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Credlin | 28 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show. He's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredlin. Sobering words from the man credited with
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Speaker 2: developing Australia's modern defense policy, who says we are woefully
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Speaker 2: underprepared for war. As Beijing saber rattling over Taiwan gets
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Speaker 2: louder and the Prime Minister well, he gets ready to
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Speaker 2: roll out the red carpet for a visit.
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Speaker 3: From the Chinese premier.
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Speaker 2: A huge blow up reveal today is Liberal Senator Michaulia
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Speaker 2: Cash says she was forced to walk out of her
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Speaker 2: meeting with counterpart Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss. It was all
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Speaker 2: over Labour's religious freedom legislation. I'll get you an update
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Speaker 2: on that in a moment. Lass having spent years as
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Speaker 2: the ABC's political editor, I'll get Chris Jeorman's take on
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Speaker 2: Laura Tingle's claim that Australia is a racist country and
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Speaker 2: a very partisan attack on Peter Dupton and unable to
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Speaker 2: hie as he's done for weeks or weeks and weeks
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Speaker 2: to the Parliament. Today in battle Minister Andrew Giles facing
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Speaker 2: questions as to why violent foreign criminals have been allowed
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Speaker 2: to stay in Australia under his direction.
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Speaker 3: Well, his response was just to blame everyone else.
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Speaker 4: What we have here are decisions of an independent tribunal
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Speaker 4: to overturn the cancelation. It was a decision of the
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Speaker 4: aat an independent tribunal. These were decisions made by an
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Speaker 4: independent tribunal.
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Speaker 2: Life We'll stay with that issue because the gulf between
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Speaker 2: Labor and the Coalition when it comes to immigration and
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Speaker 2: border protection is becoming clearer.
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Speaker 3: By the day.
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Speaker 2: The former government, the Coalition saw that foreigners had no
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Speaker 2: right to live in Australia, especially foreigners who had committed
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Speaker 2: violent crimes. Instead, sending criminals back to their home country
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Speaker 2: was something Labour used to demonize Peter Dutton for when
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Speaker 2: he was the minister who signed off the deportations, but
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Speaker 2: that in sway Dutton he kept it up even when
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Speaker 2: he got death threats from Bikis and others and had
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Speaker 2: to be given.
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Speaker 3: Around the clock police protection.
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Speaker 2: Well, our Labor's in power the government has changed and
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Speaker 2: with it the treatment of foreign criminals. Under Anthony Albertisi,
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Speaker 2: there's clearly a view across his government that anyone.
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Speaker 3: Who is here should stay here.
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Speaker 2: Regardless of any crimes they commit, murder, rape, the violent
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Speaker 2: bashing of our elderly, the sexual abuse of Australian children.
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Speaker 2: And I mean across his government, because it's not just
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Speaker 2: Immigration Minister who's got this view. The Attorney General Mark
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Speaker 2: Dreyfus will he's clearly backing Giles in so to the
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Speaker 2: Senior Portfolio Minister Clara O'Neill. Now as incompetent as Giles is,
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Speaker 2: the fact that he stays in that portfolio, backed in
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Speaker 2: by the Prime Minister, demonstrates that his hard left activism
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Speaker 2: is all done on Albanese's say so.
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Speaker 3: Today, in question.
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Speaker 2: Time, the Opposition hammered the minister overs now notorious Ministerial
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Speaker 2: Direction number ninety nine that foreign criminals with a strong
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Speaker 2: connection to Australia should not have their visas canceled.
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Speaker 5: My question is to the Minister for Immigration.
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Speaker 3: My question is to the Minister for Immigration.
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Speaker 6: Questions to the Minister for Immigration.
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Speaker 7: My questions to the Minister for Immigration.
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Speaker 3: My question is to the Minister for Immigration.
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Speaker 2: Over and nova, Giles was little more than a deer
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Speaker 2: in the headlines today, mouthing the words about wanting to
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Speaker 2: keep the community safe but failing as he has failed
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Speaker 2: from day one to do little more than high behind
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Speaker 2: his notes and shift the blame onto his department, the tribunal,
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Speaker 2: anyone but him, and just listen to the sort of
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Speaker 2: foreign criminals he's allowing to stay in Australia. Men who
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Speaker 2: have had their visas canceled, but because of his ministerial direction,
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Speaker 2: are been allowed to remain. Abdul Wahim Trad, a forty
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Speaker 2: five year old Lebanese citizen who has escaped deportation despite.
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Speaker 3: Raping a thirteen year old girl. He's allowed to stay
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Speaker 3: under labour.
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Speaker 2: Another person identified only ASHC Why, whose crimes include the
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Speaker 2: indecent assault of children, including the rape of his stepdaughter
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Speaker 2: while her mum was in a hospital giving birth.
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Speaker 5: An immigration detainer referred to as HC. Why had his
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Speaker 5: visa canceled through was convicted of raping his fourteen year
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Speaker 5: old stepdaughter whilst his wife was in hospital giving birth.
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Speaker 3: He's allowed to stay, isn't he?
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Speaker 2: He's allowed to stay in Australia under labor Another one
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Speaker 2: person z Jfq, an Afghan citizen who raped a sixteen
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Speaker 2: year old girl and a fourteen year old girl in
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Speaker 2: the course of a six month period. In twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: and who even the tribunal found was a moderate to
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Speaker 2: high risk of committing further sexual offenses.
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Speaker 8: An Afghan national referred to as z JFQ had his
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Speaker 8: visa canceled after being convicted of both raping a s
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Speaker 8: sixteen year old girl and intercourse with a disabled fourteen
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Speaker 8: year old child.
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Speaker 3: He's another one. He is allowed to stay in Australia
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Speaker 3: under labor. What about the Kenyan.
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Speaker 2: Born man zed LFM who raped the teenage sister of
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Speaker 2: his partner and also robbed a service station, threatening a
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Speaker 2: female attendant with a meat cleaver.
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Speaker 7: Kenyan national known as xl FM had his visa canceled
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Speaker 7: after he was convicted of raping the seventeen year old
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Speaker 7: sister of the mother of his infant child and then
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Speaker 7: robbing a petrol station with a meat cleaver.
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Speaker 3: Thanks to Giles.
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Speaker 2: Thanks to Labor, he's allowed to stay in Australia again,
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Speaker 2: all because of the legal Direction number ninety nine from
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Speaker 2: the Minister Andrew Giles. Person g JNS seventy six convictions
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Speaker 2: over twenty two years, including armed assault with the intent
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Speaker 2: to rob, He's allowed to stay under labor. Person KQHR,
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Speaker 2: convicted of more than one hundred and fifty offenses over
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Speaker 2: forty years, including multiple counts of armed robbery. He's another
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Speaker 2: one allowed to stay here under labor person bnbp again
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Speaker 2: multiple counts of aggravated armed robbery. He's only here because
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Speaker 2: of labor. In one case, reports The Australian and the
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Speaker 2: Tribunal found that a criminal could not be deported because
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Speaker 2: the lack of availability in his own country of personal
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Speaker 2: healthcare for a person with HIV. So on that basis,
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Speaker 2: he stays here in Australia and our taxpayers pick up
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Speaker 2: his medical bills.
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Speaker 3: Now, seriously, I could.
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Speaker 2: Run through cases and cases here tonight from a horrific
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Speaker 2: list of examples, dozens and dozens of rapists, drug traffickers, pedophiles,
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Speaker 2: repeat perpetrators of domestic violence, of them having avoided deportation
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Speaker 2: because of labor, because of Andrew Giles and his ministerial direction,
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Speaker 2: because of a weak Prime minister who, let's be Frank,
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Speaker 2: doesn't have the guts to sack this shocking excuse for
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Speaker 2: a minister because he's a factional mate. And yet despite
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Speaker 2: the fueral today over the impact of his ministerial direction,
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Speaker 2: Giles has made no move to change it.
