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Gorgeous Sister Anna Schmidt Tortured Over Murder of Penn State Star · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Heartbreak. Tonight, a life cut short. An incredible Pin State
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Speaker 1: co ed just twenty two years old, gunned down outside
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Speaker 1: his home, just yards away from his parents' home by
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Speaker 1: ruthless phone pirates who shoot him dead and then run
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Speaker 1: with his phone over what a cell phone? Good evening,
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Speaker 1: I'mancy Grace, this is crime Stories. I want to thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Twenty two year old William Schmid is walking home after
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Speaker 2: watching the NBA Finals and spending the night out with friends. Then,
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Speaker 2: in an instant, everything changes. Surveillance cameras captured the young
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Speaker 2: man chasing two suspects who takes something from him, but
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Speaker 2: what begins as a desperate pursuit quickly turns deadly.
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Speaker 3: You're god.
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Speaker 1: That from our friends at w t X. If we
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Speaker 1: have the actual footage of Bill Schmidt getting gunned down,
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Speaker 1: industry bleeding out dead, we are choosing not to show
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Speaker 1: it on our own and at the request of Billy's family.
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Speaker 1: All of this over a cell phone. Billy Schmidt was
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Speaker 1: watching the NBA Finals that night with his friends. He
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Speaker 1: is a digital marketing major, a senior at Penn State,
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Speaker 1: just a few months to go before he got his degree,
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Speaker 1: making his whole family so proud. It was within his grasp.
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Speaker 1: On his way home from the NBA Finals, he's mining
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Speaker 1: his own business, walking along in a suburban neighborhood when
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Speaker 1: these two let me see the video where these two
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Speaker 1: little jackals banshees here they are. I've looked at the
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Speaker 1: video very carefully from many many angles, and we are
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Speaker 1: obtaining video from different cameras in the area of business
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Speaker 1: and residential, and they are casing the area, casing it, waiting,
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Speaker 1: keep showing it, please, waiting for a victim to emerge.
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Speaker 1: If you continue to watch, you will see them darting
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Speaker 1: in and out, hiding between cars, waiting on their prey.
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Speaker 1: Now keep watching. I'll tell you why we don't have
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Speaker 1: an ida yet because they're wearing masks and hoodies. But
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Speaker 1: i'd be looking at their hair, and I absolutely can
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Speaker 1: identify one particular hairstyle, and this hairstyle could have taken
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Speaker 1: up to hours to achieve in a salon. So it
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Speaker 1: looks to me like box braids coming down on one side.
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Speaker 1: This is just a tiny bit of the video we've obtained.
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Speaker 1: So they're walking around and around and around the area
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Speaker 1: until Billy Schmidt walks out leaves his friends, hugs everybody, goodbye.
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Speaker 1: He says, hey, guys, I love you. He's never seen
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Speaker 1: alive again. Over a cell phone, we're showing you a
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Speaker 1: very unique sweatshirt that this suspect, one who is not
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Speaker 1: the trigger man, was wearing. I think he made that himself.
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Speaker 1: That said, we got a lot to talk about tonight,
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Speaker 1: because these two guys are still walking free. And I
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Speaker 1: guarantee you based on their gate, the way they carry themselves,
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Speaker 1: I think their juveniles definitely under twenty five, maybe younger,
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Speaker 1: and I think they live in the area or they
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Speaker 1: frequent the area. But the way they were darting in
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Speaker 1: and out of side streets, that said, let me go
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Speaker 1: to our panel of experts joining us tonight. Let me
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Speaker 1: first go out to Dave Matt Crime Story's investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: joining us. What have you learned? What happened to Billy?
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Speaker 1: This closed to graduation?
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Speaker 3: Oh, Nancy? Billy was set to graduate this December. He
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Speaker 3: was so excited about this that it just boggles the mind.
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Speaker 3: He was majoring in Digital journalism and media through Penn State.
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Speaker 3: Now all he was doing. Nancy was walking home after
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Speaker 3: spending his evening with friends watching the NBA Finals minding
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Speaker 3: his own business. He's walking home and he's close, he's
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Speaker 3: within a block of his home, Nancy, when his cell
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Speaker 3: phone is stolen from him by suspects one and two.
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Speaker 3: As you mentioned, the video that we have shows everything.
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Speaker 3: It shows him, shows Billy going after the suspects, giving
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Speaker 3: my phone back, giving my phone back, and for that
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Speaker 3: he gets shot in the chest.
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Speaker 1: Hey, look, Dave Matc. Look Look look, look, look, look.
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Speaker 1: Suspect one is the taller guy in the gray T shirt.
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Speaker 1: There's a skull and crossbones. Is I recall? There three
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Speaker 1: in all, and they're wearing halos. Suspect two is the
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Speaker 1: trigger person. Why don't we have them in custody? That said,
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Speaker 1: what became of the cell phone? Dave mac It was.
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Speaker 3: It left in the street in the rain and recovered.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hey, I've got a little a few facts to
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Speaker 1: add to that. To Joseph Jackalone joining us former NYPD sergeant.
