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Murder in the Family - Margaret Sumney · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: Evidence is everything. Without evidence, a murderer can walk free
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Speaker 1: without evidence. It's one person's word against another, and without
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Speaker 1: evidence we can be left paranoid and wondering. Some crime
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Speaker 1: cases are left a mystery simply because of the lack
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Speaker 1: of evidence, but in other cases, the evidence is so
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Speaker 1: overwhelming it brings into question very psychology behind everything. Just
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Speaker 1: like in today's case, it simply begs the question, what
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Speaker 1: the actual.
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Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to
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Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast.
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Speaker 3: The following podcast and.
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Speaker 1: Material in your audience listener discretion is eyes. No, not
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Speaker 1: having a beverage today?
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Speaker 2: Sorry, no beverages?
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Speaker 1: You're not having one?
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Speaker 2: Well I don't always.
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Speaker 1: Neither, do I?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you do?
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Speaker 1: Thanks? You just making me sound like an alcoholic Oh boy,
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Speaker 1: I had beer with dinner tonight. We went out for dinner.
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Speaker 2: So we went on a spontaneous date night.
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Speaker 1: Because our power was out, so we were like, instead
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Speaker 1: of just making dinner at home, which we can because
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Speaker 1: we have gas system and stuff, we still could have cooked,
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Speaker 1: we decided to just go for dinner instead because fuck.
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Speaker 2: It, it was nice.
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Speaker 1: It was though.
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Speaker 2: It was a nice little Monday surprise yeah, it was actually.
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Speaker 1: Kind of neat because we're trying to do some more
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Speaker 1: YouTube stuff. We actually have some interesting plans for the podcast,
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Speaker 1: which we'll be kind of talking about in the near future.
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Speaker 1: But anyways, we did a little.
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Speaker 2: Log today, A day in the life.
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Speaker 1: Right, a day in the life living in a tiny
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Speaker 1: home and being entrepreneurs, business owners, podcasters like the whole
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Speaker 1: like it was our day. So we're going to get
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Speaker 1: that log up on YouTube here pretty quick.
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Speaker 2: And in all honesty, it was a pretty normal day
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Speaker 2: for us really. I was, yeah, at the only unnormal well,
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Speaker 2: I was home for most of the day. Usually I'm
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Speaker 2: out shooting, but I didn't have any shoot scheduled today,
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Speaker 2: so it's kind of nice.
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Speaker 1: Yeah touche. But I want to get off this topic
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Speaker 1: really quick because I need to get on the topic
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Speaker 1: of Halloween costumes.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's all Ben talks about all October Halloween.
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Speaker 1: I am undecided what I'm going to dress up as
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Speaker 1: this here.
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Speaker 3: You have a couple ideas, though I do, but there
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Speaker 3: are recycled ideas, and I'm kind of feeling bad about that.
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Speaker 2: You could go hit a value village too and see
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Speaker 2: what they have.
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Speaker 1: I could I mean we're getting a little bit late.
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Speaker 1: I feel I.
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Speaker 2: Think you could still find something though.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure I could, but I don't know. I'm just
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Speaker 1: usually I'm like a month's in in advanced preparation for
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Speaker 1: this kind of thing.
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Speaker 2: So, so your options are a monkey onesie.
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Speaker 1: Yes, A pink lady from Greece. Yeah, because you had
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Speaker 1: that costume, and I might see if I can dig
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Speaker 1: it out and try and.
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Speaker 2: Stuff myself into it. Yeah, if we kept it, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I can always think of something else, so too, I
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Speaker 1: could do like zombie makeup or something, who knows. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So I'll figure something out. But do you know what
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Speaker 1: you're gonna do? Do you even have anywhere to go? Oh?
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Speaker 2: You make it sound like heaven forbid. I would have
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Speaker 2: anywhere to go?
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Speaker 1: Okay, I know you have places to go. Are you
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Speaker 1: able to go to any places? Have you figured that
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Speaker 1: out yet?
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Speaker 3: Oh?
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Speaker 2: I'm unsure. I might be just at home editing weddings fair.
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Speaker 2: We'll see, We'll see.
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Speaker 1: Because there is this fundraiser happening for this, say, a
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Speaker 1: local animal rescue called Good Cause Crow Rescue. A friend
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Speaker 1: of mine, Dana runs it. Shout out to you, Dana
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Speaker 1: or I know you're listening right now. She's got this
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Speaker 1: fundraiser going to kind of help raise some funds for
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Speaker 1: these animals that she just like takes in and everything.
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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be going to that. Yeah, and I
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Speaker 1: got to figure out something to wear for it.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think you should think of something new,
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Speaker 2: something you haven't done.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, something I haven't done.
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Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, all brainstorms. I'll go on Pinterest for you.
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Speaker 1: Do it up. Maybe it just go as Eve or Adam.
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Speaker 1: I'll just wear a leaf. No one needs to see that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like yeah, and then I was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: save that for home mane.
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Speaker 1: There we go, There we go. Maybe the patrons can
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Speaker 1: see it.
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Speaker 2: I don't even know if they'd want to do no.
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Speaker 1: No, I was just trying to think of some sort
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Speaker 1: of transition to talk about Patreon here.
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Speaker 2: It was, it worked, but it didn't.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I did one of anker patrons who signed
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Speaker 1: up this past week to go support us over there.
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Speaker 1: So the amazing people who signed up, And I'm probably
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Speaker 1: gonna butcher this very first name here, but I'm going
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Speaker 1: to do my best. Kenny. I hope I say that right,
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Speaker 1: you guys. And even if you're not on Patreon, trust me,
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Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys too. You're awesome.
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Speaker 2: But that's awesome.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, yes, so so much and so much.
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Speaker 1: I promise you I will not be posting a picture
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Speaker 1: of me wearing nothing but a leaf.
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Speaker 2: As you were reading that, I was just like, gosh, dude,
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Speaker 2: are you trying to get people to sign up or not.
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Speaker 1: Trying to get them to unsubscribe?
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Speaker 2: If you're doing that, you ready for this though, I'm ready.
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Speaker 1: This case is an interesting one. I've never heard of it.
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Speaker 1: I just kind of happened to come across it in
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Speaker 1: my travels and I think it was TikTok, but really
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Speaker 1: we go okay, and I thought it was interesting.
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Speaker 2: So here we are, good old TikTok. Hey. You can
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Speaker 2: learn lots on there, can't you?
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Speaker 1: You definitely can. So I'm actually going to start this
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Speaker 1: one off by reading the a bit of an insert
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Speaker 1: from the victim's obituary. Okay, So Margaret was a beloved mother,
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Speaker 1: proud grandmother, caring sister, and cherished aunt. She was born
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Speaker 1: June twenty eighth, nineteen fifty two, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, to
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Speaker 1: the late John and Ellen Shade. Throughout Margaret's life, she
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Speaker 1: was always had a gift and passion for dance. For
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Speaker 1: many years, Margaret was the co owner and dance instructor
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Speaker 1: with her family at Shade Sisters Dance Studio. And this
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Speaker 1: case is all about Margaret today, Okay, So it's unfortunate.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Margaret sounds like an incredible individual, especially like
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Speaker 1: the Shade Sister's Dance studio, like that right there, it's
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Speaker 1: it's her maiden name, for example. Yeah, in the name
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Speaker 1: of that studio. So it's like a family business, which
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Speaker 1: just even it gets to your heart just that little
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Speaker 1: bit more, you know.
