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Murdaugh Proclaims Innocence, Gets Life in Prison for Murders · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Hello everybody, we have just
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  Speaker 1: come out of the courtroom and take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: Judge Newman in our cut four's Murdle. I sentence you
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  Speaker 1: to the State Department of Corrections on each of the
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  Speaker 1: murder indictments in the murder of your wife, Maggie Murdal.
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  Speaker 1: I sentence you for term or the rest of your
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  Speaker 1: natural life. For the murder of Paul Murdal, whom you
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  Speaker 1: probably loved so much. I sentence you to prison for
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  Speaker 1: murdering him for the rest of your natural life. Those
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  Speaker 1: sentences will run consecutive. Under the statute involving possession of
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  Speaker 1: weapon doing a violent crime, there is no sentence where life.
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  Speaker 1: A life sentence is imposed on other indictments. That is
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  Speaker 1: the sentence of the court and you are remanded to
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  Speaker 1: the State Department of Corrections. I mean, see Grace, this
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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  Speaker 1: at Fox Station and serious XM one eleven. The judge
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  Speaker 1: judge even has handed down the maximum, which is life
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  Speaker 1: behind bars for the remainder of Alex Murdog's natural life.
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  Speaker 1: The kicker is the judge ran these sentences consecutively, which
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  Speaker 1: means one after the other. Based on this sentence, Alex
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  Speaker 1: murdog will never get out from behind ours. And in
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  Speaker 1: his very still calm, methodical way, you heard Newman almost
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  Speaker 1: sympathetic to Alex Murdag, yet firm in giving him the
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  Speaker 1: maximum kind of pining for the man murdogu once was,
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  Speaker 1: calling him friendly, gregarious, well known and well liked in
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  Speaker 1: the courthouse, but yet still guilty. Court is adjourned. I
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  Speaker 1: don't recall hearing Judge Newman slammed that gabbl one time
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  Speaker 1: during the trial. He managed to convey very firm orders
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  Speaker 1: with never raising his voice. And I've got to tell
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  Speaker 1: you something, I have never heard a judge speak the
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  Speaker 1: way this judge just spoke to the defendant at sentencing,
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  Speaker 1: almost empathetic with the man Alex murnagu once was, but
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  Speaker 1: never letting up on his quest for justice for Paul
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  Speaker 1: and Mackie. It was amazing to us that at the
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  Speaker 1: time Alex Murnag had a chance to throw himself on
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  Speaker 1: the mercy of the court, to apologize, to try and
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  Speaker 1: make some sort of amends, he chose to repeat his
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  Speaker 1: lies that he is innocent. And this is even after
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  Speaker 1: a jury has returned a guilty verdict on all accounts,
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  Speaker 1: not apologizing for the grief he caused his family due
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  Speaker 1: to his opioid addiction. Three failed attempts at drying out
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  Speaker 1: and rehab all the grief his family endured, the heartache
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  Speaker 1: they endured, no apology at all, but instead clinging to
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  Speaker 1: his innocence, his plea of innocence. And you know why,
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  Speaker 1: it's a legal tactic. If he were to admit, right there, judge,
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  Speaker 1: I did it. I was out of my mind on opioids.
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  Speaker 1: I can hardly remember it. I torture myself day and night.
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  Speaker 1: Please have mercy on me. No, he never did that. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: he clung to his insistence on innocence because when this
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  Speaker 1: guides to appeal, and yes, it will go on appeal.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the grounds yet, God some ideas, but
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  Speaker 1: it will go up on appeal. And if he were
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  Speaker 1: to admit guilt, it would most likely hurt his chances
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  Speaker 1: on appeal. That's why he did not come clean in
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  Speaker 1: front of the judge. It was an amazing moment in
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  Speaker 1: the courtroom. And I've had a lot of respect for
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  Speaker 1: a lot of judges over the years, but I've got
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  Speaker 1: to tell you hearing Judge Newman in that sentencing made
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  Speaker 1: me respect the bench as much as I ever have,
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  Speaker 1: if not more. No vicious cuts at anyone's expense, just
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  Speaker 1: laying out the facts. He talked about having to take
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  Speaker 1: the grandfather's portrait down out of the courtroom to hear
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  Speaker 1: this case. He talked about the legal dynasty of the Murdoch's,
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  Speaker 1: how his father, his grandfather had prosecuted cases in this courtroom,
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  Speaker 1: alluding to the embarrassment and the shame that Murdoch has
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  Speaker 1: brought upon his family. He talked about what wonderful people
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  Speaker 1: Maggie he was, and how Paul was probably the one
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  Speaker 1: Murdoch loved so dearly, but even now Murdoch never broke
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  Speaker 1: with his mantra I am innocent. In the end, the
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  Speaker 1: judge says, our business is done here, and he banged
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  Speaker 1: that gabble and everybody started moving. I want you, for
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  Speaker 1: anyone that has missed it, to hear just some of
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  Speaker 1: what the judge said. Take a listen to this. This
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  Speaker 1: has been perhaps one of the most troubling cases, not
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  Speaker 1: just for me as a judge, for the stage, for
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  Speaker 1: the defense team, but for all of the citizens in
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  Speaker 1: this community, all the citizens in the state. Wife who's
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  Speaker 1: been killed, murdered, a son, savage, savage, savagely murdered, a lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: a person from a respected family who has controlled justice
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  Speaker 1: in this community for over a century. It's also particularly troubling,
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  Speaker 1: mister Murdock, because you've practiced law before me, and it
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  Speaker 1: was especially heartbreaking for me to see you gone go
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  Speaker 1: in the media from being a grieving father who lost
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  Speaker 1: a wife and a son to being the person and
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  Speaker 1: died and convicted of killing them. You know the way
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  Speaker 1: the judge laid that out, basically chronically, in his own
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  Speaker 1: calm way. Alex Murdog's fall from grace, and he was graced.
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  Speaker 1: He had every blessing. You can't imagine a wife that
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  Speaker 1: was faithful, that raised his sons, two sons that have
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  Speaker 1: their lives in front of them, three not one, not two,
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  Speaker 1: but three beautiful homes, life handed to him on a
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  Speaker 1: silver platter. The judge chronicled it all before handing down
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  Speaker 1: a sentence. We are expecting the attorney general out and
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  Speaker 1: the lead prosecutor will be joining us, along with the
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  Speaker 1: sheriff that walked Murdog out of the courthouse and the
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  Speaker 1: clerk that had to stand up and read that jury's decision.
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  Speaker 1: They will all be joining us there coming out of
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  Speaker 1: the courthouse, and we'll take you to them live the
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  Speaker 1: minute we get them. Right now, I want you to
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  Speaker 1: hear our cut eleven, when Murdog given an opportunity by
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  Speaker 1: the judge to make peace. And I gotta tell you
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  Speaker 1: one of the most chilling moments was when the judge
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  Speaker 1: and Christine try to find this if you can, looked
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  Speaker 1: at Murdock and said, I imagine that Paul and Maggie
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  Speaker 1: visit you every night and your dreams. I'm telling you,
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  Speaker 1: a chill went down my spine. I wonder if that's true.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if Murdog does dream of them or does
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  Speaker 1: he only dream of himself and cannoye in scheme about
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  Speaker 1: how he's going to get out of this. But I
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  Speaker 1: want you to hear when given the opportunity to ask
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  Speaker 1: for mercy, to apologize for the pain, the wake of
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  Speaker 1: pain he has left behind him like a speedboat. It's
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  Speaker 1: not what he did. Take a Listen to Murdoch speaking
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  Speaker 1: in court. The defendant would like to address the courtot Murdoch,
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  Speaker 1: good morning. I'm innocent. I would never hurt my wife, Maggie,
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  Speaker 1: and I would never hurt my son Pau. Paul, thank you,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. He said the same thing again with me
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  Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what we
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  Speaker 1: are hearing and what has just happened in this courtroom.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think one of the biggest factors was
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  Speaker 1: not only the defendant obviously lying on the stand getting
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  Speaker 1: caught in his tangled web of lies, and I was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott morgun Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of
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  Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet and Star Bodybacks, who just got Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: and more important to me, are very thoughtful and considered
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  Speaker 1: death investigator, not just rushing into a scene but studying
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  Speaker 1: it carefully, which is required in cases like this. I
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  Speaker 1: agree with many others that have stated Maggie and Paul spoke.
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  Speaker 1: I don't say the grave because I don't believe that
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  Speaker 1: we stay in the grave. They spoke from beyond through
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  Speaker 1: the evidence left behind. What say you, Morgan, Yeah, they do, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: And it's very cliche for me to say this, but
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  Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and say it. You know, those that
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  Speaker 1: work in our field and forensics, and particularly my field
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  Speaker 1: of medically the death investigation near the old Padage that
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  Speaker 1: we speak for those that can no longer speak for themselves. However,
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  Speaker 1: in this case, that evidence that was conjured up relative
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  Speaker 1: to Paul and Maggie, all that remained of them. We
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  Speaker 1: heard those descriptors from the scene, how horrific this was.
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  Speaker 1: They did speak, they spoke loudly, and you know what
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  Speaker 1: really kind of got to me. I was I was
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  Speaker 1: a bit lighthearted when I was signing on the point,
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  Speaker 1: getting ready to chat with you and really looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to it. And I got to tell you, I've had
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  Speaker 1: kind of a cloud come over me now after hearing
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  Speaker 1: Judge Newman, because you know what he was talking about
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  Speaker 1: in a small southern town like this, this was a
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  Speaker 1: death in the community, This was a death in that
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  Speaker 1: broader family there. You know, he talked about this horrible
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  Speaker 1: act that this man has committed and part of that
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  Speaker 1: community has died, and it was very sad. You could
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  Speaker 1: hear that sadness in in his voice, and you could
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  Speaker 1: also hear his admonishment, almost in a fatherly like way,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just grieving. It's heart's broken. I think that
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  Speaker 1: he had to preside over this, and I don't know
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  Speaker 1: right now. I don't know what they would say, but
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  Speaker 1: I think that some justice, some measure of justice, has
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  Speaker 1: been served for Maggan part. Another thing is the blood
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  Speaker 1: doesn't likee blood spatter doesn't lie. Ballistics don't lie, they
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  Speaker 1: can't be cross examined. They tell the truth hard at
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  Speaker 1: data like cell phone geopositioning, carnap, it doesn't lie. But
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you aside from all of that evidence,
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  Speaker 1: when Miss Shelley took the stand and broke down in tears,
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  Speaker 1: afraid she's going to lose her job for testifying, I
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  Speaker 1: guesst Alex Murdock. Remember she was the caretaker for Murdock's mother,
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  Speaker 1: and Murdike came to her and asked her, and not
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  Speaker 1: so many words, to lie about his alibi. She didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to do it. She was so upset. She called
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  Speaker 1: her brother, who was chief of police nearby, upset about
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  Speaker 1: what Murdoke had done. And it just hammered into me,
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  Speaker 1: Chris McDonough, the haves and the have knocks. She was
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  Speaker 1: afraid she was going to lose her job, and she
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  Speaker 1: took the stand anyway, and she told the truth. And
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  Speaker 1: you could tell she did not want to testify against Murdoca,
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  Speaker 1: but she did it. She told the truth and that
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  Speaker 1: hurt me to see her in that position. Do you
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  Speaker 1: remember that, Chris, I do, I do, Nancy? And you
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  Speaker 1: know what that drive home just on what we heard
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  Speaker 1: Judge Newman also talk about not only the intimidation factor
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  Speaker 1: to that wonderful human being that we're talking about, Michelle.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she follows a moral compass. And I had
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  Speaker 1: the impression listened to the judge today as almost as
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  Speaker 1: if we were all listening at a pew somewhere on
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  Speaker 1: a sermon on good versus evil. And what I heard
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  Speaker 1: very clearly the judge say, is the monster within is
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  Speaker 1: who he was talking to within Alec Murdoch. As well
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  Speaker 1: as the fact that his family oversaw cases where less
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  Speaker 1: than what he was facing, i e. The death penalty
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  Speaker 1: people went to prison for it was that? Was that
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  Speaker 1: a signal that, you know, to the law enforcement authorities
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  Speaker 1: to take a look, go back, see the miss Shelley's
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  Speaker 1: of the world, see if there is injustice. Additionally, here somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: I just thought that was a very compelling statement to
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  Speaker 1: make during the sentencing. Here I wish, oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: I wish you could be here with us right now.
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  Speaker 1: There are so many people on the lawn of this courthouse.
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  Speaker 1: It's like they it's hard to take in that it
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  Speaker 1: really happened, that he has really been found guilty. I
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  Speaker 1: had so many people come up to me while I
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  Speaker 1: was here, up to our tent out here in the
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  Speaker 1: sun and the rain and the wind, and say, we
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  Speaker 1: know he did it, but he's going to get away
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  Speaker 1: with it because he's a murdoch. I can't tell you
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  Speaker 1: how many people came up in all walks of life, bankers, teachers,
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  Speaker 1: retired principles, people that work in the food trucks around
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  Speaker 1: the courthouse. Nobody could believe he would really be convicted.
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  Speaker 1: People are just milling around. They can't really take in
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  Speaker 1: that it's happened. Again. As soon as the defense team
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  Speaker 1: comes out, we are expecting them to make a statement
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  Speaker 1: as well as well. You know, the judge went on
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it. At one point I snapped two
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  Speaker 1: attention when he said, you know what, the man that
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  Speaker 1: committed these murders may not have been you. Maybe it
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  Speaker 1: was you on thirty forty fifty opioid pills the other you.
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  Speaker 1: And that's something that you can figure out in the
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  Speaker 1: penal system. But I've got to tell you something just
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  Speaker 1: got Morgan when he addressed and he wasn't reading this.
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  Speaker 1: It's just eloquent. And I've never seen a sentence handed
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  Speaker 1: down like this in my wife, and I've seen a
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  Speaker 1: lot of sentences. But when he looked at dal and
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  Speaker 1: talked about how he the judge believes Murdoch is visited
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  Speaker 1: at night by Paul and Maggie, that would stop anybody
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  Speaker 1: in their tracks, Jo Scott. Yeah. And then and there
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  Speaker 1: was not one ounce of nutrition fancy on this man's face,
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  Speaker 1: you know when he's he's faced with that. And look,
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  Speaker 1: I know what you were saying, that there's a there's
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  Speaker 1: a a method to this going forward on appeal. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the face of that, when you think
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  Speaker 1: about what the judge, you know, the judges he's had
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  Speaker 1: to sit for Charles not like this, but he's had
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  Speaker 1: to determine at the end of the day, what's going
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  Speaker 1: to happen to somebody and their life moving forward. He
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  Speaker 1: knows this, he knows this territory. This is not new
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  Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, and he sat there and he offered
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  Speaker 1: he offered him an opportunity to hold forth at that
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  Speaker 1: moment in Tom and you mentioned throwing himself on the
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  Speaker 1: mercy of the court, and he failed miserably in that,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And to think now he's sitting back in
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  Speaker 1: a cell somewhere, and a holding cell in that little courthouse.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to take him the Sheriff's office probably, and
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  Speaker 1: they'll hold him there for a while, and he's going
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  Speaker 1: to be alone, hearing the echoes of those doors shut
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  Speaker 1: behind them, those steel doors, and they'll pass him a
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  Speaker 1: malooney sandwich probably. He's not going to be eating on
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  Speaker 1: the court affair that he's used to now, and he's
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  Speaker 1: going to have a lot of thinking to do, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of thinking because if he's at the end, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you think about it, Joe Scott, it's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit like Scott Peterson who could never ever break down
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  Speaker 1: and admit guilt because his mother, his father, his family
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  Speaker 1: were all right behind him on the front pew every
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  Speaker 1: day that he could not admit. Lloyd murder cannot admit
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  Speaker 1: to his family and his constituents that he did this thing. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: following up on what Joe Scott and I were just
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  Speaker 1: talking about, I want you to hear our cut fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: For those of you that missed it, I will never
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  Speaker 1: forget it. Listen to the judge. You know your license
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  Speaker 1: to practice law has been stripped, and now have an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to make your final appeal as a as an
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  Speaker 1: ex lawyer. Good again, I'm statis Cordie, but I'm interested.
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  Speaker 1: I would never, under any circumstances hurt my wife Maggie,
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  Speaker 1: and I would never, under any circumstances hurt my son Mobah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: and it might not have been you. It might have
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  Speaker 1: been the monster you become when you take fifteen, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty,
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  Speaker 1: sixty or pio appeals. Maybe you become another person. I've
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  Speaker 1: seen that before. The person standing before me was not
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  Speaker 1: the person who committed the crime, though it's the same
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  Speaker 1: individual you know. To doctor Michelle Dupree, this is her jurisdiction. Pathologists,
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  Speaker 1: medical examiner, author, former detective. Opioids or really many type
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  Speaker 1: of drugs can do that to you where you become
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  Speaker 1: a completely different person, Doctor Dufree. You and I went
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  Speaker 1: out on the water to see where that boat crash
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  Speaker 1: claimed Mallory Beaches life. And it was the same thing
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  Speaker 1: with Paul. Remember, his friends even gave him an alter
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  Speaker 1: ego name because he would turn into another person when
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  Speaker 1: he drank same thing with the father. That's right, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: They gave him the nickname of Timmy. And yes, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that can definitely change someone's personality. It can make them
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  Speaker 1: do things that they would not ordinarily do. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps that is what happened in this case. But when
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  Speaker 1: he was on a stand and he continued to lie
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  Speaker 1: and continue to lie and continue to lie, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that was opioids talking. And remember when he was interviewed,
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  Speaker 1: he was very crafty. He calculated his answers, he made
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  Speaker 1: his answers fit the evidence that the state had. That's
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  Speaker 1: someone who's thinking pretty logically. In my book, to Deal
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  Speaker 1: Carson high profile lawyer joining US Sun Jackson will former
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  Speaker 1: fed with the FBI and author deal. Could you explain
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  Speaker 1: why legally he would not admit he did it just
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  Speaker 1: in case he gets a new trial or a reversal
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  Speaker 1: in a new trial that could be brought in potentially. Well,
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  Speaker 1: keep in mind that the public courts, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: work within the corners of the documents that were produced
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  Speaker 1: during the actual trial, so they'll have transcripts to look at.