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Speaker 1: He is the author of the Cold Case handbook This
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Speaker 1: isn't cold yet, okay, Joe, and I don't want it
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Speaker 1: to go cold. He's also author of the Criminal Investigative Function,
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Speaker 1: A Guy for New Investigators in the fourth edition, which
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Speaker 1: means a lot of people are reading it. He's the
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Speaker 1: star of true crime with the serge, and you can
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Speaker 1: find him at Joseph jackelone g I A C A
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Speaker 1: L O n E but pronounced jack Alone Joseph jackalone
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Speaker 1: dot com. Joe, thank you for being with us tonight. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me see the video because I want the viewers
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Speaker 1: to see this. May they they may recognize anything. They
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Speaker 1: might recognize that sweatshirt, They may recognize their gate. You know,
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Speaker 1: I had a serial killer first identified by his unusual
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Speaker 1: gate dragged one leg just a little bit. M h
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Speaker 1: that said keep looking the braids. Of course, maybe he
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Speaker 1: did them himself. But if he did that at a salon,
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Speaker 1: if it's got a unique pattern on the top of
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Speaker 1: his head, if he did it at a salon, that
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Speaker 1: could have taken hour. Somebody knows who these people are, Joe,
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Speaker 1: I've got him on video. They touched the cell phone
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Speaker 1: before as they ran, they threw it away and it
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Speaker 1: landed under a car. It was recovered by none other
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Speaker 1: than Billy's own father, who went looking for it found
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Speaker 1: it under a car. That was a little miracle God
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Speaker 1: turned for me. It wasn't run over in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the street. It was under a car. Why don't
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Speaker 1: we have these guys Jackeline.
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Speaker 4: Well, I would say that they're juveniles and they probably
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Speaker 4: haven't been arrested yet and their fingerprints aren't in the system.
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Speaker 4: We also have their shirts. They remove them as part
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Speaker 4: of you know, to be able to blend back into
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Speaker 4: the crowd. So to me, that means that these guys
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Speaker 4: have done this before. And you can even see the
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Speaker 4: guy in the in the grey sweatshirt. He knows where
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Speaker 4: the cameras are. A couple of times he tucks down,
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Speaker 4: he pulls this thing down. He knows where the cameras
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Speaker 4: are coming up. So this is probably part of a patent.
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be shocked about additional robberies in and around
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Speaker 4: the area based on the the mo of these two guys.
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Speaker 4: And you know once they're going to need They're don't
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Speaker 4: to need help from the public, They're going to need
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Speaker 4: that tip.
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Speaker 5: And you know this is the Whey Thrust stoppers.
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Speaker 1: Just remember I'm on your side here, I'm on your side.
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Speaker 1: But that's not what I ask you. How do we
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Speaker 1: catch these guys? You start off by telling me you
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Speaker 1: think they're juveniles as well, that doesn't mean they don't
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Speaker 1: have a record. If they're juveniles, I guarantee you they've
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Speaker 1: got a GV record. I just can't get my hands
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Speaker 1: on it. And now the can law enforcement. I've been
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Speaker 1: in the middle of a murder trial before, after I've
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Speaker 1: gone to GV begging, beg for a record to create
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Speaker 1: work up similar transactions in a murder case and every
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Speaker 1: other kind of case. They won't hand those over. You've
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Speaker 1: got to get a judge's order to get into juvenile records.
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you they're there. And juveniles do give fingerprints,
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Speaker 1: but they're not put in the federal or the state
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Speaker 1: database because they're juveniles. They're protected. But we've got their
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Speaker 1: gay we've got their hair, we've got their clothing, very
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Speaker 1: unique clothing. We may have their fingerprints on the phone
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Speaker 1: on Billy's phone that ended up during underneath a car.
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Speaker 1: And I can't even imagine what the dad goes through
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Speaker 1: getting up under a car. His son is dead, and
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Speaker 1: there he is out in the straight industry on the
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Speaker 1: wet pavement it rained, looking for his baby's cell phone,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and he finds it. The dad finds it
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Speaker 1: and then crawls under a car on the pavement and
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Speaker 1: gets that cell phone. Do you know how valuable that
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Speaker 1: piece of that piece of evidence is? So Jack alone,
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Speaker 1: why don't we have him? You want to tell me
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Speaker 1: nobody in the city of Philadelphia knows who these two are.
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Speaker 4: They do, but they need to have the outreach into
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Speaker 4: the public. We need to see the council people come
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Speaker 4: out there and say, hey, we need the public's help
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Speaker 4: on this. I mean, listen, Nancy, you know these cases
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Speaker 4: are sold by public input all the time, and that's
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Speaker 4: where Crime Stoppers comes into play. There are these people
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Speaker 4: definitely know who these kids are. I mean, is it
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Speaker 4: part of a gang? Is it part of all these
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Speaker 4: different aspects that they have to look at? And unfortunately
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Speaker 4: to need that phone.
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Speaker 6: Call, were not.
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Speaker 7: Refuse?
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Speaker 6: Still a root, it's going to be we have one
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Speaker 6: con then turns around and shot once in the chest,
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Speaker 6: and you know the sure was now white hood, the
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Speaker 6: black pants, black sneakers one to be a black melt
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Speaker 6: sent bill five eighth to nine like her red hands,
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Speaker 6: black sneakers was lastening.
