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Second Chances with Jess Girod · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: This is an.
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Speaker 3: Interview we've been waiting for. Why you asked, well, because
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Speaker 3: she's one of our favorites. We in a free agency draft,
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Speaker 3: Ashley and myself would have drafted her first to be
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Speaker 3: in Paradise.
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Speaker 4: Oh wow, thanks guys.
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Speaker 3: And then yeah, she became very sought after in Paradise,
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Speaker 3: even if she knew it or not. Jess, Welcome to
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Speaker 3: the Almost Famis podcast.
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Speaker 4: Hi guys, thanks for having me. Hi.
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Speaker 5: Of course, we love having you. And I'd have to
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Speaker 5: say that you probably were the most sought after woman.
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Speaker 5: I don't think there was one guy there that wasn't like, Yeah,
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Speaker 5: I'd like to get to know Jess better.
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Speaker 4: Thanks. Yeah, I don't know. It was definitely an interesting
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Speaker 4: new environment, but I'm glad that I went and everyone
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Speaker 4: was very nice.
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Speaker 2: So they were very nice to you.
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Speaker 3: Let's be honest, like you had to walk out of
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Speaker 3: there with no matter what, at least your confidence being
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Speaker 3: built a little bit, right, Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I mean yes, and no, I mean I think just
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Speaker 4: like as I get older, you know, that's something I'm
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Speaker 4: working on. But I'm glad in general I walked out
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Speaker 4: of their no like burnt bridges or anything, and just
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Speaker 4: you know, stay out a lot of the drama. Kept
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Speaker 4: to myself, just continue to work on myself. The best
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Speaker 4: thing that you can really like learn from now and
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Speaker 4: take from that based.
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Speaker 3: On what she has said, we just got to start
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Speaker 3: this thing out with what we committed to doing yesterday.
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Speaker 6: Okay, but I was going to make it more subtle.
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Speaker 3: Well, no, I don't think there's any settlements. Oh Okay,
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Speaker 3: yesterday we had an interview with Tanner. It was a
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Speaker 3: great interview and he just mentioned kind of actually kind
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Speaker 3: of clarify the adjectives I'm going to use here. He
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Speaker 3: just mentioned he was saddened, disappointed that he didn't get
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Speaker 3: a better first impression with you, that he would really
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Speaker 3: have liked the second chance with you, that he is
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Speaker 3: still open to a chance with you. And then we asked,
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Speaker 3: can we tell Jess this and try to make this
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Speaker 3: happen or at least bring it to her attention, and
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Speaker 3: he said, yes, you can.
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Speaker 6: She looks genuinely happy.
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Speaker 2: I think, I.
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Speaker 4: Mean, that's really I think that's really sweet. He's really
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Speaker 4: really nice guy. I'm like, you know, although like I
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Speaker 4: think my time at Paradise was it maybe the most
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Speaker 4: fun I've ever had in my life. It was he
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Speaker 4: was a good person to end the experience with. He
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Speaker 4: was so nice to me and so understanding. I think
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Speaker 4: it would have been horrible if, like the situation was different,
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Speaker 4: someone arose and they like hated me for changing my
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Speaker 4: mind the next day, like, he was so kind to
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Speaker 4: me about that, So I'm.
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Speaker 6: Glad that, Yeah he was. He was like, let's get
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Speaker 6: out of here.
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Speaker 5: Then, you know, Okay, well, let's go back in time
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Speaker 5: and change what he wishes he could have, and that
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Speaker 5: is ask you out on a date, you know, up
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Speaker 5: with you that first week instead of cat. Do you
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Speaker 5: see your experience and Paradise going any differently?
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Speaker 4: I mean I think regardless, that would make the experience
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Speaker 4: different just because it's something that didn't happen. But I
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Speaker 4: mean I did at that point. It was so early on.
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Speaker 4: I think it was like day three or you know,
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Speaker 4: it was really early. So I would have gone on at
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Speaker 4: the he was someone that I was interested in meeting,
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Speaker 4: but I don't. I can't really get on like in
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Speaker 4: terms of who I would have ended up. I think
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Speaker 4: no matter what, I was mentally there alone to be honest,
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Speaker 4: So I don't. I don't think it would have changed
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Speaker 4: a lot.
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Speaker 3: The conversation with Tanner yesterday really just showed us, Jess,
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Speaker 3: what I think everybody on that beach was feeling is
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Speaker 3: that you were somebody who a lot of people wanted
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Speaker 3: to get to know because you carried yourself well. But
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Speaker 3: you had just mentioned a few minutes ago that this
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Speaker 3: wasn't the most fun experience for you, and I think
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Speaker 3: the show did that. Did your storyline a little bit
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Speaker 3: of an injustice, if that's true, because it looked like
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Speaker 3: you were having a great time outside of obviously, you know,
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Speaker 3: some just disconnection between you and Blake. But after that,
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Speaker 3: you know, there was literally a line of dudes standing
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Speaker 3: there being like, hey, well you're singing.
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Speaker 6: That she's having fun.
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Speaker 2: That's why my question is I I just look.
