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Dr. Kent Hovind OWNS Atheist David Neff in a Live Debate Debate reviews at the beginning! Broadcasted By Brett Keane · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  So first, let's understand what evolution is not evolution is
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  not a vision, it's not a problem, using a non frog and
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  it's not a change in kind, whatever that means.
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  And it's not a theory of the origins of the universe life,
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  chemicals, passwords, Etc, and is not a theory increases and it
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  is not coming from a rock, I'm sure can have it will be
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  immediately. Um, same old fairy tales lines
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  and strong man and he always, I just got done watching a live
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  debate between Kent Holden and this guy called David Neff.
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  David Neff is an atheist a typical arrogant atheist who
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  thinks he knows everything and doesn't try to answer any
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  questions. Dodge everything that's thrown
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  at him. You guys.
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  Are you crazy - they're Liars? This is his answer.
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  The mirror, every question that Canto VII through Adam and also,
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  you're going to notice all the way from the beginning to the
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  ending of the video. Every time.
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  Kent asked him a question are threw up.
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  Something to argue the guy would simply sit well?
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  Well um um, um, let me ask a question and we'll see where you
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  go from there. I do think, David kind of lost
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  his cool as the debate went on and I think he did lose some
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  arguments. I think definitely definitely
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  getting a heated heated, towards the end, there can open one of
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  the debate. I was very annoyed listening to
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  nuff, he was denying his own Theory.
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  When brother Hogan was trying to show him from the chart.
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  We start out with single-celled and you get to this you get to
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  this to get this it contradicts what he was saying that.
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  Well a dog will always bring a dog or a horse is always going
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  to have. Yeah but at some point that had
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  to have not been true but he does One admit that.
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  It's very, very annoying, the evolutionist keep ducking and
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  dodging. The fact that if you start out
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  with one single cell thing and then all of a sudden, now we
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  have all these billions of things, then somewhere along the
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  lines, something had to produce something other than its kind.
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  There's not, there's no way around it, but they don't want
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  to admit that. And that's very, very annoying
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  for me. And I can't stand when people
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  are dishonest. So, you know, be honest, you
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  know, if you're an evolutionist emit, well, yeah.
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  At some point in time it had to happen but we can't Observe that
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  okay, just be honest, it's not science.
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  It was just horrible, Kent Holden ruined him destroyed him.
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  But the sad thing is that even if Ken Tobin wouldn't have even
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  been in the discussion and it was just David, Neff be atheist.
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  Talking, this guy would have ended up destroying himself that
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  he was so pathetic and terrible. He didn't know what he was
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  talking about and the only thing that he tried to do towards the
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  end of it, Always ask a bunch of random stupid questions, even
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  ends up turning off his camera and starts looking around in a
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  book and everything starts reading off a bunch of stuff
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  that he doesn't even understand trying to get Ken told them.
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  It didn't work though. I didn't hear the guy answer one
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  single question. I didn't hear him give one
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  single shred of evidence for any of his arguments are claims.
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  Sometimes once again, you have no understanding whatsoever of
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  evolution, this is not what evolution says.
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  It's not one to anyone. It says that all and you weren't
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  a high school teacher for 15 years.
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  You are printing from accelerated Christian education,
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  and giving high schoolers workbooks.
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  That's not teaching High School science.
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  So your temper tonic tonic hedonic moderate here.
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  One Topic at a time, none of this slapping run.
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  Okay, it's pretty much an ad hominem insult Fest from Neff.
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  And then, we're was really funny.
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  And really showed how like ensure and lacking in
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  self-confidence, he isn't trying to project so much as I can, in,
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  at the very end. Insulting out the Wazoo events
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  like and I would really like if mr.
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  Hogan would be willing, I would love to debate him again on
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  Faking, just gone from insulting the fire out of them, and kill
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  them all these names and issuing insult after insult.
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  And like and then begin, like, respectfully.
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  If Mr. Hovind, my senior would be willing to debate me except
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  what? Okay, dude, he had can't old and
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  just completely annihilated him. I have to give kudos to Kent.
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  I really love the Yzma, I love the humor, but David Neff was
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  absolutely terrible. It was almost a scruciating to
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  watch this destruction. Go down like it was terrible
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  terrible. But as far as the entire
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  audience, even non-believers were ashamed and embarrassed to
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  what they were seeing from you David, there wasn't one single
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  reason whatsoever that you inspired anybody to even accept
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  this nonsense. That you claim this true.
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  You don't even know. You're talking about, you don't
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  even know what evolution means. I didn't like the way net
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  enough. I tried to say we are not a real
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  teacher like that stuff that is trying to go personal.
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  Welcome to standing for truth. I am your host Donnie.
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  Thank you, all for being here tonight.
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  For this epic debate tonight, we will be debating, the important
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  question. And topic is there reasonable
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  evidence for evolution. I have to season Debaters here.
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  With me, dr. Kent hovind.
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  And David Neff gentlemen, thank you for giving us your time for
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  tonight's important debate. Thank you standing for truth and
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  you so much for hosting and mr. Kenyans, a pleasure to see you
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  again. My privilege and David.
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  Yes. Awesome hear me.
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  Yeah, I said we're going to get you converted just hang in
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  there. Now let me that there's gonna be
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  a good debate, this is gonna be a good debate.
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  And as usual, let's break the ice and kind of get to know The
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  Debaters a little bit. Before we get into the opening
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  statements. David, why don't we start with
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  you been a little while? Since you've been on the channel
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  for a debate, tell us a little bit about who you are and what
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  can people expect to find over at your channel?
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  Well, thank you. Once again, my channel is all
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  about providing science promoting skepticism and Cody.
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  Promoting reason, I do a lot of interviews and we do a lot of
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  open mics and after shows. So if you like this type of
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  stuff, feel free to come over and subscribe.
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  I'm scooting kind of taking a break right now, but I'm slowly
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  forward. Any studying biological science,
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  I am passionate about reason. I'm passionate about viruses, I
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  really loved biology and Immunology and get vaccinated
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  everyone. All right, I appreciate that
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  introduction there, David. I appreciate you giving us your
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  time for tonight before I hand it over to Kent though, we've
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  already got a great chat. So please as we always do, we
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  like to get you guys involved for an audience Q&A?
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  Please make sure you're tagging me at standing for truth with
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  your questions. That way I won't miss them so
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  over to you dr. Dino how you been?
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  What's going on and how was everything at Dow?
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  Well, thank you for having me. Yes, my name is Kent hovind.
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  I got the Born and raised in Illinois.
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  And when I was 16, I gave my heart to, the Lord got saved
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  started going to an independent temperamental fundamental
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  right-wing radical chicken, eating Baptist church and ended
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  up getting ordained as a Baptist Minister, 1974 and been involved
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  in Christian Ministry, ever since variety of things,
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  pastoring, a church teaching school.
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  I taught High School, science and math, 15 years.
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  And I moved to Pensacola in January of 89 and began the
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  ministry creation. Science evangelism defending,
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  the Bible as being scientifically accurate, God
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  Everything in six days, everything dinosaurs and
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  everything. So we started our ministry,
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  dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola and now we're here in
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  Lenox Alabama straighten or 70 miles from where we were and we
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  have 140 acres here and people visiting from all over the
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  world, 200 and some people baptized and we want to get o
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  World converge it to believe the Bible.
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  Awesome. I appreciate that Kent.
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  I appreciate the introductions from the both of you, David and
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  can't. So for the audience sake, we are
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  going to be having a formal debate.
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  We're going to have a roughly 12 minute opening statements, eight
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  minutes uninterrupted rebuttals and we're going to have a
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  free-flowing organic discussion. Discussing the points brought up
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  by The Debaters in the opening statements and rebuttals.
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  Then we will have five minute concluding statements.
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  And then again this is where we get you guys involved in.
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  Audience Q&A. So again, make sure you're
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  tagging me with your questions. Any time that The Debaters don't
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  use for the opening statements and rebuttals.
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  We will throw into the audience Q&A.
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  So that being said, let's get right into it.
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  We're going to hand it over to you.
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  David just make sure you unmute yourself.
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  You are muted. And I see your screen being
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  shared now, so I will get it up on screen for you.
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  And whenever you're ready, go ahead.
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  Well, thank you once again standing for truth.
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  And thank you, Kent hovind. It's a pleasure to be here is a
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  pleasure to be back when your Channel I want to begin with a
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  confession. My goal here is to not tease me.
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  My goal is not to win a debate, I'm not here to win a debate and
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  that's because I don't actually view this as a debate at all.
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  It is entertainment and that is because this this is not a
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  debate that is taken seriously in the scientific community.
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  Over 99% of biologists agree that the area If evolution is
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  sound, my goal, tonight is to explain why that is the case.
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  My goal is to explain why evolution is so well supported.
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  So first, let's understand what evolution is not.
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  Evolution is not a religion, is not a frog, producing a non
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  frog, and it's not a change in kind, whatever.
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  That means it is not a theory or the origins of the universe life
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  chemicals. Cause most Etc and it's not a
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  theory increase. And it is not coming from Iraq.
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  I'm sure. Can you have in will be
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  repeating these, same old fairy, tales lines and straw, man, that
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  he always I guess. I think it's possible that this
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  is the type of stuff that can happen is going to say, and it's
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  opening. So what and science throwing
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  stones isn't good enough. You need a better explanation
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  because tense model. Do a better job.
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  Explaining standby, own jumpers me.
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  Don't thank cannot even explain his model in a consistent way.
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  Patience definition is squishy hard to draw the dividing line
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  in practice the word kind. For example is very old defined.
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  According to an interest in Genesis it could be a species
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  genus family, even order in some cases.
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  So there is no dividing line with what is kind even is
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  microevolution is evolution that creation is cannot deny and
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  macro-evolution is evolution creationists must unite now,
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  Malkin, and well, can't accept any of this evidence that I
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  presented night. Of course not.
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  So when is evolution Evolution? Even I'm just going to, I'm
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  going to stop the timer there. Are you meaning to change the
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  slides? Because I just see it on the
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  first slide still. Oh, thank you so much.
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  Yes, I am trying to change the slides.
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  I'm not sure why he's not changing.
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  I am so glad you brought that up.
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  Let's see here. What if it's all in the title
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  slide? Still Evolution debate one.
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  That's trying to share. Yeah, let's try it.
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  We share this. Okay.
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  What if what, if instead of changing the size, I do this.
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  Does this change here? Yes.
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  Yeah, okay then I'll just keep it.
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  So yeah, evolution is not a religion.
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  It is not a frog producing an on frog, and it's not a change in
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  kind, and it's not a theory of the origins of Life.
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  Chemicals, biology, Etc. Excuse me, Cosmo eccentric
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  cetera. It is a theory on biodiversity
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  and evolution is the change in allele frequencies in the gene
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  pool delivered, successive Generations as a result of these
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  changes. But one genetic change, ever
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  ever many generations ultimately results and the emergence of new
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  and different species from a single ancestral species.
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  All living terrestrial organisms are genealogical irritated all
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  existing species or resonated gradually by biological
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  reproductive processes on in geological time.
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  Scale, there are four key points to Evolution.
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  Evolution has occurred species are not under.
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  Excuse me, species are not unchanging.
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  Entities, but Evolved over time, the primary cause of evolution
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  is changed as natural, selection species, change over time
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  because of barriers of because mirrors of different traits have
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  different probabilities of, contributing Offspring to the
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  Next Generation, splitting of a single species, as you two were
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  more, single species has occurred, that is called
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  speciation the necessary conclusion from this is that all
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  species, share a common ancestor.
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  And the final key points from Darwin, is evolution it.
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  Evolutionary change is gradual Evolution occurs by the gradual
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  transformation of populations over long periods of time,
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  rather than by a single species changing their me
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  instantaneously into something different.
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  You're four major elements of natural selection competition.
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  There are more individuals that are born that survived
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  variation, individuals, very interest rates directly relates
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  to their ability to survive and reproduce heritability.
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  These advantages traits are passed on to offspring
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  iteration. This process is repeated
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  generation after generation over long periods of time.
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  So, what is the evidence for evolution?
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  Number one is direct. Observation, number two is 25,
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  Fossil record and finally, genetics, very confirmation
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  antibiotic resistance. This is a pretty scary table
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  that shows when antibiotics were introduced.
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  And when the resistance was first observed, how does this
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  work? Well, you have a population of
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  bacteria and you treated with antibiotics some of them
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  survived and the ones that survived recruiters and Um, that
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  is how we get and eventually to get stronger and stronger and
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  evolution plays a back and forth.
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  Game, each lean once we're trying to do to control them and
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  that is what's going on. And number two is speciation, we
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  observe speciation every single creation is that I know accepts
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  speciation even can't move in does and Creations have resorted
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  to using species. Ation to explain how Noah could
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  fit all the animals into is so dark.
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  And so this is literally the definition of macro-evolution.
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  The only way that can happen is able to deny this is by straw
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  Manning or changing the definition of From Evolution.
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  I'm going to skip that slide as IV to HIV and another direct
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  observation of evolution HIV emerged, from SIV, sometime
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  around the 1900. And so the virus had to mutate
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  into a form. That could overcome natural
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  immunity to SIV and humans me and wants to have a gene that
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  encodes a protein called tetherin.
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  This protein has evolved to confirm assistance to
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  retroviruses by tethering them to the inside of the cells.
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  They in fact and preventing the virus from replicating for SI
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  v-- C pz to successfully infect a human and has to overcome this
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  impressive effects of human tetherin.
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  The S IV C pz evolved by acquiring to anti tetherin genes
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  called Eddie F and vpu one from each of the original monkey
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  virus that fused to form the chimpanzee virus, the NES Gene
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  mutated to overcome chimpanzee tetherin but the VP Eugene
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  remained essentially inserts when the virus jumped to humans.
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  Human tethering was so different that the NES unit could not
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  overcome. Human tetherin and stand.
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  The vpu gene mutated. To overcome human Seth Ryan
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  which allows hiv-1 group em to infect humans is this
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  imagination? No.
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  Is this all directly observed difference?
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  You is a fossil record remains fossils are remains or traces of
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  previously existing organisms in sedimentary rock.
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  They record past biodiversity, they record the morphology the
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  time and place, and the environment in which it lived,
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  and it can help infer evolutionary relationships.
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  Here is the A great chart that shows the evolution of horses
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  and of course, can't open would say that this is the fourth
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  time. So when he accept his says,
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  showing the evolution of the horse kind or not.
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  Let's see. And we also have an event
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  transitional fossils of whales, and how they evolved from Land.
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  Mammals And we also have very good records of how humans
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  evolved from other apes. And finally, genetics genetics
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  is probably the strongest piece of evidence for evolution.
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  If you years ago, I got my genetic sequence from
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  ancestry.com, and they were actually able to tell me, not
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  only where I came from from Europe, but where I actually
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  settled from Europe, which is an Alabama, It's just really
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  interesting because my biological mother was formed in
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  Alabama and I was born in Arkansas and mountainous.
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  Retroviruses and doggedness. Retroviruses, we can ask use
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  this to actually show the evolution of I'm going to use
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  this to show evolution of humans.
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  I want them to read a Quakes a very brief excerpt from the book
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  evolving the human effect and why it matters by dr.