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  Speaker 1: They won't be able to look at the witnesses or
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  Speaker 1: anyone they're going to read that transcript. And if he
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  Speaker 1: were to admit that he was actually culpable he did this,
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  Speaker 1: he would lose basically his ability to appeal. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the issues that is present in a potential appeal
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  Speaker 1: is the fact that a juror was removed during the
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  Speaker 1: course of the trial, and that's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: big deal if in fact she was leaning toward a
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  Speaker 1: hung jury or an acquittal. So we've yet to see
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  Speaker 1: where this is going to go ultimately, but I was
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  Speaker 1: really impressed by the judge as you were. One of
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  Speaker 1: the things that he said that really caught my imagination
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  Speaker 1: was the fact that if the state had likely charged
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  Speaker 1: him with death penalty in mind, this court would likely
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  Speaker 1: have convicted him, and that was surprising to me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't disagree with the judge. I don't disagree
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  Speaker 1: at all. Guys, in our cut sixteen, you were hearing
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  Speaker 1: one of the most impactful things that Judge Newman said
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  Speaker 1: out of everything he said, which was a lot, but
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  Speaker 1: so calmly and methodically delivered in almost a fatherly way.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our cut sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: It's already ended for many who have heard you and
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  Speaker 1: concluded that it'll never end. But within your own soul
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  Speaker 1: you have to deal with that, and I know you
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  Speaker 1: have to see Paul and Maggie during the nighttimes when
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  Speaker 1: you're attempting to go to sleep. I'm sure they come
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  Speaker 1: and visit you and every night, I'm sure, and they
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  Speaker 1: will continue to do so. And reflect on the last
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  Speaker 1: time they looked you in the eyes as you look
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the jury in eyes. I don't know, person who's always
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: been such a gregarious, friendly person caused your life to
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: be tangled in such or we've web such a situation
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: that you're so funny into because you had such a
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: lovely family of such friendly people. Guys with me is
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Kelly Ski and Fox Nation senior producer Kelly. Did you
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: hear the judge? He also discussed about how this trial
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and this crime was an assault on the legal community
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and on the judicial system, and how law enforcement had
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: been maligned for weeks and weeks and weeks and they
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong because of Alex Murdock. All this
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: has happened. We heard an absolutely stunning rebuke by Judge
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Clifton and Newman, who compared Alec Murdock to a monster.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't the man standing in front of me
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: today that killed his own wife and son. But when
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: you are on drugs, you are a different person and
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: you can convince every You can convince yourself, but you
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: can cannot You cannot convince anyone else of your lies.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Judge Clifton Newman also went on to say that this
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: is heartbreaking. Alec Murdoch has tried cases in front of him,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: they have a relationship, and again it's a stain on
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the legal community. Something else that Judge Clifton Newman said
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: was that Alec Murdock and his family have sentenced people
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to death or they've you know, they've tried death penalty
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: cases on a lot less evidence than that, and I
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: think that is very very powerful. He also said, Alex Murdoch,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: what did you mean when you said, oh, the tangled
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: web we weave? And Alec Murdoch said, once I lied,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I continue to lie, and Judge Clifton Newman shot back with,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: well when did the lies end? Guys? I see them
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: preparing a podium with I don't know, fifteen microphones to
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: hear what in the world the defense is going to say?
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I expect the whole defense team to be there minus one,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: and that is Alex Murdock. Let's go to the presser now.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: My name is Mark Keel for the South Carol Law
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Enforcement Division otherwise known as SLED. For those of y'all
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: in the local media, you know, I don't do very
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: many press offices. I've been chief of SLED for twelve
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: years and I've only done two. The last one I
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: did was in June twenty one to talk about significant
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: violet crime that's just been unprecedented in our state. But
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: today it's important for me to speak out. It's important
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: because of the victims in this case. It's important because
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul cannot. I want to make one thing
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: clear to everybody. There are no winners today. I have
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: a truly humbling risk posibility as being chief of SLED.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I lead a dedicated and professional group of investigators, forensic scientists,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: as support personnel, a staff at worked day in and
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: day out for days just like today to bring justice
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: for victims. And today is not the end. It's the
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: next step in a long road to justice for every
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: person who has been victimized by Alex Murlock. Alex Murlock
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: has now been rightfully found guilty of murdering his wife,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul. He was found guilty because he was guilty,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and as one of the witnesses said, Paul was a
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: little detective. This case served notice to anyone who aided
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: or assisted Alex Murdoch in committing any crime that justice
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: will be sought. This was an incredible effort by SLID,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: our local and federal partners, and our partners at an
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Attorney General's office, and I want to fact Attorney General
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Wilson and all of his prosecutors, paralegals and all of
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: his support personnel as well. They did a fantastic job.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: The agents and prosecutors who work this case of sacrifice
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: countless moments from their own families to ensure that a
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: person responsible for the murders of Maggie and Paul was
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: fairly tried and brought to justice. The people who work
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: this case do it because they are called to serve.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: They do it to bring a voice to the voiceless,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: and they are dedicated public servants and for that I'm grateful.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: SLED agents have worked tirelessly for the past twenty one
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: months to ensure justice was Sir, for Maggie and Paul.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: It is impossible for most people to understand the countless
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: hours of hard work that went into this case, time
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: away from families, miss birthdays, miss holidays, and it is
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: all done under constant scrutiny, constant pressure. I want these
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: folks standing behind me and around me to know how
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: incredibly proud I am of ms Chief of SLED. I
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: believe firmly in this criminal justice system that we have,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: and I believe in the rights of an accused to
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: have a fair trial. That is why I, who remained
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: silent from beginning to this case until now again today
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I'm here to provide a voice for Maggie and Paul.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I'm here to recognize the heart wrenching journey that that
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: family and friends of Maggie and Paul have endured. And
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I'm here to support and thank again this incredible team
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: of agents, forensic scientists, support personnel that work it SLED,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: and it worked on this case yesterday and today. Jostice
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: has been served an incredible statement and very rare for
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Mark kill the Chief of Sled. As you heard him say,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: he's only spoken out in his twelve years only twice.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: He talked about how his team, the people working under him,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: have been held to constant scrutiny and much maligned. Although
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: we come from law enforcement background, No, they did nothing wrong,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: yet they have taken it on the chin from the
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: get go. He talked about the victims of this crime,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul, balancing their right to be heard in
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: a court of law and the right of the defendant
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: for a fair trial, and says that is why he
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: has remained silent up until this moment. He described the
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: back breaking hours that his team at SLED South Carolina
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Law Enforcement Division have devoted to this case. Weekends, Holidays, Christmas, Thanksgiving,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: family vacations, all sacrificed in the pursuit of justice for
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Paul and Maggie. So many of them we will never
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: know their names, But today SLED Chief Mark Kill honored them. Guys.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I'm being joined by a man we saw every single
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: day in the courtroom with a very menacing look in
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the courtroom, but a very kind nature outside the courtroom.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about Deputy Dan Gregory, assigned to security of
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the courtroom, security of the you're ours, and overseeing the
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: transport every day of now convicted killer Alex Murdog Collinson
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: County is sheriff, former SWAT, former d E, a former
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Air Marshall, and former assistant Federal Security Director for Savannah.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Deputy Gregory, it's a real honor and privilege to have
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you on with us. Thank you for joining us. Thank you, ma'am.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here, Deputy Gregory. I saw you
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: walking Murdog out of the jail last night into the
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: glare of the cameras for once everyone finally seeing him
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: in handcuffs, and I understand that in the last minutes
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: you took Murdog to the county jail. Is that correct, Yes, ma'am.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I took him out with an attention officer the total
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: of a flying to maintaining his custody inside the courtroom.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: That would be on corporate right and off, Sir Frasier.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: She was part of the team that I was in
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: involved in him in the transport of Alex um from
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the sidewalk and from our officers Whitney Colloton County Detention
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Center as well as our detectives losses. We maintained as
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: security of him inside the courthouse and transport him back
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: and forth into the courtroom. Yes, ma'am. Did he ever
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: make conversation with you guys? Ma'am? He attempted to make conversation. Um,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: he's a very joking, casual type person. Inside. I didn't
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: have a lot of conversation with him. Um, personally kind
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: of stayed away from that. I had no use to
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: talk to him. Well, you know what, and you gotta
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: be you gotta be really careful, careful, Deputy Gregory, because
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: you represent the state and anything you say would be
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: taken and twisted and used somehow by the defense. I
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: don't know how. I can't imagine that, but somehow it's
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: entirely possible. What was his demeanor with you and your
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: team after the sentencing? After the sentencing, he was still
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: maintained that attitude. I did talk to him on a
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: personal level because they're in his belief of God and
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: a higher being and that other people he would have
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: to answer to after our life here on earth. We
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: had that discussion briefly, and that's the first time that
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I've actually had a conversation with the gentleman you mean
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: after sacing after sentencing, Yes, ma'am, Well, Deputy Dean Gregory,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I'm very curious, what are Alex Murdock's belief about our
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Holy Father and life hereafter. I don't know what his
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: beliefs are, ma'am. In their mind, that's my personal beliefs. However,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: you know, as far as him being cunning, him being
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: a threat, I considered him a threat since the first
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: day I met him. I've been doing this job about
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: forty years, so I'm able to pick up on certain things,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I guess, And I did not trust him. I took
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: it as a serious job in a serious situation, and
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: and then here for six weeks off so doing that, So, jeputy,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: why did you detect him as a threat at the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: very beginning? What about him made you feel that way? Man?
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Manytimes somebody and you know, tries to talk to you
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: and and you can kind of so I almost like
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: talking to a good used car salesman or or something
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: of that nature, I guess would be a way to
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: look at it. So depud Gregory, you're saying after the sentence,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: saying he resumed his job, killer or joking or good
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: natured behavior. As good as far as he's a he's
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: a polite person, and and the politeness suzes out of him.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: He's um you know, a normal person talking to him
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: that didn't know him, of course they would think he's
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: a wonderful person. However, I think the evidence and the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: South Carolina law Enforfront Division, which I have the ultimate
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: perspect for, for the time and effort or they put
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: into this case. I know they just personally. I've got
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of friends in that organization as well as
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: our sheriff's office. The stuff that the defense went over
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: in regards to making it try to look like our
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: guys and girls did a bad job from the first
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: officer Daniel Greene and Chad McDowell arrived on the scene
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and started maintaining that scene was remarkable. The resources we have,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and I've seen the trump to Moseelle. We're remote county.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: We're sixty miles long, thirty miles wide, and run on
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: a shoestring budget. That hurts us when getting quality people
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: here because as this day and time, it's hard to
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: find police officers and we need some good, upstanding police
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: officers to come into our ranks to help us. We're
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: down now and we're hiring, but the folks that we're
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: out there doing this job, I've got to have five
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: minutes of fame, of being stuck in the spotlight here
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: and it's not deserving. And because the people that are
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: outside the spotlight, the Laura Rutmans, the Jason Chapman's, Sheriff Hills,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: are sled agents. The people David Owens. You know, the
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: list is really, really long, and they really should be
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: sitting in these chairs telling you what they did, because
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: what they did was remarkable to take a circumstantial case
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: and build it so solid that people that don't have
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a law enforcement background, just common sense, good good people,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: not a bad person, rendered the verdict of guilty in
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: this case. I'm so proud of them. Dvid Gregory. I'm
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: hearing what you're saying, and you're being humble as always.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: When I first saw you, I was told you were
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: security for the defense because you would sit right behind
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: the defendant in the first pew, like in a church
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: or a synagogue, that first pew behind the well, and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: every time there would be a break or a moment
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: when Murdoch could stand up and move around, you would
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: immediately turn back with a very menacing look and look
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: around that courtroom. I everybody you saw, Look at the doors,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: look at the windows. What were you doing, ma'am. I
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: have a background and counter terrorism. I was on a
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: joint terrorism task for US at FBI understand terrorism. And
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: in this arena we had countries, other countries across the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: world watching this case at our little small courthouse in
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a little small town where we have limited numbers to
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: offer protection. My sheriff made the decision for me to
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: be in the position that I was in in that arena,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: inside that courtroom, along with my Lieutenant Ruben Carter, which
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: as a deer and lifelong friend. We are actually the
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: two resident deputies down Nati Stoe Beach, which is kind
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: of like Mayberry, and we take care of the beach
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: on the far end into County. That's my retirement job
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: after a twenty seven year career with the federal government.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: But we were brought up here to myself, Lieutenant Carter,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: and especially to be inside courtroom security designated for the
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: protection of everybody it was in that courtroom, whether it
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: was the defense attorneys, whether it was the judge, it
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: didn't matter. We were not there as mister Murdock's private
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: defense team security program. Strategically, I did not wear my
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: uniform the first days. That was a tactical advantage in
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: case we had something go wrong in that courtroom. But well,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: you did have something go wrong with Deputy he had
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: a bomb threat, yes, man, remember that. I mean this
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: case has seen everything from jurards getting COVID to bomb
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: threats to a dozen eggs being retrieved out of the
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: jury deliberation room. You know what, You've seen it all
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: with this case. Let me ask you something, Deputy Gregory,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: have you ever seen a defendant try to escape? Ma'am?
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: In my past career, I've had defendants try to escape.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I'm actually a member and proud to say that, I'm
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: a member of Collaton County's Tracking Team as a collateral duty.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: And when they do it escape, we catch them down
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: here and that's our job, and we take precautions against
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: something like that happened. But like I said, outside that courtroom,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: outside the spotlight and outside the camera view. Jason Chapman
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: our captain, and he's also in charge of the squat
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: team as well as a dedicated group of detectives that
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: works under his direct control, and as well as I
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: rode deputies and even mister Smoke, which was one of
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: our reserve deputies that's out here on his own time
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: to ensure the safety of this courthouse and the people
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: that was attending this situation. We were ready for it.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: We had a plan in place. Our plan worked flawlessly,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: and I worked for a working sheriff. Buddy Hill has
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: dedicated his life to this county. M I kind of
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: cheated him, but he's We had a plan, yes, ma'
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: hold on, Deputy. I'm glad you said he's a working
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: sheriff because I've met a lot of sheriffs that were
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: show horses. You know the difference between a workhorse at
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: a show horse. I'm glad to hear you say that,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: miss Sheriff here is a workhorse. There's a big difference, ma'am.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: One of our other local sheriffs and regards of that
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: statement you just made, a Sheriff for Avanel from Orangeburg
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: County came and shared the bench, the law enforcement bench,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: which was the barrier between the defendant and the public
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: where we were sitting on that bench behind mister Murdock
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: and his defense team. Sheriff for Avanel and his chief
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: deputy spent many days in this courtroom and their doctor, Kensey,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: our chief deputy. Kensey was phenomenal and I can't express
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: enough gratitude on behalf of our office. And you know
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: my partners that the job that they did to see
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: that justice was done. I was honored to be on
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the bench to a sheriff evern Allen. I'm honored to
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: work for a sheriff that that runs into woods. Would you.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I supported Buddy Hill during our last election and we
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: got an election round the corner and we're going to
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: win another one too, and it's going to be well deserved.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: He's a good man. Before we go into a political advertisement,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: let me ask you. You were also protecting the jury
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: and he managed to keep the press, the media and
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: this place is jammed with media. Everywhere I look, there
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: is media, there are spectators, their security going round and
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: around the courthouse. How did you what security did you
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: have in place to protect the jury, ma'am? That was
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: not my doing. Um, I had a small part. I'm
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: a deaf the sheriff and yeah, I'm a little bit
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: belonging to tooth and like I said before, I retired
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: federally and this is more so my retirement job. But
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: the officers that were in charge at was our Captain
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Jason Chapman and his lieutenant David Long, my lieutenant Ruben Carter.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Those gentlemen were outside on the outside of that courtroom,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: making sure that the safety was being maintained, making sure
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: that the media was taken care of, making sure that
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: y'all had accessibility as well as protection at any given moment.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: What did it feel like last night after seeing the
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: trial unfold? You were there throughout the trial to walk
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Murdock out with a guilty verdict under his belt. Ma'am.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I prayed over this. I prayed to give for the
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: jury to have the strength in a situation where and
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard to to talk about putting a man
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: in jail for the rest of his life, but the
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: evidence was overwhelming and they did the right thing. It
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: a feeling of happiness, but also, as we said here today,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: we're still in a situation where we're here to serve
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: to public and make sure that everybody goes home and
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: gets back to wherever their home may be. And that's
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: what we've continue to do. And I'm sitting in this
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: chair while my partners are still out there doing a job.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: You know, you really articulated how I would feel after
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: every guilty verdict. It was not jubilation, it was not celebration.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: It was more of a happy relief that one more
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: bad guy was going to jail and one more innocent
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: person was being protected. I'm also curious about something you
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: said earlier. So after the sentencing, you were responsible for
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: helping to get Alex Murdog to the jailhouse, and he
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: had no change in demeanor. He wasn't crying or complaining,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: just his normal self, ma'am. I had a personal conversation
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: with him. I'm not going to articulate with that personal conversation,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: but he shows no remorse and he's going to exactly
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: where he needs to be at and out of our society.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: And the only comment I have on that, well, Debt Gregory,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. To
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: you and all of your sisters and brothers in law enforcement,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: thank you for making this trial go as smoothly as
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: it did. There were a lot of disruptions, but you
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: know what, it went seamlessly. People on the outside would
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: never know well you and your team, the sheriff's team,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: managed to pull off Danny Gregory. Thank you for being
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: with us. Thank you, ma'am. It was an honor to
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: be here time stories with Nancy Greece. Guys, we are
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: alive outside the Colleton County Courthouse and in just a
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: few moments, the defense will be having their pressure. Now.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: We thought that was happening earlier and it turned out
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: to be Sled, and it's about time that they are
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: heard from. They have been maligned and attacked throughout this
