Latest / The Scene Projects / Matthew Mettscher: From Studio Stories to Podcasting Insights
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- 0:02Welcome back.
- 0:03Today, we are joined by Matthew Jay Metcher from Long Bust Short Thoughts, a storyteller,
- 0:08creator, and motivator who's all about building champions in life.
- 0:12Stick around as we dive into his journey, his projects with Five and Nine Productions, and
- 0:17the mindset that drives him forward.
- 0:19Let's get into it.
- 0:25This program is part of the Scene Projects podcast network.
- 0:30Scene Project features interviews with independent musicians, comedians, and artists
- 0:35from across the Midwest.
- 0:38Become part of our community and support local art wherever you are.
- 0:51Well, welcome in to another exciting episode of the scene.
- 0:54I'm your host, Bubba Starts.
- 0:55And with me today from Five and Dime productions, Matt Mescher.
- 0:59Welcome to the show, brother.
- 1:00Hey.
- 1:01Thanks for having me, dude.
- 1:02Oh, it's a pleasure.
- 1:03Beautiful studio you got there.
- 1:04Thank you.
- 1:05It's it's been a dream I've been building for a little little over sixteen months now.
- 1:11So, you know, it's been building in my head for years.
- 1:13But
- 1:15That's awesome.
- 1:15So we've been at this about the same amount of time.
- 1:18I started my podcast back in, like, March, April 2024.
- 1:22And to look now, I think I just got the vidIQ.
- 1:25We've had 950 uploads over 225,000 views on our YouTube.
- 1:31And, yeah, man.
- 1:32It's crazy to see how fast they can go when you really put the work in.
- 1:38And we're gonna get to all of that.
- 1:39So I wanna give you the floor.
- 1:41Give us a little bit of your backstory before the podcast, and then I know we got plenty to
- 1:45talk about.
- 1:46So before the podcast, I was just like everybody else trying to get by.
- 1:52Ended up driving a semi for a couple years to kinda it allowed me the money to get life's, I
- 1:58don't know, back in shape.
- 2:00I had lost a big job and kinda had some mental health issues, but got my CDL, got kinda
- 2:06regained life, and it took me a couple four or five years to get my feet back under underneath
- 2:12me.
- 2:12But then I had to have a back surgery, and it was early twenty three, July '23, and it put me
- 2:21on the couch for, like, six weeks.
- 2:23And I really seen what I was missing at home and, like, the kids needed me and the wife
- 2:28needed a lot more help.
- 2:30And so I sold everything I could and started this.
- 2:36And it's you know, started the production company to try to be able to be around the
- 2:40family more and be able to get to the doctor appointments and kinda made a commitment to,
- 2:46like, not miss any sporting events or anything like that.
- 2:49And always wanted to do a podcast with my buddies, you know, as in high school and stuff
- 2:54we talked about.
- 2:55You know, we should have recorded this night and, you know, just all the dumb things.
- 2:58And I moved an hour north so I could afford to live.
- 3:03I bought a house for, like, $30,000.
- 3:06I could afford to live and do what I wanted to do and be around the family and all that.
- 3:10And but then it took me away from all my people, and I needed something.
- 3:16So I a buddy said we could do this in his basement, and we we started the studio and the
- 3:21podcast.
- 3:22And now I get together a couple times a week and, you know, have a whiskey with my buds and
- 3:27meet cool people and really just talk about life, you know, and and what we're struggling
- 3:32with.
- 3:33And I don't know, man.
- 3:35Trying not to be another statistic.
- 3:38You know what I mean?
- 3:39And and we we every day, we're calling and checking on each other and sending other people
- 3:44text messages, just checking on their mental health and things like that.
- 3:47And it's kinda become a become a big beautiful thing, and we're all we're all I've lost 96
- 3:54pounds working out and trying to make myself better also so my I can be around longer for my
- 4:00kids.
- 4:00And a couple of the other guys have kinda jumped on too and started losing some weight.
- 4:05And I don't know, man.
- 4:07It's become kind of a get better for life and the family movement, and it's been beautiful.
- 4:12And and we started hooking up with some great local artists and comedians and stuff and just
- 4:18added to the fun.
- 4:19And I don't know, man.
- 4:20I I get to hang out with my buddies and meet awesome people and drink whiskey.
- 4:24You know what I mean?
- 4:27It's a great thing.