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Speaker 2: So, So I mean, just from hearing that, it sounds
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Speaker 2: as though she was a very family oriented person.
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Speaker 1: She was very, very much so, which makes his case
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Speaker 1: all the worse.
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Speaker 2: Awesome. Yeah, love to hear that.
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Speaker 1: So let's start this out. Margaret lived in South Fayette, Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: It was a nice and hot autumn morning when Margaret's
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Speaker 1: daughter Ellen was making a phone call. Now It was
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Speaker 1: round ten thirty am this morning, and she tried to
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Speaker 1: get a hold of her mother. It was September one,
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 2: Ellen, that's super recent.
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Speaker 1: Definitely is Allan was trying to notify members of the
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Speaker 1: family about the passing of an uncle and the family
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Speaker 1: and she was calling your mom to pass on the
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Speaker 1: terrible news. Yeah. So Alan picked up the phone, diwed
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Speaker 1: her mom's phone number, and it rang and rang and rang.
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Speaker 1: There was no answer. So she decided to continue calling others,
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Speaker 1: and she needed to inform other individuals as well, so
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Speaker 1: she called her half brother David, who was next in
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Speaker 1: the list. She called him and Dialda's number in the
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Speaker 1: phone rang and he picked up on the other end.
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Speaker 1: David was thirty three, and during the conversation, he informed
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Speaker 1: his sister that he was actually at their mother's house.
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Speaker 1: He was at Margaret's house, and she was actually down
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Speaker 1: for a nap, and that's why she didn't answer the phone.
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Speaker 1: She's kind of sleeping right now, unable to answer the
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Speaker 1: phone sort of thing, right, Okay, So Ellen decided, like, okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what, just let her know I phoned and
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Speaker 1: I'll give her call back in a little while too.
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Speaker 1: So that's kind of exactly it. She's like, I'll call
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Speaker 1: her back when she's awake. So she hung up the
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Speaker 1: phone and there we go.
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Speaker 2: No red flag. She just okay, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Later, there was a little bit of a red flag
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Speaker 1: in this situation. She didn't know David was actually in town.
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Speaker 1: David lived out of town. He'd actually recently moved to
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Speaker 1: another town, which isn't exactly odd in itself, but the
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Speaker 1: concerning part, the kind of red flag part, if you will,
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Speaker 1: David in the past had actually been accused of physically
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Speaker 1: abusing their mother several times. Oh yes, and so now
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Speaker 1: he's unexpectedly home alone with her.
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's that would make you feel a bit uneasy,
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Speaker 2: that's for sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So Elle decided, okay, you know whatever, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to call her back in a few hours when she's
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Speaker 1: gonna be awake, right, Yeah, So she dialed the no
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Speaker 1: number again. Phone rings mid afternoon sort of thing. However,
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Speaker 1: the same scenario applied. Her mother didn't answer the phone,
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Speaker 1: but David, however, did and his response didn't change either.
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Speaker 1: He told Ellen that their mother was sleeping and couldn't
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Speaker 1: come to the phone.
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Speaker 2: And this is like out a few hours later or
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Speaker 2: a couple.
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Speaker 1: Hours later, Yeah, exactly. So we're mid afternoon now, right, Okay,
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Speaker 1: So Ellen again did the same thing. Called back in
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Speaker 1: a little while, and shit called back that evening, and
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Speaker 1: again David answered, and he told her the same thing.
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Speaker 1: Their mother was sleeping and she couldn't come answer the phone.
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Speaker 1: It's the same conversation. It seemed like groundhog Day was
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Speaker 1: happening here for Ellen. Ellen finally had enough. It happened
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Speaker 1: over and over again throughout the day. Margaret can't be
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Speaker 1: sleeping this whole time. It's been far too long. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So Ellen kind of got angry at David and hold
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Speaker 1: him quote, if she is still asleep, maybe she needs
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Speaker 1: to go to the hospital. Maybe something's wrong with her.
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Speaker 1: Nobody could possibly sleep that wrong, right, and I mean
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Speaker 1: totally right.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, through the whole day. I mean, unless you know,
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Speaker 2: that's when they normally are sleeping, if there were graveyards
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Speaker 2: or something. But yeah, at this point, I think I
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Speaker 2: would be like heading over.
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Speaker 1: There, Yeah, probably, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I probably would have headed over there after like the
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Speaker 2: maybe even the first one, because I'm just like a
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Speaker 2: little bit nuts, yeah, a little paranoid.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think Ellen is the host of
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Speaker 1: a true crime podcast and has all this yeah, like
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Speaker 1: ingrained in energy shit immediately.
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Speaker 2: I'm not judging her whatsoever you're going over, but I yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm just like my OCD, I'd be there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Ellen knew like she wasn't the only one
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Speaker 1: who is also trying to get a hold of Margaret
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Speaker 1: as well. Many other family members have been calling, you know,
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Speaker 1: with the whole like passing of the uncle sort of
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Speaker 1: fish situation. Yeah, but they were all actually met with
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Speaker 1: the same excuse from David regarding Margaret. Now, sometimes she
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Speaker 1: did explain a little bit further, saying that she had
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Speaker 1: drank too many drinks and took medication with and they
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Speaker 1: didn't mix two well sort of thing.
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, causing her to pass out, which I can understand.
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Speaker 1: But even still, there is a bit of suspicion here,
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Speaker 1: especially considering his history. Right, So this excuse still wasn't
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Speaker 1: enough to explain a day and a half, because that's
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Speaker 1: where we're at now. It was a day and a
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Speaker 1: half later. It wasn't just the one day. The phone
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Speaker 1: calls kept happening the next day.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So a.
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Speaker 1: Day and a half later, this is still not a
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Speaker 1: good enough excuse, and Ellen said, like, something is seriously wrong.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So Ellen called in a wellness check with authorities for
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Speaker 1: her mother. She called the South Fayette Police Department and
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Speaker 1: they quickly sent out some officers to check on her
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Speaker 1: house on Old Orchard Drive. Now, unfortunately, police were unable
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Speaker 1: to get an answer when they knocked at the front
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Speaker 1: door and it appeared like no one was home. So
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Speaker 1: Ellen didn't take the response from authorities too well that
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Speaker 1: you know, quote no one was home, you know very well.
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Speaker 1: She's like, that's not good enough. This is a wellness check.
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Speaker 1: You need to make sure.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And I'm honestly not even sure. Can they
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Speaker 2: just like break in at that point? Like, I have
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Speaker 2: no idea.
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Speaker 1: I think they need reasonable suspicion still even for a
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Speaker 1: wellness check, right, I believe, So don't quote me on that.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure it's different.
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Speaker 2: Different everywhere exactly. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So Ellen's like, something's not right. She should be home.
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Speaker 1: David was answering the phone, saying this excuse, like you
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Speaker 1: need to figure something out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So she continued to call the police, requesting the wellness
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Speaker 1: checks over and over, and she did so approximately two
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Speaker 1: dozen times that day.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yes, because I'm assuming she doesn't live
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Speaker 2: in the same town then, correct.