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: case for weeks and weeks and weeks and leading up
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: to the trial. Every time you turn on the TV,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: you would hear about what Sled had done wrong, and
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: what the prosecution had done wrong, and how great the
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: defense was. Well, you know what, I think what really
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: clinched it was when the defendant, Alex Murdog took the stand.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Do you remember the fervor that took over when Murdoch
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: stood up and said he was taking the stand. You
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: could see he was headed toward the witness, the witness. See,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: guys again, we are here at the courthouse waiting for
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: the defense to approach the podium and we're all anxious
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: to hear what they're going to say. We're also going
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to be speaking with Creton Waters, the lead prosecutor in
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: this case, and the elected Attorney General who has been
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: serving for twelve years as the chief prosecutor for the state,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: the top cop in South Carolina, who amazingly humbled himself.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: He came into this courthouse, went to the prosecution and said,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I'll do whatever you want me to do. I'll make
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: phone calls, I'll do interviews, I'll take a cross exams,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I'll do directs for you, I'll do research, I'll make posters.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I'll work for you during this trial. Can you believe
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: that because most of the attorney generals I've seen are
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: quite full of themselves, and believe me, I've sent a few,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: and they political animals that just focus on being reelected.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I gotta ta. I was really impressed with this guy
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: number one. He stood by his wife while she battled
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: breast cancer, and the two of them never let on
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: what they've been through. But to come in and work
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: for somebody that he's their boss. And you saw him
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: actually get up at conductor cross exam and did a
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: really good job of it. I might add he was
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: also the one that did that re enact that had
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: a huge impact on the jury, where he and doctor
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Kenzie re enacted the defense theory of how Paul Murdog. Oh, guys,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing in my ears. I'll tell you that last
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: ten bit in a moment, Christine, tell me again who
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: was joining us? Oh, I'm so happy to have him
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: with us right now. It's Mark Tinsley. Now you all
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: remember this name coming up almost like a specter hanging
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: over Alex Murdog. Remember this that Murdoch came up to
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Tinsley and said, Hey, what's this I hear about? You're
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: going after me on that boat crash And Tinsley's like, hblel, Yes,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I am Mark Tinsley. Thank you for being with us.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: First of all, I'm want to hear your reaction to
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: the guilty verdict. It was relief, you know, it was
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: relief more than anything. I believed it. I felt like
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: when I was looking in the eyes of the jurors
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: that there was a connection and understanding and recognition. You know,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: when you sit in the courtroom and you watched the
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: jury's reaction and you try to see what they're paying
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: attention to. This jury was always very attentive, and in
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: the closing in particular, you know, it looked like there
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: wasn't much that Jim Griffin was saying they were buying,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: and um, I thought it would happen. I felt it
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: would happen. So there's a huge releaf when it happened.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Because you know, I'm I'm privy to a lot of
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: information that didn't make it into the trial. Things that
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: jury didn't hear, the public doesn't know about it, and
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: so I knew what I just well, well you know that,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: just throw me about friend. Yeah. So so at one
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: point in the in the examination, I started talking about
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: these requests to admit, and I knew that Maggie was
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: upset about the lawsuit. Um. This would have been in
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: the fall of twenty and I sent some requests to admit.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: There was a flight of social media um evidence about
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Paul's use of alcohol. Maggie had liked those posts um,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: and so I extended away to elect to keep Maggie
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: from being sued, so that I used that evidence in
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: the trial. And he denied that in December of twenty
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: And there's no rational reason to deny that. To force
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: your wife to be sued the person who, according to
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: his own testimony, was the sole owner of their single
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: biggest asset, Mozelle, you just you exposed her. You exposed
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: your assets, And there's no reason you would do that unless,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he didn't think I would sue her,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: or he knew she wasn't going to be I mean,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: you had to tense Lee because you had a client
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: to represent. You had to do extra you could do
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: for your client. Now, let me understand something. You offered
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Murdoch the chance to do what in order to keep
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Maggie from being sued. Well, so it's always been about
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: you know, the whole case has been an evolution. It's
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: changed at different times based on you know, what Greg
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Parker's doing, or based on what the media is doing.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: And so I put pressure where I could put pressure
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: on Elk And but at that point in time, I'm
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: decided that I'm going to take the case. This is
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: the fall of twenty late fall, so November of twenty
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: and I've decided, I know I've got cancer. I've decided
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to move the case to be for county.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: And because Parker's has a change of venue motion and
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: so I have a lot of evidence. There are a
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: number of issues that you would say, Okay, here's a
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: reason to sue Maggie to get this evidence in. And
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I was trying to use it as as again leverage
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: pressure on Ellick to either one drive him to do
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: the right thing, or here's a way to save Maggie,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: to keep her from being a specter in this circus.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: And I thought that Elleck, if he loved her, if
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: he wanted to protect her, if he cared about her,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: that he would do this. And it didn't make any
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: difference to me. The liability was the liability. And you know,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: from where I sat, he had plenty of money. I
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: didn't know he'd been stealing for years and years and
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: and um converting everything to cash and so um. So
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I extended this way. No, he didn't do it. He
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: turned it down. And and you know, now you said
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: that magie things on social media? What what what had
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: she liked? Well, you know there were there were videos
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: of Paul and in a boat with alcohol. There were
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: there were photos of Paul Can summing alcohol. Uh so
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: those sorts of things. And you know this case was
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: a negative and trust the case and so so yeah,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: so that so that was relevant. And if I'm just
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: sueing Elec, well maybe the fact that his wife had
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: liked these things on social media wouldn't be relevant and
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: wouldn't come in. So I asked Alec to admit that
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: everything that Maggie knew was imputed to him for purposes
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: of liability, and he and it's a way to protect Maggie.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Um it got the evidence in as far as I
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: was boiled that down very quickly. Mark, He is saying
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: that Maggie gone on social media and liked some pictures
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: and videos of Paul out in the boat and other places,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: probably because she was liking a post of his or
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: somebody else's posts that had her son in it. But
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: in those pictures and videos he was drinking and possibly
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: on the boat or near a car, and by liking
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: them it could be argued that she condone drinking and driving.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: And Mardoke had a chance to keep that evidence out
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: and decided not to do it. You know another thing,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Mark Tinsley, is that I had more than one friend
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: of Maggie's come up and tell me that Maggie was
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: very upset just before the murders that Murdock was pressuring
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: her to sign her name on a property that was
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: solely in her name so Murdoch could get more money
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: for the bank. Basically put up one of her sole
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: assets as collateral for Murdock to get more money, and
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: she didn't want to do it, and he would not
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: let it go. I mean she had to be wondering, Mark,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: where's all the money. Yeah, it's not clear to me
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: how much Maggie knew. You know, the bank was very
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: complicit in helping Leek. I mean, at around the time
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: of the murders, he's hundreds of thousands in overdraft and
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: the banks covering all of them. That they're even covering
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: some of the overdraft fees, are waving the fees, and
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: so I don't know how much Maggie knew about that.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I have seen some indications that there were problems scheduling
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: appraisals for the property to get that second mortgage put
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: the bank went ahead and gave it to Alex so
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: they could cover up the overdraft, cover up the Ferris fees.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: This is the Chris Wilson money. Tensley, come on, give
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: me a break. Maggie was not an idiot. She was
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: a smart woman. And if my husband came to me
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: and said, Hi, honey, can you sign this because I
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: want to leverage our house to get a six hundred
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars loan from the bank. I'm like, leverage our home.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: No way, that's not gonna happen. Why do you need whatever?
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: How many hundred thousands of dollars? Anyway, you're working every day, right,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: she had to have a question. I mean, this jury,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: there were so many things they never knew. They never
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: knew about his one affair that we heard about one
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: of reported more than one that never came in to
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: the jury. Maggie knew about it, but the jury never
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: knew about it. I think there was a lot more
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: of this jury never knew about it. Hey, Mark Tinsley,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: could you tell us, Remember you're not on the stand.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: This is not high Tea at Windsor Castle. Tinsley, tell
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: us about when Vernard came up to you and approached
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: you about the boat lawsuit. We said it didn't happen, right,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: you know, I was watching I watched one of the playbacks,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: and what I believe Ellie leaned over to Jim and
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: said when I said that was he didn't say that, uh,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: not denying that it didn't happen, you know, And that
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: was Elik. That was classic eleec Uh. You're hearing some
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: of the recorded conversations. I appreciate it. I would appreciate it. Uh,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: it's it's just a way that he would manipulate people.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: He would get in your face, he would ask you
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: for a favor, he would appreciate it. And that was
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: a form of intimidation. Didn't work. Um, you know this,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: this case took on its own momentum, its own life.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: It would be like trying to stop the rain at times.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: But as you said, I mean I had clients to
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: represent and uh, and I was going to do it,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: and he knew I was going to do it. That's
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm asking you. What did he say? He said, hey, bo,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: what's this I've been hearing about what you've been saying.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: And what he was talking about was the fact that
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: I was saying he was going to have to pay
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: personally from his own pocket to settle the case. And
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I said, ellec, it's a bad case. If you don't
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: think I can burn your house down, you're wrong and
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: you need to get to case subtle. And that was it.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: And we've never spoken since. Why did he call you both?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: He called everybody both? Bow that's what hey, Yeah, that's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: just what he would say. Bow okay. And did he
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: keep a smile on his face when he said, I
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: when you said, I will burn your house down if
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: you don't take no, No, it's sort of it's sort
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: of a sneer. He's he's he's very close. He's a
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: big guy. Uh, he's very close, within six inches. It's
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: it's very close. It's a crowded room, you know. The
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: irony I think. I think Judge Newman was was not
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: that far away when it happened. Um, but yeah, no,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: there was no smiling on the either side. Hey, Tinsley,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: is Judge Newman always like this. I suspect that he
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: is very calm, He's almost paternal And when he got murder,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: like I said, he didn't yell at him or preach
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: at him. He just spoke very calmly. But his words
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: were very heavy. Oh his words. Oh yeah, I mean,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: you know, I've said a number of times today. And
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: I went back and told Judge Newman I thought it
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: was the most compelling and articulate thing I've ever heard
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: another person say, not something they're reading from, not a
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: speech that's been written. And I'm sure he'd given some
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: thought to it. But he is the best of the best.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: His temperament is the epitome of what you want in
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: a good judge. He's smart. I think he made all
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: the right rulings. You know, there were times when he
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: didn't let things in. Even when I was testifying, he
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: let a lot in. But I think that he did
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: a good job. He tried a cleancase, and I liked
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: the way he confronted Elik. It was you know, there
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: were so many people in the courtroom, myself included, who
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: would like to have said those things to Elik we
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: had I knew Paul Murdick, I knew Maggie. I knew Paul.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: There's pictures that float around on the internet, Paul in
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: my boat and we caught a fish when he's about
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: eight years old. And I would like to have been
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: able to say the things that Judge and even said
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: to Helec in that moment. And and so I felt
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: like it was for the people who knew this family,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: for the people who knew Elek did that moment, that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: time that Judge Newman took was special. It was emotional
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: for me. So but I appreciated his words very much.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Mark Tinsley, very well known civil attorney throughout South Carolina,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: and beyond. Did you hear the judge bring up Kobe
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Bryant at the end of sentencing. Apparently somebody in the
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: courtroom got a picture or took a picture of a picture.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Now I'm surmising from what the judge said that it
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: was a picture of the victims at the murder scene,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: because he tied it into Kobe Bryant, and he reminded
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: everybody of the recent multi million, yeah, multi billion dollar
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: lawsuit against everybody who had anything to do with the
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: picture of Kobe and his daughter's remains. God rest their
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: soul when they died, and Kobe's wife got all over
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: them and got that multimillion dollar judgment because of the
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: release of those photos. The illegal, an inappropriate release of
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: those photos that caused nothing but grief for her and
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: her family. What was the judge talking about? What happened?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Do we know yet? No, it sounded like it was
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: an autopsy photo though that someone in the courtroom. And
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: you know, they're not too many people in the courtroom
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: who have poems. First of all, only lawyers and maybe
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: port staff that had phones. But I tell you this
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: speed with which sled in Kylton County Sheriff's department identified
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: the person who called into bomb threat. I have no
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: doubt that they will pretty quickly ferret out the person
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: who took that photo as well. I saw the Murdoch
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: family coming in with drinks and candy, and they were
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: pretty open about it. And at one juncture I saw
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: one of the women, not Murdach's sister and not the
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: girlfriend of Buster, because I know those two by sight,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: but it was another woman with the Murdoch family that
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: had an Apple Watch. I finally got rid of my
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: eye watching, came in with my fitbit because every day
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: when you'd unless you want to de lie about it,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: they would ask me, do you have your cell phone?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Do you have an eyewatch? And the last thing you
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: want to do is get caught lying to a sheriff
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: or Abella. So most people didn't take them in, but
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: I guess somebody got them in tensely. Yeah, somebody did,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: That's why I said. And there weren't that many people
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: that were allowed to have phones, Lawyers who were allowed
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: to have phones, people participating in the trial I think
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: had phones, so and then some of the I guess
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: court staff, but you know the people that work in
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: this Courthouse. The people have worked in this county and
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: putting this case on, They've shown everyone so much respect.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: They've done such a good job. Becky Hill at the
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Clucker Court here's done a phenomenal job. But they'll figure
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: out who did it. I mean, I don't I have
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Oh yeah, and you think it
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: was actually an autopsy photos that's what I thought. I
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: heard the judge sake was the autopsic. God, I haven't
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: seen it, Okay, Yeah, Tensley, I just want to thank
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: you for being with us. We watched you on the stand.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: That's some grace under pressure, and I'm really proud of
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: another lawyer that does the right thing with the butt
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: of so many jokes, and many of us deserve it.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: But when you were pressured, you said no, I'm representing
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: my clients and to hell with you. That took some guts, Stansey,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: thank you for what I appreciate that. Guys, I'm hearing
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: in my ear that we are now being joined by
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: one of the stars, if I can use that word
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: the trial, and this is doctor Kinzie. He was on
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: the stand for a long time during the trial, and
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: he underwent a scorching cross examination. And when I say scorching,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: I don't mean that he was accinerated. I mean he
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: endured a scorching a cross examination. We're trying to get
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: him hooked up right now, and we're waiting for crating
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Waters to come out of the courthouse, as well as
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Alan Wilson, the South Carolina Attorney General, to join us.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: You were just hearing Mark Tinsley, attorney representing the family
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: of teen girl Mallory Beach, who lost her life while
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: being a guest on a Murdoch boat. That son, Paul
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Murdoch was driving, as I say, high as a kite
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  Speaker 1: and drunk as a skunk. She went flying off that
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  Speaker 1: boat when he crashed into easily visible cement pilings. Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Michelle dupree with me. You and I went out on
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: the water to the water and drove very carefully at
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: about four miles an hour through those cement pilings because
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: they're on either side of the river, and then you
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: go under a bridge, so your path is blocked. You've
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: got the water, sment piling, sement pilings, and a bridge
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: over it. And he went flying through there at speeds
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  Speaker 1: I've been told we're between forty and sixty mph on
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  Speaker 1: a speedboat a crash, Filene Nancy, very treacherous, Anie. And
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: when Mallory's body was found three days later, her whole
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: body was bloated from being under water. What was the
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: actual cause of Mallory's death. That's the case that Tensely
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: was repping her family was at by drowning or did
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: she break her vertebra when she flew off of the boat.
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  Speaker 1: It was actually drowning, and there was also blunt force
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: trauma when she hit her head. You know, after you
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  Speaker 1: do so much work with the Medical Examiner's office and
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: you finally come up with a cause of death and
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: you go through the very difficult process, it must be
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: very deflating to find out that there's Alex Murdock trying
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: to beg bar would still away the case and try
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  Speaker 1: to get it to settle for less than it's worth. Absolutely, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: The victims always deserve justice, and there there's always somebody
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: I guess trying to prevent that or trying to mitigate that,
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  Speaker 1: and so it's very rewarding, especially in this case where
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  Speaker 1: they actually do get justice. It doesn't bring them back,
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  Speaker 1: but at least I get something. Guys, we were here
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: kempt outside the courthouse. I see movement at the podium,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: but we're expecting the defense to come out at any
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  Speaker 1: moment joining me. Is high profile defense lawyer Del Carson.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Deal Again, what do you expect the defense to say
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: they're about to take the podium. What he's innocent, he
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: was wrongly convicted, sled did a bad job, The judge
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: is bad, the prosecutors are abad. What can they say?
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  Speaker 1: We vowed to appeal, we are going to appeal. We
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: respect the court and the jury's decision. They're gonna light
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: sho all of that because they don't want to irritate
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: someone who might be a witness leader, or provide information
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: about what happened inside the jury panel, all of those things.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: So you don't want to step onto many touch because
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: that could impact your ability to successfully bring an appeal.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: But of course, as you know, the appelate courts can't
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: see the jurors. So this trial judge is going to
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: be the king of what the appellate courts see, and
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: he's the one who will be relied on to have
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: effectively And the presumption is that he did effectively manage
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: the trial, and as you've said, he did joining us
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: right now is a renowned deputy Chief doctor Kenneth Kenzie,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: former South Carolina Law Enforcement Division Special Agent. Doctor Kenzie,
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  Speaker 1: It is a real pleasure to get to talk to
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  Speaker 1: you after watching you for so many hours on the stand.
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  Speaker 1: What was that like, Kensey? It is my pleasure, Miss Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: It was just my part. These men and women have
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: carried this football for a year and a half of
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: sled agents and AG's office, and it was just time
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: from to do my part. Guys, in the last hours,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: we have heard the judge hand down a sentence of
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: two consecutive life sentences. That's life behind bars. With note
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: for all doctor Kenzie, what kept you going during this trial?
