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Soviet Immigrants Expose U.S. Citizenship Grind (Full) · Solving America's Problems

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  Welcome to Solving America’s Problems — Jerremy and Dave just sat down
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  with two women who left everything behind to chase the American dream.
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  Olga fled a tiny Crimean village at 16, joined the Russian circus, landed in
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  America with Ringling Brothers — then spent the next fifteen years trapped in
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  limbo because one shady agent from when she was seventeen still haunted her file.
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  Svetlana showed up from Kazakhstan with $300, watched her visa expire, went
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  illegal for years — then got denied citizenship for a decade after her
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  American husband suddenly died, forcing her to restart the clock at zero.
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  Both paid scam lawyers five-figure fees, lived five to a bedroom, worked three
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  jobs — and still waited SEVEN YEARS before they could even visit their own
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  mothers without risking permanent exile.
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  They finally made it.
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  But the system that almost broke them also forged two of the most relentless,
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  grateful citizens you’ll ever meet…
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  Dave Conley, what are we discussing in this episode?
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  In this week's episode of Solving America's Problems, what if the
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  very trials that break systems built unbreakable citizens?
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  We dive into the realities of first generation immigration where the promise
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  of opportunity collides with years of waiting fear and systemic hurdles
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  that leave millions in limbo with green card backlog stretching decades,
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  courts drowning Under 4 million pending cases, the path to citizenship becomes
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  an endurance test, one that demands extraordinary resilience and produces some
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  of the nation's most devoted Americans.
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  Our guests this week know this journey firsthand.
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  Olga, Kay left a Russian circus at 16 to pursue opportunities in America.
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  Becoming a YouTube star.
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  And now founder of Moosh Walks a children's brand built on the
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  growth mindset and resilience that powered her own journey.
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  Sve Lana Newsom arrived in America from Kazakhstan with $300 in a dream
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  surviving profound loss and transforming her life into spiritual service.
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  Earning a doctorate and today guiding world leaders through
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  their own transformational journey.
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  That's this week on solving America's problems from circus tense to citizenship,
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  what it really takes to become American with Olga and Svetlana Newso.
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  America sells the world's greatest promise.
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  Come here, work hard, become one of us.
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  14% of everyone living in America was not born here.
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  That's one in seven of your neighbors coworkers.
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  The people making this country run.
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  But here's what they do not tell you at the border.
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  Green card weights can stretch 20 years citizenship.
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  It's a marathon through a minefield while immigration courts collapse under
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  more than 4 million pending cases.
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  I'm Jerremy Alexander Newsom here with my co-host Dave Conley and this.
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  Solving America's problems.
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  Our guest today did not just survive the gauntlet, they conquered it.
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  Olga Kay went from performing in the Russian circus with Ringling
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  Brothers to becoming a YouTube pioneer, entertaining millions and
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  now runs Moosh, walks a children's brand, empowering the next generation.
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  Solana Newsom arrived with just $300 to her name, rebuilt her
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  life after a devastating loss, and emerged as a spiritual teacher.
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  And healer to world leaders
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  thanks so much for being on the show.
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  Jerremy.
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  I wanna cry already.
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  You, you're already excited, huh?
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  I'm
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  Yeah.
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  Excited.
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  inside.
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  This has been a journey and you just reminded me how hard it has been,
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  and I'm so glad we're all here.
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  Yeah.
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  Likewise.
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  I think that's pretty common with individuals that we speak to regarding
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  anything, but most specifically, those that come to this country.
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  And make it because it is a lot of work.
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  It's very struggling, it's very challenging.
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  So do this for me.
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  I'll have Solana start First, paint us a picture.
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  What did America mean to you before you arrived, and how has that vision
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  changed now that you're a citizen?
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  Thank you, Jerremy for this beautiful and powerful question.
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  America growing up felt like a distant sound, a distant voice
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  that was for someone else, it felt like the beautiful of luxury and
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  abundance and all possibilities.
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  But it was not for me or for anyone else that I knew.
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  And fortunately the growing up in Kazakhstan, the time started to shift.
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  The energies between America and Russia started to shift.
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  The Soviet Union collapsed and things became just a tiny bit closer.
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  And then when the opportunity revealed itself to come to America, and it was
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  obvious that I had to jump into that opportunity and create some of myself.
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  And that's really my only prayer was when I was a little girl from God, is
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  to just gimme an opportunity in life.
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  That's how I wanted because looking at my family, at my neighbors, I
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  knew what my life would be there was simply was no opportunity to do
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  anything greater or anything better.
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  In order to exceed, especially during those times, you had to be a
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  part of some kind of mafia, a part of some kind of really dark space.
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  Otherwise, a person that had good could not succeed in that environment.
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  I remember coming to United States the very first time.
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  Two things really just blew my mind.
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  The first I saw this lady, she was in her sixties, was a
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  long nails and a short hair.
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  She was wearing this beautiful purple outfit and she was alive,
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  she was vibrant, she was leaving.
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  And I just remember that back home, members, my grandmother,
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  my neighbors, they were all preparing to die in their fifties.
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  They were saving money for the funeral.
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  At that time, it was the ending.
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  And here it was a golden age era.
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  It was just the beginning.
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  I was like, oh my goodness, you can have that.
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  You can live like that.
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  And then the second observation that took place was when men treated women
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  the possibility of true love and a space of admiration and equality.
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  And it wasn't just being a servant in a family any longer,
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  and therefore I knew that.
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  is the country where all the dreams come true.
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  And if you really put your intention and your energy, your education, and you want
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  become greater, everything is available.
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  Amazing.
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  Beautiful.
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  Just hold the mic just a couple more inches from your face.
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  Perfect.
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  Olga, about you?
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  Rockstar?
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  Wow, that's a powerful story.
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  So I was 16 years old and according to my mom, I always wanted to live in
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  America ever since I was a little girl.
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  I don't have a memory of that, but I did grow up in a tiny village in Crimea.
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  And when Soviet Union fell apart, we had to do something.
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  So we, I call it, ran away with the Russian circus and we joined
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  my aunt on the road in Russian Circus, and we started traveling.
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  I was 14 years old and within two years I went all over Russia.
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  Every month I traveled to a new place, and then we stopped at Moscow for a
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  couple of months, and that's when we got discovered to come to America.
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  And I remember thinking, I'm about to turn 16.
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  I'm gonna go to America.
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  We have two year contract with the Ringling Brothers Circus.
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  I'm just gonna go there and I'm gonna come back because I love Russia.
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  I love traveling in a Russian circus, but it would be really
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  cool to see a new country.
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  And I immigrated here.
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  So my journey to immigration was.
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  Very easy.
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  In the beginning, I got paperwork from a very big company.
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  I got my social security, I got my working visa.
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  I was getting paid $250 a week, which I feel like my family would only see that
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  much money in two or three months of work.
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  And right before we left my village, I remember we were
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  getting paid in bags of sugar and bags of grass that we can give to
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  Wow.
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  and then we turn it into milk and cheese and butter and trade with our neighbors.
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  So this was this whole new world for me.
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  But like I said, I never really thought I'm gonna stay here.
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  I thought I'm gonna go back.
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  And from the age of 16 to 18, I've learned how to speak English.
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  I've learned how to drive a car.
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  I was getting paid $250 a week and I had my first bank account.
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  And when I turned 18, I realized that.
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  I don't even know what I'll do in Russia.
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  None of those things were even available to me, and I had no idea I needed those
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  things to feel like a and capable of.
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  bigger things.
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  And I remember realizing I will do whatever it takes to stay in this
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  country at 18, even though my family was still left behind in Russia and
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  figure out what the next steps were.
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  And then I got another contract with another family circus, and
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  that's when I quickly realized that circuses in America are just.