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Speaker 3: With the stroke of a pen.
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Speaker 2: Giles could remove rescind this direction. No legislations needed, there's
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Speaker 2: no vote in the Parliament. He could do it in
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Speaker 2: his office tonight.
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Speaker 3: But he refuses to act.
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Speaker 2: Instead, these foreign criminals get his sympathy and the Australian
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Speaker 2: community cops his scorn. Now, if Charles won't act, refuses
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Speaker 2: to act to keep Australian safe, then the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: must act to keep us safe from his minister. Giles
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Speaker 2: has to go. Only the Prime Minister can sack him.
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Speaker 2: The longer he stays in the job, the more it
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Speaker 2: says about the Prime Minister's preference to protect a mate
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Speaker 2: over the women and children of this country. As I
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Speaker 2: said that the House resumed today, the certainly was question
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Speaker 2: time and legislation and all of that. The Senator is
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Speaker 2: sitting as estimates over the next two weeks we'll get
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Speaker 2: the headlines now. Skynis's political reporter Olivia Caaiseley.
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Speaker 9: The government's handling of non citizens who commit crimes is
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Speaker 9: back in the spotlight after it was revealed nearly a
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Speaker 9: fifth of ex detainees released under last year's High Court
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Speaker 9: decision have been charged with state offenses. The revelation has
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Speaker 9: raised further questions after the government conceded last month it
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Speaker 9: was powerless to intervene in state justice systems following a
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Speaker 9: former detainee's alleged involvement in a violent bashing in Perth.
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Speaker 9: It comes as the Coalition has vowed to repeal Andrew
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Speaker 9: Giles's so called Direction ninety nine ministerial advice that is
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Speaker 9: allowed convicted non citizens to stay in Australia for reasons
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Speaker 9: including strong ties to the country.
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Speaker 6: A through was.
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Speaker 5: Convicted of raping his fourteen year old step daughter. The
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Speaker 5: Albanesi Labor government's watering down of the law has allowed
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Speaker 5: this criminal to stay in Australia.
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Speaker 4: It's a decision that should still be canceled and I
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Speaker 4: advised the House also that I have prioritized a number
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Speaker 4: of cases for urgent cancelation consideration.
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Speaker 9: The Immigration Minister says he wants a number of visa
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Speaker 9: cases urgently reviewed, as he laid blame at the feet
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Speaker 9: of his department. Cabinet Minister Ed Husick has broken ranks
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Speaker 9: to call on the government to lower company taxes. The
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Speaker 9: Industry Minister argues, now wages are moving again, it would
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Speaker 9: be an easier political sell ed Husick floated two options,
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Speaker 9: reducing the headline rate from thirty percent or introducing an
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Speaker 9: economy wide investment allowance.
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Speaker 10: Either through corporate tax reform or the way in which
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Speaker 10: we provide investment allowances for the uptick in manufacturing capital.
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Speaker 10: That is something long term I think does need to
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Speaker 10: be considered.
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Speaker 9: In Opposition Labour Opposed Coalition attempts to reduce business taxes.
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Speaker 9: There's a fresh parliamentary push to compel big tech companies
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Speaker 9: to remove content that may promote eating disorders among young people.
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Speaker 11: Got more than one point one million people currently within
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Speaker 11: eating disorder and hundreds of thousands of people being diagnosed
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Speaker 11: every year. A lot of this increase is being driven
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Speaker 11: by social media.
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Speaker 9: Around table, including Independent MPs oy Daniel and representatives from
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Speaker 9: the Butterfly Foundation, say platforms are failing their duty of care.
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Speaker 9: They want the Online Safety Act modified to make it
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Speaker 9: easier to report dangerous body image content such as extreme
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Speaker 9: before and after photos, food related trends, and so called fitspiration.
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Speaker 12: We know how harmful social media can be to people
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Speaker 12: who have eating disorders.
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Speaker 9: Proposed changes include allowing users to opt out of harmful
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Speaker 9: content or reset their algorithms. Aboud on beauty filters for
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Speaker 9: those under eighteen and a legal requirement to feature people
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Speaker 9: with diverse physical appearances.
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Speaker 2: That's a fair bit to get through. Let's bring in
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Speaker 2: our political editor at Sky News, Andrew Clenell. Let's start
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Speaker 2: if we can with a bit of an exclusive that
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Speaker 2: you have this afternoon, this meeting between Mikaylia Cash and
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Speaker 2: Mark Drapers. Of course the Attorney in General Cash walking out.
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Speaker 2: Now she's got to fixed skin, Andrew, I've said it
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Speaker 2: in operation, behind the scenes, so it's got to be
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Speaker 2: tough to walk out of the room.
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Speaker 3: What's the latest.
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Speaker 6: Well, they can't even agree on what happened.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this shows what chance the Religious Freedom Bill
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Speaker 1: has of getting up. It was a discussion about that
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Speaker 1: between the shadow Attorney General McKay cash and the Attorney
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Speaker 1: General Mark Dreyfus, and they both accuse each other of
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Speaker 1: shouting at each other. McKay cash says he put his
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Speaker 1: hand up in front of her and said pause, pause,
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Speaker 1: and shouted at her. He denies shouting Mark Dreyfus. Then
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Speaker 1: she just walked out. She said, release this draft religious
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Speaker 1: freedom bill to the public. Let's have a look at it.
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Speaker 1: Stop keeping its secret and look that thing's never going
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Speaker 1: to pass. Judging by the meeting today, the relationship between
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Speaker 1: those two has completely broken down and it's a more
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Speaker 1: representative I guess of how things are going between the
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Speaker 1: Government and opposition at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was tied up an estimates tonight and I've
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Speaker 2: reached out to mcaleia cash. Hopefully I'll get her on
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Speaker 2: the show tomorrow night to find out exactly what happened
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Speaker 2: behind closed doors. Let's go the real feature of question
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Speaker 2: Time today. Certainly for the opposition, the issues are the
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Speaker 2: foreign criminals. This detainee Ministerial direction number ninety nine from
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Speaker 2: Andrew Giles, case after case after case. I've run through
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Speaker 2: them again tonight at the top of the show. This
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Speaker 2: is the Parliamentary fortnight. Andrew that the government should be
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Speaker 2: out there selling their budget. I mean they need to
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Speaker 2: get a.
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Speaker 3: Lift in the polls.
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Speaker 2: They need to move off the thirty two to thirty
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Speaker 2: three number they are currently on.
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Speaker 3: But they're not getting much clear air.
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Speaker 6: No they're not.
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Speaker 1: And Peter Dutton's decided that law and order and security
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Speaker 1: unusually is second or third in terms of the issues
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Speaker 1: federal issues people are looking at. So he's going down
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Speaker 1: this path. He could equally look at social media or
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Speaker 1: domestic violence or any of these issues that people are
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Speaker 1: concerned about. They're certainly concerned about migration and housing, and
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Speaker 1: of course no one likes to see criminals let loose,
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Speaker 1: particularly when it seems a consequence of a government decision.
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Speaker 1: When Peter Dutt works so hard as Minister to deport criminals.
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Speaker 6: Even if they had no association with New Zealand.
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Speaker 1: So it looks like this order which the aat the
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Speaker 1: tribeing always acting on and releasing these people or reversing
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Speaker 1: the visa cancelations, was the result of a deal between
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Speaker 1: the New Zealand Prime Minister or form prime minister and
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Speaker 1: our Prime minister, and that's what's fueled the trouble. Now
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Speaker 1: for the government, they probably do well to reverse that decision.
