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272. Shalane Flanagan, 4x Olympian & 2017 New York City Marathon Champion · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: I feel like when I'm doing hard things, I actually
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  Speaker 1: feel more alive when I'm challenging myself, and I just
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  Speaker 1: want to, yeah, showcase to young women that sport can
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  Speaker 1: be for life and change your life for the better.
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  Speaker 1: I'm grateful that running came into my life and I
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  Speaker 1: went from an extremely shy young girl to you know,
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  Speaker 1: a moderately shy adult. Now. I just felt the need
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  Speaker 1: to just do something challenging again.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on hurdlers? Emily Abadi?
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  Speaker 3: Here. You are listening to episode two hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 3: two of Hurdle a Well on this focus podcast where
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  Speaker 3: I connect with everyone from your favorite athletes to top
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  Speaker 3: experts and industry CEOs about their highest highs, toughest moments,
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  Speaker 3: and everything in between. We all go through hurdles in life,
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  Speaker 3: and my goal through these discussions is to empower you
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  Speaker 3: to better navigate yours and move with intention so that
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  Speaker 3: you can stride towards your own big potential and of
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  Speaker 3: course have some fun along the way. For this week's episode,
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  Speaker 3: I am bringing back one of my favorite all time
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  Speaker 3: conversations with the one, the Only, Charlaine Flanagan. This episode
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  Speaker 3: was originally released right after New York City Marathon weekend
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, and the takeaways in here are
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  Speaker 3: as poignant as ever for those who may need a
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  Speaker 3: little refresher. Schlainne is a four time Olympian a New
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  Speaker 3: York City Marathon champion. She's also a coach for Nike's
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  Speaker 3: Barreman Track Club, and in twenty twenty one, she did
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  Speaker 3: something that was unheard of. She ran all of the
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  Speaker 3: six marathon World Majors in six weeks.
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  Speaker 2: So you'll be hearing.
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  Speaker 3: Us talk about that in this conversation, but there is
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  Speaker 3: so much more to the meat of it. I had
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  Speaker 3: the opportunity recently to sit down again with Slaine, and
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  Speaker 3: it was reminding me about how much I loved this
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  Speaker 3: chat and how I needed to bring it back to
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  Speaker 3: the top of the feed. Oftentimes, when people ask me
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  Speaker 3: what one of my favorite conversations is that I've had
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  Speaker 3: for hurdle, this is on the top of that list.
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  Speaker 3: To everyone that came out during this week of awesomeness
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  Speaker 3: here in New York, it was so so great to
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  Speaker 3: see you. You fill up my cup, my heart.
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  Speaker 1: You are my why.
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  Speaker 3: To everyone that ran the marathon yesterday. If you're listening
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  Speaker 3: to this in real time. Congrats you did it, and
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  Speaker 3: now it's time to relish in the celebration that is
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  Speaker 3: putting your feed up for a while. Make sure if
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  Speaker 3: I am over at Emily A body with that. Let's
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  Speaker 3: get to it. Let's get to hurdling.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so amped today to be here with Slaine Flanagan.
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  Speaker 4: I feel as though she needs no introductions. I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: she hears that line all the time, but I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to give you just a little like top highlights here,
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  Speaker 4: twenty seventeen NYC Marathon champion feels pretty relevant to what
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  Speaker 4: we're here for this weekend, for a time Olympian Olympic
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  Speaker 4: silver medalist. Yesterday you were inducted into the New York
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  Speaker 4: Roadrunners Hall of Fame. So let's hear it for Shelaine.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome today. So excited to be here with you. I
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  Speaker 4: feel as though a good way for us to kick
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  Speaker 4: off maybe a little unconventional, but I'm going to need
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  Speaker 4: some audience participation here, so how it's gonna work is
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to give you two options to pick which
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  Speaker 4: one is true about Shlaine.
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  Speaker 2: Shelainne. Please don't participate.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, you will raise your hand with which one you
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  Speaker 4: think is correct, and then Slane will tell us which
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  Speaker 4: one is correct.
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  Speaker 1: Oh dear, hopefully I don't fail this.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, So Slaine's marathon pr is it either too
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  Speaker 4: twenty two fifty six or two twenty one fourteen?
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  Speaker 2: It's two twenty one fourteen for those.
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  Speaker 1: Berlin at home. He ran it in Berlin a long
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  Speaker 1: time ago.
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  Speaker 4: Fun fact, that's less time than it takes to watch
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  Speaker 4: the New Bond movie, which is much longer than that.
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  Speaker 4: And also a fun fact. What's the one world major
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  Speaker 4: you haven't run?
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  Speaker 1: Uh? Well, Tokyo. I did my virtual Tokyo in Portland, Oregon.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, still have to run Tokyo.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. How many superhero muffins are in Rise and Run?
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  Speaker 2: The new cookbook? Is it?
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know?
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  Speaker 2: Is it twenty four it's a lot or eighteen? I
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  Speaker 2: saw Slaine cheat on that a little bit sped in me.
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  Speaker 4: But that's correct, And it's a little funny to be honest,
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  Speaker 4: because how many superhero muffin recipes were in the first cookbook.
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  Speaker 1: The first one only had one. Yeah, so we have
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  Speaker 1: come a very long way with a superhero fandom.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, next question here. One of Slane's parents held
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  Speaker 4: the world record in the marathon. That's a fun fact fact.
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  Speaker 4: Is it her mom or her dad?
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  Speaker 1: Who is my mom? And does anyone know the time?
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  Speaker 1: This is how far women's distance running has come. This
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  Speaker 1: is a to me. Really, anyone have a guess of
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  Speaker 1: what time the world record was? When my mom said it?
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  Speaker 2: All right, just just listen, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, two fifty seven was the world record? Then?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 4: And the last question here, According to Sheelaine's former Bowerman
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  Speaker 4: track club teammate Amy Kragg, this is the most nervous
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  Speaker 4: she's ever seen Slane. Was it towing the line in
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  Speaker 4: Rio or throwing out the first pitch at the Red Side?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I think I don't even think I need to ask them.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly, I am. I am a like a one trick
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  Speaker 1: pony athlete. I I like running, I stick to it.
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  Speaker 1: Throwing is not my thing. So for sure being in
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  Speaker 1: the you know, throwing out the first pitch at the
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  Speaker 1: Boston Red Sox, that was terrifying. Yeah, don't ever ask
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  Speaker 1: me to do that again.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess you're saying a one sport athlete,
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  Speaker 4: But it seems as though you excel at a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of things. So what is something you don't excel at?
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  Speaker 1: Throwing? I really want to be a great dancer, like
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  Speaker 1: hip hop dancing, but I don't. I don't actually think
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. In my head, I'm like really good, But
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. You could ask Alise or any of
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  Speaker 1: my friends that are here what I'm not good at,
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  Speaker 1: and there's plenty. But I wish I was good at dancing.
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  Speaker 1: That's an answer.
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  Speaker 4: So you're like a hitch stay in the safe zone
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  Speaker 4: side to side dancer probably, yeah? Yeah, oh wow with
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  Speaker 4: the finger guns finger ginger guns.
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  Speaker 2: That good?
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  Speaker 4: All right, Well, I'd be remiss if I didn't start
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  Speaker 4: off with the question that everybody is wondering right now,
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  Speaker 4: which is, how are you doing really at this point?
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  Speaker 2: Five marathons in now?
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  Speaker 4: Just some context quick before I let you answer this.
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  Speaker 4: For those that may somehow be not aware of what's
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  Speaker 4: happening here, Selaine is about to run her sixth marathon
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  Speaker 4: in forty two days here in New York City, on Tomorrow,
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  Speaker 4: November seventh.