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Speaker 1: I'm not too certain. I don't know where exactly she lives.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm imagine if she did, she probably would
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Speaker 2: have just gone there.
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Speaker 1: Potentially. Potentially. Yeah, And to be fair, to be fair,
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Speaker 1: authorities weren't just like knocking the door, Oh she's not
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Speaker 1: home and lea like. They were coming and going, like
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Speaker 1: trying again and again, and the whole time Ellen's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we need a wellness check, like you need to make sure,
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Speaker 1: you need to make the contact, you need to figure
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Speaker 1: this out. So authorities are trying, Ellen's trying, and eventually,
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Speaker 1: at eleven forty five that same day, police didn't just
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Speaker 1: knock on the door and assume, you know, no one
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Speaker 1: was home. This time, they forced entry into the home.
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Speaker 1: They were going to connect on this wellness check. They
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Speaker 1: could see something was wrong right away. Everything in the
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Speaker 1: house was in disarray and there were clear signs of
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Speaker 1: a struggle. Police slowly and cautiously made their way through
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Speaker 1: the home, trying to find any signs of Margaret or David.
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Speaker 1: They stepped across the floor, making their way through broken
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Speaker 1: glass everywhere and scattered belongings and began to see blood.
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Speaker 1: There were pools and drops on the floor, there were
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Speaker 1: splatter marks up the walls and smears throughout the house,
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Speaker 1: and police knew they were about to see something absolutely horrific.
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Speaker 1: David was nowhere to be found, but it would be
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Speaker 1: in the upstairs bathroom where they would finally locate Margaret.
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Speaker 1: She was found lifeless, laying folded in the bathtub. She
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Speaker 1: was laying in the bathtub in such an unnatural way
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Speaker 1: that it was clear whoever put her there would have
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Speaker 1: had to completely have broken her back in order to
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Speaker 1: position her in the way that she was found.
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Speaker 2: Jeez.
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Speaker 1: They were clearly dealing with a brutal murder and the
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Speaker 1: investigation quickly ensued.
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Speaker 2: Okay, just how you described that. It's unlike the people,
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Speaker 2: so like the police officers, you know, literally like you're
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Speaker 2: walking through a scene, right, yeah, and it's gusts getting
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Speaker 2: work and worse, and like your whole body, all your
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Speaker 2: senses I think would be like you turn around, like
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Speaker 2: you don't want to see what's coming, but like they
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Speaker 2: have to go and find it like that. That's just
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Speaker 2: I don't know, for some reason, just the way you
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Speaker 2: describe it made me be like.
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Speaker 1: Wow, well, what if the next corner, the next bedroom
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Speaker 1: you approach, someone is in there and they need your help.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you don't know for sure. Maybe they're still alive, right,
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Speaker 2: I guess so if you look at it that way.
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Speaker 2: But oh, I mean, everything in your body would be
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Speaker 2: kind of almost being like run away. But they don't
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Speaker 2: they go find it, yep.
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Speaker 1: Which major props to investigators and authorities like that, because
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Speaker 1: that's that's hard. Oh I couldn't do it, no way,
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Speaker 1: It's incredible what they actually have to do, So props
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Speaker 1: to you guys out there and the ones specifically in
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Speaker 1: this case. They of course found pieces of evidence right
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Speaker 1: away this scene to paint a picture of exactly kind
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Speaker 1: of what occurred, like the blood's bladder, for example, the
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Speaker 1: broken glass, but they also found a lot more evidence
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Speaker 1: than just that. They found three garbage bags on the
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Speaker 1: scene containing several disposed gloves, an almost empty bottle of ammonia,
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Speaker 1: a empty bottle of bleach, a roll of masking tape,
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Speaker 1: and several bloodstained towels.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 1: They were also able to determine that Margaret had suffered
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Speaker 1: not only a broken back, but suffered fractured ribs, laceration
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Speaker 1: on her face, and several contusions across her body. The
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Speaker 1: autopsy report concluded that Margaret Somny had died from blunt
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Speaker 1: forced trauma to her head, neck and body. Essentially, she
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Speaker 1: was beaten to death.
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Speaker 2: And why like David just like hated her that much.
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Speaker 1: Well, we don't know. It's David. I don't you're assuming.
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Speaker 2: I'm assuming here and I could be eating these words,
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Speaker 2: but you won't be, okay, because I'm like, I would
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Speaker 2: be shocked if it was.
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Speaker 1: It's very obvious here who the culprit is. But that's
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Speaker 1: not the mystery of this story. There is so much
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Speaker 1: more to just oh who did it? It's there. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to give shit away. There's just a major
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Speaker 1: what the fucks? Okay, that's fair. Yeah, So Ellen of
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Speaker 1: course heard the news right away. I mean, she's calling
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Speaker 1: authorities on a wellness check, right, and authorities made the connection.
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Speaker 1: They're like, okay, we found your mother. Unfortunately, here's the situation. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and clearly and understandably should be shaken. And eventually she
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Speaker 1: managed to compose herself and she was calling family, David
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Speaker 1: being one of them. So she told David the news.
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Speaker 1: She picked up the phone doubt his number, his phone rang,
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Speaker 1: and when she broke the news to him on the
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Speaker 1: other end, in a very cold response, he simply said, quote,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to give you the wrong answer, Ellen,
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Speaker 1: and I don't blame her because I'm in the exact
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Speaker 1: same boat. Didn't really know how to react to that,
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Speaker 1: so she again told him, you know, our mother was killed.
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Speaker 1: She's dead, and David once again replied, quote, I just
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Speaker 1: don't want to give you the wrong answer.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I feel like I would just lose
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Speaker 2: my shit. Yeah, like I don't know, Oh, okay.
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Speaker 1: Your mother has passed away and has been murdered, and
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Speaker 1: your answer is I don't want to give you the
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Speaker 1: wrong answer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what excuse me? I mean, I'm just waiting to
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Speaker 2: hear more details about things. But like if he maybe
18:27
Speaker 2: has some sort of like mental illness or something, I'm wondering.
18:30
Speaker 1: But well, and like in a situation like that, shock
18:34
Speaker 1: can do a lot to people.
18:35
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true. But then I mean, I'm assuming
18:38
Speaker 2: Ellen is kind of thinking that he potentially did this,
18:41
Speaker 2: So I don't know. Holy shit, holy shit, I feel
18:44
Speaker 2: like this case is going to piss me off. I'm
18:46
Speaker 2: already pissed.
18:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might, and I mean it's not surprising in
18:51
Speaker 1: all honesty, but David would become the police number one
18:54
Speaker 1: suspect that very day in the hunt for where he
18:57
Speaker 1: was now began.
18:59
Speaker 2: You don't say it would be two.
19:01
Speaker 1: Days later, on September fourth, that the police would arrest David.
19:05
Speaker 1: He was attending his uncle's funeral, who had passed away
19:08
Speaker 1: when Allen was originally trying to contact Margaret. Okay, So
19:12
Speaker 1: they found David outside the funeral, and they had he
19:15
Speaker 1: had some interesting things on him at the time. He
19:17
Speaker 1: had a diamond gold necklace, a silver bracelet which both
19:22
Speaker 1: belonged to his mother, three blank checks with his mother's
19:25
Speaker 1: name on it, and his mother's debit card.
