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Speaker 2: Hi, welcome to this special edition of the ESPN Scrum
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Speaker 2: Reset Podcast. Sam Bruce joined us ever by Christy Dora
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Speaker 2: and Christy got a couple of special guests in the
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Speaker 2: Schmid house this week.
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Speaker 3: He had to let.
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Speaker 2: Uslow one the Rugby direct boys, Elliott Smith, Liam Nabier,
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Speaker 2: welcome in.
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Speaker 4: Great to be here to me.
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Speaker 5: Here's Sam Sidney's send it on for us and look
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Speaker 5: forward to one of you boys up.
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Speaker 2: You're blowing a bit of a Meghan Gale out there
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Speaker 2: this afternoon, but glad we turned the warm weather on
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Speaker 2: for you this week. Christie has plenty to talk about.
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Speaker 2: Let us slow week. It's always a big week here
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Speaker 2: in Sydney and across Australia. First time we've had this
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Speaker 2: game here in Sydney since twenty twenty COVID times.
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Speaker 3: We've been through two.
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Speaker 2: Coaches since them, Dave Readie into Eddie Jones, now Joe Schmith.
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Speaker 2: We're back at a Courl Stadium. The crowd around about
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Speaker 2: sixty thousand. How are you?
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Speaker 3: How are the vibes this week? You've been in Sydney
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Speaker 3: in your travels.
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Speaker 6: Well, you're right, the weather has turned it on. I
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Speaker 6: know that Raised Robinson will get too later on, but
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Speaker 6: he was enjoying and joining the surf and that's what
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Speaker 6: our New Zealand friends are enjoying right now. But I'll
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Speaker 6: tell you what it does seem quite. I know that
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Speaker 6: the three of us, the four of us, we love
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Speaker 6: our agy, we get to we know, we live and
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Speaker 6: breathe it. But if you look around that the Shanne landscape,
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Speaker 6: the media landscape, is the blendesslope buzz there right now,
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Speaker 6: I don't know if it is, but hopefully Saturday afternoon
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Speaker 6: they will be boys.
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Speaker 2: Give us a sense of the vibes in New Zealand
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Speaker 2: at I'm and around Scott robertson this new Paul Blacks
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Speaker 2: of Year, Eliot, I know you're in South Africa and
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Speaker 2: calling the games for news talk. Zed be two losses
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Speaker 2: to tight losses. What's been the I guess the feedback
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Speaker 2: the response to those two defeats of South Africa and
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Speaker 2: I guess three defeats out of four and the RUGBA gym. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think there's been a few wobbles with this team
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Speaker 2: since they started and probably haven't seen the game plan
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Speaker 2: that we was thinking we might get from Scotlarly on
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Speaker 2: his ten yures taken a wildest sort of imprint, his
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Speaker 2: fingerprints on the Seamon in South Africa.
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Speaker 7: Maybe going over there and getting we'll win it. A
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Speaker 7: loss would have been a good return, but they've ended
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Speaker 7: up with two close losses. Glass a full approach, you see.
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Speaker 7: Actually there's some signs building there that maybe beginning to
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Speaker 7: see the game plan. But again they were defeats and
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Speaker 7: if you're an All Blacks team that hasn't ended over
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Speaker 7: the Freedom Cup to so Afya since two thousand and
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Speaker 7: a night, you've just done it for the first time
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Speaker 7: since then, you're not going to win the Rugby Championship.
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Speaker 7: So it does ultimately feel like a step back.
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Speaker 6: To this point.
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Speaker 7: It's you're optimist, you can see that there's something happening
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Speaker 7: in this All Blacks team. If you're not, you figure
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Speaker 7: it's more of the same and maybe you've step backwards
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Speaker 7: from last.
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Speaker 3: Year and Lamb.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, we've got Mills Lilian telling as here in Australia
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Speaker 2: it's our fault that the All Blacks are Batlan bar
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Speaker 2: under Scott Robinson and Alida Hills if you're watching Jeff
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Speaker 2: Wilson some interesting excuses.
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Speaker 3: As well, but.
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Speaker 2: His raising getting a bit of a free hit at
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Speaker 2: the moment. Or are you guys at the public starting
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Speaker 2: to come I guess is the tide turning because everyone
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Speaker 2: thought he was going to come in and you know
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Speaker 2: it was going to be to raise the six that
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Speaker 2: he's had with Canterbury and then the Crusaders obviously clearly
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Speaker 2: doesn't have his made man Richiemonger there, but I guess
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Speaker 2: the magic hasn't turned up in the Black Jersey just yet.
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Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 5: I think you know, the War Tales obviously have to
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Speaker 5: cop their first.
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Speaker 4: Year of culpability.
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Speaker 5: But you're right, Razor came in with a massive amount
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Speaker 5: of public goodwill. Seven titles were the Crusaders, he was
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Speaker 5: the Golden Goose, Haid the Midas Touch and I think
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Speaker 5: he's found out very quickly that Test rugby is a
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Speaker 5: very different beast, so that the midpoint in this season
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Speaker 5: he's four wins, three losses and it's been disappointing, frustrating.
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Speaker 5: I think the loss of Alice Park was heartening to
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Speaker 5: a degree. There was a lot of good to take
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Speaker 5: out of that, but the following week disheartening because the
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Speaker 5: All Blacks probably went backwards and they didn't improve the
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Speaker 5: final quarter meltdowns. It was a big issue and one
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Speaker 5: of the frustrations for me from a selection perspective. Razor
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Speaker 5: came in with a bit of a mandate to evolve
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Speaker 5: this team post World Cup. We've had a lot of departures,
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Speaker 5: there's a lot of coaching changes, and it's largely been
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Speaker 5: much of the same. He hasn't brought through a lot
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Speaker 5: of youth, and the youth he has brought through has
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Speaker 5: been largely booked, so still waiting for him to really
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Speaker 5: put his imprint. As Elliot said, the honor his game plan,
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Speaker 5: but also the selections.
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Speaker 6: I find it surprising the idea that Rais has been
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Speaker 6: considered ben conservative. I actually think it's the other way around.
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Speaker 6: I think that Rais has done the Zach right thing
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Speaker 6: in terms of selection. He's gone with guys, the generational
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Speaker 6: change over overnight with Aaron Smith, with Brady Retallic, Sam Whitelock,
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Speaker 6: Dane Coles. You take that heartbeat out, you need to
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Speaker 6: keep the other familiar faces that have been there for
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Speaker 6: the last few years. So look, I'd love to know
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Speaker 6: who these faces are that people keep going what about him?