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Speaker 1: They may offend New Zealand in the process, but they're
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Speaker 1: only going to, I guess, continue to bleed politically over
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Speaker 1: this issue. Having said that, I do believe that issues
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Speaker 1: like domestic violence after the incident in Perth, and the
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Speaker 1: migration issue generally and of course cost of living are
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Speaker 1: bigger issues for people than the migration detainer issue. But
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Speaker 1: it does allow Dart to say the PM's week is
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Speaker 1: not acting, and they say that he has an incompetent
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Speaker 1: minister and Andrew Giles. I'd be surprised if Giles doesn't
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Speaker 1: take the fall over the midwinter break and isn't moved
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Speaker 1: out of immigration, then you can have a minister with
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Speaker 1: a fresh start. It's interesting, though all the reporting is
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Speaker 1: technically I'm sure that's the case that Giles issued this order.
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Speaker 1: Did he do so because the PM had done a
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Speaker 1: deal in New Zealand? Did the PM have a say
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Speaker 1: in that? In which case you can't just blame Giles,
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Speaker 1: can you. He effectively becomes the full guy. I think
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Speaker 1: that's kind of an important question.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's why it's still there in all this, That's
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Speaker 3: why I'm still there. I had a look at the dates.
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Speaker 2: The ministery or Direction number ninety nine was made on
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Speaker 2: the twenty third of January twenty twenty three. Jsindra adun
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Speaker 2: formally submitted her resignation to the Governor General on the
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Speaker 2: twenty fifth of January, so two days later. So it
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Speaker 2: looks to me that she'd had the deal with our
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, as she waited until that direction had been formalized.
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Speaker 2: In Goes her resignation. She'd announced a little bit earlier,
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Speaker 2: but she'd formalized with the Governor General two days after
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Speaker 2: she got what she wanted out of Australia, so she
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Speaker 2: could leave feeling like that issue that had dogged her
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Speaker 2: had been resolved in a way.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's why the Prime.
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Speaker 2: Minister has not sacked Giles, because on every measure, even
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Speaker 2: labor people I'm talking to currently in the Parliament, even
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Speaker 2: those outside the Parliament say he's got to go right.
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Speaker 2: He's making the Prime Minister look impotent. He cannot survive.
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Speaker 2: They're dogged in this area where they don't have much
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Speaker 2: strength politically anyway. People are not feeling safe. I mean,
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Speaker 2: the government's words on domestics violence are cheap imagery, like
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Speaker 2: we saw there in Perth of an elderly woman being
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Speaker 2: bashed up by one of these allegedly bashed up by
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Speaker 2: one of these detainees. So the problem the government's got though,
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Speaker 2: if this is proven to go all the way back
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Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister, if he instructed, either directly or
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Speaker 2: with a brief, that this ought to be made, this
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Speaker 2: ministerial direction be made, then you know he's up to
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Speaker 2: his eyeballs in it.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and they're not really going to him at the moment.
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Speaker 1: I assume that comes. But there's plenty of fertile ground
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Speaker 1: for Peter Dutt. I mean, he could go on the
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Speaker 1: migration issue more generally, he could go on cost of living.
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Speaker 1: He could take up the domestic violence poll and accuse
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Speaker 1: the government of not doing so and help his stocks
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Speaker 1: then with women voters. I think that's a real option
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Speaker 1: that he needs to look at. That's what I'd be
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Speaker 1: looking to do if I was him. So we've had
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Speaker 1: a day of jiles. Do we really need eight days
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Speaker 1: of it. I'm not convinced that we do. I think
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Speaker 1: he's I think he's for the high jump. I think
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Speaker 1: he'll go to another portfolio if it is as you say,
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Speaker 1: and he's kind of the full guy as I just said,
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Speaker 1: he would probably get his choice of junior portfolio to
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Speaker 1: move to, and he might even be relieved to get
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Speaker 1: out of this poisoned chalice portfolio that it's turning into
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Speaker 1: for the government.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I Tella, when you got your foot on the throat
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Speaker 2: though of Europa, and I like to keep it there.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that i'd move off this issue tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: I'd try and add some other things into the line
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Speaker 2: of attacking question time. But I think you know, Peter
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Speaker 2: Dunne Alman easy makes a lot of his history growing
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Speaker 2: up in a house and commission and that's as much
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Speaker 2: credit to his mum as it is credit to him,
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Speaker 2: and he was raised there, but she did the heavy lifting.
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Speaker 2: In the case of Peter Dutton, he has a long
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Speaker 2: history as a uniform copper, then later as a detective
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Speaker 2: working in sexual crimes area etc. I don't think he
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Speaker 2: makes enough of that.
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Speaker 1: Andrew No, And this is my point with the whole
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Speaker 1: domestic violence issue. I think it's time the oppersition grab
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Speaker 1: that issue and run with it. There is an opportunity there,
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Speaker 1: I feel, and I think the focus of Australia is
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Speaker 1: on this after this horrible incident in Perth.
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Speaker 6: I really do.
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Speaker 1: And you know, the federal governments like to get involved
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Speaker 1: more and more at state issues, it seems to me,
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Speaker 1: so why not on this one as well. I mean
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Speaker 1: Albanez he had his own announcement with Amanda Rishworth. You
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Speaker 1: know that there's questions about that that really sort of
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Speaker 1: rolls out permanently next July. Even though they say you
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Speaker 1: can get the assistance now there's more that can be done,
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Speaker 1: it seems to me, and he needs a few issues
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Speaker 1: like that. Peter Dutt. He's done the migration thing that
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Speaker 1: will be popular. He's talking about nuclear because of his background.
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Speaker 1: As you say, I think domestic violence is one he
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Speaker 1: could campaign on it.
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Speaker 6: It's an unsolvable problem. We know that. I hate to
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Speaker 6: say that or admit that.
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Speaker 1: Maybe people will say I'm too pessimistic, but you can
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Speaker 1: do things to save lives in that space. And if
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Speaker 1: you're about lives in government, which I think Peter Dutton
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Speaker 1: would be as well, run on it.
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Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on at your old paper, The Daily Telly?
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Speaker 2: They've copped a missive from the Chinese Consulate in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: The Telly accuses the consult of bulling Australian MPs who
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Speaker 2: attended a pro Taiwan event. There was a letter shot
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Speaker 2: off to MP's in timidry behavior. That's the allegation from
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Speaker 2: the Chinese Consulate in Sydney.
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Speaker 3: What do you reckon?
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Speaker 6: I think it's a good story.
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Speaker 1: I think it is interesting the diplomats trying to show
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Speaker 1: off ahead of their premier's visit here, which will be
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Speaker 1: around June seventeen. It was revealed this week Premier Lee
19:43
Speaker 1: will be here. He'll meet Albanesi in canber It's deliberately
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Speaker 1: not a sitting week, so he doesn't there's no question.
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Speaker 6: About him addressing Parliament.
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Speaker 1: These visits are strange because the Chinese come here and
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Speaker 1: there's no press conference, right, we saw that.
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Speaker 6: With the Chinese Foreign minister.
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Speaker 1: Every other dignitary you see a joint press conference.
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Speaker 6: I don't see that.
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Speaker 1: And then he's off to Perth for a Business Council event.
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Speaker 1: But I think it could be a case of the
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Speaker 1: diplomat sort of going, well, the boss would like this
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Speaker 1: before he arrives in Australia, US flexing and muscle. But
20:12
Speaker 1: it's very unwelcome intervention, let's face it. I mean, it's
20:15
Speaker 1: outrageous really writing the politicians because they go to a
20:18
Speaker 1: Taiwan event. I mean, once again, just like the press
20:22
Speaker 1: conference example, it shows the difference between the systems that
20:25
Speaker 1: we live in a free country and they ain't simple
20:28
Speaker 1: as that.
