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- Ken: Welcome to part two of our interview with Megan Morrow, the singer of our theme song. So we're just going to hop right into it. If you haven't heard the first part of the interview, please go back and listen to that episode. ⁓ Lisa: Hello and welcome to Nurtural Disasters. This is a podcast for those of us with toxic or emotionally immature parents. might not have a bunch of credentials next to our names, but we do have PhDs from the Hard Knocks University. Basically, want this to be a validating space for adult children of parents who had no business having children. ⁓ Ken: Okay, so we could probably, if you want to talk about your songwriting next, we'll probably go into that. Megan Morrow: Okay, yeah. Ken: Lisa, you have any questions queued Lisa: Are you rubbing your hands? Ken: Yes, at the moment, because this is not gonna be in the show. Megan Morrow: Thank Lisa: okay, I was like, he's cold. Wow. Megan Morrow: you Ken: Yeah, it's very cold, it's 68 degrees. Lisa: Are you shoveling snow from your car? Megan Morrow: you Ken: In my mind maybe. ⁓ snow. ⁓ no! Too many ice crystals from the freezer I have. Lisa: ⁓ what? ⁓ Megan Morrow: you Lisa: You Megan Morrow: you Lisa: I like talking about writing process and you said that, Megan, some of the songs are about your parents. I think that would be really interesting to talk about and how it influenced. Megan Morrow: Yeah, yeah. You know, I'll admit like a lot of, so a lot of my songs are kind of honestly about relationships in case, I've realized that I, you know, fantasize, like growing up I fantasize a lot about like relationships. Oof, and that's of like another topic that I know like a lot. But either way, hot and cold behavior created a limerence in me and I've been googling a lot about limerence and it can be born from your childhood. It can be born from like if you were kind of like emotionally neglected as a child. And so that kind of tracks from my growing up years because my worked, you full time. I didn't see them like a lot, or I mean I saw them a lot, but they weren't always like emotionally. with me. So I think like I've struggled like in my romantic life in trying to find healthy partners. And so that goes into my music. I I think they say is like you get really good at imagining love. And so I often have in the past written about like imagining love. And then when my mom passed away, ⁓ I did a song about her and I kind of like And because I was really close with her, I really did feel I was a huge attachment because she was sort of like my closest relationship, I guess? I could just talk about anything, almost. And so in one of the lyrics I have, like I felt like I was losing everything I had. it's one part of a song I wrote. I could say more, but I'll just kind of stop for there for now. Ken: Did you release the songs yet? Like about your mom? Megan Morrow: No, I haven't. ⁓ I'm like way behind. I've released Clouded one. I'm going to be releasing the about my uncle ⁓ that's going to be in June. I'm going to be releasing another about the limerence, also probably like June, July. And then that song, I haven't even gone in the studio for. Yeah, I've been, ⁓ know, for a long, long story, like super long story, like I put my songwriting on hold for a really long time because I went to school for music. ⁓ I think I was like on track for that for a while. I even did opera for a bit. And so all of is like, just started to come to the forefront like just last year. So I'm hoping to go in the studio and record that one soon and then release that one, hopefully by the end of the year. Ken: So it's definitely even that the musical sphere, kind of recording the music and performing it is kind of like your little personal space. It's kind of like the thing you want to do. Because tell stories and really use your talents in a way where I think it's probably fulfilling for you and it's enjoyable for us. Megan Morrow: Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I'm glad it is. And yeah, it is for me. Yeah, I've definitely wanted to do like this for a long time. of songwriting has always been personal. And I guess you know, this is a way for me to kind of also challenge the maybe the fear of being seen. by releasing my songs and letting people get to know this other part of Just some of my relationships and feelings I have and it'd be great if people connect to it. That's ultimately the goal. Ken: Another question, you don't have to answer this if you don't want to. Would you be willing to put yourself out there if