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Speaker 6: What about him? What Sam Kaine? If you don't have
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Speaker 6: a Sam Kain who's wearing the nump seven jersey tomorrow
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Speaker 6: on Saturday. Rather, I'm wondering where the experience. It's where
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Speaker 6: the leadership is because you need to have these guys
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Speaker 6: there whilst you bring in your court is Radamus who's
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Speaker 6: there because of injuries to other people who would have
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Speaker 6: been new faces anyway, given that Rsmith no longer.
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Speaker 4: Well it's a fair point.
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Speaker 5: But guys like Wallace to Tt that the success stories
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Speaker 5: of this all black team have come from the youth.
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Speaker 5: So Wallace to Tt was a standout at Blindside, he
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Speaker 5: only came in against the spring Box because of injuries.
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Speaker 5: Tupu Vai has been one of the revelations at Locke
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Speaker 5: to Mighty Williams another young guy in the front row.
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Speaker 4: And then just some of the selections.
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Speaker 5: Riko Wanne's dropped one week, he's brought back the next
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Speaker 5: Will Jordan starts at fullback, then he's the next week
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Speaker 5: he's on the wing. So struggling to see a bit
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Speaker 5: of a plan here. And Billy Proctor is another one.
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Speaker 5: He was the standout center and super rugby was brilliant
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Speaker 5: against Fiji and he hasn't been cited since, so rika
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Speaker 5: Awani's approven talents in the midfield, but he's under a
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Speaker 5: bit of pressure, so I think people just want to
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Speaker 5: see the youth come through a little bit more. But
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Speaker 5: you're right, there has been massive change and there's still
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Speaker 5: some experience. But we talk about guys like Sam Kaine, TJ.
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Speaker 4: Pittanara.
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Speaker 5: They're leaving at the end of the year, so they're
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Speaker 5: not the future. And there is the balance between the
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Speaker 5: win and the now and plan for the future. You
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Speaker 5: have to win every test as an All Black coach,
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Speaker 5: so it is a difficult balancing act.
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Speaker 3: Kind of feels like the most interesting.
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Speaker 2: Intriguing All Blacks period we've had for some time. And
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Speaker 2: I look at the squad that they've got now, and
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Speaker 2: particularly the bench, and with all due respect to the
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Speaker 2: All Blacks, and I said this from a Wallaby's perspective,
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Speaker 2: who won four and three and I go through a
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Speaker 2: massive period of change over and heap in you basis
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Speaker 2: sixteen deputantes this season. But I compare this to the
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Speaker 2: great All Blacks teams of twenty eleven to twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 2: and it doesn't It doesn't fright me as a Wallaby
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Speaker 2: thinking as a Wallaby supporter, and that's saying as you know,
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Speaker 2: clearly I expect them to get beaten this weekend and
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Speaker 2: beaten handsomely. But comparing this current era to that one
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Speaker 2: now and it's just not the same. We see the
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Speaker 2: Springboks having you know, a brilliant time but clearly the
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Speaker 2: world's best team. Ireland may have something to say about that,
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Speaker 2: but they are going through a real moment, a golden period,
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Speaker 2: and I just think that the All Blacks have come
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Speaker 2: out of that. There's going to be a shuffling period
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Speaker 2: here for Scott robertson how long it takes him to
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Speaker 2: navigate it.
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Speaker 3: And it's an excellent.
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Speaker 2: Point around you know, TJ Paranara and Sam Cane finishing
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Speaker 2: up this year, that's even more experience going out of
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Speaker 2: that side, almost a tail end of that great generation
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Speaker 2: finishing up. And I mean Robinson's got rasores, He's got
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Speaker 2: a job ahead of it.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, we can't managine it up gage test which experience.
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Speaker 7: It's the only way is by getting this Buzzers experience
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Speaker 7: and getting them in there and those final quarter bell
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Speaker 7: Jones that have talked about they probably haven't got that
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Speaker 7: bench exactly right and there's a little bit of experimentation
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Speaker 7: again we sit this week in with Tomasi Williams and
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Speaker 7: Pussily or tossing that coming off the bench too big
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Speaker 7: impactful props rather than off thing a fussy which are
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Speaker 7: new Auklands engin. So there's a little bit of trial
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Speaker 7: in Europe I think going on with this all Blacks team,
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Speaker 7: and then what the actual Beast twenty three is. We
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Speaker 7: haven't seen it through seven tes so far in the season.
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Speaker 7: We might not e con see it till perhaps the
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Speaker 7: end of the year tour and then maybe even early
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Speaker 7: next year. Where you go, okay, this is what Scott
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Speaker 7: Roberts wants to get out of this team. This is
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Speaker 7: his ideal twenty three, first choice, but at this point
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Speaker 7: it feels like it's mix and match and trying to
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Speaker 7: see how things work.
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Speaker 2: They were brilliant of the breakdown in Cape Town. I
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Speaker 2: think it was four or five steals from a variety
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Speaker 2: of players. The Wallabies have only gone with one fetch
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Speaker 2: will come and we'll dig into these two teams shortly
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Speaker 2: this weekend.
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Speaker 3: Only phrasing were right.
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Speaker 2: Joshmik did comment today that he thought about considering the
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Speaker 2: two fetcher approach, which coincidentally Michael Checker the first time
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Speaker 2: he blooded Michael Hooper and David Pocock together was his
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Speaker 2: first letislough here in Sydney in twenty fifteen. There's a
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Speaker 2: little statwoy Christie.
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Speaker 3: But I mean it's not all doom and glue. Is it?
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Speaker 2: Like? There were patches there and at the final quarter
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Speaker 2: is clearly an issue your piece for us a couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks ago, Lamb having scored a point after the
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Speaker 2: fifty second minute there for three tests running and that's
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Speaker 2: got to be a big concern.
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Speaker 3: I mean, can that.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it'll be a concern this week somehow
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Speaker 2: given the way that they played it here in Sydney
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Speaker 2: in recent times. But is that, I mean, what is
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Speaker 2: the issue there with the batch Didney.
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Speaker 4: I think it's a multitude of things. It's Scot Robinson's
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Speaker 4: maintained the.
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Speaker 5: Fact that there are opportunities there and if you look
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Speaker 5: at the last test in Cape Town, Damien McKenzie missed
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Speaker 5: I think at least two penalties, so there were opportunities
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Speaker 5: for the All Blacks to score points. But it's not
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Speaker 5: just who's on the bench. It's the use of it
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Speaker 5: as well, some weird strange use of the bench. Some
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Speaker 5: players playing five minutes, ten minutes, fifteen minutes. It's really
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Speaker 5: hard to get into the contest and so I think
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Speaker 5: there's been a lack of trust in that bench. You
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Speaker 5: saw the changes and the last test for the All
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Speaker 5: Blacks they went back to experience with Boden Barrett and
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Speaker 5: TJ Peinara going back to the bench this week. It
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Speaker 5: is reasonably an experience, so, like Elliott says, it is
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Speaker 5: still a bit of trial and error, and it also
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Speaker 5: is a reflection.