- 4:29I I love all the similarities.
- 4:31I left a factory job.
- 4:33I was working about a half hour away commuting every day.
- 4:36Wasn't available for the family like I wanted to.
- 4:39Even if I was home, I I was mentally checked out from kind of being in that corporate world,
- 4:44right, and being constantly under somebody's thumb or supervision.
- 4:50And I knew I was capable of more, and we really set out with the mission to to to talk to those
- 4:58comedians and those artists and and all these people that need their art promoted.
- 5:03I'm a songwriter myself, so it was a world I was already deeply invested in.
- 5:08And, you know, we got to a 100 episodes in eight months.
- 5:11Right?
- 5:11Just just cranking out the content, talking with our friends.
- 5:15Right?
- 5:15That's I don't have a a small group of friends.
- 5:17I have a very large group.
- 5:19So we just started, having conversations and talking about the music they were releasing and
- 5:24some of their backstory or the mental health things that they were struggling with.
- 5:27And now, you know, before before we even knew what we were doing, we got I think I counted
- 5:33eight shows right now on the network.
- 5:35I host the majority of them.
- 5:38But now we're starting to invite other people who some of them weren't even podcasting a few
- 5:42months ago, and now they have their own show and are building their own business, but their
- 5:48own lives and getting this archive of of all the beautiful people around them.
- 5:53And that's, to me, I think, the essence of it.
- 5:55Right?
- 5:56Is to have the like you said, man, we should've recorded that night.
- 5:59All the even if it might have just been a bunch of BS, the having the access to those funny
- 6:03moments in our lives more than just the picture.
- 6:06Right?
- 6:07Yeah.
- 6:08And, you know, since we moved to digital film and mostly all of our stuff's on our phones, I
- 6:13don't think pictures mean as much as they used to.
- 6:15We don't print them out, and I don't think that we're touring through the album books, if you
- 6:21will, kinda like we used to.
- 6:23I'm 39.
- 6:23I kinda remember that analog age of having the Yeah.
- 6:27The the wind up cameras.
- 6:29And I I remember Polaroids before they went to these little, the smaller ones now that they
- 6:34kinda brought back.
- 6:35But, yeah, it's interesting to hear you parallel so many things and reasons why I
- 6:41wanted to start my own podcast and to build my own production company.
- 6:44And and now we look around at what we've done and how we're able to help other organizations
- 6:50like operation combating veteran suicide and combining with shout out, shameless plug for
- 6:56our skunked skunked golf apparel, skunked golf company who got us fit for the Sanford
- 7:02International golf tournament up here in Sioux Falls.
- 7:05Like, it just continues to grow.
- 7:08And if we got this far in a year and a half, Matt, I don't think there's any stopping either
- 7:12one of us.
- 7:13You know?
- 7:14And and it when I originally started, it was I wasn't even sure I was gonna put it on YouTube
- 7:19or anything.
- 7:19It was just gonna be me recording my time with my buddies and just laughing about it.
- 7:24But it you know, we decided to throw it out there, and and it and it has been fun how many
- 7:31people actually enjoy it.
- 7:32And I don't know, man.
- 7:34The the it's it's it's helped us as a group of guys really support each other in ways that we
- 7:42weren't before.
- 7:43And I don't know, man, really grown the brotherhood a little bit.
- 7:46You know what I mean?
- 7:46And we've added a ton of cool new ton of cool new people to the group.
- 7:51So I I really wouldn't have changed anything.
- 7:54And and as you were kinda talk, I'm only a couple years older than you that I am I am a
- 8:00flip through the CD book or picture book type of guy.
- 8:04You know what I mean?
- 8:05Like, I I don't know.
- 8:06I I would rather have it sitting in my closet where I can touch it when I want to, and and I
- 8:10I don't like getting on the computer to look at pictures.
- 8:12It just doesn't have the same feeling to me.
- 8:16I so much to the fact, like, CDs it shows, having the actual CD for sale at the merch
- 8:23table is something that was so important to me.
- 8:26I started making CDs for the local guys.
- 8:30You know, I went and spent a couple thousand dollars on a machine so I could produce them
- 8:34locally to to ensure that I didn't lose that little bit of something I loved.
- 8:39That signed CD to me is like a it's like the signed football card or baseball card back in
- 8:44the day.
- 8:45You know what I mean?
