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139. [North Carolina] A Deadly American Marriage · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to bless This Messa, the drue Grund Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: This week we are going to North Carolina. We actually
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  Speaker 1: watched the Netflix documentary A Deadly American Marriage and so
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  Speaker 1: into this week's case. On August second, two thousand and five,
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  Speaker 1: a nine one one call comes in from Tom Martin's
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  Speaker 1: and he's saying that he needs help. He's telling the
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  Speaker 1: nine one one operator that his daughter's husband.
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  Speaker 2: Not his son in law, not his son.
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  Speaker 1: There's a little bit of love lost here. Yes, you'll see,
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  Speaker 1: got into a fight with her and he and so
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  Speaker 1: Tom goes in. The father comes in and intervenes and
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  Speaker 1: hit him in the head with a baseball bat and
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  Speaker 1: he couldn't tell. They say, is he breathing and everything?
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  Speaker 1: And he said he can't tell. So police head to
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  Speaker 1: the home of Jason and Molly Corbett in Meadowlands, North Carolina. Now,
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  Speaker 1: upon entering the home, the master bedroom was a complete mess.
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  Speaker 1: There was blood everywhere on the walls, the carpet, everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was a very bloody scene.
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty graphic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the people. Yeah. And the police officer said,
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  Speaker 1: this is one of the worst scenes she's ever encountered.
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  Speaker 1: So they take Mollie and Tom to the police station
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  Speaker 1: and they interview them on what you know, what happened. Well,
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  Speaker 1: Mollie tells police that she woke up to take care
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  Speaker 1: of their daughter who had had a nightmare. Well, with
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  Speaker 1: the daughter waking up, crying and everything in her, she
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  Speaker 1: woke up to go help her. This woke up Jason,
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  Speaker 1: and he became angry and began choking her. So that
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  Speaker 1: escalated real fast.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, supposedly he woke me up to pay for it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, woke me up over our daughter having a nightmare
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, and then all of a sudden, he's just
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  Speaker 1: like decided he's gonna start choking her and get into it. Well, Tom,
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  Speaker 1: the father in law, he says that he heard a
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  Speaker 1: thumping above him because they were down in the I
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  Speaker 1: guess it was like a converted basement. So when he
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  Speaker 1: hears all this, he grabs a baseball bat and he
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  Speaker 1: heads up the stairs because he's gonna go check it
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  Speaker 1: out and see what's going on. Well, he he notices
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  Speaker 1: the noises are coming from the bedroom, so he walks
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  Speaker 1: into the bedroom and he sees Jason choking Mollie. So
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  Speaker 1: he takes the bat and he hits him with the
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  Speaker 1: baseball bat.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who wouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, somehow, Jason, this is them telling the story. So
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  Speaker 1: somehow Jason is able to get the bat. So Mollie says,
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  Speaker 1: she picked up a brick that was on her nightstand,
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  Speaker 1: and we will talk about how the brick got there,
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  Speaker 1: because again, that's an odd thing to happen. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: a big brick, like a gardening brick, one of those big,
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  Speaker 1: ugly gray ones that you put, you know, around your mailbox,
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  Speaker 1: like a border for a flower garden or something. So
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  Speaker 1: it's on her nightstand. So she just casually picks this
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  Speaker 1: up and she begins hitting him, and she says she's
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  Speaker 1: not sure how many times she hit him or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. She just says, you know, she's crying and
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  Speaker 1: she just said that she hit him. Well, they show
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  Speaker 1: us a picture of the brick, and the brick is
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  Speaker 1: completely covered in blood and like you can see black
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  Speaker 1: hairs on it from his I mean, it's pretty disturbing.
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  Speaker 2: The bricky.
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  Speaker 1: This wasn't like a This wasn't to hit him one
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  Speaker 1: time to get him off of her or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: This was repeated bludgeoning. Yeah, and tells pieces of a
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  Speaker 2: scalp and hair came on.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll talk about that later, but yeah, Tom Tom
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  Speaker 1: was able to get the bat and hit Jason again.
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  Speaker 1: So sometime somehow on all this, you know, Molly hitting
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  Speaker 1: him in the head, the he's able to get that
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  Speaker 1: bat back hit him. And then he also stated that
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  Speaker 1: Jason shoved him, but he didn't know how many times
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  Speaker 1: or anything. Because this was all very confusing, There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot going on, so detectives instantly see an issue with
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  Speaker 1: their story. They were just in a major fight where
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  Speaker 1: Jason has these horrific injuries all over his body, head,
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  Speaker 1: just beaten in. Yet these two have no bruises nothing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they don't even have when you see the
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  Speaker 1: pictures of them when they're staying there doing their photos,
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  Speaker 1: there's no nobody. It doesn't look like where anybody grabbed anybody.
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  Speaker 1: There's no marks on her neck where she said she
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  Speaker 1: was being choked. There's a little bit of blood on
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  Speaker 1: the dad's the father in law's.
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  Speaker 2: Shirt got he's got a little bit of blood in
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of different places on that.
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  Speaker 1: No, but it was just spots. It wasn't It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like wrestling around with someone who's trying to tag I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they did have any injuries, so nothing was really adding
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  Speaker 1: up to police. So they're starting to question their story.
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  Speaker 1: You know, is who's the real victim. Is it Jason
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  Speaker 1: who is severely beaten, or is it Mollie who looks
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  Speaker 1: like nothing's really happened to her. So they do tell
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  Speaker 1: Mollie that Jason did not survive and ask if she
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  Speaker 1: would like to call someone from Jason's family. So she
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  Speaker 1: says she is scared to call them because they may
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  Speaker 1: try to take the children as they are not biologically hers. Well,
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  Speaker 1: detectives they say, well, did you adopt the It's like
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  Speaker 1: a female detective interviewing her and she's like, well, did
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  Speaker 1: you adopt the children? And she says no, and tell
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  Speaker 1: and so the detective's like, well, it's a real possibility
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  Speaker 1: that they will get the children. And this is when
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  Speaker 1: Mollie just breaks down. I mean, her husband's dead, but
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  Speaker 1: when she found out she might they might actually take
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  Speaker 1: the children from her. This is when she.
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  Speaker 2: She lost it, Not when her husband died.
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  Speaker 1: No, whenever they told her that. It's so you could
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  Speaker 1: see where her concerned.
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  Speaker 2: Back in Ireland, Jason's family received the phone call telling
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  Speaker 2: them that Jason was dead.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, it is back in Ireland, because we are
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  Speaker 1: just following the documentary as it walks through, so we
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  Speaker 1: are going to learn that Jason Isrime Ireland.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they were told that Molly and Jason had gotten
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  Speaker 2: into a fight and that Jason had been hit in
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  Speaker 2: the head. Tracy, who is Jason's sister, immediately is concerned
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  Speaker 2: about the children, whose names are Jack and Sarah.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and Tracy and her husband did have They showed
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  Speaker 1: like a will giving guardianship of I can't remember said
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  Speaker 1: a child or one of the children, but it's when
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  Speaker 1: they were an infant, so I'm assuming it was back
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  Speaker 1: when they were in Ireland. Whenever one of the children
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  Speaker 1: was a baby. This was granting guardian ships. So they
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  Speaker 1: grab this piece of paper because they're like, maybe we
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  Speaker 1: can use this to be able to be able to
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  Speaker 1: take the children.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they immediately hop on the next plane and they
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  Speaker 2: head to North Carolina. Meanwhile, police continue to interrogate Tom.
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  Speaker 2: But Tom was a former FBI agent who used to
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  Speaker 2: train other agents on interrogation techniques, So this presents a
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  Speaker 2: challenge for detectives that are trying to get the truth
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  Speaker 2: out of Tom. It was clear that Tom was experienced
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  Speaker 2: and he was trying to control the interview. He was
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  Speaker 2: trying to lead the detectives in the questioning where he
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  Speaker 2: wanted to go, not where they wanted to go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd say things like, so do you want me
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  Speaker 1: to tell you about this? So you want me to
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  Speaker 1: tell you about this? And not?
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I think the best thing, well we can do
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  Speaker 2: is I can launch into it here, if we just
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  Speaker 2: if I launch into the story, then I think that
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  Speaker 2: would be best. And yeah, so he took Tom.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to tell you that Tom is like,
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  Speaker 1: I just hate him so much.