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  Carnies and you are not as respected and you have to work so much harder when you
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  work for family circuses versus a big corporation or like wrangling brothers.
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  that's when I started realizing that I have to come up with a new way to
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  live in America, use my skill and talent, and build a better life.
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  And I immigrated, I moved then to Los Angeles and I started my
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  journey, which led me to so many different things and opportunities.
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  But that's how I got here.
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  And I do, I have similar feeling about the country.
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  I remember thinking if I work hard.
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  It will be rewarded because in Russia and Ukraine, Crimea, at that
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  time I was watching my family work so hard and getting nowhere, and
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  my mom had two different college degrees and she couldn't get a job.
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  And I remember thinking, I will never follow the academia route.
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  I will just use my talent and my street, wisdom and build myself
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  in this country the best I can.
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  Wow.
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  Those are really cool stories.
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  Dave and I will never use the word village.
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  Like both of you talk, have such fond memories about that, like using that term,
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  it's really endearing, but also at the exact same time, very revealing meaning
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  you chose something bigger, you chose something more, and coming to this country
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  was definitely a huge leap of faith.
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  we'll start with you, Olga, and then we'll go to s Laa.
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  Thinking about the immigration process that you went through, where did it help
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  you where did it make things harder?
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  Yeah, a little picture of the process.
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  So I came here with Ringling Brothers.
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  I had my visa that covered my job for that company.
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  After that I had an agent who got me a different visa, which is oh one visa.
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  It's the most extraordinary visa for the best people out
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  there with the best skills.
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  With that visa, you have an easier route into a green card.
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  However, that agent later was on the run with the FBI, and
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  luckily I didn't continue my immigration journey through him.
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  He's still part of my file and it still hunts me today.
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  And that's how difficult it is.
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  I became an American citizen in 2016, so it's been almost 10 years now.
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  And it still hunts me that he's part of my file and he since
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  went to jail, passed away.
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  He's gone.
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  But it still hunts me and my family that person was part of my immigration journey.
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  But what happened after I was in a relationship with another juggler, I was
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  a juggler in the circus and we were living together and our goal at that time was get
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  a visa so I can start traveling, leaving America and travel with him on cruise
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  ships because that was his frame of work.
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  And a lawyer at that time told us it's September 11th
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  time, you will not get a visa.
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  Everything is backed up.
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  If you guys already living together, you might as well just get married.
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  And we're like, okay, we'll get married.
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  So I got married and I got my green card through marriage.
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  However, when I was applying for my citizenship, I got denied because
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  of this agent, who was my agent when I was 17, I had to act fast
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  and figure out what to do next.
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  My green card was expiring.
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  I've been in this country for almost 15 years at this point and realizing
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  that, oh, this could be the end and I don't know what to do next.
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  Whoa.
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  What about you, Phila?
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  I came in states on a J one Visa.
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  It was a work and travel program at that time, and I believe it still exists.
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  And if you were in a university, you could enter into the program and
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  come to America for three months.
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  Through the summer and work.
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  And that was my first experience of America.
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  I remember going back home telling my mom, I will be going to America again
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  because I have window for one more year, but I will not be coming back.
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  I do not know what the journey will be, but it will take me a lifetime
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  to create what it will take me five years to create in America.
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  And it was very difficult saying goodbye because it was saying goodbye
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  and going to now when my grandfather was sick at that time and he was my,
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  like my father, knew he would be dying and I would not be able to go and
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  be with him or visited the funeral.
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  So it was a very difficult goodbye and it took me a very long time to understand
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  what it took from my mother to let me go.
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  It's not only until I became a mother, I could understand the power
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  that you send out your child with and the prayer and hopes and beliefs
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  that everything will turn out okay.
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  And yes, I was on a visa and I had a job.
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  And second time I came to Las Vegas and I got a job in a fashion show mall.
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  I was in the retails.
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  I got a second job.
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  I was sending money back home to support my family and everything was
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  going well until my visa expired.
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  And there was a time to really think what to do?
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  What is next?
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  Because there are very little opportunities when you do not have money.
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  When you are still new in a country and your visa expires, the lawyers fees are
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  astronomical To go to college, you cannot truly afford to pay for the college.
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  And then you, even if you are working two, three jobs, the college fees
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  as a immigrant are still insane.
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  So what happened is my visa collapsed and I started illegally in the country.
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  So I was a legal immigrant.
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  Thankfully my employer at the time either didn't pick it up or just closed
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  the eyes on the expiration of the visa.
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  I still had my, social security.
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  I was paying the taxes and I was working.
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  Long story short, a few years later, I met an incredible
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  man that was my first husband.
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  dated for a little while and we knew that we were going to be together.
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  We wanted to be together, we wanted to build a family.
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  He proposed, I got married and that is how I was able to get.
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  My green card.
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  one thing is that I remember I knew of so many different abilities and
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  programs that were available for wealthy people that if you had $500,000,
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  that you can get that EB five visa and you can invest in the states.
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  And there was so many opportunities.
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  And I remember just walking like with the tears in my eyes, wishing that someone
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  would just believe in me, worry me that money, or see the potential cause I
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  was willing to give everything for this opportunity and it wasn't available.
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  And the only thing that was left is an illegal.
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  It's amazing.
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  I wanna add something to this as well.
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  one thing that not many people talk about is how long it takes
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  to get some kind of paperwork to even go back to see your family.
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  I was in a similar position where I came here at 16 just like Yu Laa, I
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  didn't realize what a sacrifice my parents made until I became a mother
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  and realizing that my kid is gonna say, oh, I'm just gonna move to France, and
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  then I'm not able to come and visit him.
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  It would just break my heart.
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  So what they did, and again, they thought, I'm gonna come
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  back, but I just never came back.
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  And what happened for me, I was in this country for three years working
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  under a contract so I could not leave.
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  So at this point I'm going from 16 to 19.
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  I can't leave the country because I'm doing shows every night.
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  And after that, I started changing my immigration status.
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  Then I can't leave the country because I'm changing my status.
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  You're just not allowed to leave.
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  You can leave the country, but you cannot come back in.
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  So you have to wait for your status to clear and you pretty
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  much have to wait for your green card, which is another two years.
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  Long story short, after that, I didn't have enough money to go back to Russia.
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  So then I had another year or two where I just couldn't go.
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  And I remember seven years after leaving my family, mother called
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  me and she said, I feel like I'm gonna die and I will not see you.
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  Can you figure out a way to come and visit me?
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  And I remember going back.
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  Seven years later, I was in my twenties now a whole different person
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  than my family remember me being.
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  And I didn't know how to talk to my family.
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  I was visiting them for the first time and I have this whole other
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  life that I've been living and they're still, expect me to be the
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  16-year-old girl who's coming back.
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  anyways, it took a couple of days to get comfortable again and find
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  our language again as a family.
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  But I remember thinking, I have to make sure to visit them once a year
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  so I don't forget who my family is.
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  Yeah.
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  I love these very powerful and emotional stories, and thank you
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  for sharing them with not only us, but all of our listeners.
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  And since we're here, in this energy, right?
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  America granted you a wonderful opportunity, but at what personal cost?
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  Some of you are both sharing that now, but what is one sacrifice
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  that you rarely share publicly?
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  Maybe something that you haven't thought of for a while or something that most
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  people like Dave and myself, who were born here might not even recognize or realize.
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  Let's start with whoever,
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  Whoever's ready to speak first,
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  whoever's ready to speak.
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  Exactly.
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  so with Lana, go ahead.
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  I feel like definitely being in a realization that the sacrifice of the
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  family was so big, and I feel like in other countries, the structures in
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  Kazakhstan and Russia, Ukraine, the family structure is very close very intertwined.