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Because you underwent a pretty scathing cross examination and survived,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: and many would argue triumphed. What kept you going during
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: all this? Well, I thank you for that. I did
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  Speaker 1: just survive. These attorneys are top shelf on both sides,
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  Speaker 1: and you know it might not be that I might
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: not be that lucky next time. But I really really
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: felt to love and support of my team and my
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: family and those jurors. Those jurors, Nancy, I could feel
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: the support from them, and I could see that they
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: understood as I related that evidence to them, and I
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: felt really, really comfortable, and doctor ken Kenzie joining us, Christine,
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  Speaker 1: could you pull up that moment where Kinzie and the
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: elected South Carolina Attorney General did a reenact of the
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: defense theory on how Paul's shooting went down. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that was a moment I will never forget. Had you
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: guys practiced that or was it a spur of the
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  Speaker 1: moment thing you did up on the stand? I asked
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  Speaker 1: Attorney General Wilson. He wanted me to point the gun
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  Speaker 1: at him, and he's a little bit taller, and I
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: asked him to point it at me. So we checked everything,
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  Speaker 1: and I kept that that weapon in my sight the
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: entire time, just to be sure because of safety reasons.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought that would I thought that would get
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: the point of cross saying it would It would hammer
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion that I just don't believe that angle
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  Speaker 1: was possible, and that although I've never worked with her before,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: I strongly agreed with the pathologist's opinion. You know, we've
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: gotten a lot of questions on social media, doctor Kenneth Kins,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: why was it so important that you disprove the defense
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  Speaker 1: theory of the bullet path trajectory. Why was that so
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: important to show that their theory was outlandish? Nancy, I
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: agree with you, but a lot of times, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you bring in an expert witness, they're not coming
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  Speaker 1: in to discover any evidence that wasn't discovered by the
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: original crime scene investigation. But it kind of evens up
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: the sides. I think they had four experts on the
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: defense side. Doctor Rymer was not a paid expert. She
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: was just doing her job, and sometimes you got to
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: dis even it out to make it fair, and it's
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  Speaker 1: at No, I'm not asking you about the battle of
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: the experts. That's not what I'm asking I'm asking Paul
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  Speaker 1: was killed. We know he was killed, we know Maggie
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  Speaker 1: was killed. But why was it so important to the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: state that you did to prove the defense theory on
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: the bullet trajectory? Why was that important? I mean, Paul
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: was murdered, That's what I'm at. Height. Yeah, because Nancy,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: because of their height requirement when they locked it into
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: five foot two or five foot four. Number one, that
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: there's so many variables that weren't considered there. And number two,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: it is so many variables you just don't know and
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: it was very important to disprove that because that was
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: you know, I know it was said it was suggested
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: by the defense, but that isn't the way I took it.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I took it as an absolute, So it was important
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: to disprove that. So by disproving their theory on the
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: bullet trajectory, it would help attack the defense theory in hold.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: I know you were in the courtroom throughout the trial,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: but did you see the defense expert that came on
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: the stand and they had this very powerful presentation with
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: two green murder assailants and the trajectory paths in green
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: going to the bodies. Do you remember that? I do
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: remember it, Nancy, And I was almost tempted to talk
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: about the two utes like in my cousin Vinnie, but
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: I tried to keep it right and honor the victims.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: But I thought that was absolutely the epic failure on
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: their behalf. Well, I gotta tell you something that was
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: pretty slick to reenact they did with that video, But
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: it does not hold a candle to you and Alan Wilson,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: the Attorney General, when you acted it out on the stand,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Because when you did that, it showed in real life
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: how unrealistic that the theory was. And I think it
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: really hit home to the jury because I was watching
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: the jury and not one of them had their eye
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: off you. They were all looking at what you were doing.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: And then they looked over at Alex Murdog like, why
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: did you even tell us all that? Because it doesn't
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: make any sense. So, doctor Kenzie, you've got so many titles,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: what are you exactly? Nancy? I worked for an elected
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: sheriff and I have for twelve years, and I'm the
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: I'm the sheriff. When the Sheriff's not around, I'm the
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: number two man. But I wear many many hats. I
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: still teach at Classland University as an adjunct professor. I
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: provide training in firearms and that kind of thing on
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  Speaker 1: my own. And I'm a father and I'm an outdoors
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: money and I just try to I try to wear
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: many hats. Now, how did you find yourself out at
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: the crime scene? When did you go to the scene
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: in the double murders. I went around the first week
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: of December or it was either the last week of
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: November somewhere around there. I thought it was very very
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: important to go and take a look and get my
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: own measurements, and what, if anything, did you learn, And
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: please break it down for us. You're not on the stand,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: explain to us when you walked into that kennel and
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: you saw where they lost their lives. I gotta tell you,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: every time I went to a homicide scene, it just
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: had a feeling to it. There was no levity, nobody
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: would talk. There was certainly no joking because you knew
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: you were standing where two people had lost their lives.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: What was it like when you first walked into that kennel. Well,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: I did feel a certain level of reverence there, and
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: you definitely are serious. It's not a joking matter. But now,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: sometimes law enforcement and investigators, as you know, you've been
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: doing this a long time, Nancy, as you know, sometimes
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: that's the way we deal with it. But it was
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: none of that. It's just amazing how quiet and still
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: it feels. You know. I described the lead prosecutor, or
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Craton Waters, is looking gaunt and pale one morning when
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: I saw him. Oh it was really early one morning
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: before trial, and I've later learned he lost fifteen pounds
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: during this trial. I was the same way during trials.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: I couldn't eat, I had too much to do in
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: the lunch break and at night when I would get
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: home to prep for the next day, and I didn't
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: even notice what toll, if any, has this trial taken
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: on you and your family. Well, I'm gonna be honest,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: I'm so fortunate to have a supporting family and Nancy.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: This isn't something I just started doing, And this isn't
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: something I just started doing this way. I've been doing
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: it since the late nineties. This way it's worked for me.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of sacrifices at that family, your
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: family has to make, and this has been validation. As
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, this has really been validation from because
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: your friends and family don't understand what investigators and prosecutors do,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: and when you're out those late nights, they don't understand it.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: You miss Thanksgiving and Christmas and holidays. And now they
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: get a real understanding of what we do. And as
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: far as Pale and Gaunt is concerned, I'm so fortunate
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: have been included in those pow wows and those evidence
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: meetings on Sunday evenings. And that team, that team, I mean,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: they're they're eating out of suit cans and power bars
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: and including mister Wilson, I've just got so much respect
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: for them. Yeah, you know what. I would see them
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: in our hotel when we were when they would be
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: leaving for court, and they would be all business. They
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: wouldn't even stop for a free sausage biscuit or a
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: cup of coffee. They would be straight out the door
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: to get to the courthouse, and I mean early early hours,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: hours before court would start to get everything arranged. And
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: you know, when you go into law enforcement, it's very
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: different from what people think. It's very grueling, and if
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: you're dedicated, it takes over your life and the people
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: around you have to understand that or everybody suffers. You're
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: not there for holidays, you can't stay for supper, you
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: can't come home. You miss the concert or the church
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: choir or the special Scout program because you're working. You
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: really gave it. You're all doctor Kinsey, and I want
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: to thank you because in that one moment when you
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: did that reenact, I think it changed a lot of
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: people's hearts and minds. You did that. You're giving everybody
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: else to credit, but you did that, Kinsey. Thank you
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: for being with us today. Thank you. Miss Nancy has
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: been my pleasure. Likewise, sir, guys, I am about thirty
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: feet away from the podium. I'm hearing Christine and my
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: ear Christine, could you tell me again what you're saying.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: She's saying five minutes until the defense takes the podium, Guys,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: I talked to Christine all the time. She's joining me
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: from New York and a tiny little dark in the
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: room with people running around like mad trying to figure
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: out what's going on at the courthouse. Christine even, I
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: don't know what's going on out here, but I'm glad
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: you can tell me because if you could be here.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: They're people and dogs and food trucks. It's but most
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: people are standing around with a very pensive look on
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: their faces. There's not a lot of levity, and you know,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: very often and I think people are actually surprised about this.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: Let me know when I get Eric Bland, because I've
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: got a question for him. You know, jess got Morgan, Okay,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Jessica Morgan. After a long trial, I think you can
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: relate to this. People say, oh, you gotta go celebrate tonight,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: and you know, just so they wouldn't ask any more questions,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: they go, oh, yeah, you know what, I couldn't wait
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: to get to my beat up Honda and go home.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: It was more a feeling of relief, not jubilation or celebration,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: nothing like that at all. I mean, it goes with you.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: It takes a little piece of your heart every trial,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: especially in a case like this one. Two people are
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: just gunned down senselessly and lose the rest of their
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: lives and leave awake a trial of pain behind them.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: So I don't think anybody's gonna be out celebrating and
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: toasting champagne tonight. No. And as a matter of fact,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: mister Waters really really put it, really put it into
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: perspective last night at his pressor panc he says, I
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: want to leave you with this. Go home, hug your family,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: Hug your kids, tell them that you love them. And
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: you know, these trials they leave your bone weary. And
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of people have talked about how you have
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: to sacrifice, you have to sacrifice these cases. I think
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: about the investigators, the forensics people, and they've been all
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: hands on deck on this And can you imagine staying
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: at that heightened state of alert where everybody's going to
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: be questioning everything you do? You want to make sure
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: that every box is ticked along the way, and it's
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: a hypersensitivity, and you know, the human body is not
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: meant to stay at that level for this long, long
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: period of time. You know, everybody that's involved in this
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: probably needs about a three week vacation, maybe shut everything out.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: But you know, crimes don't stop, you know, death doesn't
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: stop happening. You still have to conduct these investigations. And
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: that's why it's such a grind. That's why so many
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: people get sick, you know, and are you know, are
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: less than they once were meanings and it really hollows
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: you out. So if you know somebody that's involved in
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: the investigation, somebody that really puts your shoulder through this
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: form with stone, have him on the back. Don't thank you,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: because it's a hard, hard life and most people don't
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: understand what goes. Guys, I want you to hear our
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: cut eighteen. This is really important what the judge said.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: We haven't played it for you yet, but having been
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: law enforcement and victims' rights advocate my whole legal career,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: this really hit home about how these murderers and this
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: trial have been an assault. I'm not just Maggie and Paul,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: but on our justice system. But there are other victims
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: whose cases deserved to be heard, and this case has
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: jumped some of those other cases, perhaps jumped at the
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: because of this case, resulting in an assault on the
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: integrity of the judicial system in our state. Even during
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: this trial, the law enforcement had been aligned for the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: past five or six weeks by one who had access
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: to to the wields of justice to be able to
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: deflect the investigation. There you hear the judge talking about
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: an assault on the justice system. Guys, I want to
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: go to a lawyer that is intimately familiar with this
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: case who has represented from the get go the Centerfield family.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: We've heard a lot about Gloria Centerfield helped raise a
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: buster and Paul Urdog was the housekeeper for the Murdoch
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: family from Maggie and Miss Satterfield lost her life at
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: the foot of the steps right there at Moselle. A
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: lawsuit ensued and that was one of the triggering points
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: of all of this, when Alex Murdoch stole the money,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: millions of dollars that were supposed to go to the
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: Satterfield family. I remember one of the sadder Field children
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: as an adult male who is clearly developmentally and socially challenge.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: He just can't go off and get a job like
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: you and I can go look for a job or
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: take care of himself the way we can living in
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: a mobile home that was under foreclosure and Murdoch stole
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: his money. Eric Blayne, thank you for being with us. Okay,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: what do you have to say now that the verdict
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: is filing an It happened, Bland, it happened. They found
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: in guilty. Yes, you and I were a stereo sound
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: daily about we thought the prosecution was doing a good
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: job when most other people were commenting about what a
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: great job that defense was doing and criticizing a prosecution.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Nancy Maya Angelo said, when somebody shows you who they are,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: believe it. Judge Newman is somebody that needs to be believed.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: You see what you get. I argued against Alex getting
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: bond in October of twenty twenty one on Gloria Saderfield's case,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: and Judge Newman denied him bond on a financial crimes case.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: Alex Murdole showed us who he was last week, a
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: liar and a con artist, and I see brightness happening
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a little bit like Shawshank redemption. You
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: go through the sewage play and you come out clean
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: on the other side. This judge is a lawyer at heart,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: and I think his sentence showed that he has been
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: mortally wounded by Alex mrdau's behavior of lying and cheating
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: on his clients and denigrating and staining our legal profession.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: And that's why he offered him a lifeline today to
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: show some contrition. And Alex thumbed his nose in this
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: judge's face, and the judge's response was a very medieval
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: kind of colloquy, ending with I am now going to
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: schedule every one of your financial crime cases because I'm
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: the judge on all ninety nine of them. And Maggie
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: and Paul got justice over the last six weeks, and
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: I intend to get justice for every single other victim.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: And it came out loud and clear. You know, it's
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: interesting he did not have to hurt his chances on
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: appeal planned if he apologized for all the pain he caused,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: if he had confessed up, and again, he did not
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: have to say I did it. He could. He didn't
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: have to do that. You've had people saw you've sentence
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: said yeah, you were, You've sentenced them. Nancy, You've had
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: defendants who don't have to admit their guilt at the
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: allocution stage, but they show contrition. They show contrition for
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: lying to their family or lying to law enforcement. He
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: didn't even apologize to his living son, Buster for lying
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: to him and making his life miserable. The guy is
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: a narcissist and a psychopath. And I said twenty four
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: months ago he's a monster, a monar day monster, and
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: dog gone it. If this judge didn't call him a
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: monster today, I mean, he could have stood up and
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: without saying. For an appellate court, of course, they're not
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: supposed to look at the allocution as evidence, but they
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: all know what happened. They're watching TV. They know. They
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: say the record, and it is part of the record.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: If he had said, I am sorry, I'm sorry, I'm
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: sorry Buster, I'm sorry Judge for all the pain I've
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: caused my family, for the lying and the cheating, for
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: everything I did wrong, And sitting here in court has
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: made me realize the way I was living was wrong,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: and how many people I heard, and I wish I
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: could make it up to them. No, we didn't hear that.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: We heard another What was he thinking? And why did
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: they let him do that. I once had a federal
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: judge say to one of my clients who had his
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: probation revoked, if I could give you more than the
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: original six months sentence, I would. I almost heard that
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: from Judge Newman today, if I could give you more
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: than life without parole, I would. But still Newman remained
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: even killed and well tempered, and it was very painful
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: to hear him describe how not only had the murder
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: has been an assault on are just to system, an
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: assault on sled, the way that lawforcement was maligned unrightfully,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: that the girards had sacrificed, everybody had sacrificed because of Murdoch.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: But when he talked about the law and the courthouse
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: and how he had to take down the portrait of
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: an honorable judge so his grandson could be could be tried,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: and that very courtroom for double murder man, he really
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: brought it all home, didn't he Bland? He did, and
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: he kind of encapsulated for all of us. You know,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: sometimes judges are very stoic, but I think this was
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: one of the most heartfelt sentencing I've heard in a
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: long time. You know, he he doesn't understand this monster
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: in front of him. There was a chance that he
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: could have shown any type of acceptance of responsibility for
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: utilize the justice system in a way that it perverted it.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: But he didn't. It's a continuation of this defense that
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: almost was tone deaf from the start, to attacking the
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: police unmercifully, to attacking the prosecution, and without acknowledging what
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: kind of father, what kind of husband would lie about
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: being with your son and your wife in their very
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: last minutes. It was stunning in Harputley and Griffin have
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: so much experience, a wealth of experience, and you know
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: the jury didn't buy it. Listen, they not only found
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: him guilty, they found him incredibly guilty. It was one
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: of the fastest resolutions of a deliberations I've ever seen.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: They must have taken a vote nance and everybody raised
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: their hands and then everybody look around and say, okay,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: we just voted twelfth guilty. What do we do now
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: that Eric Bland, we see the podium there and we're
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: waiting for the defense team to take the mic. What
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: can they possibly say Bland. Well, I think they're gonna
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: say that they gave him his full cup of justice
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: opportunity that you know, they disagree with the verdict. They're
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: going to say all the things that everybody said to
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace when she won her trials. We disagree with
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: the verdict. We think there was not enough evidence put
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: forth by the government to show that there was a
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: case free from reasonable doubt. And they're going to say,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: we intend to appeal. We think this judge made critical
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: legal errors all the things. But I debated Alan Dershowitz
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: last night Nancy for fifty minutes, and one thing he
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: said resonated with me. When a defendant takes the stand,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: their cases are only reversed on appeal less than one
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: percent of the time. So try I think an appellate
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: courts to disregard four oh four b arguments and say, Alex,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: a jury could have inferred your guilt based on your life. Guys,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: we see them testing the mice, and that's exactly what's
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: going to happen. Yeah, you know what, Eric Bland, Your
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: white stats show that you're much less likely to get
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: a reversal on appeal if you take the stand. I
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: mean look at Simpson that poc technical legal term. He
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: got acquitted because somehow Cochrane kept him off to stand
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: and Dershowitz now no Dershy sand dersha Witz said last
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: night that the difference between Alex and OJ is that
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: OJ listened to me. He said, I had two weeks
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: worth of discussions with him, and he listened to his lawyers.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: But Alex wasn't going to listen to Jim Griffin and
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: Dick Harpootley. Hey, guys, as we wait, I want you
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: to hear something that the judge said in court. It's
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: our cut thirteen. And he looked Murlock in the eye
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: and he said, people that have committed less crimes than
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: you have gotten the death penalty listen based on statutory
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: the statutory aggravating circumstances of two or more people being
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: murdered by the defendant by one act or pursuant to
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: one scheme or course of conduct. I don't question at
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: all the decision of the state not to pursue the
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: death penalty. But as I said here in this courtroom,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: and look around the many portraits of judges and other
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: court officials, and reflect on the fact that over the
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: past century, your family, including you, have been prosecuting people
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: here in this courtroom, and many have received the death penalty,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: probably for lesser conduct. Remind me of the expression you
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: gave them a witness stand, Was it tangled or tangled
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: web we weave? What did you mean by that? Wild
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: continue to laugh, And the question is when will it end?