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  Speaker 2: Police pressed Tom on Molly's involvement, and he keeps skirting
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  Speaker 2: around the issue and he never admits to seeing Molly
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  Speaker 2: strike Jason. During the interview, they find out that Molly's mother,
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  Speaker 2: shared was also in the house during this fight. When
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  Speaker 2: getting her statement, she says that they heard a thumping
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  Speaker 2: noise and Molly, her daughter, was screaming. She said her
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  Speaker 2: husband went up to check on it, and she just
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  Speaker 2: went back to sleep.
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  Speaker 1: Which is really, really, just really strange. If I heard someone,
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  Speaker 1: anybody screaming in my house and'd be like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sheer panic. We'd all be running in to
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  Speaker 1: see what's going on, and this bitch just rolls over
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  Speaker 1: and be like, Eh, Tom's got it, It's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Allegedly, Yes, police are having a hard time believing that
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  Speaker 2: she could sleep through this altercation, which was very violent,
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  Speaker 2: very loud, and that she would just go back to
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  Speaker 2: sleep knowing her daughter was screaming and with her grandchildren,
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  Speaker 2: supposed grandchildren in the home, even though they weren't biological
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  Speaker 2: to her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, so it's just very odd to police
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  Speaker 1: that she would just not even go be with the
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  Speaker 1: grandchildren if she hears her daughter screaming. I mean, there
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  Speaker 1: could have been an truder in the home or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd want to run check on the children, make
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  Speaker 2: sure they're safe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, make sure they're okay, make sure they're not upset.
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  Speaker 1: But no, Grandma Sharon just going back to sleep. Now.
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  Speaker 1: On top of the suspicious behavior of Molly, Tom and Sharon,
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  Speaker 1: they also had this nine on one call where they
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  Speaker 1: said they were performing CPR, but it didn't sound like it.
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  Speaker 1: They were counting. Everybody was super calm, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you've ever taken a CPR class, it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of work to do actual CPR. You're out of breath
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  Speaker 1: doing it because you've got to keep the counts, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the stain alive song, and then you have to really
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  Speaker 1: push on the chest because you actually break the chest.
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  Speaker 1: You can break those those chest bones whenever you're doing CPR,
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  Speaker 1: because you're supposed to really push and everything, so you
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  Speaker 1: should be somewhat out of breath or not be able
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  Speaker 1: to talk while you're doing it, and they're just they're
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  Speaker 1: just over there counting one, two three four. That's so
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  Speaker 1: they're counting like we can out with our daughter at night,
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  Speaker 1: like one, two three four. So it's just very strange behavior.
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  Speaker 1: So the first responders also noted that the body felt
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  Speaker 1: kind of cool to the touch, and they actually questioned themselves.
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  Speaker 1: They said, like, when did they call nine one one,
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  Speaker 1: because he should still be warm if this all just
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  Speaker 1: happened and you immediately call nine one one. So of
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  Speaker 1: course this is all circumstantial. However, it does make the
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  Speaker 1: police question even more what really happened in this home.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Immediately after Jason dies, Mollie files for guardianship of the children,
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  Speaker 1: and so the children were placed with Molly and her
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  Speaker 1: family because the killer. We'll get into it, but the
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  Speaker 1: children did call her mom and things like that. They
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  Speaker 1: did have, I mean, she was seen as their their
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  Speaker 1: mother at the time, but she had not adopted them.
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  Speaker 1: So Jason's sister tries to at least contact the children.
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  Speaker 1: She said she just wanted to talk to him on
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  Speaker 1: the phone or maybe come by and see him, because
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  Speaker 1: they've just had this tragic thing happened where their dad's dead,
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  Speaker 1: you know, has died, and so she just wants to
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  Speaker 1: be in contact with the children and just make sure
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  Speaker 1: they're okay and talk to them. And the Martins completely
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  Speaker 1: deny them access to the children, won't let him talk
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  Speaker 1: to him nothing. So on top of not being able
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  Speaker 1: to see the children, Mollie has also prohibited anyone from
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  Speaker 1: seeing Jason's body. So they could they went to the
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  Speaker 1: I guess the Morgue or wherever, and they wanted to just.
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  Speaker 2: I think they went to the funeral home where Bobby
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  Speaker 2: was being prepared because I don't know if they can
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  Speaker 2: stop them at the morgue.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, this was this was immediately after, so it's
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  Speaker 1: at the morgue.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, she can, she can say, I don't want him,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, not even family.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's thought the mortg they got to do an
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  Speaker 1: autopsy and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I thought they had already done it and he was.
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  Speaker 1: It takes time to do the autopsy No, he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: at the funeral home. She was pushing to get him cremated.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't want him to she wanted him to get cremated.
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  Speaker 1: So they can't even get access to see his body
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  Speaker 1: or anything, because this was immediately after This wasn't I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it takes a while to get to the funeral home.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, no, I guess if they didn't expedite though.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he died under very suspicious circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if the same day or three days later.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: If you're a if you're a medical examiner listening, please
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  Speaker 1: let us know. It wasn't several days later. It was
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  Speaker 1: right after they got there, all right, So the autopsy
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  Speaker 1: results they come back, and he had abrasions under his eye,
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: on his shoulders, and then he The big thing was
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  Speaker 1: he had so many blows to his head. The medical
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  Speaker 1: examiner said they couldn't even he couldn't even count them.
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  Speaker 1: It was impossible.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, overlapping.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And actually when they laid Jason on the table
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  Speaker 1: to do the autopsy, a giant chunk of his skull
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  Speaker 1: actually fell off from him being beaten. Somebody, it's just detached.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we say this was a bloody scene. This
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  Speaker 1: was bad. So that's why they're saying that the injuries
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: that Jason received and had were nowhere in comparison to
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  Speaker 1: what if you have to beat someone that much, then
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  Speaker 1: you should be almost looking like death.
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  Speaker 2: You should have some inuries at least you would think.
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  Speaker 1: If you had to fight off this guy so much
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  Speaker 1: that you had to beat him that bad to where
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  Speaker 1: his skull is falling off. So with the family, they
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  Speaker 1: were able to go through the legal system and were
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  Speaker 1: finally able to see Jason, and they were just absolutely
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  Speaker 1: horrified to what had happened to him. Okay, everyone, I
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  Speaker 1: just realized, I'm like, looking at my paper, I said,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and August second, two thousand and five. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking back this, this isn't right. What happened.
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  Speaker 1: It's twenty fifteen. I actually put a zero instead of
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  Speaker 1: a one.
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  Speaker 2: Did you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this happened in twenty fifteen, So just wanted
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  Speaker 1: to clear that up, you know. So it's probably somebody's
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  Speaker 1: already probably listened to me, like these fuckers don't know what.
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  Speaker 2: They're when they already turned one star.
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  Speaker 1: They said he died and two thousand and five. It
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  Speaker 1: was twenty fifteen, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know what they're talking about. Yeah, getting back to our story,
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  Speaker 2: Jack who is ten, and Sarah who was eight at
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: the time, they're brought in to tell police what happened.
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  Speaker 2: They go through the story that night and it's almost
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  Speaker 2: verbate and what Molly and Tom told the police.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, really, and the kids didn't see The kids
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  Speaker 1: weren't in the room, like watching this happen or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. So for them to tell the story about
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  Speaker 1: him choking Molly like they had they got that information
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  Speaker 1: from Molly Tom.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they didn't see it.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't see that.
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  Speaker 2: They were asked if their dad would get angry, and
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  Speaker 2: they both said that yes he would, and that he
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: would yell at their mother. They both said that they
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  Speaker 2: saw him hit their mom once or twice, and Jack
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  Speaker 2: said that he physically and verbally abused.
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  Speaker 1: As as mother and he kind of stumbled over whenever
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  Speaker 1: he said this. Jack, the ten year old, he said
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  Speaker 1: he said it and then he kind of stumbled over.
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  Speaker 1: Fihysical and verbally abused and everything like it was. It
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  Speaker 1: felt very rehearsed.