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Speaker 5: Actually relatively missed me most of the time. You're always
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Speaker 5: in your head.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's my question for you is what was
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Speaker 3: not fun about being in Paradise for you?
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Speaker 4: Okay? Yeah, so you know, I think for me, I
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Speaker 4: did not go into Paradise prepared at all. I didn't
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Speaker 4: think about what it would be like if the guy
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Speaker 4: like took my best friend on a date or if
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Speaker 4: I wasn't sure if the guy was with was my
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Speaker 4: most like compatible person, Like I just didn't prepare it
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Speaker 4: at all, and I handled it exactly how I would
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Speaker 4: outside of the show, like cameras off, like I am
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Speaker 4: someone that takes time and I'm very logical and I'm
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Speaker 4: very reasonable in the relationship. I think my number one
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Speaker 4: thing on Paradise that I wish I did differently was
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Speaker 4: just have more fun. I'm like, for me, it was like,
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Speaker 4: I don't want to leave here and figure it out
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Speaker 4: if we're gonna work or not, Like I want to
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Speaker 4: figure out then and there. And so I think my
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Speaker 4: biggest thing that if I were to change anything, even
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Speaker 4: though I was being myself, So I don't really know
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Speaker 4: if I would change it, but maybe just have more
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Speaker 4: fun and not need yes to know black and white
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Speaker 4: answers and just enjoy the time and figure it out
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Speaker 4: as I went instead of figuring it out right then there.
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Speaker 5: I feel like we're very similar in this way. I
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Speaker 5: feel like there's probably no chance that you were going
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Speaker 5: to have fun in that environment.
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Speaker 6: I too, No, I mean like you can't help not
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Speaker 6: taking it seriously, is what I mean. Like, you can.
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Speaker 5: Definitely have fun in the environment. I definitely did, but
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Speaker 5: you can't not take it seriously.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 5: It's just like there's some people out there that just
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Speaker 5: like love's too important. Yeah, okay, but does This is
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Speaker 5: one thing that I was so confused about looking at
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Speaker 5: your journey and almost like every week you would say
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Speaker 5: something like why me, why is this going wrong? Everything's
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Speaker 5: going wrong around me? And I was like, why does
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Speaker 5: she think everything's going wrong? The only thing that's going
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Speaker 5: wrong is she doesn't know whether or not she likes
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Speaker 5: Blake enough.
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Speaker 4: Yeah right?
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Speaker 6: Am I right?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I mean it definitely was frustrating even watching
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Speaker 4: myself back, you know, and I'm sure you guys both understand,
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Speaker 4: like you learn a lot watching yourself back, You learn
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Speaker 4: a lot even the second that you leave and reflecting
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Speaker 4: in that moment, you know, it was just a course
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Speaker 4: of events, Like the guy was really interested in took
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Speaker 4: my best friend on a date. There was never really
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Speaker 4: a time for me to explore that. I also didn't
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Speaker 4: really want.
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Speaker 5: To didn't make that a big deal either. They didn't
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Speaker 5: make it seem like you were really into him. Well
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Speaker 5: there was like a blip.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, can I hal that our conversations about
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Speaker 4: it very maturely, like it wasn't I can't be upset that,
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Speaker 4: like that was his choice, Like you know, there's only
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Speaker 4: so much I could actually be frustrated about. And then,
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Speaker 4: you know, I thought Blake and I were always on
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Speaker 4: the same page, like every answer that I every question
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Speaker 4: that I was asked, every answer I gave, I thought
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Speaker 4: he would say the same thing. And so when things
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Speaker 4: started switching and I was caught off guard, it was
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Speaker 4: just I was so overwhelmed because I was like, I
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Speaker 4: just feel like this, like what is going on? And
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Speaker 4: so yeah, no, I think I played a victim mindset
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Speaker 4: a bit, but it was more so just like I
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Speaker 4: thought I was going to be in love a lot quicker,
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Speaker 4: like I thought first day, second day, I'd be like,
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Speaker 4: oh this, I'm leaving with him for sure. And there
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Speaker 4: was never a time where I genuinely thought that without
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Speaker 4: a like a butt or what if in the back
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Speaker 4: of my mind.
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Speaker 3: So there was like, was there ever a moment where
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Speaker 3: you thought that Blake could be the person that you
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Speaker 3: would leave the beach with? Or was that always a
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Speaker 3: little doubt?
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Speaker 4: I think, Well, you know, I'm a firm belief I mean,
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Speaker 4: I hope. I'm holding on to the day that I
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Speaker 4: meet my husband, like there won't be a doubt. So
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Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, I knew that there was
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Speaker 4: a lot of things that Blake and I had to
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Speaker 4: figure out outside of there, and that made me really anxious,
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Speaker 4: like the fact that he lives in Canada, the fact
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Speaker 4: that he's always traveling and I'm just starting my career.
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Speaker 4: I can't take that much PTO. Like that's where my
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Speaker 4: brain goes. I'm like, how do I like is there?
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Speaker 4: Like do I take my laptop to Africa? Like it
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Speaker 4: doesn't Like I just was thinking all these things, and
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Speaker 4: I was like, I don't want to leave here in
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Speaker 4: a relationship for not to work out, and I have
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Speaker 4: to deal with that and I get my hopes up.