20:30
Speaker 2: Well, long, mate, continue, I'm not so sure, Andrew Clenell,
20:34
Speaker 2: thank you, all right, Let's go to the proposed pandemic
20:37
Speaker 2: treaty from the World Health Organization. I promised you would
20:40
Speaker 2: say across it, who has kicked off their annual meeting
20:42
Speaker 2: in Geneva. And while they still plan to look at
20:45
Speaker 2: ways to improve global readiness, they say for outbreaks like COVID,
20:49
Speaker 2: it appears plans for a treaty as such a being
20:52
Speaker 2: shelved after the negotiation stalls.
20:54
Speaker 6: More.
20:55
Speaker 3: Let's bring a lion on this.
20:56
Speaker 2: Issue, Liberal Senator Alex antik Ale, it's great to see
20:59
Speaker 2: you again.
21:01
Speaker 3: The direct in General of the World Health.
21:02
Speaker 2: Organization is insisting that despite of weak of negotiations and
21:06
Speaker 2: months and months of work, the failure to get this
21:10
Speaker 2: up isn't a failure at all.
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Speaker 13: How do you interpret that, Well, it's hard to know
21:16
Speaker 13: what's going on behind the scenes, Peter. But they came
21:19
Speaker 13: in with the intention of getting a pandemic treaty and
21:21
Speaker 13: amendments to the International Health Regulations three hundred of them.
21:23
Speaker 13: Bold agenda, particularly when you read the documents, and it
21:26
Speaker 13: hasn't transpired. So it's hard to read that any way
21:29
Speaker 13: other than a failure. I mean, I think our objections
21:32
Speaker 13: or my objections and the fourteen others or the thirteen
21:34
Speaker 13: others that signed the leader to the Prime Minister here
21:37
Speaker 13: was that Australia should withdraw from it because it gifted
21:40
Speaker 13: too much power to the World Health Organization and cast
21:43
Speaker 13: a specter on Australia's obligations to legislate domestically. But they
21:47
Speaker 13: weren't the reasons it seems this has fallen over. It
21:49
Speaker 13: seems to be from what we can see now that
21:52
Speaker 13: there were some countries that were worried about the transfer
21:54
Speaker 13: of technology and other administrative matters. So I think we
21:57
Speaker 13: have to say that this will go back to the
22:00
Speaker 13: drawing board. It appears the Director General has some confidence
22:03
Speaker 13: that the negotiations will continue and perhaps surface at a
22:05
Speaker 13: different World Health Assembly.
22:09
Speaker 3: So you're saying it could be resurrected.
22:13
Speaker 6: Well, look, it may well be.
22:14
Speaker 13: I mean, I think we have to understand that the
22:17
Speaker 13: path here was a power grap I mean, this was
22:19
Speaker 13: the World Health Organization World Health Assembly, an attempt to
22:22
Speaker 13: try to dictate terms to countries as to how they
22:25
Speaker 13: react to pandemics. They wanted to give the director the
22:28
Speaker 13: power to dictate when a pandemic emergency took place and
22:32
Speaker 13: what sort of products would be used in terms of
22:35
Speaker 13: the therapeutics and those sorts of things. So I think
22:37
Speaker 13: we will see this continue to bubble around it doesn't
22:40
Speaker 13: look like at this time round. But it's good news.
22:43
Speaker 13: I mean, ultimately this should have been hard work because
22:46
Speaker 13: it was a very bad proposal and let's hope I'm
22:48
Speaker 13: wrong about that and it disappears forever.
22:50
Speaker 7: And I.
22:53
Speaker 2: Noticed at the start of question time the Prime Minister
22:55
Speaker 2: said that Mark Bumer was away and someone else will
22:57
Speaker 2: take his questions for the week long gone days when
23:00
Speaker 2: you used to say to the Parliament exactly where the
23:02
Speaker 2: Minister was? Why he wasn't there in person? I presume
23:06
Speaker 2: he was over in Geneva. Do we know who was
23:08
Speaker 2: leading the Australian delegation? Do we have a read about
23:11
Speaker 2: where Australia was towards the end of this debate?
23:16
Speaker 13: Now I will look, we don't. I didn't have a
23:17
Speaker 13: response to that letter, of course from the Prime Minister
23:20
Speaker 13: a week or so ago, so we don't know anything
23:22
Speaker 13: about it.
23:22
Speaker 2: There.
23:23
Speaker 13: I assume that the Chief Medical Officer would be there
23:25
Speaker 13: as well. But now, look, there is no indication. The
23:28
Speaker 13: whole thing has been very very quiet, I have to say,
23:30
Speaker 13: and it'll be interesting to hear what the Health Minister
23:33
Speaker 13: has to say about it upon his return or once
23:36
Speaker 13: he's back in Parliament.
23:39
Speaker 3: All Right, I've got to go to some research out today.
23:42
Speaker 3: It's harrowing.
23:42
Speaker 2: Really, three one hundred million children, this is piranum are
23:47
Speaker 2: victims of online child sex abuse and exploitation. This is
23:51
Speaker 2: an outfit called the Childlight Global Child Safety Institute. It's
23:56
Speaker 2: the first time we've had truly international figures put together.
24:01
Speaker 2: They found around one in eight children worldwide have been
24:05
Speaker 2: victims of non consensual taking, sharing, exposure to sexual images
24:09
Speaker 2: and videos. How on earth do we tackle this?
24:14
Speaker 13: Yeah, look, it's their shocking numbers and three hundred million
24:17
Speaker 13: and one in eight are just mind blowing. I mean
24:20
Speaker 13: when I read that report, I simply just was staggered
24:23
Speaker 13: by those numbers. Look, I think this is a multi
24:26
Speaker 13: factor problem. Obviously, the online environment is one of them.
24:29
Speaker 13: What we don't want to see, of course, is you know,
24:31
Speaker 13: this being used as an excuse for other forms of
24:33
Speaker 13: online regulation, as we have seen. But what we do
24:37
Speaker 13: want to see, I think, is a broad based approach
24:39
Speaker 13: to this. I mean, this is not just simply a
24:41
Speaker 13: simple issue. This is about the proliferation of regulation online pornography,
24:45
Speaker 13: the mental health conditions and societal factors as well. I mean,
24:49
Speaker 13: this is just simply not normal behavior for people, and
24:53
Speaker 13: I think we have to tackle it on a range
24:54
Speaker 13: of different fronts. It cannot be an excuse for online censorship.
25:00
Speaker 2: I can concern too, Alex, the way we're sexualizing young kids.
25:04
Speaker 2: I mean, there's one thing to deal with. I guess
25:06
Speaker 2: the platform end what happens online. But you can see
25:11
Speaker 2: the conversations that are forced on primary schools and kids
25:13
Speaker 2: in childcare about transgender and you know there's twenty eight
25:17
Speaker 2: thirty two, fifty two, whatever the number is of genders
25:20
Speaker 2: in the world. Now, all this stuff, all this content
25:23
Speaker 2: thrown at young people. I think that's part of the problem,
25:26
Speaker 2: that they're sexualized way, way too young these days.
