoying the
• 1:18:30
  show. I was wondering for each of you, what is your favorite character
• 1:18:33
  on this in the Star Trek universe? And why? Boy, that's tough.
• 1:18:41
  Yeah, I mean, the goofy answer I want to get right away
• 1:18:45
  is Porthos. But you know that's that's not you know, they all have
• 1:18:55
  a special and when I say all, they're all different. Answer. They
• 1:18:58
  have a special place in my heart for what they inspire me to be.
• 1:19:01
  I I from from uh, you know, a long time ago when I
• 1:19:05
  started watching Next Generation. Yeah, I always gravitards, gravitated towards Commander Riker.
• 1:19:12
  And the reason why is because, first and foremost, he's so confident.
• 1:19:18
  You know, he's he's confident in his duties with the ladies, in
• 1:19:23
  everything he's got. He's got a strong beard. He you know, when
• 1:19:29
  he's talking to somebody, when he's given orders, when he's when he's on
• 1:19:31
  a date, he's just exudes confidence and uh, you know, professionalism,
• 1:19:35
  and I just you know, I uh, He's one of my favorite characters.
• 1:19:41
  Okay, okay, Dan Jean Loue Picard, Okay, t N G
• 1:19:51
  Jean Look Picard. Not so much movie Jean Locard, but TG Picard.
• 1:19:57
  He is h the perfectly. You know, he respects, he respects his
• 1:20:04
  people. He's respected by them. You could tell that no one, no
• 1:20:09
  one questions his orders. I would. I would follow him over cliff if
• 1:20:15
  he told me to. I trust his ability that much, his his sense
• 1:20:21
  of right and wrong. So many, so many occasions in TNNG he has
• 1:20:30
  done the right thing, even when it was easier to do the wrong thing
• 1:20:35
  right. And I've always respected that about the character. I've always tried to
• 1:20:43
  make decisions in my life the same way. You know. One of my
• 1:20:48
  favorite scenes is when he tells Wesley Crusher, who is this kid who has
• 1:20:53
  idolized him for ten years? At this point, your first duty is to
• 1:20:58
  the truth. And if you're not strong enough to stand up and tell the
• 1:21:02
  truth, I will get out and just dismisses him, and and he just
• 1:21:10
  he tries to talk to him and he says he's a captain and he's like,
• 1:21:13
  just get out. Yeah. I mean that's such a powerful that's such
• 1:21:15
  a powerful scene. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I felt like every little
• 1:21:27
  decided thing I've ever done of my life. Yeah, yep, yep.
• 1:21:31
  I watched that episode. Then I went and cleaned my room. There you
• 1:21:34
  go. I thought about that question in terms of, like, if they
• 1:21:41
  come on the screen, do I get excited that they're there, if it's
• 1:21:44
  an episode centered around that person, is that like my more drawn towards those
• 1:21:47
  episodes? Right? And so for me the answer was worth Oh yeah,
• 1:21:54
  I just think he's got an interesting art. He's a fun character. He's
• 1:22:00
  goofy, but he's serious. He's you know, like he's got so much
• 1:22:04
  going, so much dynamic. He's in a ton of different series. So
• 1:22:09
  like, if you don't like him in TG, you might like nine,
• 1:22:12
  you might like him in the Car. Right, He's just all over the
• 1:22:15
  map. So yeah, I went, I think we have a solid a
• 1:22:18
  weight team. Some of the some of the comedy, some of the comedy
• 1:22:25
  that came out of the later appearances of Wharf I love them. Uh.
• 1:22:30
  I've been watching Pluto lately and they have they have Deep Space nine and heavy
• 1:22:34
  Rotation, and last night was the episode where they go on vacation to Riza
• 1:22:40
  work comes along him there. Yeah, yes, yes, when when when
• 1:22:48
  Quark said what he tells Quark to go sit down three times and Quarks is
• 1:22:53
  going to setting a course for Deep Space nine? Yes, I was,
• 1:22:58
  I was. I was warped saying I will turn this car right around.
• 1:23:05
  Yeah. I love that, And I mean, I've seen that scene a
• 1:23:10
  thousand times and I'm laying on the couch, I'm laying on the couch last
• 1:23:14
  night watching it, and I laughed out loud. I chuckled to myself out
• 1:23:17
  that I knew it was coming. I knew it was coming, and it
• 1:23:19
  didn't matter. It's still made me chuckle. And it wasn't even it wasn't
• 1:23:25
  even a great episode. It was a great moment. You know. Somebody,
• 1:23:30
  somebody put up in the chat that that episode is insufferable, and yeah,
• 1:23:33
  it's not a great episode. Yeah, but it has some good moments
• 1:23:39
  and that was that was one of them. Yeah, environmental terrorism isn't exactly
• 1:23:44
  Yeah, whatever, all right, you guys, ready to face the music.