your mom was still alive? Like write these songs and actually have her watch you perform these songs on stage? ⁓ is there kind of like this something that if your mom was alive you probably wouldn't try to do? Megan Morrow: That's a, yeah, that's an interesting question. You know, actually that kind of connects to one of my songs. You know, my mom had told my grandma that I wrote songs. She told her like maybe, you know, two years after I started guitar. And unfortunately, my uncle had taken his life, like maybe... months before she had told my grandma, but my grandma had been like excited, like I think my grandma must have had like some party. And so they, you know, my grandma wanted me to perform for my family and I was like, oh well I'll play this song, about my uncle. And I was thinking like that would be like a great way because we didn't do a funeral for him. But my mom was like, no don't play that song. And so I played a different one instead. And this one was just kind of like, it's a song I wrote called Deliver Me. And it was kind of just like a cutesy little like, I don't know how you call it, I don't know, like a teenager I tried to make a song that sounded like a love song, but it was really just about a crush. And think back then I didn't sing it with enough confidence and I played it for my family. And I think that one experience just like, they I don't they liked it. ⁓ ⁓ my self-esteem wasn't like, you know, I didn't have really ⁓ good self-esteem back then. So that honestly didn't motivate me to keep going with it. ⁓ Ken: It's a double-edged sword. It's a double-edged sword to be performing in front of your family, because you're thinking it's a safe space, but then you're like, if they're disappointed and I still have to see them for the rest of this trip? ⁓ it's... ⁓ do it to strangers, it's like, okay, messed up, well, I'm never gonna see them again. But with family, it's just, they're gonna know and someone's gonna say something, maybe to each other in a group chat, but... Megan Morrow: Hehehehe Ken: I could see why that would be so intimidating and kind of not fun. Megan Morrow: Yeah, it really did make me think that I wasn't that good at songwriting. And I think, you know, I was going to school from, ⁓ I went to school from music a year later. I think a part of me was like, well, I want to see what they like anyway. ⁓ And ⁓ I think I getting into like just playing classical piano. ⁓ And I remember they really liked that. I remember my grandma had another birthday and we were all, like a couple of our family members did music lessons and they enjoyed that. So yeah, really, for a long time, I really didn't actually believe I was good at it. And my mom, think, when she was still alive, I still was singing opera. musicians, maybe there's a part of us that kind of seeks some validation sometimes. Maybe not healthfully, ⁓ maybe unintentionally. ⁓ I think ⁓ definitely enjoyed getting some of the attention from opera. Even though I wanted to be ⁓ seen for... the thoughts I had, like my own original thoughts in my songs. to answer that, I don't know. ⁓ Yeah. I don't know. sure she would be supportive of me. She was, I was always really shy and I didn't like play a lot of my songs for her. Ken: feel like there would have been a point where you're just like, she's gonna smile and then you're gonna be like, it's okay. Unless you sing about like, you know, really raunchy stuff. I think she won't be okay with it. The raunchy stuff, might be, she needs to be prepared for that. Lisa: Hehehehehe Megan Morrow: You I did write a couple raunchy ones. ⁓ Lisa: ⁓ my God, did you hear them? Megan Morrow: No, no. Yeah, I wrote them, I wrote them just like last year. ⁓ Yeah. Lisa: That's too bad. Because you know, that whole time she was like, parentifying you and telling you all this shit that like, was so inappropriate. Like, ⁓ now's your turn, mom. Ever heard of a WAP? Okay. I can't even imagine. Ken: okay, about that, I wanna talk about that because I remember only hearing, in the beginning, only hearing the clean version of that song, so I'm like bumping it in my car, like the clean version, right? And then I finally found the dirty version, I was like, ⁓ my gosh, that's what they're singing about? Lisa: I'm Megan Morrow: You Lisa: You wanna like Ben Shapiro like what what Megan Morrow: you Ken: And then after a while, like, I still listen to it in the car, but I can't bump the volume up anymore. The dirty version. It's just... Can't! It re- So, let me tell you about that one story where I'm just like... I think I was like, ⁓ I was