25:31
Speaker 13: Look one hundred percent agree. In fact, we saw a
25:34
Speaker 13: number of weeks ago the incident in South Australia at
25:36
Speaker 13: the Renmark high where children were allegedly exposed to contractors
25:42
Speaker 13: coming in and talking about all sorts of terrible things,
25:45
Speaker 13: highly sexualized, highly inappropriate for young people. And so this
25:49
Speaker 13: is now the status quoi. I mean, we have to
25:51
Speaker 13: look at what kids are being taught, these programs that
25:53
Speaker 13: come in, what they're learning, all facets of their life,
25:57
Speaker 13: but certainly the online environment from a broad based I
26:00
Speaker 13: mean we live in a world where mainstream news outlets
26:03
Speaker 13: are glorifying only fans as if it were actual female empowerment.
26:08
Speaker 13: You know, this is not the world I grew up in.
26:09
Speaker 13: I can tell you.
26:13
Speaker 3: My world either.
26:14
Speaker 2: Hey, I've mentioned before the top of the show it's
26:16
Speaker 2: estimates this week, estibus for two weeks actually goes into
26:19
Speaker 2: next week as well.
26:20
Speaker 3: What's your focus this week?
26:23
Speaker 13: Well, I'm sitting this week on the Legal and Constitutional
26:25
Speaker 13: Affairs Committee, which is motoring through the various departments and
26:29
Speaker 13: the Home Affairs portfolio at the moment, which is I mean,
26:32
Speaker 13: there are long days and there's a lot to get through,
26:34
Speaker 13: but I look to some of the other areas. We've
26:37
Speaker 13: got the Department of Health next week, We've got Environment
26:41
Speaker 13: and Comms where we always see the ABC turn up,
26:43
Speaker 13: and a number of others. So there will be a
26:45
Speaker 13: broad range of questions to be approached, and I've got
26:48
Speaker 13: a few tough questions for a few of our department heads.
26:51
Speaker 13: I can tell you that.
26:55
Speaker 3: Well, I give you a chip. I'd be looking for
26:57
Speaker 3: a link.
26:57
Speaker 2: It connections between Dern meeting with the Prime Minister, then
27:02
Speaker 2: leaving office and within a couple of days. You know
27:05
Speaker 2: she gets that direction, that Ministerial Direction number ninety nine
27:08
Speaker 2: January last year, and whether there was a paper trail
27:11
Speaker 2: that goes back to the pm or's office.
27:13
Speaker 3: I'll leave that with you.
27:14
Speaker 2: Senator, see it next time the red ask the break,
27:17
Speaker 2: get back into the ABC Chris Jelman, former ABC man.
27:22
Speaker 2: We'll get his take on the Board of Director Laura
27:24
Speaker 2: Tinkle's outbursts and Australia is racist and then her highly
27:27
Speaker 2: political attack on Peter Darton.
27:29
Speaker 3: Plus a bit later Liberal.
27:31
Speaker 2: James Patterson, he'll go back into Andrew Giles and all
27:35
Speaker 2: the detail out of today. Welcome back still the com
27:43
Speaker 2: Senator James Patterson and why the coalition will be pushing
27:46
Speaker 2: to cancel the visas as student protesters. This is the
27:49
Speaker 2: anti Semitic types who are not Australian citizens. But first,
27:54
Speaker 2: yet another sobering assessment today on our defense preparedness.
27:57
Speaker 3: Or lack thereof, from the man why.
28:00
Speaker 2: Regarded as the father of Australia's defense policy, saying that
28:03
Speaker 2: there's now a yawning gap between the potential threats we
28:07
Speaker 2: face as a nation and our readiness to launch any
28:10
Speaker 2: defense Professor Paul Dibbs said the key defect with this
28:14
Speaker 2: government's defense policy is the stark gap between the promises
28:19
Speaker 2: and the lack of action to change defense preparedness. Joining
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Speaker 2: me now to discuss this and more. Sky News contributor
28:26
Speaker 2: Chris Yellman, Well, like I said, I think Dibbs is
28:29
Speaker 2: regarded as one of the arctics of Australia's defense policy.
28:34
Speaker 2: He says that the actual size of the ADF is
28:37
Speaker 2: not much larger than when he wrote our last big
28:40
Speaker 2: major review in nineteen eighty six. We know a lot's
28:44
Speaker 2: changed since then, Chris, particularly with China, but Dip says
28:47
Speaker 2: we have failed to scale up, meaning we're not ready.
28:50
Speaker 2: He reckons to protect the country if needed. What do
28:53
Speaker 2: you make of his remarks.
28:56
Speaker 14: Well, he's reminding us that we should always watch what
28:59
Speaker 14: governments do, not listen to what they say, Peter, because
29:01
Speaker 14: there is, as he says, a yawning gap between the
29:04
Speaker 14: strategic threat which the government identifies, that is that we
29:07
Speaker 14: could be in a conflict within the next ten years,
29:10
Speaker 14: and what we're doing about it, which is that we
29:12
Speaker 14: won't have the capacity to fight within the next ten years,
29:16
Speaker 14: and that should disturb everyone. As he says, sixty thousand
29:19
Speaker 14: people in the ADF, about half the size of the
29:21
Speaker 14: mcg We'd run out of pilots before we run out
29:23
Speaker 14: of planes. We'd run out of sub mariners before we
29:25
Speaker 14: run out of submarines. So we have a real workforce
29:28
Speaker 14: problem within the ADF, But beyond that, we don't have
29:30
Speaker 14: the kit which we need to fight with. I will
29:33
Speaker 14: say this, however, that the defense gaps open up over
29:36
Speaker 14: long periods of time. And if you just look at
29:38
Speaker 14: the saga with the submarines, and you were there for
29:41
Speaker 14: some of this, we're supposed to get those submarines from
29:43
Speaker 14: Kevin rudstarts that we're going to have twelve submarines, and
29:46
Speaker 14: then Julia get cuts at the six, and then the
29:48
Speaker 14: subs are going to come from Japan under Tony Abbott,
29:50
Speaker 14: and then Malcolm Turnbull has a bromance with the Manual
29:53
Speaker 14: chron and they're going to come from France, and then
29:55
Speaker 14: they're going to be nuclear submarines which are coming apparently
29:57
Speaker 14: from the United States. Look, Peter, I am seriously concerned
30:01
Speaker 14: that I won't ever see one of those submarines tied
30:04
Speaker 14: up in Sydney Harbor in my lifetime. I think we
30:06
Speaker 14: should all be concerned about that.
30:10
Speaker 2: One of the reasons Abbott like the Japanese sub because
30:13
Speaker 2: we were looking for an off the shelf build. It
30:15
Speaker 2: was hostile to the defense bureaucracy wanting to sort of,
30:19
Speaker 2: you know, you build something in Australia, you know, more
30:22
Speaker 2: pork bowling for South Australia in particular.
30:25
Speaker 3: He wanted them in the water as soon as possible.
30:27
Speaker 2: We saw that report yesterday, Chris that we had about
30:29
Speaker 2: four or five regime we didn't have a sub to
30:34
Speaker 2: put to sea.
30:36
Speaker 14: Yes, and I think you've really put your finger on
30:38
Speaker 14: what's happening with defence policy. Too often is it's become
30:41
Speaker 14: industry policy and it's sprayed out around Australia. So if
30:45
Speaker 14: you really are serious, we do start need to start
30:48
Speaker 14: getting some things just off the shelf.
30:50
Speaker 6: It would be great if we could make them here
30:51
Speaker 6: in Australia.
30:52
Speaker 14: But something as sophisticated as a submarine, which is about
30:55
Speaker 14: as sophisticated as a rocket you would buy to the moon, Well,
30:58
Speaker 14: that's not something we have a skill set for here.
31:00
Speaker 6: If you want it quickly, it.