• 1:23:51
  Chatz was on the line. He's not happy all right, guys.
• 1:23:56
  Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna reset my connectouldn't because your phone give me the
• 1:24:03
  best shot jazz. Yeah, that's going on one star writing on iTunes at
• 1:24:09
  the moment. Yeah, you're mad about doing huh well mad Max too?
• 1:24:15
  Come on. Yeah, it's like you can't rank stuff if you haven't seen
• 1:24:20
  it. No, that's part of the ranking. I haven't been drunk to
• 1:24:25
  it. What and Babylon five come on guys, Yeah, yeah, what
• 1:24:32
  did I miss? They got chess? Is that what I missed? Yeah?
• 1:24:41
  He loves the cool fair list. Okay, why up there? Star
• 1:24:50
  Wars. I'd see why Star Wars got downgraded because some of the TV shows
• 1:24:56
  and other stuff the Disney movies have kind of heart star Wars. Okay.
• 1:25:00
  Back to the Future is good. Battlestar galact because you know, I think
• 1:25:04
  the original series of Battlestar Galactic kind of hurts it because it's so eighties.
• 1:25:11
  But if you put the new one it'd probably be triple S tear. Yeah,
• 1:25:15
  and then Firefly it's it's a great show. Aliens the movies hurt,
• 1:25:21
  you know, the first two are great, and then after that Aliens yeah
• 1:25:26
  kind of falls off. I mean you can agree that Cowboy Bwop is better
• 1:25:30
  than Mad Max. No, have you seen have you seen Fury Road?
• 1:25:36
  Yeah? I didn't have a jazz soundtrack, Dude, Fury Road like comy
• 1:25:42
  Oscars? I don't know, not, not nearly. It didn't have a
• 1:25:46
  corky how many oscars? It'd start two? Yeah? Zero? And Star
• 1:25:53
  Wars? All right, all right, there you go, There you go.
• 1:25:57
  Your argument is void? Meant is what? Okay, chance I was
• 1:26:01
  writing something down. Did you mention did we mentioned Firefly? Yeah? Okay,
• 1:26:08
  what were your thoughts on Firefly? Did you did you watch it?
• 1:26:12
  I watched Firefly? Yeah, I watched the whole series in the movie I
• 1:26:16
  did, Like Daniel, I saw the movie first and then I watched the
• 1:26:19
  series. Oh no, ye, because I had no idea it was a
• 1:26:23
  TV series because I was like, there's a new sci fi maybe, let's
• 1:26:26
  go see it. And then watching the maybe and really liked it and actually
• 1:26:30
  helped out because it's like made me more excited for the show because I bought
• 1:26:34
  it on DVD back then. Oh nice. So yeah, I'm gonna mention
• 1:26:39
  Firefly when we do a brand new segment called Recommendations that I just told Dan
• 1:26:43
  Daniel that I want to do. Yeah, yeah, I watched Firefly.
• 1:26:46
  If you haven't seen Firefly Matrix, you know the first Matrix movie that that's
• 1:26:53
  a perfect movie. It's the first Matrix movie. Yes, then after that
• 1:26:57
  it just goes off the walls, Terminator, same thing. First tier amazing,
• 1:27:01
  and then it kind of falls apart. Twilight Zone first series is great,
• 1:27:06
  and then they made other series that weren't the greatest. So Doctor Who,
• 1:27:14
  I think the list is fair. I see Doctor Who at C I
• 1:27:18
  don't know Doctor Who could be be because the reboot of Doctor Who was so
• 1:27:21
  good. Yeah, cowboy be how many boots every time there's a new doctor
• 1:27:29
  it's a reboot? Yeah? Do they acknowledge the old doctor in the reboot?
• 1:27:33
  Yes, it's a complete turnover. Yeah, he's like he's an alien.
• 1:27:39
  He was supposed to have like so many lives, but he keeps on
• 1:27:42
  adding. So yeah, my knowledge of the of Doctor Who, like,
• 1:27:45
  you know, it's pop culture stuff. So I know what tartist is.