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  General Fairbanks during the early days of genomic
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  sequencing. When scientists sequence small
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  segments of the human genome, they found remnants of ancient
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  Snelling stains, viruses scattered throughout it, these
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  viruses are called human endogenous, retroviruses Or herv
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  so short, they are remnants of retroviruses that use RNA
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  instead of G and DNA. As your genetic material, the
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  Retro and the word retrovirus implies.
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  That something is reversed transcription is a routine and
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  essential process for ourselves through wedge.
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  They make RNA copies of genes from the DNA of your genes.
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  The first step in the DNA to RNA to protein transfer of
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  information. However, when a retro virus
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  infects, a cell transcription is reversed then.
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  Is RNA is copied backwards into a molecular of to me and to a
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  molecule of DNA and the DNA copy of the virus inserts itself,
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  into the cell's DNA, the DNA. Now copy median and copy.
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  Now, embedded in the, cell's genome serves as the master
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  pattern for encoding, new RNA copies of the virus that viral
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  infection destroys many other cells that contain DNA copies of
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  the virus, the body's immune system.
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  Also destroys many of the affected cells by selectively
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  attacking them. There were cells that made us to
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  persist, with viruses inside them typically died soon.
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  After the organism dies, the virus survives only by escaping
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  the cells that it is. Infected it going on to infect
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  other cells, often in other individuals.
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  However, millions of years ago and are distant ancestry,
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  certain retroviruses managed to infect the germline cell which
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  cells in the reproductive organs that you think, eventually
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  develop into egg or sperm and a DNA copy of the virus.
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  It has to be integrated into the DNA of the germline cell and a
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  and egg or sperm arises from that zone.
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  That egg or sperm carries the virus embedded.
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  As part of its DNA at that egg or sperm cell, then participates
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  in fertilization. The resulting individual
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  inheritance of DNA copy of that virus and every cell of its body
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  and will pass the virus to its Offspring, who then pass it on
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  to their offspring and so on generation after generation and
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  the key point Here is that we have thousands of your RVs in
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  common with chimpanzees and other great apes and the exact
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  same location, which we can actually use to create a
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  phylogenetic tree to show how we descended from.
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  So, in conclusion as expected according to Kant, nothing we
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  discussed is going to be evidence for evolution.
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  That's okay. Can't accept microevolution.
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  And if all of this stuff is just microevolution, I can't
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  macro-evolution do you can debate the meaning of words but
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  you cannot debate what you see with your own two eyes.
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  Thank you very much and I look forward to the open discussion.
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  All right. That was 12 minutes.
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  I appreciate the opening statement there.
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  David Neff. We are now going to hand.
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  It over to Kent Kent. You have 12 minutes as well for
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  an opening statement and whenever you're ready, the floor
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  is yours. All right, well, thank you for
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  having me. It's good honored to be here.
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  And David, it's obvious, you've been thoroughly indoctrinated
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  into believing, you're in religion, and evolution is a
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  religion. No matter what you say about it,
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  after believe in it. Nobody's ever seen any animal
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  produce a different kind of animal will talk about that in a
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  minute. When I go out and look at the
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  stars, I can Marvel and say, wow, what a mighty, God, we
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  serve, I love the Lord. I've been his child now. 53
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  years. It's been estimated.
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  There are 76 trillion stars as a lot of starch.
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  Might be three times. Many.
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  We may go forever. We don't know that's in the
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  observable universe. It's been estimated every person
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  on Earth could only 11 trillion of them to themselves.
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  You guys believe all of this fit in a DOT smaller than a proton.
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  There are multiple levels of stupid but that's got to be at
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  the top of the pile to believe such a dumb thing.
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  You can't squeeze a gallon of milk into a DOT smaller than a
• 22:27
  proton. Let alone all the stars in the
• 22:29
  universe. If stars are indeed forming like
• 22:32
  you guys claim, we should see 9.7 million new stars forming
• 22:36
  every minute for 13.7 billion years, nobody's ever seen one
• 22:42
  form and yes, David. I'm sorry.
• 22:43
  You know, you evolution is. Do not like this one.
• 22:45
  I do that but this word evolution is a Slurpee.
• 22:48
  Reword has six different meanings and all you want to
• 22:50
  talk about is microevolution as if that is somehow evidence for
• 22:54
  all the rest and it's not first, you'd have to be Cosmic
• 22:57
  Evolution, the origin of time space matter.
• 22:59
  Where did time come from David? What happened before?
• 23:03
  Time began. What about space?
• 23:06
  Where did that come from for the Big Bang to explode into and
• 23:11
  matter? Where did Matra come from?
• 23:12
  There's a lot of matter in the world.
• 23:15
  Then that those elements that came off your dumb.
• 23:17
  Big Bang had to had to somehow form into all the different
• 23:20
  elements of our periodic, table chemical Evolution, then stellar
• 23:23
  and planetary, nobody's ever seen a star form, then somehow
• 23:26
  you got to get life to start and that life has to go from single
• 23:30
  cell to multi-cell. I was told that was one of your
• 23:33
  main points. Tonight, I'll cover that in just
• 23:34
  a second, scientists have not created life in the laboratory.
• 23:37
  And if they could, that would only prove it takes intelligence
• 23:40
  to make life. It would not Prove.
• 23:42
  It Could Happen by itself. In chance, let's have a chat.
• 23:45
  Foolish creatures on the planet. According to National
• 23:48
  pornographic, they say 525 jeans.
• 23:51
  We'll each gene is more complicated than an
• 23:53
  encyclopedia. And you want to say 525 of
• 23:57
  these. There's a simple as one.
• 23:59
  The simplest cell is more complicated than the space
• 24:02
  shuttle. Most complex machine ever built
• 24:04
  by man that I know of, that's a single cell new theory of
• 24:09
  organic evolution, somehow life has to get started from
• 24:13
  nonliving material. In your religion, organic
• 24:16
  evolution, the internet's full of this stuff.
• 24:18
  Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals,
• 24:21
  spontaneously organized themselves into the first living
• 24:24
  cell. He knows nobody knew when he
• 24:26
  said this 20 years ago and nobody knows now.
• 24:29
  So the word evolution is a slippery word, Cosmic Evolution,
• 24:33
  chemical Evolution. You don't want to talk about
• 24:35
  that stellar and planetary. Nobody wants to talk about that
• 24:38
  but those are essential steps to get to have something to evolve.
• 24:42
  That you got to have these. Then there's organic evolution
• 24:45
  life has to get started. Then macro changing from one
• 24:48
  kind of animal into another and if you don't know what a kind
• 24:51
  is, ask any four-year-old, they can look at animals and say oh
• 24:53
  those are the same kind and this was not the same kind in most
• 24:56
  cases nobody's got a good solid definition of species either.
• 25:02
  Macro-evolution large changes but skip up here.
• 25:04
  Let's see. All accept evolution geologist,
• 25:08
  biologists geneticists all accept evolution you guys say
• 25:12
  this. Like it's some kind of fact and
• 25:13
  you said in your opening 99% of biologists agree that Evolution
• 25:17
  has happened. Well, you better Define what you
• 25:19
  mean by Evolution and that's the central part of this entire
• 25:22
  debate because you guys do the bait and switch constantly.
• 25:26
  Okay, I accept the fact that cows can jump, okay?
• 25:31
  I can jump, I don't, they normally don't, but they can.
• 25:35
  I accept the fact, you could probably train a cow to jump
• 25:37
  higher. If you worked at him and gave
• 25:39
  him go to the gym workout or something like that.
• 25:41
  Therefore, since I accept the fact that cows can jump this
• 25:45
  proves Beyond a reasonable doubt.
• 25:46
  That given enough time a cow could jump over the moon This is
• 25:51
  the logic, you have David, we see these little changes,
• 25:54
  therefore paying, everything is possible.
• 25:56
  Jay David a cow cannot jump over to moon a cow.
• 25:59
  Can I jump over a tree? Not a church.
• 26:02
  Okay, so this is how dumb the evolution.
• 26:05
  Theory is you guys see wow, cows can job.
• 26:08
  Yeah, then you accept the fairy tale that they jumped over the
• 26:12
  moon. I know you won't get this maybe
• 26:15
  some of your audience. Well okay, there are four
• 26:17
  processes for evolution. Natural selection, genetic
• 26:21
  drift, mutations gene flow, mutations, are the ultimate
• 26:25
  source of new alleles in a gene for.
• 26:27
  I agree, all known mutations are harmful or fatal or neutral,
• 26:31
  show me a good one. If you had a good mutation,
• 26:34
  you'd have to have one of the opposite sex for it to marry and
• 26:36
  then that would have to take over the whole population.
• 26:39
  So if you had a cow with longer horns and this is going to be
• 26:42
  beneficial well, now you got to get the whole population of
• 26:45
  other ones that don't have the Longhorns to die off.
• 26:47
  This is you guys dream. Reem you imagine you believe
• 26:51
  Evolution happened 250 recognized breeds of cattle 80
• 26:56
  produced in the u.s. typically I accept the fact there are 250
• 27:00
  breeds of cows. They probably had a common
• 27:02
  ancestor called a cow. Okay.
• 27:05
  Corn, six types of corn, grown in the u.s. might had a common
• 27:09
  ancestor, 200 varieties of wheat might had a common ancestor,
• 27:14
  Wheat. Okay, four thousand varieties of
• 27:18
  potatoes. They might had a common
• 27:20
  ancestor, called a potato, 300, some species of dogs.
• 27:24
  They might had a common ancestor called a dog dog.
• 27:27
  Wolf coyote probably had a common ancestor.
• 27:29
  This is what we all agree on. So 99% of all biologists would
• 27:34
  agree that all the dogs in the world had a common ancestor
• 27:36
  called a dog. But I tell you David a
• 27:38
  four-year-old can tell you the answer to this question which
• 27:41
  one is not like the others, dog, wolf coyote.
• 27:44
  Anna. Banana.
• 27:49
  It's obvious. The Bible says 20 times in the
• 27:51
  first seven chapters that they will bring forth after their
• 27:55
  kind and if you don't like the word kind, I'm sorry.
• 27:58
  That's what it says and it works Darwin wrote a book called, The
• 28:01
  Origin of Species and nobody's ever clearly defined.
• 28:04
  What a species is If it has to do with interbreeding, there are
• 28:08
  quite a few that can no longer interbreed that are still
• 28:11
  obviously, from the same ancestor.
• 28:13
  Microevolution this is science. Variations happen within the
• 28:18
  kind evolutionary change, within a species or small group of
• 28:22
  organisms, especially over a short period, pesticide
• 28:25
  resistance herbicide resistance, antibiotic resistance examples
• 28:30
  of microevolution, I agree, it happens, it works.
• 28:33
  And that's where it stops. The cow can jump.
• 28:35
  Maybe, two, three, four, Feet, that's where it stops.
• 28:38
  Not going to go over the moon. You guys dream it goes forever.
• 28:41
  You give examples of microevolution on the internet
• 28:44
  Sparrow populations in the north have larger bodies than Sparrow
• 28:48
  populations in the South. Well it's cold up north and they
• 28:52
  need a bigger body to survive the winter.
• 28:55
  So probably those with a heavier body would gradually take over
• 28:58
  the population. It's still a sparrow.
• 29:01
  That's a variation of a bird. All Darwin saw on his Islands
• 29:06
  was for In varieties of bird same graph inch, he did not see
• 29:10
  any Evolution. He saw a natural selection at
• 29:13
  work and then dreamed it went beyond what were the obvious.
• 29:16
  They they're still a bird sell single cells, evolved large
• 29:20
  multicellular form this you got to be careful though.
• 29:23
  They even have heard you believe this single cells can get
• 29:26
  together to make a multi-cell creature.
• 29:30
  This is not true, okay? Your evolutionary tree of life
• 29:34
  which is Pure Imagination, starts with a single step.
• 29:36
  Sell at the bottom the origin of life and in gradually evolved
• 29:40
  into everything. In your religion, you believe,
• 29:42
  pine trees are related to frogs you really do.
• 29:46
  I don't know how to explain to you.
• 29:47
  That's not science and you won't accept it.
• 29:51
  We see varieties of armadillos we see varieties of possums
• 29:54
  varieties and dogs outside that circle is science, there's a
• 29:58
  whole bunch of family trees. But it does not mean they come
• 30:01
  together in the middle inside, it's a religion.
• 30:04
  Let's see, how did a single cell evolve into a multi-celled
• 30:07
  organism downloaded today? Multicellular organisms arise in
• 30:12
  various ways cell division or by aggregation of many.
• 30:16
  Single cells are really, a bunch of cells can get together and
• 30:19
  become a multi-celled creature. Really, this is a giant problem
• 30:24
  for The evolutionary theory. How do you get from, first of
• 30:27
  all, how do you get a single cell to come alive?
• 30:29
  Period? That's a major problem.
• 30:30
  But then the next one is, how do you get multicellular creatures
• 30:33
  humans have about 100 trillion cells in their body all working
• 30:37
  together to accomplish the job of keeping you alive?
• 30:40
  Very, very complicated. See, Darwin's proposed the
• 30:45
  existence of an evolutionary starting point and a primordial
• 30:47
  organism from which all Modern Life descended.
• 30:51
  This started to search for the last Universal, common ancestor
• 30:56
  Luca most likely a single-celled organism between 3 and 4 billion
• 31:01
  years ago. You be sure to add time that'll
• 31:03
  cure it. Okay.
• 31:04
  All species involved from single cell study fights National
• 31:09
  Geographic. Ten years ago.
• 31:11
  Really all life on Earth. Evolved from a single celled
• 31:14
  organism. Scientists have witnessed a
• 31:16
  single-celled algae evolved into a multicellular organism.
• 31:21
  Did they really? No, they did not.
• 31:24
  They observe some of them get together and lock together,
• 31:26
  their protect themselves from any Predators, all the observe
• 31:29
  in this incredible experiment. The team was trying to find out
• 31:31
  exactly what drove single-celled organisms to become
• 31:34
  multicellular. All those millions of years ago,
• 31:37
  one hypothesis is that predation.
• 31:39
  Somebody was eating Them Predator.
• 31:42
  One minute. Well, I got plenty of on this
• 31:45
  David, bring this up, we'll go back to that.
• 31:47
  Locking arms together for protection is not being dragged
• 31:50
  and to not be dragged off. Does not mean they are now one
• 31:53
  organism. It's a bunch of guys hanging on
• 31:56
  to each other so they can't get washed away with the tide but
• 31:59
  they're still individual people. Protesters lock arms after
• 32:03
  taking what happened. The algae multicellular
• 32:06
  Evolution study was debunked and there's a great article about
• 32:09
  it. Bye Jeffrey.
• 32:10
  Tompkins on, IC r dot org. Okay, headlines, scientists
• 32:17
  witnessed a single-celled algae. They said oh they didn't.
• 32:20
  One of the major hurdles was how life first transition from
• 32:23
  unicellular or multicellular and they give a long article here.
• 32:26
  The Predators were going after these little United States,
• 32:29
  single-celled creatures. So they lock together.
• 32:32
  They never function together as a single organism.
• 32:37
  Okay, let's see scientists who reject God will latch on to
• 32:40
  virtually any natural phenomena and put some strange Twist on it
• 32:43
  to support their Paradigm. You can read the article for
• 32:46
  yourself on IC, r dot org. So I think you're dreaming.
• 32:51
  There is no evidence at all ever in history of the world that any
• 32:54
  animal produced a different kind of animal.
• 32:57
  This is something you believe, you can believe it very
• 32:59
  strongly, but it's not science. So I don't mind.