31:00
Speaker 14: Has to be built overseas, and maybe all of them
31:03
Speaker 14: have to be built overseas, and that's unfortunate. But if
31:05
Speaker 14: we're going to defend the nation, we need to do
31:07
Speaker 14: that before that, Peter, I think we need to essentially
31:09
Speaker 14: have area denial in around the coastland of Australia that
31:13
Speaker 14: we need to put do what China did when they
31:15
Speaker 14: were sailing aircraft carriers through the Taiwan straight when the
31:18
Speaker 14: Americans did that, the Chinese just put in area denial weapons.
31:21
Speaker 14: They turned the mainland of China into a giant, some
31:26
Speaker 14: giant base, and then they spread out and they turned
31:28
Speaker 14: islands in the South China Sea into a giant, unsinkable
31:31
Speaker 14: aircraft carrier.
31:35
Speaker 2: That requires a bit of will in Canberra, I've not
31:37
Speaker 2: yet seen that. We hear them talking tough about immigration Keta.
31:41
Speaker 2: That obviously is reducing the numbers of Chinese students and
31:43
Speaker 2: you know other students, but it is a lot of
31:45
Speaker 2: Chinese kids coming to study in Australia. I don't reckon
31:48
Speaker 2: they're going to take China on. We've got Premier Lee
31:51
Speaker 2: arriving here in the middle of June. Give me your
31:53
Speaker 2: odds you reckon. Albanez is going to get in the
31:55
Speaker 2: room behind closed doors and say, you know, I know
31:58
Speaker 2: you're cranky about our decision on China students, but you're
32:01
Speaker 2: going to have to wear it.
32:02
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
32:03
Speaker 6: Well.
32:04
Speaker 14: He should deal with the Chinese the way the Chinese
32:06
Speaker 14: would deal with us, and that is will decide who
32:08
Speaker 14: comes to Australia in the manner in which they come.
32:10
Speaker 14: You would not be telling the Chinese which students could
32:12
Speaker 14: go to China. You shouldn't be telling an Australian government
32:15
Speaker 14: what to do. But this is all par of the
32:17
Speaker 14: course when it comes to the relationship with the China. Essentially,
32:20
Speaker 14: the way that it works is that China tells us
32:22
Speaker 14: what it would like and we say yes, thank you
32:24
Speaker 14: very much, and if we don't, then China gets annoyed.
32:27
Speaker 14: I'd like to see the vice chancellor's taken on, Peter.
32:29
Speaker 14: Isn't the real issue in all of this that the
32:32
Speaker 14: universities have essentially built their business model around selling not
32:36
Speaker 14: degrees as much as permanent residency and citizenship to Australia.
32:40
Speaker 14: That the yalmen, Yeah, yeah, they have built their business
32:45
Speaker 14: on it, Peter. So that's the issue, and the vice
32:49
Speaker 14: chancellors should think if the students have been cut off
32:52
Speaker 14: in the past, they can be cut off again in
32:53
Speaker 14: the future. It would be in their interest to diversify.
32:56
Speaker 14: But they really don't want to.
33:01
Speaker 2: I have to say, you know, you look at the
33:02
Speaker 2: world rankings. I think our best university is just inside
33:05
Speaker 2: the top fifty. And so when we're competing with UK
33:09
Speaker 2: and particularly in the United States, who do not offer
33:12
Speaker 2: the residency route we do. The trump card is you
33:17
Speaker 2: can come here to Australia. You can bring your dependence,
33:20
Speaker 2: which they do. You can't do that in other countries.
33:22
Speaker 2: You can buy property in Australia for the length of
33:24
Speaker 2: the time you're hear and you just keep pushing out
33:26
Speaker 2: that visa and eventually you get to stay. That's what
33:30
Speaker 2: the universities are selling. And all the poor old Australians
33:32
Speaker 2: are mugs because we allow them to do it. We've
33:36
Speaker 2: got to stop that. Let's talk about the ABC. You
33:39
Speaker 2: were there a long time. We saw those comments from
33:42
Speaker 2: Laura Tingle at the Sydney Writers' Festival, or we heard
33:45
Speaker 2: about them.
33:46
Speaker 3: Here's a little of what she said for a major
33:49
Speaker 3: point the.
33:50
Speaker 15: Call university saying, as Nicky says, you know everything that's
33:53
Speaker 15: going wrong in this country is because of migrants, and
33:57
Speaker 15: you know, a sudden wayship people turning up to try
34:01
Speaker 15: to read a property or at an auction and they
34:04
Speaker 15: look a bit different. What have you defined different as?
34:08
Speaker 15: Basically he has given them license to be abused. I mean,
34:12
Speaker 15: we are a racist cupule. It's face that we always
34:14
Speaker 15: have been and it's very decreasing.
34:18
Speaker 2: It's reported today the ABC board believe it when I
34:20
Speaker 2: see it. Chris is holding emergency talks over what was said.
34:25
Speaker 2: But this is a long way away from what's expected
34:28
Speaker 2: under the ABC's charter, isn't it.
34:32
Speaker 14: Well, Peter, I can tell you I did do that
34:33
Speaker 14: job as political editor of seven thirty many many years ago,
34:37
Speaker 14: back in two thousand and eight. I had some fairly
34:39
Speaker 14: robust things to say about Kevin Rudd at the time
34:41
Speaker 14: when he was missed seventy percent, and that did come
34:44
Speaker 14: with some quite remarkable blowbacks. So I've said I won't
34:47
Speaker 14: be a commentator about the ABC and Laura can look
34:49
Speaker 14: after herself, but I will say this in terms of
34:51
Speaker 14: the essence or the substance of what was said. Is
34:54
Speaker 14: I went back in read Peter Dutton's speech today. There's
34:56
Speaker 14: nothing in it where he says he blames migrants for
34:59
Speaker 14: everything that's going in Australia. He quite rightly talks about
35:02
Speaker 14: the migration level in Australia and the stress that people
35:04
Speaker 14: feel in the housing market, and of course those two
35:07
Speaker 14: things are connected and it's well within the rights of
35:09
Speaker 14: any political leader to be able to talk about that
35:12
Speaker 14: without being accused of being racist. And the other thing too,
35:15
Speaker 14: is that to understand or to think that Australia is
35:17
Speaker 14: in some way uniquely racist, is I think to entirely
35:20
Speaker 14: misunderstand of the country. Tania Pipas said that you didn't
35:23
Speaker 14: believe the Australia was racist. I think that there are
35:26
Speaker 14: issues with racism in Australia, but that doesn't make us
35:29
Speaker 14: any different from any country on Earth.
35:31
Speaker 6: And travel a bit.
35:32
Speaker 14: I lived in India free year. What do you think
35:34
Speaker 14: the caste system is? What do you think about what
35:37
Speaker 14: happened in Rwanda? Do you think that the hand Chinese
35:39
Speaker 14: aren't just a tad xenophobic when it comes to people
35:42
Speaker 14: who aren't like them? What about the Japanese and the Koreans.
35:45
Speaker 14: Malaysia has a racist constitution.
35:47
Speaker 6: So if you start.
35:48
Speaker 14: Looking around the world, you'll see that just about every
35:50
Speaker 14: country on Earth has its own issues. Australia has done
35:53
Speaker 14: more in my lifetime to try and house people from
35:56
Speaker 14: all over the world as best they possibly can, dealing
36:00
Speaker 14: with the issues that always arise when you get that
36:02
Speaker 14: level of migration. So I'm pretty proud of how Australia's
36:06
Speaker 14: dealt with that over time. I worry about a social
36:09
Speaker 14: cohesion at the moment, but I think that it's something
36:11
Speaker 14: that we can cope with.