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: When will it end? And it's ended already for the
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: jury because they've concluded that you continue to lie and
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: lie throughout your testimony, and truer words were never spoken.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: What a tangle will the web we weave? When first
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: we practice to deceive? And of all people, Alex Murdoch
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: has said that, guys. Speaking of Alex Murdog, his defense
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: team is just about to come out and take a
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: podium where there's gotta be twenty microphones on it, all
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: wedged in in front of each other and around each other,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: and I think they're going to say exactly what Eric
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: Bland just told us. We've heard it many many times before.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: We vowed to a pill his constitutional rights were infringed,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: that the state did this, There wasn't enough evidence, the jury,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: the blah blah. The next thing I know, Eric Bland,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: they're gonna blame the chicken and the guinea. The only
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: thing they didn't bring in was the dog, Bubba Listen.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: I battled a nationally known defense attorney who said as
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: far as short as a week ago that there was
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: more evidence to convict Bubba of murder than there was
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: of Alex. Look today that he is not only a
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: serial pencilinger like I called him for the last year
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: and a half, he's now a serial murderer. He killed
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: two people, he did any in cold blood, and I'd
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: love to win. Judge Neuman said, You're you're gonna have
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: to spend your life with your soul and then you're
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: going to have to go to bed every night with
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul, but not in the way that you think,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: in a different way for what you did to them,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to live with that. I thought
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: that was just brilliant, you know, Eric boyand we have
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: been flooded with questions about what did Murdoch really do
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: with fifty grand a week? Nobody believes he used a
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: full fifty grand on opioid pills a week. I've heard
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: about private planes, I've heard about very expensive and lavish taste.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: What were they doing with all that money? Bland, don't
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: hold back. I think he's a land baron. A lot
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: of the lawyers in the PMPD law firm owned thousands
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: and thousands of acres in the books and these four
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: county areas. He didn't have a ferrari, he didn't have
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: an airplane. Maybe he was getting skimmed a little bit
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: on his drug money. Maybe there's four or five different
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: people who take a taste of every time cousin and
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: he goes and buys him his pills. I tend to
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: think there may have been some kind of blackmailing involved.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: But we'll know. The FBI's not done. You know, the
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: FBI's a backstop for all the state charges, and I
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: gotta believe they're using their confidential informants and they're going
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: to have answers for us soon. Well, they had a
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: pretty lavish lifestyle, and though he did not drive a Ferrari,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: but the way that they lived was pretty high on
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: the hog. I still don't know where all that money went.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: And yes, we heard a lot about land deals that
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: had gone bad, but still that should be easily traceable.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: Explain to those just hearing it, what involvement is the
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: FBI have now well, I think they are still involved
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: because they just tried Russell la Feed on bank fraud,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: wire fraud conspiracy charges two months ago, and that was
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: his accomplice to get money from the bank and steal
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: money from a lot of the victims conservatorship accounts that
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: existed at the bank. I think that they're going to
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: wait for the state to finish their charges and then
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: we have decup tax charges that he's going to get
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: named for bank fraud, wire fraud conspiracy charges. Drug. There
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: are drug charges that are pending against others. The reason
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: Nancy that they've defense haven't charged them yet is because
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: hart Putley and would have marched them down to federal
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: court and pled immediately straight up to the charges so
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: he could do his time in a you know, a
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: cushy federal prison like Seymour Johnson Air Force Base. But
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: now he goes to the big house where you send
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, the rapist, the murderers, the violent
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: crime criminals, and he's going to a place nance where
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: the fellow prisoners they don't look too kindly at guys
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: that kill kids. Let me ask you, what facility do
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: you think will ultimately be his home Kirkwood in Columbia
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: or Bishopville in Bishopville, South Carolina, maximum security prison. I
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: think he's going to look at a lot of time
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: of solitary confinement and maybe over the years he becomes
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: a jail house lawyer. But look, we'll never see him again.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: We'll move on. It's going to take us a while
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: to get this stink out of our body, but there'll
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: come a time where the Myrtle name isn't there anymore.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: I feel like I played a role in my partner,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: Ronnie Richter, played a role in taking down this dynasty.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: And look, here's the thing from a civil lawyer standpoint,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: which is predominantly my practice. In two thousand and five,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: Hampton County was voted by the American Bar Association as
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: the third worst judicial hellhole in the country, behind Cook County,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: Illinois and Harris, Texas. So you know where we are. Nance. Yeah,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: I know what they say, but this case seems to
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: be turning that around at least a little bit. You
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: know what I noticed, Bland. I know you're saying the
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz and do you remember when, first of all,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: the first witch got hit by a house so you
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: could see your sticking out. And then in the end
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: where the wicked which was killed. Yesterday, when the verdict
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: came down, people are I can't believe it. They could
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: not believe that Alex Murdogue, even though they thought it
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: was guilty, had actually been convicted. They couldn't take it.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: Did you see him shrinking? Didn't you see him like
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: and the only thing that was going to be left
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: was his clothes on the floor. I thought the same
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: thing Nancy. I saw when the guilty and how he
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: looked and everything, and he didn't look around. He just
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: no tears. There weren't those crocodile tears. I just felt
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: like he poofed. He's done this. This mystique is over.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: He's humans. We've gotten now behind the curtain and seeing
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: Alex for who he is. Do you believe that Buster
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: Murdogue will ultimately go back to law school or do
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: you think he's going to turn his back on the
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: whole kitten glutle. I don't know. I don't think he's
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: going to be able to get back in. They put
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: some very tight conditions on him getting back in last year,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: and I was told it was his last opportunity to
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: avail himself of it, and he doesn't. Look he's a
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: victim here, regardless of what you think, him staying behind
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: his father and I understand it. But this kid lost
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: a mother, a brother, and now a father. His family
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: name is tarnished forever. And I'd made somewhat light of
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: it by saying, look, dye your hair black changer named
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: the fred Reynolds and moved to Montana. He may have
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: to actually do something like that dance. I don't think
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: anybody faulted him for believing his father, and in fact,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: I've had I can't even think of one adult victim
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: that ever thought their parent was a killer in the
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: face of overwhelming evidence. And I would not expect Buster
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: Murdog to believe any of it, no matter how strong
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: the evidence. I don't think Buster will ever believe his
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: father is guilty Bland. I wouldn't expect him to, would you, No.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: I think though he had to ask himself some hard questions. Look,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: we go home and we feel the silence of the
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: sleep and the silence of our bedroom. I think what
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: he heard at this trial when he learned, if he
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: learned at the first time last Thursday, that his father
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: has lied to him for two and a half, almost
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: two years, about the death of his mother and brother,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: and he learned about the depth of his financial theft
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: of clients and friends and the theft of the sadder
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: field money. I just feel like this poor kid could
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: be lost. I mean, looking for his identity. You know.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: It's just sad. He's going to need some help, and
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: I hope his family is going to be there, and
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: I sense they will be, and his friends, and you know,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: maybe he catches his footing. Look, we don't give up
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: on people in America. That's the beauty of us. We're second, third,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: fourth chance people and I love our country for it.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: And maybe the best thing for him is to make
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: a fresh break, get a fresh start. Looks like he's
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: an intelligent young man and see if he can make
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: a go of it. He's young, he's got his whole
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: life ahead of him. But it's going to be a
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: lonely life. Guys. Many people have asked, how did the
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: jury come up with a decision in three hours after
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: weeks of testimony. I want you to take a listen
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: to our cut nine. This juror who I watched throughout
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: the trial who kept a poker face. I might add,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: let's hear what he had to say with our friends
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: a GMA. He started deliberating going through to affiance. Everybody
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: was pretty much talking, and I told him about forty
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: five minutes later, we, after all our deliberating, figured it out.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: So it's basically forty five minutes for you guys to
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: come to a decision. Probably about forty five maybe an
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: hour if you really look at everything, it's it's it's
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: all planned clear. Was anyone surprise, Eric Bland? Were you
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: surprised in the three hour turnaround? Shocked? Shocked? Because I
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: really thought that some juror would have questions based on
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: I've never heard anybody say Alex is innocent, not in
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: these six weeks. But I've heard a lot of people
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: say he did it. But I think that there's enough
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: reasonable doubt to make people pause. But you know what
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: we forget all the time. You know, I think I'm
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: somewhat smart. I'm not as smart as you are. You
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: have much more experience than me, and we could see it.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: But there's twenty four years on that jury in twenty
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: four eyes, and they say see things and hear things
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: and process things. A lot faster than I can. And
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: they got in there and they use their God given
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: common sense and said it doesn't make sense any other way.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: Eric Bland, attorney representing the Centerfield family, thank you. You've
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: been in the courtroom from the very very beginning and
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: been part of this story, this case since a way
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: back when Ria Saderfield fell to her death. That's how
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: long you've been About three inches of Alex Murdog's tailpipe.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: I'm one of the og lawyers in this case, and Dance.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. Man. I'll see you soon. Guys.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: We are seeing movement. We see, my dear, We see
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: what I think is one of the female members of
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: the team coming back and forth and back and forth
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: to the mic. I guess they're getting together. What in
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: the world they're going to say? We're waiting for the
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: defense to come out. And know that about four or
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: five blocks away from here is Alex Murdog now in
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: the Carlton County jail, awaiting transport to the prison where
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: he will become a number on a list, an EF number,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: a number assigned to him as a resident of a
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: CI Correctional Institute. I want you to hear again when
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: he cut eleven, when he had a chance to apologize,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: not even necessarily admit guilt, but had a chance to
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: turn to his son and turn to the camera and
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: turn to the judges say I'm sorry for all the
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: pain I've caused. I want you to hear instead what
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: he said. The defendant would like to address the court
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: though murder, good morning. I'm innis. I would never hurt
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: my wife Maggie, and I would never hurt muscle and Pawpaul,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Hunt, thank you. And that's what he had
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: to say. He's still with the Papaw with me and
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: all Star panel to make sense of what we are hearing.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: We have heard from Mark Tinsley, who represented the Malory
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Beach family, Eric Bland representing the Centerfield family, Deputy Danny Gregory,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: who guarded the courtroom and escorted the defendant to his
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: new home behind bars. But right now I want to
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: go out to doctor Michelle Dupree, who heard every single
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: word of this testimony and saw a fellow medical examiner
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: really take it on the chin. I'm talking about doctor Rhemer,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: who performed the autopsy on Maggie and Paul. Did you
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: ever have any doubt that there would be a guilty verdict.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: Doctor I did have some doubt, Nancy. You know, the
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: state put on a very good case, obviously, and I'm
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: so delighted. But the defense did as well. And as
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: you know, it only takes one jar to have that
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. Doctor Rumor did an excellent job, and I
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: am so proud of her that she stood up for
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: what she said. She said, you know, I'm the one
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: that did the autopsy. This is what I saw and
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: this is why it is what it is. And I
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: think that was amazing. She did a great job, she
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: really did, and she underwent a pretty tough cross examination,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: you know. To Chris mcdunna, now start off the interview
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: room on YouTube, but veteran homicide investigator who has handled
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: well over three hundred homicides, Chris mcduonna, it's part of
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: the job. You go to medical school or to academy
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: the way you did, and you get out ready to
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: do your job. You have no idea that you are
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: fresh meat in the courtroom for somebody to cross examine.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: There's probably really hard to number the cross examinations you
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: have endured in court, Chris. You don't Natali your one
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: hundred percent rate, because you don't know what direction of
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: any court trial is going to go. And when you're
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: sitting on that stand, it's extremely frustrating because you know,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: the defense gets to ask you anything in a variety
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: of different directions. And of course, as we've seen here
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: in this particular case, you know, being in law enforcement,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: well you're the bad guy versus the defendant sitting there
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: at the table, and you know that that can take
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: a toll on you if you're not prepared for it.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: So when you do, you know, sit down with inside
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: of yourself and say, Okay, this is my job, this
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: is all business, it's not personal, then you can get
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: past it, you know. I just want to make one
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: comment about Mark Kiel. I've known Mark for quite some time.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: He's an extremely professional individual. He was the president of
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: the State Association of Criminal Investigators for quite some time,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: and he made one comment during that press conference that
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if people caught it or not, but
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: he basically said, anybody aiding and abetting Murdoch Alec Murdoch,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: and he presented it in such a way of I'm
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: gonna shay here, Nancy. There's a lot more to come.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: They're not done. Sled is not done. Now I caught
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: that sled is not done. Um you know, to you
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: you just got Morgan not only professor forensics, an author,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: but death investigator. How many times have you undergone intense
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: questioning after you've done what you thought was your very
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: best job? Countless countless and it never you know to comment?
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: You know, you can't take it personal. When you're a
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: young investigator, you do and you think that you're being impugned,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: but you have to understand. Defense is attempting to raise
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: reasonable doubt and they'll use any means at their disposal.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: That's their job, that's what they're there to do. But
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: it goes back to you be very exacting in what
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: you do and be able to hold forth on the
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: job that you've done. That's why you always strive for
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: excellence because listen, there's always going they're always going to
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: find a problem with what you've done. It's really easy
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: to Monday morning quarterback in these picnic cases. Guys. A
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: name that has been woven through the fabric of this
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: trial is teen girl Mallory Beach, just stunning, beautiful on
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: the outside, beautiful on the inside. A teen girl with
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: her life ahead of her until the night she went
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: on a boat ride with a group of friends with
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: Paul Murdog at the wheel, drunk, completely drunk according to
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: his what alcohol at the time, or so we have
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: been led to believe in the last hours, her father,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: Malory Beach's father, has spoken out following this verdicts. Listen,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: he's flat see justice so long the last four years,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: and so it's an outcome that we were I told
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: you right now, prayers and supports, just asking the teams
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: shooting more victims here waiting, Aggie, Paul families guy here
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: you hear he, Malory Beach's father speak out. Across this
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: county and really across the country. All eyes have been
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: on this courtroom, wondering if justice would prevail. We would
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: hear every day whenever you turned on the TV or
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: the radio, assaults on the state, on sled South Carolina
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: Law Enforcement Division, on the process, on the prosecutors and
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: the works every day, with a horrible job they were
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: all doing, how they messed up the case, how there's
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: reasonable doubt it wasn't there. None of that was there,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: And it all seemed to lift like a dark cloud
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: over this courthouse behind me. Last night when that verdict
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: was read out loud in court Judge Newman sentencing Alex
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: Murdock to not one but two consecutive That means so
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: one after the next life sentences and the murders of
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: Paul and Mackie. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace with me.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: Kelly Skiing is back in the chair. Fox Nation Senior producer, Kelly,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: thank you again for joining me here outside the courthouse.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: I wonder what the delay is with the defense. They
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: have been fancy the defense threatening to give a press
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: conference for two hours. What the defense just passed me.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: They are walking towards the microphones right now, so it
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: looks like we will be hearing from them momentarily. I
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: see Dick Harputlie, Jim Griffin and a few others on
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: their team. There's Philip Barber. They are walking towards the microphone,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: so we should hear from them any moment. They've probably
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: been huddling furiously all morning trying to figure out what
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: the hey they're going to say. They may have stopped
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: off at the jail once Murdo got there, reassuring him
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: that they're going to appeal. They're going to seek justice
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: going over the points of appeal, and they better be ready.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they are that when you sit in jail
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: for a couple of months he started thinking of things
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: to appeal and how you were done wrong. I'm sure
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: they're going to claim ineffective assistance of counsel. When Griffin
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: opened the door and allowed the state to bring in
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: financial crimes, that was a real turning point in the trial.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: Up until that moment, the judge had disallowed all of
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: that evidence the way he disallowed Alex Murdog's affair. But
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: it all came in. I'm sure Murdoch is going to
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: use that to his advantage on appeal. I hear kel
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: that the attorneys are walking to the microphone courthouse right
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: behind us, and there's a huge crowd gathered, some of
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: them Murdog sympathizers. And here they go. Let's hear what
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: they've got to say. I'm Dick Carpillian, this is Jim Griffin,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: that's Emmie Dale, that's Maggie Fox, that's Hollie Miller, and
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: this is Phil Barber. We are Alec Murdaw's defense team. UM,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: we're able to answer your questions. We're not going to
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: make a statement. I know we all don't want one.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: So um, anybody got a question, do you mean mistake? No? Next?
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: Why didn't I? Well, for two reasons. One she admitted, well,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: she admitted she talked to um other people about the case,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: but not specifically. But technically I think the judge had
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: lee way to excuse her. But she clearly and after
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: we interviewed her back in chambers, in my mind, had
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: not made up her mind, and I thought that was important.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know she didn't express an opinion to us.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: She said she was open, she had made up her mind.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: Great deal point about fication as that, but I think
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: there were significant issues. But I won't be addressing that
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: in the Senate unless it comes up in a bill.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to mix this role my role as
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: a senator. I would not do that. And what do
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: you mean about comment? Wasn't it? Well? Some question? What
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: was the question? Again? I'm sorry? Well, you know, I'm
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: somebody that's prosecuted and defended a bunch of death quality
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: cases and clear and do you never do it in
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: a circumstantial case all because you're not ninety nine times
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: I have a one hundred of jury's not going to
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: send somebody to death without I saw him do it,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: he confessed, or you know, great forensic evidence. At the minimum,
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: they had none of that here. Secondly, it would be
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: in a death penalty case. It gives us the ability
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: to individually wade dear jurors, which would have been very
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: helpful here, and the prosecution obviously didn't want that. So
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: I don't disagree with I mean, if I'd been prosecuting
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: this case, I probably wouldn't have brought it. But based
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: on you know, what we heard was presented to the
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: Carlton County grand jury by Detective Owen that Jim crossed,
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: blood spattered, that didn't exist, testimony about guns that was wrong.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, we can go through balidany with you. Going
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: back to his question, I think a SWED needs to
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: do some self examination on the forensic processing they did not.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: One of the things we complained about was the Maggie's
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: phone would have had all her GPS date on it
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: if they processed it within five days um and they
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: because they didn't the GPS date that got overridden. I mean,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: it was just one which would have been helpful to
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: alec It's fingerprints footprints and all kinds of forensics things
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: that weren't done. Um, so what was the saying the
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: question about the judges. He's entitled to his opinion. Ten days,
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: we'll be following an appeal ground. What did you say?