19:29
Speaker 4: Oh gosh.
19:31
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's some pretty damning evidence.
19:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, no shit, yup.
19:38
Speaker 1: He had also checked into a nearby hotel for the
19:40
Speaker 1: duration of a stay during the funeral, and the hotel
19:43
Speaker 1: was called the Hotel Indigo Indigo, And in the room
19:46
Speaker 1: they found even more. They found a gun that had
19:49
Speaker 1: belonged to Margaret and also some of her purses. Reportedly,
19:52
Speaker 1: he had also gifted a pearl necklace to one of
19:55
Speaker 1: the hotel staff, saying for a pretty lady from I'm
20:00
Speaker 1: a pretty lady.
20:02
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just I don't even know how to respond
20:05
Speaker 2: to this. This is disturbing.
20:06
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is, It really is. So the evidence
20:10
Speaker 1: is just piling up. Yeah yeah, and I mean like
20:14
Speaker 1: this is some seriously damning evidence. It like it doesn't
20:18
Speaker 1: even compare to what's gonna happen here soon, So just
20:21
Speaker 1: bear with me. But David of course denied any involvement
20:24
Speaker 1: in the death, like any individual like that would. Instead,
20:30
Speaker 1: David tried to point police in another direction, saying maybe
20:32
Speaker 1: it was an accident or maybe it was an overdose,
20:35
Speaker 1: and then once it kind of like, well, the evidence
20:37
Speaker 1: certainly does not point to that, like she had a
20:39
Speaker 1: broken back, well folded in a tub, like there's a struggle,
20:42
Speaker 1: like all this sort of shit. He then said, oh, well,
20:46
Speaker 1: well she was actually seeing a guy. You should go
20:49
Speaker 1: look into him.
20:51
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, this guy. I'm just like pissed right now.
20:56
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm ellen right now and just like living,
21:00
Speaker 2: i'd be losing my mind.
21:01
Speaker 1: Well right so rightfully, so holy heck, so not fooled
21:07
Speaker 1: at all. The police continue their focus on David and
21:11
Speaker 1: when they turned to his cell phone, this is when
21:13
Speaker 1: they found something absolutely disgusting.
21:17
Speaker 2: Okay, what I don't see how much could get worse here?
21:20
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone is ready for what they found
21:22
Speaker 1: on his cell phone. Police found a total sum of
21:27
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy seven photos David had taken of
21:32
Speaker 1: the crime scene, his mother's deceased body, and even some
21:36
Speaker 1: photos that included the act of the murder. One photo
21:42
Speaker 1: in particular showed David taking a selfie, a selfie with
21:48
Speaker 1: his now deceased mother visible next to him while he
21:53
Speaker 1: had her blood smeared across his face, and he has
21:55
Speaker 1: posed giving a thumbs up to the camera.
22:00
Speaker 4: What, yeah, are you serious? Right now?
22:05
Speaker 1: He took a selfie with her body. That's the loot
22:08
Speaker 1: of his face going thumbs up?
22:12
Speaker 4: Is this guy a literal monster?
22:14
Speaker 2: Like? This is his mom? Like like she gave birth
22:17
Speaker 2: to him?
22:17
Speaker 1: Correct?
22:18
Speaker 2: Okay, like legit mom? Okay? Whoa whoa?
22:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I still don't know how to
22:26
Speaker 1: process that information when I first came across it. That's
22:29
Speaker 1: the initial information that I discovered that made me look
22:32
Speaker 1: into this case.
22:33
Speaker 2: Like what, I'm sorry, but like, whoa, I can't imagine,
22:40
Speaker 2: like what would be going on inside of you to
22:43
Speaker 2: be killing your mom for one, and then like literally
22:46
Speaker 2: like posing for a selfie with her dead body with
22:49
Speaker 2: a thumbs up.
22:50
Speaker 1: Yeah. So to put it in perspective too, like you
22:54
Speaker 1: are a professional photographer, Your job is to take photos.
22:59
Speaker 1: It takes a lot of time to take two hundred
23:03
Speaker 1: and seventy selling pictures.
23:04
Speaker 3: Well, not me necessarily break it down for you, a
23:09
Speaker 3: professional who is just snap snap, snap, case snap snap,
23:12
Speaker 3: Like you're taking pictures down near like every other second.
23:15
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fifteen twenty minutes before you hit the
23:18
Speaker 1: three hundred mark.
23:20
Speaker 2: Like, was he was this a prolonged thing where she
23:23
Speaker 2: was just suffering? Because now this is just so cruel.
23:27
Speaker 2: This is brutal.
23:28
Speaker 1: I mean, with all the photos and everything, they were
23:30
Speaker 1: able to paint somewhat of a timeline and know she
23:34
Speaker 1: thankfully was not suffering. The death was one evening sort
23:39
Speaker 1: of thing. She was not tortured per se. Okay, as
23:42
Speaker 1: far as evidence shows, as far as I was able
23:45
Speaker 1: to find researching this.
23:46
Speaker 2: But seriously, like this fucker was getting phone calls from
23:50
Speaker 2: family and basically she was dead. Yeah, and he's just
23:54
Speaker 2: saying that she's asleep, having a nap, yeah, and just
23:58
Speaker 2: lying to everybody. Yeah, okay.
24:01
Speaker 1: Well, amongst those photos, there was also a video, and
24:08
Speaker 1: it's timestamped two forty one September one, and it shows
24:12
Speaker 1: David washing his now mother's lifeless body in the bathtub
24:17
Speaker 1: where she was found.
24:18
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, this.
24:22
Speaker 2: Is just okay.
24:24
Speaker 1: So not only were they able to recover these horrific
24:28
Speaker 1: pieces of evidence, these photos and video, but they were
24:32
Speaker 1: also able to look in the search a history on
24:34
Speaker 1: his phone, and they found while in her house, he
24:39
Speaker 1: was researching things such as, quote, how long does it
24:44
Speaker 1: take before a body starts to decompose? And how long
24:48
Speaker 1: do you wait to dispose of a body?
24:53
Speaker 2: Okay? Can I just ask a question? And I don't
24:55
Speaker 2: even know if you're going to know this, and I
24:57
Speaker 2: don't think it's super important, but I just for some
24:59
Speaker 2: reason curious. Were these photos just like in his fucking
25:03
Speaker 2: gallery or were they like in his deleted folder.
25:06
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure, but I'm assuming they're just
25:10
Speaker 1: in his gallery. I don't think someone with that amount
25:16
Speaker 1: of evidence on their phone, they're not sorting it or
25:20
Speaker 1: storing it properly. It's just fucking.
25:21
Speaker 4: There that's just wild, so beyond fucked that.
25:29
Speaker 2: I okay, you look.
25:31
Speaker 1: Here's the word of the day. Flabbergasted.
25:34
Speaker 2: I really am. It's it's hard to process this one.
25:37
Speaker 2: That is just I mean, okay, sometimes they can kind
25:41
Speaker 2: of under Okay, this is gonna sound so bad. I
25:44
Speaker 2: can kind of like sometimes understand I don't even think
25:48
Speaker 2: I can say this, but like people murdering it kind of.