36:15
Speaker 2: I might add again, I think there's about one hundred
36:16
Speaker 2: and ninety countries in the world, less than thirty permanently
36:21
Speaker 2: settle refugees. We are one of that thirty. So I
36:24
Speaker 2: underscore your points, Chris Yrman, Thank you. Chris was mentioning
36:27
Speaker 2: there the university's anti semitism. Don't forget tonight at seven
36:30
Speaker 2: o'clock that wonderful doco by a maid of mine, an
36:33
Speaker 2: old made of mine, certainly a former politician that they're
36:36
Speaker 2: Josh Fredenberg. All right, after the break, we'll get into
36:38
Speaker 2: things with James Patterson. Plus the coalition's pledged to cancel
36:43
Speaker 2: the student visas of the pro Palestinian protesters. We'll gome back.
36:52
Speaker 2: Coming up, we got the international panel. I want to
36:53
Speaker 2: get you the latest from Trump. Some comments too by
36:57
Speaker 2: Emmanuel Macron about the rise of the right in France
37:01
Speaker 2: and Europe. But let's go back to Camber now that
37:04
Speaker 2: car crash of an appearance today for the Immigration Minister
37:07
Speaker 2: Andrew Giles in the Parliament, where everyone else was to blame,
37:10
Speaker 2: not the minister, not the direction he signed to give
37:13
Speaker 2: violence foreign criminals the benefit of the doubt. For more
37:16
Speaker 2: on this, Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Pattison joins us
37:20
Speaker 2: now from Parliament House. The Coalition's demanding now, James, that
37:25
Speaker 2: the Minister must rescind this direction. I made the point
37:29
Speaker 2: a little earlier on with Andrew Clannell. The timing is curious.
37:34
Speaker 2: This was made on the twenty third of January nineteenth
37:37
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty three, twenty third of January last year, so
37:41
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and two days after that Jacinda R. Durn,
37:47
Speaker 2: who long wanted this change, finally left office.
37:54
Speaker 16: It is very curious, and go back a little bit further.
37:57
Speaker 16: In July twenty twenty two, the Prime Ister held the
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Speaker 16: joint press conference with Disindra A. Durn at Kiribilli, in
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Speaker 16: which he committed to dealing with this issue in a
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Speaker 16: quote common sense way. As you may be aware, Peter,
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Speaker 16: we were regularly asked when we're in government by jacindaan
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Speaker 16: Durn and her government to please go soft on deporting
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Speaker 16: serious New Zealand criminals because they didn't want them, particularly
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Speaker 16: if they'd grown up in Australia or substantially grown up
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Speaker 16: in Australia. But we politely declined the request of the
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Speaker 16: New Zealand government to do so because we didn't think
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Speaker 16: it was in Australia's national interest to continue to allow
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Speaker 16: people to stay here who are very serious offenders and
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Speaker 16: non citizens. If you come here as to our country,
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Speaker 16: you were on a visa, you are a guest in
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Speaker 16: our country, and there are conditions that apply to that,
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Speaker 16: and if you go around murdering or raping people, then
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Speaker 16: that violates those conditions and you should be deported, regardless
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Speaker 16: of where you're from and regardless of how long you've
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Speaker 16: been here. Anthe obnezy. As we know, he's a weak
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Speaker 16: Prime minister, and he gave in to that lobbying from
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Speaker 16: Justinda An durn and we're all seeing what the consequences
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Speaker 16: of that are right now.
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Speaker 2: So this is why you won't demand that Giles scrap
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Speaker 2: this direction, because I I bet you he told Giles.
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Speaker 3: To do it.
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Speaker 16: Well, it's even worse than that, Peter, You're right, he
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Speaker 16: can't sack Andrew Giles, because not only did he probably
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Speaker 16: privately instruct Andrew Giles to do it in a freadom
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Speaker 16: of information, a request that was just released publicly in
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Speaker 16: the last couple of days, it has been revealed that
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Speaker 16: the Department themselves referred to the Prime Minister's joint press
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Speaker 16: conference with Decinder a dun as the reason why this
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Speaker 16: advice to the Minister is being prepared. So the whole
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Speaker 16: thing started with the Prime Minister. It might be Andrew
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Speaker 16: Giles who signed the paper, but it's the Prime Minister
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Speaker 16: who was holding the pen.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the issue of these student protesters.
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Speaker 2: You say, the Coalition says, if they are on a visa.
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Speaker 3: This is the pro how musk types in.
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Speaker 2: The encounpments at the universities, if they are on visas,
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Speaker 2: if they are not Australian citizens, they should be deported.
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Speaker 2: This is what's happening in the United Kingdom. Now, surely
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Speaker 2: the government's got the powers now under the Migration Act
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Speaker 2: to act.
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Speaker 6: That's right, Petter.
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Speaker 16: There's multiple provisions of the Migration Act which allowed the
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Speaker 16: Minister for Home Affairs and the Minister for Immigration to
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Speaker 16: cancel the visas of people who are inciting discord in
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Speaker 16: our community, in citing disharmony, targeting minority groups in our community,
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Speaker 16: engaging in political extremism, supporting terrorism, a whole range of
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Speaker 16: criteria that's s avaiable right now. And there's no doubt
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Speaker 16: we've seen unprecedented, precented levels of anti semitism on campus.
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Speaker 16: Some of the people involved in that are very clearly
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Speaker 16: foreign students who are here as guests in our country.
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Speaker 16: They violated the principles of their time as visitors here
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Speaker 16: and they should be sent home. Unfortunately, as far as
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Speaker 16: we can tell, neither minister has canceled any visas despite
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Speaker 16: what we've said on campus, and things are getting so
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Speaker 16: bad that even Jason Clear said this week that what
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Speaker 16: happened at Melbourne University in the last few days involved
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Speaker 16: repugnant antisemitism. Now that's a pretty big statement from a
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Speaker 16: guy who was denying there as a problem at all
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Speaker 16: only a few weeks ago. And yet where's the Minister
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Speaker 16: for Home Affairs and where's the Minister Immigration? Missing in
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Speaker 16: action as per usual when it comes to community safety.
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Speaker 2: In the aftermath of October seven last year, James, we
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Speaker 2: talked about the fact that we had no consular presence
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Speaker 2: in Gaza, So people were applying online, they were getting
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Speaker 2: visas to come to Australia, and there was very little
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Speaker 2: in terms of security checks of these people. The concern
41:22
Speaker 2: was once they got here that they'd go down the
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Speaker 2: path of staying permanently.
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Speaker 3: I suspect that's what's happening.
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Speaker 2: Do you have a sense of how many people have
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Speaker 2: come in under what I'd regard as a pretty lax
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Speaker 2: system since then?
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Speaker 16: We know, Peter, as of February that two thousand, over
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Speaker 16: two thousand visas had been granted on an average basis
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Speaker 16: of twenty four hours consideration by the Department, in some
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Speaker 16: instances just a couple of hours for a visa application.
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Speaker 16: Extraordinary rush by the government given that this is a
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Speaker 16: war zone control by a terrorist organization. As it happens,
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Speaker 16: I've got Home a Fairs officials before me right now
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Speaker 16: in centive estimates, and this is a key question. I'll
41:58
Speaker 16: be asking for an update of how many more us
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Speaker 16: have they issued since February, how many of those people
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Speaker 16: have made it out of Gaza and into Australia, and
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Speaker 16: how many of those visas did they initially issue which
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Speaker 16: they've then had to subsequently cancel on security advice. We
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Speaker 16: know that they've canceled some, we just don't know how many.
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Speaker 16: But what that indicates is they didn't do the proper
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Speaker 16: checks in the first place, which they of course couldn't
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Speaker 16: have in such a quick and rushed process.