in, Like, Albertson's parking lot, right? And... I don't know, this was... Probably... I'm not sure how long ago it was. I just remember I went into Albertson's parking lot, and I was bumping straight up gangster rap. Lisa: ⁓ Ken: Like from the 90s, it was like loud. And then I'm like driving around and I'm like, ⁓ Girl Scout cookies. And you see like a bunch of these little girls. And I'm like bumping DMX. And I'm like, ⁓ hi little girls Yeah, on sale. Okay, let me park. ⁓ And face was like, horrified, ⁓ horrified. Megan Morrow: you Lisa: you Megan Morrow: you Lisa: Yes. You Megan Morrow: you Hopefully. Ken: I'm just gonna be like that 75 year old grandpa that bumps gangster rap. And by the way, I work in south LA, that guy does exist. Megan Morrow: you you Lisa: You're like, that's my future. So Ken, do you just play it in front of your dad? Ex gon' give it to you. You just bump it really loud. And your dad only listens to like, you know, Chinese music. Like wing. Ken: That's my future. Megan Morrow: you Ken: my gosh, my- ⁓ Megan Morrow: Thank Ken: Okay, I might as well just let this out because my mom and my dad would always have some comment about me watching television shows with black people in it. So you could just infer what they meant by that. It was like, ⁓ you're always watching TV shows with black people in it. Megan Morrow: Thank Lisa: I can't. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. Ken: ⁓ nothing. It's like stuff like that. Lisa: Uh-huh. Ken: Well, you should have saw their faces when I brought her home. Lisa: I'm sure, no, they loved it. Ken: ⁓ yeah, they loved it. Lisa: Mm-hmm. Ken: She- she- she- Poor girl, like, could've said anything, like, she could've said, like, she's, yeah, I'm like, ⁓ yeah, I'm, ⁓ I cure cancer and it'd be like, but- but- but- but look at her. Not Asian. Like, and they'll do that little finger thing, not Asian. ⁓ actually- it's not even an Asian thing, it's almost like a- like, Italian thing. Th- th- th- th- not Asian. ⁓ could be, like, something like that, with that accent. I can't- Lisa: I cured cancer. I cured cancer. What is that? Wait, what is that finger thing? Okay. ⁓ Is it like when they hold their fingers like together? ⁓ so it's like the Italian... but it's Asian, it's like... Ken: Yeah, but the thing is... ⁓ Lisa: You holiday Chinese girl, you holiday. Ken: Okay, but the, yeah. Lisa: No, no, because your ex told me. She's like, your mom kicked her out of the house. Ken: ⁓ wow, that's major. That could literally be another episode. That was my mom when it was a sound mine. That was horrific for me. That's like... That's probably one of the most embarrassing and destructive moments in my life with my parents. Lisa: No, it's really only. my god. Ken: Should we talk about that or should we just talk about that later on? that's like... That's like a monster of like a thing. There's... Yeah. There's probably... This is probably gonna get cut out. So there's probably like three or four things I want to talk about my parents throughout this duration of this hopefully very long podcast series. One of them is how when I was 25, my dad ruined my 25th birthday party by kicking everybody out of my birthday party. Lisa: You know what? Well, you know, we had to save that one. But. Mm-hmm. Ken: By the way, I invited everyone. There was like a hundred people there in my backyard and everybody just like hugging me and stuff like that. And the reason that was a big deal with me is my dad and my mom has never thrown a birthday party for me. Never. Never ever have they thrown a birthday party for me that I could remember. And I always tell this to Amy and I'm like, my dad, they never do. Every time I had a birthday party is because my cousin, was her birthdays like two days before me, they would push me along with her. look, it's both your birthdays. ⁓ that's how they got away with it. Lisa: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Ken: So that was one of them. The second one was that the issue where my mom's like, this is a Chinese house. And I'm like, good God, that's a horrible thing to say. And a lot of that was from, it wasn't even as much as my mom, as my dad was feeding her information to do it. Like he didn't want to be the one to get his hands dirty, but he was thinking the same thing. So he made my mom do it. Lisa: Mm-hmm. The flying monkey. Ken: Yeah, she made my mom into a flying monkey. So, and what was it, the third thing is... Lisa: how you like to play gangster rap in front of your parents. Ken: I would say- That leads into there, because what happened was I was