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Speaker 4: And so I wasn't romanticizing it because I wanted it.
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Speaker 4: I didn't want. I wanted to be real with myself,
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Speaker 4: but to a fault though, because I feel like if
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Speaker 4: I was a little bit more loose, maybe it could
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Speaker 4: have been different. But I think I was just protecting myself.
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Speaker 4: I don't I'm still trying to figure that out.
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Speaker 3: I don't know my advice recently for any new bachelor
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Speaker 3: or bachelorette when I talked to him, because it used
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Speaker 3: to be different. It's changed for me over the last
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Speaker 3: few years as I look back on that experience, and
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Speaker 3: it really is like, hey, try to enjoy it, Like
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Speaker 3: if you can find those moments to enjoy, loosen up,
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Speaker 3: like you're gonna feel like everything is out to get you,
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Speaker 3: You're gonna hold so tight to your words and your
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Speaker 3: actions and just like nobody's trying to ruin you. You
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Speaker 3: can only kind of do that yourself and just try
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Speaker 3: to have fun with it. Because I didn't I have
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Speaker 3: fun with it now looking back, I was not having
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Speaker 3: fun when I was in it, and so I get
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Speaker 3: that too, that this is a really stressful environment most
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Speaker 3: of the time to try to be human, And.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 5: Can you tell us about your first few moments with Blake,
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Speaker 5: you know, your first day or two and initially like
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Speaker 5: discovering each other's personalities, because I don't think we got
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Speaker 5: to see enough of that because I think, like on paper,
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Speaker 5: Bet and I didn't put the two of you together
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Speaker 5: just knowing what we knew from previous seasons.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, definitely. So I remember day one, I was
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Speaker 4: the last girl to get there, so it's pretty late
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Speaker 4: in the day. Blake and I had a conversation at night.
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Speaker 4: He was the last conversation I had. I think I
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Speaker 4: talked to maybe Sean talked to me one time, and
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Speaker 4: then it was Blake. They were I only.
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Speaker 6: Talked to you know, Sean wanted to talk to you.
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Speaker 4: I think those were the only two guys I'd talked
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Speaker 4: to that night, if my memory serves me correctly. But
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Speaker 4: so Blake and I, it was just I was so
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Speaker 4: overwhelmed I got there Lee, everyone was like already spent
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Speaker 4: the whole day talking everybody. I felt very behind, Like
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Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I believe I'm going home. My
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Speaker 4: guess like I don't. Everyone's kind of locked in. And
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Speaker 4: so I saw Blake. I never thought that he'd be
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Speaker 4: interested too. I got a hint that he might be,
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Speaker 4: so I was like, okay, So I like pulled him aside,
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Speaker 4: and I shake when I get nervous, I get a
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Speaker 4: little like shaky in my little thing, even if like
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Speaker 4: an interview, like for a job, I shake. So he
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Speaker 4: It was the first time in my whole bachelor experience
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Speaker 4: I shaked every time with Zach. It was the first
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Speaker 4: time that I didn't shake with someone with a.
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Speaker 6: Guy, not all that's just the most adorable thing I've
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Speaker 6: ever heard.
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Speaker 4: So I take signs very seriously. So I was like,
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Speaker 4: I think I told him too, or no, I mean
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Speaker 4: I didn't. But I remember running back to the girls
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Speaker 4: and I was like, I didn't shake, and they were
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Speaker 4: like freaking out because they knew about that. And so
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Speaker 4: I think from then on, like there was just a
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Speaker 4: comfort with Blake. We were very just like goofy and
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Speaker 4: it was very just chill nothing. I didn't feel pressure
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Speaker 4: to like lead a conversation. I felt okay sitting in
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Speaker 4: silence with him. It just was comfortable.
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Speaker 3: I think Blake like there is there's a maturity there
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Speaker 3: that does make this really shit make more sense. I
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Speaker 3: do agree there was some like obvious things that this
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Speaker 3: it would have been really hard to make this thing work.
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Speaker 3: But for a while during the season, it did feel
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Speaker 3: like you two might be that one couple that surprises
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Speaker 3: us and ends up together at d N. How big
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Speaker 3: of a factor did Katie showing up to the beach
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Speaker 3: play in kind of the split or the disconnecting relationship.
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Speaker 4: So, to be honest, that played out very differently than
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Speaker 4: my experience on the.
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Speaker 6: Show, Oh tell us everything.
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Speaker 4: So when she came down. Prior to her coming down,
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Speaker 4: we had a conversation about past relationships. Of course I
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Speaker 4: had an idea of who Blake was, but I never
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Speaker 4: watched that season. I didn't know the extent of it,
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Speaker 4: and so he walked me through that and it like
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Speaker 4: jogged a memory. Of course I've heard about it, but
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Speaker 4: I just didn't really know, and so we kind of
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Speaker 4: walked through that relationship and I was under the impression
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Speaker 4: that with what he was telling me that they it
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Speaker 4: was just like there would be no connection again, There're
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Speaker 4: no like it wouldn't rekindle. They have things that they
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Speaker 4: had to like talk about. There was no closure, but
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Speaker 4: there was no like they wouldn't rekindle. So when she
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Speaker 4: came down, for my emotions, of course it didn't really
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Speaker 4: air this way, but my emotions were just of course,
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Speaker 4: I was like, you know, a little bit freaking out.