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Speaker 2: Well, I would watch is this knee jerk reaction from
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Speaker 2: Justin Trudeau. He's announced five thousand visa places for Palestinians
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Speaker 2: to basically just enter into Canada. That'll we pressure from
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Speaker 2: labor to do the same here.
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Speaker 16: You're right, Peter, and frankly, although we are a humanitarian
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Speaker 16: country and we welcome people in desperate need, we've also
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Speaker 16: got an unprecedented anti Semitism crisis and we don't need
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Speaker 16: to add to it. And I don't want to bring
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Speaker 16: anyone here who has attitudes of hostility towards the Jewish community,
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Speaker 16: because frankly, they deserve better than that from their government.
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Speaker 3: James, let you go.
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Speaker 2: You've got important word to do there, and and estimates
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Speaker 2: we will watch very closely. I can guarantee you tomorrow
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Speaker 2: I'll bring you anything here uncovers this afternoon and into
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Speaker 2: the evening, all right after break. You won't believe that
43:09
Speaker 2: tone deaf comments from Hillary Clinton, but why she thinks
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Speaker 2: she lost the presidential electure and plus more allegations of
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Speaker 2: ABC bias, this time about Hamas and Pennywongs.
43:21
Speaker 3: Fight with Ukraine over coal.
43:29
Speaker 2: Okay, we're getting close to Josh Fridenberg's documentary do not
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Speaker 2: miss it at seven o'clock. But let's get into things
43:34
Speaker 2: with my international panel. Sky News contributed Koshergada, former Labor
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Speaker 2: MP brow disappointed Labor MP after say, Michael Danby, we'll.
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Speaker 3: Start with you on that. On that issue, Michael.
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Speaker 2: It's got to be a rugged, horrifically rugged seven months
43:48
Speaker 2: for anyone who's a Jewish Australian, let alone someone who's
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Speaker 2: been deep inside the Labor party for as many years
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Speaker 2: as you have been. What about these comments from the ABC.
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Speaker 2: There've been a cue used of horrific bias over their
44:02
Speaker 2: coverage for some time. But they've taken an image of
44:05
Speaker 2: a Hamas attack on Tel Aviv and they've described it
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Speaker 2: this is a terror organization as a show of a resilience,
44:13
Speaker 2: a show of resilience by Harmas in an Instagram post.
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Speaker 3: What do you make of that?
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Speaker 12: Well, let's fade out what a hotspur it is for
44:23
Speaker 12: Laura Tingle to describe Australians in a blanket way as racist.
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Speaker 12: But her network, the ABC, funded by all of us,
44:33
Speaker 12: hasn't done one program on anti Semitism in the seven
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Speaker 12: months since October seventh, so all of us are feeling
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Speaker 12: it on our next with it with kids going to school, etc.
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Speaker 12: Not a single program, as Joe Gersh, the ABC former
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Speaker 12: board member said on Cherry's program some weeks, not a
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Speaker 12: single program. So full credit to Sky and to Josh
44:54
Speaker 12: Friedenberg for doing this program. It should be on our
44:57
Speaker 12: national broadcasts network, but not there.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the US.
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Speaker 2: There is a sense that this Trump trial will go
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Speaker 2: to the jury and there'll be a result fairly quickly.
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Speaker 2: Let's assume he's convicted in the state of New York.
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Speaker 2: Pretty Democrats dip so let's lave it there and he
45:16
Speaker 2: ends up sentenced. Do we find he goes to jail
45:19
Speaker 2: and how does that play out in a US presidential campaign?
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Speaker 17: It's very unlikely, I think, even with the Democrat jury
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Speaker 17: pool and judge, that just seems like a bridge too far.
45:29
Speaker 17: The judge recognizes that he's even mentioned that the gravity
45:33
Speaker 17: of the situation is not lost on him, so I
45:34
Speaker 17: think it's unlikely, though not impossible. However, if he were
45:38
Speaker 17: to go to Jilder is a precedent of that. There's
45:40
Speaker 17: this famous case from nineteen twenty Eugene V. Debs, who
45:43
Speaker 17: socialist candidate and ran from prison. So you're legally allowed
45:46
Speaker 17: to do so. But he was a fringe candidate. Never
45:48
Speaker 17: before has it been a very popular candidate with a
45:51
Speaker 17: big constituency doing that.
45:52
Speaker 12: There's a great film, a Medical Blaze, if anyone wants
45:55
Speaker 12: to see.
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Speaker 17: Thank But I think all of this displays to the
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Speaker 17: dynamics we've been discussed that it's going to make him
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Speaker 17: more and more of a martyr and galvan as many
46:02
Speaker 17: people in support of him, but it's also going to
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Speaker 17: tire him with certain other people who just won't be
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Speaker 17: able to get past the fact that he's a convicted felon.
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Speaker 17: Whether he's in jail or not, and which one reains
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Speaker 17: more SUPREMEU is what the selection is going to be about.
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Speaker 2: Talk to me about what's going on in Europe, and
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Speaker 2: Manual Macron is out there saying is a state visit
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Speaker 2: to Germany at the moment that there is an ill wind,
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Speaker 2: he says, blowing across Europe he's referring to the far right.
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Speaker 2: There has been obviously a resurgence in the vote for
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Speaker 2: La penn but it's not just there. It's a multiple
46:32
Speaker 2: countries have moved into the right. I won't say in
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Speaker 2: every case it's the far right, but it's certainly a
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Speaker 2: long way from the left. And I have to say
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Speaker 2: it's on the head of people like Macron who have
46:41
Speaker 2: not dealt with the issue of of illegal migration, mass migration,
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Speaker 2: cultural changes. You know, the elites don't live in the
46:49
Speaker 2: areas under pressure from migrants. That's part of the problem,
46:53
Speaker 2: isn't it the responsibility.
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Speaker 12: There are some arrondissements in Paris where even the police
46:57
Speaker 12: won't go. So there's eight million Muslims in France and
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Speaker 12: it's a big cultural problem and all of the countries
47:04
Speaker 12: of Western Europe should have dealt with it earlier. And
47:07
Speaker 12: missus Merkle was foolish to ask for a million Syrians
47:12
Speaker 12: fighting age men to come to that country, and that's
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Speaker 12: fueled the AfD the far right there. Interestingly enough, he's
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Speaker 12: doing it to cement relations with Germany in favor of Ukraine.
47:24
Speaker 12: Because all of these far right parties, a lot of
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Speaker 12: your viewers mightn't believe this, Peter, but are funded by Putin.
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Speaker 12: Missus Lapen has a huge unpaid loan from Moscow Bank.
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Speaker 3: I've got to be quick here.
47:39
Speaker 2: But Hillary Clinton says the resident she lost is that
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Speaker 2: women didn't vote for her. It prooves how smart women are.
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Speaker 17: She has painting in broad brushstrokes. She said similar things
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Speaker 17: in the past. She won the women in Volge by
47:52
Speaker 17: a little bit. She lost weight women by two points,
47:54
Speaker 17: and she lost working class weight women by ten or
47:57
Speaker 17: twelve points. There are policy reasons that can describe, and
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Speaker 17: she might do well to consider those.
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Speaker 2: When these politicians stop saying that women will vote for
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Speaker 2: women just because they're women, they might get somewhere.
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Speaker 3: Gosh, that gets under my crawl.
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Speaker 2: All right, that's it, Thank you both, see you next week.
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Speaker 2: We'll go to leave here absolutely on time. Do not
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Speaker 2: miss this wonderful documentary from my good mate. We're at
48:17
Speaker 2: university around the same time, Josh Friedenberg. It's called Ever Again,
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Speaker 2: a Fight against Anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: Please watch this for Australia's sake.