- 8:45I've got a ton of them signed that I just have sitting that are I don't know, man.
- 8:50That stuff is like a treasure to me.
- 8:52So I I get the old school feeling.
- 8:55Yeah.
- 8:55Well, it's visceral, and you own it.
- 8:57When when you buy that in this world, everything is rented.
- 9:00You're paying for these subscriptions, and you never even have this music.
- 9:03You have access to stream it, but you don't actually own anything, and you didn't actually
- 9:08support a local artist by streaming it.
- 9:11Just because you played their song, that there's nothing really to that.
- 9:14And I think that's, we're all well aware of that now, especially as Spotify has changed
- 9:20their terms.
- 9:20I pulled all of my stuff off of Spotify, because they're openly putting it in their
- 9:24terms that they're going to take your, art.
- 9:28They're gonna run it through their own AI, and they're gonna spew it back out as their own
- 9:32thing.
- 9:32And they're gonna start to just generate pop stars in this way.
- 9:36And, I've been doing my best to promote these terms to all of my friends that are putting
- 9:42their music out there, and the that's the future.
- 9:46Right?
- 9:46Is that they're just going to build this massive database through their streaming
- 9:50platform and by exploiting young artists that just wanna get their stuff out there and using
- 9:56it to pretty much put them out of a job.
- 9:59And it and it's unreal.
- 10:00Like, something like a million streams is, $4,000 or something.
- 10:04Saw that today.
- 10:05Yeah.
- 10:06It's it's
- 10:06I don't even know if it's that.
- 10:07That's that's if you, like, have the established base.
- 10:10If a if a independent artist just goes out there and has a million streams, they're likely
- 10:15to make even less than that because maybe they don't have the monthly listener built up, and
- 10:19there's so many nuances to their terms to actually get paid.
- 10:24It's not worth, like, how much promotions you have to do to get those million streams.
- 10:29And now even if you do, Matt, that they are pretty much signing you.
- 10:32So anyone that does pop through there and breaks through the noise on that, just because
- 10:37you're putting your stuff on Spotify and you signed those terms as an artist, they're going
- 10:42to own a percentage of that moving forward and to pretty much be in control of your career.
- 10:47And I'm doing everything that I can to, like, hey.
- 10:49Get your stuff off of here.
- 10:51Like, leave that.
- 10:52If you're an independent artist who cares about your art and making a living in this business
- 10:56and actually being able to do something with your music in the future, get your stuff off of
- 11:02there now and start to think about it in a lot different way and start to think about getting
- 11:07back to that visceral nature of of being in front of people and selling CDs and shaking
- 11:14hands and signing autographs.
- 11:15Like, that's what really makes people a star in this day and age and not some number, on a
- 11:22streaming platform.
- 11:23And do you remember, like, street teams and, like, people out there being, like, handing out
- 11:28flyers and and, like, it was actually in your face, dude.
- 11:31And I I miss that stuff.
- 11:32I miss the physical flyers even for shows.
- 11:35I I miss that kind of stuff.
- 11:37And I I would love to see people selling CDs out of the trunk again or, you know, handing
- 11:42out the flyers as I walk through Benson or downtown.
- 11:45Like, give me some more of that.
- 11:48Man, the guy so I was at Rock the Country, which was a big festival in Sioux Falls this
- 11:52year.
- 11:53They traveled all over the country.
- 11:54Shout out to Kid Rock for putting that on.
- 11:56I know he was the major producer of it, also the headliner.
- 12:00And Aphroman was there.
- 12:02And he came out, played all of his hits, and then he went back to the merch, but he said it
- 12:05on stage.
- 12:0650,000 people.
- 12:07Hey.
- 12:07Come back and see me.
- 12:08I'll be at the merch booth.
- 12:09And he was there.
- 12:10He's there.
- 12:11And there's sixty, seventy people stacked up waiting in line to shake his hand and grab a
- 12:15picture and and all this.
- 12:17And, man, it was so cool to see a man who's achieved so much in his life to still be the
- 12:22same guy that he was when he was selling them out of the back of the caddy back in the
- 12:28nineties.
- 12:28Right?
- 12:28Like, it's it was incredible.
- 12:30And I think a lot of young artists can definitely, take some notes from a guy who's
- 12:36been doing it for a long time that that's what it's really about.
- 12:39That's how you build a brand, and that's how you maintain a career for the long term and not
- 12:43just being a flash in the pan artist.