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Speaker 4: No one wants to see the guy that you're with,
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Speaker 4: Specs Beyonce come down. But it was more of like
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Speaker 4: I felt for both of them. That's like, it's so
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Speaker 4: hard to see your ex. They have a lot to
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Speaker 4: talk about, and you know, I was like okay, without happening.
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Speaker 4: There was no point where I was thinking that he
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Speaker 4: was going to end things and go after her from
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Speaker 4: what I from the perception of the conversation, the conversation
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Speaker 4: that we had, so that roast ceremony night just wasn't
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Speaker 4: a good night for me. Then air every roast, but
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Speaker 4: the roasts were pretty pretty brutal for everyone, and so
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Speaker 4: we just had a really off night that night and
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Speaker 4: the next day at the roast ceremony, when he ended it,
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Speaker 4: I thought it was more so just like I don't know,
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Speaker 4: I just I think my perception is a little bit different.
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Speaker 4: I didn't really realize it was like the KD factor
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Speaker 4: into it.
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Speaker 5: Well, our perception is not that he wanted to go
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Speaker 5: after her though well yeah, yeah, okay.
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Speaker 4: No, And I didn't mean it like that, but like
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Speaker 4: I think for me, like a lot of like because
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Speaker 4: he talked about how what I mean is like he
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Speaker 4: talked about like he knew what love was and that
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Speaker 4: wasn't it, and like I didn't really like I don't know,
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Speaker 4: I guess because I was so so much in the moment,
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Speaker 4: like I didn't really process that that's what it was.
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Speaker 4: And so when he left, it was like, I was
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Speaker 4: kind of overwhelmed cause I was like, we're confused. I
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Speaker 4: was like, we had time to figure it out and
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Speaker 4: I didn't understand and then watching it back and like,
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Speaker 4: oh that's because yeah, okay, gotcha.
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Speaker 3: Met Yeah the Yeah, I mean I think that whole roast.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the roast has been something that we were
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Speaker 3: very confused because you already have typically in life, we
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Speaker 3: can assume that most people have insecurities. They probably most
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Speaker 3: people have felt lonely, and most people that are on
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Speaker 3: that beach or on this show, because they're human, doesn't
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Speaker 3: like to be put down. That roast just seemed very
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Speaker 3: odd to us, and it didn't feel like it was
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Speaker 3: going to go anywhere good. It could only cause chaos
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Speaker 3: and something bad to happen. So yeah, I can understand
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Speaker 3: why you said that was a tough night for everybody,
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Speaker 3: because that's just a weird thing to put people into.
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Speaker 4: A lot of feelings were hurt. Wasn't a fun night.
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Speaker 3: You might be able to clarify something for us, Jess.
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Speaker 3: This is a question that fans have asked that no
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Speaker 3: other contestant has been able to answer yet. And I
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Speaker 3: feel like you're going to be our best shot at this.
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Speaker 3: As Blake left after ending relationship, Kylie was the one
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Speaker 3: that ran after him, surprised all of us. We had
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Speaker 3: never seen him talk during the whole season, and yet
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Speaker 3: this feels like all of a sudden they were going
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Speaker 3: to make out going into the van, but obviously they didn't.
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Speaker 3: But we never really understood what was going on there.
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Speaker 3: Were they really good friends? Had they were they talking
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Speaker 3: a lot?
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Speaker 4: Like? What?
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Speaker 2: Could you give us a context for why she ran au?
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Speaker 4: Blake and I would always hang out with the girls together.
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Speaker 4: He was very close to he was He was just
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Speaker 4: very close to a lot of people. Him and Kylie
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Speaker 4: would go to him a lot for advice about her
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Speaker 4: and Avan's relationship. And there was never a time on
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Speaker 4: that beach where I was uncomfortable by it or felt
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Speaker 4: off by it. I think watching that, definitely I could
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Speaker 4: see how people were confused by it. But they did
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Speaker 4: have a good friendship and I knew about that. I
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Speaker 4: knew about their conversation from both of both ends, So
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Speaker 4: for me, I didn't really see anything that I just
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Speaker 4: I think if everyone got to see their friendship more,
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Speaker 4: it wouldn't have been as confusing. So I think it's
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Speaker 4: just because it's like, all of a sudden, it's Kylie
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Speaker 4: and Blake. Where did that come from? Like, you don't,
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Speaker 4: we don't really see a lot of friends, So I
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Speaker 4: think that's where it gets weird. But in terms of
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Speaker 4: I never thought or and I don't and I still
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Speaker 4: don't think that there's anything going on there.
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Speaker 6: Oh okay, that was my follow up. So now they're
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Speaker 6: both single? Still nothing? No, okay.
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Speaker 5: Now, if Katie weren't to have come down those stairs,
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Speaker 5: do you guys think you would have made it another week?