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Speaker 2: Of those guys who have left post World Cup. And
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Speaker 2: this has sparked a discussion in New Zealand and ongoing
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Speaker 2: discussion about should New Zealand rugby sleep from overseas because
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Speaker 2: if you bring back one or two or three players
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Speaker 2: and bolster your death, that's where the bench is feeling
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Speaker 2: the most pain. So that's an ongoing discussion.
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Speaker 5: I know, as you guys through there's various different models
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Speaker 5: around the world in Australia, South Africa and the like
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Speaker 5: Ritchie Mooman you touched on as Raises Man. He's his
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Speaker 5: quarterback and he would desperately love them back. He can't
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Speaker 5: select them from Japan, and there's a few others leicesterifying
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Speaker 5: and look you and maybe you would bring back in
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Speaker 5: Aaron Smith, but that does compromise courts at Artima's development,
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Speaker 5: so that there's pros and cons the eree.
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Speaker 6: It's a fascinating argument. I'm strongly in the camp that
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Speaker 6: Rugan Australia needs to look abroad. It's so clear that
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Speaker 6: two decades without the Bladisloe Cup and last year's embarrassing
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Speaker 6: World Cup performance, that you need to look abroad because
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Speaker 6: the talent here is just not strong enough. But comparatively,
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Speaker 6: I think it is still very much strong enough in
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Speaker 6: New Zealand. And even the fact that the discussions at
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Speaker 6: Richie Muwanga might well come back in a year or
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Speaker 6: two his testament to the strength of the eligibility laws
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Speaker 6: that are on offer at the moment. Richie likely will
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Speaker 6: come back. He was thinking about playing for a different
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Speaker 6: nation at the next World Cup. That won't occur if
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Speaker 6: he's back in New Zealand and super Rugby. So I
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Speaker 6: think it'd be so naive and short sighted to try
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Speaker 6: and ban the rules because of one or two people.
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Speaker 6: And then if you do that, you can the genie
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Speaker 6: is out of the bottle.
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Speaker 3: It's easy to look for.
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Speaker 7: A short term flex, isn't it. You go, Okay, we've
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Speaker 7: lost to loss two matches in South Africa, you go,
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Speaker 7: how do we fix it? Well, these players overseas that
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Speaker 7: are quite ended. But does it actually help your development
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Speaker 7: of your test team in two years time, five years time,
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Speaker 7: ten years time. I think the jury is out on that.
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Speaker 7: I do think thy professional sport moves at a real
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Speaker 7: clip and sometimes you just can't. You can't go into
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Speaker 7: the tie. Sometimes you've got to make these decisions. So
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Speaker 7: es fascinating to see we used on rugby lens on it.
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Speaker 7: I think they're going to at some point get to
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Speaker 7: a model where maybe it's one forward, one back or
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Speaker 7: something like that.
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Speaker 3: To put it as all blext.
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Speaker 2: Before we come to your thoughts on the Wallabies boys,
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Speaker 2: is Damian McKenzie's honestly running out of time at number ten? Yes,
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Speaker 2: And though he hasn't grasped that ten, Jersey hasn't stated
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Speaker 2: his case and said this is mine.
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Speaker 5: I'm going to run this team for the next four years.
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Speaker 5: But there aren't a whole lot of options there. There's Boden, Barrett,
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Speaker 5: Steven Petterfitzer Harry Plummer, but two of those guys are
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Speaker 5: unproven at test level. Boden Barrett hasn't played ten and
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Speaker 5: test rugby for the best part of two years. Raisers
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Speaker 5: stuck with Damien and he's given them every opportunity, but
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Speaker 5: there are real question marks around his game management in
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Speaker 5: the last quarter, goalkicking under pressure, so he needs to
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Speaker 5: show a.
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Speaker 4: Lot more to own that jersey.
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Speaker 2: I think back to Dadad and last year and the
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Speaker 2: Wallabies were really able to rail him in that first
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Speaker 2: half and Richie came on and you know, build them
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Speaker 2: out of the line with a long range penalty there
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Speaker 2: the finish. But I mean that first half was all
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Speaker 2: Australia and Damien McKenzie just couldn't get.
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Speaker 3: Out of the pocket.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and a lot of it I think in that
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Speaker 5: test comes down to platform, and I would argue he's
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Speaker 5: actually had a reasonable platform. One of the big concerns
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Speaker 5: with the All Blacks going in South Africa was they
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Speaker 5: were going to get out muscled the spring Boks. We
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Speaker 5: know their physicality, but I thought the All Blacks one
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Speaker 5: of their revelations over there was their set piece, their
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Speaker 5: breakdown work. As you touched on they matched up physically,
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Speaker 5: so they provided a platform.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, midgame matters we talk about you know, we're talking
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Speaker 7: about the bench as well. The last quarter. It's not
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Speaker 7: all down to the beach. It sounded the three is
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Speaker 7: five pulling the strings of the park and Damien McKinsey
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Speaker 7: remaining out there and going right, boys, this is how
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Speaker 7: we get down the other end of the park was
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Speaker 7: how we get out of trouble. And I think in
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Speaker 7: the last twenty twenty five minutes the games we haven't
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Speaker 7: quite si.
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Speaker 5: There's also been some reveeling stats around the All Blacks
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Speaker 5: kicking and their contestable kicks. I think was it Alice
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Speaker 5: Parker or Cape Town They kept twenty five times and
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Speaker 5: only got two kicks back. So those sorts of things
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Speaker 5: are on your game drivers. They need to own those
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Speaker 5: and their massive parts of their brief.
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Speaker 6: And that's an now element of the game where the
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Speaker 6: All Blacks when they've beaten the Wallabies well and convincingly,
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Speaker 6: they've dominated them in the kicking battle. And I think
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Speaker 6: back to Noel Lacio's deve boom in twenty twenty and
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Speaker 6: he had a Simoni outside of them, and the Wallabies
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Speaker 6: kicking game was dreadful and the All Blast kicking game
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Speaker 6: was absolutely elite and they just ran rings around the
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Speaker 6: Wallabies and I wouldn't be surprised if they go for
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Speaker 6: a kick heavy focus in that first twenty minutes on
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Speaker 6: Sunday afternoon.
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Speaker 2: We've spoken about the restarts as well on our regular point,
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Speaker 2: Christie Jets tell me, I mean, what's been the reaction to.
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Speaker 3: The wallabys woes therefore?
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Speaker 2: And three like the All Blacks clearly a couple of
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Speaker 2: you know, heavy defeats and then also a much easier
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Speaker 2: July series against Wales and Georgia got through those you know,
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Speaker 2: I guess fairly comminently in the end. But I mean,
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Speaker 2: what's the feeling around Australia Rugby at the moment is
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Speaker 2: as bad as Mills and Jeff Wilson has believe well.