• 33:03
  You guys believing anything you want to believe you can believe
• 33:06
  the cow jumped over the moon. I do mind that you want
• 33:09
  everybody to teach your religion and paid a teacher religion and
• 33:11
  our Public Schools. Those of you who believe in
• 33:13
  evolution, should go start a private school charge tuition,
• 33:17
  make kids to learn whatever you want them to learn the Muslims,
• 33:19
  have their school, the Catholics have their school, the oil
• 33:22
  evolutionist can have their school but it should not be
• 33:24
  involved in public education. It's not science.
• 33:26
  It's a religion. David go ahead.
• 33:30
  All right, I appreciate that. Opening statement.
• 33:33
  Laughter oven. We're going to hand it over to
• 33:35
  David. David, you have an eight minute
• 33:38
  rebuttal and I'll start the timer on your first word.
• 33:42
  All right, so give me one second DDT.
• 33:47
  All right, can you hear my Scream real quick?
• 33:51
  I'm gonna jump things mean a couple different screens.
• 33:54
  So Kent, hovind brought up the five-year-old test.
• 33:57
  I guess, I can do 15 year-old test on myself.
• 34:00
  One of these things is not like the other one of these things.
• 34:02
  Things doesn't belong and you guys which things is not like
• 34:04
  the other. By the time I finish this song,
• 34:07
  I'm sure of five-year-old would agree.
• 34:09
  That's a bandana is different from the other three.
• 34:12
  Does that mean that a human a chimpanzee?
• 34:16
  And a Bonneville or the same kind?
• 34:19
  I'm sure. No one would disagree with that,
• 34:23
  Candace. You've been preaching the same
• 34:25
  stuff since before I was born, human corrected, when the stuff
• 34:28
  from my pretty much every single person you've ever debated.
• 34:32
  So I generally want to know what learning disability you have mr.
• 34:36
  Kent and evolution does not permit one, kind of animal
• 34:42
  evolving into a fundamentally different kind of animal, no,
• 34:48
  stop sharing. That's and then I'm going to
• 34:50
  share something else. Let's see here and share screen
• 34:58
  print ad. Okay.
• 35:02
  I want to share this and I kind of wanted to kind of illustrate
• 35:06
  this the best I can. Unfortunately my drawing is not
• 35:09
  very good so bear with me now. So we of course, both agree on
• 35:14
  speciation. So let's say we have a specie
• 35:16
  here, species here and this is got a speciai 3D introduced to a
• 35:22
  distinct species and then this one over, Here is going to
• 35:26
  radiate into two more species then so forth over here.
• 35:35
  So forth over here. Then over here, we have the same
• 35:48
  thing. Going forth and forth so on and
• 35:55
  so on. And then of course, the results
• 35:59
  being this one. This VC over here is still
• 36:01
  related to the species over here by common ancestor.
• 36:04
  The point of the matter is that no points in this evolutionary
• 36:09
  history and no point. In this case, e Asian does one
• 36:12
  fundamentally different kind of animal.
• 36:17
  Become independent kind of animal.
• 36:20
  That is simply not what happens. And if a dog produce a non dog
• 36:25
  or if a hamster gave birth to a whale that Evolution would be
• 36:30
  falsified. So I kind of feel that Kent and
• 36:33
  I are talking past each other because I don't think we're
• 36:36
  talking about the same thing. And that's something that I'm
• 36:41
  going to hopefully try and demonstrate in the open
• 36:43
  discussion and so once again, Evolution has nothing to do with
• 36:52
  the origins of life. Nothing to do with you words is
• 36:54
  that the universe or chemicals or anything like that.
• 36:57
  These are all distinct fields of Science and might come as a
• 37:02
  surprise to Kent hovind. But the Big Bang Theory could be
• 37:08
  false and evolution can still be true.
• 37:11
  Because they are completely different theories, that have
• 37:13
  nothing to do with one another at all.
• 37:16
  So with that, I come to try and demonstrates, why that's the
• 37:20
  case in the open discussion. So with that, I'll turn the mic
• 37:24
  over to head to and all right. I appreciate that rebuttal with
• 37:31
  about four minutes to spare. So as we usually do, we're going
• 37:34
  to throw that into the audience Q&A, as we usually get a ton of
• 37:37
  questions and we already are getting a ton of questions as
• 37:41
  Got over 200 people in the chat right now, so, let's hand it
• 37:45
  over to dr. Kent hovind, you've got 8
• 37:48
  minutes for your uninterrupted rebuttal, and whenever you're
• 37:51
  ready, go ahead. All right.
• 37:56
  Well, thank you. Sir Bible says God, created the
• 37:58
  creatures to bring forth after their kind.
• 38:00
  You mentioned one of the evidences for evolution was the
• 38:02
  horse Evolution. All that has ever been observed
• 38:05
  and science deals. What we can observe study test
• 38:07
  and demonstrate not what you can imagine, SpongeBob style.
• 38:10
  All I've ever observed is horses produce horses?
• 38:13
  You may get a big horse or a little horse might even
• 38:14
  described sounded like a zebra. Probably the zebra, the borough
• 38:18
  had a common ancestor I wouldn't argue with that one is world the
• 38:20
  world's smallest horses here. They got small ones, they got
• 38:23
  big ones and ever get a horse as small as a mosquito though
• 38:27
  there's limits the horse kind there's the source the Zaki the
• 38:31
  zeona you can cross breed all these they're probably the same
• 38:34
  kind of animal. I agree.
• 38:35
  Horses probably had a common ancestor called something
• 38:38
  similar to a horse. That's never been a there's no
• 38:42
  evidence for horse Evolution. I'm sorry.
• 38:44
  Somebody taught you that and I'm real sorry you fell for it but
• 38:47
  I'm here to help you. I'll get you on brain washed.
• 38:49
  If you pay attention David, okay.
• 38:50
  You mentioned about whales being evidence for evolution.
• 38:53
  You throw that out into a typical student.
• 38:55
  Oh wow, there's evidence and they write it down.
• 38:57
  Well, there isn't not from Wales.
• 38:59
  Wales. For example, have small bones
• 39:01
  located in the muscles of their body walls, that are vestigial
• 39:04
  bones of hips. And hind limbs.
• 39:05
  This book, says really, they show the pelvis and the femur
• 39:09
  on. Whale.
• 39:11
  Now, the whale does not have a pelvis or a femur, and it's not
• 39:14
  evidence for evolution. I debated, Jeanne Scott for the
• 39:17
  national Center for Science. Mis-Education, they teach the
• 39:21
  whale is evidence for evolution had berserk Lee University.
• 39:25
  They show the evidence right here.
• 39:26
  Look at this, the cow from bossy to blowhole.
• 39:29
  This is one of their Publications.
• 39:31
  So the cow turned into a whale, is this how whales evolved?
• 39:36
  They show the pelvis and leg bought all the biology books.
• 39:38
  I'm aware of high school and up teach that the whale has a
• 39:41
  vestigial pelvis. If tiny hind limb bones that
• 39:45
  have no function. There's Biology book says,
• 39:48
  really hope, biology major publisher.
• 39:50
  Hmm, just imagine Wales walking around, it's true.
• 39:54
  No, it's not true. They put a big displays up in
• 39:57
  museums like Los Angeles Museum of Natural History.
• 40:00
  They say look at this boys and girls see those bones right
• 40:02
  there. That's the whales pelvis.
• 40:05
  This is a bold-faced lie. And anybody with one eyeball,
• 40:08
  have half a brain cell knows it, those bones are part of the
• 40:11
  whales reproductive system, their anchor points for certain
• 40:14
  muscles that allow the whales to reproduce whales, have huge
• 40:18
  reproductive apparatus and they have to maneuver him in the dark
• 40:21
  under water and the can't talk and say squared over honey they
• 40:24
  got have extra muscles. Bones.
• 40:26
  It's very simple or you can't get baby wails.
• 40:28
  This is nothing to do David. You said this is evidence for
• 40:32
  evolution. The whale be specific please.
• 40:34
  Why do you think the whale is evidence for evolution?
• 40:38
  The whale is evidence of incredible design.
• 40:41
  Those bones have nothing to do with walking on land and if they
• 40:45
  were remnants of leg bones, that would be losing something not
• 40:49
  gaining something. Where's the evidence of any
• 40:52
  animal gaining? Something to go from a single
• 40:55
  cell creature to a multi-celled human National Geographic, says
• 41:00
  whales and dolphins had legs. They're either stupid or they're
• 41:03
  deliberately lying. Tell them I said so okay and if
• 41:07
  you think that's the best schedule pelvis on a whale you
• 41:09
  are either stupid or deliberately lying.
• 41:12
  Where is the evidence of a whale showing evidence for evolution?
• 41:17
  The whales pelvis located far from the vertebra has no
• 41:20
  apparent. Current function.
• 41:22
  That's one of the bones right there.
• 41:24
  No apparent function. That guy should not be writing a
• 41:26
  Biology book, that's for sure. You should ask his mama.
• 41:30
  That's what we got. One of the bones here in our
• 41:32
  Museum. They have a nerve supply of
• 41:33
  blood supply. Their part of the whales whales
• 41:35
  penis can be up to 15 feet long. They got a maneuver the thing in
• 41:39
  the dark under water without talking.
• 41:41
  So this is a bold-faced lie, to say that the whale is evidence
• 41:44
  for evolution. They're very different Anatomy
• 41:46
  male and female anatomy, and they have to have these special
• 41:49
  bones and muscles. So I'm sorry.
• 41:52
  If you believe that's Evolution, you mentioned it and threw it
• 41:55
  out and somebody's going to say, oh wow, he had evidence.
• 41:57
  No, he didn't. There's no evidence from Wales.
• 42:00
  There's no evidence from humans coming from apes.
• 42:05
  You can believe that if you want and the picture you gave with me
• 42:08
  and a monkey. And I think the other was
• 42:09
  orangutan, I forget and whatever, the third, which one's
• 42:13
  different. They're all different.
• 42:14
  All four of them are different. Do you mean which one is
• 42:16
  different? They're all four different.
• 42:19
  The picture I gave showed three that are could easily have a
• 42:21
  common ancestor. None of what you showed had a
• 42:23
  common ancestor. So when you get into studying
• 42:26
  anatomy of creatures, you ought to just Marvel and say wow, what
• 42:31
  a mighty God we serve, it's everything is design and it
• 42:35
  looks like you're reading some kind of script which I'm sure
• 42:38
  you were. Instead of coming up with
• 42:41
  original arguments you're just reading what everybody else told
• 42:43
  you to say paraphrasing. Let's see.
• 42:46
  That is not a vestigial pelvis, I'm sorry.
• 42:49
  The horse did not evolve. There's no evidence from
• 42:51
  genetics. The genetic code of every
• 42:54
  creature is mind-boggling and its complexity to say that
• 42:58
  they're similar. Ortiz in these codes.
• 43:00
  So I bet Microsoft Word and Microsoft PowerPoint have
• 43:03
  thousands of identical lines of code.
• 43:07
  Identical lines of code. What does that prove?
• 43:10
  They both evolve from Morse code or that same guys are writing
• 43:13
  the code. The people at Microsoft are
• 43:16
  writing the code for PowerPoint and for other programs.
• 43:19
  And of course, there are similar lines of code, the same God that
• 43:22
  designed people designed all the other creatures and you we have
• 43:26
  two bones in our risk, which makes it both flex flexible,
• 43:29
  many different directions, very handy.
• 43:31
  Lots of animals have that feature, it's a great design
• 43:34
  feature. A lot of the cars on the road
• 43:37
  have doors that open out wall great idea instead of open end
• 43:42
  and be hard to get in your car. So does that prove common No.
• 43:45
  It's a it's a design that works. So I'm sorry you're mistaken.
• 43:49
  The whale does not have a vestigial pelvis.
• 43:51
  There is no evidence from the whale or from the horse for
• 43:54
  evolution at all. Stop lying to people and telling
• 43:57
  them there is and if your biology teachers are telling you
• 43:59
  that at the college, you're going to do have all come to
• 44:02
  bait. All of them, same time half my
• 44:03
  brain Tied by Mac. I'll pay my way to get there.
• 44:06
  I'll debate them all same time. I get half the time.
• 44:08
  No interrupting a no cursing. If they can follow those Simple
• 44:10
  Rules so I'm sorry you're mistaken David there is no
• 44:13
  evidence from the whales For evolution, no evidence from the
• 44:16
  horse, no evidence from genetics.
• 44:19
  There's no evidence of any ape ever turning up.
• 44:21
  Anything other than a baby eight chimpanzees, maybe chimpanzees
• 44:24
  humans make maybe humans, there are simply No Exceptions there.
• 44:28
  Tell the kids in school, this snake has claws.
• 44:30
  That are proof for evolution. Those claws are part of the
• 44:34
  snakes reproductive system. Same problem, they don't have
• 44:36
  any arms and legs and can't talk.
• 44:38
  They're part of the mating system of the snake connected to
• 44:41
  little bones that go up inside. So I know you guys are desperate
• 44:44
  for evidence for your theory. I mean, really desperate, I'm
• 44:47
  sorry, get a new Theory, your Theory's wrong, it's stupid.
• 44:50
  It's a religion and it's dumb. Alright, thank you.
• 44:53
  Bye. Alright well that concludes the
• 44:57
  opening statements and the rebuttals.
• 45:00
  Thank you, David. And thank you can't.
• 45:03
  We are now moving into the open discussion and as always guys,
• 45:08
  let's keep this cordial. Respectful equally timed while
• 45:12
  focusing on one Topic at a time and there were a ton of great
• 45:17
  topics and points brought up in the opening statements.
• 45:19
  So we have lots to discuss. David.
• 45:23
  Why don't we hand it over? To you for the first question.
• 45:25
  Or the first point you wanted to make since Kent just ended with
• 45:29
  his rebuttal gentleman. The floor is yours.
• 45:31
  All right. Thank you very much, mr.
• 45:32
  Kent, I do appreciate you giving me tonight.
• 45:36
  I kind of feel like we're talking past each other, and I
• 45:38
  feel like we're talking about two different things.
• 45:40
  So I just wanted to make sure we're talking about the same
• 45:42
  exact thing. Can you give me your best steel,
• 45:44
  man, definition and understanding of evolution, And
• 45:50
  what you're saying my best? What?
• 45:51
  Now, you're best deal. An understanding of evolution.
• 45:54
  So basically, I want you to try and steal me and my position.
• 45:59
  So seal you enter your position. I said what I said, it looks
• 46:05
  like to steal man his position as in.
• 46:10
  You know, what's your definition or understanding of biological
• 46:14
  evolution? I guess.
• 46:16
  I'm not familiar with the term steel, and let's see.
• 46:21
  So basically it's the opposite of straw man.
• 46:23
  This is why I always say oh instead of strongman okay well I
• 46:27
  don't strongman try not to I try to give very clear.
• 46:30
  I make it very clear. You there are six different
• 46:32
  meanings to the word. Slide number 100.
• 46:37
  And I do this frequently throughout my seminar.
• 46:39
  Cosmic evolution is a vital step that would have to take place
• 46:43
  before you can have anything else, you have to have time,
• 46:46
  space and matter, you're claiming these animals produce.
• 46:49
  Different kinds of animals will the animals are made out of
• 46:51
  matter where did the matter come from?