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  Speaker 2: Yes it did. Police are taking into account what the
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  Speaker 2: children said, but they also did think that it seemed
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  Speaker 2: a little coached, a little rehearsed, and some of the
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: words they were using were not something that kids their
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  Speaker 2: age would use, like, yes, my dad physically and verbally
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  Speaker 2: abused my mother.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's not a normal thing.
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  Speaker 2: Especially Yeah, you would say that he hit and yelled at,
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  Speaker 2: physically and verbally abused. The children also stated that a
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  Speaker 2: lot of what they were saying was told to them
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  Speaker 2: by their mother. So this is why the police are
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  Speaker 2: thinking that it's a little more coached up than what
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  Speaker 2: what the mother Molly is letting on to.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't know where you're going with that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know where I was going either. You
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  Speaker 2: lost your ye I thought I was going to stick
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  Speaker 2: the land in, but I.
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  Speaker 1: And I was just gonna let you sink.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: I know, I saw you and you're like sitting over
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  Speaker 2: there laughing at me like.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I was. I was just like, I'm just gonna let
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: him just anyways, we're just gonna get back on tracks, too,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: are we track? We're on track tonight because it's late
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and I need to go to bed because I have
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: work in the morning. So please speak to Jason's family
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: and friends and Tom because because Tom made some statements
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: while he was in his interview, just kind of weird things,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: and I didn't really like how Netflix did this told Jason.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: But Tom said that he was a train boxer and
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: an MMA fighter, just casually mentions this, and so the
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: family says, this is absolutely ridiculous and he was never
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: professionally trained to fight. But the thing that was was Netflix.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tom said this about Jason.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I said.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Well, you made it sound like Tom said that he.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Was Oh, Tom said this about Jason or whatever, and
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the fan was like, this ridiculous. Well, as they're saying,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: as the voice over them saying this ridiculous, Netflix is
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: gonna show some pictures of old Jason looking kind.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Of ferry, I was like this, you wrong.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Netflix probably got his most unflattering photos and like displayed
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: them like he's not a boxer an MMA fighter. So
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: they say Jason was just a really nice person and
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: fun to be around. They talk a little bit about
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: his past. So Jason was originally married to Mags and
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: they had Jack and Sarah. These are all great names, Mags, Jack, Sarah.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I like it all, you know. I like Ja, I
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: love the name Jack. I think it's just a good,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: solid name. And he was just so happy being a
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: dad and just really loved his kids. Now, his life
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: was going great until one night Maggs had an asthma
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: attack and she passed away, leaving Jason as a single
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: dad to an eighteen month old in a three and
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: a half year old. Now, Jason was working full time,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: so he decided the best route for his family was
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: an O pair. Now this is where miss Golly, Miss
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Molly enters the scene, and I had to rewind because
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I thought, oh this. I was like, wow, he married
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: the O Pair. But it sounds h Mollie was in
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: her twenties and Jason was young. He was in his
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: late twenties, so it wasn't.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Like a weird situation for five years old.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I always think of O pears as being,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: you know, eighteen nineteen year old girls, but Molly was
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: in her in her twenties when she when she met him.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: So Mollie the way she she kind of talks. So
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: we do see Molly on the documentary. She's she's there
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: speaking of piece. So is Tom, who I hate. So
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Mollie tells us about how she kind of got into
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the o pair business. She had been in a relationship.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I can't remember she said she'd been married or not,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: but she suffered a miscarriage. And I'm gonna tell you
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: right now. Everyone take everything she says with a grain
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: of salt because we do not know.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, we did not trust anything. Molly's us.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's an unreliable narrator, as they would say. So
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: she says that she suffered a miscarriage and after that
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: the relationship ended and she just wanted to get her
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: mind off things. She thought it would be fun to
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: travel see the world, and she just loved children and
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: wanted to be a mom so bad. So she's like,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to go be a a pair.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: It's I can go travel and then still get to
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: hang out with with kids and everything like that. So
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: she comes across Jason's listing he had I guess he did.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I think he sent her, you know, his information everything,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and she so she's filtering through the different options she
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: has and she sees that Jason's a widow, and she
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: just felt really bad for these two small children without
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: a mom because they're only eighteen months and three and
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: a half, I mean eighteen months is like, we have
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: a fifteen month old. They're still practically.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: A baby, you know, Yes, they are babies.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: We call her the baby. Yeah, well she's technically I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: think after a year they're considered toddlers.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: It's still a baby.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: But she's a baby. Like they look like baby, they're
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: still babies when they're fifteen eighteen months old. I don't
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: feel like they're toddler's till they turn two. In my opinion,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: that's when they're like they like go into toddler toddlerhood.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: When they start going and they're terrible twos, then yes,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: yes they're no longer babies. They're terrorists.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: They're no little sweet little babies. They have opinions and attitudes.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so she just felt felt really sorry for
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: these children. So Jason and Molly, So Molly head's over.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: She's living in Ireland, and they actually hit it off
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: really fast and they become a couple lovers. Yes, Stuart,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: why do you got to make it creepy?
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: That didn't become lowers?
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I know, but what do you have to say it
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: like that? It's so creepy. So Jason was very happy
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: with Molly, but he was nervous about moving too fast
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: out of concerns for Jack and Sarah. So this was
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: even all documented within They emailed each other a lot,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: which I think is so weird. I mean, it was
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: two thousand. I guess this was. This happened in twenty
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: fifteen and they were together for seven years, so this
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: was like two thousand and eight. I guess she did
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: email more back then rather than text. Yeah, so they
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: emailed a lot, and I guess you probably didn't think about, like,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: you know, like uh Sonya Morgan says, uh say it,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: forget it, text it, regret it. That's her, that's her
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: saying that stuck with me, And they didn't really I'm
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: sure they weren't really thinking that once you put it
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: in an email and put it in writing, it's there forever.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: So as long as you don't delete them.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well no, even if you delete them, they can
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: recover them though.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I mean after that many years, though, I don't.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Know, Google's probably got everything you've ever done, y'all who's
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: probably holding on to it, and they have zero security
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: at this point, so they just everything you've ever done
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: is just loose out there in the world.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Get spam from.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, y'all, who's useless is any I don't
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: even know if it is anybody even running the company anymore.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: They just.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: AI's running it. So yeah, so he all this was
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: documenting an email. So Jason's writing to Molly saying, you know,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I just have these concerns. I don't want anything else
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: to happen. I don't want us to, you know, move
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: too fast and then split up and then traumatize the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: children again.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be like, oh, we got a new mom
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: and now.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: She's Yeah, well, Mollie wasn't having this, and she said
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: she wasn't hanging around. So she kind of makes an
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: ultimatum and soon they so Jason gives in. Soon they're engaged,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: and the kids actually started calling her mom. And from
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: what I understood, well, again we have just Molly's perspective,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: but it seemed like a natural progression to calling her mom.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: It wasn't forced, It didn't seem or anything like that.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: They the kids really did like her a lot.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I meanly children that young. I wouldn't think it
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: was forced unless she was like, I'm mommy when he
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: was at work or something.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Well, she might have been. We don't know. We can't
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: trust his bitch, So they moved. They ended up moving
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to Meadowlands, North Carolina, from Ireland. And this was a
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: decision based on how they wanted to raise the children
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: where they wanted to raise them. Jason was also a businessman,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: so this was probably I'm sure there were some things
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: factored in there as well. So we hear about their
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: life in America, and we do see the kids. So
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Jack and Sarah are interviewed there are interviewed quite a
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: bit in this documentary, so they kind of talk about
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: how they loved living there. They you know, they come
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: into this beautiful I mean, they moved to North Carolina,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: in this little meadowlands. I'm sure it's wonderful. I'm sure
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: it's got meadows or something. And yeah, so imagine moving
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: to a southern city, that's all. And you got money,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: so you moved there and they've got these they you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the kids said it looked like a mansion. It was
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: a big house.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: It looked from whatever they were coming from. I'm guessing
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Well, European houses are usually small, I mean they're smaller
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: unless I guess, unless you have like a ton of
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: money and living been like a manner's like that. But
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you know, over here, we got our mc mansions over here.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it was like a mc mansion in a
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: really nice, nice neighborhood. So they're they're really loving this
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: new American lifestyle. They're adjusting really well. And so right
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: after getting to America, Mollie and Jason do marry. And
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: this is where we start kind of seeing a little
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: a few flaws with Mollie, because up until this point,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Mollie is wonderful. I mean, you imagine old pair coming
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: in just loving your children. This like fairy tale, you know,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: meets the husband the start. Okay, Stuart, why are you
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: gonna make it what that way?