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Speaker 5: You just said that you thought you needed another figure
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Speaker 5: it out conversation just from what we saw. I feel
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Speaker 5: like you guys are probably having to figure it out
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Speaker 5: too often.
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Speaker 6: What do you think?
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Speaker 4: I remember going into that night wanting to do something
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Speaker 4: fun with him and like romantic with him. We hadn't
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Speaker 4: done anything really that romantic yet, so I was trying to,
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Speaker 4: you know, step up a little bit. And I knew
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Speaker 4: that I was probably the reason that there was some
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Speaker 4: dance to let me like come step up. And so
17:47
Speaker 4: when he pulled me you saw me, I was like
17:49
Speaker 4: very confused. I was like, you're scaring me, Like I
17:51
Speaker 4: just didn't see that coming at all. But I think
17:54
Speaker 4: regardless of Katie coming down, you know, we did that switch,
17:57
Speaker 4: and I think he probably would have still pulled back
18:00
Speaker 4: at some point, I'm assuming, but I just think we
18:04
Speaker 4: were never on the same page.
18:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, this I mean, and I understand that, and that's
18:09
Speaker 3: fair that the season didn't tell or finish some storylines.
18:14
Speaker 3: And I think one of the ways that we saw
18:16
Speaker 3: you doing the switch or you staying open as obviously
18:20
Speaker 3: Blake going on a day and then you kissing Tyler
18:23
Speaker 3: that never really got resolved. It was just kind of
18:25
Speaker 3: a scene and then it kind of sat out there,
18:27
Speaker 3: like what was this end? Doesn't mean anything? Did it
18:31
Speaker 3: mean anything? Was it a surprise to you? Can you
18:35
Speaker 3: elaborate a little bit on that situation?
18:37
Speaker 4: Jen came down and took Blake on a date. I
18:40
Speaker 4: didn't expect that happening at all. I didn't think he
18:42
Speaker 4: would say yes, not that he couldn't, and not that
18:44
Speaker 4: he I would never tell him not to. I just
18:47
Speaker 4: the night before we had a conversation where he pretty
18:49
Speaker 4: much that he was all in. So I just didn't
18:51
Speaker 4: think that he would go on a date. And so
18:53
Speaker 4: when that happened, to be honest, I think it just
18:56
Speaker 4: had a switch in my head of like what am
18:58
Speaker 4: I doing? And when we had a private conversation, he
19:02
Speaker 4: was like, I'm going on this date and I want
19:04
Speaker 4: you to figure you're out here and like, you know,
19:09
Speaker 4: figured out. So I took that time to as much
19:13
Speaker 4: as I was like felt guilty and didn't really want
19:15
Speaker 4: to do it because I was like, not that I want, dude.
19:17
Speaker 4: I was just like I felt guilty. The guy just
19:19
Speaker 4: was like, this feels weird. But I was like, well,
19:20
Speaker 4: Blake's on a date making out a jed, so I
19:23
Speaker 4: should probably take this time to talk to the connections
19:25
Speaker 4: that I've been wanting to talk to. And when Tyler
19:28
Speaker 4: and I talked, even though it was a great conversation,
19:31
Speaker 4: we both just it's just we had a lot going
19:34
Speaker 4: on with with he a lot with Mercedes, and I
19:36
Speaker 4: had a lot with Blake, So we just kind of
19:39
Speaker 4: agreed on going separate ways. Everyone knew about it. It
19:42
Speaker 4: wasn't this like hidden thing. I talked to Blake, I
19:44
Speaker 4: talked to Mercedes, Tyler talked to Mercedes. I think because
19:47
Speaker 4: it was handled very well. I mean, I'm assuming it
19:50
Speaker 4: was handled pretty decently that there was no drama to air.
19:55
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think It was one of those things
19:57
Speaker 4: where it was like I finally saw like Blake left
20:01
Speaker 4: for a day, he wasn't there. It felt like what
20:03
Speaker 4: it was like for him not to be there, and
20:04
Speaker 4: I kissed another guy and it just wasn't really a
20:06
Speaker 4: good feeling.
20:08
Speaker 5: I felt like Blake like begrudgingly, like, I think he
20:12
Speaker 5: would have gone on the date if you had shown
20:15
Speaker 5: no like hesitation about him.
20:17
Speaker 6: What do you think about that?
20:20
Speaker 4: I think so too. I think he Yeah, I think.
20:23
Speaker 5: I thought he almost did you a favor because he
20:25
Speaker 5: was like, I'm just going to get out of your
20:26
Speaker 5: hair for a day.
20:27
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think in his perspective he was doing that
20:30
Speaker 4: to like leave and give me space. At the time,
20:34
Speaker 4: I wasn't understanding that because I was like, that's taking
20:37
Speaker 4: away from Jen being able to make a connection. So
20:39
Speaker 4: I think at the time on Paradise, I was like, oh, well,
20:43
Speaker 4: he's actually wanting to explore gen because he did say
20:45
Speaker 4: to me when he told me it was nice to
20:46
Speaker 4: feel wanted. So he left me the page telling me
20:50
Speaker 4: that he was pretty much trying it out, so like, yes,
20:53
Speaker 4: he was doing me a favor, but he also was
20:54
Speaker 4: doing that for him too.