• 46:54
  You have to you guys love to skip these first five because
• 46:57
  you don't have an answer for them but they are essential
• 47:00
  steps. If we said the man was walking
• 47:02
  across the desert and he got in the car and drove the rest of
• 47:04
  the way. Stop stuffed up.
• 47:05
  Where did the car come? Um, you can't just say, you got
• 47:09
  in the car, found it on the middle of desert.
• 47:11
  You just say, well, life was already here and now it evolved.
• 47:13
  No, no. How did life get started?
• 47:16
  Where did matter a come from? How did life learn to reproduce?
• 47:20
  So I don't think you have a solid position I think of
• 47:23
  nothing but a straw man. I think what you have is lots of
• 47:26
  examples of variations within the kind which I've everybody
• 47:30
  would agree with every Farmer in the world would agree.
• 47:32
  You can get varieties of tomatoes and apples and bananas
• 47:35
  and frogs and But it stays with us, same kind.
• 47:39
  So you believe that the evidence that we see for these little
• 47:42
  variations is somehow evidence for the rest of your theory, and
• 47:46
  there's where you're wrong. All right sort.
• 47:48
  So if I could there's I think where you're misunderstanding
• 47:53
  is. As I mentioned, evolution is
• 47:54
  interfering with biodiversity and is not a theory on anything
• 47:58
  else. Those have different theories
• 48:01
  that are all independent of one another saying that the theory
• 48:04
  of evolution is false because it can't explain.
• 48:06
  The origins of the universe is like saying that the germ theory
• 48:09
  is false because it can't explain the origins of germs.
• 48:13
  Were the end of the atomic theory is false, make a because
• 48:16
  it can't can't explain the origins of the atoms.
• 48:22
  This is kind of the problem that you're making and I want to make
• 48:26
  sure that we correct this misunderstanding tonight.
• 48:29
  Lucian is a theory on biodiversity, nothing more,
• 48:32
  nothing less and I want you to admit that.
• 48:37
  Biodiversity bio, meaning life, diversity diverse.
• 48:41
  I agree each life form on Earth, the whales can produce a variety
• 48:45
  of Wales. The cows can produce a variety
• 48:48
  of cows. Biodiversity works just fine.
• 48:51
  Ask any Farmer in the planet they can with you biodiversity
• 48:55
  develop apples that will grow in colder climates like North
• 48:58
  Dakota or warmer climates like South Florida, but they're still
• 49:02
  apples. So biodiversity is limited to
• 49:05
  what anybody with a brain. Rain would say is the same kind
• 49:08
  it's still an apple Darwin. Saw 14 varieties of finches.
• 49:12
  Okay. They're still a finch so I
• 49:15
  agree. Biodiversity Works.
• 49:18
  Within the limit of the same kind, every Farmer on the
• 49:21
  planet. Does this for a living, they try
• 49:24
  to raise chickens that are better for a certain
• 49:26
  environment. So some plants grow better in
• 49:28
  sandy soil, some grow better and acids.
• 49:30
  Oiler moist climate, they have you been farming, all your life
• 49:34
  that biodiversity works. But that's where it stops and
• 49:38
  you guys imagine that it goes beyond that David.
• 49:41
  I don't know how to get you to see it.
• 49:43
  So yes, they're the best evidence is there has never been
• 49:46
  anybody in the no farmer ever. In history of the world has ever
• 49:50
  seen any animal produce, what anybody would consider to be a
• 49:53
  different kind. Show me something in the last 20
• 49:56
  years, David, that you can point to and say we saw this animal or
• 50:00
  plant produce offspring that are considered a completely new
• 50:03
  kind. What's the best evidence?
• 50:05
  You know of for That or is it all take place millions of years
• 50:08
  ago, milk and some I think the problem is once again, I feel
• 50:12
  like we're talking past each other here because it's
• 50:15
  interesting that you think that a change in kind would be proof
• 50:18
  of evolution while. I think that a change in
• 50:20
  something that is fundamentally different kinds of its Meg would
• 50:22
  actually be evidence against evolution of a cow gave birth to
• 50:26
  a whale, then Evolution would be falsified.
• 50:28
  So what I want to do is kind of flip the question.
• 50:30
  When you, what would you accept as a change in kind?
• 50:33
  What is it? What is something that you
• 50:35
  wouldn't want to? see, in order for it to count as
• 50:38
  a new kind, Okay. Birth to a whale that would
• 50:42
  falsify. Evolution did a cow and a whale
• 50:45
  have a common ancestor millions of years ago?
• 50:48
  David. Yes he did.
• 50:50
  Did that ancestor? Give birth to both the cow and
• 50:53
  the whale eventually over millions of generations?
• 50:55
  Yes. So well, I kind of know where
• 50:57
  you're going with this, but I want to kind of see.
• 51:01
  I hadn't wanted to turn this logic around when you, so you
• 51:04
  would agree that a lion and a tiger.
• 51:06
  I cannot understand him. Enunciate articulator.
• 51:09
  Write it down. I'm not understanding what
• 51:11
  you're saying. So it's getting easier.
• 51:16
  Does a lion and a tag? Does a lion.
• 51:18
  And the tiger, share a common ancestry.
• 51:21
  They share a common ancestor. A lion and a tiger.
• 51:24
  I don't know. That would be a good field of
• 51:26
  research for biologists to get into lions and tigers can
• 51:29
  interbreed they're typically The Offspring is typically infertile
• 51:34
  the tigon or the liger they called it.
• 51:36
  Depending which is the mail. And so they're both in the cat
• 51:40
  family. So whether they are had a common
• 51:43
  ancestor, don't know possibly, I don't think I'd be willing to do
• 51:49
  that. The Lion and the Butterfly did
• 51:51
  not have a common ancestor, okay?
• 51:53
  So can you can you name two species that you think do share
• 51:57
  a common ancestor? Why?
• 52:00
  I think the Great Danes and that you always have a common
• 52:02
  ancestor. Okay.
• 52:04
  What about the Great Danes and the wolves?
• 52:06
  Do you think a Shader common ancestor?
• 52:08
  I think they might have had a common ancestor, Great Dane Wolf
• 52:11
  but see this is all some a dog wolf.
• 52:15
  Coyote probably common ancestor but that doesn't mean dog.
• 52:20
  Wolf, and banana or butterfly. Have a common ancestor with you.
• 52:23
  You believe, a butterfly and a dog.
• 52:25
  Have a common ancestor, David? Yes.
• 52:28
  Okay. I mean, you want and it's rude,
• 52:31
  right? So, what's the evidence that
• 52:35
  what is your best evidence? That a dog and a butterfly?
• 52:37
  Have a common ancestor? All right, well, when evidence
• 52:41
  when you want it saps, let me ask you a question real quick
• 52:43
  and you'll see where that means as you just a couple questions
• 52:45
  and you'll see where this is going and then I'll get back to
• 52:47
  that. Can you actually explain the
• 52:51
  three types of natural selection?
• 52:55
  What are the different types of selection?
• 52:57
  Can you, can you explain the three types of natural
• 52:59
  selection, how they work and have examples of the three types
• 53:04
  of natural selection and you'll see where this is all going.
• 53:09
  I understand part of that natural, selection means, nature
• 53:13
  natural, things happen in nature that select which ones get to
• 53:17
  live long enough to produce their next generation of babies,
• 53:21
  natural selection can happen because of genetic factors.
• 53:25
  Something happens in the complex Gene code and the baby's born
• 53:29
  with a deformity or part of the gene code.
• 53:30
  Got screwed up is probably not going to live long enough to
• 53:33
  make babies of its own. So there might be a deformity in
• 53:37
  the genetic code, which is an incredibly complex coding in the
• 53:40
  copy process. Something goes wrong.
• 53:42
  And therefore, it doesn't survive.
• 53:43
  There might be a predator that feeds on the slowest of the
• 53:47
  rabbits is probably not going to survive.
• 53:49
  So eventually after a period of time, all the rabbits can run
• 53:52
  pretty fast or they don't make it and so that, but it didn't
• 53:55
  natural selection does not create anything.
• 53:59
  It selects listen to the wording natural selection.
• 54:05
  It can select, which one's survive.
• 54:07
  It cannot create anything new. It doesn't create rabbits with
• 54:11
  wings, that can fly and rabbits the fastest ones, probably
• 54:15
  survive in the wild. Okay, there's still a rabbit.
• 54:19
  So there is no evidence from natural selection that it is a
• 54:23
  creative process to make anything new, it's dreaming.
• 54:30
  Okay. I kind of didn't answer the
• 54:32
  question. Can you name the three actual
• 54:33
  types of natural selection? There are three major names.
• 54:36
  Three types of natural selection, not going on.
• 54:39
  I cannot name them for me please.
• 54:41
  And I'll tell you what, I think of them.
• 54:43
  Okay, this is pretty much done by was definitely a stabilizing
• 54:46
  selection, directional, selection, and disruptive
• 54:49
  selection, are you, have you ever heard of those three terms
• 54:51
  before I have? What do you mean by not by
• 54:54
  stabilizing selection? Well, when you think it means,
• 55:00
  What I think nature will select, it'll stabilize the population.
• 55:05
  Like the sparrow example, I showed the ones up in North
• 55:08
  Dakota have to have a heavier body or they don't survive, the
• 55:11
  cold Winters up there. It's stabilized the population
• 55:14
  and it's still a bird. Okay, so basically stabilizing
• 55:20
  selection is when natural selection works against the two
• 55:26
  extremes of the traits and selects for the middle part of
• 55:30
  the traits. For example, human baby.
• 55:33
  Size would be actually, a great example of this because of the
• 55:35
  baby was too big. Then there will be compilations
• 55:39
  with birth and increase the risk of infant mortality and maternal
• 55:42
  mortality. However, if the infant was too
• 55:46
  small, Then it would be premature in would also have a
• 55:51
  greater risk of dying. So the metal Trace is selected
• 55:57
  for something that is kind of in the middle between the two
• 56:00
  extremes and you'll see where this is going.
• 56:02
  So, does some play along with me for a minute?
• 56:04
  You know what directional selection is?
• 56:07
  Well, let's finish one point at a time.
• 56:09
  The stabilizing selection. You're saying the middle-sized
• 56:11
  baby's probably going to survive is that going to change the baby
• 56:15
  into an airplane or Frogger? Mosquito or is it still going to
• 56:18
  be a baby? Of course not.
• 56:20
  Because if that happened, then Evolution would be false.
• 56:23
  So stop everything. I didn't and the dark.
• 56:26
  You're not gonna loosen. His evolution is false.
• 56:28
  Okay. It didn't happen stabilizing
• 56:31
  selection. Any kind of selection is only
• 56:33
  going to select something that's available.
• 56:36
  You're not explaining how the baby's got there to begin with
• 56:39
  and certainly that's not going to create anything new.
• 56:42
  It's still a baby it might be that the certain size too big
• 56:46
  ones, the mother Eyes, can't give birth to it.
• 56:47
  So the mother died. Okay.
• 56:49
  That's true. Probably we're never going to
• 56:51
  have humans. Born that are 40 pounds at
• 56:53
  Birth. I'd be willing to bet.
• 56:54
  There's a limit every mother of course.
• 56:56
  That's right. Of course, because there would
• 56:58
  be selected against for the reasons that I mentioned earlier
• 57:02
  and just have you, follow me along and you'll see where this
• 57:05
  is all going. You know what, directional
• 57:07
  selection is It's obvious, you're reading a script here.
• 57:12
  We should go slowly and clearly enunciate and articulate
• 57:16
  directional selection. Is that was that the question?
• 57:19
  Yes, when is directional selection.
• 57:22
  Well, a farmer could use directional selection where they
• 57:24
  select the chickens that produce more eggs or the chickens that
• 57:27
  have more meat that they could direct the selected to direct
• 57:30
  the selection process, but it's still a chicken.
• 57:34
  No that's not one directional selection is okay.
• 57:36
  Tell me what directional selection is David directional
• 57:39
  selection is basically when one extreme strength is selected
• 57:45
  against the middle and the Other Extreme.
• 57:48
  So for example the longer giraffe necks the longer the
• 57:53
  neck, they would be more capable of eating the link.
• 57:57
  So the extreme one is going to be selected for and that is
• 58:03
  what. National selection is and and I
• 58:05
  promise you'll see where I'm going with this.
• 58:08
  You know what disruptive selection is?
• 58:12
  Well it's finish one at a time here, directional selection.
• 58:15
  Are you saying that something directed The Giraffe to have
• 58:18
  longer necks? And yes, it basically directions
• 58:21
  election is when you have a selective pressure within a
• 58:25
  population and it works to favor one extreme over the middle and
• 58:31
  the Other Extreme. So, So that's basically when you
• 58:36
  have when you have to reach high to reach the liens, then your
• 58:43
  neck is going to have to be longer.
• 58:45
  So the drafts for the lower neck, we're going to be best
• 58:49
  able to survive. That's what directional
• 58:50
  selection is. Okay now, wait a minute.
• 58:53
  David, how does this help the baby giraffes?
• 58:57
  Because the ones with the big leagues around some.
• 58:59
  I mean, come on. Now, obviously the ones in the
• 59:03
  bay. A giraffe's vlogger, go next and
• 59:06
  are going to be able to be better now now.
• 59:10
  Wait wait wait, but only the long neck giraffe can reach the
• 59:13
  tree. Leaves the baby's, got to be 17
• 59:16
  feet tall when he's born then or drink milk for a while but after
• 59:19
  that he's in trouble. Now David I know if you know
• 59:22
  this or not but giraffes drafts, not only have a long neck, they
• 59:26
  have long legs. Okay.
• 59:28
  They have a long neck so they can reach the David.
• 59:31
  They have a long neck so they can reach the ground.
• 59:34
  Not the tree, but can't get a drink without that long neck.
• 59:40
  Okay. And you'll see where this is
• 59:42
  going. I promise.
• 59:44
  Have you ever heard of disruptive?
• 59:45
  Selection know what? This this electric?
• 59:49
  What I said, disruptive disruptive.
• 59:52
  Okay disruptive. Have you ever heard that term
• 59:55
  disruptive selection disruptive? Just no, no, I haven't heard
• 59:58
  that before. It's a new one.
• 59:59
  Go ahead. Just never heard, disruptive
• 1:00:01
  selection. You never heard that before.
• 1:00:04
  Well, David, I'm gonna I'm gonna jump in here because there are
• 1:00:07
  quite a few people in the chat saying, you know, that this is a
• 1:00:10
  Debate and not a pop quiz. So my because we have you know,
• 1:00:14
  just 5 to 10 minutes left on the discussion David.
• 1:00:17
  Let's let's really try and discuss coming to brother just
• 1:00:22
  kind of more. So get to the point.
• 1:00:23
  So we can discuss it because I do want to ask him a couple
• 1:00:32
  questions here and I promise you'll see where this is going.
• 1:00:36
  So disruptive selection is basically selection was working
• 1:00:39
  in favor. That you extremes and against
• 1:00:42
  the enemy alien scream. So for example if you had an
• 1:00:46
  area with black and white gray bunnies, you might have
• 1:00:50
  something derivative but I'll just move past that.
• 1:00:54
  Have you ever heard the term? Hardy-weinberg equilibrium?
• 1:00:59
  I didn't understand a word of that.