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  Speaker 1: So, Slaine, that sounds really silly, doesn't it right when
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  Speaker 1: you say that, it sounds silly, But yeah, well, how
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  Speaker 1: you doing? I am tired. I am very tired, But
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  Speaker 1: you know what, like this has been the most fun
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  Speaker 1: I've ever had running genuinely, I think what's difficult and
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  Speaker 1: why I feel tired right now is I was on
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  Speaker 1: a roll. I had five of them really close back
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  Speaker 1: to back, and that kind of made it easy because
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  Speaker 1: as soon as I finished, I would recover, and then
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  Speaker 1: I've got another one. I'd get amped up. But I've
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  Speaker 1: had three weeks kind of lingering to this one, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, oh, that's it's like
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  Speaker 1: this luxurious amount of time, you're gonna feel amazing. But
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  Speaker 1: the reality of my life is I have a son,
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  Speaker 1: I have another job of coaching, also writing cookbooks with
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  Speaker 1: a lease, and the launch of our Rise and Run cookbooks.
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  Speaker 1: So there's just been a lot of other things that
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  Speaker 1: have transpired in the last three weeks that have enhanced
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  Speaker 1: my life. But yet also I it's made me tired.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm tired, but I feel the energy of New York.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, is unlike any other marathon, Like you
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  Speaker 1: arrive here and I get chills, I get butterflies, Like
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  Speaker 1: there's something magical about this place. So as soon as
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  Speaker 1: I got here, I feel like the energy has picked
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  Speaker 1: up for me personally. Plus this place is just you know,
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  Speaker 1: I have an incredible team here with me. Elise is
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  Speaker 1: running her first marathon on Sunday as well, So a
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  Speaker 1: lot of motivation to do a good job here.
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  Speaker 4: And I know that Jack is here as well. You
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  Speaker 4: brought him over to Central Park the other day. Talk
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  Speaker 4: to me about how that was being back there in
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  Speaker 4: this place twenty seven, seen big Win, and now in
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  Speaker 4: such a different chapter of your life with him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think you saw me yesterday. Describe what
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  Speaker 1: it was like bringing him out to Central Park the
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  Speaker 1: other night. I started crying, like immediately, could barely talk. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's really emotional, Like a lot has happened since
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  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen for all of us, but Jack, we adopted
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  Speaker 1: him in twenty twenty during the pandemic when a lot
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  Speaker 1: of you know, really tough moments. But he was like
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  Speaker 1: a shining light for my husband and I. He really,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he made the pandemic not so terrible. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: by having him around and being able to spend so
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  Speaker 1: much time in bond with him, and then to just
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  Speaker 1: kind of bring him back into what I felt was
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  Speaker 1: like a previous life and to kind of have my
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  Speaker 1: world's intertwine. It's been. Yeah, it's been really emotional because
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  Speaker 1: I loved that chapter of my life, but I'm actually
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  Speaker 1: so much happier now having him, And I just love
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  Speaker 1: having him around the people of the running community. I
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  Speaker 1: think they're just the best people, to be honest, and
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  Speaker 1: so I want him influenced by this community, and so
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  Speaker 1: bringing him into this has been like made everything just
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  Speaker 1: so much more meaningful, so much more depth to it,
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  Speaker 1: just like a lot more emotion in general.
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  Speaker 4: I know a lot of people look to you for
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  Speaker 4: running advice, but you have done the unthinkable by bringing
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  Speaker 4: him along with you over the last you know, forty
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  Speaker 4: one days tomorrow day forty two. Any hot tip for
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  Speaker 4: traveling parents that he might need to know.
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  Speaker 2: You need a Kate.
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  Speaker 1: Burrowitz and Colleen Little and Alistko Pecky and Courtney White
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  Speaker 1: in your life. They're like the four Moms, So you
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  Speaker 1: need a team to be able to take care of children.
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  Speaker 1: And so I would definitely not recommend doing this alone.
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  Speaker 1: Doing it like having Jack there with me has been great.
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  Speaker 1: He's a really good kid, I will say that, but
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  Speaker 1: he has his moments. He has his meltdown so you know,
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  Speaker 1: face plant on the ground. But yeah, it's it's helped
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  Speaker 1: having people that really love him and help me be
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  Speaker 1: able to take care of him. But I think we've
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  Speaker 1: done things traveling because he's been with us that I
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  Speaker 1: don't think we would have done. Like when we were
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  Speaker 1: in Berlin, we went to the zoo, we went to
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  Speaker 1: the aquarium. I don't think a bunch of adults would
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  Speaker 1: have probably have gone and done that, But it was
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  Speaker 1: like it made our experience actually so much better by
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  Speaker 1: having him and like forcing us to do things that
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  Speaker 1: we probably wouldn't have done.
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  Speaker 4: I love that. I love the aquarium. I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I could see you being like, you
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  Speaker 4: know what we should do, that we should hit the
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  Speaker 4: aquarium exactly. Well, I've heard you, I mean, trust me.
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  Speaker 4: In preparing for this, I've listened to too many Jeline Flanagan
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  Speaker 4: podcast account I've watched old Chileane Flanagan videos.
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  Speaker 1: I you know, I'm just like, you're tired of me already.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all, not at all.
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  Speaker 4: But in doing this, I've heard you say now that
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  Speaker 4: this experience over the last forty two days has truly
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  Speaker 4: been very different but also really beautiful and given you
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  Speaker 4: a new appreciation for run. I'd love if you could
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  Speaker 4: talk to us a little bit about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my relationship with running was very different as a
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  Speaker 1: professional athlete. I think I derived a lot of my
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  Speaker 1: self worth and confidence in my results, like if you
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  Speaker 1: work hard, you want it showcase by a win or
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  Speaker 1: a record, And so there was a lot of like
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  Speaker 1: I felt like I was carrying around a lot of
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  Speaker 1: weight to each run to be executed as best as
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  Speaker 1: it could be. And you know, I was driven constantly
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  Speaker 1: of like how can I be the best athlete? And
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  Speaker 1: that was just twenty four hours a day, three hundred
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  Speaker 1: and sixty five days a year for like almost twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: So now that that chapter of being a professional athlete
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  Speaker 1: and being paid to do that, and now that I'm
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  Speaker 1: not paid to be an athlete, the dynamic has drastically
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  Speaker 1: shifted and like for the better. Now running is just
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  Speaker 1: completely my own and I've described it as just being lighter,
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  Speaker 1: like I don't feel like I'm carrying this wit of
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  Speaker 1: expectation that genuinely I placed on myself. But now it's
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  Speaker 1: just a lot more care free. I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: it's a better relationship. And I've enjoyed being a part
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  Speaker 1: of the sport, being with the masses. You know, that
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  Speaker 1: elite start line is intense. I when I furnished Berlin Marathon,
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  Speaker 1: my team was like, how was it. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: it was great. I made so many friends out there
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  Speaker 1: and they were like, what is what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, the elites don't talk to each other
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  Speaker 1: when we're out running a marathon, and so it's like
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  Speaker 1: two and a half hours in your own head, which
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  Speaker 1: is really dangerous. And I was like I got to
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  Speaker 1: meet people and engage and it was just completely different,
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  Speaker 1: and it just I don't know's I love what I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing right now and I'm just like excited that I
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  Speaker 1: took the leap of faith to do this challenge because
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  Speaker 1: it's changed how I look at running.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would imagine that in those interactions you had
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  Speaker 4: like a very mixed bag, Like some people probably completely
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  Speaker 4: blindsided by the fact that you're running next to them.
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  Speaker 4: Others like very sure coming up to you did anyone
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  Speaker 4: like just straight up seek you out like a homing
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  Speaker 4: missile out there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like I've had some very interesting conversations. Like one guy
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  Speaker 1: rolled up next to me and Lenny. He's like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: your kid is so cute, and I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: know right. He's like, yeah, Jack's awesome, gave me a
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  Speaker 1: fist bump, and then ran off. A guy in Chicago
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  Speaker 1: rolled up next to me and he's like, yo, I
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  Speaker 1: got some of these energy bites from your cookbook. You
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  Speaker 1: want one? And he like pulled out of his sweaty shorts.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, I'm good. He found me at
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  Speaker 1: the finish he's like, I got next one. You want one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like no, I'm really good. No, it's I've had
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  Speaker 1: incredible interactions and genuinely like they're all like, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: it's just the best people. So yeah, really fun.