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Speaker 7: I think last year there was a bit of shutting
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Speaker 7: fraud around Eddie Jones and the whole thing absolutely blying
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Speaker 7: up and Rugby Australia's face. Now this year I think
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Speaker 7: is what do we speak for joshmu what is ever
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Speaker 7: to do with Island, what it is able to do
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Speaker 7: with the All Blacks? And so because it was a
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Speaker 7: kiwi in charge. We like Joshmitt, so there's a you know,
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Speaker 7: watching with an interesting round. How are they going to
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Speaker 7: get the small beest team out of trouble? But I
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Speaker 7: think New Zealand Rugby needs the Wallabies to be strong
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Speaker 7: and be competitive and bleddersow cuts because this is you know,
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Speaker 7: they've moched together with Super Rugby app. But there's no
15:22
Speaker 7: two ways about it. Yeah they need Yeah, of course
15:24
Speaker 7: you said that doesn't want to have the blades lower
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Speaker 7: every year, but they need these games to feel. But
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Speaker 7: I just think that at this point in time, you know,
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Speaker 7: there's a watchful interest in no one saw them get
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Speaker 7: a glide out while they didn't stand to fake twenty
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Speaker 7: points to three up. But I just think that there's
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Speaker 7: probably a feeling that they don't have the.
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Speaker 3: Cattle at the moment.
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Speaker 7: And Joe Schmidt, you know he's with Wonders with Ireland,
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Speaker 7: with wonders with the All Blacks and turned around some
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Speaker 7: of that attack that he can over time, if he's
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Speaker 7: given the time, you know, do some things with this team.
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Speaker 5: I think there's an understanding about the Wolves being teared
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Speaker 5: down and trying to rebuild this team and just what
15:57
Speaker 5: a salvage mission that is a head of the Lions tour.
16:00
Speaker 5: But there was a bit of shock certainly and their
16:04
Speaker 5: result in Argentina, I think what the Wildbies can side
16:07
Speaker 5: sixty four plods sixty four points in the last fifteen minutes.
16:12
Speaker 5: You just cannot be performing that bad as a test nation,
16:15
Speaker 5: right And you hope and you expect that there.
16:17
Speaker 4: Was a one off.
16:19
Speaker 5: But as Eliev says, New Zealand rugby needs Australia and
16:23
Speaker 5: I think there is still the interest there because if
16:25
Speaker 5: you look to next week in Wellington the return Bleeders
16:27
Speaker 5: though that sold out in Wellington, so that the history,
16:32
Speaker 5: the legacy of the Beasow Cup still carries weight in
16:34
Speaker 5: New Zealand's and that the test earlier this year and
16:38
Speaker 5: Wellington against the Puma was only half full. So the Wallabies,
16:42
Speaker 5: I guess, no matter what state there and still demands
16:47
Speaker 5: the respect.
16:48
Speaker 4: Or the lure of the New Zealand rugby public.
16:50
Speaker 6: The interesting point that you made there was does a
16:52
Speaker 6: shan Rugby have cattle? I just don't think they do.
16:54
Speaker 6: And then if you look at two sides this swag,
16:57
Speaker 6: I think there's only one Wallaby in the fifth day
16:59
Speaker 6: and there started and that challenge for a place in
17:02
Speaker 6: the all black stifth day, and I think that's wrong, Valotin.
17:04
Speaker 6: I think Angus Bell and taniela two on potential would
17:07
Speaker 6: be close to the twenty three it gets out. It
17:10
Speaker 6: could tell when you think about someone like an Anton
17:12
Speaker 6: Lenon Brown, you can't even get a crack or the
17:14
Speaker 6: Billy Procters of the world. I think I don't even
17:16
Speaker 6: know if he would. So it's complete mismatches across the
17:20
Speaker 6: park at the moment. And that's the harsh reality of
17:22
Speaker 6: it that no one in a Shane Rugby saint's prepared
17:24
Speaker 6: to be able to swallow at the moment because we
17:27
Speaker 6: occasionally fool ourselves into thinking that you odd performance against
17:31
Speaker 6: Wales and Georgia. Wales sent out a second string side
17:35
Speaker 6: really and fair world to generation themselves. They are only
17:39
Speaker 6: a rolling war two away from losing there. And and
17:43
Speaker 6: so look, it's a it's a it's a massive rebuilding
17:48
Speaker 6: process and it's possible that we're not even at rock
17:50
Speaker 6: bottom at the moment. You know, everyone thought that off
17:52
Speaker 6: the back of Eddie's disaster last year that that was
17:55
Speaker 6: rock bottom. I don't know if it is. We've already
17:57
Speaker 6: seen the Melbourne Rebels go under this year, it does
18:00
Speaker 6: seem like doom and gloom, but yeah, like it's it's
18:04
Speaker 6: a it's a massive wave.
18:06
Speaker 7: But if you hear those players coming through at the
18:08
Speaker 7: US roots into the under twenties, what's the quality of
18:11
Speaker 7: players like there? Because that's where it all starts, isn't
18:13
Speaker 7: it getting those players and wanting to play rugby? You know,
18:16
Speaker 7: are the playing rugby League and at playing AFL because
18:19
Speaker 7: that's where it all starts. And this is a problem
18:20
Speaker 7: that you're dealing with now, but in reality it probably
18:22
Speaker 7: started twenty years ago when maybe kids stopped playing rugby,
18:25
Speaker 7: stop seeing the heroes.
18:26
Speaker 6: Whatever it is you're paying for it now exactly and
18:29
Speaker 6: rus you'd be able to talk to that as well.
18:31
Speaker 6: But last ten years it's just seen that rugby players
18:34
Speaker 6: have been targeted, you know, private schools. Once upon a
18:36
Speaker 6: time most came through to the World is and now
18:40
Speaker 6: they go through on Rugby League scholarships. They certainly go
18:43
Speaker 6: through on AFL scholarships. It's a competitive market. But when
18:47
Speaker 6: the worldbies don't win, what do you want to then
18:49
Speaker 6: turn into what their winning?
18:51
Speaker 3: Is the key? And it's been far too long since Australia.
18:54
Speaker 2: Hell the burst less certainly as an Australian and there's
18:56
Speaker 2: only you know, we've got a generation of kids now.
18:59
Speaker 2: I've never seen it on this side of the tasmud
19:01
Speaker 2: And you know, I remember saying to my old man
19:03
Speaker 2: and the Third Test when Matt Burkey did he shoulder
19:07
Speaker 2: score in the match winning try of that game, coming
19:09
Speaker 2: down to Sydney for one of the first few times,
19:11
Speaker 2: and how nice it would be to see a live
19:14
Speaker 2: Letislav three And he said, don't ever say that the
19:17
Speaker 2: first two games it's home and os and I didn't
19:20
Speaker 2: know what he meant at the time, but here we are,
19:22
Speaker 2: twenty two years on them.