- 12:45I mean, in in dealing with artists on a level that you and I do, you know, you get to know
- 12:50them a little bit, and I have seen artists that are, you know, kinda yeah.
- 12:57They're they walk by the merch table and they're quick in and out, but I've seen artists
- 13:01that, like, stand at the merch table and work it the whole time and, you know, that they're
- 13:05not on stage and really connect with the fans.
- 13:08And you can see even at the merch table line who really has that they're gonna take the time
- 13:15to sit down and chat with you or talk with you or take the picture over the artist that's
- 13:20just, like, kinda breeze through.
- 13:22Well and I think artists need to know that that is your storefront.
- 13:26Right?
- 13:26Like, that is the only chance that you're gonna get to see some of these people possibly in
- 13:31their lives.
- 13:33Right?
- 13:33That's the only time you're gonna have to connect with that individual who may go on to
- 13:37be a lifetime fan and customer, but that one to one interaction at that moment is so important.
- 13:44And that's why we started our our own organization called the Midwest Original Music
- 13:48Organization to start bringing in these young artists and having some of the people in our
- 13:54group that are of that have been doing this for a while to be able to educate the the younger
- 14:00group and to network with everyone and to continue bringing them in.
- 14:04It's fresh on my mind right now because we're having our first meetup in a while on Zoom
- 14:09later this evening.
- 14:10But every Wednesday, you can find us on, you know, in our Zoom meeting, but you can find the
- 14:16Midwest Original Music Organization on Facebook and join our group there and and become part of
- 14:21what we're growing because that network is so important.
- 14:26Your network is your net worth.
- 14:28Shout out to my good buddy, Marvellis, for putting that in a song.
- 14:32Well and and doing this, you know, I mean, just having having somebody that knows you that has
- 14:38that a big name and and when you're trying to book a show, just for that cool person to be
- 14:43like, hey.
- 14:43Yeah.
- 14:44He's a pretty cool person.
- 14:45You know?
- 14:45Just having that little bit of networking goes a long way for a guy like you and me.
- 14:50You know, I I gotta say, you know, like, Justin Strawstone.
- 14:55I'm not I'm not sure if you know him or not.
- 14:57Oh, yeah.
- 14:57I've never we've never met in person, but, I'm a huge fan of everything that they have built
- 15:02with with their company.
- 15:03And I've worked with Corey Church, kinda his partner in the Sioux Falls area a few times.
- 15:09Okay.
- 15:10Yep.
- 15:10And Justin's a great dude.
- 15:12You know, he actually was kind of the reason we got into the music so much.
- 15:17You know?
- 15:17He was like, oh, I got, you know, access to some of the local guys, you know, and come
- 15:21check out some shows.
- 15:23And, you know, he kinda introduced me to the local scene because I hadn't really got into it
- 15:29like that before and and found out how much I was missing.
- 15:33And shout out to Justin for that and everything that he does with this city with music and, you
- 15:39know, decent dogs.
- 15:41And he just he's always busy.
- 15:43He's always doing something, and it's always for good people, good p you know, good things.
- 15:47They help do shows for to build tiny libraries and neighborhoods and stuff like that.
- 15:53Like, everything that dude is awesome dude does is awesome, and I've been felt lucky to work
- 15:59with him.
- 16:01Nope.
- 16:01You hit the nail on the head.
- 16:03And in some ways, that's you know, what they've built is a big reason why the scene projects
- 16:11needed to happen.
- 16:12Because while they were doing all the shows and they had all the artists, it made it real easy
- 16:16to tap into those communities and talk to these artists and promote these shows and to do
- 16:20everything that we can to promote that while growing our own brand and to get more people
- 16:27out.
- 16:27Just get out, meet people, get off your phone, get into, you know, the these venues, meet
- 16:35these artists, meet new friends that are other music lovers.
- 16:38Right?
- 16:38Like, it's so much more than just it's so much more than just the artists and promoting their
- 16:44art.
- 16:44It's really promoting community.
- 16:46And I think nobody embodies that more in the Omaha area than Justin Strawstone.
- 16:51Right.
- 16:52Right.
- 16:53Shout out to Justin.
- 16:55For sure.
- 16:56So tell us more about, the the podcast.
- 16:59I know you mentioned it's just kinda you and your buddies, but, you know, shout out your
- 17:03cohost and maybe some notables that have been on the show with you in the last eighteen
- 17:07months.