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Speaker 5: Westbound on surfer that's to be on foot.
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Speaker 1: We got that was first from the Philly PD. It
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Speaker 1: was also on Broadcastify and thank you control Ron for
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Speaker 1: showing that other video. These two knew what they were doing. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Billy Schmidt is dead. Billy Schmidt was scrubbed in sunshine.
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Speaker 1: That far away from graduating with a degree. His dream
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Speaker 1: was to work in digital work with the Philadelphia Eagles.
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Speaker 1: He was so close. This is one of the apples
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Speaker 1: of his parent's eye. I mean, all American walking home
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Speaker 1: to his parents' home and out of the blue, two
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Speaker 1: jackals attack him for a sell phone. Now, I said,
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Speaker 1: I was glad the control room played the shot of
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Speaker 1: them with now white T shirts on or T shirts.
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Speaker 1: Let's see that again, because they know enough to discard
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Speaker 1: what they're wearing. And here they go. You think I
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Speaker 1: can't recognize you by your gate And look at that
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Speaker 1: reflector on the ankle, the right ankle leg of the
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Speaker 1: right perp. See him, The taller one is suspect to
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Speaker 1: the shorter one, the trigger person is suspect one. They're
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Speaker 1: still wearing masks. Hey, COVID is over God willing. They're
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Speaker 1: wearing masks for a reason. They're hiding for a reason.
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Speaker 1: They're darting in between cars for a reason. This didn't
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Speaker 1: just happen. This is premeditated murder and let me remind you,
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Speaker 1: Matthew and Geno veteran trial attorney defense attorney. Out of
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Speaker 1: this jurisdiction, there is a death penalty. They can't get
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Speaker 1: it if they're under eighteen, according to our US Supreme Court. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm fine with that, but but they can be tried
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Speaker 1: for murder. They can be tried for murder, and this
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Speaker 1: is murder. They did not know Billy Schmidt. They had
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Speaker 1: no argument with Schmidt. Schmidt was with his friends watching
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Speaker 1: the NBA Finals up until he stepped out of that bar.
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Speaker 1: No beef, no problem, no prior grudge, nothing. They stalk him,
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Speaker 1: they catch him, they kill him over a cell phone.
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Speaker 1: Tell me one way, that is not murder.
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Speaker 8: One yeah, So I guess the issue here is, you
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Speaker 8: know what level of homicide this might be? I mean,
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Speaker 8: clearly we see that the defendants in this case, or
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Speaker 8: the accused suspects ran away and the victim ran after them.
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Speaker 8: You know that certainly he wants his phone back. But
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Speaker 8: you know, could this have been avoided if he said, let.
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Speaker 1: Put him up? Are you suggesting with a straight face
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Speaker 1: that Schmidt Billy Schmidt, a twenty two year old Penn
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Speaker 1: State senior, somehow turned into the aggressor because he chased
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Speaker 1: them to get his cell phone. Because I think that's
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Speaker 1: where you're headed. That's a simple yes, no, yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: all right. We may not like what man Gino is saying,
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Speaker 1: but that's the kind of argument that a defense will
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Speaker 1: make if and when this goes to trial, and if
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Speaker 1: they get one your or that buys into That's how
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Speaker 1: Matthew Mangino wins so many cases. Before he was a
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Speaker 1: defense became a defense attorney, he was a veteran prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: He's also the author of The Executioner's Toll. Matthew, Ma
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Speaker 1: and Gina. I'm going to give you a few moments
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Speaker 1: to think about what you just said, and in the
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Speaker 1: meantime to doctor Jerlyn Utter, out of this jurisdiction, clinical
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Speaker 1: psychologist specializing in evaluations and high risk assessments in the
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Speaker 1: criminal justice system, author of Mainlining Philly, author of After Shock,
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Speaker 1: and producer of Utter Nonsense documentary about addiction, Doctor jerreln Utter,
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Speaker 1: I hope you're not going to try and argue some
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Speaker 1: addiction defense to me. But my first question to you
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Speaker 1: is all of this over a cell phone a cell phone,
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Speaker 1: and I can tell these two are cell phone pirates.
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Speaker 1: This is not the first time they've done that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what can you get from as for you cell phone?
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Speaker 1: Thirty five dollars max somewhere?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, Nancy. When I heard about this case,
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Speaker 9: it broke my heart. But unfortunately, I've been seeing it
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Speaker 9: a lot lately, especially in juvenile court, with a lot
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Speaker 9: of the evaluations that I've been conducting.
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Speaker 10: This is commonplace. We're seeing this a lot.
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Speaker 9: And I know when you look at it, you're like, oh,
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Speaker 9: it's a cell phone, it's worth thirty five bucks.
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Speaker 10: But that's not what we're talking about here.
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Speaker 9: What we're talking about, in my opinion, is gang related
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Speaker 9: activity and gang related violence amongst juveniles.
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Speaker 10: The cell phone is.
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Speaker 9: Just probably what they're tasks to do or something that
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Speaker 9: they have going on amongst themselves. So what we're looking
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Speaker 9: at is gang violence. We're looking at, in my opinion,
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Speaker 9: juveniles I have access to firearms, and the biggest thing
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Speaker 9: that we're looking at is this normalized level of violence.