25:51
Speaker 1: There's there's mental disorders and things that take place that
25:55
Speaker 1: you can wrap your mind around, or people being.
25:57
Speaker 2: That angry or whatever, but to literally like to be
25:59
Speaker 2: like documenting the whole thing on your phone like that
26:02
Speaker 2: and it's your mom.
26:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Well, there's cases on crime where
26:06
Speaker 1: there's motive, there's cases on crime where there's psychological things whatever.
26:10
Speaker 1: But then there's cases with crime where it's just senseless
26:14
Speaker 1: and no matter how you look at it, you just
26:16
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. Why how like none of it
26:20
Speaker 1: makes sense? And this is one of those cases. In
26:27
Speaker 1: just three months following David's arrest, the County District Attorney's
26:31
Speaker 1: offices proposed a plea deal, and three years later, in
26:36
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, David did exactly that. He pled guilty
26:41
Speaker 1: to third degree murder in connection to his mother's death. So,
26:46
Speaker 1: in August seventeenth, twenty twenty two, David entered this deal
26:52
Speaker 1: in the courtroom, and his plea bargain resulted in the
26:55
Speaker 1: dropping of all other charges against him, all charges against
27:02
Speaker 1: him for third degree murder, other charges such as first
27:07
Speaker 1: degree murder, desecration of a corpse for example, you know,
27:10
Speaker 1: potential torture, break an entry, all these things.
27:13
Speaker 2: When they had so much evidence. Why are they doing that?
27:16
Speaker 2: What are they needing from him?
27:18
Speaker 1: I don't know.
27:20
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you're kidding me.
27:22
Speaker 1: In a deal with them, they say, if you plead guilty,
27:25
Speaker 1: we'll give you third degree murder and drop all other charges.
27:28
Speaker 2: And like, third degree murder, what is he going to get?
27:31
Speaker 2: Is he op? Now?
27:32
Speaker 1: Well, third degree murder is exactly what the result was.
27:36
Speaker 1: He was found guilty on the third degree murder. You're
27:39
Speaker 1: kidding me, but I mean this left him with only
27:42
Speaker 1: a maximum a possible maximum sentence of forty years maximum
27:47
Speaker 1: that was the possibility. Now, during the trial, a medical
27:52
Speaker 1: expert testified that David's mental capacity was significantly impaired at
27:56
Speaker 1: the time of his mother's killing due to the consumption
27:59
Speaker 1: of quote extremely high doses of adderall aka, he was
28:02
Speaker 1: on drugs. Okay, so he wasn't with it because he
28:07
Speaker 1: was on drugs. It's essentially what it is. So David
28:11
Speaker 1: was handed a twenty year sentence and they allowed him
28:14
Speaker 1: to avoid all these other severe charges.
28:17
Speaker 2: Okay. I just had to look up because I was like,
28:19
Speaker 2: what exactly is third degree murder? Like I just couldn't remember,
28:21
Speaker 2: so like.
28:22
Speaker 1: The specific definition.
28:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, if someone intends to harm only but accidentally kills
28:27
Speaker 2: a person. Yeah, like it was an accident basically, Okay, Okay,
28:31
Speaker 2: it's often called manslaughter, okay, because that's what I was like,
28:35
Speaker 2: is that what that is?
28:36
Speaker 4: That is not enough?
28:38
Speaker 1: No, not enough at all.
28:40
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I can't comprehend why when they had
28:43
Speaker 2: so much to put him away forever?
28:46
Speaker 1: Really yeah, but for whatever reason they let him make
28:51
Speaker 1: that They suggested this plea deal, and they went along
28:54
Speaker 1: with it with them, which does not make any fucking
28:57
Speaker 1: sense to me, which pisss me off so much.
29:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, eight twenty years is not enough for what he did.
29:05
Speaker 1: No, So, the crimes David committed against his own mother,
29:09
Speaker 1: Margaret was unfortunately not the first sign that he was
29:13
Speaker 1: capable of such things. So we've gone over David's crime
29:16
Speaker 1: against his mother and his resulting sentence from it. However,
29:22
Speaker 1: there is a history, and we're going to talk about
29:25
Speaker 1: that now.
29:26
Speaker 2: So the fact that there's a history means that they
29:29
Speaker 2: definitely should not like he needs to be gone for longer, yes,
29:34
Speaker 2: because he's going to come out and probably do it again.
29:37
Speaker 1: Probably So. His sister Ellen, as we talked about earlier,
29:41
Speaker 1: recalled an incident from when David was only five years
29:44
Speaker 1: old five now. She remembers being fifteen at the time
29:47
Speaker 1: and upstairs in her room when all of a sudden,
29:49
Speaker 1: throughout the house she heard her mother screaming at the
29:53
Speaker 1: top of her lungs. So she rushed to go see
29:56
Speaker 1: what was going wrong, and apparently it was David. At
30:00
Speaker 1: the time. He had a friend over and he and
30:02
Speaker 1: his friend had just killed a bird and Margaret had
30:05
Speaker 1: just found it in the home. So Margaret was horrified
30:10
Speaker 1: and screaming what she found, and she told David, quote,
30:13
Speaker 1: this is what serial murderers do.
30:17
Speaker 2: Uh huh. Could they do something weird to the bird
30:20
Speaker 2: other than just kill it? That's all I know, okay,
30:24
Speaker 2: but still that's how it starts. Like, yes, like practicing
30:28
Speaker 2: on animals or whatever.
30:30
Speaker 1: Now some situations that I found, they're talking about it
30:33
Speaker 1: being a baby bird. Oh my gosh, but yeah, they
30:36
Speaker 1: killed it. I some heard without evidence, they were talking
30:40
Speaker 1: about torturing of the bird. But all they could find
30:43
Speaker 1: was he killed a bird.
30:44
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean at five that it depends. I mean
30:49
Speaker 2: if it was an accent or whatever. But this does
30:51
Speaker 2: not seem like it would have been.
30:52
Speaker 1: No, this was intentional. Now, his history isn't just painted
30:57
Speaker 1: to the memories of you know, their home, either their
31:00
Speaker 1: legitimate court documents and arrest records that showed David had
31:04
Speaker 1: a history with the law and violence. So his first
31:09
Speaker 1: as I kind of already mentioned, with the abuse his mother, Right,
31:12
Speaker 1: So his first incident was in April of twenty eleven,
31:15
Speaker 1: when he was arrested for a DUI. Three years later,
31:20
Speaker 1: in June of twenty fourteen, David would again be arrested,
31:24
Speaker 1: but this time on harassment charges. I couldn't clarify who
31:27
Speaker 1: those harassment charges were on. Two months later after that,
31:32
Speaker 1: he then was charged with assaulting his mother. In June
31:36
Speaker 1: of twenty fifteen, David was charged with aggravated assault, public drunkenness,
31:41
Speaker 1: disorderly conduct, and harassment for allegedly beating up his seventy
31:46
Speaker 1: one year old father, David Lee Sumney Senior. Sorry. This
31:51
Speaker 1: incident had began simply over a debate with some vacation scheduling,
31:56
Speaker 1: when David snapped, pinned his father against the front door
31:59
Speaker 1: of the house, and became striking him in the face.
32:02
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, a seventy one year old man.
32:04
Speaker 2: That's terrifying.