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  Speaker 4: You mentioned twenty years of professional running back in college.
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  Speaker 4: You were already slaying and excelling beyond at that point.
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  Speaker 2: Did you know I wanted to go pro guys?
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  Speaker 4: I remember I read somewhere that you may have an
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  Speaker 4: arts background.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that is true. Yeah, I was in high school.
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  Speaker 1: We had like an art major program. I grew up
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  Speaker 1: in a little town north of Boston, and it was
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  Speaker 1: very big in it like arts program, and so a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people went on to be in theater. Like
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  Speaker 1: I have really like famous classmates, but everyone's like art heavy. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: in fact, my best friend lives here and she works
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  Speaker 1: for MoMA. But anyways, I basically essentially was creating art
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  Speaker 1: portfolio to go to art school. I knew I would
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  Speaker 1: run in college. I was recruited to go run for
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  Speaker 1: the University of North Carolina, but yeah, I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: really what the landscape of professional running was. I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: that seems cool, like maybe I can do that, but
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know what it would take to actually be
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  Speaker 1: a professional runner. So in college, I'm like, that would
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  Speaker 1: be awesome, that would be really cool, but I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know how that would work out, to be honest.
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  Speaker 4: So it seems as though you've always found the joy
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  Speaker 4: in running, would you say that's right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I think I was a really shy young girl, and
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  Speaker 1: running gave me a tremendous amount of confidence, and that
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  Speaker 1: felt good. It felt good to be good at something.
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  Speaker 1: We all want to be good at something, and so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I stuck with it because I'm like, well, I'm actually
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  Speaker 1: good at this.
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  Speaker 4: So I think like maybe the everyday runner would hear
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  Speaker 4: this and they're like, wow, that sounds great. But like
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  Speaker 4: I don't always find the joy in running. Like some
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  Speaker 4: days you go out there and you're like, wow, this
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  Speaker 4: like really sucks.
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  Speaker 2: I completely feels like I've never run before.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I have those days too.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 4: I remember yesterday you were saying, like, I had the
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  Speaker 4: worst workout ever, and it was like two weeks ago,
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  Speaker 4: and you were like, I don't know what we're going
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  Speaker 4: to do when we have to get to New York.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, I had a really terrible workout with some
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  Speaker 1: of the Bowerman lead athletes that I've been kind of
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  Speaker 1: like hopping in their workouts, and I was trying to
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  Speaker 1: chop it up to being like six forty five in
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  Speaker 1: the morning and like pouring rain and such. But no,
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  Speaker 1: I felt terrible. But we all have those days. And
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  Speaker 1: literally one week later I went to go do a
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  Speaker 1: workout with that crew six forty five in the morning
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  Speaker 1: and I felt completely different. Athletes, So you just have
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: to kind of ride the highs and lows, and there
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: are some days I get out there I'm like have
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I ever run before? I feel terrible, but I feel
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: like one thing I've learned during the pandemic is like
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: mood follows action, Like you don't always have to be
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: motivated to actually get out there, Like you get out
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: there to then get motivated. It's then kind of like
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: the mantra I saw that.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: You share that and rise and run as well.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: I feel like for those individuals that those days really
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: string together is kind of when it can really feel
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: like a hurdle that's just you're unable to get over.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: So beyond riding the highs and lows, what actionable advice
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: can you offer to someone who has who struggles making
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: like regular movement a regular habit.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I genuinely believe like we all have
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: a movement that speaks to us, and it's not necessarily
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: running like that has happens to me. Be my like
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: love language like movement, you know, for my dad now
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: it's it's biking. And but I also do believe in
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: like a good variety because then it makes you appreciate
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: when you do get to go for a run. So
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: it's just being consistently active. It doesn't have to always
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: be the same sport. But I do believe that we
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: drive like a connection to some type of movement, like
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: it can be danced, and some people thrive off of
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: doing it alone. Some people thrive off of like group environments.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Like now, you know, for years, I could do a
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: lot of training by my own and be completely fine
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: and enjoy it. But now it's like, if I don't
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: have someone to run with, I'm just it's not really
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: my thing. I enjoy being in an environment where I'm
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: talking and then I'm engaging. I look at it as
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: like social time now, and I think especially with like
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: people who are working a lot and like parents, like
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: meeting up with girlfriends and engaging over a run, there's
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: like a special bond. I don't know why it is,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: but I have this sery that when you don't actually
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: have to make eye contact, people will like pour their
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: heart out to you and tell you the crazy stuff.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: So like on runs, I'm always like, wow, like that
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: was really insightful, and just because I feel like the
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: lack of eye contact actually allows people to open up
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: and maybe the movement makes them more free to share.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: So for the rest of the podcast, I'm actually definly
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: not going to stare this way and not.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Look at Slaine.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: We've heard it called before, the Slaine Landagan effect. I
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: think they called it in New York Times. You mentioned
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Barrum and Track Club. Obviously a coach over there right now.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: We all, I think, as individuals, can reflect upon excellent
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: coaches and mentors that we've had in our life. But
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: these athletes that you train, they truly truly look to
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: you as a coach as a mentor. But I'm sure
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: for you you also learn so much from them.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: So if you think about.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Maybe some of the best takeaways that you've had so
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: far in your time coaching since you I'll use these
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: quotes like retired, because we've talked about what we're doing here,
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: what have you learned from your athletes?
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm going to be forever learning from them.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: But now that we've you know, I've flipped from being
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: where they are to now where I sit. In my view,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I feel like what I've learned is like just to
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: be a little bit more compassionate towards them, and like
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: some of the stressors that they go through, it's not
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: necessarily the physical stressors. It's more of like their mental
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: health that I'm learning that they sometimes need more of
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: the mental health like and help than they do the
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: actual physical Like anyone can write up the workouts, and
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I believe, you know, running is not super complicated, but
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I do believe that it's become more prevalent to help
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: address the mental side and mental component to have them
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: get to that next level. I think that's been neglected
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: for a long time, and so I'm learning that I
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: have to not just check in like, oh, how's your
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: body feel today? Well, like how do you feel? Like
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: all totality of the person. And I think, again, that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: has been neglected, and so I'm learning to, you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: make sure that we approach each athlete is like their
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: whole life, not and like them as a whole person,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: not just them that as an athlete, if that makes sense.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think like going back to the idea
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: of the effect, would you want to do you want
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: to tell us what the schlen plant?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you can call it. Lindsay Krause, she
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: lives here. No that that article like it made me
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: chuckle because I'm just like, I'm just being me and
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: she like makes me sound really cool, and I'm like,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not really that cool. But she I mean, I
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: just I just believe that if we invest in other people,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: it can only elevate us. So and then when someone
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: else has success, that is also your success because you
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: contributed to the success. And there's plenty of room for
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: people to share and to be successful. Like it's just
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: it's fun to share that joy.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's super fun to share that joy. I'll
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: never forget. And uh, there was a research study that
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: was released that actually talked exactly about that. It talked
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: about the benefits that you get as an athlete by
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: lifting others up as you're aunt like literally in the
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: act of it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: And I believe I read that study very.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Conveniently right before the twenty eighteen Boston Marathon, a great
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: time for Selene and I both. And I was out
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: there struggle city like drenched. I think I was wearing
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: a black trash bag. It was very like, very chic
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: and just running by people. I'm so miserable, and I'm like,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: you're doing great.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, doing so well. And I mean that day, even
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: for you, it totally came into play.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're talking about my my potty break.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I mean like I'm like hinting at that, but like
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: boosting others up, has always seemed to play you well
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: for you.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: So I feel like Dez owes me, you know, a
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: big pat on the back because she I had to
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: make a pit stop during the marathon in twenty eighteen
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: when we were all experiencing hypothermia, so I just wanted
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: to duck in a port a potty to get warm
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: real quick, and she said, hey, I'll hang back and
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I'll wait for you and try to slow down. The
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: field noticed I went in there, and they took off,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: so she hung back. But the concept is the act
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: of her trying to help me. I think then bolstered
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: her to be like, Okay, I'm fine, I'm back in it,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and she actually then was wrote history. So her act
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: of kindness towards me because earlier in the race, like
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: literally mile five, she's like, yo, I'm dropping out today,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and I was like, it's mile five does and she's like, yeah, no,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: it's not my day. I don't feel good, and I'm
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: like it does. I was like, I was like, yo,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: no one feels good. But yeah, I think she thought
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: maybe like other people felt good and I'm like, no,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: no one feels good. But then I think after that
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: little interaction of the porter potty step, she's like, Yo, yeah,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't feel good. Maybe I feel
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: better than I think, And so it just allowed her
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: to have a shift of you know, like some positivity
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I know, I mean not just that day,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: but throughout your career you've obviously had races that didn't
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: go as you had hoped for so many Maybe two
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: points of advice. One, what does someone do if they're
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: in the middle of it and they realize that they
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: need to pivot? Like maybe you lace up, You're gonna
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: run the New York Marathon and tomorrow like all that
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: you've got is less than you'd hoped.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: How does someone keep going in that moment?