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Speaker 9: It is very common in Philadelphia and the surrounding areas
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Speaker 9: for kids to carry firearms, to have guns on them, to.
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Speaker 10: Flex those guns.
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Speaker 9: I don't think we fully appreciate or understand the level
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Speaker 9: of or the lack of understanding that these kids have
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Speaker 9: when they're cairying guns and they're not afraid to use them.
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Speaker 10: I mean instead of just you.
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Speaker 9: Know, fighting with your hands or whatever it was, that's
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Speaker 9: not the option. The first thing they do is they
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Speaker 9: pull out a gun and they shoot, and unfortunately, Billy
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Speaker 9: was somebody that was a victim of this violence. Another
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Speaker 9: thing that I wanted to bring up, Nancy, when you
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Speaker 9: were showing that sweatshirt, there was a name at the
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Speaker 9: bottom of the sweatshirt. I wonder if that is somehow
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Speaker 9: a gang identifier, or if it's the kid who is
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Speaker 9: wearing it their social media handle. I think that's something
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Speaker 9: that the public should really pay attention to because I
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Speaker 9: think that that's a clue.
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Speaker 1: Keep up that shirt place, keep the shirt up place.
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Speaker 1: I also wonder, doctor jeralend Utter about the halos that
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Speaker 1: are put over the three skulls. I've seen the skulls everywhere,
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Speaker 1: but with a halo over them. I wonder what that means.
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Speaker 1: Has got to mean something.
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Speaker 9: I think it's very telling. And the other thing is there,
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Speaker 9: do I believe juveniles just by you know, the way
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Speaker 9: that they're walking, the way they're carrying themselves. They work
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Speaker 9: with juveniles on a regular basis. The thing that's scary
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Speaker 9: about this is, let's say, for example, the juvenile is
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Speaker 9: fifteen years old. Sixteen years old, the goal would be
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Speaker 9: to try the juvenile who killed Billy as an adult.
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Speaker 9: And then what the court then has to figure out
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Speaker 9: is if the kid's sixteen years old, if five years,
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Speaker 9: because the juvenile court can monitor a kid up until
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Speaker 9: the age of twenty one, is enough to rehabilitate them
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Speaker 9: for the crime that they commit.
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Speaker 1: It Okay, you know I'm not ready to take in rehabilitation.
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Speaker 1: My recommendation for the court since they're you cannot get
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Speaker 1: the death penalty for a juvenile, and I agree with
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Speaker 1: that with the US Supreme Court. My recommendation in case
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Speaker 1: is like this, when I would try a case or
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Speaker 1: take a play on a case, would be life behind bars.
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Speaker 1: They may stay in juvenile which they would under the
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Speaker 1: law until they are twenty to twenty one. Then they
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Speaker 1: go into the adult system. Look, I don't want to
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Speaker 1: see a Jua in the adult system. I don't like
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Speaker 1: seeing a young man in the adult system with wisened,
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Speaker 1: hardened criminals. But more important than that, I have to
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Speaker 1: side with the crime victim. My point is all of
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Speaker 1: this over a cell phone. I'm being joined now by
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Speaker 1: Anna Schmidt. This is Billy's sister and mister Bill Schmidt,
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Speaker 1: this is Billy's father. To Anna and mister Schmidt, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us tonight.
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Speaker 7: You're well.
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Speaker 10: Thank you for having us.
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Speaker 1: Mister Schmidt. I thought about you so much this last
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Speaker 1: Sunday and I was wondering how you got through that day.
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Speaker 1: How did you get through Father's Day?
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Speaker 5: Well, Sunday was brought to get through. But one thing
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Speaker 5: I didn't want to say. Uh uh. He wasn't killed
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Speaker 5: over a cell phone. They were looking at them. They
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Speaker 5: were looking to go somebody in advance. The cell phone
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Speaker 5: had nothing to do with it. They were just trying
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Speaker 5: to track someone down.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? Because they did take
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Speaker 1: a cell phone, But what do you mean they were
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Speaker 1: trying to track someone down?
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Speaker 5: Christ They were looking for someone. They have video. They
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Speaker 5: were looking for someone for uh like an over a
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Speaker 5: half hour before them. Was attacked, someone before him, but
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Speaker 5: they took they to the film to beat him to
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Speaker 5: run across the tree. They were looking to shoot somebody.
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Speaker 5: So it's not about the cell phone.
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Speaker 1: Mister Schmidt, that makes perfect sense because at all they
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Speaker 1: went through. Then they threw away the cell phone.
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Speaker 5: They threw the phone to get him to run across
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Speaker 5: the street. It wasn't about the zumphone was trying. They
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Speaker 5: were just trying to kill somebody.
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Speaker 1: Why they didn't even know Billy.
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Speaker 10: I don't know why I every day.
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Speaker 1: Mister Schmid. You know, there was a time after my
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Speaker 1: fiancee was murdered, I wondered, but it was very brief.
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Speaker 1: Why why for nothing? They didn't even know each other?