32:07
Speaker 1: A year later, on November twenty sixteen, David again was
32:11
Speaker 1: charged with assaulting his mother. David was reportedly drunk and
32:14
Speaker 1: began violently assaulting Margaret. He kicked her and grabbed her
32:18
Speaker 1: by the neck while striking her. There were also notes
32:22
Speaker 1: in the file that reported he quote picked her up
32:25
Speaker 1: around the chest area and squeezed her, causing severe pain
32:28
Speaker 1: below her breast area, while he stated this is how
32:32
Speaker 1: we do it in the Navy seals. It's important to
32:35
Speaker 1: note that there is no record of David ever being
32:38
Speaker 1: in the Navy. The Navy even looked into their system.
32:41
Speaker 1: He never existed in it whatsoever.
32:44
Speaker 2: She was probably terrified of him, Oh she was. Yeah.
32:49
Speaker 1: Another assault incident against Margaret saw her write a letter
32:53
Speaker 1: asking for some temporary protection from her son. Now In
32:59
Speaker 1: this incident, he reportedly punched her in the face and
33:02
Speaker 1: again squeezed her torso. At the end of the incident,
33:05
Speaker 1: while Margaret was able to escape the house, she ran
33:08
Speaker 1: to the neighbors for help, and David reportedly shouted to
33:11
Speaker 1: her as she ran away, quote, I'll get you next time.
33:16
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Okay, this is unreal. I am just
33:21
Speaker 2: flabbergasted that they let him have a plea with all this.
33:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes no sense.
33:27
Speaker 2: It makes absolutely no sense. There has to be more,
33:31
Speaker 2: something we are not aware of, because it just doesn't
33:33
Speaker 2: make any sense.
33:33
Speaker 1: It doesn't because these, like I said, these are criminal documents. Yeah,
33:38
Speaker 1: these are assault charges filed. This isn't hearsay. These are
33:42
Speaker 1: things on his fucking record.
33:45
Speaker 2: And then literally every single piece of evidence that they
33:48
Speaker 2: had for her murder.
33:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I just said this quote quote I'll get
33:53
Speaker 1: you next time, That is on documents before she was killed.
33:58
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and they literally just lowered it to
34:01
Speaker 2: a third degree.
34:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is bizarre.
34:06
Speaker 1: Sounds like first premeditated to me.
34:08
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, he hated her for
34:11
Speaker 2: some very odd reason.
34:13
Speaker 1: So through all these incidents, David was never convicted of
34:17
Speaker 1: a felony. All the charges that were laid against him
34:21
Speaker 1: were either downgraded big surprise, because we've already seen that happen,
34:26
Speaker 1: or David pleaded to a misdemeanor instead, basically the same
34:29
Speaker 1: as last pleaded to a downgraded charge. Right. Margaret, though,
34:34
Speaker 1: had a heart of gold, and even though her son
34:37
Speaker 1: was violent towards her, and even though she was terrified
34:40
Speaker 1: of him, she still loved him and was in the
34:43
Speaker 1: court looking for pleas of leniency towards him. So she
34:47
Speaker 1: was still on his side trying to fight for leniency.
34:49
Speaker 2: Thanks for that. That's so sad. It is my heart
34:54
Speaker 2: just broke into a million pieces.
34:57
Speaker 1: So basically as a result of this, he never was
35:00
Speaker 1: more than eight months in confinement, and I couldn't clarify
35:03
Speaker 1: what confinement means, whether it's house to rest or what
35:07
Speaker 1: and probation for all those charges.
35:10
Speaker 2: Wow, And she probably just believed in him so much
35:14
Speaker 2: that he'll get better, we'll get through this problem. And
35:18
Speaker 2: then it led to her desk.
35:20
Speaker 1: Yep, because he's such a piece of shit.
35:24
Speaker 2: There has to be more like he has to have
35:26
Speaker 2: some sort of mental illness in my opinion, because I
35:30
Speaker 2: just don't think that someone who's of sane mind would
35:33
Speaker 2: kill their mom.
35:34
Speaker 1: Well, then if he does, I don't know why he's
35:36
Speaker 1: not in some sort.
35:37
Speaker 2: Of getting psychiatric care. Yeah, he needs to maybe be
35:42
Speaker 2: getting some help of sorts.
35:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, but as far as I can tell, he's not.
35:45
Speaker 1: He's just behind bars for twenty years.
35:47
Speaker 2: And because someone like this, I feel like in twenty years,
35:51
Speaker 2: I just I can't envision them changing.
35:53
Speaker 1: No, which is a big problem with any sort of
35:55
Speaker 1: imprisonment system in North America. It's just put people.
35:59
Speaker 2: Away because I think, I do really think some people
36:03
Speaker 2: can change, but they have to be remorseful. And the
36:08
Speaker 2: fact that he did this over and over, I just
36:10
Speaker 2: I can't envision him changing. He's going to come out
36:14
Speaker 2: and do something.
36:14
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, I think so, yep.
36:18
Speaker 2: Which is very helpless feeling.
36:22
Speaker 1: Oh is it ever?
36:23
Speaker 4: Yeah?
36:24
Speaker 1: So, as I did mention though, Margaret, she cared for
36:28
Speaker 1: her son, but she was still very much so terrified
36:31
Speaker 1: for her own safety. She knew what David was capable of.
36:36
Speaker 1: She eventually went and purchased a gun specifically to protect
36:40
Speaker 1: herself against her abusive son, the one that he had,
36:44
Speaker 1: the one that he had stolen. Yes. Now, unfortunately, David's
36:49
Speaker 1: family weren't the only victims of David's violent past. In
36:56
Speaker 1: August of twenty eighteen, David had met a woman online
37:00
Speaker 1: who we will call Tina. Okay, so Tina never had
37:05
Speaker 1: any inclination that anything was off about him, to put
37:08
Speaker 1: it in her own words, that's a quote from her, okay.
37:11
Speaker 1: And she attributed you know, much of the odd behavior,
37:15
Speaker 1: kind of the kind of strangeness from them once in
37:17
Speaker 1: a while to the supposed quote Navy seal training that
37:20
Speaker 1: he had talked about.
37:21
Speaker 2: Right, my gosh, the fact that he's lying about that
37:23
Speaker 2: is also makes me so angry.
37:26
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the two were on and off for several months,
37:30
Speaker 1: they kind of, you know, seeing each other a bit
37:32
Speaker 1: and not and blah blah blah. They decided to take
37:35
Speaker 1: a five day beach vacation together to Atlantic City in
37:38
Speaker 1: July of twenty nineteen. It was a fun trip, sure,
37:42
Speaker 1: but the intent was mostly to test the waters of
37:45
Speaker 1: a potential relationship with them with each other. Right, Okay,
37:48
Speaker 1: we're on and off a little bit. Is there anything
37:50
Speaker 1: actual real here? Could we actually be a couple? That's
37:52
Speaker 1: kind of the gist of this trip. So it was
37:56
Speaker 1: on this trip that David would show his true colors
38:00
Speaker 1: to Tina. Now, to quote Tina again, quote the first
38:06
Speaker 1: time he physically hit me was in the hotel room.