- 17:08So, I mean, all all the all my buddies that I've that come sit with me on the show, we've
- 17:13all been friends for twenty, twenty five years.
- 17:16There's kind of a core of four or five of us.
- 17:19My Rich Morales, Steve Stoker, Rob Freshman, Danny Britton.
- 17:26You know, we just we got my my buddy, Tom Alfonso, he's been a big part of this too.
- 17:32You know, we've had it was it was, like I said, started on kind of mental health.
- 17:37Like, I I don't I'm not a good talker with, you know, the therapist anyway.
- 17:44But I could sit and talk to my boys, and we all need to find a way to get these things out
- 17:50instead of sitting on them and let them let them eat us up and, you know, then we're
- 17:54drinking too much or I don't know, man.
- 17:58Just fighting in the streets because we're still dumb.
- 18:01But it was I don't know.
- 18:03Try to let's sit down and let's talk about these things and so we don't blow our brains
- 18:09out.
- 18:09You know, the the statistics are ridiculous on on suicide and and, you know, just mental
- 18:16health death rates.
- 18:18It's and it's scary.
- 18:19So I I I needed to sit down and find out a way for me to to figure out how to communicate.
- 18:25And, you know, there's things that have been said in this room that'll never leave this room
- 18:30that, you know, you just it's been healing for everybody.
- 18:35We're all we are all becoming better people and and really just I don't know, man.
- 18:40It's it's been cool because I didn't tell anybody, like, hey.
- 18:43We're gonna try to be better people and lose weight and stuff.
- 18:47It was a let's sit around, drink whiskey, and see how this goes.
- 18:49And I don't know, man.
- 18:51I kinda was gonna do these things for me, and they were like, yeah.
- 18:54Let's let's go too.
- 18:55You know, a couple three of us are bigger guys.
- 18:58I was three hundred and sixty five pounds.
- 19:00I'm I'm down to two hundred and eighty two right now.
- 19:03Yeah.
- 19:04I got another 15 to go, and it's just these guys, they text me in the morning, you know,
- 19:08are you getting on your walk?
- 19:10Or Steve, he's he's probably the most stubborn of us on working out.
- 19:14Me and my eight year old send him a message every morning when we're going on our walk
- 19:18trying to get him to go on his.
- 19:21So, I mean, it's it's even got my eight year old out walking and, you know, motivated him in
- 19:26a way like, hey.
- 19:27As soon as we walk out the front door, he's like, we gotta send the message to Steve.
- 19:30You know, just but then, you know, we we Strawstone introduced me to King ISO and Table
- 19:40of the Truth and all the project b well guys.
- 19:43And that has been really big.
- 19:46We actually just couple couple two days yesterday, actually, last night at 05:00
- 19:52dropped a episode with the strange music engineer, producer, Matt Phoenix, who's an
- 19:59amazing dude.
- 20:00Like, is is big of a heart kind of a guy as you could ever imagine, actually answers your
- 20:06messages when he reads them, and, you know, you don't get a lot of that from some people.
- 20:11A week ago, we had MC Gringo who was a Norfolk, Nebraska native who's now out of Houston, but
- 20:17just has started to really pick up his Internet fame and, you know, gotten over 200,000 Spotify
- 20:23listeners monthly.
- 20:25But, apparently, we should all look at what our Spotify friends are doing.
- 20:30Mhmm.
- 20:30And I didn't and that was something I actually am glad you talked about because I didn't know
- 20:35that.
- 20:36That's you know, that Spotify had gone that deep with it.
- 20:41Well and when the company is kind of, you know, not outwardly owned, but is controlled by the
- 20:48major record play record companies still, it's easy to see why they would make a move like
- 20:54this.
- 20:54Right?
- 20:56But I'm not contributing to that.
- 20:58We're about the independent artists working with, you know, independent labels.
- 21:01We're fine with that.
- 21:02It's not that if you're signed to a label that, you know, we don't wanna work with you.
- 21:06It's really just staying away from the major, the major labels and just the industry in
- 21:12general.
- 21:12I've interviewed quite a few people that have worked in the record industry in one facet or
- 21:16another, and none of them have ever had good things to say.
- 21:19We've actually just dropped an episode yesterday with Alan Katz.
- 21:23Alan worked in Hollywood.