friends with a DJ and he was like, I'll play with anything you want. was like... Uhhhh Uhhhh ⁓ because he didn't like the noise. Like he couldn't give me two hours. That's really what it is. Okay, sorry, maybe we went on a tangent. Megan Morrow: Wow. Ken: Yeah, my dad's a disaster. like, bringing him anybody I date is like a kiss of death most of the times. Lisa: Yeah. Ken: It was a kiss of death. was dating a couple other girls that didn't, ⁓ those didn't fare well at all. ⁓ It was It was bad. ⁓ The only he liked was the crazy Japanese I dated. Lisa: Because she was Asian Ken: Yeah, but she was... Lisa: like some other Asian girl we know, Ken: ⁓ Okay, so... So I'm just wondering, ⁓ Megan, do you have any things recorded past Clouded that you might want to use like snippets for the show? Megan Morrow: I could. Yeah, I could. releasing the TED song in June, so I can give like a little snippet of it for you guys. Yeah. Ken: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the problem is I listen to a lot NPR and they love putting in music just like in there just by the artist just a little snippet on there and then while they talk after like Lisa: Yay! Megan Morrow: Yeah, totally. And I don't mind sharing it. Yeah, it's gonna be... I'm planning to release it. So is ready. It's recorded. recorded it last year. Ken: And this is a song about... Is it about your uncle? Is this a song? Megan Morrow: Yeah, it is. ⁓ And I wrote it back in high school. This is the song that ⁓ I wrote, we found out, ⁓ sorry, warning. You know, took his life. And it's actually a long story too. You know, because ⁓ I told you like that I had a hard time like with friends and friendships in high school. ⁓ Lisa: ⁓ yeah. ⁓ Megan, real quick. Let's just use the word, I hate this shit, unaliving, because it gets people demonetized if you use the S word or whatever, just say, he unalived and stuff. Yeah, that's how podcasters and influencers, they get around that. Ken: It's because a lot of the formats like YouTube, they're very, it's heavily enforced. yeah. ⁓ Lisa: Mm-hmm. So yeah, just sorry to like, Megan Morrow: Yeah. Okay. No, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's important. Okay, so let me see if I remember. to make a long story short, my uncle ⁓ unalived himself when I in high school. ⁓ I ⁓ had barely known and I just started to get to know him a year before because... Back in high school, I had a hard time with friendships. My mom was worried about me, so she signed me up for therapy. And she was working full time, so she asked my uncle, who had been stopping working, to drive me to therapy. And so in that brief course of time, he convinced me to go, even though I wasn't planning to go. It's a long story, But he took me and I, you know... It was an interesting period of time where I was just starting to get to know him. And then a year later, ⁓ know, he just ⁓ unalived himself. ⁓ it was a shock. ⁓ We didn't have a funeral for him. ⁓ ⁓ felt like that, it felt ⁓ Like I just was like, you know, we need to do something for him. So I wrote this ⁓ song ⁓ Yeah, I remember I played it for my mom and she was like, ⁓ just don't play that for your grandma. And never, we never talked about it again. Just, I wrote that song. And I just, ⁓ mom was very sensitive. ⁓ I felt like a cognitive dissonance about that song for a long time. And I think especially because of the topic of the song. that I just, and I was young, I remember I was like a teenager and know teenagers you know weren't talking about that. So I didn't know what to do with that song for a long time. But you know like when my mom passed away and then like the reality of like just you know us never having done anything for him, it kind of like weighed on me. So as I started to embark on the songwriting process or recording process of my songs, I made sure that that was the first one I wanted to record. Ken: Yeah, was there reason why they didn't ⁓ guess, celebrate your when he passed? Megan Morrow: yes, there's a reason. And I don't know, I'll try to not be triggering about it. ⁓ I, you know, a year after, or like a couple months after my mom passed, had a lot of questions from my family members, because you know when she passed away I realized that she's gone like I can't ask her anything anymore like we still have his ⁓ and know because when my grandma passed away none of the family members wanted it so my mom took it and I before my mom passed away I I'd asked her, we gonna do, like, a service for him? And she was, talking about it fondly, but, you know, never planned anything. And, um, yeah, after