38:09
Speaker 1: I was like, holy shit, and my mind just went
38:12
Speaker 1: into survival mode, just figuring out ways to keep the
38:16
Speaker 1: situation calm, to avoid getting hurt again, just keep everything cool,
38:21
Speaker 1: calm and collected. So Tina managed to calm the situation
38:26
Speaker 1: down and they went on with their vacation. Then a
38:30
Speaker 1: few days later, shit would hit the fan. David, for
38:34
Speaker 1: one reason or another, became irate in the hotel room
38:38
Speaker 1: once again and began assaulting and torturing her in the
38:42
Speaker 1: hotel room.
38:43
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, he.
38:44
Speaker 1: Would choke Tina until she passed out.
38:47
Speaker 2: Holy shit, she's lucky, she's alive.
38:49
Speaker 1: Oh just wait. He would beat her in the face repeatedly,
38:54
Speaker 1: and then he even went as far as waterboarding her
38:57
Speaker 1: in the bathroom.
38:59
Speaker 2: What does that mean again?
39:00
Speaker 1: So waterboarding, if you're not familiar with it, it's an
39:03
Speaker 1: individual is laid down. It's an ancient form of torture. Okay,
39:07
Speaker 1: you put a well, I don't know if it's ancient,
39:09
Speaker 1: but it's an old form of torture. They lay you
39:11
Speaker 1: on your back and they put a cloth over your
39:13
Speaker 1: face and they run water over it, essentially drowning you,
39:19
Speaker 1: like to the brink of death, and then they give
39:22
Speaker 1: you a gasp of air and do it again, over
39:25
Speaker 1: and over and over.
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Speaker 2: That is so terrifying.
39:30
Speaker 1: If you're wanting to know what waterboarding is even close
39:32
Speaker 1: to being, like, while you're still safe, just put a
39:35
Speaker 1: face cloth over your face that's wet and try to
39:37
Speaker 1: breathe and then imagine water being poured over on top
39:42
Speaker 1: of it. Oh my gosh, it's wild. So he was
39:47
Speaker 1: doing this to her, and she was rightfully so terrified, yes,
39:51
Speaker 1: and was at his mercy to make things even worse.
39:55
Speaker 1: He wasn't just harming her physically, but he was playing
39:59
Speaker 1: intense psychological games with her as well as he was
40:02
Speaker 1: threatening to end her life. He said things like this quote,
40:08
Speaker 1: how do you want your body to be found in
40:10
Speaker 1: the bathroom from an overdose? Or would you like your
40:12
Speaker 1: body to just disappear?
40:17
Speaker 2: I can't do this anymore.
40:19
Speaker 4: This case is.
40:20
Speaker 1: Just this guy is fucked up. Yes, fuck this David dude.
40:25
Speaker 1: He is an absolute douche canoe.
40:27
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, he is more than that. And the
40:31
Speaker 2: fact that he is just getting away with this stuff
40:33
Speaker 2: is making me just irate, Like I feel like I
40:38
Speaker 2: need to release some angry anger here.
40:42
Speaker 1: Please don't hurt me.
40:43
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna hurt you. But this man, is, this monster,
40:47
Speaker 2: is making me just pissed.
40:49
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he is. He's a fucking.
40:50
Speaker 2: Monster, disgusting piece of shit.
40:53
Speaker 1: So Tina was, like I said, at the mercy of
40:56
Speaker 1: this disgusting piece of shit in the hotel room alone. Luck, however,
41:01
Speaker 1: was on her side in this situation. Though if you
41:04
Speaker 1: can call it luck, I guess I mean it's a
41:06
Speaker 1: stroke of luck.
41:07
Speaker 2: Well, I'm shocked that she got out of this alive.
41:10
Speaker 1: It was the very day that they were supposed to
41:12
Speaker 1: check out, and they had missed their checkout time. Okay,
41:17
Speaker 1: so a staff member from the hotel had come up
41:20
Speaker 1: to the room to check on them.
41:21
Speaker 2: Okay, someone was doing their job.
41:23
Speaker 1: I like this, Yes, And this gave Tina an opportunity
41:26
Speaker 1: to sprint out of the fucking room. And she ran
41:29
Speaker 1: to an adjacent room that the door happened to be open,
41:32
Speaker 1: and she got in there, slammed the door behind her,
41:35
Speaker 1: and began to scream, He's going to kill me, He's
41:38
Speaker 1: going to kill me.
41:39
Speaker 2: The gosh that is just heartbreaking.
41:43
Speaker 1: Isn't it. I am so happy she got the fuck
41:46
Speaker 1: out of there, though.
41:46
Speaker 2: Holy the fact that she did is a little bit
41:50
Speaker 2: of a miracle, really, yeah, because like, well, I mean,
41:53
Speaker 2: she would have had to, because what she endured and
41:57
Speaker 2: then she still lived shows how strong she is too.
42:03
Speaker 1: And honestly, she went through an interviewed and talked about
42:08
Speaker 1: this too to news sources. These quotes I got from
42:11
Speaker 1: her are from her interviews. Wow, So good on her
42:15
Speaker 1: for having that strength, because being able to talk about
42:18
Speaker 1: that stuff is oh to help other people.
42:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it also shows how strong she is too
42:23
Speaker 2: in that sense, because that would be very hard to
42:25
Speaker 2: talk about.
42:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. So I mean, of course, local
42:29
Speaker 1: authorities with this situation, someone's screaming, he's gonna fucking kill me, right,
42:33
Speaker 1: They were called immediately and police issued an arrest warrant
42:38
Speaker 1: right away for David. However, David was able to evade
42:43
Speaker 1: the authorities.
42:44
Speaker 2: Okay, because yeah, the date situation was just going in
42:47
Speaker 2: my head. That was twenty eighteen. He killed his mom
42:50
Speaker 2: the next year. He should be in fucking jail, like
42:54
Speaker 2: he shouldn't have been able to kill his mom.
42:55
Speaker 1: Well, the main reason he was able to avoid authorities
42:58
Speaker 1: in this incident. Was he left the hotel before authorities
43:02
Speaker 1: got there, right, like he just ditched?
43:04
Speaker 2: Oh gosh?
43:05
Speaker 1: Okay, And his name was never entered into the National
43:10
Speaker 1: Crime Information Center, which basically meant, I mean, he's a
43:14
Speaker 1: wanted individual. There's a warrant out for his arrest, immediate arrest, right,
43:19
Speaker 1: But this basically meant that the moment he left state
43:21
Speaker 1: to go back home, no authorities outside the state of
43:24
Speaker 1: New Jersey knew he was a wanted criminal because he
43:27
Speaker 1: wasn't registered in this fucking National Crime Information Center.
43:31
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
43:34
Speaker 1: Now, eventually, after the murder of his mother, David was
43:40
Speaker 1: charged in connection to this incident in twenty twenty. That's
43:43
Speaker 1: too late, definitely, I mean, thankfully he was charged, but still, yes,
43:47
Speaker 1: too little, too late. And in this incident he was
43:51
Speaker 1: charged including aggravated assault, terroristic threats for threatening immediate death,
43:56
Speaker 1: and criminal restraint. Though I was unable to find the
43:59
Speaker 1: result of this trial, and I was actually unable to
44:02
Speaker 1: even confirm if that trial had taken place yet, so
44:05
Speaker 1: he may still be on trial for that coming.