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Speaker 1: And it was very quickly after that I realized for me,
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Speaker 1: why didn't even matter because I couldn't change anything. Well,
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Speaker 1: I still don't understand. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm
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Speaker 1: saying you're right because you know more about the case
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Speaker 1: than any of us. But Anna, why would they bait
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Speaker 1: your brother to run across the street just to kill
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Speaker 1: him and then through I mean why?
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Speaker 10: I just think that because they're animals.
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Speaker 7: They just saw that he was walking home alone from
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Speaker 7: the bar, so.
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Speaker 10: They took advantage of him.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I don't understand why they would take away
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Speaker 7: somebody who has such a great future ahead and loved
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Speaker 7: by so much family, and friends, and as we see
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Speaker 7: like through the community as well. I mean, he was
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Speaker 7: always active and doing so much with his friends and family.
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Speaker 7: So I think they just took advantage and saw an
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Speaker 7: opportunity where he was vulnerable.
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Speaker 1: Mister Schmidt, what do you recall of that night?
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Speaker 5: Well, I'm upsetting the fact that that I saw the
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Speaker 5: police sirens and everything go by. Uh answer, it occurred.
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Speaker 5: I didn't go out because lights go by every night.
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Speaker 5: I wish I could have, you know, I would have
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Speaker 5: got up and went outside. The last thing I remember is,
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Speaker 5: you know him tell me invited me to go with him,
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Speaker 5: and you know, I said, just go with your friends earlier,
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Speaker 5: that was around nine.
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Speaker 1: He invited you to go out with him to see
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Speaker 1: the NBA final.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, mister Schmidt.
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Speaker 1: Do you ever think what could I have done to
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Speaker 1: stop this?
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Speaker 5: Yeah? Every day I do. I wish I would have
24:04
Speaker 5: changed my mind.
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Speaker 1: And when Anna, what do you recall him that night?
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Speaker 7: I was actually in Boston with my boyfriend that weekend.
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Speaker 7: We left that Friday morning, and I didn't find out
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Speaker 7: till Saturday morning when I woke up to a phone
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Speaker 7: calls and text.
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Speaker 10: To call them back.
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Speaker 7: And I mean, just standing with feel real, Like when
24:34
Speaker 7: they said Billy, I just said who.
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Speaker 10: Like Billy who?
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Speaker 7: Because I don't like my first thought would not have
24:42
Speaker 7: been my brother. He's just such like a harmless person
24:49
Speaker 7: and like just so genuine and nice and kind. So
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Speaker 7: that's why hearing something like that over the phone it
24:58
Speaker 7: was hard to believe, especially being so far away.
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Speaker 10: I had to come home as soon as I could.
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Speaker 1: How is the rest of your family holding up? Anna?
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Speaker 10: I guess it's just day by day.
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Speaker 7: It's hard, you know, everywhere we go, like all our
25:21
Speaker 7: family members that we see.
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Speaker 10: You know, almost every day.
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Speaker 7: I mean, it's just sad because every time we spend
25:30
Speaker 7: time with family, he should be there. So it's almost
25:34
Speaker 7: like weird that he's not with us. I guess still
25:39
Speaker 7: feel him in the room and we're me and him
25:47
Speaker 7: were like on one of our younger cousins, so.
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Speaker 10: The toys like just been me and him, and I
25:57
Speaker 10: always wish I could just go into the other room
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Speaker 10: talk to him. Is can anymore?
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Speaker 7: So?
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Speaker 10: For my grandparents too, it's hard.
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Speaker 1: Was it just you and Billy? Is that your only sibling?
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Speaker 10: Yeah?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, we're eighteen or six, eighteen eighteen months apart, so
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Speaker 7: we're pretty close. We're only a grade level apart in school.
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Speaker 1: Anna, you remind me so much of My daughter and
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Speaker 1: my son are twins, and in school, all the teachers
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Speaker 1: said you have to separate them, and my daughter especially
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Speaker 1: would cry that she did not want to be apart
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Speaker 1: from John David all the way back to pre pre
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Speaker 1: pre k. And they stayed together through school the whole way.
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Speaker 1: They just graduated high school and now they're going to
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Speaker 1: be separated. And I hear what you're saying is just
27:05
Speaker 1: there's a bond that can never be broken between two siblings,
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Speaker 1: just the two of you. When you say you feel
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Speaker 1: him in the room, what do you mean by that?
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Speaker 7: Like when we're all around family, like, it doesn't really
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Speaker 7: hit me as much because I feel like he's just
27:27
Speaker 7: like in the other.
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Speaker 10: Room talking to my grandparents or something.
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Speaker 7: Okay, every time when we all hang out, it almost
27:34
Speaker 7: feels like he is there with us, and it's just
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Speaker 7: like really hard, kind of like them and everyone leaves.
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Speaker 1: Mister Schmidt, Bill Schmidt, his son is named after him,
27:49
Speaker 1: Billy Schmidt. Mister Schmidt, how did you come upon your
27:56
Speaker 1: son's phone? Which could be an extremely important piece of evage.
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Speaker 1: That's if there are fingerprints on it because they don't
28:02
Speaker 1: appear to be wearing gloves.
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Speaker 7: Uh.