19:23
Speaker 3: I clearly understand his message.
19:25
Speaker 2: Now let's look at the two teams this week, Christie,
19:28
Speaker 2: it's a big well, not pigins for the wallaby some
19:31
Speaker 2: inns for the Wallabies, I guess call them and given
19:33
Speaker 2: you just assassinated, but you've got Noviously Nick White is
19:38
Speaker 2: the big one coming back in at number nine.
19:40
Speaker 3: Let's start there.
19:42
Speaker 2: I think a lot of Wallaby's fans probably disappointed to
19:45
Speaker 2: see that introduction. Sorry that that addition, but Joe revealing
19:51
Speaker 2: it was a bit of illness went through the camp
19:53
Speaker 2: in Argentina and certainly Jake Gordon and Tate McDermott were
19:57
Speaker 2: a bit tired coming back from that journey, but also
20:00
Speaker 2: Jake Gordon a fairly unforgivable error that offside there early
20:04
Speaker 2: in the second half, which just gave Argentina that ability
20:07
Speaker 2: to continue that momentu and that they built late in
20:09
Speaker 2: the first half and then scored early after halftime as well.
20:12
Speaker 2: I think he's probably paid the price for that. But
20:14
Speaker 2: I mean, what's Nick White going to do this with it?
20:16
Speaker 2: What does it say about the Wallabies game plan this weekend.
20:18
Speaker 6: Well, it's a fascinating if he's been spared because of that,
20:21
Speaker 6: it's a really interesting selection and it's a bit of
20:25
Speaker 6: a statement there from Joe Schmidt, so I would have
20:27
Speaker 6: loved to have heard him talk about that. We didn't
20:29
Speaker 6: hear any of that. We didn't hear the reasons the
20:31
Speaker 6: rationale really behind Jake Gordon missing out other than a
20:35
Speaker 6: somewhat of a mystery illness that's gone through. But let's
20:38
Speaker 6: be honest. A week and a half, yeah, a week
20:41
Speaker 6: and a half ago.
20:41
Speaker 2: Look, Nick White's a prickly character and from what I've
20:44
Speaker 2: been told, that's one of the reasons why he's been selected.
20:47
Speaker 2: My own concern about that is that Nick what has
20:50
Speaker 2: barely played for three months. He started against the spring
20:55
Speaker 2: Box in Perth and looked for us and the accuracy
20:57
Speaker 2: of his box kick was not there, kicks fast, too
21:00
Speaker 2: long and followed actually by Jake Gordon having a pool
21:02
Speaker 2: match with the Boot a week earlier. But when you're
21:06
Speaker 2: starting someone that's barely played and you're expecting them to
21:09
Speaker 2: be perfect, I just don't think it works. And it
21:11
Speaker 2: didn't work during the day of any era where it
21:13
Speaker 2: was rotating and revolving door at the night. They have
21:16
Speaker 2: not been able to set a lot of number nine
21:17
Speaker 2: for this team, not since Wilgetty had departed. And I
21:20
Speaker 2: think we've seen Nick White's best tests off the bench.
21:23
Speaker 2: We saw it in the twenty nineteen World Cup. We
21:25
Speaker 2: saw it in twenty fifteen when he scored a match
21:27
Speaker 2: when at the Olympic Park there.
21:30
Speaker 6: So it's a big call. It's possibly been made with
21:34
Speaker 6: the idea of Nola and Coe their partnership, But I
21:37
Speaker 6: think the other factor in this is that Nick White's
21:40
Speaker 6: a controlling voice, and I don't know if there's enough
21:43
Speaker 6: controllers that have won big matches, and when you're trying
21:47
Speaker 6: to change the ethos of the side and restore some
21:54
Speaker 6: confidence off the back of complete shellaking, where Joe Schmidt
21:57
Speaker 6: described it as falling off a cliff. Maybe Nick White
22:00
Speaker 6: is the sort of guy that could prove help gens.
22:03
Speaker 2: I know Tate McDermott has a lot of fans and
22:05
Speaker 2: easy on that you're surprised that the Wallabies haven't used
22:08
Speaker 2: him on a more consistent basis over the past few years.
22:11
Speaker 3: I don't get the aversion into him.
22:12
Speaker 7: I think he's a very very good halfs back and
22:15
Speaker 7: better than the other two options in the squad. Is nippy,
22:18
Speaker 7: He's really good around the base of the ruck, has
22:19
Speaker 7: a strong pass and yet he seems to have been
22:21
Speaker 7: cast into being the specialist introl. He looks like a
22:24
Speaker 7: leader on the part to me as well. I don't
22:26
Speaker 7: give why multiple coaches now I sort of consign them
22:29
Speaker 7: to that wearing the twenty one trees.
22:30
Speaker 5: If you look at where the global games going from
22:33
Speaker 5: a half back perspective, you have to have a running
22:35
Speaker 5: threat at nine, and Tate.
22:38
Speaker 4: Mcdonnert is that guy.
22:40
Speaker 5: Courtiers Artima is to a certain degree, and Cam royguard
22:44
Speaker 5: who will come back and be the All Blacks leading
22:46
Speaker 5: half back as a lethal threat. Anton Dupoulon, you can
22:49
Speaker 5: go through the list, so he's a point of difference.
22:52
Speaker 5: When you carry the ball from the ruck, you engage
22:54
Speaker 5: those defenders and give them so much more to think
22:58
Speaker 5: about rather than just passing from the base. So maybe
23:00
Speaker 5: there's a tactical ship with the Worldbees that the All
23:03
Speaker 5: Blacks back three were badly exposed and Cape Town by
23:07
Speaker 5: the All Blacks, so maybe they're going to piple them
23:09
Speaker 5: with highballs and that's why they've gone with neck White.
23:11
Speaker 5: But take McDermott for me is by far and away
23:15
Speaker 5: the best halfback because he provides that different threat.
23:19
Speaker 6: Well. Interestingly, Eddie Jones one and perhaps the selection he's
23:22
Speaker 6: got right was topydermot at he played a lot there,
23:25
Speaker 6: has even given the captains he wasn't he for that
23:27
Speaker 6: Bledisloe clash across the diction dune Eden And indeed that's
23:31
Speaker 6: where the Wallabies were outstanding in that first half. So
23:34
Speaker 6: I think it's a valid point. And you even look
23:36
Speaker 6: against Argentina he of course scored that try in the
23:40
Speaker 6: second half, the only points that the wall of he's
23:42
Speaker 6: got there, but he also engaged a couple of defenders
23:46
Speaker 6: from a set Be's turned Maerka Corabdi back inside, who
23:49
Speaker 6: unfortunately then got banged into touch. So would have believed
23:52
Speaker 6: that a meter out from the line. But that was
23:54
Speaker 6: another highlights, real moment that didn't really get to be
23:57
Speaker 6: shyed because Corbeedy didn't finish it off. But you're spot on.