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I can say this, I've had more mediocre, disappointing
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: races than I've had great races or exceeded my expectations.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: So the norm is like more towards like a little
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: bit disappointed, right, But yeah, pivoting is essential.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I liked it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: In my head as I approach each race that I've
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: run in my careers, I have like a list of
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: three goals so that you're not written in just like
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: obsessed with just the one goal, because then if that
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: one thing goes wrong, then you're like, oh, I'm done,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: can't do it, like you want to like just give up.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: You can't have that happen. So, because believe me, I've
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: done that before. So I always like to list out
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: like I got goal one, goal two, goal three. On
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the way here. Alisa and I were talking about like
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: she's like someone talking. We were talking about goals, and
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: she's like, well, I've already achieved my goal. And I'm like, wait,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the gun hasn't gone off because she's running on Sunday.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: She's like, no, just get to the start line healthy,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Like that's my number one goal. So it can be
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: you know, really big audacious goals, or it can be
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: like very concrete, just like simple things like just get
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to the start line healthy. That's awesome, you know. So
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: for like me, i'd be like, Okay, yeah, on a
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: perfect day, I'm winning on you know. If not, if
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not winning, then maybe I'm running a PB or
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm placing top ten, you know. And so like
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: when things were going awry, I would just be like, Okay,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: well that's not happening. I'll go I'll move on to
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: goal number two now, something to focus on and like
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: that's tangible.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: What would you say the I feel like you said
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: big Harry as describing a word for like big, hairy,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: audacious goals. What would you say, The biggest, hairyest, most
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: audacious goal you've ever set has.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Been winning the New York City Marathon by far. Yeah,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: it's hard. I had to face Mary Katani here so
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: many times, and she's really just a badass. So yeah,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: this is this is where the world's best comes is
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: New York. Genuinely believe that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: And so then let's fast forward a little bit to
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, you making the announcement that you're going to retire.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: For you at that time coming off of back to
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: back knee surgeries, something that so many people I'm sure
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: are in your DMS about talking about injury and how
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: to navigate that experience, which can be so lonely for some.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Give us some insight into where your head was at
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: when you came to terms with the fact that this
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: was what was on the docket for you.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I was in denial that I was
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: going to have to go through knee surgery. So I
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: tried everything under the sun. My PT Colleen is here.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: She and I came up with like everything that we
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: could do to not have surgery, because like that's the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: last resort option, but it was inevitable. I had torn
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: on both knees, a significant amount of my potilla attendant
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: off the bone, so I now have cadaver tendons and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: both knees screws. All suits are down. The prognosis was
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: not great. I sought out one of the best doctors
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: in the world for knee surgery and he asked me, like, well,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: what's your goal And I said, uh, just to be
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: able to run again. And he's like, I can do that,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: but he's like, I just want you to know, like
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: likely probably not any professional running, right, And I'm like, yeah,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: we'll take that off the table. So I in my
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: mind was like, man, if I can just one run
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: ever again, that would be great. And then two, if
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: like I could just run a few times a week,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: maybe thirty to sixty minutes, just enough to be able
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to like run with my athletes, like man, I'll be
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: so happy. And here I am, so that's crazy. Yeah,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I mean I think I had a great surgeon. I'm
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: obviously really stubborn, and then I had great physical therapy.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I think the back half the surgeon can only do
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: so much. You really have to do a lot with
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: physical therapy it's essential. And then obviously a good diet
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and taking care of yourself. But upon you know, those
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: two surgeries, I think when you stripped away like physical exercise,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I could not do anything for like, it was extremely painful.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: First of all the surgeries they were it was really bad,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: but being like bedridden and not being able to really
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: move much, from going from being so physically active and
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: then being like inside so much I was not good
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: for my mental health completely. I remember just feeling like
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: like who am I? This is like a former shell
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: of me, and like not just not feeling good at all.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: So it's really was difficult time.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: For Now that you've gone through that, I'm sure that
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: you're able to recognize that there are things that you
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: can do to maybe like boost that mental health or
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: reach out a little bit more.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: And some reflections from that.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: So for someone that may be going through that exact
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: experience right now, what do you have to offer them?
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: My mental s was like, oh, you know, I went
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: from I can't do this, I can't do this, I
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: can't do this, feeling sorry for myself, and then I
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: had to shift it and be like, well I can
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: do this, and then you know, feeding off the momentum
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: like oh I can get on crutches today, Oh I
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: get to I would celebrate the little tiniest things of
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: being like, oh I got out of my sweatpants today. Yeah,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: like I took a shower today. I can do these
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: things instead of the I can't. And that just like
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: kept on just feeding on itself of like focusing on
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: what I can do instead of what I can't.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I think that, I mean, I would think that everyone's
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: probably gonna no their head when that's like what we
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: learned over the last you know, twelve sixteen eighteen months
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: was that we need to find those small wins and
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: take some happiness and the smaller joys. For you over
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: the last sixteen eighteen months, aside from spending more time
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: with Jack and now about to complete your six marathon
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: in for two days, what would you say have been
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: some of the small joys for you?
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it to me, the small joy is
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: like I think we took a lot of things for granted,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and so just the re emergence of the little things
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: and like the sense of gratitude of just like even
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: us sitting here all together, having events where we can
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: even just giving, like my friends a hug, touching one
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: another again, like just like the those kind of things.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Those have been like what we're like taken for granted.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Joys have become like huge joys to me.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: If you had to articulate maybe a high and low
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: of this marathon journey for you, what would you say?