• 1:27:47
  I we I posted something in the group about what what kind of piece of
• 1:27:51
  equipment would you rather? Would you rather have? Like if you could pick
• 1:27:55
  one the transporter lightsabers, I believe there was a there was the tool that
• 1:28:01
  the doctor has. I don't know what the driver. Yeah, one more
• 1:28:05
  time. And the joke about the screwdriver is it's a sonic screwdriver, but
• 1:28:10
  it doesn't work on wood. Yeah, even though screwdriver okay doesn't want to
• 1:28:15
  work on wood. Yeah, it's a device. It fixes everything. Whatever
• 1:28:20
  they did, it fixed. That is that it's is that its weakness that
• 1:28:26
  that's just the kind of joke about it. Yeah, there's there's a few,
• 1:28:30
  like inside jokes. There's like that one. Uh, there's he definitively
• 1:28:33
  does not want to become a redhead. He's like constantly whenever he turns into
• 1:28:38
  a new doctor, he's like, oh thank god, I'm still not a
• 1:28:41
  ginger. Yeah wow yeah, and was it thirteen fourteen doctors right now?
• 1:28:47
  Something like that. It's all like the war doctors and then who know,
• 1:28:51
  like they're throw doctors. Well then they the timeless children ruin that show because
• 1:28:58
  they The closest thing I would equate it to that you might understand is the
• 1:29:01
  control. We're like, they do remember past things about themselves, but each
• 1:29:05
  time it's a new character. Okay, he dies, but he regenerates,
• 1:29:11
  but he So you could jump in at the beginning of each new Doctor or
• 1:29:15
  any other doctor it's sort of okay, Yeah, but I recommend jumping in
• 1:29:18
  around like the two thousand and four series and start from there. Yeah.
• 1:29:25
  The new ones like on Disney right now is a great launching point. That
• 1:29:29
  okay, but the other ones are better, Like I'd recommend the mid two
• 1:29:31
  thousands because if he's just trying to figure out what he's if he's going to
• 1:29:35
  like it or not. I think these are good starts. Yeah, okay,
• 1:29:39
  because they're like one, they're one shot comic books. You don't need
• 1:29:43
  to watch anything else. You can just enjoy them. If you like it,
• 1:29:45
  great, you can go back. But yeah, and Cowboy Bebop just
• 1:29:51
  the whole series is perfect. So yeah's great. I definitely rank that up
• 1:29:56
  there higher. Yeah, and what else do you have? You just oh,
• 1:30:02
  we had like Tron and well Tron, Yeah, Tron's just had two
• 1:30:08
  movies, uh and a cartoon and a cartoon. Yeah in two thousand and
• 1:30:14
  one of Space Odyssey. That one's it's a great movie. It's, you
• 1:30:17
  know, really awesome movie, but it's way out there. Yeah, like
• 1:30:23
  for some people, see it'd be hard to watch is that the one with
• 1:30:26
  the AI is that good morning? Well yeah, okay, and it's he
• 1:30:32
  has to deal with fighting that. But there's this weird This list is missing
• 1:30:38
  a lot of things, right, It's missing like Planet of the Apes.
• 1:30:42
  Oh holy cow? Yeah, uh X Files and other stuff like that,
• 1:30:48
  Like this is just what was on there, you know. But but and
• 1:30:53
  I thought I saw X Files when down in there. There seems like I
• 1:30:57
  saw a bunch of franchises that did we move? Oh? Yeah, there
• 1:31:01
  it is. Yeah, there is X Files. Okay, well we can
• 1:31:04
  rink it, we can put it on there. We can make more people
• 1:31:10
  out there an x Oh what were you thinking? Maybe see Tier the X
• 1:31:18
  Files? Uh yeah, yeah, I watched it a little bit when I
• 1:31:26
  was in high school. But yeah, in the movies, I saw the
• 1:31:30
  movie. Yeah, I saw the first movie. Yeah, okay, okay.
• 1:31:35
  In fact, I remember at the time when I saw it, the
• 1:31:39
  first X Files movie, I thought to myself, oh I'm an X File
• 1:31:43
  fan now. Yeah, but it never went anywhere, right, yeah,
• 1:31:46
  see tears. Fine, then there we go. So where would you where
• 1:31:50
  would you put Planet of the Apes? Where would I put it? Yeah?