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, fairy tale.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: That's your fairy tale. Uh So at the wedding, they
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: find out that Mollie has been fabricating.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Some stories, some details.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Some details drink about Jason's there, you know, Molly and
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Jason's life together. So she is telling her friends that
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: she was actually the godmother to the children and she
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: was friends with Mags and after her death she stepped
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: in and then Jason and her fell in love, like
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: this is what she one of her maids of honor whatever,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: like a good friend of hers, this is the story
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: that she's been telling, and the family finds out about
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: that she's been telling the story at the.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Way, Yes, Jason's family hears.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: About that because the the you know, the friend is like, wow,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: this is such a beautiful love story that this happened
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and everything. I mean, it's not a bad story being
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the old pair, but I guess it sounds more magical
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: if you were the godmother and it's and everything like that.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: But my question is why did the friend? How good
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: of friends were these If you think that you're friends
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: with some lady in Ireland and you're the godmother to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: their children?
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what what does your friend?
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: How do your friends not know?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: How did you explain it to them? How you became
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: friends with these people?
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I guess yeah, maybe.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And why you were in Ireland? And yeah, I guess
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: she was lying about. See the documentary didn't get into
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: like all the lies the friends. What did she tell
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: these friends? Yeah, about how she went to Ireland, why
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: she was the godmother, how well she knew this.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: They didn't have that much time to dig into those
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I guess to tell us all about that what the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: friends thought she was doing in Ireland? And why she'd
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: be the godmother and why you'd believe. Like one of
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: my friends for a long time came to me and like,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm being like, I've never heard you. This
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: is out of nowhere. I've never heard you talk about
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: being friends, really good friends with a best friend in Ireland.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Never heard, never came up in all these years, you know.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so this is a little bit of a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: weird situation for Jason's family to hear about in not
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: really understanding what's going.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I said, the entire American contingent thought this story was
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the actual cute meet cute or whatever you call that
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: meet cute.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: You know that.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I've seen some of your shows that you put on
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: at Christmas time.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't know they were called that. There's a whole genre.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I've watched shows that make fun of her.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: That makes more sense. Okay, So she's also so on
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: top of this story, she's also making up stories about
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: her sister that died of cancer, which was not true because.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Did not die of cancer, because she does does not.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Exist, doesn't have a she has one I looked up.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: She has one brother. She does not have a sister,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: did not have a sister that died of cancer. She
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: was also telling people that there was a time where
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: she came into a group they were doing something and
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: she just casually mentions that she gave birth to Sarah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: A daughter book club in the neighborhood, some kind of club.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: And comes in with this story how she gave birth
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to Sarah and it's which is a complete lie in everything.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: So there's just a lot of life.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was I don't know if somebody in the
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: group was pregnant having a baby and she lost to
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: this story about how when she has her Yeah, but
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: there's other people in the group that are like, you,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: we know that that's not.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Your kid, but I don't think they said anything to her.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they were so awkward. Yeah it was awkward.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: But I would like to hear from those people too. Yeah,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: where was the people in the documentary evidently know that
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: there was people there that were like, no, that's not
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: even true.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we did. We did hear a lot from Mollie,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and I felt like they let her run her mouth
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: a little too much in the documentary. So yeah, so
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: this is what we're saying, taate. So after we watched it,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: we're like, did she we were discussing it. We're like,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: did she even have a miscarriage? Did she did any
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: of this happen that led her up to this? Like
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: what what is going on with this with this girl?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: So it's all just a lot of lies and everything's
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: just just kind of weird for them. For Jason's family.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: With Mollie, it started off like a positive thing. This
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: lady came in, is being mom to these kids, and
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: now it's getting a little strange. Now. There was also
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of they talk about the back and forth
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: on Molly adopting the children, like we said, originally she
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: did not. She told the police officer, I did I
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: haven't adopted these children. Now, Mollie says that Jason was
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: telling her that she could adopt them, but he actually
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: never made any of the steps to make this happen.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Now they are also emails about this, and they discovered emails.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Jason had actually emailed an attorney about concerns if a
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: divorce were to occur that he said, he said, so
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: she goes through with adopting the children. If we were
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: to divorce, He's like, can I lose my children? And
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the attorney's like, yeah, the judge could say, yeah, they're
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: going with their mom and you could lose your children.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: He's like, okay, well we're not doing that then, yeah, yeah, lose.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Your biological children to the lady. Yeah, and then turn around,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: probably have to pay her child support for it too. Yeah,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: that would just be awkward.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And it's from your's and it's from you're widowed, so
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, your original love, these children are
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: now not even in your care anymore, and she has control,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and then you're having to pay a child's for So
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: he's like, full stop, He's not going to go through that.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: And they some of his friends were interviewed and they
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: talked about their like, Jason would never agree. If he
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: had any chance of losing his children, he would not
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: agree to this. He never went through with the whole
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: adoption thing. And I'm guessing it's because he thought divorce
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: was potentially on the.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Horizon with Mollie.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, because if she's selling all these lies about
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the whole, if the whole American group at the wedding
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: thought this was a story, he had to have heard
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: this story from somebody. Somebody had to have brought this
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: up to him about the whole godmother thing.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Well, the sister heard, so she probably was like, hey,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: what the hell.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'm sure, but I'm but I'm saying leading
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: up to the wedding, I don't know what he was
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: thinking because he had to have heard she was lying
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: early on, so I'm sure there was red flags.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: You think he heard about this before.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: The way and probably was just like, Oh, it's Molly
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: being kooky, silly Molly, silly Molly.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the custody fight is raging on for the children.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Jason's family believes that they should come The children should
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: come with them back to Ireland because they have in
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: the will that they should get them, as Jason has
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: laid out, and they are also citizens of Ireland because
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: they've never become citizens of the United States.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: They have the old will from when they were babies
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: before he married Molly.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I don't know how well that usually
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: trumps it. I'm not so the will. I mean, the
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: will is usually going to be I mean, people try
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: to contest no, but it's.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Also from another country, so I don't know.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: How Oh, you're saying that their they're Ireland wills aren't
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: as good as the US one.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, I don't know how much of a
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: judge here would would look at that and say it's
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: from another country. And I don't know how legally binding
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: it is in this country, but anyway, it doesn't matter.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Anyway. Molly insisted the children remain with her, and that
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: is what Jason would have wanted. The children are eventually
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: ordered to go with Jason's family back to Ireland, and
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: as you can imagine, the children are very upset because
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Molly is the mother they have known since eighteen months
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: and three and a half years old. Basically, it was
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: also quite the challenge moving to Ireland.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Jack had change, he say, it's changed. Well, if you
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: could imagine, Jack was really too like he had sports,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: he had his friends and stuff. You know. I mean,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I haven't lived in Ireland, but you know, the whole
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: American sports thing. I feel like it's very you know, important, unique,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: unique or whatever. And so he moved back there, and
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: you know, his sister really was outgoing and she did fine,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: but he missed all his teams. I don't know what's
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: sports he played, but he missed the teams.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: And I think it was probably all something I had
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: to do with the age difference because he was probably
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: just coming into getting these friends and starting his stuff
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: and she was a couple eighteen months behind him.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was eight and he was ten. We just
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: said that. But they also said in the documentary that
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: she was very outgoing and just always just made friends
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and stuff, and he probably I don't know if he
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: had a harder time, but he made his friends through
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: his sports teams and he had to leave that.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, and he did say that he had a hard
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: time adjusting as well when he got there. Yes, from
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: his own mouth and the documentary.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, wow, really killing it tonight, Sue, Am, it's not
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: two am, but it is eleven PMN so it might
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: as well be two am. I need to go to bed.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Getting back to our story, Molly begins using social media
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: to try and reach the children, as well as trying
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: to fly a plane over the kids' school.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Like this, it's getting weird.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, because Jason's family they were like, nope, you're not
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: contacting these children were not. I guess she was calling
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: their home. They just let the phone wak.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: We got on radio stations in Ireland trying to contact
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the children. She'd make like birthday cakes and post them,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and then she posts phone numbers and she said, if
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: you see this phone number, call me kids, like getting
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: real creepy about it.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: She was posting the social media and all that. Yeah,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: well she's trying to let you know how much she
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: loved her children.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, that weren't hurt. Yes, I don't keep saying they
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: weren't hers. But there's a lot of people that adopt
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: children and love them as their own. Yes, we're just
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: this lady was crazy.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well just because.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Saying you can adopt a child, I can understand.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I can understand that she loved these children. Had she
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: not done all this other lying creepy ship.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, if she hadn't done all this stuff like killed
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: her dad, then yes, she.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Would have been a great step a.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Great you know, or mom, you know, adopted mom. So
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: we're not saying that. Obviously, people can adopt children and
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: that's like they're entreat them as their own and stuff
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: like that. This lady was just to me as we
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: go through this, to me, the children were a possession
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and a tool for control and power, is what the
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: children were. I don't think she had any interest in
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: being a true mom, because most moms would never do
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: this too. They wouldn't kill her, you know, the dad.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: But again, but it's supposedly still self defense right now
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: what they're going with.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Are you just you're just dropping these spoiler alerts?