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Those are?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Hmmm, high, We'll start with the highs. One of my
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: favorite traditions that we started on this whole journey with
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the women that I've traveled with is we have champagne
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: and fries after every marathon. So I always have like
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: that to look forward too, Like I get to the finish,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yes, it's champagne in first time, So
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that's I'd say that's been a high. And like just
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: having them there at the finish, like having people that
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: care about you at the finish makes it that much
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: more fun and that much more motivating to get to
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the finish line as quick as possible. That combined with
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the ability to have Jack with me at all of
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: these for the most part. He didn't come to Chicago
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and Boston because that was a quick turnaround. But yeah,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: just having that support team at the finish line has
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: been a huge low. We'd probably been walking in London.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: It was like I was in a massive pain cave
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: in London. I misjudged my pacing and the last like
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: ten k five k were really really hard for me,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Like I was very, very uncomfortable and had to walk
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: for the first time into marathon. But it taught me
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: a lot, Like now I actually think I'll be a
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: better coach and giving advice for the marathon because I
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: had never got and that bad of a place before.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: So I actually think you can turn it into a positive.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I now can recommend, like I told the least a
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: couple of times already, I'm like, it's okay to walk.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Walking is very cool, It's great. You should walk if
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: you need more fluid, you've got a cramp. It can
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: actually go from like what could be a disaster of
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: a day and maybe not finishing to then you got it.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: It doesn't take long. Sometimes it's just thirty seconds, and
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: it changes the whole trajectory of the actual race.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: By doing that, I mean speaking of a lease running
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: her first marathon here in New York, a lot of
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: other beginners. I mean, I would argue, if you like
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: you're you can be a beginner marathon or but if
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: you're about to go out for a marathon, then you're
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: a pretty experienced runner, I would hope. So for those
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: that are either tackling their first marathon here this weekend
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: or maybe thinking that one day they could want to
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: do something like that, what do you tell them in
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: terms of like maybe a best strategy tip or.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean there's there's a lot of there's
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of things you could tell someone, but ultimately
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: they have to have like the desire to actually want
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: to do it, Like you shouldn't do it because you
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: feel pressure to do it. There needs to be a
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: genuine desire to do a marathon because there's nothing easy
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: about it. The training's not easy, the actual race is
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: not easy. So like you got to really want to
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: do it, and you got to know your reason why
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: you're doing it, and because if you don't have that,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: why then you have a lot of lonely miles of
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out why you should put another foot
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: in front of in front of another. So yeah, you
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: just you got to know that reason why you want
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: to do it and genuinely feel it in your and
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: your soul.
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  Speaker 4: That makes me think about the opportunity costs that goes
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: hand in hand with running a marathon, right, Like you'll
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: talk to so many runners and especially elites that talk
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: about not being able to go to family functions or
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: weddings because they have to incorporate certain training into their
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: routine and traveling just doesn't seem to you a part
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: of it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: When you think about some of.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: The opportunity costs that you've undertaken, you know, over your career,
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: what does that bring to mind for you?
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you have a hard goal and
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: a big goal. There's always some sacrifices that go along
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: with it to try to achieve something big. And I
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: missed so many. I mean, I don't think I went
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I didn't even go to a Lasa's wedding. I miss
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: so many of you know, friends and families gatherings, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: fortunately they were very understanding in my my, my big, hairy,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: audacious goals. But yeah, now I now, I've tried to
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: invest my time in supporting other people a lot more now.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the sport can require some selfishness to a degree,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: but it at the same time that selfishness also when
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: it does like play out, there's a lot of positive
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: that goes along with it. Like I don't regret some
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: of those decisions, even though they were really hard to
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: do and I felt like I was missing out a
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: lot and it would make me sad a lot of times.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: But the joy that I also saw when I won
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: the New York City Marathon, on people that care about me,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: their faces and the joy it brought them, then that's
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: just what you have to weigh the cost benefit.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: It's interesting, right because I like, take a step back
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: and I ask myself slash, I'm about to ask you,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: like if you had gone through the last year and
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: a half or two, Like, imagine if the COVID nineteen
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: pandemic happened ten years ago, right, Yeah, and we all
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: have this like very I would say, maybe a little
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: bit different of a perspective on life and everything now
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: than we did eighteen months ago. So if you think
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: about maybe some of those decisions at this point, having
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: had the experiences you have had with your family, do
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: you think that you may have made some of those
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: same decisions.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you mean like missing out on some of those things. Yeah, Yeah,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: that's a really good question. I don't know. I mean
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I think at the same time, the pandemic is all
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: so made me realize like seizing the opportunity right in
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: front of me a little bit more, not to be reckless,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: but like you just, I want to just throw myself
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: into things because, like you just, it's like you never
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: know kind of scenario. So now I feel like I'm
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: ending up seeing like yes to things that maybe I
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: would have been like no, like wait till later, wait
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: till later. I'm like kind of not in the wait
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: till later mode. I feel like a sense of urgency
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: of when an opportunity presents itself to be like Nope,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: now's the time. Nope, now's the time. I think I
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: was like really good at delayed gratification, and now I'm like,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I get I get a little bit of worry because
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: of the pandemic of like Nope, we need to like
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: capitalize and we need to do it now.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: For you, I mean, this is a simple segue into
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: why you chose to take on Project Eclipse as it's called. Now,
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: why you decided to make the call to run all
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: six marathons in this short time span. Why don't you
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: shed a little bit of light on that for us?
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, there there's a short answer and then there's like
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: a really long winded answer.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: So how long is the long winded I don't know.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I'll give you the short one. Is I would say,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the reason, like or why I'm doing it is I
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: like to just say because I can, And by that
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm capable of it and I can, so
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: like I don't know, does that make sense? Like I
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: because I can and not everyone can. When when the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: schedule came out and I was like, oh wow, like
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: six marathons in forty two days, someone should do that?
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: And then I thought, well, like why why would I
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: say that? Someone else should like why not me? So
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: that's always been like a phrase that I've had in
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: my career of like, so, oh that would be great
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: to do. I'm like, well why not me? And I
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: think everyone should always be asking themselves like why not me?
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Why can't that be me? And doing that? You know
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: that that big scary thing. But yeah, also I just, uh,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: the reason more layers to it is I felt like,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: basically I was struggling mentally and felt like very depressed
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: during the pandemic and retiring and going through knee surgeries,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: and I missed having a goal I call it like
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the pandemic, like a goalless abyss. And I just felt
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: the need to do something kind of hard again. And
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like when I'm doing hard things, I actually
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: feel more alive when I'm challenging myself that and I
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: just want to, yeah, showcase to young women that sport
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: can be for life and change your life for the better.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I'm grateful that running came into my life and I
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: went from an extremely shy young girl to you know,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: a moderately shy adult now. And yeah, it's just it's
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: changed my life for the better, and I just felt
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: the need to just do something challenging. Again.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: You mentioned going through that tough time of feeling a
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: little bit depressed during the pandemic. I'm sure many people
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: listening to this or watching this right now can certainly
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: relate to that. For you, having so many eyes on you,
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: does that make you feel some kind of way about
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: how you're supposed to quote unquote present yourself outwardly, like
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Shleanne Flannegt is not supposed to be depressed.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Uh, I don't. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I think I just am like pretty good at being
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: genuinely myself at least I try to like always do
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: a gut check of like are you genuinely doing this
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: because you want to or are you trying to people please?
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: And you know, to a degree, we all do things
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to you know, be a people pleaser. But yeah, I
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: mean I didn't. I don't feel shy and sharing that, like, yeah,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't feel great during the pandemic. I think more
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: people can relate to that than not, And it's understandable,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: you know, And I don't know, I yeah, I just
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I believe in trying to be as authentic as possible.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I'm probably not great at all the time, but yeah,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I try not to worry about what people think, and
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: if it is, you know, people think negative things, then
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well then we probably wouldn't be friends.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: So we were there any considerations going into Project Eclipse
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: that like made you kind of for a second be like, wait,
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: is this the right thing?