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  Losing that, becoming all by yourself, figuring life all on your own, recognizing
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  that your parents have no idea or any blueprint of what your life is going to
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  be like, they cannot guide you recognizing that people in America cannot really
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  guide you because they have no clue of what it takes build yourself and
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  to become something in this country.
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  And therefore, the big sacrifice is a growing up that needs
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  to happen extremely fast.
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  You absolutely cannot mess up in any shape or form because if you mess up in
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  any way, you are going to be get departed and you are going right back home.
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  You have to figure yourself out.
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  You have to stay in a space of honor of wisdom, and it's hard.
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  It's hard for a very young person in the very beginning, but definitely having no
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  guidance and being so far away from the family when you lived with your family,
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  majority of your life is a huge sacrifice,
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  Let's see if I can add something.
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  I think Solana, you said it perfectly.
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  It's you lose that and you're right.
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  Family also doesn't realize how hard it is here
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  right?
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  they think about America.
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  You're getting paid now you're getting paid way more than we
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  You're making so much money, you're fine.
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  You are fine.
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  And you, but then you have to realize everything is so much more expensive
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  and legal fees are astronomical here.
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  And back to my immigration story.
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  I came here legally, everything was great, but then as I was
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  applying for my citizenship I did it myself without any lawyers.
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  And I remember not hearing back and I'm like, something is going on with my case.
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  It's been a while.
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  Something is not right.
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  I keep calling.
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  They keep telling me like, you have to wait for the official letter.
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  They would not say anything over the phone.
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  And I remember getting that official letter.
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  There was so many pages saying that my citizenship was denied due to.
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  This agent that I had 10 years prior to this case, and I remember
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  thinking, okay, what's next?
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  I can't, there's no one, there's no phone number to call back
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  and clarify what's going on.
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  So I had to, I remember overnight and luckily at that time I had some savings
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  and overnight, that was over 10 years ago, I had to come up with $5,000, find a
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  lawyer and see if we can restart my case.
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  And other thing not many people talk about is how many lawyers are such
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  fraud when it comes to immigration?
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  Thank you.
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  paying $5,000 and this person restarted my case.
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  And then we were still waiting.
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  I remember saying, Hey, my green card is about to expire.
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  I need to get some kind of paperwork back saying that it's okay or
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  extension for my green card.
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  And he was saying it would be another $7,000 if we wanna expedite it.
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  And obviously I didn't wanna do this.
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  At that time I was traveling so much for different conferences and I came
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  back from New York and I opened this letter and it says, congratulations,
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  you now will be an American.
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  Come to this place.
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  I was traveling for two weeks, so it said, come tomorrow.
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  And I'm like, oh my gosh, what if I stayed in New York a little longer?
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  I would've missed this letter.
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  And if you don't show up for your appointment, you then wait for three to
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  five extra years to get an appointment.
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  And there's no one to talk to.
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  You just have to hope the paperwork is doing its work.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah that's wild.
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  so you said thank you to Olga when she mentioned that about a lot
• 23:34
  of lawyers being scam artists.
• 23:36
  Do you have more information on that?
• 23:38
  Many of that?
• 23:38
  So many of them.
• 23:39
  I got scammed by two and finally Juan was able to pull something together.
• 23:45
  That's all to say
• 23:47
  I
• 23:47
  to find.
• 23:48
  And actually how much did it,
• 23:50
  to get scanned?
• 23:51
  So many times.
• 23:52
  yeah, so first time it was $5,000.
• 23:56
  really all you do for the first couple years, you work for the legal fees.
• 24:01
  just, I lived with five other It was five of us in one bedroom apartment for two
• 24:07
  years, and we were saving everything.
• 24:10
  We were working two through three jobs and it was all going to the legal
• 24:14
  fees and we were sharing the rent.
• 24:17
  That ended up being like $150 a person.
• 24:20
  are the lucky ones.
• 24:21
  Exactly.
• 24:22
  came in here and we didn't have to escape prosecution and
• 24:28
  really work under the table.
• 24:29
  Minimum wage where you cannot even save up for any type of legal fees.
• 24:34
  So what kept you both going?
• 24:36
  You're here in the land of freedom you're facing of these invisible barriers that
• 24:45
  you weren't told about, that you weren't aware of, that no one guided you through.
• 24:52
  be so persistent?
• 24:54
  Because there was no other choice.
• 24:58
  The going back into nothingness, into no hope, least for me,
• 25:05
  into no life was not an option.
• 25:09
  I was willing to suffer, to struggle to go without, to.
• 25:16
  Cry nights and days to do whatever it takes.
• 25:19
  Just to have this opportunity to make something of myself, I would do the
• 25:26
  same thing back home in a different way.
• 25:30
  Still struggle, still very hard and there was absolutely no promise that
• 25:37
  it would change in any point of life.
• 25:40
  For me I feel like when I. Got to this country.
• 25:43
  I was 16.
• 25:44
  I was still forming as an adult.
• 25:47
  I became a completely different person who is optimistic, loves life.
• 25:52
  And I feel like in Russia I was more serious and I was more afraid of things.
• 25:57
  So going back for me would mean going back to being afraid
• 26:02
  and not be a go-getter, be a
• 26:05
  Yeah.
• 26:06
  for me.
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  That's how different, when I speak Russian, I'm a different person.
• 26:10
  When I speak English, I am just bubbly.
• 26:12
  I love everything.
• 26:13
  Everything is possible.
• 26:15
  Everyone can achieve anything.
• 26:17
  In Russia, I would've been, I don't have education.
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  I'm a nobody.
• 26:22
  I don't know what I'll do here.
• 26:24
  Where in America, not saying that non-educational no education
• 26:29
  gets you far in America, but in America you can build a dream.
• 26:34
  Where in Russia.
• 26:35
  Everyone looks at the paperwork before they give you an opportunity.
• 26:39
  Yeah.
• 26:40
  Fascinating.
• 26:41
  So I think now is a really beautiful time to just start making this unique
• 26:47
  pivot into would you tell others who are working on coming into this
• 26:53
  country other immigrants who To experience the exact same life and
• 26:58
  opportunities and freedom as yourself.
• 27:00
  What do you start telling those people presently?
• 27:04
  I'll say don't unless you times over.
• 27:08
  First of all, it's a lot harder.
• 27:10
  I've been here for 25 years.
• 27:12
  Everything is a lot more expensive.
• 27:15
  There is more opportunity, but there's also less opportunity.
• 27:17
  The way I see it, a lot of industries are collapsing from
• 27:22
  my end, from where I came from.
• 27:24
  I had this conversation with my brother, I immigrated my mom here eight years ago.
• 27:29
  I was talking to my brother because when conflict between Russia
• 27:32
  and Ukraine started my brother said, maybe I'll just leave.
• 27:36
  And we had a conversation.
• 27:38
  I realized I don't think I'll have to support my brother, because I
• 27:42
  think it's gonna be really hard for him to break into this country
• 27:46
  at his age and build a new life.
• 27:50
  So beautifully said.
• 27:52
  I would say that America is definitely a country of dreamers country
• 28:00
  of entrepreneurs, visionaries.
• 28:04
  It is not a country of safety.
• 28:08
  It is not a country for workers.
• 28:12
  And if you do not have this entrepreneurial spirit within you,
• 28:18
  if you are not able just to move with the waves of the politics and
• 28:25
  unsettled energies and still hold the vision, this is not the country.
• 28:31
  There are other countries to immigrate that are a lot more stable.
• 28:35
  America has never been stable, but also it is still, in my opinion, the
• 28:40
  greatest country that exist in a world with no matter how many problems we
• 28:46
  are experiencing right now, opportunity for the ones that are feeling their
• 28:53
  within and the desire to bring their dream into the reality exists here.
• 28:59
  And I
• 28:59
  I like that.