44:07
Speaker 2: Soon, Okay, So that's good. He may end up hopefully
44:11
Speaker 2: maybe getting more time. But then I'm just like, huh,
44:14
Speaker 2: I wonder if the plea thing was, like, oh, but
44:17
Speaker 2: him killing his mom is weight like, not that it
44:19
Speaker 2: was bad what he did to Tina, but his mom.
44:21
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, well he actually took a life. Yees.
44:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
44:25
Speaker 1: Now, I was able to find one more thing regarding
44:30
Speaker 1: the potential trial or the trial that may have occurred
44:32
Speaker 1: or whatever. I was able to find one thing. Reportedly
44:36
Speaker 1: he has also entered a plea for those charges as well.
44:40
Speaker 2: Oh see, my brain right now is just going a
44:43
Speaker 2: mile minute because I'm trying to justify shit.
44:46
Speaker 1: But you can't.
44:46
Speaker 2: But I just I can't.
44:48
Speaker 1: None of this can be justified as far as I'm concerned.
44:50
Speaker 1: It's fucking bullshit.
44:51
Speaker 2: It's going to be keeping us up at night.
44:53
Speaker 1: Yeah it yeah, I don't know. I don't get it.
44:58
Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense.
44:59
Speaker 1: No, it makes absolutely no sense, like zero fucking none.
45:03
Speaker 1: And apparently okay, there was also an incident apparently about
45:06
Speaker 1: a week prior to him assaulting his mother and taking
45:10
Speaker 1: her life. I think it was in late August. I
45:14
Speaker 1: haven't my notes here. August twenty fourth, he was given
45:18
Speaker 1: a just a citation outside of Pittsburgh after punching a
45:22
Speaker 1: lift driver.
45:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what a winner. This guy is about as
45:28
Speaker 2: scum as again.
45:29
Speaker 1: Hey, yep. So to finish off this case, I wanted
45:34
Speaker 1: to read a quote from David's half sister Ellen. Oh boy,
45:38
Speaker 1: and this is taken directly from the courtroom quote. There
45:43
Speaker 1: were so many instances for David to be stopped in
45:46
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen alone, and yet he was able to slip
45:49
Speaker 1: through the cracks. Again. He is a Ted Bundy type,
45:53
Speaker 1: you know. He is manipulative, charismatic and is able to
45:57
Speaker 1: manipulate people. He is also a sociopath who is capable
46:02
Speaker 1: of murder.
46:05
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
46:06
Speaker 4: That's haunting, isn't it.
46:08
Speaker 2: And that's probably I mean because he is twenty years
46:11
Speaker 2: right yep? Do you do you know how around how
46:15
Speaker 2: old he is?
46:16
Speaker 1: He was thirty three at the time. Oh shit, So
46:19
Speaker 1: he's going to get out at least when he's fifty three. Yeah,
46:25
Speaker 1: plenty of life still love.
46:26
Speaker 2: That is so much more time to do a lot
46:28
Speaker 2: of damage.
46:29
Speaker 1: I mean, he might get parole. I don't know if
46:30
Speaker 1: there's going to be any additional charges for the incident
46:32
Speaker 1: with his ex girlfriend.
46:34
Speaker 2: We can only hope, We can only hope, I guess
46:37
Speaker 2: at this point.
46:37
Speaker 1: But honestly, as far as the court sees, it was
46:43
Speaker 1: just assault and uttering threats really for what against Tina?
46:48
Speaker 1: Against Tina, I'm saying, I'm playing devil's advocate here. As
46:51
Speaker 1: far as the court may look at it, especially if
46:54
Speaker 1: they're taking a plea deal that's attempted murder, he may
46:58
Speaker 1: only get just like aggravated. It's all charges for it
47:01
Speaker 1: and maybe a few months tacked on because of a
47:04
Speaker 1: plea deal. Like you see what I mean, he's pleading guilty. Yeah,
47:06
Speaker 1: so he's probably gonna get a lesser sentence, which is
47:09
Speaker 1: fucked up because like you said, yeah, you damn your
47:12
Speaker 1: like he tried to fucking murder her.
47:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like honestly that should have been dealt with
47:17
Speaker 2: and then like his mom would still be alive. Yeah,
47:20
Speaker 2: just saying that is so this case. Thanks a lot.
47:24
Speaker 2: I am just fucking pissed right now, rightfully.
47:28
Speaker 1: So, I mean I was angry several times in researching this.
47:34
Speaker 1: I kept getting to the point with like, Okay, here's
47:35
Speaker 1: the case, here's the information, and then here's another piece
47:38
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait, what the fuck?
47:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, that's unreal, unreal. I mean, and any life
47:47
Speaker 2: is a life, but it's just on it's it's hard
47:50
Speaker 2: to comprehend too, that it was his own mom. Yeah,
47:54
Speaker 2: who sounds like she was kind of amazing.
47:56
Speaker 1: She was. She literally was in the court. She's terrified
47:59
Speaker 1: for her her own life, to the point where she's
48:01
Speaker 1: buying a gun for her own safety against his individual.
48:04
Speaker 2: Yet she still wants him to be protected.
48:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's in the court trying to get a lesser
48:08
Speaker 1: charge for him. Hmmm, Like that is a fucking golden
48:14
Speaker 1: hearted woman right there.
48:15
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and you have to wonder why why would
48:17
Speaker 2: he even want to do that to her? Then?
48:19
Speaker 1: I don't know.
48:21
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, okay, holy moly.
48:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, huh so that's uh the story of Margaret Summoners. Yeah,
48:31
Speaker 1: and her piece of shit son, David Summoners.
48:34
Speaker 2: He definitely isn't relationship material, because don't they what's the
48:37
Speaker 2: saying that how a man treats his mom is how
48:41
Speaker 2: he'll also like treat his wife.
48:43
Speaker 1: Yeah.
48:44
Speaker 2: You know, so this guy if he ever ends up
48:46
Speaker 2: in a relationship, like, dear.
48:48
Speaker 1: God, please, I really hope he doesn't.
48:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not going to end well.
48:52
Speaker 1: No, So hopefully you guys are able to process this
48:56
Speaker 1: better than Nicole, because I'm looking at her right now
48:59
Speaker 1: and her face is just like confusion anger, And I
49:03
Speaker 1: think she might take it out on me because she's
49:07
Speaker 1: pissed off that I put her through.
49:09
Speaker 2: Oh right, gosh, you're just you're trying to make people
49:11
Speaker 2: worried about your safety now maybe gosh, no, you don't
49:16
Speaker 2: need to be.
49:16
Speaker 1: Worried about my safety. Nicole will not I know that,
49:19
Speaker 1: but she may be mad at me for a few days.
49:21
Speaker 2: Well, I just I have a lot of thinking to do.
49:25
Speaker 2: This is it's just.
49:27
Speaker 1: Well, I've been thinking on this case for about a
49:29
Speaker 1: week now and I have yet to come up to
49:32
Speaker 1: any sort of conclusion that that can make sense of it.
49:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's nothing.
49:37
Speaker 1: So No, there really isn't so.
49:40
Speaker 2: I mean it was a good case like you presented it. Well,
49:42
Speaker 2: it was good for us to learn of this, I suppose,
49:46
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49:49
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