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I mean I just generally worried maybe that I would
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: do something to my knees, and I didn't want to
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: compromise the hard work that my surgeon had done and
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: my PT done and just you know, getting back to
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: a good place of actually running. So I was definitely
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: worried about that. And I was able to use this
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Nike Sports Research Lab and they've been monitoring my knees
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: throughout the whole thing and doing scans to make sure
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I wasn't doing any damage because at the end of
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the day, I didn't want to be injured again, you know.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: So while I wanted to do this, I was like, wait,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: can I physically really do it? Just because it's here
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's here. So that's been really nice to
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: know that, like I have that, and then using inside tracker,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: being able to track my biomarkers through my blood to
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: make sure I'm maintaining good health throughout this whole project,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: and then obviously eating from rise and run. I mean,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I've got a team of people behind the scenes to
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: make sure. But like my ultimate worrying concern was is
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: just like staying healthy. I didn't want to be out
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: here being like, you know, breaking things and just you know,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: looking like I was reckless. I want to be able
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to promote health and wellness and taking care of yourself.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: And so that's why I enlisted a really great support
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: system to be able to do it.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, you're definitely highlighting something that is so important again,
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: this support system. I think so often we want to
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: prove to ourselves that like, I've got this on my own,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: I can do it. But sometimes reaching out for help,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: extending your hand and being like, hey, I can't do
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: this alone. Getting to that place of admitting that is.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: The first I think I'm actually like too good at it.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like I need help, I need help, I need help.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I'm an advocate. If you don't
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: know that area, like get the best people around you.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: People have said like, oh, the success you've had and
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: like it's only because I'm I'm honest and be like
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to do that, like and I
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: need your help, Like I need help with this, I
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: need help, and like not being afraid to me. It's like,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't you, Why wouldn't you find the best people
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: to help you.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Do you remember a circumstance where was there I mean,
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: was there a specific time that you reflect on where
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: maybe you weren't as good at that and you kind
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: of learned a lesson about it the hard way.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a great story there I can't think
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: of off the top of my head, but yeah, it's
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sure for absolutely has happened, and I'm sure that's
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: why now I am so good at it.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Say good at it?
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Please help.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when you announced that you were going to do this,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you also probably got some like feedback and
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: then maybe also some like helpful advice or tips and
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: tricks yourself. Can you think of anyone's advice to you
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: embarking on this journey that really stands out?
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I think I got a lot more, Like you're crazy.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: One of the big thing has just been like my
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: nutrition and trying to dial that in to make sure
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I'm getting in enough calories and monitoring that component. I
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: think it's been like where people have really reached out.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I think they people in general like know that I
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: understand the running component, even though this is like completely
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: new to me. I've never done anything like this, so
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: it's like, how do you even prepare for it? But
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is like I've been relying
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: on my team for my nutrition has been like the
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: big one and that they've reached out and I've been
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: really trying to listen and do a good job with that.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: We mentioned twenty four different superhero muffins in the Rise
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: and Run cookbook.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite?
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: The dark chocolate banana are probably my favorite.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: One of two superhero muffins I've ever made?
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: Oh nice, Okay, jog is the original super muff super wow?
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the original muffin. Yeah? And then this one from
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: resin Run. That's a good one.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you can't can't go wrong.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: So we're talking about the importance of nutrition, it feels
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: like a really great time for me to maybe call
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: upon Stevie from Inside Tracker. You guys had work together
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: over the last you know, handful of months as well
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: as previous to that, and in working together you definitely
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: learned a lot Stevie, as I said, a registered dietitian,
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: and so shedding some light on what it is that you've.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Been doing and your little.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: Journey here, Stevie, talk to us about what you've learned
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: working with Slaine.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: She is a superhero herself.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: After looking at some of her blood work after Boston
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: and Chicago back to back, but honestly getting more real,
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: a little bit more scientific that you can tell in
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: her blood work since we've been working together, specifically starting
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: right after she got back from the Olympics, how much
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: her and her team have really worked to dial in
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: her nutrition and her recovery. Obviously we know Shelaine Elise.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: They have these amazing cookbooks as resources for all runners
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: and active individuals, even anyone just looking to eat a
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: little bit healthier, so they know how to eat, they
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: know how to fuel, but especially when you're taking on
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: a big challenge, right for some people that might be
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: go on couch to ten k, or for Slaine, it's
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: doing all of these marathon that when yes, you can
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: eat healthy, you can eat your vegetables.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: And whole grains.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: But by using blood work, blood biomarkers who inside tracker,
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: we've really been able to help guide her to take
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: that to the next level. Take a closer look and
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: see how she can continue to fine tune with all
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: of this, you know, not just physical stress, but also
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: the mental and emotional stress of all the travel and
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: momming and everything she has on her plate, nutrition and
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: kind of monitoring are we fueling our bodies not just
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: for all these amazing marathons, but also all of the
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: other responsibilities and things that we love to make sure
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: that we're staying healthy doing that. And she's done an awesome,
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: awesome job through her blood work. I was like, I
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: had been waiting for the results after all of them,
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: and when I saw them after Boston and Chicago, I was.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, my gosh, yeah, so can we share like
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: just a little bit. Like So, for example, we did
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: a baseline test in August after the Olympics. It showed
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: that I was kind of stressed after the Olympics, rightfully
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: so watching my athletes compete. And then we did a
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: test right after Berlin and London, and again some of
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the typical like markers of cortisol was spiked the as alt, ASD.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: And alt which are enzymes that also indicate muscle breakdown,
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: muscle damage along with creatine kinas and as well as
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: your inflammation. Those all went up, which would be a
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: normal response. Those will elevate right after a marathon. They
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: should start to drop back drop down within seven days
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: of completing a marathon.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: So those elevated, yes, But then I did the doubleheader
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: of the Chicago Boston back to back, which you think
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: would be obviously kind of traumatic to the body. But
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I think I'd done a good job of like adjusting
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: after we saw some of the biomarkers kind of spike up.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I actually had better markers after the Chicago Boston just
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: because I was a little bit more on top of
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: stuff and took the feedback and my levels had dropped,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: and so in terms of some of those like ir
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: irrore irritations to the body essentially, which was like crazy
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: to see.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, didn't you take an ice bath after Chicago. Yes,
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: everyone goes to buy multiple, multiple bats and get.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: An ice there's this torture there. They're terrible, but I've
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: seen results, So I was like, if there's one time
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: to do it now, it would be a good time.
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah it was. It was pretty remarkable to
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: see those drops. And then we did one more kind
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: of a few like a couple of weeks, like nine
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: days after you did your virtual Tokyo, and some of
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: those marklers markers already went back down into her optimized zone,
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: which was pretty incredible and nice to see. Like, Okay,
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: yes she has all the life stress with you know,
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: rise and Run launching everything else. She's handling coaching again.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: But everything she's done has really set herself up to
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: come into this, you know, grand finale of Project Eclipse.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Ready to go, so ready to go.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: No excuses here now, I mean one more.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Question for you before I let you go. STV is
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: for those that are interesting. I mean, it's so easy
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: right to just be like I'm going to get a
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: blood test on Tuesday, but then what happens after that,
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: Like making that appointment is literally the easiest part because
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: so many people don't follow up to understand what these
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: results mean for them.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: So why is that important?
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: Why is it important to maybe talk with a registered
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: dietitian or maybe more in depth with the physician about
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: what we're seeing as a part of getting blood work.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great point and great question. So yes,
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: of course information is helpful. It's good to have those markers,
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: whether it's your first blood test or your fifth blood test.
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: But it's just like anything, they could just sit there
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: and then if you don't take any actions to improve them,
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: they're never going to get better. With inside Tracker, we
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: will give you an action plan with recommendations, very easy,
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: digestible things that you can start to do, whether it's
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: through nutrition.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Lifestyle rest.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: If you choose to take supplements, we give very scientific
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: and guided supplement advice. But if it's something that's still
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: confusing to you, or you're unsure of how to put
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: those actions into place in a way that will benefit you,
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: working with someone to help you break it down, make
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: it a little bit easier and kind of fit your preferences,
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: your lifestyle. Make those small actions that are of course
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: goals that are attainable and achievable, so then you can
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: start to feel better, have more energy, and you know,
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: as Shelaane has said, you know she wants to run forever.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: I find that testing with inside Tracker is a really
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: really good way to kind of get that longevity in sport,
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: so you're not just worrying about performance right now, but
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: also keeping an eye on your health long.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Term as well.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for shutting you're playing on that. Yeah,
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. I do want to go back
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: to the note that you said before about it's important
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: to have multiple goals.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: I'm going to talk really close to this microphone now
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: while this siren goes by.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: So that is very New York, right, sounds fine? I
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: love New York. I.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: You mentioned the importance of having three goals, right, like
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: having multiple things that you can aim for going into
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: any race. And it was so funny to me that
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: you said the number three, because I'll never forget that.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: My old boss, her name is lis Ploster. She's not
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: the other in chief at Woman's Health. She always told
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: me when it comes to running. For her, she also
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: had three goals, and it was the goal that, like
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: you like put out there publicly, the goal that like
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: maybe you tell your friends and the goal you tell
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: no one, right, Like the goal that just sits like
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: right in the middle of your chest and like your
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: anxious zone that's like all of your scary, big potential. Yeah,
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: do you want to talk a little bit about where
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: your goals are at going into New York?