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Speaker 5: They told me it happened on the nineteen hundred buck
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Speaker 5: of Durfer. I thought it was nineteenth in Durfer. I
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Speaker 5: didn't really believe it at first. I went up and
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Speaker 5: I didn't see crime seem deep. I just tried dialing
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Speaker 5: the number and looking at the phone, and I found
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Speaker 5: that it was in between Darfer and Wolf, like halfway
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Speaker 5: up the block. So sure before twenty the wolf. So
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Speaker 5: evidently they they threw picked it up, and then they
28:39
Speaker 5: went and did it again. Under under another part.
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Speaker 1: Have police told you anything about the possibility of prints.
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Speaker 5: There? There there's a few prints on the phone. There's
28:55
Speaker 5: looking into that right now as far as I'm now.
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Speaker 1: So some times it can be very difficult if they're
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Speaker 1: partial prints, but it can be done. I've got no
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Speaker 1: doubt in my mind that these two have committed crimes before,
29:10
Speaker 1: just by their demeanor. I can't explain it to Joe
29:14
Speaker 1: Jack alone joining us former NYPD sergeant and author, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's something you can't explain totally. But when you have
29:26
Speaker 1: tried as many cases as I've tried, or investigated as
29:29
Speaker 1: many cases as you and I literally tens of thousands
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Speaker 1: of cases, you get a feel for the crime. This
29:36
Speaker 1: was definitely not the first time these two had committed
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Speaker 1: a crime. They knew what they were doing. They lay
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Speaker 1: in wait, they waited, they searched for a victim, They
29:46
Speaker 1: found a victim. And I believe what mister Schmidt is saying,
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Speaker 1: I don't know that it was ever about the cell phone.
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Speaker 1: They lured him and shot him. They didn't even know.
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is this is not their first crime.
30:05
Speaker 1: So my point is, even if they're juveniles, what about
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Speaker 1: getting those prints? Aren't juveniles prints in a database? And
30:13
Speaker 1: what can you tell me about ballistics? Don't you think
30:17
Speaker 1: this bullet or Shiel casing has been entered into nibbing
30:21
Speaker 1: the National Ballistics Database.
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Speaker 4: The problem that you're dealing with here is you have
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Speaker 4: a district attorney who has been very friendly to criminals,
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Speaker 4: specifically juveniles, and I don't know if you're going to
30:33
Speaker 4: be able to get access to those cases. So the
30:35
Speaker 4: cops really have there behind the eight ball in certain
30:38
Speaker 4: aspects of some of the tools that they should have.
30:40
Speaker 4: I think there are other video surveillance of these guys.
30:44
Speaker 4: I'm still going to call on the public to be
30:46
Speaker 4: able to provide.
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Speaker 1: The information to find these guys.
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Speaker 4: But you know, Nancy, as you know these guns, they
30:52
Speaker 4: refer to them as community guns. They just get passed around.
30:55
Speaker 4: That gun ended up in the hands of another member.
30:57
Speaker 4: If this is a gang and they just keep on
30:59
Speaker 4: passing it, that's part of the problem. So even if
31:02
Speaker 4: they get a hit in I've been the fact that
31:06
Speaker 4: if you find the gun, even that person that possessing
31:08
Speaker 4: it is not going to be charged with that murder
31:11
Speaker 4: unless they have some other corroborating evidence.
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Speaker 1: We do know a single spent shellcasing was found. You
31:21
Speaker 1: can still get evidence off of shell casing even though
31:24
Speaker 1: it's not the bullet. I don't believe this is an
31:27
Speaker 1: isolated incident. What is concerning me the most, not from
31:32
Speaker 1: an evidentiary point at all. To Dr Thomas Coin joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Tallahassee Esteemed Medical Examiner. They're in District eight,
31:44
Speaker 1: State of Florida. Toxicologists pathologist neuropathologist. Doctor Coin tell me
31:50
Speaker 1: about Billy's injury because he did not die instantly.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, gunshot wanted the chest. I'm sure you know
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Speaker 11: we're all aware. The chest has a number of vital organs.
32:03
Speaker 11: So the heart's on our left side, the lungs on
32:05
Speaker 11: the right and left, and the lungs have numerous arteries,
32:08
Speaker 11: the aorta, which is the main artery that comes off
32:10
Speaker 11: of our chest and travels down through our chest. So
32:13
Speaker 11: if a bullet strikes any one of those structures, you
32:16
Speaker 11: will have a rapid and high volume of blood loss,
32:19
Speaker 11: and so you could probably bleed out into your chest
32:22
Speaker 11: cavity enough blood buying to lose consciousness within thirty seconds,
32:26
Speaker 11: and you can potentially have your heart stop or stop
32:29
Speaker 11: breathing within a minute. But the whole time you're conscious,
32:32
Speaker 11: you know it's not an injury to the head. And
32:35
Speaker 11: so unfortunately, Billy would have been consciously aware of the
32:38
Speaker 11: fact that he was injured. And the other thing is
32:41
Speaker 11: that right in our chest is our spine, so your
32:43
Speaker 11: spinal cord is there as well, So if the ball
32:46
Speaker 11: happens to hit the spine or pass to the spinal cord,
32:48
Speaker 11: the person may become paralyzed from the chest down. So
32:51
Speaker 11: he may have dropped immediately to the ground and have
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Speaker 11: been laying there while he was bleeding into his chest cavity's.