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: What do you believe it's wrong? It round? But yeah,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: it was did admission of all the financial crime evidence. Uh,
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: and that was offered up. You know, I was having
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: us some motives that because he was confronted about one
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: financial transaction involving attorney's fees by the chief accountant of
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: the law firm that was being offered his motive for
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: why he would go home and kill his wife and son,
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: which we thought was illogical and ludicrous, and there really
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: was no evidence linking one to the other, and we
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: did not think it should come in. Not only did
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: that come in, but every other financial misdeed that they
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: could bring in over the last ten or fifteen years
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: was allowed in. And we think that we strongly objected.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: We respect the judge's decision, but we believe that that
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: was erroneous decision and we believe that the judge was
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: somewhat misled because at the conclusion of the case, when
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: mister matters is up on his rebuttal argument in front
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: of the jury, he says to the jury, I'll forget
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: about all that motive evidence. We don't have to prove motive.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: We just have to prove malice, which is right. But
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: why did they go to all the effort to prove
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: motive when at the end they a you don't have
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: to believe us on our motive theory. But by then
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: they had cast Alec as a despicable human being, and
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: that was the reason they offered it in the first place.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: And we think the Peller course will take a strong
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: look at that. We feel like that is a very
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: solid ground for an appeal, and we're going to pursue
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: that trial. Would you guys do anything different? No, No,
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, look once the judge. First of all, we
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: believe if the judge is going to let that stuff in,
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: it should have been limited to the ferrest case, which
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: is what they were asking him about on Monday. On
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: the feed number two, Tensley, the person has made the
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: motion that compelled to be heard. On Thursday, DAWs Cook
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: alex As a lawyer both agreed it wasn't going to
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: be any storm or armageddon or anything that was going
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: to happen that Thursday, the judge might have issued an
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: order which once down the line, might have posed a problem.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: So once they got that character in its information, if
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: he's a thief, he's a liar, then um, he hit dictated.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: This jury had to think he was a despicable human
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: being and not to be believed. So it was about character,
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: It wasn't about motives. So um, as a result, our
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: options were limited. Should he take the stand? Well, you
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: know we debated that he always wanted to take the stand,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: but once that information was in, I mean if he
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: had to take the stand to explain the kennel video,
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: the lie, if you will, Um, he had, but he
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: had no credible His credibility had been stripped away by um,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: by the financial pugs. Yes, Um, if we could have
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: had mother Teresa up there speaking on behalf of aleg
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: ad sentencing, I mean he was getting a double life sentence.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: That that was that was expected. I mean, this was
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: Judge Newman. He has a he's a very stringent uh
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: punisher when it comes to crumps and sentences. I mean
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: that that was never in dispute and so for Buster
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: to get up and speak on his dad's behalf with
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: automated difference. And why do you want to why do
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: you want to put that kid through more trauma than
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: anybody that we you know, you can imagine, has ever
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: been through problem. Was that feeling back a dacking? You know.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: I can't speak to Buster's feelings. I can tell you this.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of effort by the state to
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: convince the family that Alec is the murderer. The family
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: came to trial every day for six weeks expecting to
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: hear prove positive that he killed Maggie and Paul, something
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: that they had not heard before. After six weeks of trial,
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: they came away more convinced that he did not do this,
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: and they stadfastly in his camp and support him. And
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: that's that's that's where they stand. Well, Alex will be
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: leaving shortly to go to Columbia to R and E
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: is Calm, where he'll be at the South Carolina Department
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: of Corrections. He'll he'll be evaluated, that's about a thirty
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: day process, and then he'll be sent to um wherever
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: the correctional facility that that they assigned him to him. No,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't think you know Alec was not
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: optimistic that with all of them scrutiny and press and
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: and all of his bad acts being out in the
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: public and the world you know, media domain, that he
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: could get, you know, a jury to put out all
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: the noise and and just focus on the murder. And
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: so coming in he was somewhat pessimistic. He became optimistic
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: as we got through the process. But but I gotta
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: tell you, in all your reporters, you know, you know
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: the whole story, I'm sure, and if you're sitting on
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: that jury, they heard everything that would be in an
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: HBO documentary, a Netflix documentary about the Murdoch family dynasty downfall,
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: except the Susan no Stephen Smith matter. I mean, so
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: we were hoping to get a jury to put all
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: you know that that could ignore the noise, focus on
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: the murder, and went up trying a case that that
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: they could have watched on Netflix. Oh absolutely not, I
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: mean not outmatched. I mean, look, they won this case
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: the day the judge bought into letting them put every
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: piece of you know, sealing from kids who wants their mother,
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: from somebody with pancrantic cancer, somebody that's a paraplegic I
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: mean all of that two and a half weeks. By
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: the time they got done with it, it didn't matter
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: about final argument, it didn't matter about what we put up.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: He was They would never ever ever acquit him after that, Well,
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: ask questions. We'll follow something, not in ten days, but
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: we'll follow a notice intention to appeal. Then we've got
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: thirty days I think to follow the brief. Yeah, so
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: you file the notice within ten days. You got to
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: get a transcript. Oh, that'll take a month. That'll take
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: muss before they type up everything. And then and then
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: we start briefing. Yes, and argument and the US. The
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: US are more necessary. That's correct, Doyle. Oh, there's a
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: huge federal issue. That's why I got so animated, and
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: Judge told me to sit down. And part of the
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: trial is to state listening and listening, we're asking questions
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: of Alec about why he did not come forward until
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: law enforce, but where he was that you know, at
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: the time of the Kiel video, and that was after
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: he was arrested. And there's US print. Court cases are
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: clear that post arrest silence cannot be used against you,
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: and that, I mean that is a classic Black violation
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: of the Fifth Amendment, and we feel strongly that if
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: we lose at the state courts, we'll have success of
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: the federal court. No. No, there were no plea negotiations.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: Weren't any. They never offered him anything whatever for real
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: killer or whatever. Not our job to find the real killer.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: If they had taken fingerprints, if they gotten footprints, if
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: they hadn't destroyed, if they preserved Maggie's phone with her
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: gps um, if they had not, I mean they misrepresented
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: to the grand jury that they had a shirt with
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: his blood on it when they if they if you know,
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: if Owen had opened his email he says he didn't
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: get would have told him a year before that was
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: there was no human blood on that T shirt. I mean,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: it was a comedy of errors in terms of forensics
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: on this. So do I have faith that they would
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: find the real killer? No? I don't think. We don't
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: know what last question? Last question, say that one more time.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: There was no choice because he had been made out
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: to be a monster who stole from children and crippled people,
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: and his crippled nothing. That son of a little scrip word.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm an old guy. Crippled people. Um, it
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: was just done horrible, despicable things. Um. And he had
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: to try to push back on that. And I mean
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: if he'd left that way without taking the stand, he
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: was toast taking the stand. You know he could he
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: pull it off, apparently, didn't you not asking Christian not really,
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: because we checked. I mean we did focus groups in
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: this case in a county way far away from here.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: Eight of the ten people on the two focused groups
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: knew all about this case. I mean there was there
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: was no where you could go that you could find.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: We believe you could find a jury that knew, that
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: didn't know, hadn't watched TV, hadn't read the stuff you
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: write or the stuff the twitt the Twitter stuff. Um.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: And by the way, one of the good, good piece
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: of information I was this trial was over. Griffin can
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: start tweeting again. Thank you, guys, And there you have it,
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: as tone deaf as ever. Joining me right now, a
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: very special guest. You saw him in the courtroom, a
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: man who has been in the South Carolina Attorney General's
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: office as the elected top cop of the state for
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: twelve years. With me, Attorney General Alan Wilson, Attorney General,
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Does it never in
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: with the mantra. It's their fault. It's their fault. It's
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: their fault. He murdered his wife and son. It's his fault.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: That's what we've been hearing for six weeks. Look at everything,
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: look at everyone else, just don't look at Alec Murdoch.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: That's what That's what we've been hearing all along again.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: We've gotten thousands of pieces of evidence, dozens and hunt,
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: dozens of witnesses, we've interviewed. He's been caught in lie
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: after lie after line. I'm not talking about the lies
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: he's been telling for years. I'm talking about the lies
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: he's been telling from the stand. Last week, you know,
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: Attorney General Alan Wilson did something I don't believe I
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: have ever seen an elected a g do in this country,
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: and I've dealt with a lot of them. He came
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: into that courtroom and he said to lead Counsel Creighton Waters, hey,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: I'll work for you. I'll do what you need done.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: You know, you very rarely see someone with a big
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: title roll up their sleeves and go to work for
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: somebody else. Guys with me right now is the Attorney
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: General Alan Wilson? What led you to come out of
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: your office and get back in the courtroom. You are
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: a veteran trial whawyer yourself, but you don't trial out
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: of cases as the attorney general. No, it's hard to
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: find an attorney general who will actually try a case
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: because you, as the attorney general, you have a huge
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: bureaucracy to run. I have three hundred employees, have eight
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: thousand other cases that we have to manage. We have
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: to deal with the General Assembly, in the general public
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: at large. And so when this case was obviously getting
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: on the national notoriety, I told creating us in Creton,
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: I'm assigning you as a lead prosecutor, but I'm going
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: to be involved in the case from the side. I'm
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: gonna let you run it. You're in charge, but I'm
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: there to help and support you. That the level of
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: notoriety and at level of scrutiny that our office was
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: gonna get, I felt I needed to be there also, Nancy,
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: you saw us at the hotel when you were coming
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: and going. I mean we were living a very spartan
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: existence for the last six weeks. It was fifteen sixteen
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: hour days, a little sleep, getting here early in the morning,
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: NonStop I wanted my people to know that we were
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: going I was going to be in the trenches with them.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: And then late last week Creyton was getting ready for
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: his closing argument when I said, what can I do
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: to help? And he said, you want to take a witness,
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: And so I decided to take the last closing witness
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: to kind of destroy the ridiculous theory that the defense
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: put up regarding the two shooters. So it was my
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: honor to be able to participate in the trial and
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: to help and support our team. You know another thing,
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: Attorney General, is I think a lot of ages across
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: the country don't ever get back in the quarter because
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: they're afraid they'll lose and they don't want to look
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: bad politically. But when you're a trial lawyer and you're
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: dedicated to justice, that's part of it. You have to
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: go in there, win or lose, and do the right
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: thing to the best of your ability, regardless of the outcome.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: And that is what you and Waters did right in there.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: And I know you had to watch the news coverage
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: at night, one magpie after the next talking about they
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: did this wrong, they did that wrong. Sled is terrible.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: The State's gonna lose. There's reasonable doubt. Did that ever
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: get to you? You know, Honestly, during the course of
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: the trial, we were so engaged, we were so involved
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: that I never really I kind of drowned it out.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: It's like when you're in the middle of the game,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: you're not listening to the audience, you're not listening to
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: the naysayers, You're just in the You're in the zone.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: And I felt like I was in the zone with
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: our prosecution team. I could see that in the courtroom.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: And all this time, you've been away from your family
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: and away from your wife, away from your whole family.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: How did they handle you being gone? You know, I
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: really wouldn't give a shout to my wife, Jennifer, who
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: really appreciated what was going on here and the need
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: for me to be down here in Walterboro, South Carolina,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: to be able to support our team in the trenches,
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: to be suffering with them. Their families were not seeing them,
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: you know, so my family understood that. And I also
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: want to say one thing, Nancy, I want to give
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: a shout out to the city of Walterboro, in this county,
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: the the launch Little Cotton County Chef's apartment, all the agencies,
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: all the people. We walk in the restaurants, people would
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: come up and shake our hands and thank us. I
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: want to say thank you for the hospitality we received
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: at our hotel. I mean, everyone's just been so kind.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: It's been a wonderful experience in this community. Well, I
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: gotta tell you something, ag I had the same experience.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: It's beautiful here and the people are so friendly. It
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: reminds me so much of my home in Macon, Georgia.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: Everyone very welcoming, no matter whether you are at a
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: food truck or the hotel or the McDonald's. Everyone the same.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: And I noticed also when you guys finally managed to
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: convince that jury of Alex Murdoch's guilt, nobody could believe it.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: I compared in a few moments too, when the Wicked
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: Witch was killed in Wizard of Oz, how everybody crept
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: out from hiding it went is the Wicked Witch dead?
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: Did this really happen? Because so many people ag were saying,
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: I believe he did this thing, but he's in Murdoch.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: He'll never be convicted. Nancy, you nailed it right on
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: the head the way back early on back during the
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: Boat case when our office is prosecuting in the boat case,
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: people thought that the Murdoch's were going to be above
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: the law and they would get away with this. That's
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: what I heard, and what we wanted to send a
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: message here in South Carolina, at least through our office,
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: is that no one is above the law, no one,
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: no matter what your station is in society, no one,
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: everyone should be treated equally and fairly under the law,
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: and that we just pursued justice. We weren't prosecuting a person.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: We were prosecuting conduct, and that conduct was that Alec
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: Murdoch on June seven, twenty twenty one, violently and brutally
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: mowed down his wife and son in cold blooded murder,
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: and we held him accountable. And I hope that the
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: people out there who questioned the criminal justice system understand
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: that everyone is going to be treated the same under
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: the court of law, and no one is above the law.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: Where do you believe Alex Murdoa will ultimately be has well.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: He's being taken to Columbia right now for in processing
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: that takes thirty to forty five days, and then they'll
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: assess at that time what correctional facility he should be
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: going to. We won't know that for some time, because
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: that takes several weeks. Attorney General Alan Wilson joining us.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: I certainly hope he's not headed to a facility like
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: a club fed where he does yoga and culinary classes
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: and gets a PhD in basket weaving. What are the
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: choices in South Carolina when you've been convicted of double murder?
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: Where do you go? Well, obviously maximum security prison is
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: on the table, but again that is something that will
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: be determined, you know, through this m pricing process. So
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how that works. I know it
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: takes about thirty to forty five days, Nancy, if I may,
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: I do want to say this because one thing I
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: appreciate appreciate about you when you talk about these cases,
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: you don't just talk about the law. You talk about
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: the humanity of the people behind the case. And this
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: case has been nationalized. People are talking about it across
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: the pond, over in Europe, everywhere around the country. And
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: what I want to remind people of is and this
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: is gonna be a Hollywood movie. This would be multiple
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: movies and shows. You get away from the notoriety, you
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: get away from the scandal, and the selaciousness. You look.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: Two people were brutally murdered and then a family was destroyed,
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: a community was torn asunder. I mean people, really, I
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: mean lives were affected. This trial has become a caricature
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 1: of itself, and I want to remind people that when
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: you go home today, hug your family. Hug your family
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: and appreciate them, because lives were destroyed. You know, A G.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: Wilson truer words were never spoken. And I saw you
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: last night face timing with your wife, who has been
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: through her own brave battle, and I agree with you.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how fast I'm going to burn
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: rubber to get home to my children after this. And
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: You're right, it's not about this ruling and that ruling
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: and an appeal. It's about Paul and Ma Maggie, who
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: in that one moment, in the space of a minute,
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 1: came to a horrible, bloody end. Maggie trying I believe,
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: to save Paul and find out what was happening to
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: her son when she was cut down as well. I mean,
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: do you ever sit back and just let yourself think
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: about what they endured that night and listen. I got
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: to see photos that the public hasn't seen, and they
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: haunt me. I mean, it is one of the most
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: gruesome death scenes I've ever seen, and it was just horrible, Nancy.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: It was horrible what they must have been thinking about
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: in their final moments, final seconds of their life. But again,
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: I can't thank our team in the Attorney General's Office
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: and our law enforcement partners for this herculean effort. It
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: felt almost like, in a legal sense, we were storming
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: the beaches of Normandy. This was a very very hard
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: case to prosecute logistically, and I can't thank them enough.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: And I want to say one last thing. People keep
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: asking me, at least over the last year, what would
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: drive a man to brutally murder his wife and his son?
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: And what I tell people is in my mind, in
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 1: my opinion, I believe that Alec, in his own warped way,
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: loved his family, but he loved himself more and murdering
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: them was the price he was willing to pay to
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: preserve his way of life. And that is what I
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: kind of boil it down to you. Okay, ag I
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: know you're headed onto your next big thing, but I've
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: got to ask you a question. I think you would
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: agree with me trial strategy wise that you never perform
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: an experiment or a demonstration in court without practicing it first.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: Would you agree to that ag Yes, ma'am. I feel
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: like I'm being cross examined right now. And then what
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: may I ask possessed you to perform that experiment with
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: doctor Kenzie, which I might add I believe was one
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 1: of the turning points of this trial. That was an
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: incredible thing. So when we saw the defense expert put
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: forward their ridiculous theory about how the shooter would have
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: had to shoot Paul in that small closet light feed
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: room in the walk around him to blow the shooting
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: from behind, I was talking to Kenny and I said,
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: you know, this doesn't make sense to me. We went
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: downstairs and kind of tried to recreate this downstairs in
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: a closet like room, and it didn't work, and I said, Kenny,
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: we need to demonstrate this for the jury. And so
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: we went back upstairs and we looked at that door,
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: which was actually a little bit bigger than the feed
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: room door. It was a couple inches wider, and I said, Kenny,
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: we're going to demonstrate this in front of the jury.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: And as we were demonstrating how cumbersome and how difficult
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: and how implausible the defense's theory was. It just made sense,
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 1: and so we just both agreed to do it. By
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 1: the way, a lot of people think I pointed the
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: gun at his head, I did not. I actually pointed
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: it to the side. I wanted to make sure people
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 1: knew that. And A. G. Wilson. You just heard the
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: defense pressor. Hart Pootlian is not one with which you trifle.
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: He's a veteran trial lawyer. He's won a lot of cases,
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: and he is in the state legislature. I mean, he's
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: got a lot of political clout. What did you make
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: of what they had to say? They were very dismissive
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: of this case. Look, the defense has got to say
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: what they've got to say. They've got to do what
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: they've got to do. I don't want to comment on
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: what they say other than to say it's the same
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: thing that was said in trial. It's everyone else's fault.
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 1: But Alec I can tell you right now, I heard
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: a little bit of what one of the jurors said
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: that what really killed this for them was the Kennel
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: video and Alex's taking the stand and his lies, that
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: it did not make sense to the jury that they
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: were actually basically caught. That that really captured their imagination
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: that this guy is a liar. It wasn't all the
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 1: financial stuff that helped frame for them. I'm sure that
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: he was coming everything was coming to a head that
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: day on June seventh, but it was actually him taking
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 1: to stand and him being confronted with his own lie
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: in the Kennel video that really I think one the day,
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: Attorney General Wilson, I just want to congratulate you on
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: a very hard fought trial, one and we're all so
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: impressed to see in ag come out of his office
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: and get in the courtroom and in the ring, win
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: or lose, and give it your all. Thank you for
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 1: being with us today. Thank you, Nancy, so great to
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: be with you. Likewise, guys, you were just hearing the
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 1: elected Attorney General Alan Wilson. And to me, what makes
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: it even more poignant is his wife has been finding
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 1: a very brave battle against breast cancer and he is
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: in constant touch with her, and together they made a
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: decision for him to come to this courtroom and seek justice.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: Not just him, but everyone involved gave up so much
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: and sacrifice so much to reach a verdict that speaks
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: of the truth. Now, the defense has just taken the podium,
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: and I want you to hear what lead attorney Dick
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: Hart Potelian have to say in our cut twenty. Take
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 1: a listen to what just occurred. You know, I'm somebody
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: that's prosecuted and defended a bunch of death palty cases,
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: and clearly and you never do it in a circumstantial case,
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 1: all because you're not nine times I have one hundred
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: of jury's not going to send somebody to death without
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: I saw him do it, he confessed, or you know,
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 1: great forensic evidence at the minimum, they had none of
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 1: that here. Secondly, it would in a death penalty case.
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: It gives us the ability to individually wad deer jurors,
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: which would have been very helpful here, and the prosecution
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: obviously didn't want that. So I don't disagree with I mean,
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: if I had been prosecuting this case, I probably wouldn't
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: have brought it. If I had been prosecuting this case,
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have brought it, says Dick Hart Putleian,
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: the lead defense attorney, flanked by the other members of
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: the defense team. Guys, the entire defense team just came
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: out and gave their view on the guilty verdict and
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: the sentence. Now you heard Hart Potley in state that
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: he would never have brought the case had he been
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: in the charging decision. They also promise to lodge an appeal.
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: But what about finding the real killer? Take a listen
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: to our cut twenty two. Not our job to find
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: the real killer. If they had taken fingerprints, if they'd
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: gotten footprints, if they hadn't destroyed, if they preserved Maggie's
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 1: phone with her GPS, if they had not, I mean
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 1: they misrepresented to the grand jury that they had a
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: shirt with his blood on it when they and if
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 1: they if you know, if Owen had opened his email
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: he says he didn't get would have told him a
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: year before that there was no human blood on that
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: T shirt. I mean, it was a comedy of errors
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 1: in terms of forensics on this. So do I have
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: faith that they would find the real killer? No, We're
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: about to be joined by a man we've all I
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: wanted to speak to Creton Waters, who led the prosecution
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: against Alex Murdock through thick and thin. This is a
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 1: man who I earlier called pale and got but I
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 1: heard from a super secret courthouse source that he actually
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 1: did lose fifteen pounds while he was preparing and trying
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: this case. Del Carson hold on just a moment. I
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: hear I've got Creton the Waters to lead attorney in
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: this case. Mister Waters, are you there, I'm here. How
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 1: are you? I'm great and I hope you are too.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: Creton Waters, congratulations on a very hard fought trial and
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 1: a victory for the victims in this case. Could you
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 1: tell me the single most difficult moment of this trial
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 1: for you? Well, I think the most difficult moment was
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 1: actually when you get up and rise to go and
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 1: cross examine the defendant. Obviously, that was a moment that
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 1: I thought was going to happen, and I was waiting
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 1: for that to happen and anxious for it to happen.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: But as you know, when you do this job, you know,
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 1: you get up there and you realize this is it.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 1: It's crunch time and you have to get it done,
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: and that probably was difficult. But I think it's kind
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: of like what you hear players say about the Super Bowl.