• 29:00
  is for the younger crowd, maybe I'm projecting, but imagining myself
• 29:06
  immigrating now in my forties, I think it would be a lot harder.
• 29:11
  But when I was young and I was just full of energy and no fear of anything,
• 29:17
  like anything goes, this is just gonna be another lesson I'm gonna learn.
• 29:21
  I feel like I'm a lot more safe now.
• 29:23
  So if you're young, there's still a lot of room.
• 29:28
  I so agree with that.
• 29:29
  People ask me all the time, how did you do it?
• 29:31
  How did you immigrate?
• 29:32
  Weren't you afraid?
• 29:33
  I'm like, no, I was 19 delusional.
• 29:35
  Life is amazing.
• 29:37
  Nothing can go.
• 29:38
  I'm wrong.
• 29:38
  Everything is working out for me.
• 29:40
  Like you need to have this like young, naive optimism to keep believing, right?
• 29:46
  I feel like the people who have been really put down by life, it becomes
• 29:52
  so difficult to believe and when you are young, you just rise up and you
• 29:55
  keep believing and you really need to have that quality to make it in us.
• 30:01
  I agree.
• 30:02
  I'm extremely interested about the answer to this question.
• 30:06
  So if both of you amazing humans could redesign.
• 30:10
  Just one step in the path from arrival to citizenship, what would that change be?
• 30:21
  First of all, I love my struggling story.
• 30:25
  I feel like it makes me who I am today, so I would not change anything.
• 30:29
  However, let me think about this.
• 30:33
  Go ahead with Lana.
• 30:35
  So if I were in a position to change the immigration reform the way it is right
• 30:39
  now, I definitely would not send people.
• 30:44
  Back to their countries because to come into this country, especially to
• 30:52
  go through the borders, to go through the rivers, to go through the oceans,
• 30:56
  you have to be so desperate without having any opportunity in life really
• 31:03
  see a little bit of glimpse of light that exists in this country to do that.
• 31:09
  And if someone has raised their lives, relationships, everything.
• 31:13
  They put everything in the line and they are already here.
• 31:17
  And America has been a country of opportunities and
• 31:23
  believing in their dreams.
• 31:25
  would grant them an opportunity for a dream.
• 31:29
  And the way it would look is that I would give, it'll be something
• 31:34
  different like a new type of visa, a visa that doesn't exist yet.
• 31:38
  And it would be for the people who are here illegally now they have this
• 31:41
  type of visa for two years they will need to renew it every two years.
• 31:46
  And obviously if there is any crime two years, they cannot renew
• 31:51
  it and they have to be sent back.
• 31:54
  But with that visa, now you have, maybe it's not social security,
• 31:59
  maybe it is a different card.
• 32:00
  You are able to pay taxes.
• 32:02
  So you are paying into the system of America.
• 32:05
  You are not just being paid under the table and then in two years
• 32:10
  your visa no, that visa gets renewed and you have another two years.
• 32:14
  And so you can start creating and building life in America.
• 32:19
  And around eight year mark, believe it is a. Time that you've proven that
• 32:25
  you want to be here, that you are a good person, that you are paying your
• 32:29
  taxes, that you are working very hard.
• 32:33
  And during that time, you can apply for the green card and then
• 32:38
  within two years you'll receive it.
• 32:39
  So it'll be a 10 year immigration process.
• 32:43
  And yes, there are so many different parts to it.
• 32:46
  I believe yes, children should go to school.
• 32:49
  The healthcare, none of us gets any healthcare.
• 32:52
  We all pay for the healthcare.
• 32:54
  So those people will need to pay for the healthcare.
• 32:57
  So I do not believe that we need to give them anything extra than
• 33:02
  the American people are getting.
• 33:05
  And it's okay to have a harder condition for them, but at least we can give
• 33:10
  them an opportunity to do and make something of themselves in this country.
• 33:15
  Yeah,
• 33:15
  This is what I would do.
• 33:16
  and it's like building a credit score.
• 33:18
  I like your system a lot.
• 33:19
  You're building your credit score, you're proving that you're a reliable person year
• 33:23
  after year, and you get more opportunity.
• 33:27
  yeah, the problem is that there's such a long wait to get a green
• 33:31
  card or to get any kind of response.
• 33:33
  I have a friend who is under the asylum case right now for eight years and similar
• 33:39
  situation, pay the lawyer this much fee, pay more if you want it expedited.
• 33:44
  She's not able to pay more.
• 33:45
  So she's been waiting and she finally gets her letter saying, come for.
• 33:51
  They interview her lawyer says, I don't have time because we have
• 33:56
  so many clients we have to take care of, so we have to delay it.
• 34:02
  Which I don't know how long she's now stuck in that waiting line.
• 34:07
  It may just bring something up.
• 34:10
  is all of the problems of poor people.
• 34:12
  This is all of the problems of the people that do not have money.
• 34:15
  Because if you live in another country right now and you have $800,000 to invest,
• 34:20
  you have your green card in eight months.
• 34:23
  This program been around forever.
• 34:25
  It is still here.
• 34:26
  It is still available.
• 34:27
  So everything we are talking about, the opportunity is so hard, it
• 34:31
  doesn't exist for regular people.
• 34:33
  If you have wealth, can be the biggest douche on the planet earth.
• 34:38
  And yes, you will get a green card and your spouse and your children under 21,
• 34:44
  the game is played very differently.
• 34:46
  And that angers me a little bit.
• 34:49
  so you brought up a very good, interesting point though that is gonna create a little
• 34:53
  bit of confusion because you mentioned that in order to be here in America,
• 34:58
  you need an entrepreneurial spirit.
• 35:00
  And guess who the people are.
• 35:02
  They're gonna create the wealth in different countries who have the
• 35:05
  amount of money to pay for that visa.
• 35:09
  It's gonna be people that have the entrepreneurial spirit, are the
• 35:12
  people that have the money in their countries to come over and pay for that.
• 35:16
  So you're rewarding the exact same people.
• 35:18
  You're just doing it faster.
• 35:21
  I hear your point, and I agree with your point, and I agree with a part
• 35:24
  of the point because it is also people that are not entrepreneurial.
• 35:28
  The ones that come from a rich family, the ones that have been given everything,
• 35:33
  the one that didn't make innocent out of themselves and their country.
• 35:36
  And that is a majority of them, they have money, not because
• 35:40
  they started from ground zero.
• 35:42
  Like a lot of people do in America and they become something, it's very hard
• 35:46
  to start from ground zero and become a multimillionaire in Russia, in Kazakhstan,
• 35:52
  in Mexico, especially doing it a right way without mafia, without corruption, without
• 35:59
  all shady stuff with the government.
• 36:01
  So while I love the idea that those are entrepreneurial people, the majority
• 36:06
  of those people are just being born with a golden spoon and the people
• 36:11
  that come from wealth, and therefore money gives them this opportunity.
• 36:17
  And Jerremy and I talked to a top immigration attorney, our last
• 36:22
  series on this, uh, a couple of weeks back, and she agrees with Yu Laa.
• 36:26
  Like we, we need a different set of, uh.
• 36:30
  It needs to be different.
• 36:31
  Like for instance, if you are a world class entrepreneur and you wanna
• 36:35
  start a business in a place like the United States, it has rule of law and
• 36:39
  it has like actual like the people that you need in order to build that.
• 36:42
  You can't get a visa.
• 36:44
  If you're a top salesperson, if you, if you're running a business here
• 36:47
  in the United States and you're top salesperson is in Mexico or Canada or
• 36:51
  Europe, they can't get a visa like it.
• 36:54
  Sure.
• 36:54
  If you're a scientist, yeah, you can get a visa.
• 36:57
  But if you are anything else, like, if you want to build something that
• 37:01
  is unique in America, forget it.