• 1:01:01
  Yeah, yeah. But I don't even understand that
• 1:01:03
  one. Have you ever have you ever
• 1:01:05
  heard of the hardy-weinberg equilibrium hardy-weinberg
• 1:01:09
  equilibrium? ERM I've heard of that but tell
• 1:01:11
  me how this ties in with Evolution.
• 1:01:12
  All we see is variations happen. I agree.
• 1:01:16
  But it doesn't create anything new, the disruptive selection,
• 1:01:19
  the director of selection is stabilizing selection.
• 1:01:22
  It's not creating anything David.
• 1:01:25
  It's selecting. How on Earth is that going to
• 1:01:28
  change a banana into a whale? Or why do you think a banana and
• 1:01:32
  a whale have a common ancestor? You think those processes you
• 1:01:35
  mentioned are going to cause that.
• 1:01:38
  Of course not because if a banana gave birth, she will
• 1:01:41
  wailed and evolution will be falsified.
• 1:01:43
  Do you not understand that? Can you at least understand that
• 1:01:46
  if banana gave birth to a whale than evolution is false?
• 1:01:51
  Come on, man. Even preaching this stuff.
• 1:01:53
  Since before I was born David, I showed you a chart.
• 1:01:57
  I'll show you again. You guys believe a banana and a
• 1:02:01
  whale. Have a common ancestor.
• 1:02:03
  Don't you David? Yes.
• 1:02:05
  Or no. Does a whale, and a banana have
• 1:02:07
  a common. If we go back millions billions
• 1:02:09
  trillions of years. Yes, okay, that's know.
• 1:02:15
  Okay. I mean it's not as dumb and say
• 1:02:17
  humans coming from dirt, that was poofed into existence by
• 1:02:20
  God, hold it. I think God can take the dirt
• 1:02:26
  and make a human. I think man can take the metal
• 1:02:30
  out of the ground and make a car.
• 1:02:32
  That's pretty cool. I don't think the dirt can make
• 1:02:34
  a man by itself. I don't think the iron ore can
• 1:02:37
  make a car by itself. You guys want to leave the God
• 1:02:41
  out of the equation badly and I think I know why.
• 1:02:43
  But Firm a God to take dirt and make a man that's that's
• 1:02:48
  reasonable. I don't understand how but it's
• 1:02:51
  much more reasonable than saying the dirt made the manned by
• 1:02:53
  itself which is what you believe and you believe the dirt came
• 1:02:56
  from a DOT of nothing. Exploding.
• 1:02:59
  Hello. Is anybody home up there?
• 1:03:03
  Yes. God can create out of nothing.
• 1:03:06
  God can take dirt and make man. God could make a snake talk.
• 1:03:11
  If he wants to. God can make an idiot, talk.
• 1:03:14
  Go to your local University. It happens all day long.
• 1:03:19
  All right, but don't think David.
• 1:03:21
  Thank you for answering my question for the record.
• 1:03:24
  You officially believe a whale and a banana have a common
• 1:03:28
  ancestor, don't you? Yes.
• 1:03:31
  Now, okay, once again, I just want to try and correct your
• 1:03:35
  misunderstanding of evolution. Once again, Evolution has
• 1:03:38
  nothing to do with the big bang, they're completely unrelated.
• 1:03:41
  The Big Bang Theory can be false and the theory of evolution can
• 1:03:44
  be true. Come on man.
• 1:03:45
  You should know that by now. And once again, Get it over
• 1:03:50
  time. Could be true in the Big Bang
• 1:03:54
  could be false. What is evolving?
• 1:03:57
  You don't have a complete theory.
• 1:03:59
  If I said the guys walking across the desert and he found a
• 1:04:02
  car and drove home, you missing a big part of the story.
• 1:04:05
  How did the car get there? How did the dirt get there to
• 1:04:07
  evolve? How did life get started?
• 1:04:10
  I give the six different stages of evolution.
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  You guys hated, I know because it pokes, you, right?
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  Smack in the eye and shows the stupidity of your religion.
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  What? Evolved.
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  How did the banana and the whales common ancestor?
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  Whatever that look like Howard, where did it come from?
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  All right, so lots of stuff here.
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  Once again, Evolution has nothing to do with the origins
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  of life. This is completely unrelated.
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  There are many great Christian Scientists who believe that God
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  exists and that he created life and that evolution is a process
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  by which we created. Biodiversity evolution is not a
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  religion, Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of Cosmos
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  nothing to do with chemical Evolution.
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  Nothing to do with any of that. And I really wish you would stop
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  preaching that. Because you've been corrected
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  when this by literally, every single person you've ever
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  defeated. Literally, you have to know by
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  now that those two things are unrelated to each other.
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  Now they won't that look before you go to 18 one Topic at a time
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  I have a giant collection of public school, science
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  textbooks, I taught 15 years, Science, Biology or science,
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  physical science, I'll debate you on those.
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  If you'd like your biology major, there is no evidence at
• 1:05:25
  all of any Of any animal ever producing a different kind of
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  animal. But whatever that ancestor
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  between the banana and the whale was, and here's the chart, they
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  short, right? On the chart, you trace him
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  down, banana and dinosaur and whale have a common ancestor
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  somewhere. Along the line.
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  Somebody produced a baby that was not the same as itself.
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  And yet it never happens. Today we never see cows British
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  non cows but you believe something whatever that look
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  like producer banana and a whale.
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  Somebody had a baby that wasn't like itself.
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  David how can you not see it? Okay once again you have no
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  understanding whatsoever of evolution this is not what
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  evolution says this is not one time.
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  Anyone says that all and you weren't a high school teacher
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  for 15 years, you are creating from accelerated, Christian
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  education, and giving high schoolers workbooks.
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  That's not teaching. Teaching High School science.
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  So you're simply Ronnie Ronnie, Ronnie moderate here.
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  One Topic at a time, none of this slapping run.
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  Okay, I taught High School science and Christian schools
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  for 15 years for one year. Two years, I taught out of the
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  accelerated. Christian education are the
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  times. We used all kinds of different
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  biology textbooks. I have a giant collection of
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  them. There is no evidence from
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  biology that any animal has ever produced.
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  A different kind of animal. This chart right here from, I
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  don't have the name of the book. I think it's hope biology shows
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  that something came alive origin of Life at the bottom in the
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  middle and it somehow produced an octopus a squid.
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  A sponge a shark. We go up the chart and It
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  produced a human and a bear. Do you believe all living things
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  on Earth today? Came from a common ancestor,
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  David? Yes, or no?
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  Yes. Okay.
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  Where is the evidence of any animal producing something.
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  Other than what, every four-year-old would consider the
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  same kind. Because I think you would agree
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  a banana and a whale or not the same kind of life-form, but you
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  said they have a common ancestor, what?
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  And that ancestor look like and how did it?
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  Change to with both of those different kinds.
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  But once again, hence, I will let me explain kind of like, how
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  if I can Clump my damages here second because I think this will
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  be good for you to understand. You didn't even one second.
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  Are you trying to put slides up David?
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  Because you know, with only a couple minutes here, I'd prefer
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  you just to kind of make an argument.
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  Sure. So basically it works similar to
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  the way that the evolution of language works and that's little
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  bit over time just as if I could just hear this real quick, are
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  you comparing Say? Yeah.
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  I'm So comparing the evolution of language with the evolution
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  of life on Earth and you can kind of see this with this
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  charts right here and how the West Germanic languages
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  eventually became English and so forth.
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  And old Gaucho all coming from common ancestors slowly but
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  surely micro steps. We could Old English to today
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  and it's the same way with biological evolution micro
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  changes over. Long periods of time, lead to
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  big changes and this is something that I don't
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  understand. I don't I definitely do not know
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  why you cannot grasp that Mr. Hovind.
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  Okay, let me jump in real quick and one Topic at a time, let me
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  address that David David. The evolution of language has
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  involved a lot of intelligent input people speak, those
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  languages. This is not natural selection,
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  this is not artificial select this is Intelligent people
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  deciding to use the same word and a lot of our English words
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  come from German some come from Spanish.
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  I understand but there's a mixture but all of the Just the
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  language itself was designed and is pretty complicated it's a
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  code different sounds make different impressions in.
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  Somebody bringing when I say cow I just made several syllables
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  you know see are several word letter C 0 W, cow that puts a
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  picture in your mind. We all know what it means or if
• 1:09:42
  you speak English. So all we've ever seen is
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  intelligent input to make these variations to compare that to a
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  biological evolution is ludicrous.
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  But that's, that's literally exactly what happens.
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  Micro changes over long periods of time eventually gets large
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  changes. I mean, we both seem to agree
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  then some various cat kind shares a common ancestor with
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  each other. So you can see over time, how
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  this happens, I'm generally David, I want at one point in
• 1:10:21
  time we do see micro changes. Yesi micro changes.
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  There's a lot of cats but you want me to believe the cat and
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  the and the banana have a common ancestor.
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  Where is the evidence for that these charts show.
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  Let me see, is the cat on there. Yep, cat and banana have a
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  common ancestor. What did this assets to look
• 1:10:42
  like? And where is the evidence of it
• 1:10:44
  happening today? It can only happen in your
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  religion long ago and far away. Where's the science is?
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  What we can see David. Where's any animal producing?
• 1:10:53
  A different kind of animal. So we have observed speciation
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  quite often, we see this all the time and this is basically once
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  you would accept this one, kind changing into another kind
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  speciation is what I'm events. When one species becomes the new
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  species tend? Since you agreed that speciation
• 1:11:12
  happens. And you'll see where this is
• 1:11:13
  going. Can you tell me what?
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  Allopatric speciation is? Well, here we go with the cores
• 1:11:18
  are going species. Have certainly happens.
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  Okay, I agree. We now have varieties of dogs
• 1:11:24
  varieties of cats. I'm still sticking you to the
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  question, though. Where is the evidence of
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  anything happening that? Anybody would consider a
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  different kind? There's all kinds of.
• 1:11:34
  There's no solid definition of species, either, by the way,
• 1:11:38
  only see, SIV, becoming HIV. That's a completely new type of
• 1:11:41
  virus. That's literally A New Kind
• 1:11:44
  coming into an unkind, right as I become.
• 1:11:47
  Is it still a virus and wouldn't have listened?
• 1:11:52
  Wouldn't allow it to be anything else other than a virus I mean
• 1:11:54
  if it really do, you got it? It won't allow it to become
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  anything but a virus. Yeah, that's positive.
• 1:12:04
  All of my father. Finally, that's called The Law
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  of monophyly and I just and you know this by now you have been
• 1:12:09
  corrected on this by literally every person who ever debated
• 1:12:12
  you this is where I've been I've been correctly David I wasn't
• 1:12:17
  wrong. I wasn't corrected.
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  Cows produce cows. Dogs for his dogs.
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  I agree. Yes you believe dogs and cows
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  have a common ancestor, don't you?
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  David it calls for using a non vult would violate Evolution
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  ball is produced. I'm not involved with literally
• 1:12:30
  violates the law of monophyly. You know that tense.
• 1:12:34
  You're lying. David.
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  Look at my chart here. We have at the bottom of this
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  chart used in the public school. Textbooks, a single-celled
• 1:12:41
  creature. Let's call it an amoeba.
• 1:12:43
  Okay, did that amoeba somehow turn into a mushroom on this
• 1:12:49
  chart. Read it in.
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  Where's the evidence of an amoeba producing anything?
• 1:12:53
  Besides an amoeba your chart shows.
• 1:12:57
  The amoeba turned into a pine tree.
• 1:12:59
  A shark mushroom. Let's see.
• 1:13:02
  All kinds of stuff. So did this amoeba turn into a
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  dinosaur? According to the Chart, there's
• 1:13:08
  dinosaurs on there. Where's the evidence of an
• 1:13:11
  amoeba ever producing anything other than an amoeba?
• 1:13:15
  I mean, can you do in the laboratory, get the amiibo to
• 1:13:17
  turn into anything besides amoeba in a laboratory.
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  You can use all the selection you want directional, selection,
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  disruptive, selection, stabilizing selection.
• 1:13:25
  Use all the ones you want. Turn the amoeba into anything,
• 1:13:28
  enter into anything. Not amoeba.
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  Can you do that? Many scientists do that?
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  Can at that words, as they happened in evolution is false.
• 1:13:36
  A trident - come on, man. You know this by now, come on,
• 1:13:39
  man. It does someone Actually, he's
• 1:13:51
  asking for an example of like single cell to multi-celled
• 1:13:55
  Evolution. You know, do you have a response
• 1:13:59
  to that before we wrap it up here on the discussion, I just
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  want to make sure, you know, we're dealing with the arguments
• 1:14:04
  here, not not interfere. Has anybody ever seen it happen
• 1:14:10
  now or do you have to imagine it happened long ago?
• 1:14:15
  Evidence of a single-celled creature becoming multicellular
• 1:14:19
  today. Where's the evidence?
• 1:14:20
  There's a lot of single celled creatures are out there.
• 1:14:25
  So regarding speciation we've seen speciation all the time.
• 1:14:30
  We have observed new species form.
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  That's literally what you're asking me for.
• 1:14:34
  It's little David, I think he's specifically asking you for an
• 1:14:37
  example of a single cell to a to a multi-celled organism right
• 1:14:42
  track there several times. We haven't done, numerous
• 1:14:44
  experiments, one Nats, and my personal favorite experiments is
• 1:14:48
  from 2012, Radcliffe, and all used a used unicellular yeast
• 1:14:57
  and subjected to pressure that would involve multicellularity.
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  And it's actually interesting what they actually found
• 1:15:08
  reading. Just quickly from the abstract,
• 1:15:09
  multicellularity was one of the most significant Innovations of
• 1:15:12
  the history of life. But the initial Evidence remains
• 1:15:15
  poorly understood. And that is true.
• 1:15:17
  Using experimental. Evolution.
• 1:15:18
  We showed that the key steps in this transition could have
• 1:15:20
  occurred rather quickly because sometimes the subjects you need
• 1:15:24
  some used to an environment in which we can do.
• 1:15:26
  But if we if I could just jump in there.
• 1:15:28
  Just because you're slightly hard to human kind of mumbling,
• 1:15:31
  others. And I'm understanding about 10%
• 1:15:33
  of this, you have your mumbling David speak clearly, stop
• 1:15:37
  reading, think and talk. Where is the evidence of a
• 1:15:40
  single-celled creature becoming multicellular not much?
• 1:15:43
  Locking arms together for defense against a predator.
• 1:15:46
  That's not a multicellular creature yet.
• 1:15:49
  So we have seen, is we have seen this in the lab.
• 1:15:52
  This is literally what we've seen with yeast.
• 1:15:55
  And this is let me what has been observed before.
• 1:15:58
  So obviously we still there's a lot of stuff to learn about the
• 1:16:05
  origins from the jump from multicellular and being to
• 1:16:08
  unicellular D there's a lot that needs to be burned but we can
• 1:16:12
  recreate some of this and the lab and see.
• 1:16:15
  Okay once steps might have been involved too Greatness David.
• 1:16:22
  If I could, is this the example that Kent was showing slides and
• 1:16:27
  images of in his opening statement is that the example
• 1:16:30
  that you're putting forth? No, I'm leaving.
• 1:16:33
  No. He was using the I think I'm
• 1:16:37
  using a different example. This is from yeast experimental,
• 1:16:41
  evolution of multicellular, complexity and East.