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And yes, well, I mean I think everybody can see
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: where this is. This is headeds too. So police received
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the toxicology report because during the whole interviews with Tom
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and Mollie they kept mentioning that Jason was very drunk
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: and everything. So they're expecting this, he's some belligerent drunk
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: that is out of control, choking Molly. They're having to
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: like take him down and everything. Well, his blood alcohol
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: content would only point oh two, which is below I mean,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: it's like nothing.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, point eight is legal limit? Is Yeah, you're gonna
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: go to jail if you blow up point eight while
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: you're driving. Yeah, yes.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: And so the only other thing he had in his
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: system was a few, like some of Mully's sleeping pills.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: And they didn't know how he'd got those sleeping pills.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Did someone give them to him, did he take them himself,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: There's just no way to tell.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say I think that they were crushed up
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: and put in his beer.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: That's what you're going to go with.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: That's where I'm gonna go with.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's Stude's official stance on the sleeping pills. Yeah,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: so there's no way to tell because it was I mean,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: absolutely no way to figure out unless you talk. You
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: could talk to Jason. So they also were looking more
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: into the evidence that the room showed with the altercation
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: and how it possibly started when the door was closed,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: because whenever they looked at it on the back of
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the door, like if the door was closed, there was
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: blood all over the back of the door. So we're
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: saying Tom walked in and then starts hitting him with
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the bat because he's choking his.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Daughter, and that's why blood starts flying.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why would there be any blood on the back
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: of the door. He didn't walk in and be like, oh,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: he's choking my daughter, let me close the door so
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: no one sees, and then go in there and do that.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: So it's very they're saying. They're thinking maybe the altercation
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Jason had to have been hit in the head prior
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: to the door being open. So I don't Again, they're
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: very murky. We don't really know what happened in this
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: room and the door.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Could have closed. Again, I guess if somebody was bumping,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: if they were fighting over the bat as time, I mean,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: that could be they.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I think they were looking at the blood splatter and
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. Spatter splatter. Okay, we've gotten into this before.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: You were wrong.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was just something else that seemed odd.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: But nobody mentioned that the door was closed or anything,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: so it just seemed a little weird. There was also
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: evidence that Jason was beaten while he was on the ground.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: So if you were trying to just defend yourself against
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: someone who's attacking you, you should stop once you neutralized
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the threat. And so if he's laying on the ground
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: bleeding and can't get up, we should probably stop hitting
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: him with the brick and that. Yeah. So with this information,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Tom and Mollie were charged with second degree murders. They're like,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: none of this adds up, you guys.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Now, during this time, the children were getting older and
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: began coming forward stating that Molly had told them to
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: say that their dad was abusive and if they she didn't.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: If they didn't say these things to the police, then
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: they were going to be taken away from Molly. So
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: that's what the kids are finally coming forward and seeing
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: we were basically told to say these things, these bad things.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: About our art, or they would take our mom away.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Ye must Now, emails were uncovered showing that Molly and
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Jason were not in a good space with their marriage. Now,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Mollie was at a party the week before the murder.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: They were Molly and Jason were at a party the
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: week before the murder, and she was seen belittling Jason
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: and making fun of him being fat and so Jason
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: actually at the friends at the party said that Jason
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: just looked deflated and not himself and just sad that
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: his wife, you know, is is saying these mean girl
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: things about him and public at a party the week before. Again, Okay,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: now this is in twenty fifteen. Why are we communicating
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: so much via email? That's what I don't understand. This
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: is a strange thing to me, that you're just communicating
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: with your spouse through email. I don't know.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: This is weird.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: So Jason had spoke of ending the marriage and moving
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: back to Ireland. He'd mentioned this to family men and
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: things like that, that there's issues in the marriage. Now
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: police theorize that Molly was just not willing to lose
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: those children, and that she knew that she had no
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: rights to them, and she wanted him gone in her,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: to have the children in him, not to be able
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: to leave and take them because he would have just
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: divorced her. That he probably would have been granted full
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: custody and then headed back to Ireland. She has literally
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: no rights.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Zero rights, Tom, since she has not adopted them.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Yeap.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, they Tom and Molly. They go on trial,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: They are found guilty and they are both sentenced to
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: twenty to twenty five years in prison. So happy ending,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: no No. Jack and Sarah talk about how they felt
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: a weight was lifted off their shoulders and they felt
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: that they could start a new chapter in their lives.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: They were embracing their aunt and uncle and even calling
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: them mom and dad. Flash forward to twenty nineteen. Knew
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: to F attorneys were hired to appeal the case for
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: the Martins. They uncover the records where the children made
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: statements about Jason being abusive the day after the murder,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and then he repeated the statements a few days later
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: on the recordings.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so right after the murder, there was a written
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: statement that someone took down notes of the children saying
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the same things.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of those child therapists where.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Well, no, the first one wasn't. The first one where
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: it was written was not in a child There was
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: just them talking to the police. The one that we
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: saw the video was them at a special place that
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: interviews children that have been you know, witnesses to crimes
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And so what they're saying is there's two
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: statements corroborating that Jason was angry and hit Molly. There's
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: two separate statements from the children, and that wasn't brought
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: to the jury's attention.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then again, we both believed that they were
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: coached up so that they said the same thing.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just because they said it the day after whatever,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that she still hadn't been talking to him
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: for weeks to.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Lead enough to this.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Oh you think this was all premeditating.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Well, we're first. I feel like we're first green murder heres.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Too, they also just place all to The attorneys also
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: discovered that the children had a safe word with their
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: grandma Sharon, and that she had hidden her phone number
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: in their room so that they could call her without
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: their dad getting angry. She wrote the phone number on
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: the bottom of a.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: By their bed because she was telling police that he
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: would not let them call her and he would get
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: angry if they if they communicated with her, something like that.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: So and they did find the phone number written under
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: their This all this one, I say, it's premeduted. I
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: feel like there was a lot of stuff being playing
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: because this was they just determined this safe word or
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: whatever it was, like peacock or pigeon or something. This
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: all just happened just a few weeks before the murder.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: All of this happened.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. See, at first, I was like, did the dad
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: just come up and she was like crushing his skulling
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: and he just covering for his daughter or was he
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: in on the pre planning.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Or Tom's a psychopath?
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: So I mean, did Tom plan this whole thing out
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: for his daughter?
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And I don't know. When you meet Tom and Sharon,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like, well, we didn't talk to Sharon, but
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: we just heard from the stuff. They both just seem
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: like really enabling. I mean, their daughter's obviously been a
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: liar her in time. I'm sure she's been lying about
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: stuff since she was a child. You know, if she's
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: lying about stuff like this.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Dad, sisters and yeah, miscarriages possibly.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: The attorney subpoena Jason's medical records and they found out
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: that he had seen a doctor in the weeks before
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: the murder saying that he was becoming angry for no
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: reason at all, which.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: They're saying this supports what the children said that he
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: would get angry, and what Molly said he would get angry.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: The defense attorneys also brought this to the courts, and
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: they won their appeal for another trial. The state took
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: it all the way to the North Carolina Supreme Court.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: They upheld the lower court's decision and Molly and Tom
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: were released and up until they would be retried again.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: And now, as you can imagine, the children and Jason's
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: family who were thought this was all over, they're very
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: upset at this new turn of events.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because at this point the children hate Molly. They've
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: completely turned They they see her for that she killed
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: their dad and in this horrific manner. Now Mollie comes
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: back on and she tells us more about Jason's abuse
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: and him berating her, and then how he used the
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: children to control her by threatening saying I'm not going
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: to let you adopt them. I'm not going to let
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: you do this. So Mollie began secretly recording Jason around
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: the house, but.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: And in the car. She had had a car car
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: in the rooms in the house.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, who was abusing?