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 1: You know, it's there's a lot of pressure and attention
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: on it. But once you run your first place, just
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: another football game and then get down to business with me, guys.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: The lead attorney for the state in the prosecution of
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 1: a legal air, Alex Murdog Craging Waters again, thank you
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: for being with us. I will never forget the moment
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 1: just before you started closing statements, you got up, you
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 1: walked out of the room, out of the courtroom. I thought,
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: where is he going now it's time for closing arguments,
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 1: And then you were gone maybe two or three minutes.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 1: You walked right back in and you seemed like a
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 1: man on a mission with just one thing on your mind,
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 1: and that was closing statements. And you want right past
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: all the spectators, right down the middle aisle. You didn't
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 1: give one glance over to the defense. You went straight
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: for the jury. And I knew game on what was
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 1: going through your mind when you were giving that closing statement. Well,
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 1: it was it was focus, and it was how to
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 1: take six weeks of testimony and distill it down for
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: this jury. But it's also that chance, you know, you
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 1: make eye contact with the jury, You get to kind
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 1: of interact with them when you're examining witnesses, But that's
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: not like the chance to give that closing argument, to
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: really talk to them, to look them in the eye,
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: to gauge their reactions, to interact with them, to explain
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: the evidence from your perspective, to try to answer those questions.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: But it also was to go through just an incredibly
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: complex situation. It was a moment that that I relished,
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 1: and it was one that I felt like, it's go time,
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 1: and that's what That's what I did. Great. Were you
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: surprised when Alex Murdock decided to take the stand? Not
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: at all. I think that we often thought that this
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: would be the case. This is a man we kind
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: of know the personality profile. You know, I've done a
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 1: lot of corruption and con man type cases, and you know,
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 1: individuals like that, they've never had to face accountability. They
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: typically come from some sort of privilege. They've always been
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 1: able to talk to their way out of trouble. They've
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 1: always been able to own a room and they can't
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: resist it. They're confident in their ability to do that.
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 1: And what a better example of that could you possibly
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 1: have than Alec Murdock. And I was always believed that
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 1: he would never be able to resist the temptation to
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 1: sit down and try to look that jury in the
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 1: eye and convince them with one last con But that's
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 1: why how I went about that cross examination was to
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 1: let him talk, get him talking, have pauses where he
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: could not help himself, and I knew that in the
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 1: end he would continue to manufacture things. The jury would
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 1: see him lie in real time, and that would be compelling.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 1: And I think that it was you know, media went
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: crazy and they were, you know, attacking you on many fronts,
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 1: but one was why is he letting Alex Murdog explained
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: things on the stand, and it was really simple in
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 1: my mind. You were just giving him some more rope
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 1: to let him hang himself, to just keep talking, which
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: we knew he would and ultimately make a horrible impression
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: on the jury. That's exactly right. You know, some across
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 1: examinations you tried to really control the answers, but that
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 1: was not my strategy. Here went with initially a more
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: constructive cross examination and again, get him talking. I knew
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 1: this guy was a master liar and he couldn't help himself,
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 1: and that though this jury would see the truth because
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 1: they had heard so much about the fact that he
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 1: was not really who anyone who thought they were close
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 1: to him was. And ultimately, yeah, set give him open
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 1: and that's what he did. He hung himself. We've got
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of questions, and this is a little bit
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: of a tough question, Creighton Waters, why did Maggie's family
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 1: not appear in the courtroom or give a victim impact statement? Well,
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 1: I'll say this, this is an extremely complicated situation for
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 1: this family. And one of the things that we decided
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 1: to do early on is regardless of a person's uh
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: in this family, regardless of their viewpoint of the prosecution
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 1: or the case or whatever, we were still going to
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: be extremely respectful. We were going to have our victim's
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 1: advocate provide them with services, and we regardless of which
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 1: side they wanted to sit on, and we, uh, you know,
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 1: we had to recognize that, you know, whatever you want
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 1: to say about this, this family has suffered, and they've
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 1: had to suffer, uh, you know in a public way
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 1: that that just I think, you know, has has added
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: to that. And I think it's very complicated for a
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 1: lot of people. I think it's very complicated because there
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 1: still are relationships there and ultimately, you never want to
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 1: retraumatize any victim. We we know and we believe that
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 1: that we were able and the jury more importantly, was
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 1: able to speak for Maggie and Paul. That's what's most
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 1: important about this case has become obviously because of such
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 1: a unique situation, has become what it has become. But
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 1: fundamentally we can't forget that this was about Maggie and Paul.
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 1: And I know that there are people who are are
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 1: happy and proud that the jury spoke for them yesterday. Well,
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: part of the rub there, the flying the ointment is
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: that anything that Maggie's family might want to say about
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 1: Alex Murdog could potentially hurt Buster, who is also their
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 1: blood relative and they love him. So they were kind
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 1: of between a rock and a hard spot. B Like
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 1: I say, I mean, all I will say is is
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 1: that it's a very complicated situation for all of the
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 1: members of this family, and as the prosecutors, we wanted
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: to be respectful and sensitive and regardless of how they
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: looked at the case. So Cryton, how did you put
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 1: your team together? Where did you find them all? Well,
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 1: that's that's a great and so what I fundamentally do
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 1: with state grand jury and state grand jury fundamental focuses
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 1: on complex cases, corruption, white collar, cartail dope, things like that.
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 1: And this is a team that I've been fortunate to hire,
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 1: every one of them, and we do these complex investigations
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 1: all the time. We have state grand jury terms which
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 1: are actually the way we do it, or kind of
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 1: many trials three days a month from jurors all over
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 1: the state, and so we're used to constantly, you know,
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 1: putting together very complex things. And so everybody brought to
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 1: the table differing skills. They all have differing areas of expertise,
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 1: and in this case, which is unlike any other or
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 1: all of those were relevant. And I couldn't be more
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 1: proud of this team. It was a team effort. I
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: may be the one sitting here, but every single member
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 1: of this team deserves just as much credit and was
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 1: just as important. And frankly, there's no way I could
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: have survived without each and every one of them. So
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: I've never been more proud. And we're also still speaking
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 1: to one another as far as I know, So that's
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 1: pretty amazing to end up itself after six weeks of
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 1: going through this stressful process. Everybody wants to know what
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 1: Craton Waters is going to do tonight. How do you
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 1: get past a trial that you have been so involved in, Well,
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: I can tell you that you know, when you're sitting
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 1: in that chair, you know the pressure of every decision
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 1: is immense, and so it is a sense of relief.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 1: I think I think that, Nancy. I think I'm just
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 1: kind of numb right now. I think that this was weird.
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 1: But yesterday I was probably less nervous waiting for that
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 1: verdict than I've ever been in any others waiting for
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 1: a jury before. And I think it was just because
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 1: we had really reached peak exhaustion and laid ourselves out,
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 1: put everything out there. So and then of course we
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 1: still had court today, so we really weren't able to
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 1: celebrate last night. But I think tonight was when we'll
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 1: have a chance to reflect and enjoy it. And then
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 1: the AG told me he's gonna give me thirty minutes
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 1: off on Monday, So that's that's that's good. But now
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 1: I probably take some time off and see my family again.
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 1: And and and just here's the thing. You know, we
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 1: got tons of other bad guys out there, We got
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 1: tons of other cases, we got present cases, we got
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 1: cartel cases, we got corruption cases, and those of all
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 1: kind of been on hold, and so we got to
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 1: get back to it. And we also have to get
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 1: back to the white collar offenses. Those are still very
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 1: important because they go right to the heart of this
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 1: profession that alec abused and that deserves accountability too, regardless
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 1: of what happened in this trial, and we plan to
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 1: seek that great and waters in South Carolina, when somebody
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 1: gets a life sentence, is that life till the end
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 1: of their natural life is a life without the possibility
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 1: of parole. There are two consecutive linlances here. What does
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 1: that mean in real terms? Yeah, so in South Carolina
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 1: that's life without parole and so and he's got two
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 1: consecutive life sentences and so ultimately, you know, what does
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 1: that mean in practical terms? We'll having those two consecutive
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 1: life sentences and for some reason one got you know,
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: thrown out on appeal on the other deadn't which is
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 1: unlikely scenario, but you still have the other one there.
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: But ultimately that's without parole. Now, obviously the legislature at
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 1: some point could go back and change the law and
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 1: provide parole eligibility for life sentences. So that's why that
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: consecutive nature is still important. But as the law stands
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 1: and how it stood, I believe since nineteen ninety six,
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 1: that's without parole and Eleik is not leaving the South
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 1: Carolina Department of Corrections until he's leaving in a pine box.
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 1: Question to you, what do you see as the future
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 1: for the collar crimes. I think that we planned to
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 1: aggressively prosecute those. As I just said, they go to
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 1: the heart of this profession. We've talked about trust a
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 1: lot with Alec and how he abused that, and you know,
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 1: it takes the profession of being a lawyer depends on trust,
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 1: and he violated that to its core. He abused the
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: system to its core. You know, lawyers can be adversarial,
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 1: but we still depend on being able to trust one another,
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 1: to look one another in the eye, and to rely
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 1: on each other's word, even if we're doing the fierceness
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 1: of battle and that kind of thing, that kind of
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 1: abuse of those victims in those cases, they deserve a
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 1: voice too. These were people that had been hurt, perhaps
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 1: her family members have been killed, They had suffered, and
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 1: this was compensation that was supposed to be for them,
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 1: and Alex stole it, and he did it by betraying
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: the trust of not only those victims, but also the
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 1: system itself. We take that very seriously and there's going
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 1: to be a reckoning for that as well. Crayton, where
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 1: did all the money go? Does anybody really believe he
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 1: spent sixty thousand dollars a week or is that just
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 1: something he drummed up, cooked up when he was in
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 1: rehab over in Savannah or in Atlanta. I mean, where
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 1: did all that money go? Well? I don't think you
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 1: know that. As I argued to the jury, that the
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 1: amount of pills that he claimed to be taking as
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 1: survival by anyone. And that's assuming that you're getting real
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 1: pills and not counterfeit ones that are laced with finnel.
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 1: Because if you're doing that, it's only a matter of
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: time before you get a hot one and all the
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 1: narcanon the county can't save you. But we've found in
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 1: my experience in white collar cases is that's always the question.
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 1: So much money gets stolen and everybody assumes, well, it
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 1: has to be somewhere, But when you are living a
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 1: life beyond your means and you're spending money like you're
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 1: spending it. It can go quick, and it can go
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 1: very quick. And that often is the case. People think
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 1: that there's a chest head somewhere, and most sensances there's not. Well,
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 1: when you say spending money like they're spending it on
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 1: what what were they spending money? I mean, I mean,
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 1: I know they've got three homes, which is unusual for
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: most of us. I know they would take private planes
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 1: here and there. I know they had beautiful furnishings and
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 1: beautiful insides to the homes. But I mean nine million dollars,
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 1: what were they spending it on. Well, here's the thing.
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 1: I described it as an incessant roller coaster or a
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 1: constant hamster wheel. You know, this kind of thing builds
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 1: and builds, and its started over a decade ago. Clearly
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 1: this man had agreed. This man also, who wouldn't concede
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 1: to these jurors that were looking at him that he
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 1: was even wealthy. That even became a point of contention,
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 1: which was baffling to me. But that's just who he is.
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 1: But you get on this roller coaster of constant borrowing,
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 1: you know, interests, it gets expensive and you're you've been
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 1: spending like you're never worried about money, and each as
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 1: each year progresses, when you're in that kind of cycle,
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 1: so much more and more of that money goes to
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 1: interest on top of the fact that your lifestyle continues
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 1: to increase. It's an old adage that the more you spend,
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 1: the more you make, and then if you're a thief
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 1: or someone like Alec, it just gets beyond that. So
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 1: he was, you know, really spending money in a manner
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 1: that was out of control. But if we certainly had
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 1: found a chest of money somewhere, obviously we would have
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 1: bought that into evidence. You know, it's listening to what
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 1: the defense said and their defense pressor creating waters. Guys
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 1: with me is the lead counsel in the prosecution against
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 1: illegal air Alex and murdog who was in court every
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 1: single date and deeking it out handled handling the huge
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 1: majority of the case himself. Question, when you heard the
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 1: defense and their pressor they just gave a few feet
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 1: away over there at the courthouse, they claimed that you
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 1: and the state are the ones that destroyed Alex Murdock's
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 1: a reputation and that you brought in correct me if
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But didn't they bring up a financial misdeed
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 1: of financial crime. Yeah, well he did. And I didn't
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 1: destroy Alec Murdock's reputation. He did that on his own.
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 1: But we obviously litigated very heavily at the beginning of
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 1: the case and followed a pre trial motion ourselves to
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 1: state to seek to admit this evidence, which was very important,
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 1: it was very unimportant. It was very important to understand
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 1: this unique individual in this unique situation. And there's no
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 1: way to understand and to explain that most important of
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 1: questions is that what can possess a man to get
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 1: to the point where he murders his wife and more
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 1: importantly murders his son. And there's a lot of factors there,
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 1: of which the finances are just one, but they were
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 1: all leading to a gathering storm, as I described it,
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 1: a perfect storm that was arriving on June the seventh.
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 1: We litigated this prior to the case. We made the
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 1: defensive ware and the judge ware that we were intending
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 1: to rely on it that there was a chain of
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 1: circumstances that connected together with all of this that led
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 1: to pressures arriving on that day, and we knew that
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 1: this was consistent with you know, even though you can't
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 1: admit this kind of evidence, this idea of the family annihilator,
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 1: it's actually a very recognized phenomenon where you typically have
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 1: a white male in his fifties who's had great success
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 1: and prominence and who's facing break up of the family.
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 1: We knew his father was dying, and who's facing potential
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 1: family ruin. He's got the stope addiction and family violence
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 1: is associated with that. This is a common phenomenon, and
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 1: so Alec fits all of that to to tea, and
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 1: maybe even more so because again, this is a man
• 2:43:50
  Speaker 1: that not a single person who thought they were close
• 2:43:54
  Speaker 1: to him, not a single person who knew him, actually
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 1: knew who he was. And as I said in sentencing,
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 1: let's just chill, it's just very chilling. And it was
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 1: chilling when he tried to every day stare me down.
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 1: As he walked out of the courtroom. I could look
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 1: in his eyes, eyes with the window to the soul,
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 1: and I can see who this man was, and thankfully
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 1: the jury did as well. I got to ask you
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 1: another question while I've got you crating waters. You know,
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 1: the whole roadside shooting incident, I never bought it was
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 1: really for life insurance, because you know, when you orchestrate
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 1: a shooting, you're not going to get the insurance. I
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 1: always thought it was a way for Alex Murdog to suggest,
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 1: or to plant in everyone's minds that the real killer
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 1: was still out there and coming for him. Right, yes, well,
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 1: and that's it. I mean, you know, this is all
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 1: I'll say, because this is how we did it an
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 1: evidence and how we discussed it is it doesn't really
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 1: matter what his supposed intent was on the side of
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 1: the road. What really matters is what he did the aftermath,
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 1: and that's of course, to call nine one one and
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 1: to tell the ambulance driver and to tell law enforcement
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 1: at the scene that he had been just simply, you know,
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 1: dealing with a flat tire and had been, you know,
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 1: suddenly and without warning, shot in the back of the
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 1: head by an unknown assailant. And that's clearly what it was.
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 1: It clearly was meant to try to create in the
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 1: minds of people, oh my gosh, the supposed real killers
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 1: are back. And that's precisely what he did. And there's
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 1: also a symmetry there between what happened on June seventh
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 1: and what you see happen on September fourth, when accountability
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 1: was finally arriving for Alec Murdoch. On both those dates,
• 2:45:40
  Speaker 1: bad things happen. Violence happens, and I think that he
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 1: was trying again. He had just faced things he can
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 1: no longer deny the law firm. And it's certainly no
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 1: coincidence that within the short period of time the side
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 1: of the road happens and all of a sudden, Alec,
• 2:45:55
  Speaker 1: who was about to face accountability like you never had,
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's a victim again, all of
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 1: a sudd and he's in the hospital. All of a sudden,
• 2:46:01
  Speaker 1: everybody's rushing to his age, all of a sudden, everybody's
• 2:46:03
  Speaker 1: worried that the threat is out there. And it was
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 1: all bs and once again we hear Alex Murdag very
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 1: fluently lying to nine one one on the phone and
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 1: establishing a big lie with us. Creighton Waters, I can't
• 2:46:19
  Speaker 1: thank you enough. We watched you throughout the trial and
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 1: it's a real honor and privilege to get to speak
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 1: to you. Thank you for joining us. It was great
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 1: to talk to you, Nancy, and thank you very much. Guys.
• 2:46:30
  Speaker 1: We are here outside the courthouse of bringing you the
• 2:46:33
  Speaker 1: sentencing and the aftermath in the case of Alex murdag
• 2:46:39
  Speaker 1: now convicted and sentenced to two consecutive life sentences, and
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 1: the murders of Maggie and Paul. It has been a long,
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 1: long journey to this day of justice. I want to
• 2:46:57
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us every step of the way. Guys,
• 2:47:04
  Speaker 1: so much has been happening in and outside the courtroom.
• 2:47:08
  Speaker 1: I only wish you could be here with us and
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 1: seeing people still milling around, people still questioning what happened.
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 1: Happened at the defense pressor what happened in the courtroom. Guys,
• 2:47:26
  Speaker 1: the defense attorney is vowing an appeal, a vigorous appeal.
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our cut
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 1: twenty one. This was Dick Hartputlian at his best. Take
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 1: a listen. Ten days we'll be following an appeal. What
• 2:47:42
  Speaker 1: do you believe in the strongest round for? But you
• 2:47:45
  Speaker 1: know it was beaten. Did a mention of all the
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 1: financial crime evidence and that was offered up. You know,
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 1: I was having us a motive that because he was
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 1: confronted about one financial transaction involving attorneys fee by the
• 2:48:01
  Speaker 1: chief accountant of the law firm that was being offered
• 2:48:06
  Speaker 1: his motive for why he would go home and kill
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 1: his wife and son, which we thought was illogical and ludicrous,
• 2:48:12
  Speaker 1: and there really was no evidence linking one to the other,
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 1: and we did not think it should come in. Not
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 1: only did that come in, but every other financial misdeed
• 2:48:25
  Speaker 1: that they could bring in over the last ten or
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 1: fifteen years was allowed in. And we think that we
• 2:48:31
  Speaker 1: strongly objected. We respect the judge's decision, but we believe
• 2:48:36
  Speaker 1: that that was erroneous decision. Guys, an erroneous decision. This
• 2:48:42
  Speaker 1: is less than twenty four hours after the jury verdict.
• 2:48:45
  Speaker 1: But I believe him in the sense that they will appeal,
• 2:48:49
  Speaker 1: joining me as a veteran trial lawyer, Dale Carson joining
• 2:48:53
  Speaker 1: us out of Jacksonville, former fed with the FBI. What
• 2:48:56
  Speaker 1: do you think will be their strongest point on appeal? Well,
• 2:48:59
  Speaker 1: I mean the character Evans say is an issue here.
• 2:49:03
  Speaker 1: Did they destroy his character in such an effective way
• 2:49:06
  Speaker 1: that there was no way for anyone to believe his testimony?
• 2:49:10
  Speaker 1: And clearly when he testified on stand, there were certain
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 1: characteristics that seemed to not be someone who's telling the truth.
• 2:49:19
  Speaker 1: But there are two other points, you know, One is
• 2:49:23
  Speaker 1: that when he testified. There were a number of occasions
• 2:49:29
  Speaker 1: during the testimony where the jurors could watch his reaction
• 2:49:33
  Speaker 1: to questions that were put to him by the prosecutor,
• 2:49:37
  Speaker 1: and it was clear that he was not responding properly
• 2:49:42
  Speaker 1: and in a way that was disconnected from the truth.