20:56
Speaker 2: Have you talked to him.
20:57
Speaker 4: Since, Yes, we're good friends. Like we're like on goad
21:01
Speaker 4: terms nothing no issues or anything like.
21:04
Speaker 5: You text sometimes or you DM sometimes, or like you
21:07
Speaker 5: face time sometimes.
21:10
Speaker 4: Just you know, communicate however you communicate with the front.
21:16
Speaker 6: Have you seen him in person? Since no, liar not lying.
21:25
Speaker 4: No, we're very good. We're very good friends. I signed
21:29
Speaker 4: up for hard questions, not these cluestion. No.
21:37
Speaker 3: Uh, you know it is it is fun. I wouldn't
21:40
Speaker 3: be surprised if you saw each other. You could have
21:41
Speaker 3: said yes, because it feels like Blake has done a
21:44
Speaker 3: great job but kind of rallying a lot of people
21:47
Speaker 3: from Paradise together to do the stuff he loves and
21:51
Speaker 3: that other people love doing. You know, we see uh
21:56
Speaker 3: snapshots and social media often with other contestants. In fact,
22:00
Speaker 3: I had to ask if Rachel and Blake were dating,
22:02
Speaker 3: and somebody said, no, they're just friends. So maybe he's
22:05
Speaker 3: just really good at being friends with all these really
22:07
Speaker 3: pretty girls from Paradise.
22:10
Speaker 2: I don't know.
22:12
Speaker 3: Just when you went down to the beach, was Blake
22:15
Speaker 3: the person that was top on your list or who
22:17
Speaker 3: was top?
22:18
Speaker 4: No? I did not think I would be on Blake's list,
22:21
Speaker 4: so I didn't even think about that. I hate to
22:25
Speaker 4: say list, but I was just mainly interested in getting
22:27
Speaker 4: to know Tanner and Tyler. But ultimately you can say that,
22:32
Speaker 4: but it's a matter of who wants to explore you too.
22:34
Speaker 4: So I went into it not being too hard on
22:37
Speaker 4: the list because it's just a matter of like the
22:40
Speaker 4: you know, it's mutual and compatibility and all that.
22:43
Speaker 5: We talked about your friendship with Kat, Like we love
22:46
Speaker 5: Kat as a reality star.
22:48
Speaker 6: She's amazing.
22:49
Speaker 5: Uh, you guys seem like an incompatible friend couple though,
22:52
Speaker 5: Like you are so just sweet and wholesome.
22:56
Speaker 6: And she is.
22:58
Speaker 5: Loud in your face and intense, So like, tell us
23:03
Speaker 5: about how you guys click.
23:05
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we became close on Bachelor because we had
23:10
Speaker 4: a conversation that we're both from Florida and we actually
23:12
Speaker 4: had some mutual friends. She went to a college near
23:15
Speaker 4: my hometown and so it was just like a very
23:18
Speaker 4: like a familiar face almost like it felt like home
23:21
Speaker 4: a little bit. And so we just got close through
23:24
Speaker 4: then and we're very very different. But also she has
23:27
Speaker 4: a good heart, and I think it's, yeah, it's unfortunate
23:30
Speaker 4: that you know, she does bring such good TV and
23:33
Speaker 4: I think that that was very leaned into because she,
23:36
Speaker 4: I mean, she was one of the people that carried
23:38
Speaker 4: the season with with how good a TV she is.
23:41
Speaker 4: But he has more to offer to her than what
23:43
Speaker 4: we're just seeing, and she's someone what I love about
23:46
Speaker 4: her is she is very willing to grow and listen
23:50
Speaker 4: to different perspectives. And she helps me grow too, and
23:54
Speaker 4: other in different ways that I didn't know that I
23:56
Speaker 4: needed help in. So it's just it's a lot of
24:01
Speaker 4: learning and growing from each other.
24:03
Speaker 3: It always gets a little too much at times, but
24:05
Speaker 3: it was it was a tough season for Cat. I mean,
24:07
Speaker 3: she had a couple of weeks there where it felt
24:09
Speaker 3: like the stuff we were seeing was, yes, gonna be
24:14
Speaker 3: criticized and she was going to get you know, the
24:20
Speaker 3: the negative comments made about her. But as a friend
24:23
Speaker 3: who lived through this with her, what was that like
24:26
Speaker 3: watching that take you know, play out?
24:28
Speaker 4: Do you mean like watching it back or like being.
24:30
Speaker 3: There watching it back and then knowing how you know,
24:36
Speaker 3: she was obviously very hurt just by the public statements
24:40
Speaker 3: she made.
24:40
Speaker 4: No matter what is warranted or not. I think the
24:45
Speaker 4: hate that this franchise receives is just it's just insane
24:49
Speaker 4: and so blown out of proportion. I felt very bad
24:52
Speaker 4: for her because as a friend, it was very hard
24:54
Speaker 4: to see, even just like her own comments section on
24:58
Speaker 4: her social media page is like that is. It just
25:01
Speaker 4: was really heartbreaking because I don't think anyone deserves the
25:04
Speaker 4: level of hate that they get on an edited TV show.