• 37:04
  It's incredibly difficult.
• 37:05
  So, Svetlana, you and, and a top immigration attorney completely agree,
• 37:09
  like we, we can't have this tied directly to business because businesses
• 37:13
  also feel very shackled in this.
• 37:15
  We need this, tied to the person and what they can do.
• 37:18
  And that's, that seems very American to so many people.
• 37:21
  But what I, we also heard a lot from you about.
• 37:24
  Sacrifices and scams and uncertainty and fear and this medieval bureaucracy.
• 37:32
  I, first, I am, I applaud you.
• 37:35
  Like the amount of bravery that it would take for me to even think about this
• 37:40
  at 16, 17, 18 years old is nowhere.
• 37:43
  Like the bravery that it takes for somebody to pick up and be
• 37:46
  like I'm going thousands of miles away and I'm gonna give it a shot.
• 37:50
  Thank you.
• 37:50
  That's amazing.
• 37:52
  And tell me a good story about your immigration journey.
• 37:55
  Was there a moment where you said, wow, this is home.
• 38:00
  The moment I got a passport and the tears were rolling down my eyes and my
• 38:06
  cheeks and just I remember going yes.
• 38:09
  And my passport and going into the ceremony and going through the citizenship
• 38:14
  and just recognizing that moment.
• 38:18
  Everything that it took at that point already.
• 38:21
  My first husband he died and that was another crazy thing.
• 38:25
  It was that if you are married, you get a green card, and then if you're
• 38:30
  still married, then it is three years.
• 38:32
  You can apply for citizenship, not if your husband dies.
• 38:36
  Now you have to wait longer.
• 38:38
  So there we are three more years later, and I felt like so much life
• 38:44
  happened by daytime, so much grief, but so much also amazing things.
• 38:48
  And really being there and being in that energy and recognizing, wow,
• 38:54
  like that was a moment of freedom.
• 38:57
  was a moment of, from this point on, do anything I wanted to do.
• 39:02
  I can create all the light, I can create any business.
• 39:05
  I can really step into my voice, into my power.
• 39:09
  Because you have those papers.
• 39:12
  You are always looking back and wondering if it's going to be
• 39:15
  taken away and at what moment.
• 39:18
  Yeah.
• 39:18
  And for me, that happened 15 years into my journey in America, which
• 39:23
  it doesn't change at this point.
• 39:24
  I am an American in my heart and I'm still worried what's gonna happen next because
• 39:29
  I don't have this paperwork aligning.
• 39:31
  But I remember thinking, oh, yes I have all the American spirit
• 39:36
  and this is my country, and I'll do whatever it takes to be here.
• 39:39
  For me, it was September 11th.
• 39:41
  I remember waking up in the morning and we had to do a circus show that
• 39:46
  morning and the plane hit the building and I remember feeling so I will do
• 39:53
  anything for this country to protect it, to be here, to fight for it.
• 39:59
  And that was my moment where I knew that I'm definitely gonna
• 40:01
  stay in this country forever.
• 40:04
  We did a series.
• 40:05
  In this series we talked to second and third generation.
• 40:09
  They described a phenomenon that Jerremy and I had never heard about,
• 40:13
  and I think they called it Jerremy.
• 40:14
  Do you remember what it was called?
• 40:15
  It was like crab potting
• 40:17
  Yeah
• 40:18
  and I, believe it or not, I heard it last night from my brother, from another
• 40:22
  mother, because his father is Austrian.
• 40:25
  And it's the, I did it the right way.
• 40:29
  I did it the hard way.
• 40:30
  And damn it, like it has to be hard for other people too.
• 40:33
  Almost like pulling the ladder up behind you.
• 40:36
  Have you experienced that in communities here in the United States
• 40:40
  or with other people like yourself?
• 40:42
  I mean always talk about how I did the hard way and every time I
• 40:48
  recognize there is an easier route being taken, I am upset about it.
• 40:54
  'cause I had to work really hard and I have to be and figure out
• 40:58
  ways and, have a second job.
• 41:00
  Do whatever it takes to make it work.
• 41:02
  And when somebody is.
• 41:04
  Saying, oh, for example, my whole thing is when you come to this country, I
• 41:09
  remember I spoke zero English, and I would sit in my circus trailer
• 41:15
  with a dictionary and I would study.
• 41:17
  That was my goal, to study 10 words a day.
• 41:20
  I instructed all of my Russian friends do not speak Russian to
• 41:24
  me because I'm in this country.
• 41:26
  I have to be able to speak the language.
• 41:28
  And I didn't speak to anybody for three months because I was
• 41:32
  studying, trying to get better.
• 41:34
  And then I went out, I went to our wardrobe lady and I decided to practice
• 41:37
  my English, and she responded back and she was so excited because the first time
• 41:41
  I spoke and she's blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 41:43
  I was like, oh my gosh, I'm not speaking for another six months.
• 41:44
  This is too intimidating.
• 41:46
  But I remember, so anytime I see people in this country who are not
• 41:50
  putting that type of effort, I get very frustrated because I remember at
• 41:56
  16 I could have been running around.
• 41:58
  Spending my money at the mall, but I was sitting in my trailer learning
• 42:03
  how to speak this language so I can respect this country as a foreigner.
• 42:08
  I feel and I really believe that at some point we need to put down the hardship
• 42:12
  story because otherwise it's just going to penetrate more and more hardship into
• 42:19
  the world and it's never going to end.
• 42:22
  If you come in America as an immigrant, it's going to be hard.
• 42:26
  It's going to be difficult.
• 42:28
  It is new.
• 42:29
  Yes, there are easier ways and they exist right now.
• 42:32
  People immigrate, people win green cards, and they come here
• 42:35
  on a green card that they want.
• 42:36
  But guess what?
• 42:37
  It's still difficult to figure out this world to figure out
• 42:41
  America and how it works.
• 42:43
  And so even though their journey not as difficult as ours or the
• 42:48
  way, my mind might perceive what hustle and struggle needs to be,
• 42:53
  everyone goes through their struggle.
• 42:55
  Who am I to say that your struggle is less of a struggle than my struggle?
• 43:00
  And why do we need to be so attached to everyone's freaking struggle and
• 43:04
  being broken apart in order to be deserving or worthy of something?
• 43:09
  So yes, maybe at some point we need to start leaning more into the
• 43:13
  healing versus just attaching to the story of how difficult my life was.
• 43:19
  Therefore, everyone else's life supposed to be difficult.
• 43:22
  It needs to be difficult because this is a story that creates so
• 43:26
  much distortion in the world.
• 43:28
  Is the story that creates.
• 43:31
  It just creates so much war and so much trauma all over the
• 43:34
  world, and not only in America.
• 43:36
  And at some point we'll need to start creating a different story.
• 43:39
  We had it hard.
• 43:40
  We can help out other generation to stand on our shoulders.
• 43:45
  We can guide them and we can show them a little more different way
• 43:50
  so that my children do not need to have it as hard because guess what?
• 43:55
  They will figure out.
• 43:56
  Their heart life will be life.
• 43:59
  be doing itself for them, and everyone will have an experience to grow into
• 44:03
  what they need to be grown into.
• 44:05
  That's a beautiful point of view, hearing the struggle stories
• 44:09
  for me gives me more hope.
• 44:11
  I know it's possible when I hear that someone overcomes something.
• 44:16
  And for sure, our children obviously are not gonna experience
• 44:20
  the hardships that we had.
• 44:21
  Have at easy just by being born here,
• 44:24
  We hope so.
• 44:26
  That's true.
• 44:27
  We hope so.
• 44:27
  Oh my gosh,
• 44:28
  So on that note then, on that topic, so far, everyone we've interviewed or
• 44:33
  everyone we've talked to has had a similar viewpoint on this question, so I'm very
• 44:38
  excited to see what you two both think.