• 1:16:44
  This is from Radcliffe. They made a couple different
• 1:16:46
  papers one in 2012 and Another in 2014 and you can actually
• 1:16:53
  look at the images and you can see that developments of
• 1:16:59
  multicellularity. Obviously, there's a lot, we
• 1:17:01
  need, there's a lot that we need to learn about Evolution.
• 1:17:04
  There's a lot to add some. All right, we need oniy that we
• 1:17:08
  don't understand. Okay, there's a lot, we have to
• 1:17:18
  learn Right? Yes true, I agree.
• 1:17:21
  I agree that that's what science is all about.
• 1:17:23
  I love it. Studying test demonstrate, let's
• 1:17:25
  learn You are determined though to avoid the obvious that maybe
• 1:17:31
  things were designed to bring forth after their kind.
• 1:17:35
  You're determined to make them have a common ancestor.
• 1:17:38
  The fact that single-celled creatures have always and only
• 1:17:41
  producing goals held creature babies.
• 1:17:44
  That's obvious. We can see that Sylvia to say we
• 1:17:47
  have a lot to learn. I agree until you learn it until
• 1:17:50
  you can prove it, don't teach it in science in the public
• 1:17:53
  schools. Deep at home, that's your
• 1:17:57
  religion. You believe, it keep study and I
• 1:17:59
  hope you find the answer one day.
• 1:18:01
  But until you do, it's not science and it shouldn't be
• 1:18:04
  taught in public schools at taxpayer expense.
• 1:18:07
  Keep it home, okay? Bring me the proof, then I'll
• 1:18:11
  help you pay for it to teach it. Okay, we'll jump in gentlemen.
• 1:18:25
  Be something that you would expect to see anything.
• 1:18:29
  Well, let's take that step from single cell to multi-celled,
• 1:18:33
  okay, there are no to sell creatures that I'm aware of or
• 1:18:36
  three cell door for tell you go from single cell to like 550 or
• 1:18:40
  whatever. The minimum number is for a
• 1:18:42
  multicellular creature. Where are they?
• 1:18:44
  Where's the evidence of this happening?
• 1:18:47
  Nobody's ever seen a single-celled creature become to
• 1:18:51
  sell door, three celled, but in your religion, a single-celled
• 1:18:55
  teacher became a dinosaur. So I'm putting the link in the
• 1:19:02
  private chat at the papers that I'm citing regarding the
• 1:19:04
  multicellular yeast and it is a couple papers from 2015 and 2014
• 1:19:13
  where we actually have done these experiments and show
• 1:19:15
  exactly. Now, obviously, once again, snow
• 1:19:19
  some things that we go to understand, but the principles
• 1:19:23
  of common ancestry is pretty well understood.
• 1:19:28
  So And speaking of words is an absolute fact.
• 1:19:36
  I mean if I can share my screen real quick well David because
• 1:19:44
  you know the discussion has ended probably about five
• 1:19:46
  minutes ago if you want to just really quickly.
• 1:19:48
  Make one final argument. Just since today you are in the
• 1:19:51
  affirmative of evolution, will allow a dr.
• 1:19:54
  Holden to address it. Go ahead okay, so once again, I
• 1:20:02
  wouldn't really have nice legs to understand like, once when
• 1:20:06
  you accepted a as one kind turning into another kind, what
• 1:20:10
  when you actually accept I would accept observable scientific,
• 1:20:17
  evidence, talk to a farmer on the planet that's ever raise
• 1:20:21
  plants or animals either one. Where is the evidence of anyone?
• 1:20:26
  Any show me what's the best evidence?
• 1:20:28
  You know, of of, let's take a chicken producing an on chicken,
• 1:20:33
  what's the best evidence? You know of, I think you can
• 1:20:35
  show me big chickens a little chickens and those that give a
• 1:20:37
  lot of eggs and those that give a lot of beef, a lot of meat.
• 1:20:40
  But where's the evidence of a non chicken?
• 1:20:42
  I'd like to see that. Well, let's get See that pretty
• 1:20:46
  well. Was it worth it?
• 1:20:47
  Not chicken daddy once again Mr. Hovind you're completely missing
• 1:20:53
  the point that I've been trying to make earlier which is the
• 1:20:55
  lowest monophyly if a chicken Gaper to an object and then
• 1:21:00
  Evolution would be falsified, I don't understand like the things
• 1:21:03
  that you would want to see that when confirm evolution is the
• 1:21:07
  stuff that I want banana seat at would disconfirm Evolution and
• 1:21:10
  this is why I feel like we're talking past each other.
• 1:21:16
  Okay, does the law say, slide number 108, does the law of
• 1:21:20
  monophyly? Apply to Amoeba because this one
• 1:21:24
  shows the me but turning into sharks.
• 1:21:29
  This chart shows the Me by turning into.
• 1:21:31
  Let's see. Humans what happened to the law
• 1:21:34
  of monophyly? David.
• 1:21:37
  I'm so once again this is that's a pretty bad charge there.
• 1:21:42
  What we see is plays with enclaves within clades.
• 1:21:45
  We do not see a way of producing a long thin, which would violate
• 1:21:51
  them principle or right away if I can Operations that is
• 1:22:01
  obviously a very bad representation and very bad
• 1:22:04
  breath. So I do not like whoever made
• 1:22:07
  that they did a pretty good job of its.
• 1:22:13
  This is straight from the textbook.
• 1:22:15
  How about this one? Let's see.
• 1:22:18
  This one shows horses and birds, having a common ancestor.
• 1:22:23
  Do you believe horses and birds have a common ancestor, David?
• 1:22:27
  Yes? Okay, what happened to the law
• 1:22:29
  of monophyly below minor? Finally, when still went
• 1:22:34
  through, I mean, let me see if I can, actually explain all the
• 1:22:39
  something that was non horse and non bird.
• 1:22:43
  Producer baby somewhere along the line.
• 1:22:45
  That was evolving toward one or the other.
• 1:22:47
  I'm my point is, this is never observed.
• 1:22:50
  It is a religious belief, I believe you have one of the
• 1:22:53
  dumbest religions in the world but you're welcome to believe
• 1:22:57
  it. I just resent paying for it in
• 1:22:59
  the public schools anybody else resent paying for it in the
• 1:23:02
  public schools to private school and teach Evolution.
• 1:23:08
  We don't care but it's not science.
• 1:23:11
  You think a dog? I mean Horse and a bird.
• 1:23:14
  Have a common ancestor. You can believe that if you
• 1:23:18
  want, but it's not science. There's no evidence.
• 1:23:21
  Monophyly is true. Whatever that ancestor was could
• 1:23:25
  only produce whatever it was. It couldn't turn into a horse,
• 1:23:29
  but you think over millions of generations, it can change.
• 1:23:33
  From an amoeba to a horse that violates, the law of monophyly
• 1:23:38
  that violates all common sense and violates all biology we've
• 1:23:40
  ever seen. It's a belief system you, but
• 1:23:44
  you've been told this many times David, why don't you get it?
• 1:23:49
  Okay, David, let's do this because I do want to make sure
• 1:23:52
  that looks like David. Just dropped out.
• 1:23:54
  I'm not sure if it was his cutting equipment or or what?
• 1:23:58
  This has definitely been a memorable debate.
• 1:24:03
  Okay, Okay. David so actually what I was
• 1:24:07
  going to say before you dropped out, let's let's do this because
• 1:24:12
  it's been a great discussion, we do have some audience questions,
• 1:24:16
  there might be something you want to respond to their David.
• 1:24:19
  Let's do it in your closing statement though.
• 1:24:22
  So you get you get you know the first round here for concluding
• 1:24:25
  statements, you get up to five minutes so anything you want to
• 1:24:29
  address and your point, if you might not have, you know, make
• 1:24:33
  we'll do it right now, then we'll hand it to cat.
• 1:24:35
  Do the same thing. It was this Q&A time Donnie.
• 1:24:39
  Yeah. We're just going to do some real
• 1:24:41
  quick concluding statements from the both of you and David will
• 1:24:45
  start with David. So go ahead and you can share my
• 1:24:48
  screen while I go through it. Well, thank you once again mr.
• 1:24:51
  Kent, thank you standing for being a gracious host.
• 1:24:54
  Well, once again referred pretty much can't Heavens repeated
• 1:25:00
  stuff that he's been preaching. Since before I was born
• 1:25:03
  Evolution once again is not a religion has nothing to do with
• 1:25:05
  the origins of the universe. Nothing like that.
• 1:25:07
  It has nothing to do with anything but biological
• 1:25:11
  evolution which is biodiversity. Evolution is the best
• 1:25:15
  explanation for biodiversity. As far as monophyly there's a
• 1:25:19
  great website called the phylogenetic place for projects
• 1:25:23
  phylogeny Explorer projects and you can kind of Trace back and
• 1:25:26
  see exactly the steps and really how life evolved over time.
• 1:25:31
  I'm just going to focus on the plane coming in a which is the
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  clay that we belonged to this plane come eventually create a
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  small fee. To two distinct, some lineages
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  the gorilla and then homo and pawn.
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  That we have the homo and ponder over here.
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  I'm just putting again in two more groups and diversifying and
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  we can see exactly what happens over here.
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  And these are Income small incremental changes over time,
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  that means to a branching diverse pattern.
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  And this is what we see. Once again, there's no such
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  thing as one kind of animal changing into something that is
• 1:26:07
  a fundamentally different kind of animal and throughout these
• 1:26:11
  micro steps in microevolution, Cindy's fault.
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  Changes over time, they can Branch off into different
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  languages and these different languages Branch off and become
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  big roast and distinct within their own group.
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  And this is how eventually we see two distinct organisms, that
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  look nothing alike. Even though they share a common
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  ancestor you can follow. You can go trigger phylogeny
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  eggs or projects and Trace the evolution of pretty much any
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  species you want. And if So you let me see is a
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  Dream Within the clade with into played and then it's something
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  that I don't think mr. Kent open seems to understand or
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  if you wanted, or if he even Wilson to understand.
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  I find it very interesting that while I was talking again,
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  hoping to bounce various types of natural selection.
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  He was not able to really explain something that is taught
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  in her semester undergrad. Bio.
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  At the three types of natural selection.
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  I mean, come on. Can't you been preaching this
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  stuff since before? I was born.
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  I mean, you have to know by now that's Evolution.
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  Does not say I'm kind of coming into another kind.
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  You still haven't Beyond example, if you want for just to
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  help me into something ridiculous.
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  You know that Evolution would not permit.
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  So weíll given birth to a pine tree, but you see these things
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  to make Evolution look ridiculous.
• 1:27:33
  This is a strong man. This is Ally and I think you
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  know this by now and you should you should stop lying here and
• 1:27:41
  Global audience. I mean, I'm sorry there's no
• 1:27:43
  nice way of putting it, you're simply deliberately missing from
• 1:27:50
  your audience from willfully saying that your willfully
• 1:27:54
  saying, things that simply cannot happen and it's literally
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  your simply raising your same old stuff.
• 1:28:06
  You're waiting for your cue Excuse me.
• 1:28:07
  Everything from this curves. Can't you been reading from the
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  same script since before I was born.
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  So that's I will close off the Mike and I would like to invite
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  official. I have an application.
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  Where my channel everyone is. Welcome to enjoy.
• 1:28:25
  All right, just on time. That was your 5-minute
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  concluding statement? We're going to hand it over to
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  cacked. Can't you also have five minutes
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  for a concluding statement. Go ahead, the floor is yours.
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  Well David the reason I haven't changed things just saying
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  things since before you were born is because it's true.
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  Truth doesn't change two. Plus two is four long before I
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  was born also and the God said long before any of us were born
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  the animals and plants would bring forth after their kind 20.
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  In the first seven chapters of the Book of Genesis.
• 1:28:58
  That's what it says. Charlie Darwin came along and
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  said oh the Origin of Species made up.
• 1:29:03
  This word not been makeup, the word species but God said their
• 1:29:06
  bring forth after their kind. I will stick my my stuff.
• 1:29:09
  There are six different meanings to the word Evolution.
• 1:29:12
  You guys try to hide that, but it's absolutely simple and true.
• 1:29:15
  Only number six is really science.
• 1:29:18
  The first five are religious, you believe in them, you may
• 1:29:21
  believe in him very strongly and I think you do, and I think I
• 1:29:24
  know why. But microevolution is a lousy
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  term. We shouldn't call it that we
• 1:29:28
  should call it variation within the kind of give the examples of
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  micro evolution by natural selection like The Sparrows.
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  Okay. I agree.
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  There's a variety of sparrow. Let's see.
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  But you said in your closing just now Evolution does not say
• 1:29:45
  that one kind of animal turns into another kind David.
• 1:29:49
  You are either confused or deliberately lying this chart
• 1:29:53
  shows an amoeba turning into A dinosaur and a human.
• 1:29:57
  Yes, you do believe somewhere along the line, the law of
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  monophyly was broken about 45 trillion times to change an
• 1:30:06
  amoeba to a dinosaur. You do believe things, change
• 1:30:10
  into something else. You believe a dinosaur and a
• 1:30:13
  frog, have a common ancestor with a mosquito.
• 1:30:17
  This is what you believe and I don't mind that you believe that
• 1:30:20
  that's fine. But my point is, is always been
• 1:30:23
  the same. That's not science.
• 1:30:26
  There are probably 20 different varieties of kangaroos.
• 1:30:29
  They might had a common ancestor, but these guys,
• 1:30:32
  somebody drew lines on paper here showing the horse and the
• 1:30:36
  bird and the rabbit all going back to a single common
• 1:30:40
  ancestor, you drew lines on paper just a minute ago David to
• 1:30:44
  show. This is not Evolution showing
• 1:30:46
  that homo turned into the different types of apes and
• 1:30:51
  humans you just drew lines on paper.
• 1:30:54
  That's not science. Monkeys are having babies today.
• 1:30:58
  Let's see, a non monkey come out of this Union.
• 1:31:00
  Humans are having babies today. Where is he example anywhere of
• 1:31:05
  non-human being born to humans? Where is the example of an
• 1:31:09
  amoeba producing? A non amoeba.
• 1:31:11
  I stand by my ground, the Bible is absolutely correct about the
• 1:31:15
  creation. God made all the plants and all
• 1:31:19
  the animals to bring forth after their kind guy.
• 1:31:22
  Just like he said, and the Bible is absolutely Lutely true.
• 1:31:27
  God destroyed this world with a flood and the Bible is true.
• 1:31:30
  There's going to be a final judgment one day.
• 1:31:33
  Second Peter chapter 3, says the scoffers and I'll put you in
• 1:31:36
  that category, David. The scoffers are willingly
• 1:31:39
  ignorant of the creation, the flood, and the coming judgement
• 1:31:43
  of God, David, you're going to stand before.
• 1:31:46
  God one day whether you like it or not, whether you believe it
• 1:31:49
  or not, and he's going to judge you.
• 1:31:52
  By his book, not by your rules by his rules.
• 1:31:55
  He's the Creator. He made it, he owns it, he can
• 1:31:57
  make any rules. He want.
• 1:31:59
  If you have a piece of property where you live that you own your
• 1:32:01
  house, you can make any rule you want on that property, you can
• 1:32:04
  say, don't come in here on my property with alcohol or drugs
• 1:32:07
  or something. Okay, it's your house.
• 1:32:08
  You can make those rules. California can make rules don't
• 1:32:11
  come into our state, unless you do this, God can make rules.