25:08
Speaker 4: So I think the heart of the most hardest thing
25:11
Speaker 4: was to just see how hard it was for her.
25:16
Speaker 4: For what people didn't really understand was that she's human
25:19
Speaker 4: and she's watching this back with and reliving these hard moments,
25:22
Speaker 4: and on top of that, receiving so much hate from
25:24
Speaker 4: it that it's really bad her mental health. And I
25:27
Speaker 4: just that was like my my biggest concern with her
25:30
Speaker 4: all season was making sure she was okay and it.
25:33
Speaker 6: Was tough, and how is she doing now with the
25:35
Speaker 6: John Henry split.
25:38
Speaker 4: I'm excited for her to be able to, you know,
25:41
Speaker 4: share more about that, but I think all she can
25:43
Speaker 4: do right now is just focus on herself and heal.
25:47
Speaker 4: But she's a lot stronger than anyone could imagine, so
25:51
Speaker 4: I think she'll be okay.
25:52
Speaker 3: Well, to close out here, Jess, it really was fantastic.
25:58
Speaker 3: You know, you came on the podcast a while back
26:01
Speaker 3: and you left the podcast, and Ashley and I are
26:04
Speaker 3: like that girl, she's special, you know, she's She's a
26:07
Speaker 3: great person to have on this show, and obviously people
26:12
Speaker 3: we're seeing this on the beach as well. I feel like,
26:16
Speaker 3: if anything, you should walk away from this experience knowing
26:20
Speaker 3: that there was a lot of guys that still want
26:23
Speaker 3: to talk to you and that wanted to talk to
26:24
Speaker 3: you once Blake left the scene. Final question from me here,
26:32
Speaker 3: is there anything different that you wish you would have
26:35
Speaker 3: done in Paradise other than having more fun? Mostly I'm
26:39
Speaker 3: talking about in decisions there.
26:41
Speaker 4: I think for me, like I know I've seen or
26:45
Speaker 4: heard before that my lack of experience comes off as immaturity.
26:49
Speaker 4: But for me, like that is something that I take
26:52
Speaker 4: a lot of pride in that I don't just date
26:54
Speaker 4: around don't. I don't date a lot of people, And
26:58
Speaker 4: that's because when I meet my per and I'm excited
27:00
Speaker 4: to be like, well, I saved all of this about
27:02
Speaker 4: myself for you, and so I think for me, the
27:06
Speaker 4: only thing that I would do differently is maybe just
27:09
Speaker 4: I would have waited. I think there's ways to learn
27:12
Speaker 4: about what you're looking for and what you're wanting outside
27:14
Speaker 4: of just dating. A bunch of people. So that was
27:18
Speaker 4: the first time. That was the most dating that I
27:20
Speaker 4: have ever done on Paradise, and I didn't really do that.
27:24
Speaker 4: So I think the one thing I've done differently is
27:26
Speaker 4: to just go into it more confident in other ways
27:30
Speaker 4: than just having more experience.
27:31
Speaker 6: I get that, totally.
27:33
Speaker 3: Take it from somebody who's married to somebody who self
27:36
Speaker 3: admittedly did not have a lot of experience.
27:39
Speaker 2: She had a lot of one.
27:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, like first dates, but uh yeah, not a lot
27:44
Speaker 3: of second dates or third dates. And you know, there
27:48
Speaker 3: is there's there's a beauty in that, and there's an
27:51
Speaker 3: admiration I think too, where now that I've gotten to
27:55
Speaker 3: know more about my wife, there's just it was and
28:00
Speaker 3: always easy. But she she's a tough girl, and she
28:02
Speaker 3: did she cares deeply about the decision she's making and so.
28:07
Speaker 2: Be proud of that.
28:08
Speaker 3: And uh, one day, who knows, somebody may slide into
28:12
Speaker 3: your DMS and.
28:13
Speaker 2: You could get getting married three years later.
28:15
Speaker 3: I guess I do have one low a cress and
28:16
Speaker 3: has anybody from the Bachelor of franchise slid into your
28:19
Speaker 3: DM since.
28:19
Speaker 6: This show, no one that any celebrities let's go to I.
28:26
Speaker 4: Know I don't know.
28:27
Speaker 2: I don't know, because yes, gracious.
28:32
Speaker 4: I do not. I don't think I come off as
28:35
Speaker 4: someone that would probably openly respond to. So I feel
28:39
Speaker 4: like I feel like that's the reason why it may
28:42
Speaker 4: not happen very frequently, because I don't normally. Yeah, I
28:46
Speaker 4: don't really, Yeah, I don't know. I'm not much of
28:49
Speaker 4: like a I don't know. I like to keep to
28:52
Speaker 4: myself and if I'm single, I like to really lean
28:55
Speaker 4: into that, and I like things to happen organically. So
28:59
Speaker 4: I think in terms of world, I am taking a
29:01
Speaker 4: break from from bochelor boys. I'm just learning to love
29:05
Speaker 4: myself right now, focus on my job, my career, moving
29:08
Speaker 4: all that before I answered in DMS. But if it's
29:12
Speaker 4: like a really hot guy out there that's listening, he'll
29:15
Speaker 4: try give me the option to open it or not
29:18
Speaker 4: open it.