• 44:41
  Should we open the borders, then make it very easy.
• 44:44
  If you're an immigrant, come.
• 44:47
  I have a twofold answer on this.
• 44:49
  Okay.
• 44:49
  and for me, being in my forties.
• 44:52
  Getting so lucky and having my first child, and maybe
• 44:55
  that's the only one I'll have.
• 44:58
  I constantly think about population decline or birth rates declining birth
• 45:05
  rate rates decline all over the world.
• 45:08
  And I feel like America has always been so strong because we have so much
• 45:12
  immigration and because we have so many more people that are being born.
• 45:15
  But now that rate is also declining and to thrive in the economy, we have
• 45:21
  to have new people that are constantly being born and working into the system.
• 45:26
  Let's say because of that, I feel like immigration is very needed
• 45:33
  for the countries to survive moving forward, opening up the borders,
• 45:38
  but at the same time opening up the borders and anyone comes.
• 45:41
  I feel like that's just gonna create a flood that is gonna be harder to manage
• 45:47
  or given everyone enough opportunity, but at the same time, I feel like
• 45:53
  immigration is very important part of the longevity for any country.
• 45:57
  I love this Olga, and I believe also it's not black and white.
• 46:01
  Nothing is black and white.
• 46:02
  We can say open the borders and don't open the borders.
• 46:05
  Absolutely.
• 46:07
  So yes, nothing is black and white.
• 46:09
  That is just open the border or close the border.
• 46:11
  We saw the border open and it was it shit show, and with saw it closed, then
• 46:15
  it's is so much fear that is going on and still NN not a great state to be in.
• 46:23
  As with everything, there needs to be a creative solution.
• 46:25
  It needs to be a new mindset, a new heart set that can look at it
• 46:30
  and say, okay, how can we do it?
• 46:33
  How we can maybe not open it, but crack open it.
• 46:37
  How can we allow people who are truly incredible that want an
• 46:42
  opportunity, they're going to do really good for this country?
• 46:45
  How can we allow them to come?
• 46:47
  Can there be a process for it?
• 46:50
  Can there be a group of people that interviews them?
• 46:53
  I definitely lean more into yes, versus just shut it down and let it
• 46:58
  be just for I, I feel like it's going to be so unnatural to America because
• 47:03
  it is a country of immigration, like that's going to be a very new
• 47:07
  America that we don't even know yet.
• 47:10
  And again, I don't know, maybe it is going to be a great America, maybe not,
• 47:14
  but it's going to be very different in my belief system, is that the
• 47:20
  door needs to be cracked open and the opportunity for people who are truly
• 47:25
  wanted to be here needs to exist.
• 47:28
  And we definitely have to have a new path to immigration under financial
• 47:34
  sector where there has to be a way where if I come to this country and
• 47:39
  I'm working minimum wage, there has to be some kind of immigration loan
• 47:45
  that is taken out of my paycheck, then maybe I don't even see that money.
• 47:49
  It just goes to that loan.
• 47:51
  So I have this fund to pay for legal fees, but I feel like none of that is set up.
• 47:57
  So everyone is just trying to skip by.
• 48:02
  when they're faced with a hard problem, then they have nothing to offer for that.
• 48:06
  And then people are just stuck and hiding and just creates this very hard
• 48:11
  process for anyone who is involved, who even wants to do it the proper way.
• 48:16
  Sure.
• 48:16
  There's some people who are just.
• 48:18
  Maybe they're here and they're just not trying to do it the right way.
• 48:22
  I'm sure there's a small percentage of people who are like that, but a lot
• 48:26
  of people want to do it right way, but they're not able to and creating some
• 48:30
  kind of a system where they could pay into it, even if it's a small amount.
• 48:34
  So there is paper trail that they're trying to do it the right way.
• 48:40
  Yeah.
• 48:40
  One of the words that both of you have used a few times now is legal, right?
• 48:45
  Legal system.
• 48:46
  And it also sounds like for our listeners and for, the thousands
• 48:50
  of people that tune into this every show and every week, from a private
• 48:54
  opportunity, a legal application.
• 48:58
  Literally a software, AI to help speed this up.
• 49:03
  Seems like a really great opportunity ultimately the threshold and the
• 49:10
  bottleneck sounds like it's very tied up into the legal system and to someone or
• 49:17
  numerous individuals looking at paperwork, seeing paperwork, seeing the application,
• 49:22
  making the decision, making the process.
• 49:24
  Right now there are thousands and thousands of judges, lawyers, courts,
• 49:32
  all tied up into just immigration where every single story is different.
• 49:36
  it also sounds like there is some solution there where if that process
• 49:41
  got sped up rather than 10 years, that number, that word, that phrase
• 49:46
  has been thrown around a few times, 10 years is a long fucking time.
• 49:50
  That's a decade.
• 49:51
  Let's figure out a way to get that process down to, are you a citizen in three years?
• 49:57
  Yes or no?
• 49:58
  if you pass something, if you into something, if you get a credit system
• 50:04
  built up we should figure out a way to be able to shorten that process.
• 50:07
  Because think a lot of it would be minimizing that paper trail,
• 50:12
  minimizing the time that a human has to look at certain applications.
• 50:16
  Do you think I'm on the right path there?
• 50:18
  I love your thinking and I love this path very much.
• 50:22
  And also the observation that anything that needs to be implemented
• 50:26
  in the government or in the legal or in the insurance world,
• 50:32
  like everything takes forever.
• 50:35
  And the pushback is so huge and for the allowing of AI to come in is going to be.
• 50:43
  big.
• 50:44
  So I'm not sure if just entrepreneurial individual with this idea can
• 50:49
  bring it into the government.
• 50:52
  I feel like it'll need to be a government's desire, and at least right
• 50:56
  now for where we at in America, there is no government desire for any of it.
• 51:01
  I think I have a solution.
• 51:03
  You guys, we take
• 51:05
  it to us.
• 51:06
  50% of the new ice agents and we give them a job processing claims instead.
• 51:13
  And I think we solve the problem in the waiting list.
• 51:17
  We'll need to heal them a little bit first.
• 51:19
  Yeah.
• 51:19
  But we'd spend so much more money deporting people.
• 51:23
  It would be better spent getting people in the office processing these
• 51:27
  claims because there's so much Gold is also there that could elevate
• 51:32
  this country on the whole next level.
• 51:34
  And unfortunately, these people aren't hiding because they're terrifi.
• 51:38
  Yeah, that's a great way to put it.
• 51:39
  I think many people, especially US citizens or people that have this
• 51:44
  extremely strict view on immigration, fail to realize that the top, I'd
• 51:50
  probably wager to say the top 15 richest individuals in the world that
• 51:54
  live in the United States of America immigrated here including Elon Musk.
• 51:58
  So ultimately a lot of incredible humans, a lot of incredible ideas, beliefs.
• 52:05
  When people get too stuck on the immigration policy and they try to make it
• 52:10
  extremely strict, they very often forget to both of your points, which you've made
• 52:14
  earlier, the history of America, this country was built on immigrants, right?
• 52:18
  Give us your sick, give us your tired.
• 52:20
  Give us your hungry.
• 52:21
  We will feed them.
• 52:22
  We will clothe them.
• 52:23
  That's what made this country great and to be the greatest country in the world.
• 52:27
  We still have the greatest problems, and this is one of them, right?
• 52:29
  Very few countries face the problem at scale that we do regarding immigration.
• 52:33
  They all face it, especially countries that have borders, France, Germany,
• 52:38
  England, Spain, Portugal, right?
• 52:41
  There's a many other countries that have immigration problems.
• 52:43
  It's just not to the scale that we do.
• 52:45
  And so what Olga, what you're mentioning is, Hey, you have
• 52:47
  this humongous budget, right?