• 1:32:15
  You can't come into my heaven, unless you have all your sins
• 1:32:18
  forgiven. The only way to do that soon the
• 1:32:21
  blood of Jesus Christ. I did that 53 years ago.
• 1:32:23
  I said Lord, I'm a sinner. I'd like you to forgive me and
• 1:32:25
  save me. My sins are gone.
• 1:32:27
  Praise God. I'm going to heaven and is not
• 1:32:29
  because I'm good because of what Jesus did for me.
• 1:32:33
  God said, they'll bring forth after their kind.
• 1:32:35
  That's all that's ever happened. God said he's going to judge the
• 1:32:38
  world again. It's coming David.
• 1:32:40
  I'd like to see you come to Heaven.
• 1:32:41
  I really would but you got to get your sins forgiven.
• 1:32:44
  You're in trouble, the way you're going, you're in real
• 1:32:46
  serious trouble. And so, anyway, call me 855 big
• 1:32:49
  Dino, extension three. I take calls all day long and
• 1:32:51
  half the night. I'll be glad to talk with you.
• 1:32:54
  If you want to say brother hovind, don't call me brother,
• 1:32:56
  yet. He's in Kent hovind.
• 1:32:58
  I don't want this public. Okay, I'll keep it private, I
• 1:33:00
  have atheist, call me all the time, and I keep it private
• 1:33:02
  until they say you can go public now.
• 1:33:04
  Tell him. Okay.
• 1:33:06
  But David, you're willingly. Ignorant.
• 1:33:08
  Second, Peter 3, read, that passage of write.
• 1:33:10
  Your name in the margin, you're ignorant of the Ian, you're
• 1:33:13
  ignorant of the flood and you're ignorant of the coming, Judgment
• 1:33:15
  of God, can hit you like a freight train.
• 1:33:17
  Okay, that's it. Thank you.
• 1:33:19
  All right, just on sign, and that concludes the five minutes
• 1:33:27
  including statements, guys. Fantastic debate Time Has Fallen
• 1:33:30
  by the audience has had a great time.
• 1:33:33
  We've got almost 300 people in the chat, still with hey, ton of
• 1:33:37
  questions and support lots of support.
• 1:33:39
  So gentlemen, dr. Dino and David Thanks for
• 1:33:42
  keeping it fun. Let's get through a few of these
• 1:33:45
  questions before we call it a night as we always do on this
• 1:33:50
  channel, whoever the question is for gets the last word in that
• 1:33:53
  way, we can move along smoothly, there are two after shows.
• 1:33:57
  So one on David's Channel David you can link it if you'd like to
• 1:34:02
  and then another one on a logical plausible probables
• 1:34:05
  channel. So the after shows will kick off
• 1:34:08
  as soon as this debate is over. Okay, let's go all the way back
• 1:34:11
  to the beginning. Here with the first question
• 1:34:15
  that came in this one came in from redefined living and
• 1:34:19
  gentlemen, what I'll do is put them in the chat and show them
• 1:34:23
  on screen to help you guys. So this one is on-screen, David
• 1:34:27
  looks like it is for you from redefined living.
• 1:34:30
  He says, question for David. Can you show that in doggedness,
• 1:34:35
  retroviruses E, RVs originated outside of a hose?
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  Well, viruses for well mine. This is for by definition when
• 1:34:44
  it originated outside of the host and then insert itself in
• 1:34:48
  viruses have to insert itself into a cell in order to
• 1:34:54
  reproduce. So by definition, a virus would
• 1:34:59
  have to originate outside the host and I'm standing, can you
• 1:35:03
  mom put a link to my after-show and then chats?
• 1:35:06
  Absolutely. Oh yeah, I see it here.
• 1:35:08
  Yeah. So I'll put a link to your
• 1:35:10
  after-show and then John In the chat, you can link your
• 1:35:13
  after-show as well to be fair. So I appreciate the response
• 1:35:16
  there David and I can't anything you wanted to add to that.
• 1:35:20
  Well, endogenous retrovirus or any kind of complex organism,
• 1:35:25
  nobody can show how it originated inside, or outside of
• 1:35:29
  a host. No can't be done.
• 1:35:32
  Okay, and David quick, final word before we get on, to the
• 1:35:35
  next question, just move on to the next question.
• 1:35:40
  Okay, so next question comes in from, and I'll put it up on
• 1:35:43
  screen from jobbing question for he says, Andrew.
• 1:35:47
  But I believe that's you there. David.
• 1:35:49
  So, he says, how does the virus SIV changing to HIV?
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  Prove? Macro-evolution aren't both of
• 1:35:58
  those still a kind of virus. Both of them are still kind of
• 1:36:04
  virus boots. It's a brand new type of virus
• 1:36:07
  that is literally the definition of macro-evolution and I just
• 1:36:11
  don't understand why creationists do not understand
• 1:36:13
  this if a virus became a human, then Evolution would be
• 1:36:17
  falsified. I just for the life of me, I
• 1:36:19
  don't understand why creationists understand
• 1:36:22
  monophyly. Okay, thank you for the answer
• 1:36:26
  there. David will hand it over to you.
• 1:36:29
  That if you have anything you wanted to add, well, he's on us,
• 1:36:32
  he doesn't understand that's for sure.
• 1:36:35
  He doesn't understand how it can we, it didn't happen.
• 1:36:38
  Okay, what does this question is correct changing from a virus to
• 1:36:43
  a virus? Is still a virus that that's not
• 1:36:46
  going to become anything. That's not evidence for
• 1:36:48
  evolution in their mind. It is though.
• 1:36:50
  Wow, look at this, brand-new kind of virus, it's still a
• 1:36:52
  virus guys. It might be resistant to certain
• 1:36:55
  And things that we do to try to kill it but it's still a virus.
• 1:37:00
  I bet if you went around and SWAT it all the bugs and the
• 1:37:02
  bugs were the harder shell survived, pretty soon.
• 1:37:05
  You have a population of hard shell bugs because they can
• 1:37:07
  survive. Get a bigger Hammer, not almost
• 1:37:09
  survive. All right, I appreciate that.
• 1:37:14
  That respond to dr. Hovind.
• 1:37:15
  David question was for you, get the final word.
• 1:37:18
  That's me one. Okay, I appreciate it.
• 1:37:21
  Next question, here comes from Jackson row.
• 1:37:24
  So Kent and Jackson, just finished a debate Trilogy.
• 1:37:28
  As a matter of fact, so rho is asking you Kent.
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  How do you explain all of the whale transitional fossils?
• 1:37:37
  Well, Jackson, there are no transitional fossils there are
• 1:37:42
  fossils. You may choose to put them in
• 1:37:44
  some kind of order. I could put the rocks in my
• 1:37:47
  driveway in some kind of order. That doesn't prove anything when
• 1:37:50
  you find a fossil, all, you know, is it died.
• 1:37:55
  You cannot prove it had any children at all.
• 1:37:58
  You certainly could not prove ahead different children.
• 1:38:00
  No animal today is capable of producing Offspring other than
• 1:38:04
  its same kind. And yet you wish to believe
• 1:38:06
  Leave that that bone in the dirt can do something that no animals
• 1:38:09
  today can do. So my stand is, there is no such
• 1:38:13
  thing as a fossil record. There is no such thing as a
• 1:38:16
  geologic. Column you guys wish to believe
• 1:38:19
  and teach that all the layers of the Earth are different ages
• 1:38:23
  without stopping and thinking, how stupid that is.
• 1:38:25
  If the top layer is younger, where's it coming?
• 1:38:28
  From? Outer Space.
• 1:38:30
  If you move a layer in different order, they're still the same
• 1:38:33
  age. Shuffling a deck of cards does
• 1:38:35
  not change the age. The cards there is no such thing
• 1:38:39
  as a fossil record. There is no such thing as a
• 1:38:42
  geologic column there are layers to the earth.
• 1:38:44
  I live in a gravel pit. We got a bunch of them right
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  here. I taught her science, 15 years.
• 1:38:48
  I'll debate any of you on that. There is no such thing as a
• 1:38:52
  geologic column. All the layers are the same age
• 1:38:55
  whether it's 6,000 or Six Trillion, they're all the same
• 1:38:57
  age. So there are no whale
• 1:39:00
  Transitions and why does it happen?
• 1:39:02
  Jackson long ago and far away where we can't see it whales.
• 1:39:06
  Are still having babies today. Let's see.
• 1:39:10
  A transition today. Same thing for you David it only
• 1:39:13
  takes place in the imagination, long ago and far away.
• 1:39:17
  Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups.
• 1:39:20
  Let's go ahead. All right.
• 1:39:22
  Thank you for that response. Their cat.
• 1:39:24
  Thank you for the question Jackson.
• 1:39:26
  David will hand it over to you. If you had anything you wanted
• 1:39:28
  to add any point you wanted to make, stop lying.
• 1:39:35
  Alright and we'll hand it back to camp for a final word on that
• 1:39:38
  one. David?
• 1:39:40
  Are you saying I'm lying about the geologic column and the
• 1:39:43
  transitional fossils. Show me why any honest court of
• 1:39:46
  law? Any fossil would count.
• 1:39:48
  Where did I lie? David just to call me a liar and
• 1:39:50
  slapping run your you should be thankful, I'm saved.
• 1:39:53
  Okay, go ahead then went to the next wasn't even lovely
• 1:39:58
  corrected on this by so many people time and time again.
• 1:40:03
  Keep On Moving. Well it was can't question.
• 1:40:08
  So can't have the final word there.
• 1:40:11
  No, no, I'm saying there are no whale transitions.
• 1:40:13
  There is no fossil record. There is no geologic.
• 1:40:14
  Column Jackson I'll debate you again on that if you like I
• 1:40:19
  appreciate it. Alright, next question comes in
• 1:40:21
  from God TV radio live podcast Radio by Brett Keen.
• 1:40:25
  Question for David, got it up on screen.
• 1:40:28
  He says ask David where pain receptors came from and why
• 1:40:32
  please also why do we have met? Males and females why did this
• 1:40:36
  happen? So we're pain receptors come
• 1:40:39
  from. I don't know.
• 1:40:41
  Right off the top of my head I'll have to do some research on
• 1:40:44
  that. Though pain receptors are very
• 1:40:47
  important and organisms and not having the ability to feel pain
• 1:40:54
  would be very detrimental to the organism.
• 1:40:59
  Because pain tells us that something's wrong with our body.
• 1:41:03
  If you don't know that there's something wrong, Then that'll be
• 1:41:07
  bad. So as far as male and females,
• 1:41:12
  that will be a subject for a video coming up.
• 1:41:18
  All right. Over to you, dr.
• 1:41:20
  Hoffman, anything you wanted to add?
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  Well, it was a very excellent question.
• 1:41:23
  If you have a complex organism that is not capable of feeling.
• 1:41:27
  The pain is probably going to die.
• 1:41:30
  So which came first the complexity of the organism or
• 1:41:33
  the ability to feel the pain and respond to it.
• 1:41:35
  You got more than just you know, something's poking me.
• 1:41:38
  Oh wow I feel pain. Something's poking.
• 1:41:40
  We have a reflex. There is an extremely complex,
• 1:41:44
  very amazingly designed system of T-Pain and responding to it
• 1:41:49
  and get and healing system as another whole level in there.
• 1:41:53
  So just to evolve an animal is one step that they can't explain
• 1:41:58
  but then this animal is capable of Reason feeling pain and
• 1:42:01
  responding to it and healing if it gets injured Way.
• 1:42:04
  Beyond complex, I do how they can't get it David.
• 1:42:07
  You've had to explain to you how many times you don't get it.
• 1:42:09
  I know, but go ahead. All right, David over to you.
• 1:42:13
  Question was for you get the last word.
• 1:42:16
  So this is the irreducible the irreducible complexity or
• 1:42:19
  arguments. Unfortunately.
• 1:42:21
  Very disciplined complexity has been falsified.
• 1:42:23
  We have observed, irreducible complexity, traits evolve, such
• 1:42:27
  as what I've presented with HIV complexity can evolve even
• 1:42:33
  stuff. That wouldn't be qualified as
• 1:42:34
  irreducible complexity. So next question, all right.
• 1:42:41
  I think it is wrong to part of that one Donnie.
• 1:42:46
  Sure. Am I on guys wanted to continue
• 1:42:47
  that one. Bit what it do as far as the
• 1:42:49
  male and female. I think it was designed that
• 1:42:51
  way. I think a great job, wonderful
• 1:42:53
  job. I enjoy it.
• 1:42:54
  Thank you. I appreciate the response is
• 1:42:59
  guys. And let me see here, looking
• 1:43:02
  through the questions here. And next one that I'll put up on
• 1:43:05
  screen for you gentlemen. Here comes in from George Bond,
• 1:43:09
  George. I appreciate the question.
• 1:43:11
  This one is for Neff David Neff. How did Luca last Universal
• 1:43:17
  common ancestry ancestor? I should say, give rise to three
• 1:43:21
  different domains of life. If the law of monophyly is not
• 1:43:25
  contradicted. So look up would probably have
• 1:43:31
  been something that would be in before the free domains of life.
• 1:43:36
  That is something that I have not studied though I am working
• 1:43:41
  on a video series when evolutionary biology so that
• 1:43:43
  will be a subject of one of my videos.
• 1:43:46
  So subscribe to my channel. Hit the Bell notification down
• 1:43:49
  below. I have a whole series of
• 1:43:51
  evolutionary biology and the works.
• 1:43:54
  You definitely don't want to miss that.
• 1:43:58
  All right. Thanks for the answer over to
• 1:43:59
  you Kent. I think it's a great question.
• 1:44:02
  I don't think it can be explained, like he said, the law
• 1:44:05
  of monophyly is everything brings forth after its kind.
• 1:44:09
  That's another way of saying what God already said. 20 times.
• 1:44:12
  It is contradicted by their Theory.
• 1:44:14
  The theory of evolution completely contradicts the law
• 1:44:16
  of monophyly by having everything related to a common
• 1:44:19
  ancestor. Not common sense, not
• 1:44:22
  observable, certainly not science.
• 1:44:25
  Okay? All right.
• 1:44:27
  I appreciate She ate it and David question was for you.
• 1:44:29
  So if you want to have a quick final word on that one, go
• 1:44:31
  ahead. Next question.
• 1:44:34
  All right, so this is a Super Chat that comes in from vitória
• 1:44:37
  De Santi. $20 up Chad, I appreciate it.
• 1:44:40
  So she asks, where would the new genetic information come from to
• 1:44:45
  switch a banana to switch from a banana to a whale.
• 1:44:49
  I've already explained why that's not possible.
• 1:44:52
  And I've already explained why that would actually falsify
• 1:44:54
  Evolution. I don't understand why you guys
• 1:44:57
  don't understand. That's so stop lying and stop
• 1:45:01
  straw. Manning our position.
• 1:45:05
  All right. Thank you, David, dr.
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  Robin over to you. Well, I don't see how David
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  doesn't get it. Put the question back up, if you
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  would There is he correct in saying, nobody teaches the
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  banana turn to the whale, but he does believe.
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  And he already said he thinks they have a common ancestor.
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  So let's make up an imaginary common ancestor and call it a
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  bail, okay? Half banana half whale the bail,
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  somehow violated the law of monophyly, and got a whole lot
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  of new genetic information to turn from a bail to a banana or
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  bail to a whale. He does believe they do teach
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  and I showed the charts. They teach all life forms have a
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  common ancestor. So, somewhere along the line,
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  she 2005, and we get there, who 05 somewhere along the line.