24:02
Speaker 6: He is a threat, and I think they need more threats.
24:05
Speaker 3: How much Jesse?
24:06
Speaker 2: You think the all Bays can think that they can
24:08
Speaker 2: overpower this Quallaby team, particularly in the back line because
24:11
Speaker 2: it is a small back line that's not better around
24:13
Speaker 2: the bush, and that was a small tan Hunha will
24:15
Speaker 2: probably plays, you know, a couple of classes out of
24:17
Speaker 2: his body weight. He's still a small guy. Icky Tao's
24:20
Speaker 2: got power, but built barely low to the ground up
24:23
Speaker 2: against you know, Jordi Enrico, Caleb Clark on that wing.
24:26
Speaker 3: Up against Andrew Kellaway.
24:28
Speaker 2: Do they think they'll see some real ability to to
24:31
Speaker 2: I guess, bludgeon the Wallies in the backs?
24:33
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so.
24:33
Speaker 7: And I think Jordy Barrett has had a relatively quiet
24:36
Speaker 7: Test season to this point by his own standards. But
24:38
Speaker 7: I think you look at that channel and where he
24:39
Speaker 7: might attack on the weekend, Tim Rico Jade. I think
24:41
Speaker 7: we'll go down that channel very very often. Trunk make
24:45
Speaker 7: some games there. I think they can do that. Cadile
24:47
Speaker 7: Clark's been in superb form. We saw him one of
24:49
Speaker 7: the probably all Blacks best in that game in Johannesburg.
24:52
Speaker 7: He comes back in this week. He can add some
24:55
Speaker 7: real running threats out wide. So I think you're right.
24:57
Speaker 7: I think Bill Blacks will take the chances.
25:00
Speaker 2: There and go man to man. We've probably got one
25:02
Speaker 2: of those numbers Laam up front. Harry Wilson a guy
25:05
Speaker 2: that Raiser Robins had. It's pretty nice things to say
25:07
Speaker 2: about a few years ago when he was on the
25:10
Speaker 2: outer with the Wallabies, and I think it was a
25:11
Speaker 2: bit like Tate McDermott, the curiousness that why the Wallabies
25:17
Speaker 2: weren't giving Harry Wilson more time. He fill out a
25:19
Speaker 2: favor under Dave Bran. He didn't get a look in
25:21
Speaker 2: under Eddie last year. But he looks like a Joe
25:23
Speaker 2: Schmitt player.
25:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's curious for me.
25:27
Speaker 5: He's almost a New Zealand style los forward and has
25:30
Speaker 5: ability to offload range in the wide channels. He's got
25:34
Speaker 5: all the skills. Maybe he's not the biggest physical specimen.
25:37
Speaker 5: Maybe that's why he fell out of favor, but there's
25:40
Speaker 5: certainly surprised. He always performs well against KIV teams with
25:44
Speaker 5: the Reds, so he works hard, which fills the Joe
25:49
Speaker 5: Schmitt Cup. But just in terms of the upfront battle,
25:52
Speaker 5: I think that's where the All Blacks. You talk about
25:54
Speaker 5: the power based approach, I think that's where they'll really
25:56
Speaker 5: come for the Wallabies. Their scrum was disintegrated against the
26:00
Speaker 5: Pomas and that's been a real strength of the All
26:03
Speaker 5: Blacks this year under Jason Ryan, so I think Mike
26:06
Speaker 5: Cron's got a hell of a task hit of them
26:08
Speaker 5: to keep their area stable and get some parody there.
26:11
Speaker 2: This week, Christie, we put the heat on James Slipper
26:14
Speaker 2: and Alan Alatower. James Slipper breaks the record this week
26:17
Speaker 2: and he's been an amazing servant of the Wallabies in
26:20
Speaker 2: Australian rugby broadly for many years now. But we said
26:24
Speaker 2: it a couple of weeks ago as I said that
26:25
Speaker 2: there's no hiding from the fact that these two guys
26:27
Speaker 2: were put under pressure by the Fijian drawer during Super
26:30
Speaker 2: Rugby and again this weekend. I mean, firstly, the Wallabies
26:34
Speaker 2: need more than thirty five minutes out of tan yellow tupo.
26:36
Speaker 3: Which the way the weather's going, I think we've got
26:38
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit cool.
26:39
Speaker 2: Than today's sort of twenty four to twenty five degrees,
26:41
Speaker 2: maybe a touch cooler. I kick off at four o'clock
26:44
Speaker 2: or thereabouts. But they need at least forty five minutes
26:48
Speaker 2: from Taniello this week surely.
26:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, they certainly do because as our Keywei friends have
26:53
Speaker 6: just pointed out, there's not that many ball carriers. It's
26:56
Speaker 6: a really small back line. The power game will be
26:59
Speaker 6: on display. Caleb Clark will be thinking of what he
27:01
Speaker 6: did in that semi final against the Brumbies. I think
27:04
Speaker 6: it was where it ran straight over now along the CEO.
27:06
Speaker 6: So you need an anger spill and a taniela Tuo
27:09
Speaker 6: pay to go a minimum forty five really and that
27:12
Speaker 6: should be the expectation now those guys have been back
27:15
Speaker 6: for a little while that they managed. I didn't play
27:17
Speaker 6: huge minutes so far throughout this international campaign. So the
27:24
Speaker 6: scrum the Wallabies have to be there there abouts at
27:27
Speaker 6: halftime to have any form of chance. Because it's an
27:31
Speaker 6: amazing record that James Slipper is going to be achieving
27:34
Speaker 6: this weekend. There's going to be a whole host of
27:36
Speaker 6: former Wallaby's there that are flying in to congratulate him, like,
27:40
Speaker 6: this is a guy that we should be putting up
27:42
Speaker 6: in a mantle right now. Going one hundred and forty tests.
27:44
Speaker 6: He's going to be playing an absolute warrior of the game,
27:47
Speaker 6: but unfortunately he is struggling and we can't dance around
27:51
Speaker 6: that issue at the moment. So yeah, the scrum is
27:54
Speaker 6: going to be a big one. And look, you've got
27:56
Speaker 6: some giants that you're bringing on and even a safer
27:59
Speaker 6: a Moor the hooker, he's humongous and we saw our
28:02
Speaker 6: damaging hewards throughout Super Unky two, so gome throw a
28:05
Speaker 6: light out to save himself.