32:59
Speaker 1: Port the braids. Of course, we all know there are
33:03
Speaker 1: multiple types of braids. You got corn rows, you got
33:05
Speaker 1: corn rows with a fade, you got box braids. They're
33:09
Speaker 1: individual braids that hang free. You got two strand twist,
33:12
Speaker 1: that's a DIY, you got freestyle, so many more. Why
33:16
Speaker 1: do I care? Because if the braids which look like
33:19
Speaker 1: to be box braids, were done in a salon, someone
33:24
Speaker 1: will recognize him. I guarantee you tonight that somebody has
33:29
Speaker 1: shaved their head or they're wearing a head covering, they're
33:32
Speaker 1: wearing a d rag tonight. I guarantee you that question
33:37
Speaker 1: back to mister Schmidt, Bill Schmidt joining us. Were the
33:42
Speaker 1: sweatshirts recovered? Mister Schmidt, as short.
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Speaker 5: As I know, they were on the twenty seven hundred
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Speaker 5: BLOCKO but.
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Speaker 1: Cleland Streep because that is going to be full of DNA,
33:58
Speaker 1: full of DNA. They're suspect one. Suspect one is not
34:04
Speaker 1: the shooter. The police have named suspect two to be
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Speaker 1: the shooter. Anna Schmidt, what is your message tonight?
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Speaker 10: Someone knows who they are and they're seeing the news
34:27
Speaker 10: and not say anything. So I just like like.
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Speaker 12: They took away somebody who was so loved and had
34:35
Speaker 12: such a bright future. And I want somebody to speak
34:41
Speaker 12: up because what they did was inhumane and we deserve
34:48
Speaker 12: the piece of knowing that these animals are captured.
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Speaker 7: So I just urged that there is that twenty thousand
34:58
Speaker 7: dollars reward for anyone who knows any information. And and
35:08
Speaker 7: I miss him. We miss him so much, and he
35:11
Speaker 7: was so loved.
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Speaker 1: Anna. Do you ever wake up in the morning and
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Speaker 1: just for a few seconds even think everything is normal, and.
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Speaker 10: Then you remember, yeah, every day and it just feels
35:30
Speaker 10: like it's not real yet.
35:36
Speaker 7: I still feel like sometimes she's here, and then the
35:40
Speaker 7: next I could hear a song or you know, see
35:43
Speaker 7: something that reminds me of him, and remember that I
35:46
Speaker 7: will be able to.
35:48
Speaker 10: Make any more memories with him.
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Speaker 1: What makes you think of him? What song? What makes
35:55
Speaker 1: you remember him?
35:56
Speaker 7: Oh? Anything by Brian or Billy Joel.
36:02
Speaker 10: And he loved he likes Steely Dan.
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Speaker 7: He really did like love music so and we shared
36:10
Speaker 7: a lot of that same music. So it's hard like
36:13
Speaker 7: listening to songs because now like every song reminds me
36:19
Speaker 7: of him.
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Speaker 10: An he think Philly sports related.
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Speaker 7: He was, you know, the smartest person on stats and
36:26
Speaker 7: everything like that. And you know, it's like every for
36:33
Speaker 7: us like Philly sports is everywhere and it all reminds
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Speaker 7: me of him.
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Speaker 1: What did he want to do with the Eagles? Anna?
36:44
Speaker 7: He he wanted either he was studying like communications, so
36:51
Speaker 7: something either along the lines in marketing or.
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Speaker 10: Like broadcasting. I actually helped him make his LinkedIn.
37:02
Speaker 7: So I can help him, like start applying to jobs
37:04
Speaker 7: for when he graduated.
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Speaker 1: We're looking at photos of him right now, and his eyes,
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Speaker 1: those big beautiful eyes when they look at the camera,
37:16
Speaker 1: it just looks like he's just so pure, Mister Schmidt.
37:23
Speaker 1: Does it make you wonder like I have so many times?
37:28
Speaker 1: Why wonderful, good people with pure hearts? Why do they
37:37
Speaker 1: end up being crime victims? Why can't the horrible people
37:43
Speaker 1: go away instead of somebody like Billy.
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Speaker 5: I don't have any words. Should that he's the last
37:55
Speaker 5: first in world? I would think this should happen to
37:59
Speaker 5: Like he was just a nice person, you know, he
38:05
Speaker 5: never I never had a argue with him anything in
38:08
Speaker 5: my whole life. He was just a nice kid, and
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Speaker 5: he showed it not to hurt us.
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Speaker 1: Mister Schmidt. Will you tell me a story about him, anything,
38:20
Speaker 1: something about him growing up? Something he said like I
38:24
Speaker 1: remember my dad, my dad was a great dancer. He
38:28
Speaker 1: put us through school. He and my mom working for
38:30
Speaker 1: the Norfolk Southern Railroad every day, sometimes a swing shift.