she passed away, I talked to some of her, sisters, And, one sister told me that he had wrote a note, like, when he passed away, that was, uh, almost, like, it was, like, very angry note, um, because... And I still don't really have all the pieces together. I knew that he had been struggling his mental health, but ⁓ one sibling seemed to allege that he had had some sort of bipolar disorder and that he kind of struggled a lot and he blamed my grandma for doing what he ⁓ did. Lisa: Hmm. Megan Morrow: Which is awful. Lisa: he was your mother's ⁓ your maternal uncle. Megan Morrow: was my ⁓ brother. Lisa: Yeah, maternal, okay. So one of the, kid number five, right? And out of six. Megan Morrow: ⁓ yeah. Yeah, yeah, she was like, ⁓ I guess the order doesn't really matter, but like, she was like the second one, he was the third. Lisa: Yeah. Interesting because you know if one person has mental illness, there's usually people who have the mental illness. It's just they just keep it more under wraps and hmm ⁓ Megan Morrow: Yeah. Ken: Yeah, it is true. It's like genetics. So I remember last week I was with my dad for know, my two hours of waterboarding Where he just talked about how yeah, your sister is ⁓ kind of cuckoo ⁓ But I should have known that because ⁓ Some of my aunts were ⁓ in the insane asylum. I'm like great dad Thanks for telling me that Megan Morrow: Yeah, family. Yeah, familial, like, you know, mental health issues can run the family. And don't know. ⁓ Yeah, I suspect mom had something. ⁓ But, you know, don't. ⁓ She never went like therapy herself. She went for. Yeah. Right. ⁓ Lisa: Mmm. But she had you go to therapy, which is interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I said, uh-huh. Yeah, you're gonna get her free. My daughter is to my free there. Ken: Well, you're her therapist pretty much, so why pay for it? You get it for free therapy! Megan Morrow: That's so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that's what happened. Yeah. Ken: Well, I'm hoping that the song comes out soon. ⁓ probably play a little bit of it here. And this will be kind of hopefully a good kind of send off to your uncle. Megan Morrow: Yeah, I'm hoping so. Ken: and hopefully he's listening somewhere. ⁓ and he'll know that someone still remembers him and still loves him. Megan Morrow: Thank you, Ken, for saying that. hope so too. Ken: Okay, so should we end the episode on something lighter? That's pretty that okay so so what people have been telling me is sometimes it just gets too heavy and it's like that's it. Megan Morrow: Hehehe Ken: And then there's some times where it just sounds like, ⁓ well, Lisa's having a drink and she's like, she's over it. Lisa: Okay. I'm drinking water Megan Morrow: You Ken: Lisa are you having a drink? You don't have to lie. Lisa: Okay fine, it's gin, with its water, like it's tonic water with gin. Like I'm not lying, it's like... Ken: Wait, you're not lying about the water, or you're not lying about the- or you're lying about the gin? Lisa: Well, it's a gin and tonic, but I mean when I said I was drinking water, it's tonic water. It just has gin in it. Ken: Okay, so you are drinking. Megan Morrow: Yeah. Lisa: Well, I mean, we film at night and I have a night cap. So I was like, yeah, it's towards the end. Whatever. It's not like I'm slurring my words, you know, like, ⁓ my God, you know? Or saying something really inappropriate. Ken: That's fine, that's okay, I popped the Ativan before recording. Lisa: I know you're like on Adderall Ken: Yeah, because I had my Adderall and then I think I had too much caffeine afterwards so I was like really buzzing. So I was like I better pop like I better pop a downer. Oh good now this episode is gonna be flagged for drug use. Prescription drug use. Lisa: ⁓ wow. Yeah. Ambien? ⁓ We could just cut this out. mean, yeah, because... Ken: Sometimes if it's too funny, I just leave it in. Megan Morrow: you Ken: Who are you, who are we offending? it's like, ⁓ you don't want to have that on your show. It's like, who's gonna, ⁓ who's listening to and like trying to torpedo my career of being an IT technician. man, that guy's crazy, he's a loose cannon, he can't fix my computer. I'm like, for real? Megan Morrow: you Ken: isn't it ⁓ to leverage your friends' especially when you have no money to pay them? ⁓ Lisa: ⁓ yeah, thanks Megan for like the free song. Megan Morrow: you Of course. Ken: But the hope is that she's giving it to us for a nominal fee or free, as they say. Hopefully in the future if this grows, it's gonna lift her music career up with it. So just think