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Who is?
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: So Mollie she's recording Jason and they were placed. So
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like waiting for this audio. I'm like, Okay, they've
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: been building me up. I'm like, this Molly bitch is crazy.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: She killed her husband. The dad's in on it. But
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: we're fixing to get these recordings and we're a fucking
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: nail in this. Jason to the wall on this one.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: What a hole he is.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I mean I've had rougher conversations in this house than
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: what was going on. And plus keep in mind that
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Mollie knows they're being recorded and Jason doesn't, so she
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: you have to keep that in mind because she's trying
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: to remain calm during all this to try to and
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: try to rile it. That's the way I saw is
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: if if you know you're being recording, you're trying to
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: make the other person look bad, You're going to be like, well,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know how you feel that way.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to help out. I don't And then
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the other person's getting angry. We have no idea what
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: happened five minutes before this. That wasn't in the part
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: that's recording, So just keep that in mind. So the
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: recordings they weren't bad at all. One of them was
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: about she wanted to he wanted to have family dinner.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, he wanted he wanted to come home, have dinner
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: with his children and his wife.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, at family dinner at the table.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: He told her this, Yes, So then she goes and
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: feeds the children anyway. It was specific suit and so
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: they're not hungry, so there's not going to be a
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: family dinner.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: And so he's telling her, I've told you I wanted
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: to have family and he's not even yelling, really, he's
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: just frustrated with her. I don't know what shit she'd
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: done earlier in the day that probably had annoyed him.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: But and then at one time he does, uh so,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: and then that one of them he does use he
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: does kick a chair or something like that, and you
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: can hear him get mad. And again the argument they
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: were having was oh, whenever she said it was the
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: one where she said she wanted to or we hear
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: him say, she's all calm and everything, and we hear
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: him say, we're not gonna do that. You wanted to
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: be separate and not be around us anymore. You just
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: said you wanted to be separated and not have anything
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: to do with the children, So we're not going to
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: do whatever it was they were going to do. He's like,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: you can go do stuff on your own or whatever,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: and she's just like, I'm just trying to but we
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: don't know. Apparently before that, she told him that she
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: wanted to be separate and separate from him and not
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: be around the children. So they get into it over this.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: It sounds like he kicks a chair or something because
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: she's basically it's almost like gaslighting, saying I didn't say that,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: and he's just like, we just had this conversation. I'm
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: sure it was off recording where they had it, and
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: she's basically gaslighting him, being like, I don't know what
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: you're talking about. I want to be with you and
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: this family, and blah blah blah. He's like, you just
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: said this, and so he kicks a chair and then
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I guess one of the kids was in the room
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: and he yells for or she yells for Jack to
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: go upstairs, and he's like, no, we're going to do whatever,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: as you know with my children that you keep from
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: me all day that I never see, because there apparently
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: were some she was a little bit controlling too in
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: terms of what the children and how much time she
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: allowed for.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that the Netflix documentary
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: didn't dig into that I wish they would.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it should have been They did it as a
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: They did this as a one like an hour and
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: forty two minute documentary, and it really should have been
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: more of a series where we kind of dug into
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: so you could really better understand. But the whole point
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: of this is the recordings that they played us. If
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: those were the worst ones, and.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: You would think they would play the worst ones that
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: they could get their hands.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: On, then you then this was not there's a.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Bunch of people in this country need to be divorced
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: if that's what verbal abuse is.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Because it really wasn't. He wasn't screaming or anything like that.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: He was raised, he raised his voice, But again, we
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: don't know what happened prior to that, and that's how
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: the prosecution saw these recordings as well. They're like, we
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: don't know, she knows she's been recording. He doesn't, And
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: these aren't actually that terrible. They did have this stupid
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: therapist on there that was freaking ridiculous, and people, Wow,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: he kept playing he played like portions of it. He'd
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: be like, you see this, this is a control behavior.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: You're a therapist, where don't you Goddamn Well, he got got.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Paid quite a bit by the defense to say those things.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he did. Jack and Sarah come back on
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: and they're telling us how they did not tell the
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: truth back then, but that they wanted to tell the
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: truth now. After moving to America, Molly began removing the
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: pictures of the kid's biological mom.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: So Mags, this is what the kids are telling. Jack
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: and Sarah telling us what she was doing. So they
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: had pictures of Mags, you know, their biological mom, next
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: to their beds, and those were removed at.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Some point they were replaced with Molly.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: They also tell us how Molly started spending more time
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: with Sarah and pushing Jack away. Jack was much closer
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: to his dad, and Molly did not like him for
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: that reason. It's like she wanted him to bond with
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: her more than the dad, and so he wasn't it
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: aggravated her.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he just naturally gravitated towards his dad, and Sarah
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: gravitated towards Molly and she did not like him being
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: close to him at all, which was part of the
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: arguments that they had on the recording was stemming from
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: that about how she pushes his children away from him
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: and tries to keep the children from him. I think
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: she mainly tried to keep Sarah from him because she
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: kind of lost Jack along the way. Jack wanted to
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: hang out with his dad.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think she would have got both of them on.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Her if she could, but she couldn't.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: It was like she was trying to manipulate him. According
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: to the children, Yeah.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: And they said that she was trying to turn them, like,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: pit them against each other for her love Sarah and Jack.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: They told us that Sarah spent all her time with
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Molly and that Molly would try to keep Sarah away
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: from the dad. I just said that, Yes, well, I'm
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: telling people what Sarah said in her own words, and
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Jack said in his own words. Jack says that if
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: they had to choose a parent back then, that Jack
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: would have chosen his dad, and that Sarah would have
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: most likely gone with Molly since they were bonding.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were doing all the fun like girl things,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: you know, nails and stuff like that and everything. So
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: it was definitely a strategic move by Mollie to get
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: one of the children at least completely.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: On her, Like she was trying to kidnap the children
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: by Mary and Jason.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: And then I know she's like she just wanted It's
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: like she married him. Is you talked her just to
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: get to the children and then figure out how she
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: could take the children from him. Yes, she just wanted
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: the children.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: I mean that's what it's same like.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she she was young, she supposedly had
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: this miscarriage. I mean, just find somebody new and have
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: your own children. I don't know, it's not like it
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: was like someone told her she was completely infertile and
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: she needed I don't know.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe she was the cancer from her sister spread to
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: her uterus.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: The defense attorneys bring up that Jason's first wife, saying
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: that Jason killed her.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they went pretty they pretty deep dove on this
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: one for her.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, they went into this thing with the ex y
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: or the widow or the widow. Yes, well Jason is
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: the widow.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: No, he's the widow. She's the he's she's the widower. No,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: he's the widower.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: I guess. I don't know.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: She's I don't know. I was too late to this. Anyways,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: they're saying that he killed his deceased wife.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're saying yeah that. So the defense for Tom
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: and Moley are saying, yeah, Jason most likely allegedly killed Mags.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: They talk about their own experts, saying that Mags was
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: murdered from strangulation, but that there were no marks and
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: somehow she survived and died and later from the injuries.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: This freaking, this freaking expert that they brought in, he's like, yeah,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: she didn't have any marks on the outside of her
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: neck because sayings, he said, how do you die? You
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: don't die from the external injury, you die from internal
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: So supposedly they're saying that it didn't get picked up
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: on a the medical exam because he strangled her somehow
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: didn't leave marks on her neck damaged the inside enough
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: that but it was like a slow damage. So but
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: within the hour she died from these these injuries. It's
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: a real stretch. It's a it's a stretch.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Yes. So Jason's family they're pretty much in shock that
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: they're saying that Jason killed Mags. And they tell the
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: public this is not what they believe. Because Tom is
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: saying that Mags's father told him at the wedding.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Well, first he said he was uneducated, he was a dishbag.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a serious douchebag.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: He claims that Mag's father told him that he believed
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: that Jason killed his daughter.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said that. I was talking about the wedding.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: He's real, he said, he's, you know, an uneducated man.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: He's hard to understand, got this thick accent. And I said,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: and I said what about. I said, oh, that's sad
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: what happened to his first wife? And he said, he
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: killed my daughter And that's what he said. The dad
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: said or whatever, and of course there that was completely Yeah,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: this this whole thing is just weird. The family. The
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: family came out in Ireland and said the dad never
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: said that.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: The dad never said yeah, because he actually wrote, he
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: had to write that down. He actually died from cancer.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: So at the trial, similar to Molly's sister, Yes.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Similar to Molly's sister, but he actually existed. Yeah, And
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: so the daughters, the sisters read the statement.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: The mom and the daughter, the mom and.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Then sister of Mags Yes, read the statement that he
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: had made saying that he never told Tom this shit about.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he made an actual official statement, throw like a lawyer,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: saying I did not ever tell Tom that that Jason
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: killed my daughter. So it was again another lie that
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: was told by Tom. And Molly are a pathlal liars.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: They lie all the time.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know what that's about. Yeah, but
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: during the trial, the defense attorneys bring up the abuse
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: signs on Molly that night, and they point to a
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: small scab behind Molly's ear, saying that it was a
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: sign of strangulation.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, whenever they said so on the documentary. There,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: it's like this big moment. They're like, the defense are like, yeah,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: she had marks showing signs of strangulation, and so I'm like, okay,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: where are these marks? Apparently they were those magical marks
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: again that he did he apparently has some sort of
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: skill where he can choke people without actually damaging the outside.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: So they zoom in. I'm like, where, So she has
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: a little bit of blood on her face of Jason's blood, again,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: none of her own, and from this crime scene or
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: the night of the murder. And you zoom in and
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: there's like this tiny little scab, like this bloody scab
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: and they're like, this is from a fingernail, like digging
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: into the skin. I'm like, are you kidding me? So
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: he's bludgeoned today that they can't even count how many
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: times he was hit, and you're telling me that her
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: big son of abuse was a fingernail scrape behind the ear.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: How do we even know it was his?