29:19
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I met my wife through a DM,
29:22
Speaker 3: so like, don't say no to everybody, because there could
29:26
Speaker 3: be somebody that all of a sudden, you go on
29:27
Speaker 3: your first day and I guess this is it.
29:28
Speaker 2: We're over.
29:29
Speaker 4: I'm not against it. I like the option of it
29:31
Speaker 4: being there, but I may not take it.
29:33
Speaker 5: So we'll see Ben's also not the kind of guy
29:35
Speaker 5: that you would think is going to go and slide
29:37
Speaker 5: into DMS, so like that's who you should.
29:40
Speaker 6: Be looking out for, right, I agree?
29:42
Speaker 4: I agree.
29:43
Speaker 2: Okay, the weirdos who never go on social media, but
29:46
Speaker 2: when they do they have.
30:00
Speaker 5: My last question for you is are you truly shocked
30:03
Speaker 5: at any of these breakups?
30:05
Speaker 4: I think the only emotion I have is just I
30:09
Speaker 4: feel so sad because a lot of them, we're very
30:12
Speaker 4: excited to share their relationships, so it's just really sad
30:16
Speaker 4: to be friends with everyone and see that that didn't
30:20
Speaker 4: come into fruition. So I can't imagine being in their position.
30:23
Speaker 4: So it's just sad.
30:26
Speaker 6: Oh wait, wait, I'm sorry. We just keep thinking about things.
30:29
Speaker 2: Just as kind of like she's really good.
30:31
Speaker 3: This is like a congressional hearing where like we asked
30:34
Speaker 3: the tough question, She's like, huh, yeah, what's the thing
30:37
Speaker 3: I can say here that makes sense?
30:39
Speaker 4: Well, I've had a lot of interview prep for jobs,
30:43
Speaker 4: so I have I'm very good at.
30:46
Speaker 6: She's very good.
30:47
Speaker 5: We said at the top of the show, you know
30:48
Speaker 5: we're gonna have hard questions, and she goes, I like
30:51
Speaker 5: hard questions. Well, now we know, because she could beat
30:53
Speaker 5: around the bullsh around them.
30:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, I feel like we should just be
30:57
Speaker 2: like is it a yes or no?
30:58
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, I'm not good. Yes, there's no questions.
31:01
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, But like I saw you on FaceTime with Kylie.
31:04
Speaker 5: There was like that FaceTime with you and Kylie And
31:07
Speaker 5: was it Cat or was it Mercedes?
31:09
Speaker 6: I don't know. I forget who was with the like.
31:11
Speaker 4: New like thing or those fireworks and stuff.
31:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys like posted that you guys were on
31:17
Speaker 5: a FaceTime excited that you didn't have to go on
31:19
Speaker 5: reality TV again.
31:20
Speaker 4: That was pre breakup.
31:22
Speaker 5: Oh so it was screenshot from weeks days earlier.
31:26
Speaker 4: Pre breakup. I think we were just we were excited
31:30
Speaker 4: regardless about the breakup. It was just us being excited
31:32
Speaker 4: for the point of it was no more trolls. We
31:34
Speaker 4: were like, no more trolls, Like we're done, like we
31:38
Speaker 4: can live in sunshine and rainbows and no more mean people.
31:42
Speaker 4: That was like what we were doing.
31:43
Speaker 6: I can't believe there's still mean people talking to you guys.
31:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just block. I don't even I'm like a bye, yeah.
31:50
Speaker 5: But then they get a little vindicated from the block
31:52
Speaker 5: that it's like, oh I got to her.
31:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess, but my mental health is more important
31:57
Speaker 4: than like.
31:57
Speaker 3: Real yeah mart statement, Yeah yeah, she's taken the wise route.
32:04
Speaker 3: She's taking the wise route by just saying you don't
32:06
Speaker 3: need to be a part of my life. Then, Jess,
32:08
Speaker 3: it's great to have you on here. You showed well.
32:11
Speaker 3: We hope to see you back on television, but I
32:14
Speaker 3: also hope that maybe you meet somebody before that opportunity
32:18
Speaker 3: comes about again for you. So but it was a
32:22
Speaker 3: pleasure watching this season as our first pick in the
32:26
Speaker 3: Bachelor in Paradise fantasy draft that never existed did well
32:30
Speaker 3: for You're so sweet.
32:33
Speaker 6: Please give me media training.
32:35
Speaker 4: Bye, my gosh.
32:38
Speaker 3: This has been another episode of the Almost Fumous podcast.
32:41
Speaker 3: Of course, we had what I would say, I mean,
32:43
Speaker 3: I think social media responded to it as well. Probably
32:47
Speaker 3: the star, maybe not the most watched person this season,
32:52
Speaker 3: but definitely the one that gathered the biggest following and
32:55
Speaker 3: had a lot of support coming off of the season
32:56
Speaker 3: of Bachelor in Paradise es with us today. Another great
33:00
Speaker 3: week for the A Listener's podcast. So until next time,
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