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Well, the like which one.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm like waiting for you to give
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: us something.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Deal, Like what everyone knows is that I want to
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: finish tomorrow for sure, finish project clips. But the one
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: that you know, I'm keeping closer to my chest, that
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: would be like we've all had this, hopefully where you
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: get out there and you're like, I'm having a day,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I feel great, and you're kind of in this state
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: of flow. You're like you click off the mouse, You're like, ooh,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: like that's nice. That didn't feel that hard, you know,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: and it just like comes natural and you're not forcing it.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I would love to have that kind of a day tomorrow,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: have it click feel good. You know, it's not going
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: to feel good the entire way, but just in that
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: state of flow where you can enjoy running, where it's
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: not a struggle and you have to really you know,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: grit down and so that I can run fast, but
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: yet I can enjoy what New York City Marathon has
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: to offer. My ultimate goal for myself is to bend,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: is to like enjoy these marathons, and so I would
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: love if they coincided with just entering in that state
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: of flow where things come nice and natural and easy
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: and I get to enjoy it.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: You and I have the same goal. That's so awesome. Wow,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: never never thought.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, now, as we mentioned before, you said that
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: you really try not to worry about what all the
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: other people think as you're going about, you know, your life.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: Many of us follow you on Instagram. One of the
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: four hundred thousand people that follow you on Instagram, when
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: they come to your page, they see a woman that
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: has now retired, but a professional runner and a mother
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: doing a lot of really cool fun things over in Oregon.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: When you look in the mirror, what is it that
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: you see looking back at you?
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I don't even know who am I. I don't know.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I have what I like would hope that
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: I think about myself. I don't know. I mean again,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I just hope that like I as close to being
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: authentically me is possible in general. But I don't know.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a fairly confident person, and I
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: don't know that, Yeah, that I feel good about myself
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: and proud of what I do. I try to, yeah,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: do things that I'm like, you know, I feel like
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: we should at times, like you can look to other
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: people for inspiration, but at the end of the day,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: like hopefully we all like find inspiration in what we do.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: So hopefully, like you know, when I look at myself
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: like and be like, yeah, that was that was good.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: You're doing a good job.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: You're doing a good job.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: O things.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna take this opportunity right now. We
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: have thumbs up in the Bachelin. He's doing great.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: I'm going to take this opportunity right now to open
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: up for about like ten to fifteen minutes to audience questions.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: We do have a microphone that they will bring you.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: But what will happen is they will bring you the microphone,
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: you will ask it, I.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Will reiterate it, and then we will move forward.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: So this is your big moment right now, really to
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: get outside of your comfort zone apcially and it's done
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: many times, and maybe ask her a question. So feel
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: free to raise your hand. I'll go with Audrey front right.
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: Hi, both of you. First of all, thank you so
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: much for this today. This has been so citing and great.
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: My name's Audrey. I'm from Boston. I know that you
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: still to run tomorrow, but I was wondering what's been
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: your favorite marathon throughout this project and why.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Audrey wants to know what Slane's favorite marathon has been
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: from Project Eclipse.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: The one thus far, I think tomorrow is probably gonna
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: be my favorite, but just projecting that, but thus far,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: it's actually one that surprised me because I was basically
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: the race director of it. It was the virtual Tokyo
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: in Portland. I had very low expectations just because there
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: was gonna be it's not a real race a lot.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: There was no you know, typical enthusiasm of crowds and
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: other runners. It was basically just myself and my family
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: and my team of people supporting me out on this
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: island called Savvi Island outside of the city of Portland,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: where there's pumpkin patches and farms and cows and it's
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: it's very beautiful and I've trained on it it, you know,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: for years now, and I just was like really tired
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: going into it, thinking, oh, I just don't have a
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: lot of energy and it won't be that fun just
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: because it's not a real race with other people. But
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: it was actually my favorite. I had so much fun.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: It was you know, Nike was great. They set up
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: the course for me. I got to pick out where
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I wanted to run it, how I wanted to run it,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: made my own bid, that said Jack's mom. I got
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: my own playlist of music. I even had one of
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: my athletes hop in for a good chunk towards the end,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Courtney Ferris, who's the Olympic silver medalist, you know, no
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: big deal, And yeah, we just and Jack was there
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: and it was just a blast, Like we had so
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: much fun putting it together and just dictating, you know,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: whenever I wanted to start was when we started. It
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: was very chill and relaxing. And I didn't I didn't
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: think I was going to enjoy it as much as
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: as I did.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: Two things to double click on from that response. The
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: first thing is like referencing Courtney as being Olympic silver medallist,
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: So it's like there's two Olympic silver medalists just out
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: for a run, and of course that's unsanctioned.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't get.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Anything locked off. So there's cars going by.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: Does anyone realize what's happening as they drive by you?
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Well, we had Yeah, I have the cutest Nike team.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: You know. One of one of the guys had like
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: one of those you know, reflector vests, and he would
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: hop out of his car and he'd act like he
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: knew what he was doing, like directing traffic, and so
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: that was really cute. We even had like like tent
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: porta potties. Like it wasn't a real porta potty. It
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: was like I don't, I don't even know, like a bucket,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: but it had like a tent over it, and like
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: we had even that we had a fire pit. I
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: mean it was It was very cool.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: And you mentioned a DIY playlist. Oh yeah, can we
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: talk about the playlist?
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Kate, I think contributed so to Colleen. It
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: was like a conglomerate of you know, everyone's taste of music.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Even my dad had a few songs in there.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I think my favorite one is American Woman by Lenny Kravitz.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: That was my favorite on there.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: So well, goes to update my marathon playlist before tomorrow.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, next question, hands up? Yes right here.
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: Hi, I'm Fabriana. I'm from Missouri or I've lived in
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: New York for about eight years now. I love your
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: post race champagne and fries ritual. I was wondering if
• 59:22
  Speaker 7: you have a favorite pre race dinner the night before
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: and or like pre race ritual that's not nutrition related.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: Fabriana wants to know about your pre race dinner or
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: tradition situations.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, in general for marathons, you stick with like
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: tried and true. Unfortunately you don't not want to be
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: experimenting very much. So like I've been eating very boring
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: these last few days just because I'm trying to just
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: stick with safe foods, and it is rice, chicken and
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: sweet potatoes I go to ritual. I am very much
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: like an organized person. So the night before I my
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: bag is already packed. I've literally got the kit ready
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: to go. I don't want to have to think. I
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: want to go on automatic pilot the next morning and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: not be scrambling. So my pre race ritual is like
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: early to bed, maybe a nice bat if I need it,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: and just being like very organized all even like right out,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: like at what time I should take a sip of coffee,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Like It'll be that detailed if I need it to be.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: But I'll work back from like gun time all the
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: way from when I wake up and I list out
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: everything I'm going to need to do and what time
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: buses all that, so that, yeah, I'm not like stressed
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: before I get to the start line. I don't want
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: to like run a race before I run my race.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of like my my thing to get
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: centered and organized.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: And when you're traveling, are you staying in hotels? Are
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: you staying places where you'd be able to make your
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: own food?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: No, we have just been having to like do a
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: lot of research and scramble to just try to find
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: the right foods. But I have been packing a lot
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: of Superhero muffins and the race date oatmeal that transports
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: really well. The dinner situation, obviously they need a little
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: more fresh. Not going to be taking that all over
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: the world with me, But yeah, a lot of like
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: our breakfast stuff is what I've been snacking on and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: taking with me because it's really easy to like transfer
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: and port.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: Yep, another audience question, I see one over here on
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: the left.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Hi.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 8: I'm Jen I'm from North to Boston as well, grew
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 8: up in Hamilton, love it, just up the street from Marblehead.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 8: But my question for you is can you just run
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: us through what the logistics were like in terms of
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 8: thing from Chicago to Boston, because I feel like you
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 8: must have really had to hustle, and I've kind of
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 8: always imagined what that plane, that flight must have been
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 8: like for all the other athletes that were doing Chicago Boston.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: Can you just walk us through what those forty eight
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: hours were like for you?