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  New information had to be added. They never answer the question.
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  Where's the new information coming from?
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  We're something changed the bail to a whale.
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  What? There's a lot of new information
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  to go from enemy, but this one has the amoeba going to a whale.
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  Okay? I think it's stupid but again,
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  they're welcome to believe that, but it's not science.
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  It's a religious belief. You have David.
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  You should admit it. Stop pretending, stop lying and
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  thinking it is science. It's not go ahead.
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  I think I can't go ahead, David. So if there was a bail in the
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  sign and a on fossil record, if there was actually a bailed and
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  evolution would be false, we would not expect there to be a
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  bail. I think, you know that, come on
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  man, you know, this by now, you know, my dad would falsify a
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  pollution, so you just need to stop lying to your Global
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  audience. Sorry.
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  There's just no nicer way of putting it.
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  Sorry, I was on mute. Okay, so here's the next
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  question comes in from Evolution fairy tale and I'm going to get
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  up on screen here in one second. Okay, here we go.
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  So Evolution a fairy tale question for David so he says
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  investigation, I guess of ancient languages show they were
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  more complex in earlier times and became simpler overtime
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  holds for ancient Latin Greek Hebrew Chinese He's how to fit
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  this in evolutionary theory, I don't understand the question.
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  I don't understand how these to connect with each other
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  Simplicity would be a sign of intelligence.
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  So I just don't understand how that relates to Evolution.
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  So, I mean, I understand the question.
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  All right. I appreciate that.
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  Can't anything you wanted to add to that?
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  Oh yes I think the question is legitimate ancient languages
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  were much more complex, much more variety of words to say
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  things in the days of Shakespeare just three or four
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  hundred years ago, the average person on the street had a
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  working vocabulary of 20,000 words.
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  They knew the meaning of 20,000 words, try to read some
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  Shakespeare stuff. Okay you'll see the vocabulary
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  was incredible that was just 400 years ago today.
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  The average person on the street has a working.
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  Vocabulary for 5,000 words, we have been dumbed down, think we
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  saw an example of it tonight. So, the languages have been
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  decreasing not increasing. There is no example of anything
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  getting more complex, without intelligent input going into it.
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  Not all the cars that are made. If you don't keep fixing them,
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  they're going to break down. All the computers are going to
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  fall apart, break down your house is going to fall if you
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  don't keep fixing it. So, this is an example of what
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  God Said, what happened, everything would tend toward
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  Decay, which is what's happening?
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  It's all going to fall apart. So yes, great, good question.
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  Ancient languages were more complex today.
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  The average kid on the street only has a couple words they
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  know like duh and I don't know. Okay, go ahead.
• 1:49:08
  Thanks buddy. I appreciate you want to go
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  right to the next one. No problem.
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  So this one comes in from Logan Missy act as a five dollar Super
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  Chat. So I got to make sure I ask it a
• 1:49:17
  question is for you, David? So he asks where did life come
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  from? If you don't believe the Big
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  Bang, what is your religion on the origin of Life?
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  Go ahead. So I asked you do accept the Big
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  Bang Theory, as the theory of the development of the universe
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  once again. That's completely irrelevant to
• 1:49:38
  evolutionary biology as far as the emergence of like a
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  biogenesis that is far too complex for a 30-second answer.
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  So you'll have to wait for my video series on evolutionary
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  biology. All right.
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  Thank you for the question and answer their David over to you.
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  Again, this is goes back to what I've been saying.
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  For 20 years, there are six, different meanings and levels to
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  the evolution Theory. They want to start with number 6
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  because they are embarrassed by the first five.
• 1:50:04
  They're not science. They do have to have life come
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  from nonliving material somewhere along the line and
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  they could do have to have that life, learn how to reproduce
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  itself. And other complex, step
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  imaginary step that they take and they do have to have animals
• 1:50:17
  producing something other than their kind, macro-evolution is a
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  religious If it's never observed.
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  So yes. Great question life had to be
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  created by a really smart Creator.
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  I know him personally is my Dad loved them.
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  Go ahead. Thanks for watching response.
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  Okay, so next question comes in from, let me see here, chat to
• 1:50:39
  move in. Crazy-fast here, it's a lively
• 1:50:41
  chat tonight and okay, I've got it up on screen in three.
• 1:50:47
  Two, one Aron Moss $10 Super Chat sft.
• 1:50:52
  He says, question for David. How did animals evolved the
• 1:50:56
  ability to fly? As you complex of the question
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  for a 30-second answer so that's going to be part of my
• 1:51:04
  evolutionary biology Series. So hit the Subscribe button
• 1:51:07
  enabled application of my channel so you can follow along
• 1:51:10
  with that Series right over to you.
• 1:51:14
  Okay? They did not evolve the ability
• 1:51:18
  to fly. They were created.
• 1:51:20
  We have reptiles birds that can fly.
• 1:51:22
  We have insects that can fly have mammals that can fly very
• 1:51:27
  complex flight. Is really complex, ask a pilot.
• 1:51:31
  It's complex it. They did not evolve it was
• 1:51:34
  created. It was designed to do what it
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  does. All right I appreciate it.
• 1:51:41
  Kent David you want me? Go to the next question here?
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  Yeah, next question. Okay, so this one comes in from
• 1:51:47
  Sean ma question for the both of you Sean says stay near future
• 1:51:52
  with another question for both gentlemen.
• 1:51:54
  Are there any fields of science other than biology?
• 1:51:58
  That corroborate evolutionary theory.
• 1:52:01
  David go ahead we can start with you.
• 1:52:04
  So once again you could always say up paleontology.
• 1:52:08
  What Corroborate, the theory of evolution.
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  Tell and thinks I might Put that under my auntie.
• 1:52:16
  I'm not sure but paleontology, certainly cooperates Evolution
• 1:52:20
  physics corroborates, the fact that the Earth is old and I
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  would be very happy to make mr. Kent hovind one limiting factors
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  on the age of the Earth. So I hope he would accept my to
• 1:52:30
  be proposal one dose limiting factors, because I think that we
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  really fun and we see if we see, Other fields in science.
• 1:52:42
  Also contradicting, young Earth, creationism.
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  So yeah. All right over to you cat.
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  Well, I think the question is is invalid is like asking why our
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  elephants Orange? They're not orange.
• 1:53:00
  He's asking, does any other field of science?
• 1:53:02
  Other than biology. Cooperate, Evolution, even
• 1:53:04
  biology, doesn't. So the question is invalid, but
• 1:53:07
  I understand what he's saying. Here, biology does not give any
• 1:53:10
  evidence for evolution. All we've ever observed is frogs
• 1:53:14
  produced frogs and cows produce cows, Etc.
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  That's real honest, biology. What we can observe.
• 1:53:20
  Now, if you wish to imagine long ago and far away, that's not
• 1:53:23
  science anymore or if you wish to find a fossil and say, well,
• 1:53:26
  this change to something else. Why could that fossil do it and
• 1:53:28
  the ones? Is today, can't do it.
• 1:53:30
  That's not science. So there are no other fields of
• 1:53:33
  science, physical science, earth science, nothing called gives
• 1:53:37
  any support to this stupid Evolution theory that we all
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  came from an amoeba which came from a DOT of nothing exploding.
• 1:53:44
  Now there's nothing, nothing no branch of science anywhere.
• 1:53:47
  There's not a shred of scientific evidence to support
• 1:53:49
  the evolution Theory. It's a religious belief, a dumb
• 1:53:53
  one. All right, I appreciate the
• 1:53:55
  responses Jerry Foreman. Here says, this is my favorite
• 1:53:58
  debate so it's definitely been a lively memorable fun one.
• 1:54:02
  So we're gonna have to wind it down here with the last couple
• 1:54:05
  questions here, as I want to respect the time of The
• 1:54:09
  Debaters, we've been going at it for almost two hours.
• 1:54:11
  So this one comes in from Kevin's biblical discussions.
• 1:54:16
  Question for both will get you both involved here.
• 1:54:19
  He says, what are your thoughts on the Ashley Phosphate beds?
• 1:54:23
  Human and dinosaur fossils are found together.
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  Doesn't this prove man and dinosaur coexisted.
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  Go ahead, I am not familiar with this.
• 1:54:38
  I'm not familiar with the Ashley Phosphate beds so that is
• 1:54:41
  something that I'm going to have to research.
• 1:54:42
  I don't know. I'm not familiar with that.
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  All right, I appreciate it over to you.
• 1:54:49
  Okay, sure. I think it is legitimate
• 1:54:51
  however, finding fossils of different kinds together.
• 1:54:58
  Does not prove anything. If all of the layers of we see
• 1:55:01
  of the earth were formed in one big flood in the days of Noah
• 1:55:04
  the shuffling, and sorting would put all kinds of things.
• 1:55:06
  Birds, might end up on top because birds are lighter and
• 1:55:09
  have hollow feathers hollow bones, and they fly to avoid the
• 1:55:11
  flood till the last minute and clams are found at the bottom
• 1:55:14
  because clams are already at the bottom.
• 1:55:16
  When the floods car. Cover this very thoroughly on my
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  video number six, nobody's ever found human and chicken fossils
• 1:55:21
  in the same rock strata. Does that prove humans and
• 1:55:25
  chickens did not live at the same time?
• 1:55:28
  That's the logic they're using. So I would stick by my guns and
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  say, there's no such thing as a geologic column, there's no such
• 1:55:33
  thing as a fossil record. I think I've been to the Ashley
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  Phosphate beds and I think that there are lots of fossils in
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  their trillions of them and they probably have found human and
• 1:55:43
  dinosaurs together in the phosphate bit.
• 1:55:45
  It wouldn't surprise me all animals.
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  Lived at the same time dinosaurs lived with man, they call them
• 1:55:50
  different names and different cultures typically dragons or
• 1:55:52
  something like that but man killed off, most of them.
• 1:55:55
  The Bible says Before the Flood came people live too, Be 900.
• 1:55:59
  There's a lot of historical evidence about the Golden Age of
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  man you shall live to be a thousand.
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  Why? So many legends about the old
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  age. There was true, they did live to
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  be old and reptiles that never stop growing would go to be
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  dinosaurs. They were just normal creatures
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  with Adam and Eve not billions of years ago.
• 1:56:14
  Go ahead. All right I appreciate the
• 1:56:17
  response and I think we'll wind it down with this.
• 1:56:19
  Last question we do have about a thousand questions so we got to
• 1:56:22
  end it somewhere. Where else we can go for the
• 1:56:24
  next 10 hours? So here we go.
• 1:56:26
  Alpha Beta. And for David, I appreciate you.
• 1:56:30
  David being a good sport tonight.
• 1:56:31
  Most questions were for you, so the question is, the transition
• 1:56:34
  from non-life to the simplest possible?
• 1:56:36
  Life is an example of macro-evolution, is what they're
• 1:56:39
  saying here and irreducible complexity.
• 1:56:42
  Where is the evidence? And if you disagree with that
• 1:56:44
  question, of course, feel free to point out.
• 1:56:47
  Why once again long answer for the too long of an answer for a
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  30-second response so weak for my serious one evolution.
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  All right, I guess. Well, I appreciate it.
• 1:57:04
  Go ahead doctor. There is no evidence at all of
• 1:57:10
  any animal producing a different kind of animal, or of Life
• 1:57:12
  coming from nonliving material. It had to be designed had to be
• 1:57:16
  a really smart Creator. There's no evidence of car can
• 1:57:19
  make itself out of an iron ore mine.
• 1:57:22
  There is evidence that man can take the iron ore and turn it
• 1:57:24
  into a car. There is evidence for that.
• 1:57:29
  All right, I appreciate it. And David question was for you
• 1:57:31
  so if you want to have the final word there, nope.
• 1:57:35
  Thank you standing and thinking Mr. Hovind, mr.
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  Of, and I've been really liked you to meet you again.
• 1:57:40
  I hope you would agree to debate me on a different topic.
• 1:57:43
  Maybe we can topic talk about some limiting factors.
• 1:57:46
  When the age of here, I also am interested in doing a debate
• 1:57:50
  one, Messianic prophecies and whole bunch of other stuff.
• 1:57:54
  So I hope you would agree to date me again.
• 1:57:58
  Are you you really want to do that David?
• 1:58:00
  You better go back and watch tonight's first but my answer is
• 1:58:03
  yes. Anytime anytime bring it on.
• 1:58:05
  Yeah I would love to meet that. I love.
• 1:58:07
  I love anyone on almost any topic.
• 1:58:11
  Whoa. All right.
• 1:58:13
  What about David Kent? You know, thank you both for an
• 1:58:18
  epic debate. Tons of fun in the chat with
• 1:58:20
  that a great audience. Very Lively, as I pointed out
• 1:58:23
  we've got about 10 hours worth of questions and we got to wrap
• 1:58:26
  it up somewhere. So Google possible probable puts
• 1:58:29
  a super chat on screen here to dollars.
• 1:58:30
  He says, after show is going down right after the debate,
• 1:58:34
  there's also an after-show over on David Neff channel.
• 1:58:37
  So we got an after show on an evolutionist Channel and a
• 1:58:40
  creationist channel. So there you go should be fun.
• 1:58:42
  So why don't we as we always do and the show with some quick
• 1:58:45
  final words, final Thoughts From The Debaters.
• 1:58:48
  Again, thank you so much Canton. David for giving us your time
• 1:58:52
  for tonight. David over to you, final
• 1:58:54
  thoughts, final words, Once again, thank you, mr.
• 1:58:57
  Hooven? Take the standing.
• 1:58:58
  And once again, we saw that Kent hovind, it is usual stuff, and I
• 1:59:05
  hope that you can do another debates and If you pay me, I
• 1:59:12
  would be very happy to come down to the dinosaur Adventure Land.
• 1:59:16
  I mean, I know you and Steve. I know you pay Steve quite a bit
• 1:59:21
  of money, so I'm sure you guys can easily afford to pay me a
• 1:59:24
  couple of a couple of tens of thousands of dollars in one
• 1:59:26
  down. You let me get this straight.
• 1:59:34
  You know we take in quite a bit of money.
• 1:59:37
  Yes, indeed. And okay, know you and I know I
• 1:59:41
  would gladly so my closing words would be in
• 2:00:09
  the beginning, God created the Heaven and the Earth and you're
• 2:00:11
  going to come judge it again one day and he's pretty mad at you.
• 2:00:13
  David might want to get right with him.
• 2:00:15
  Okay, well, I suppose, all right, I appreciate the final
• 2:00:23
  words, we are going to wrap it up here.
• 2:00:25
  Thank you so much everybody in the chat for joining us.
• 2:00:29
  Solid shot and solid debate. So Kent David, thanks again.
• 2:00:33
  And we'll see you guys at the after Show Thanksgiving in
• 2:00:36
  standing for truth is out. Well, let's just say that the
• 2:00:39
  very weak attempted Haymakers at the very end and like the last,
• 2:00:44
  you know, four sentences that spoke, I mean, turn it all the
• 2:00:46
  way at the very end that was just like the embodiment of the
• 2:00:51
  course of the debate. He was trying to use trying to
• 2:00:55
  throw a Haymaker to make up for the like beating.
• 2:00:57
  He was taking it from, I'm a rhetoric perspective throughout
• 2:01:01
  the entire debate. It was pretty.