28:07
Speaker 2: Totally, totally, and you compare to that he's at in
28:10
Speaker 2: an area where the Wallabies may be able to get
28:11
Speaker 2: a bit of it up well.
28:12
Speaker 6: The defensive lineup for the Wallabies has been probably one
28:15
Speaker 6: of their strengths throughout the season, so absolutely they'll be
28:18
Speaker 6: targeting that. Luke ant Solaqui Lodo comes out off the
28:21
Speaker 6: bench too, so Hanger and Moosa and Luke Kahn will
28:25
Speaker 6: help the Wallabies at a scrum perspective, particularly Brandon's definitely
28:30
Speaker 6: the best scrummaging hooker in Australia and then Lu can't
28:33
Speaker 6: packs a fair bit of weight in and so there'll
28:35
Speaker 6: be more meat to these bones for this for this park.
28:38
Speaker 6: But you're concerned when when your guys are bringing it
28:42
Speaker 6: off as sever res off the bench, and we know
28:45
Speaker 6: how damaging he was throughout, So yeah.
28:47
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I mean in these in the past being used
28:50
Speaker 7: by Scott Robertson obviously started most of the games with
28:53
Speaker 7: the Crusaders, but in the past is come on in
28:55
Speaker 7: their twenty three jersey to the Crusaders and had a
28:57
Speaker 7: roving commission to attack the breakdown to basically just pop
29:00
Speaker 7: up anywhere on the park. And I can see him
29:02
Speaker 7: trying to do the same thing on the week in
29:03
Speaker 7: last twenty twenty five minutes because we're discussed with the
29:06
Speaker 7: All Blacks have struggled, He's gonna up all over the
29:09
Speaker 7: park And there was a step today that Josh mc minschell.
29:11
Speaker 7: I think it's been twelve All Blacks players that have
29:13
Speaker 7: attacked the breakdown and one breakdown ball this year. Visity
29:17
Speaker 7: number of threats that the All Blacks are able to
29:19
Speaker 7: try and leation that part of the game.
29:21
Speaker 5: Bussileo toss is the other one that Elliott mentioned. There's
29:24
Speaker 5: only playing a sick in test. He's a former number
29:27
Speaker 5: eight converted to tight end prop, massive unit, very dynamic
29:31
Speaker 5: with ball in hands. So he'll come off the bench
29:34
Speaker 5: and add.
29:34
Speaker 6: Some real punch and Asraezer said today, sir.
29:39
Speaker 3: Loves the flood. Don't will Brasen mc right, Christy, we
29:43
Speaker 3: haven't mentioned him.
29:44
Speaker 2: He kind of felt like the guy that the Wallabies
29:46
Speaker 2: miss badly, particularly in that second half in Santa Fe
29:49
Speaker 2: two weeks ago. We know his ability to get around
29:51
Speaker 2: the paddy, covers a lot of grounds, makes a lot
29:54
Speaker 2: of tackles. Great support player Afternoon footy again this week
29:58
Speaker 2: it kind of feels like a game Taylor made for Fraser.
30:00
Speaker 3: How I guess how.
30:01
Speaker 2: Important and he being shifting what was a fairly terrible
30:06
Speaker 2: performance from the Wallabies two weeks ago. He's a reasonable
30:09
Speaker 2: in as well. Yeah he is, and look I don't
30:11
Speaker 2: want to be to negative very thin. But he's come
30:14
Speaker 2: back from his miss last full tests, hasn't he? So
30:16
Speaker 2: he Paisami has missed the last couple. So there's a
30:19
Speaker 2: few new faces into this Wallaby side that are quickly
30:22
Speaker 2: going to have to get up to speed and that's
30:24
Speaker 2: including on the bench as well with Pangro Moosa having
30:26
Speaker 2: not played since the end of March.
30:27
Speaker 6: So yes, Fraser is quality. I completely agree. He would
30:32
Speaker 6: have been absolutely so helpful in Argentina. He is probably
30:37
Speaker 6: the fittest ward. You would have to say from a
30:39
Speaker 6: Wallaby's perspective, Tasano is an interesting and no way in
30:43
Speaker 6: the world would have ever played both in the starting fifteen.
30:47
Speaker 6: And if you're going to include both, I think you
30:49
Speaker 6: would have started to Sana to allow Mick right to
30:52
Speaker 6: have his running game in the last thirty. But I
30:54
Speaker 6: think the fact that he's got such a great relationship
30:57
Speaker 6: with Harry Wilson, with Tate McDermott from the Reds piss
31:00
Speaker 6: army as well. To have that kind of nucleus of
31:03
Speaker 6: the Reds kind of back row loose trio, that's a
31:07
Speaker 6: That's an area again the wall will want to be
31:09
Speaker 6: able to use, but you can only do that if
31:11
Speaker 6: you get some front football. Because mcwright has trouble to
31:15
Speaker 6: show against the All Blacks a little bit in the past.
31:17
Speaker 6: He hasn't been nearly as effective on the burn. It's
31:21
Speaker 6: a game played by Warriors International rugby and that's where
31:25
Speaker 6: Sam Caine has really shone for the All Blacks for
31:28
Speaker 6: so so long and to have human artist severa up
31:31
Speaker 6: against Fraser. You just mentioned that there was twelve guys
31:34
Speaker 6: that have got breakdown turnovers. Tausana got three of them
31:37
Speaker 6: against Argentina in the first Test, barely any whatsoever in
31:42
Speaker 6: that second match. Mcwright's going to have to be able
31:44
Speaker 6: to fill the void of Tusana before you get some
31:47
Speaker 6: tips poison and we'll wrap up. I want to get
31:49
Speaker 6: your thoughts on the Lions next year. I'm sure you'll
31:52
Speaker 6: be keen observers from the other side of the tasma.
31:54
Speaker 6: Maybe even you might get a cheeky flight over her
31:56
Speaker 6: nose for a game or two. But we've seen Ben
31:59
Speaker 6: Youngs come out in the last seven days and take
32:01
Speaker 6: a shot at the Wallaby saying they should send out
32:04
Speaker 6: the twenty thirteen lines or the line should go to
32:06
Speaker 6: South Africa. Is there enough time in your mind for
32:09
Speaker 6: everything we've said.
32:10
Speaker 2: Tonight around the Wallaby's depth is years, the challenge, the
32:13
Speaker 2: short time run that Joe Shmi has got into July
32:16
Speaker 2: next year, can you see the wall He's taking a
32:19
Speaker 2: game from the lines next year?
32:21
Speaker 3: Will this be a competitive series.
32:23
Speaker 5: Yeah, look forward to coming back next year for the
32:25
Speaker 5: POD and us getting stuck into things.
32:28
Speaker 4: Look, I think.