• 52:50
  ICE is now the 17th military organization in the world with the stroke of a pin,
• 52:57
  seemingly to me is a little bit excessive, the money that's spent on just simply
• 53:01
  deporting people who were here illegally.
• 53:03
  And you figure out a way to blend it with what fella said earlier, which
• 53:07
  was, Hey, you're all approved, but you have to buy into this system.
• 53:10
  And you have half of the individuals that were brought in for ICE to process
• 53:16
  a claim, to give people, to talk to people, to communicate, to have
• 53:20
  conversations, put 'em into a system.
• 53:22
  And I think you used the word credit check earlier or building
• 53:25
  your credit report essentially.
• 53:26
  Building your immigration credit I think does have a lot of validation
• 53:31
  to it and a lot of validity.
• 53:33
  I think we should propose this.
• 53:34
  I think we should run for office.
• 53:36
  Fantastic.
• 53:37
  I love this.
• 53:38
  Dave, you're ready to say something?
• 53:40
  When we're talking about solutions, we've talked a lot about sort of
• 53:43
  the legal aspects, and I know a lot of this is wrapped up in legal.
• 53:47
  Your process was wrapped up in legal.
• 53:49
  Everyone that we've talked to second and third generation, critics,
• 53:54
  supporters, advocates, lawyers, everyone has said that by far America is the
• 54:03
  best in the world at integrating people from all over the planet.
• 54:10
  Tell me about the cultural integration.
• 54:14
  I'll give you an example.
• 54:15
  I live in Miami.
• 54:16
  English is very much the second language.
• 54:18
  If you don't speak Spanish here, you're at a huge disadvantage.
• 54:22
  And I've never been anywhere in the United States quite like that.
• 54:26
  And all of the people we've talked to said one of the things that their parents
• 54:31
  emphasized, and, heard you say it as well.
• 54:33
  English was so critical, and just that small cultural shift of saying,
• 54:39
  Hey, English is going to be important.
• 54:40
  We're going to teach it, we're gonna make sure it's
• 54:42
  immersive, is a real big step up.
• 54:45
  So tell me a little bit about your cultural journey.
• 54:49
  Oh, the other thing that everybody said particularly second
• 54:51
  generation, is they love their culture mainly through the food.
• 54:55
  Tell me about the cultural aspects.
• 54:57
  Things that aren't about politics or about the administration
• 55:02
  or about the laws around this.
• 55:05
  What would you say maybe to immigrants before they're arriving?
• 55:10
  Something about improving their odds about building a life here in the United States.
• 55:15
  I say that English, absolutely.
• 55:18
  If you speak the language, you have opportunity.
• 55:20
  If you don't speak the language, you have very limited
• 55:22
  opportunities, almost nothing.
• 55:25
  if you actually wanted to succeed in America, you have to speak the language.
• 55:30
  And the better language you speak, the more opportunities
• 55:33
  you will have to get better jobs right away to create more income.
• 55:37
  Therefore, that income will help you to pay for the legal
• 55:39
  fees and everything else.
• 55:41
  If you don't speak English, you will be working under the table somewhere and
• 55:47
  it'll be very difficult journey for you.
• 55:50
  I agreed and when I was 17, I was barely speaking English and I got lost in Miami.
• 55:55
  And you're right, no one spoke English and I don't know how I got home.
• 55:59
  I got lost in the gas station.
• 56:01
  And I think that's why I have such a strong, like everyone
• 56:04
  have to speak the language.
• 56:05
  If I'm in this country, I have to understand you and I'm doing
• 56:09
  my best to communicate with you.
• 56:11
  So I want everyone else to communicate with the same language back.
• 56:15
  Let's flip this around a little bit.
• 56:17
  A lot of this is like federal because that's where it's at.
• 56:19
  What could communities or neighborhoods or groups do to
• 56:24
  make this easier for immigrants?
• 56:26
  I have to go back to the immigrant themselves.
• 56:29
  You have to have the discipline and the will to put in the work.
• 56:36
  It doesn't matter what communities can set up for you, but if you don't wanna put in
• 56:40
  that work, there is all of these available things around you would not be helpful.
• 56:46
  And I believe there is quite a bit, at least in Las Vegas,
• 56:49
  going on in the community.
• 56:50
  I know there are all kind of English classes in the libraries.
• 56:54
  That can be taken.
• 56:55
  Yes.
• 56:56
  sometimes it's inconvenient.
• 56:57
  And again, immigrants, a lot of times they don't have a car, they cannot drive.
• 57:01
  The bus system is not very good, but things are available and if you want
• 57:06
  to, you can find a way to get there.
• 57:09
  my mother went through some of those classes.
• 57:12
  A friend of mine also did and it really helped her and she is doing
• 57:17
  really right now and she didn't speak any English when she came to states.
• 57:22
  So I believe that if you thinking about coming to this country, you have to speak
• 57:27
  English, start the process right away.
• 57:30
  And what about the role of mentorship, How could that play a part in this?
• 57:35
  From more established immigrants helping newcomers to integrate faster?
• 57:42
  Is that something that we should create?
• 57:45
  That's mandatory, that's optional.
• 57:48
  That's more open, more aware, more available, easier to access.
• 57:54
  Would that help?
• 57:56
  I feel like it would help, absolutely.
• 57:58
  I think it's a really great idea to create something like that.
• 58:02
  at least in my experience, there is almost this unspoken code of immigrants that
• 58:07
  when you meet another one that been in a country a little bit less, you help out
• 58:11
  and you educate and you show the way, and you show the path and you engage.
• 58:16
  it was a part of my past.
• 58:18
  And I know that it's been a pa now.
• 58:20
  It's been a part of my past back.
• 58:22
  And so there is almost like this unspoken code that I see you and I understand
• 58:27
  your struggle and if I can make your struggle just a little bit less.
• 58:33
  Just by even sharing that and understanding that or helping
• 58:37
  in some kind of way or the connection, I'm here for you.
• 58:41
  And I see that culture, quite a bit with immigrants.
• 58:47
  We definitely we see each other and we know the difficulty
• 58:51
  that we are going through.
• 58:53
  And I think with us Eastern Europeans, I feel like we always find our tribe
• 58:57
  and everybody has different stories.
• 58:59
  So then you're like, oh, this is available and this is available.
• 59:01
  Okay, I can do it this way and that way.
• 59:03
  So we definitely have that.
• 59:04
  But creating something specifically to help immigrants is just, immigrated to
• 59:09
  Los Angeles, it would be so hard to find that pocket and like, where's that pocket?
• 59:13
  Oh, is it 10 miles away, three miles away?
• 59:15
  But it's still gonna take me an hour to get there to talk to somebody.
• 59:19
  It just becomes a lot of barriers.
• 59:22
  So those pockets have to be available all over the place.
• 59:24
  So people like, oh, I'm in Culver City and around the corner there's a
• 59:28
  group that meets about immigration, and I can learn more things and
• 59:32
  see how I can advance myself here.
• 59:35
  But I believe right now with the world that we are in, even right now,
• 59:38
  that we are having the conversation in such a way we can actually have
• 59:42
  something more central that is online.
• 59:44
  We can build systems online, we can have the communities, we can have maybe
• 59:49
  people that facilitate and they're willing to give their time online.
• 59:54
  And guess what?
• 59:54
  You can go to library and access a computer for an hour.
• 59:59
  So with the internet being where it is at, I feel like it is definitely very possible
• 1:00:05
  to create support for the immigrants that is led by other immigrants.
• 1:00:10
  And I love this idea, Jerremy.
• 1:00:13
  In 2025 and beyond, I would say that probably 98% of every human that's in the
• 1:00:21
  US is gonna have access to a cell phone.