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Jen wants to know.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Jen, Yeah, Jen wants to know what it was like
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: getting quickly from Chicago to Boston.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the quicker I finished in Chicago is like easier
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: and you know, pad time to get everything manipulated. But yeah,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: we picked out a pretty tight schedule to make sure
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: I got into Boston so that I had like a
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: little time to decompress, get you know, get some food,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: and get some you know, like a light massage with
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: my pt who's been traveling. So that allowed me to
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to be getting in at like eleven
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: PM and then having to get up at like four am.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: It was a really tight turnaround. So I think the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: thing is we as soon as I finished, I think
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: we took Yeah, we took like a cart, like a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know whatever, what is it called golf cart?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Took a golf cart right from the finish line to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: the hotel, ran in, rinsed off real quick, didn't even
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: wash my hair, rinsed off. A car was waiting on
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: the backside the hotel because all the streets were like
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: shut down, so to try to get to where we
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: need to go to get to the airport, that was
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: like strategically placed the van and then we all piled
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: in everyone that was with me. In fact, my friend
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: who was gonna be running with me in Boss and
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: he works for Nike and was an old teammate of mine.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: He was there. So we got everyone on the van,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: loaded up Nike and some of my support team already
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: had like food, we had smoothies in there. Just chugging
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: and trying to get like refueled and rehydrated as quick
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: as possible. So yeah, the van ride was just consumption
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: of food and beverages as much as possible. Got to
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: the airport, and I think we actually had some like
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: a luxurious amount of time. It wasn't like super stressful,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: just because everything was so organized and detailed, and ate
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: some more food in the airport, got on the plane,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: took a nap, got off, went straight to the hotel
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: as soon as we got in, more food, more drinks,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: and I had a massage and some work done with
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: my pt Colleen, ice bath and then to bed and
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: then was maybe like seven hours later, maybe six hours later,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: back up again to do it all over. So, yeah,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: it was smooth. It could have, you know, could have
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: easily have been really stressful, but I think because we
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: planned everything out so well, it was it wasn't that bad.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: So the answer to your question is Shlaine flew commercial.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: She didn't have a private job. Yeah, to go to Boston.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: I'll take another audience question.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 9: Hi, I'm Sarah. I'm from California, and my question. You've
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 9: talked about your nutrition, your rest, your recovery to get
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 9: you through the last forty one days. What's kept you
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 9: in the mental game from day one all the way
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 9: through tomorrow. If you've had mental hurdles, mental struggles, you know,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 9: is it visualization, is it recognition of your you know past?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: What is it that keeps you in the mental game.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: Sarah is a hurdler who won a spot to come
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: here and hang out with you today, but she wants
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: to know about what keeps you in the game mentally.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: Here right now, after forty one days and twenty ten hours.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: For me right now is like I'm having fun doing
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: what I'm doing, so like there's not an element of fun.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Like I like to describe running now is like I'm
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: gonna go play running. It shouldn't it shouldn't feel like
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: you like you have to do it. I know it
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: sounds weird because it's like it's an individual thing, but
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: it should feel like you're playing to a degree, there
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: should be an element of fun in running, and so
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: like I try to assess, like, well, what seems fun
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: for my running today and on different days, like certain
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: things seem more fun than others. So I don't know
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: this To me, this challenge seem fun. I didn't realize
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: how much I was gonna have, like how much joy
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: it was gonna bring me. I was like, ah, that
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: that could be really cool. And but yeah, so I
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: like to try to phrase it in my head like
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go play running today. So you know, for me,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: getting new challenges is what keeps me in the game.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Right now, I think having variety, doing doing things on
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: the roads. But you know, my next thing that I
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: think I want to do is doing some more stuff
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: on the trails, Like, I live in a beautiful part
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: of the country in Oregon, and there's incredible access to trails,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: and so just doing more more girlfriend type trips and
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: involving trails, to me, that seems fun and that's what
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: keeps me intrigued in the In the game.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: We've the last couple of questions have focused on mental
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: health for someone who's like just so in their head,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: whether maybe it's like maybe it's before you know, a
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  Speaker 4: regular run, or maybe it's before a marathon and they're
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  Speaker 4: psyching themselves out, they're freaking out. What is it that
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  Speaker 4: you say to yourself when maybe that kind of creeps
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  Speaker 4: into your ecosystem.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I try to look at as like I don't have
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  Speaker 1: to do this, Like I get to do this, Like
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  Speaker 1: it's just all about like rephrasing it, like I don't
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  Speaker 1: have to go run tomorrow, but I get to like
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  Speaker 1: that's a privilege, Like I stand on the start line
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  Speaker 1: and there should be a deep sense of gratitude and
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  Speaker 1: like this is a privilege to be able to do this,
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  Speaker 1: Like not everyone can do this, Like and especially coming
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  Speaker 1: from a time where I thought like I wouldn't really
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  Speaker 1: be able to run. It's like even more so, like
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  Speaker 1: the gratitude is tremendous. So if you're like too much
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  Speaker 1: inside your head, like you got to be thinking about like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: this is a privilege. I bet you. There's so many
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: people that you could list out that would wish they
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  Speaker 1: were me right now. So like that should just give
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  Speaker 1: you a good sense of like gratitude and excitement for
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  Speaker 1: what you're about to do.
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  Speaker 4: Hands raised in the audience for who would like to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: be Shalaine for a day? Yeah, Okay, that's what I
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: had a hunch. The way that I end the show
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  Speaker 4: every time is asking my guests about how they would
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  Speaker 4: perhaps offer themselves a piece of advice looking back on
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: a hurdle moment in their journey. For you, you talked
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: about the difficulty that came hand in hand with the
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: beginning of the pandemic, the surgeries, the emotional toll it.
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  Speaker 2: Took on you.
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  Speaker 4: What piece of advice would you Slaine right now? November sixth,
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. I had to think about the date
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  Speaker 4: for a second. Give to Slaine at that time during
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  Speaker 4: that hurdle moment, looking back on it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just not take anything for granted and really like
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  Speaker 1: be in the moment. Like a lot of people have
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  Speaker 1: been asking, like, what are you going to do next?
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. I'm living in the moment.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely just appreciating what you're doing at this moment. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: I think we're so going oriented past what we're doing.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, let's give it up for Slaine. This was
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  Speaker 3: absolutely amazing. Thanks everyone, really appreciate you coming here to
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  Speaker 3: join us today. A huge thank you to Inside Tracker
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  Speaker 3: for hosting us. I couldn't be more grateful. I had
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  Speaker 3: to put.
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  Speaker 4: Like take off my fangirl moment to like have this
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  Speaker 4: here with you today, but I'm gonna put it back
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  Speaker 4: on for tomorrow because I feel like it's gonna help
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  Speaker 4: me on my way. But thanks to everyone for coming,
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  Speaker 4: and thanks to Shlaine for all of your wisdom.
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  Speaker 2: We appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Emily, thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.