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well they don't know anything. I mean, these people
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: really reached for the stars and somehow they managed to
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: get this retrial.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then whatever this expert is, he was like, yeah,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: if you go and you find.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Whatever, it wasn't on the trial. They weren't doing this
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: at the trial.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Well, who was this guy at the therapist?
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Then I'm saying that all of this wasn't during a
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: retrial because they didn't go on trial. They did a
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: plea deal.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because the defense attorney was saying that some
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: specialist and abuse is like, if you go when you
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: find the clothes that she was wearing.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: That night, oh, there'd be urine on the crotch.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Because she probably passed out and lost control over bladder.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: And he's like, lo and behold, we went and we
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: got our pajamas or whatever she was wearing that night,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: and there was urine in the crotch. So she must
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: have passed out from strangulation, pede herself and then she
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: woke up and then fought him off. Yeah.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a real big I don't know why
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: she had pee. Maybe she I'm sure she peed on
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: herself when she was beating the shit.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Out of it. Somebody might just lose control of your bowels.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: But for them to say that he choked her enough
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: for her to pass out and lose control of her bladder.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: But she had zero marks on her neck, is in
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: one scratch behind her ear does not? Is not adding up.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: No, it's not at all.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Now, Jack and Sarah they are ready to testify, but
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: the prosecution had concerns about a jury finding them not guilty.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: They were concerned about this and partly was because these
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: these defense attorneys were really dragging in everything, and they
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: were afraid they were going to confuse the jury, bringing
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: in saying well, his first wife dies and we think
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: he killed her and everything, and then we got all
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: this other stuff. So they were concerned that that they
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: could might lose some that might they might not get
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: a full jury that's gonna say guilty, Molly. We hear
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: from Molly again, and she's delusional because she thought that
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: them coming out and saying that in.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Her team, with all this evidence.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: With all this evident No, not with all this evidence.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: I'm saying facetious, yes.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying that's not what I'm pointing out.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: And this has nothing with the evidence.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the evidence of oh.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, sure.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Air bunny, air bunny evidence.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So they she thought that them coming out and saying,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: you know, he killed their mom and everything, that that
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: they would finally see the light and that they would
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: come back around and they would want to talk to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Mollie and they'd be done with their you know, stop
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: the brainwashing. And she thought that that she honestly thought
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: they were going to contact her after this and be like, hey, mom.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: We realized that dad was abusive asshole.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Killed our mom and now we're almost our mom. Yes,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: but obviously that didn't happen during sentencing Jack and Sarah,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: so they too. So anyway, so the point was they
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: didn't do an actual trial because they just did a
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: plea plea deal because they were afraid they weren't going
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: to get a guilty verdict. So but they Jack and
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Sarah were allowed to come speak during the sentencing period
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: as and provide victim impact statements. So they make their
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: way back to America and they're driving in the car, they're,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: you know, they're real upset there. It's it's it is
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: sad and everything. They're they're very still, very emotional about
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: this whole situation, even though it's been on and getting
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: yanked around with the court system and having fucking Tom
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: running his mouth out there. Jesus, he's I hate him.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: So they're the only thing I'm gonna judge him on
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: is that. Apparently their dad's favorite song or one of
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: the songs they listened to all the time was Chicken
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: from By. I don't even know who sings it, Garth Brooks,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: probably no, Stuart, Jesus, he just likes to say he
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: just likes to say things like that to annoy me.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: But you know that song a little bit Chicken Fried
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: called me around Frida and that.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: You know what you could have you could have probably
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: just looked this that.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: If you know what song I'm talking about, and you know,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: if you know it, I know all the words, but
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: I'm just like this is I'm not sure about this song.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: So anyway, so they the Netflix like plays it and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: the kids start crying because they're listening to the song
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: in the car because their dad always would sit and
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: listen to that song. I'm guessing because he was like
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: from Ireland. It's like a super southern song.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: Probably got an acting real goofy with it.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: And they yeah, and they're they're listening as why they're
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: on their way to court. Well, their uncle who they do?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: They did say he they started calling him dad. So
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: I feel bad for these kids. They've had their mom,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: their original mom and dad, then they had the new
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: mom that they called mom, and now that they've got
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: a new mom and dad. So it's been a rough
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: go for these these kids. They seem pretty well adjusted
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: though for what they've been through. So their uncle, he
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: kind of gives them a pep talk and tells them
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: that it's you know, okay, we're done with the crying.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: It's time to be strong, and he tells them I
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: loved it. Then he's like, fuck these people, these people,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: these people, and you know the kids are like laughing,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: like you know, they they'd like, okay, we got to
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: go in there and really, you know, give our side
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: and see if we can.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Hold it together till we get out.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: So Jack and Sarah tell the judge that Mollie took
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: from them something they can never get back, and that
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: she lied to them and manipulated them, and that he
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: never hit her or anything like that. That they this
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: was there, finally their chance to say correct the record
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: on what they said back when they were eight and ten.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: This is their chance, and said, you know, he never
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: hit her, None of that ever happened. Well, they were
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: sentenced to fifty four to seventy one months and unfortunately,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: with the time served, they went to prison for about
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: eight months and then we're released. So they are free.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: So I don't know who this fucking Jodge was. Somebody
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Tom must have known.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom had something.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: It was Tom. I can't let you out but you know,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: eight months, eight months.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Tom, so we're back. We got Tom. Fucking
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Mollie got one last word in on the freaking documentary.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: So Tom's talking about how great Molly was and how
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: she did everything for those children, birthday parties, teaching them
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: to swim, doing all these great things for them, and
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: he just doesn't understand how they could hate Molly.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: Everybody hates Miles. Everyone has watched this documentary.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah but he but he's but he also just can't
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: understand just because you plan a birthday party and teach
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: a kid out to swim doesn't mean you can't also
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: be a shitty mom that's doing manipulative things and then
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: being terrible. You can be both. You can do both, Yes,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: you can. Yeah. So Mollie says at the end that
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: she will always think of herself as having been their mother,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: but in a different time period, it is a different
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Jack and Sarah. She was always their mother, so she
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: still claims, she doesn't claim that she's their mom now necessarily,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: but she still claims to have been a mom to these.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Children, these children at a certain point in time. Yes,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: so how sad I know?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, mom, I guess I don't know if she
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: ever had children. I'm guessing no, she should go have
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: her own children instead of trying to steal other people's children.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Maybe she's on the hunt for some children to steal
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, she's like one of those psycho bitches that
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: would like cut the baby out of the pregnant mom
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: and be like, I got some baby clothes for free,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: and then next thing you know, she's cutting a baby out.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: Now she's seems like the bunny Boiler.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: She's scary, and her dad, Tom would freaking yeah cover
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: up for one hundred percent.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: He'd probably helped her plot how to cut the baby out.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they So the police actually do think that this
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: was They couldn't prove it, but they do think that
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: what happened was because they talk about the story about
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: how Tom was supposed to have a dinner with his
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: former boss that evening, that he was actually at Molly
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: and Jason's home, but for some reason he canceled last
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: minute and headed over to North Carolina.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: And what he told the police was no, they had
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: planned on being there.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so things weren't matching up. And what the police
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: think is that Molly was going to try to orchestrate
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: some sort of fight and then try to get her
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: dad to come in and witness it, witness it or
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: be a part of the give him a reason to
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: be able to attack.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they went everything from Molly plot orchestrated this. She
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: wanted her dad there to witness it, so that she
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: had a witness, all the way up to where I
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: believe that time might have actually helped her plan it.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: In Mexico.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think he might have just been completely
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: I think they completely planned this. I think that she
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: either she gave him sleeping pills and beat him or whatever,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: or started hitting him or something, and then the dad
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: was involved. It's all sketchy, but I think that they
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  Speaker 1: planned the whole thing, the whole thing out. Psychopaths they are. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Stude, do you have a yelling Jesus? Because
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: I got to get to bed.