• 1:31:56
  Oh? Man, I like the reboot movies. I like the first
• 1:32:00
  original one, then again it down from there. Yeah, probably see here
• 1:32:04
  the original reboot. Yeah, a lot of people forget. Do you remember
• 1:32:09
  the one with Mark Wahlberg from I think, oh that's right? Yeah,
• 1:32:13
  yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what's there was nothing wrong with that
• 1:32:16
  one. There's nothing wrong with that one except that they ended in a cliffhanger
• 1:32:19
  and right, and they never revisited. Yeah. I think they just spent
• 1:32:24
  too much money making it. Yeah, that's why it wasn't a good investment.
• 1:32:30
  I'd go be your seat here somewhere there point in the apes. Because
• 1:32:33
  the TV shows didn't help it. Oh that's right, Yeah, because they
• 1:32:38
  had a TV show in the seventies and then they had like, yeah,
• 1:32:42
  but the TV show from the seventies. They recut those into movies, yeah,
• 1:32:49
  and re aired them for years and years and years in the years.
• 1:32:53
  Remember back in the day before HBO and all that. Yeah, Saturday Afternoon
• 1:32:59
  was hey, what movie us on? Yeah? You tuned in to see
• 1:33:01
  what movie? And they showed Planet of the Apes movies, like, yeah,
• 1:33:05
  I watched all this. It was Planet of the Apes and Kung Fu
• 1:33:09
  movies are gonna in a couple of weeks. I'm gonna go see the classic
• 1:33:14
  original first movie in the theaters? Really cool. Yeah, A buddy of
• 1:33:17
  mine is renting out a movie theater for his fortieth day. Yeah, so
• 1:33:23
  we're gonna go watch it. Yeah, that's cool. How much does the
• 1:33:27
  cost run out a whole theater? I don't know. I didn't ask him.
• 1:33:30
  I know he's asking everyone to like pitch in ten bucks, so okay.
• 1:33:33
  Yeah, now now you've got to see him do that for Dune,
• 1:33:36
  so maybe I don't know. Are you gonna see Dune too this week?
• 1:33:46
  Yeah? Yeah, I'm gonna see it. Okay. Are you gonna get
• 1:33:49
  the pop I probably won't see the theater not no popcorn bucket, only for
• 1:33:56
  the popcorn bucket. I'm not gonna watch it's gonna get I was in the
• 1:33:59
  mall and I saw AMC almost bought a popcorn bucket. Yeah, you know,
• 1:34:03
  I probably would have killed me, Like, why'd you spend twenty four
• 1:34:05
  dollars on popcorn bucket? With popcorn or with no popcorn? So if Mike
• 1:34:11
  Medina is listening, that's that's one of the that's one of the things I'm
• 1:34:14
  gonna buy. Yeah. So the more toylist the more, uh, the
• 1:34:18
  more I look at this list, and the more we talk, you start
• 1:34:21
  thinking of things that aren't on this list. Yeah. Now, now we're
• 1:34:27
  often yeah, but that's I don't know how much of a march you turned
• 1:34:30
  forty six today or forty seven is? You know you would have that little
• 1:34:33
  thing on your hand that you got to run right now? Oh yeah,
• 1:34:36
  yeah, right now I'm running, trust me, I'm running. Yeah.
• 1:34:40
  But you know, actually, because we're all past thirty, so we would
• 1:34:44
  all be dead by now. We've been running for years. So I know
• 1:34:46
  what franchise am thinking of? What's that? Go ahead? Ghostbusters? Yes,
• 1:34:51
  and I agree that should be on this list. It should be near
• 1:34:55
  the clup. Ghostbusters is often lumped in not so much with horror movie but
• 1:35:00
  but as a ghost story. But but it's science fiction. They are using
• 1:35:08
  science to capture ghosts. These are three scientists. Where would you do this?
• 1:35:15
  Ghostbusters at on this list? Just because the gotta go hand and I
• 1:35:23
  mean it's almost got to go hand in hand with Back in the Future.
• 1:35:27
  I don't know, it kind of goes down because the solid solid third tier
• 1:35:32
  Battlestar, Galact, Good Firefly, I say, big tear for ghost Fusters,
• 1:35:36
  perfect, second, one, third ones like that lady, Ghostbusters was
• 1:35:46
  awful. Now, the cartoon was awesome, So I was going to say,
• 1:35:50
  so that cartoon ran. That cartoon ran for years and years and years.