about that. Lisa: Yeah Megan Morrow: Thank you. Lisa: ⁓ yeah. Megan Morrow: I know and vice versa for you all because yeah then the podcast will grow. Lisa: Like wow. We're the next Call Her Daddy. Ken: It's always call her daddy with you. already got there. I did it. Lisa: I don't... Well it's like that one... It's one of the biggest ones, right? Besides Joe Rogan. Ken: Yeah, my therapist always reminds me, because I mentioned it and was like, ⁓ man, the podcast, it's doing great, but it's tough to get it out there. And he always tells me about like a diary of CEOs, like, you know this guy just recorded out of his like kitchen, right? And look at where he is now. And I look around and I am in my kitchen right now. Lisa: I see. You gotta start somewhere. Ken: I know, and it's hard. Honestly, when you're first starting, kind of like, from nothing, sort of. It's an empty kind of canvas. ⁓ And it's so hard to put yourself out there, even when you know it's like ⁓ it's intriguing material that you're putting out there. It's something that we really believe in. ⁓ So it's kind of like putting yourself out there going on dates, right? You're trying to sell your podcast to someone and like every you're hoping that it's like, ⁓ yeah, I'll listen to it. And that feels great to you. And ⁓ but there's lot of. ⁓ I'm not a podcast person. I don't think I'm gonna listen to it or I didn't like it or something like that. every rejection like that is pretty much mirroring every kind of other rejection that you kind of want to stay away from. And honestly, a lot of people don't like rejection. ⁓ hurts. you keep putting yourself out there like that. This is why I don't sell life insurance anymore. I can't do it. I can't do it. ⁓ I know me, ⁓ For this podcast, I really believe in this project and really want to it successful not only for me, but for you, Lisa. Like it's like, feel like it's something that we could, we've really, ⁓ when you the thing you do, it's not work. And I don't think this has worked for us. It's just something that comes out so naturally, right? ⁓ I'm actually to put out ⁓ like content this podcast. Lisa: Yeah, it's weird. It's like... a lot of mixture of emotions ⁓ part of me is like, ⁓ my god, people are gonna hear this and ⁓ hate the sound of my own voice. ⁓ when I hear it back, I'm like, ⁓ cringing like nails on a chalkboard kind of. ⁓ me, I don't if Megan, don't know when you listen to yourself singing, do you ever go, ⁓ or sound like that? What? ⁓ Megan Morrow: ⁓ yeah. Lisa: I try to get over it. I don't know if I'll ever get over it. I don't know. It's so hard. And I don't know, Ken, you have that confidence to just be like, I'm so proud of it. I can put it out there. And for me, it's like, people are going to listen to my night whiny, masally. And sometimes it sounds like Valley Girl, like, ⁓ my god! And I say you know a lot, I notice I say that too. So I it out when I'm it. And ⁓ I've noticed ⁓ patterns too. yours, and probably Megan's now. I'm like, ⁓ that's her speech pattern. ⁓ She says this lot. ⁓ It's just so for me to put myself out there. The insecurity, you know? ⁓ Ugh. Ken: really tough. That's why like a couple weeks ago, like I was so glad that you told me you want to take over the social media aspect of it, at least on Instagram. Because ⁓ been telling people, ⁓ media, especially on Instagram and like Facebook and stuff like that, like it's hazardous for your health a little bit. There have been times where I'm just sitting there. I was like, people aren't liking this. People aren't sharing it. People aren't engaging with this. Maybe they don't like it. And it just ⁓ constantly... putting this ⁓ strain on what people think of you, right? Because it's so much about likes and engagement. And when you're not getting any, it hurts. It's almost like maybe people don't like it. And I always think about that. Lisa: I mean, it's a commitment ask people to listen to like an hour, roughly like an hour long podcast. ⁓ at the same time, it's like, we know you have a commute. You can you know? At least with Megan, it's like, it's a song, know? It's like two, three For us, like an hour. But so anything that you create and you put so much work into and then it just doesn't get the reception that you're like, oh. It's like, I do all this work for nothing? Yeah, it's, you know, and Megan can relate because she's a creative type. You know, can't say all these songs and it's like, people listening to it or is it just going to a black hole? I don't know. Ken: Megan, how do you deal with that? I'm pretty sure you've thought about