• 2:49:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, he never really answered many of the questions.
• 2:49:49
  Speaker 1: So the other point here is that when they appeal
• 2:49:53
  Speaker 1: the case, they have the issue of the juror who
• 2:49:56
  Speaker 1: was removed, and they also have the other issue of
• 2:50:01
  Speaker 1: presenting that character evidence which made his testimony irrelevant ultimately.
• 2:50:08
  Speaker 1: But I would look for the appeal to come quickly
• 2:50:11
  Speaker 1: and to ultimately not be supported by the appellate courts
• 2:50:16
  Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. This was an excellent trial
• 2:50:20
  Speaker 1: judge who watched the evidence as it came in and
• 2:50:23
  Speaker 1: made informed decisions about whether or not the government should
• 2:50:27
  Speaker 1: be allowed to present it. And it seemed to me
• 2:50:30
  Speaker 1: his rulings were appropriate given the circumstances, well as far
• 2:50:35
  Speaker 1: as all the financial evidence, which yes attacks his reputation.
• 2:50:39
  Speaker 1: Of course that's his own doing. Typically, other crimes not
• 2:50:44
  Speaker 1: related to the case in chief the murder are not allowed,
• 2:50:47
  Speaker 1: and in its reversible error in this case, However, the
• 2:50:51
  Speaker 1: state continued to assert that that was motive evidence, that
• 2:50:56
  Speaker 1: all the financial pressures and as they described, like a
• 2:51:02
  Speaker 1: rat on a wheel going around and around, Murdod was
• 2:51:06
  Speaker 1: pushed to the brink and that he believed somehow by
• 2:51:09
  Speaker 1: killing Maggie and Paul, it would alleviate that pressure. It
• 2:51:13
  Speaker 1: would number one, make the boat crash case, the multimillion
• 2:51:17
  Speaker 1: dollars lawsuit, go away, and it did. It subsided the
• 2:51:22
  Speaker 1: lawyer who we just spoke with, Tenseley, said the case
• 2:51:25
  Speaker 1: was worth a lot less once Paul was killed, because
• 2:51:29
  Speaker 1: then you don't have a drunken young man responsible for
• 2:51:35
  Speaker 1: a death. You have a grieving father and that's much
• 2:51:40
  Speaker 1: more sympathetic. And there were rumors swirling, of course, that
• 2:51:45
  Speaker 1: Maggie was seeking a divorce and that would require forensic accounting,
• 2:51:51
  Speaker 1: which would you know, that's really help point years to
• 2:51:55
  Speaker 1: the fact South Carolina was considering returning to a jury
• 2:52:01
  Speaker 1: trial for divorces and had that happened, and of course
• 2:52:06
  Speaker 1: he was in a position to be aware of this,
• 2:52:08
  Speaker 1: he could all of his testimony would point to the
• 2:52:11
  Speaker 1: financial crimes that he was engaged in. So what an
• 2:52:14
  Speaker 1: easy way to get rid of that possibility? I mean,
• 2:52:17
  Speaker 1: that bill is in committee now, but it's quite possible.
• 2:52:22
  Speaker 1: We believe that it could come to fruition by being passed,
• 2:52:27
  Speaker 1: and that would have exposed him even more directly and
• 2:52:31
  Speaker 1: would have allowed the now deceased wife to get all
• 2:52:35
  Speaker 1: of his assets. Well, another thing, if you look at
• 2:52:37
  Speaker 1: his opioid addiction, which he used as a defense, that
• 2:52:42
  Speaker 1: in itself destroyed his reputation. He did that on his own.
• 2:52:46
  Speaker 1: They brought that in. The defense brought that in, So
• 2:52:49
  Speaker 1: his reputation was already shot to hell of that because
• 2:52:52
  Speaker 1: of that squandering fifty grand a week according to the
• 2:52:56
  Speaker 1: defense on opioids, basically stealing that out of his wife
• 2:53:00
  Speaker 1: and his family's pockets own. No, his reputation was in
• 2:53:04
  Speaker 1: tatters before the financial miss days came in. People who
• 2:53:08
  Speaker 1: use drugs are not predictable. I mean, a normal human
• 2:53:12
  Speaker 1: being is not necessarily predictable, but certainly one who's using narcotics,
• 2:53:17
  Speaker 1: whether elicit or elicit, you can't predict their behavior. And
• 2:53:21
  Speaker 1: I think the judge got it exactly right. Maybe you
• 2:53:25
  Speaker 1: didn't do it, but the monster that you've become is
• 2:53:28
  Speaker 1: what killed your wife and the son you loved, and
• 2:53:33
  Speaker 1: I think that's just accurate as it gets. I don't
• 2:53:36
  Speaker 1: want to go to deep into complicated legal theories, but
• 2:53:42
  Speaker 1: I want to tell you this. It's what's bothering me
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 1: about the financial crimes coming in. Do I think that
• 2:53:48
  Speaker 1: they were warranted in coming in? Yes? I do. Do
• 2:53:51
  Speaker 1: I think his reputation was already shot because of the
• 2:53:54
  Speaker 1: opioid addiction that they entered as an excuse. But here's
• 2:53:59
  Speaker 1: where may have a shot, and I mean may the
• 2:54:04
  Speaker 1: fact that the defense opened the door to prior bad acts.
• 2:54:10
  Speaker 1: I believe it was Griffin on the stand asked about
• 2:54:13
  Speaker 1: a financial crime, and when he did that that it's
• 2:54:19
  Speaker 1: like a vampire. You have to invite it in. It
• 2:54:22
  Speaker 1: can't just come in on its own. And when Griffin
• 2:54:26
  Speaker 1: opened the door, the state came in under the law
• 2:54:30
  Speaker 1: that is allowable. But now Murdog is in the position
• 2:54:34
  Speaker 1: of claiming in effective assistance of counsel because because of
• 2:54:40
  Speaker 1: Griffin's question, all that financial data, all those crimes previously
• 2:54:46
  Speaker 1: ruled out, came in. I could see him having a
• 2:54:51
  Speaker 1: leg to stand. And do I think it'll work. No,
• 2:54:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna work. I mean, if you
• 2:54:55
  Speaker 1: look statistically, deal Carson, when a defendant takes a stand
• 2:55:00
  Speaker 1: and completely t bones his case in front of the jury.
• 2:55:06
  Speaker 1: Very rarely do you get a reversal on appeal, Very rare.
• 2:55:11
  Speaker 1: That's the stats. But there's still question that the ability
• 2:55:15
  Speaker 1: of him winning the appeal is quite limited, given not
• 2:55:20
  Speaker 1: only the length of the information that came before the
• 2:55:22
  Speaker 1: jury family when they made their decision, but also the
• 2:55:26
  Speaker 1: way the court handled the presentation of the evidence and
• 2:55:29
  Speaker 1: what he allowed to appear before the jury admitted evidence.
• 2:55:34
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't think he's got much of a
• 2:55:35
  Speaker 1: chance of winning an appeal. However, any question related to
• 2:55:40
  Speaker 1: why an attorney is present and you don't respond to things,
• 2:55:44
  Speaker 1: that's certainly something that could overturn some of this. But
• 2:55:48
  Speaker 1: I think the evidence is massive against him. He was
• 2:55:52
  Speaker 1: the only person there. Family guns were used. Well, even
• 2:55:56
  Speaker 1: though one of the firings was changed, you know, there
• 2:56:00
  Speaker 1: was a lot of evidence that supported his conviction. Yes, man,
• 2:56:04
  Speaker 1: hold on just a second. I want to get to
• 2:56:06
  Speaker 1: Chris mcdonah before we lose his satellite. Chris mcdonnah, I
• 2:56:10
  Speaker 1: know you're hearing Dell Carson speaking. He's a veteran trial lawyer.
• 2:56:14
  Speaker 1: He knows what he's talking about. But if this thing
• 2:56:17
  Speaker 1: does by chance and get reversed on appeal. That's going
• 2:56:20
  Speaker 1: to be such a kick in the teeth for all
• 2:56:24
  Speaker 1: the law enforcement they worked so hard to put this
• 2:56:27
  Speaker 1: case together. Yeah, it will be dancy because you know,
• 2:56:33
  Speaker 1: all of that effort obviously will feel like, you know, okay,
• 2:56:37
  Speaker 1: we got to do this all over again now. I
• 2:56:40
  Speaker 1: think they'll I think they'll rally the troops it you know,
• 2:56:43
  Speaker 1: God forbid that happens. As as we just listened to
• 2:56:47
  Speaker 1: just the tone of the humility on the prosecution side,
• 2:56:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, from the top down, everybody, every one of
• 2:56:54
  Speaker 1: your guests here today have been, you know, so humble
• 2:56:58
  Speaker 1: and transferring the you know, the applause to the next person.
• 2:57:02
  Speaker 1: But then you hear the other side, and granted, the
• 2:57:05
  Speaker 1: defense has to do their job, and they're doing a
• 2:57:07
  Speaker 1: great job, but you almost hear Alec speaking again, and
• 2:57:14
  Speaker 1: you know that in of itself again just tells us
• 2:57:17
  Speaker 1: what these guys have been up against you for the
• 2:57:19
  Speaker 1: last year and a half, two years. But for it
• 2:57:21
  Speaker 1: to come back and to start all over again, I
• 2:57:24
  Speaker 1: think it would be very disheartening, disheartening. And you know,
• 2:57:29
  Speaker 1: Joe got Morgan, Professor Forensics at Jacksonville State University and
• 2:57:32
  Speaker 1: so much more. That's why they get the big bucks.
• 2:57:35
  Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, Dick Cart, Pootlean and Griffin,
• 2:57:38
  Speaker 1: they don't come cheap. They are going to fight this thing,
• 2:57:41
  Speaker 1: and they gave him a fantastic defense. But look what
• 2:57:44
  Speaker 1: they had to work with. I mean the crime scene
• 2:57:46
  Speaker 1: evidence alone, that's your Billy Wick was damning. Yeah. Well,
• 2:57:52
  Speaker 1: and they went out and got some pop pop notch expert.
• 2:57:57
  Speaker 1: But I'd like to address something else here, Nancy three words,
• 2:58:01
  Speaker 1: eiding and abetting. If anyone thinks that Sled is done
• 2:58:07
  Speaker 1: with this investigation, you better wake up smell though, because
• 2:58:12
  Speaker 1: my suspicion is they're going to continue to dig into
• 2:58:15
  Speaker 1: this case. You brought up a very salient point a
• 2:58:18
  Speaker 1: few moments ago when you were talking to the prosecuting
• 2:58:23
  Speaker 1: You were asking where did all that money go? And
• 2:58:26
  Speaker 1: it's a ton of money, millions and millions of dollars.
• 2:58:30
  Speaker 1: This is not like some kind of It didn't just
• 2:58:34
  Speaker 1: vanish my suspicion as somebody else has had hand in this. Now.
• 2:58:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they were directly involved in what
• 2:58:41
  Speaker 1: happened out there that night, but those weapons are somewhere
• 2:58:45
  Speaker 1: out in the deep dark hole right now. That money
• 2:58:49
  Speaker 1: is somewhere right now. I wonder whose pocket it's in it.
• 2:58:52
  Speaker 1: And anybody that participated in the facilitation of this crime
• 2:58:58
  Speaker 1: or cover up Sled is going to be on this.
• 2:59:02
  Speaker 1: They're gonna be looking at you know. It's it's understood
• 2:59:06
  Speaker 1: that a defense attorney is going to go out and
• 2:59:08
  Speaker 1: get in front in front of a bank of microphone
• 2:59:10
  Speaker 1: the day after his client has been found guilty. That's
• 2:59:14
  Speaker 1: a given. But you know, a few moments ago it
• 2:59:17
  Speaker 1: was mentioned that when the chief got up there from
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  Speaker 1: Sled and he mentioned that kind of tangential comment that
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  Speaker 1: he made relative to others that might be involved. They're
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  Speaker 1: not sleeping on this, Nancy. They're moving forward, and I
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  Speaker 1: can tell you there will be no stunt stone left unturned.
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  Speaker 1: Their focus here has been on Alley And don't you know,
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  Speaker 1: nobody kids yourself here. He's looking at a long time
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  Speaker 1: in prison. If he can soften the blow by rolling
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  Speaker 1: over on anybody at all where he would get special privileges.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about a reduction in sentence, but getting
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  Speaker 1: taken out of general population or anything like that. Trust me,
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  Speaker 1: once that pressure is applied inside that institution, he will
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  Speaker 1: do if there's anybody else involved in this, he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: start screaming pretty soon. Guys, I want you to hear
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  Speaker 1: our cut fifteen. This is what it all is about.
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  Speaker 1: This is how this case culminates, with Judge Newman passing
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  Speaker 1: sentence on Alex Murdo to Murdo, I sentence you to
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  Speaker 1: the State Department of Corrections on each of the murder
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  Speaker 1: indictments in the murder of your wife, Maggie Murdal. I
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  Speaker 1: sentence you for the term of the rest of your
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  Speaker 1: natural life. For the murder of Paul Murda, whom you
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  Speaker 1: probably love so much. I sentence you to prison for
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  Speaker 1: murdering him for the rest of your natural life. Those
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  Speaker 1: sentences will run secretive. Under the statute involving possession of
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  Speaker 1: weapon doing a violent crime, there is no sentence where life.
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  Speaker 1: A life sentence is imposed on other indictments. That is
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  Speaker 1: the sentence of the court, and you are remanded to
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  Speaker 1: the State Department of Corrections, and officers may carry forth
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  Speaker 1: on the imposition. Alex Myrdock, standing emotionless as the sentence
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  Speaker 1: has read, two life sentences to run consecutively, one after
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  Speaker 1: the next, and that as much the way he responded
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  Speaker 1: when the jury found him guilty, he didn't seem surprised
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  Speaker 1: at all, Kelly Skin, Did you notice no surprise registered
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  Speaker 1: on his face at all when he was sentenced nor
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  Speaker 1: when he was convicted. Yeah, I think we're at an
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  Speaker 1: interesting juncture here, Nancy. We've heard up until this point
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  Speaker 1: said Alec Murdoch has played a big role in his
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  Speaker 1: own defense, and I think this tiger is going to
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  Speaker 1: change his stripes and probably, like we've been talking about,
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  Speaker 1: turn on his own defense team and try and say
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  Speaker 1: that he got ineffective counsel, although he was part of that.
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  Speaker 1: So I think as all of these charges are being read,
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  Speaker 1: Alec Murdoch is looking forward to the future because, according
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  Speaker 1: to the prosecution and according to the jury, he killed
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  Speaker 1: his wife and son, and deep down he knows that.
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  Speaker 1: So as he's been planning his alibi and changing his alibi,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he's already been thinking ahead to the future and
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  Speaker 1: how he's going to fight this verdict and file appeals
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  Speaker 1: and continue to play a role in his own defense
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  Speaker 1: with different lawyers. Possibly. Yeah, Murdoch is wildly and cunning
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  Speaker 1: like a fox. I guarantee you he's already planning his
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  Speaker 1: next move. And he knows the system. He is a
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  Speaker 1: veteran's trial lawyer himself. He's in a lot of cases.
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  Speaker 1: He knows how to manipulate juries, how to make arguments,
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  Speaker 1: how to let a n reversible error if needed in
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  Speaker 1: a trial. But it was his decision to take the stand.
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  Speaker 1: Before he got up on the stand, the judge very
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  Speaker 1: carefully said, does anybody have emotion or does anybody have
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  Speaker 1: anything they want to say before Murdock took the stand,
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  Speaker 1: and they said no. And very typically at the end
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  Speaker 1: of a trial, you'll hear a judge tell the defendant
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  Speaker 1: you have a right to remain silent. Are you sure
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  Speaker 1: you want to take the stand? And then that's on
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  Speaker 1: the defendant. Guys. Many people are wondering how the jury
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  Speaker 1: reached their decision. And we did hear from one year
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  Speaker 1: or early early you take a listen to him speaking
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  Speaker 1: to our friends over at GMA. He started deliberating, going
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  Speaker 1: through the defendance. Everybody was pretty much talking and holding
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  Speaker 1: About forty five minutes later, are we after all our deliberating,
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  Speaker 1: we figured it out. So it's basically forty five minutes
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  Speaker 1: for you guys to come to a decision. Probably about
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  Speaker 1: forty five maybe an hour. If you really look at everything,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's all plain and clear. Wow, it was very
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  Speaker 1: clear to this jury. And many people del Carson have
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  Speaker 1: attacked the jury already saying they rushed to judgment. They've
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  Speaker 1: been listening to evidence for weeks. I don't think there
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  Speaker 1: was a rush. No, I don't either, Nancy, and I.
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  Speaker 1: You know, one of the interesting things that the defense
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  Speaker 1: brought up, which I thought was rather interesting and insightful
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  Speaker 1: from our perspective at least, is that when asked are
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  Speaker 1: you are you going to look for the killer, the
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  Speaker 1: actual killers? Nobody's interested in that. Now they're said, well,
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  Speaker 1: sled should have found them. Well, if you represent, if
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  Speaker 1: I represent you in a criminal matter of this magnitude,
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  Speaker 1: I'm certainly going to hire some investigators to look and
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  Speaker 1: if nothing else, I'm going to put out a bounty
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  Speaker 1: for information connected with the actual killers, because that's something that,
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  Speaker 1: with true a wrench in the entire operation. If in
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  Speaker 1: fact it's true that he's not guilty. Yet the defense
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  Speaker 1: didn't bring that up, and in fact, through that the
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  Speaker 1: side and worried about the appeal rather than dealing with
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  Speaker 1: the real hard fact that if he's innocent, the real
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  Speaker 1: killers are still out there and they're getting away with well.
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  Speaker 1: The defense made it very clear in their pressor that
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  Speaker 1: it's not their job to find the real killer, even
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  Speaker 1: though they are representing the husband and the father of
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  Speaker 1: the two victims. Guys, our time here at the Carlton
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  Speaker 1: County Courthouse is coming to a close, as has this case.
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  Speaker 1: And let me tell you, this case, like every other
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  Speaker 1: case that I tried, takes a piece of you, takes
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  Speaker 1: a piece of you for the rest of your life.
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  Speaker 1: I still remember victims I represented ten fifteen years ago,
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  Speaker 1: but today I think thoughts are on the victims in
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  Speaker 1: this case, Maggie and Paul. That's my takeaway. At the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day and at the close of the case,
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  Speaker 1: after all the motions and the arguments and the evidence
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  Speaker 1: and the slide show, it's about them. They lost their
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  Speaker 1: lives and that Kennel at Moselle, but their voices were
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  Speaker 1: heard through this jury. Thank you for being with us
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  Speaker 1: every step of the way. Nancy Gray signing off from
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  Speaker 1: the Colleton County Courthouse. Goodbye friend,