• 1:35:56
  And one of the things that they're saying is this new movie that's coming
• 1:35:59
  out next month, the cartoon, it's gonna it's gonna be closer to the
• 1:36:03
  spirit of the cartoon. And the same guy that made the cartoon made Babylon
• 1:36:09
  five that you guys ranked at eat here here, that's right, because it's
• 1:36:13
  trap And that's what I'm saying, Like, no, no, no,
• 1:36:16
  yeah, but Rodenberry made in dramata, so yeah, no final conflce,
• 1:36:23
  final conflict. You guys ought to do like a Babylon five podcast, just
• 1:36:27
  like no, no, you don't watch my you don't listen to my Babylon
• 1:36:31
  five podcasts. I mean you guys all know about it, right, right,
• 1:36:39
  right? Okay, A Wolves talking about the popcorn buckets for Ghostbusters.
• 1:36:45
  The slimmer one looks cool. There's there's there's two of them, right,
• 1:36:49
  one of them is a trap. Yeah. I will probably pass on the
• 1:36:56
  buckets only because, uh, how Bro just did a crowdfunding has lab crowdfunding
• 1:37:03
  for or it's they called the two in the box combo and it's it's the
• 1:37:10
  same line as the the Proton pack that I bought last year, but it's
• 1:37:15
  it's a combination. You get a screen accurate trap with a holster and a
• 1:37:21
  p K meter with a wholester. So it's probably not going to arrive until
• 1:37:28
  the fall. I don't know if it's going to be in time for Halloween
• 1:37:30
  or if it's going to come out in November, like right after Halloween,
• 1:37:34
  but I will probably pass on the popcorn bucket shaped like a theater five years
• 1:37:45
  ago. You have to hold on, hold on, here's here's the thing.
• 1:37:54
  Going to the movies is the thing that I do with my son,
• 1:37:58
  and my son is a len and I think we're getting to the point where
• 1:38:02
  that's not cool for him anymore. And it and it makes it makes Yeah,
• 1:38:11
  it makes my heart hurt. It makes my heart hurt a little bit.
• 1:38:15
  But if I have to choose between what's more important to me wearing wearing
• 1:38:20
  this thing and having a good time or building these memories with my son,
• 1:38:26
  it's it's my son every time. So I have the rest of my life
• 1:38:30
  to wear that suit. Every Halloween until the day I'm in the ground.
• 1:38:34
  Yeah, when you see it the second time? Yeah? You second?
• 1:38:44
  I said, where would you see it the second time? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:38:49
  maybe we'll see. Maybe we'll see. I don't know. Depending on
• 1:38:55
  how good it is, he'll want to come with me the second time.
• 1:38:57
  Yeah. Okay, well then were one. If the movie is good,
• 1:39:04
  Well, that's the thing I'm making him is not It's not cool. It's
• 1:39:12
  not cool anything. Make it a twelve year old or an eleven year old
• 1:39:15
  wear something in the movie theater. Yeah, social media just to embarrass so
• 1:39:19
  oh yeah, my twelve year old love that. Yeah, we wanted to
• 1:39:27
  talk to me nothing, Just just say dude this week. That's that's willing
• 1:39:31
  suggestion. Hopefully it will go up higher than a d We're trying to We're
• 1:39:39
  trying to end the podcast so I can go inside and watch June. Stop
• 1:39:43
  stop talking. Were going an hour and yeah, yeah, I know,
• 1:39:49
  thanks, thanks chasmiss It was appreciate you stopping by. Yeah. Anything else
• 1:39:55
  you guys going to bring up before we go? Uh no? If we
• 1:39:58
  do another rewatch of Star Trek, I have a suggestion, Okay, I
• 1:40:03
  would like to cover the Star Trek Voyager episode time with Okay, this isn't
• 1:40:13
  wrong though, Like maybe maybe covering Dune for the next episode wouldn't be a
• 1:40:16
  bad idea. Okay, it's gonna be a big deal. I know you
• 1:40:20
  can't be here next week. I won't be here next week. I have
• 1:40:24
  a Patriot gard mission that I'm going to. Yeah, that's yes, Dan,
• 1:40:28
  would you be able to watch Dune in time? Be in the theaters
• 1:40:33
  if it's just you and me? Yeah, Dune too, yeah the second
• 1:40:44
  Yeah, maybe you got you're cutting out really bad. You guys aren't moving.
• 1:40:48
  Oh, we'll talk about it offline. We'll figure it offline. Okay,
• 1:40:55
  all right, okay, yeah, well, thanks everybody for listening.
• 1:40:58
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