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  Speaker 2: I do have a yelling Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, are you ready to go?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: I'm always ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's hear it.
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  Speaker 2: Then, desperate man arrested for stealing an eight hundred pound
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: cannon from the Spanish American War.
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  Speaker 1: Well, is it you? Because something you would do.
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  Speaker 2: To settle a drug debt?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, never mind.
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  Speaker 2: Coming to us from the New York Post Darryl Kahn,
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  Speaker 2: published May seventh, twenty twenty five. Florida or not Florida?
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  Speaker 1: What was the war? Spanish American War?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, a Kansas man, the crook, this crooked cannon even
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: put what the hell this crooked cannon even pull off
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: a somebody, this.
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  Speaker 1: Crooked cannon eat like cannot like they were saying, cannon,
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  Speaker 1: this crook cannot even cannot.
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  Speaker 2: Even pull off a worthwhile theft. This author cannon even
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: pull off a worthwhile pun. A low level drug dealer
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  Speaker 2: stole an eight hundred pound cannon that was used in
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: the Spanish American War from a Kansas park last week
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: to settle a debt with his deranged boss, who was
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: threatening to murder him and his family, Authority said. Gordon Piers,
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  Speaker 2: thirty eight, was arrested Thursday after the seventeen ninety four
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  Speaker 2: cannon went missing from its podium in a Wichita park
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  Speaker 2: and was later discovered chopped into pieces. Piers told Investment
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  Speaker 2: in the pieces, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know why would you up into pieces?
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  Speaker 2: I'm guessing what is.
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  Speaker 1: It made out of that would be worth more money?
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  Speaker 1: Chopped up?
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  Speaker 2: Can I finish the story. I guess police. Pierce told
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: investigators that he was a meth user of twenty years
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: and that he owed his dealer twenty thousand dollars after
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: the pound of meth he was supposed to sell was
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: reportedly stolen. I'm sure it was stolen.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: A pound of myth goes for twenty thousand dollars. I
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: guess I'm in the wrong business, right.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: He said his dealer threatened to shoot him and his
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: family if he didn't come up with the cash to
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: repay the debt. That stressed that drug user planned to
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: sell copper from the statues made of material he could steal,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: he reportedly told cops. Pierce allegedly hatched the crackpot plant
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: to steal the cannon after driving around in desperation looking
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: for copper statues. When he came across Riverside Park, where
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: the massive artifact had been a fixture since nineteen hundred,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: He told investigators, opes, I pressed a button. He told
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  Speaker 2: investigators that the reason he targeted the cannon was because
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: it was in a dark place. Pierce then recruited a
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  Speaker 2: homeless man to help him with this plan by bribing
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: him with drugs and a pipe. The two men got
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: high on meth before trying to use their own muscles
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: to lift the eight hundred pound cannon. First, the pair
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: tried to lift the cannon into the bed of Pierce's
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: Chevrolet Tahoe, but it was too heavy. Next, they hooked
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: up a chain attached to the truck's hitch so the
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  Speaker 2: criminal mastermind could tow it off, except when he began
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: dragging it through the streets, the chain snapped in front
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: of an automatic motive shop. He abandoned the cannon there
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: and fled to a friend's house and acquired a new chain.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Pierce used it open and used the new chain. They
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: dragged it to his friend's house, where they hid it
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: in his garage. Inside the garage, Pierce allegedly chopped the
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: cannon into five hunks and took some of the parts
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: to the drug in hopes it would settle his debt.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe they This thing has made it since
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: seventeen ninety four and then these freaking meth heads. Yes,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: why is it sitting in a park unsecured? Though?
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  Speaker 2: Who would think that they're going to steal an eight
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  Speaker 2: hundred pound cannon?
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  Speaker 1: Someone could damage it though? Well, I know, graffitio or something.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently it can be stolen.
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  Speaker 2: It can be.
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  Speaker 1: I mean by not even that brilliant of a plan
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  Speaker 1: they just had that. You know what, if they would
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: put that that type of drive into a regular, you know, career,
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  Speaker 1: they could really I mean, because they were dedicated to
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: getting this cannon.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how dedicanned they were. They were just
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: smoking math and like, hey, you man's see something stable,
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  Speaker 2: Hold my bear. So he goes to the drug dealer.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Drug dealer is irate, according to records, and called Pierce
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  Speaker 2: stupid and told him he was going to bring heat
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  Speaker 2: to his house before yelling at him to get out.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: He's not wrong that he was stupid, since he didn't
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  Speaker 2: have an idea that has required a scrap sell scrap metal.
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  Speaker 2: Pierce had no real plan for pawning the eight hundred
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  Speaker 2: pound historical artifact. The next time he saw him, the
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: furious drug dealer allegedly told Pierce he was going to
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: shoot him in the head. Terrified, Pierce went to his mother,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: confessed and fell asleep. When he woke up, the cops
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: were there to arrest him. The swift investigation shows our
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: dedication to holding individuals responsible when they victimize our community.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Police said, what investigation? You didn't even know? Mom turned
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: him in. Officials from Whichita's Parks and Recreation estimated the
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: cannon is worth more than one hundred thousand dollars and
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: that Pierce caused ten thousand dollars worth of damage to
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: the granite pedestal during his hair brain caper.
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  Speaker 1: Again, why is one hundred thousand dollars cannon just sitting
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: out there without any time of Just move it indoors, okay,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: just go put it on display somewhere. We are not
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: a trustworthy American public. We cannot handle expensive artifacts out
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: in the in the open.
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  Speaker 2: Stew Who do I think we are Europe? Or you
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: have expensive statues and whatnot sitting around.
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  Speaker 1: We we are. It needs to be in a museum,
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  Speaker 1: It needs to be behind barriers.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Too many goddamn methads run around America and I have
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: those kind of ship land around.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: We cannot leave things like this laying around. So if
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: you are in a city and you have a canon
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: from you know, seventeen four, bring it inside. That's the
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: moral of this story. So all right, Well it is
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: late and I need to go to bed, so yeah, Stewart, No,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: we need to go to bed all right. I guess
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: we will see you next time. Buy everyone say by stew.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: You know it's bad to.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Be he's superstitious. But nothing else is working, and my
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: hands ringing and hurting.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sick O.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: It's worrying bout the f