this before, being a musician, and especially now that you've kind of crossed over into making your own music and actually recording it and distributing it and playing live. You've got to feel like that kind of uneasiness each time you go up there, right? Megan Morrow: yeah, of course. You know, totally. doing a podcast, you each hour, like, segment. Yeah, I mean, I would say, writing a song, it can be like, you know, taking like, five minutes to like, you know, several days, ⁓ months. yeah, and I overthink it a lot. Yeah. I definitely, that's like, you know, that's probably why I didn't even release my songs until now. Yeah, yeah, 100 % relate, to just, what will people think or will I like how I sound? I'm in, you know, especially like talking. I don't, I don't feel comfortable exactly like doing a podcast. Either, ⁓ I think I'll hear saying the word like a lot or I might hear myself like jumble two words together or just trying to like you know used to looking in the ⁓ mirror and ⁓ letting myself myself which is yeah not easy but you know I think people like ⁓ seeing all of be vulnerable and Lisa: I'm Megan Morrow: putting ourselves out there. ⁓ Yeah. Lisa: Yes, exactly. It's like you're making yourself vulnerable ⁓ when out there. ⁓ It is an- Megan Morrow: Yeah. Lisa: Yeah, you said it perfectly, Megan. Hopefully that smooths over the harsh topics we talked about and people are like, you about really horrible shit and then now, ⁓ bye. Hopefully it's not like, ⁓ you ⁓ Ken: Yeah. Well, here's the thing. What I've been trying to tell people to kind of get them to listen is we talk about really tough things throughout the whole hour, but we try to make it kind of lighthearted at certain moments. We try to joke around a little bit. I think me as well, Lisa, is we kind of just have this... odd take on things, where like comedic takes on things that happened in our lives, especially with our parents, we're just like, we goof around a little bit. So it's not entirely just, just, ⁓ Lisa: super serious. There's some levity. and but you know, you know when you watch the news it's like this murder happened, it's usually towards like two thirds of the way, and then there's like the lighthearted ⁓ no, we're gonna talk about puppy adoption. And ⁓ you noticed that? It's like the last 10 minutes is something super lighthearted to like take the edge off of like, ⁓ a ⁓ of babies were drowned to death, like what the fuck? You you watch, you know when you watch the news, you're like, what the, it's really jarring. And it makes you feel so hopeless and helpless about the world, and then they're like, ⁓ But something about children or animals that's like, ⁓ look at the puppy adoptions and ⁓ look at this cute little, I think, okay, you know what? It kind of eases you ⁓ in. Ken: well, you know, palette cleanser, they kind of start off that, they start off the hour of someone getting killed and then they continue people getting robbed and then they talk about the traffic and then they talk about the weather and then a couple people getting killed again and then they go to their human interest story, ⁓ pit adoptions, ⁓ this, ⁓ 10 year old kid is in college and going to graduate soon and they have like stories like that and then you go to sports and it's like, Lisa: It's the, yeah. Yes. Mm-hmm. Megan Morrow: If you Lisa: Yeah. Yeah, the roller coaster. ⁓ yeah, Kid of the Week, yeah. it's a rollercoaster of like... ⁓ Ken: It's always like a kid that's like one in a ten million, like no other kids could be like that kid. But we're gonna show you! Lisa: Yeah, he got into MIT and he's only 10 years old. Like, feel good. Yeah, Doogie Howser. Yeah, he actually teaches the other professors how to like, right? The palate cleanser. And need to ⁓ start working on that, palate cleanser. Maybe we'll just. Megan Morrow: This is Ken: Yeah, so ⁓ he's tutoring the other kids. ⁓ we tend to have palate cleansers at the end, we usually talk about us being alcoholics and stuff like that. Lisa: I thought so too, but if enough people are complaining, it's just... Ken: Oh, you know, sometimes it's just a little bit too abrupt. But yeah. So pretty much... Okay, so pretty much... Lisa: Maybe, okay. Ken: it with, well, you know, we were talking about how like we have, ⁓ and Lisa have our podcasts and Megan has her music career. really we've of at that age where Lisa: Like. Ken: If not now, when? If this is something that we truly love, we should do it. the problem here? I think this is it. Like we don't really have to please our parents anymore. We don't really have to please peers