- 21:25He was a for tales from the crypt and actually of the crypt keeper character.
- 21:30Right?
- 21:30And listening to his stories of, you know, the joys of having a show that's on HBO and then
- 21:37the dirty underside of it, you know, on on some stuff with Bordello of Blood, I think you would
- 21:42really love that episode, man.
- 21:44Mean, he waxed
- 21:44I'm actually gonna probably check that out when we're done here.
- 21:47Yeah.
- 21:47That's on our get better together network.
- 21:50So we have Okay.
- 21:52We have several networks already that we're kinda building out.
- 21:54We post we cross post a lot.
- 21:56Right?
- 21:56Everything's kind of stems from the scene projects.
- 21:59But, that one, especially get better together is because that's how I say this is how god is
- 22:06healing the world.
- 22:07Right?
- 22:07These podcasts mean something.
- 22:09Having these conversations, if they're just one to one over Zoom even, and it it affects one
- 22:15person or two people and that's just me and you, Matt, well, then it's changed the world.
- 22:19Right?
- 22:20It's changed the world as we know it, and I I just I can't stop.
- 22:24I can't stop doing what I'm doing and having these conversations, but that one's a little
- 22:28bit more of the, you know, a little bit longer conversations and a little bit deeper.
- 22:35Right?
- 22:35He he shared some really personal, you know, traumatic experiences that had happened to him
- 22:39that are not always fitting for, you know, kinda shortage form interview that we do here
- 22:45on the seed project.
- 22:47So that one's over on the Get Better Together project YouTube.
- 22:50You can find it.
- 22:51And, yeah, follow the shorts over from the seed projects page.
- 22:54Yeah.
- 22:55For sure.
- 22:56Awesome, man.
- 22:57Where can people find your stuff online?
- 23:00So we are long bus short thoughts on pretty much everything for the podcast.
- 23:07The five and dime, it is we've struggled with it.
- 23:11There was a it was five slash 10 at first, and it we just ended up going with this as a
- 23:18format.
- 23:18It's like five and dime, the five, the letter n, and then dime productions on Facebook.
- 23:25And then I'm Matthew j Metcher on Facebook.
- 23:28I got the little blue check mark, but nobody's tried to copy me yet.
- 23:31Like, I'm not I haven't made it that far yet.
- 23:36But, yeah, you can you can find me at any of those.
- 23:39If you're trying to get CDs made for for anything, we also do DVDs.
- 23:43If you're into filmmaking or, you know, wanted to do a comedy special, we do DVDs too.
- 23:48But you can do find all that stuff at 5anddimeproductions.com.
- 23:54Awesome, man.
- 23:55Well, I'm gonna be hitting you up about the CDs because I got a, I got a new album that is
- 24:00totally mixed now and, or at least really close.
- 24:04I think we got one more track we're doing, and then I'm ready to put these songs out into the
- 24:08world with some kinda demos that we've done over the last two, three years.
- 24:13And I got some I got some music videos and some other content that would be worthy of of DVD
- 24:18quality.
- 24:18So I I love what you're doing.
- 24:21Huge shout out to you, and you guys just keep on going, man.
- 24:25Thank you for joining me today, and thanks for being part of the scene.
- 24:28Yeah.
- 24:29Well, thank you, sir.
- 24:30You have a beautiful day, and and shout out.
- 24:32Congratulations on your your your network, dude.
- 24:35That's that's big.
- 24:36That's awesome.
- 24:36Help you know, giving some of us an opportunity to to connect with you in that way if we want
- 24:42to.
- 24:43I love that you're it it wasn't just a I'm I'm on the network.
- 24:47It was a y'all come to the network.
- 24:49You know what I mean?
- 24:49I I love that, dude.
- 24:51Yeah.
- 24:51It's about the we.
- 24:52Right?
- 24:52It's not about me.
- 24:54I have a band of my own.
- 24:55That's about me.
- 24:56Right?
- 24:56Like, I already had that.
- 24:58So this has always been about, the whole scene, and and that's how we landed on the name.
- 25:03And it's it's wild to think that we've only been doing this for, you know, a year and a
- 25:08half and to look where it's, come from and to see where it's going, I think, is the biggest
- 25:16thing.
- 25:17So for being part of the scene, Matt.
- 25:19We'll talk to you soon.
- 25:20Yep.
- 25:20Have a good one, bro.