32:31
Speaker 5: It's very easy to be reactionary after on the back
32:33
Speaker 5: of a horrific result, and you know, where as guilty
32:38
Speaker 5: as that as anyone. I think there is enough time,
32:42
Speaker 5: but you can't deny the scale of the rebuild of
32:45
Speaker 5: the challenge. I think you need to bring some overseas
32:48
Speaker 5: guys back to add some bulkanank, bulk and experience. Will Skelton,
32:52
Speaker 5: you know, it's been really tough to get him out
32:55
Speaker 5: of his French club, and there's a couple of others
32:59
Speaker 5: that would help. But look, Joe Shmitt is shrewd. He's
33:03
Speaker 5: only committed through to the Line series. I think he'll
33:05
Speaker 5: have that in mind. It's still a few tests, but no,
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Speaker 5: I don't see them taking the test off the lines
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Speaker 5: at this point.
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't roll it out. I mean the Lions, yeah,
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Speaker 6: six weeks.
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Speaker 7: They get together beforehand and everyone forgets the Lines actually
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Speaker 7: have not had the greatest record. Everyone sees them as
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Speaker 7: a superior of four and it's because Ireland a very
33:24
Speaker 7: good at moment and England's not bad. But in riality
33:27
Speaker 7: they lost to a sou African team that hadn't played
33:29
Speaker 7: for eighteen months in the last series. So why do
33:31
Speaker 7: we always give the British Irish lines so much respect?
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Speaker 3: I just did not get it.
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Speaker 6: They also they go, you drew the series of you
33:38
Speaker 6: guys in twenty seventeen, so that was apparently while to
33:40
Speaker 6: great all Black stating it's looking like it'll be.
33:43
Speaker 4: Island is Yeah, I'm know the plan there's started cresting.
33:47
Speaker 2: Andy Farrell coach, of course, would you Emily on his
33:51
Speaker 2: Island starting team with a few key editions, Christie, I
33:54
Speaker 2: know there's a lot of well not a hell of
33:56
Speaker 2: a lot of time it went now and then, but
33:58
Speaker 2: we've got this test, the return gaming weally to next
34:01
Speaker 2: week and then the spring tour and then basically that's
34:04
Speaker 2: it the line until the lines arrived next year. And
34:07
Speaker 2: what do you want to see this week end? Joe
34:08
Speaker 2: Schmidt has talked a lot about he's a pragmatist. He
34:13
Speaker 2: wants to see just improvements from particularly in those areas
34:16
Speaker 2: that were so bad in that second half in Santa Fe.
34:20
Speaker 2: I guess what's a step forward this week for the
34:22
Speaker 2: Wallabies If it's not a victory?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't say bang a victory and I think
34:26
Speaker 6: All Blacks will win well. But I think interestingly, the
34:30
Speaker 6: Wallabies typically do respond really well off the back of
34:33
Speaker 6: the big loss. We've seen that for a long long
34:36
Speaker 6: time in Bledisloughs. We saw it in twenty seventeen when
34:39
Speaker 6: they nearly went and Dune Eden, and then we saw
34:41
Speaker 6: it even last year in dun Eden. We're off the
34:44
Speaker 6: back of a comprehensive loss. So there is definitely history
34:47
Speaker 6: as well as the fact that new wall of these
34:49
Speaker 6: coaches have typically done well against the All Blacks, But
34:53
Speaker 6: history aside, I think what you need to see from
34:56
Speaker 6: them is to see some starts start to come through
34:59
Speaker 6: and if Joe Schmid is going to stick solid with
35:01
Speaker 6: these guys, look, I think I think you'd want to
35:07
Speaker 6: see this to ability with the hearts as the real
35:09
Speaker 6: crucial element. To me, I just think the fact that
35:13
Speaker 6: we're seeing and I know that Noah's had an injury
35:15
Speaker 6: or so and he missed the last test, but Scott
35:19
Speaker 6: Robinson has decided to stick with Damian McKenzie under so
35:22
Speaker 6: much pressure this year, with a lot of people saying
35:24
Speaker 6: he's not the solution. Well, I think we need to
35:26
Speaker 6: see someone stick with ten here at the moment, perhaps
35:30
Speaker 6: the nine, and I'm surprised he's gone back to Nick
35:32
Speaker 6: White for this match, but that's what I want to see,
35:35
Speaker 6: some stability there in selection because they're not going to
35:38
Speaker 6: get anywhere by just continually throwing in the next debutante.
35:42
Speaker 6: Sixteen is way too many, So yeah, stability.
35:46
Speaker 2: Sixty thousand crowds remembered this week certainly, I think that's
35:49
Speaker 2: what are are talking about. There'll be a lot of
35:51
Speaker 2: Wallabies fans. They'll be giving the team another chance. I
35:54
Speaker 2: guess what's then we'll have people walking away from this
35:57
Speaker 2: weekend as a good score line. You're not seeing any
36:00
Speaker 2: chance of a victory, is it, say, within fifteen to
36:03
Speaker 2: twenty points? Yeah, look, I think ten points would be
36:06
Speaker 2: if they couldn't loose po ten. I think at least
36:10
Speaker 2: you're thinking that for it's going to be a dry track,
36:12
Speaker 2: so there's no excuses from a weather perspective. It should
36:15
Speaker 2: be an attractive game to get watch, So maybe that's
36:18
Speaker 2: what your hope. Fans leave thinking. You know what, the
36:21
Speaker 2: All Blacks might might win, and they might win well,
36:23
Speaker 2: but bloody hell, they.
36:24
Speaker 6: Played some great rugby, so we want to see people
36:27
Speaker 6: walk away from rugby in a positive mind.
36:30
Speaker 3: Denzil All Blacks by how many?
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Speaker 5: I think the line with New Zealand book makers is
36:35
Speaker 5: thirteen and a half and I think most New zeal
36:37
Speaker 5: And rugby fans argue in the context of recent results
36:41
Speaker 5: would would be disappointed if it's not their margin.
36:45
Speaker 3: Flacks by twenty.
36:47
Speaker 2: If you're a Wallaby span looking for a stat the
36:49
Speaker 2: Wellabies are undefeated with key Week coaches in their first
36:52
Speaker 2: game against the All Blacks Robbie Deans of course winning
36:55
Speaker 2: at Stadium Australia in twoes and eight I think it was.
36:58
Speaker 3: And then Dave Ready.
36:59
Speaker 2: Coming within a couple of coats of de lux there
37:01
Speaker 2: in Wellington of any along drought on New Zealand soil,
37:04
Speaker 2: so the straws are everywhere. Ifutch you're calling that back
37:07
Speaker 2: bit of one that hold on to it this week,
37:09
Speaker 2: give you heading to the course stadium. Gents, thanks very
37:11
Speaker 2: much for coming in. Fantastic have you in the schmid house.
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Speaker 2: Christie is ever good to see you, mate. And that's
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