on the most part. ⁓ So whatever have in our mind and we feel like we should do a project or something like that, I feel like we should just get it out there. Because this is like, after this point, it's just gonna be regrets after regrets if we don't do it. If we believe in something, we should do it. Lisa: Mm-hmm. Megan Morrow: Great. Lisa: ⁓ same. Facts. Ken: So meet you at the awards dinner in three or four years. Megan Morrow: See you there! Ken: I know, maybe ⁓ we, yeah, we'll do lunch when we're all... doing well. and know how me and you Lisa in particular, we're kinda petty? We're not sure if you're so petty, Megan, but me and Lisa are like petty. We're like, we're like- Lisa: Mm-hmm. Yes. ⁓ Tuck, speak for yourself. What? Ken: We're like, okay, who ignored our pleas for just listen to this podcast or just pass it to someone you might know and just totally dismissed us. We're gonna remember that. But the good thing is we remember all the people that supported us. Lisa: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Megan Morrow: Definitely relate. Ken: You'll get a car in your garage when we make it. Megan Morrow: you Lisa: Mm-hmm. ⁓ Ken: Cause it's hard, right? It's like, you put yourself out there, people always have excuses where they're like, ⁓ I don't really listen to podcasts. I don't listen to this stuff or what Megan is like, ⁓ I don't really like pop music or this kind of thing. And it's just like, well, I know. it's just a matter of just try it or maybe spread it to someone that you think might like it. And that's really what you asked for. Really. That's like, you don't have to like it, but just pass it along, right? when you have something, no one can make something that everybody likes. and when you do a podcast about toxic parenting, it's even the smaller niche. But the thing is the niches might, might be the thing that actually helps you get a gain audience. But I don't think there's a huge market for, a bunch of victims of, uh, bad parenting. And now we're talking about it, putting our parents on blast. Megan Morrow: Yeah, I mean people need your content. and especially like, it's true, you guys like, you have a great balance of talking about the issues and then also bringing the levity to and the humor in it. I mean, I think there's definitely a good plethora of like podcasts that talk about toxic parenting in like a clinical sense, but not so much in a casual way, And I think people need to feel like they have like, they're listening to people who are experiencing what they're experiencing. Ken: Exactly. That's, I think that's, that's our niche because I even put it in the trailer, I especially put it in the trailers, like why listen to a licensed therapist tell you what's going on? Listen to me and Lisa because we have no degrees or whatsoever. We're not doctors. We don't have any cures to anything. We're just here to, you know, have the therapy session that's being recorded. Right, Lisa? Lisa: I'm to to the Gen Z ⁓ Gen Alpha, know? Ken: Tch. Well, hopefully maybe they'll find the show too eventually, It's in the internet, they'll find it eventually. Once they get- once- yeah, once they get- ⁓ yeah, once they get- Lisa: Yeah. No cap. Stop, stop mogging Ken: Yeah, once they get over all of that stuff and like, you know, TikTok. Lisa: It'd be six, seven, you know. They get off their guillettes while they're mewing. We can have that. Ken: ⁓ my god. Megan Morrow: Hehehehehe Ken: Okay, so I think this is like Lisa: We ate, we yeah, this is what we cooked. We left no crumbs and we ate down. We just. Megan Morrow: you Ken: Okay, good place to end the show. Everybody? Megan Morrow: you Ken: Good place to end the show? Megan Morrow: Yeah. Ken: Okay. It was nice talking to you, Megan. Hope you come on the show one more time, or several more times, and make it regular thing. Lisa: Hmm. Yes! Megan Morrow: Yay! Thanks for having me, of course! Would love to. Lisa: Yeah Yes, come back, please Ken: And of course, thank you for the theme song, most of all. Thank you for your theme song and thank you for your support. And very, very happy to support you too. We hope you make it big and we hope we make it big. We both make it big at the same time. And then we could just all laugh about it when we were both big. All three of us. Yeah. That's yeah. Just let's all have that kind of ambition and just work towards that because why not? Lisa: ⁓ my god, yeah. in our yachts. Yeah. Yeah. Megan Morrow: You're the worst! Lisa: Mm-hmm. Megan Morrow: Yes. Ken: Alright, okay. Okay, bye Lisa! Lisa: Bye Ken, bye Megan. Megan Morrow: Bye!