38:34
Speaker 1: And I remember he came home so tired, and we
38:38
Speaker 1: didn't have any furniture in the living room because we
38:40
Speaker 1: couldn't afford any at all, and he would turn on
38:44
Speaker 1: the stereo and I would stand on his feet and
38:49
Speaker 1: he taught me to dance. And we had plenty of
38:52
Speaker 1: room because we didn't have any furniture. Right. So that's
38:55
Speaker 1: one of my memories of my dad. Can you tell
38:58
Speaker 1: me something about Billy anything, h.
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Speaker 7: Uh? I.
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Speaker 5: I just remember when he was young in baseball on
39:07
Speaker 5: my used to coach him for a few years, and uh,
39:11
Speaker 5: we have a picture and it's just him. He went
39:15
Speaker 5: to the last Phillies team with Ryan Howard when they
39:17
Speaker 5: won the won the National League East Tittle and uh,
39:23
Speaker 5: he got a hundred pence autograph and I have him
39:26
Speaker 5: sit and dugout of the Philly's ug out and it
39:32
Speaker 5: was just a great moment picture we have. You know,
39:35
Speaker 5: had that game. But he was just so low key,
39:40
Speaker 5: h and he just he gave anything, anything he wanted.
39:46
Speaker 1: And I don't want to keep you all too late
39:48
Speaker 1: after having to relive all this, But could you just
39:52
Speaker 1: give me a story about Billy.
39:55
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is like one of my favorite recent ones.
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Speaker 10: Back in back in April, me and him ran a
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Speaker 10: ten at ten k.
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Speaker 7: In Philly together and I'm so bad at running and
40:14
Speaker 7: we kind of just did it.
40:15
Speaker 10: To like do it together. And I was literally so slow,
40:21
Speaker 10: like my pace I was.
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Speaker 13: We were lurging, lapped around by the people doing the
40:24
Speaker 13: fifteen k, and like instead of like just running and
40:30
Speaker 13: you know, for him to hit a pr anything like that,
40:32
Speaker 13: he just ran next to me the whole time, and
40:34
Speaker 13: like every time I like took a break, he stopped
40:37
Speaker 13: with me. And you know, like even throughout the whole thing,
40:45
Speaker 13: he was just like telling me like how good I'm
40:47
Speaker 13: doing and then my breathing is good and I'm having
40:51
Speaker 13: a good pace and he was just so supportive and kind.
40:58
Speaker 7: And he did all that just so we can run
40:59
Speaker 7: through to finish line together. And I have the video
41:02
Speaker 7: and it really is like want to wait, Yeah, it's
41:06
Speaker 7: from that day, and it really is one of way
41:09
Speaker 7: favorite memories with him.
41:13
Speaker 1: You know Anna and Bill I. I hear the twins
41:18
Speaker 1: and they're about to go away to school to college
41:21
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be separated for the first time, and
41:25
Speaker 1: they're already talking about, Hey, at Thanksgiving, we're gonna we're
41:28
Speaker 1: gonna we're kinda at Christmas, we're gonna have gonna kind
41:31
Speaker 1: of gonna gonna And you never think that that's not
41:36
Speaker 1: gonna happen. You never think I'm not gonna be with them,
41:44
Speaker 1: And it's very hard to take in Anna. I mean,
41:48
Speaker 1: I know you never thought that this summer you wouldn't
41:53
Speaker 1: have them.
41:55
Speaker 10: Yeah.
41:59
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's hard because we've made like so many plans
42:03
Speaker 7: this summer to do like another race and this time
42:09
Speaker 7: for me to prepare for it, and.
42:13
Speaker 10: Like plans for.
42:14
Speaker 7: His birthday down the shore, his birthdays in August, so
42:19
Speaker 7: you know, just.
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Speaker 10: It's hard because we had so much to look forward to.
42:25
Speaker 1: For everyone listening tonight, I know that you can feel
42:31
Speaker 1: mister Schmidt and Anna's suffering. We cannot bring Billy back,
42:39
Speaker 1: but we can seek justice. There is a twenty thousand
42:45
Speaker 1: dollar reward for information leading to the perpetrators. Twenty thousand dollars,
42:54
Speaker 1: no questions asked. If you know or think you know
42:59
Speaker 1: anything about who took Billy away from his family, please
43:05
Speaker 1: dial two one five six eight six eight four seven
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Speaker 1: seven repeat two one six six, eight six eight four
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Speaker 1: seven seven. Tonight we remember American hero Chief Ralph Brooks
43:21
Speaker 1: ANCHIM PD, New Hampshire passed away in the line of
43:24
Speaker 1: duty after eleven years, leaving behind two grieving children sentenced
43:31
Speaker 1: to life without dad, Jennifer and Ralph. American Hero Chief
43:36
Speaker 1: Ralph Brooks. Thank you to our guest, especially mister Schmidt
43:43
Speaker 1: and sister Anna Nancy Gray signing up for tonight, and
43:48
Speaker 1: again I implore you if you know anything about this case,
43:53
Speaker 1: please dial police. There is a twenty thousand dollar reward.
43:59
Speaker 1: God willing, I'll see tomorrow night, and until then, good
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Speaker 1: night friend.
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Speaker 6: Mm hmm