• 1:00:23
  And with every flip, phones are gone.
• 1:00:26
  So pretty much every phone's gonna have access to cell towers.
• 1:00:30
  And if you have access to cell towers, you have access to internet, which again,
• 1:00:33
  makes it faster and easier and obtainable.
• 1:00:36
  'cause again, really what I'm doing and the point of this entire show, as
• 1:00:39
  we all know is solving the problems, coming up with solutions where dilate and
• 1:00:44
  discern and dictate and both myself and Dave sit down and then just collaborate
• 1:00:49
  on what we've actually learned and what we think would work because I do
• 1:00:52
  plan on running for office all again.
• 1:00:53
  I want to implement a lot of changes and shifts and opportunities
• 1:00:56
  that I think could be faster or just, more available or easier.
• 1:01:01
  I do believe that there does.
• 1:01:03
  Need to be a sprinkle of hardship, meaning prove yourself.
• 1:01:07
  If you're gonna come to this country, we wanna make sure that you're an
• 1:01:10
  incredible human being, but at the same exact instance, that can be
• 1:01:13
  something that should be simpler than it is now which is fun.
• 1:01:18
  But just as an exciting question that I think would be enjoyable for me
• 1:01:22
  and Dave to hear what's one thing you still find confusing about us culture?
• 1:01:30
  Eating mashed potatoes with cranberry sauce.
• 1:01:34
  I would go with mashed potatoes with the skin on top too.
• 1:01:38
  Okay.
• 1:01:38
  We never, ever, we had all eaten like that are not cooked, or
• 1:01:42
  broccoli that is not cooked.
• 1:01:45
  Oh, honey, on top of fried chicken,
• 1:01:49
  Oh, first of all, honey, on everything is amazing to be
• 1:01:53
  GRA Gravy.
• 1:01:55
  I got comfortable with the skins and potatoes because I've learned that
• 1:01:58
  there's so many more vitamins in the skin.
• 1:02:00
  So I'm like, okay, I'll deal with that.
• 1:02:02
  I'm thinking, like I'm such an American now.
• 1:02:07
  My mom would always say, oh, you're such an American now.
• 1:02:11
  And it's because, I prioritize work and I like to accomplish things and
• 1:02:16
  I like certain things certain way.
• 1:02:20
  What a great compliment to be called American.
• 1:02:23
  I guess if my mom were to answer this question, she would say, what a weird
• 1:02:27
  concept of putting ice in your water.
• 1:02:31
  No ice in water, please.
• 1:02:33
  That was the biggest thing.
• 1:02:35
  So do you still find yourself doing that still?
• 1:02:37
  I
• 1:02:38
  I.
• 1:02:39
  I chill my water, but I don't put ice in it.
• 1:02:42
  She was like, I don't need any ice.
• 1:02:43
  I'm like, how?
• 1:02:45
  How are you drinking this water with no ice?
• 1:02:48
  This is mind blowing to me.
• 1:02:49
  Yep.
• 1:02:50
  There you
• 1:02:50
  There you
• 1:02:51
  I went the other way.
• 1:02:52
  My boo is Turkish.
• 1:02:53
  I couldn't even imagine ice and water at this point.
• 1:02:56
  So you both mentioned food.
• 1:02:58
  What is your comfort food?
• 1:03:00
  In Russia, I grew up eating pelini, which is the meat dumplings, and I ate them
• 1:03:05
  ever since I was seven years old, and I'm still obsessed with it in America.
• 1:03:10
  So many foods, I love Indian food.
• 1:03:12
  Is that an answer?
• 1:03:14
  That's something I could never have in Russia, so I love Indian food.
• 1:03:19
  Yes, I feel like everything that was made, like bread type of things,
• 1:03:24
  like I feel like we grew up on bread.
• 1:03:25
  My grandma would be always bacon, pieros, all kind of things.
• 1:03:29
  And so every time I am in that like rooted, soulful energy, like I wanted
• 1:03:37
  to make something hardy and it would have, some element of flour in it.
• 1:03:43
  So that is definitely it.
• 1:03:46
  It's just a part of a DNA fun question for me.
• 1:03:50
  are there very few Russian restaurants.
• 1:03:55
  Good
• 1:03:55
  you, it's not that good.
• 1:03:58
  It's not,
• 1:03:58
  okay and I have to
• 1:03:59
  it's the same stuff.
• 1:04:01
  It's the same stuff.
• 1:04:02
  It's same ingredients, which just mixed up in a different way.
• 1:04:06
  mayo
• 1:04:07
  A different way.
• 1:04:09
  I don't know.
• 1:04:09
  I have to disagree a little bit because I love Russian food, but my partner is
• 1:04:13
  American and he is I cannot have this.
• 1:04:14
  This is, it is just, everything is mixed with Mayo.
• 1:04:18
  I just cannot have this couple of things he enjoys, but he would
• 1:04:22
  never wake up in the morning.
• 1:04:24
  He's Hey, we should go out tonight.
• 1:04:25
  Let's go to a Russian restaurant.
• 1:04:26
  That would never happen.
• 1:04:28
  She's never requested that.
• 1:04:29
  Exactly.
• 1:04:29
  It's never once.
• 1:04:30
  Here's what happens to me.
• 1:04:32
  I do crave Russian, especially when I got pregnant.
• 1:04:34
  I was like, oh, I wanna do is eat Russian food and I would order all this Russian
• 1:04:38
  food and then it would come to me, and then I would say I could make it better
• 1:04:42
  and then I just end up making it at home.
• 1:04:44
  But I don't make it it is just a special occasion for me where
• 1:04:48
  I'll make all the Russian food.
• 1:04:49
  However, during Christmas in Russia, we would always make oreshki.
• 1:04:55
  Let's see.
• 1:04:56
  Yeah, so it's like a really it looks like a walnut and it's a cookie that
• 1:05:01
  is filled with boiled condensed milk.
• 1:05:05
  It's delicious.
• 1:05:07
  So every Christmas now I make this, and my partner is obsessed.
• 1:05:11
  And yes, Jerremy, you have to try.
• 1:05:14
  I would like a delicious cookie for Christmas.
• 1:05:16
  That sounds great.
• 1:05:18
  Oh my goodness.
• 1:05:18
  That's not what I get.
• 1:05:19
  That's not what he gets.
• 1:05:20
  Nope.
• 1:05:20
  I get herring under the fur coat for Christmas.
• 1:05:23
  no.
• 1:05:24
  He does every Christmas.
• 1:05:25
  I make that beautiful salad that he is oh my God,
• 1:05:30
  Yeah.
• 1:05:31
  Yeah.
• 1:05:31
  I love it.
• 1:05:32
  And we, I live in Los Angeles, so we do have a few Russian restaurants, but
• 1:05:37
  not a lot of them survive long term.
• 1:05:40
  And I remember one of my favorite restaurants in New York, it was
• 1:05:44
  Ukrainian restaurant, and it went out of business as well, but it was the best.
• 1:05:48
  And they had every single flavored vodka you could think of, and
• 1:05:53
  experience was incredible.
• 1:05:55
  And they still shut down because not a lot of people like it.
• 1:05:59
  Yeah.
• 1:05:59
  Unless if it's a Russian restaurant, unless you are Russian,
• 1:06:01
  Ukrainian, like Soviet Union, you're not going to go there.
• 1:06:05
  Yeah.
• 1:06:05
  As you said, like you're not going to wake up and say, I'm going to go
• 1:06:08
  to Russian restaurant for experience.
• 1:06:10
  You might do it once.
• 1:06:11
  You'll taste their foot and you're like, I will be just fine.
• 1:06:14
  I'll open this question up for Dave also or anyone who wants to answer.
• 1:06:17
  What's the biggest myth Americans believe about immigrants?
• 1:06:25
  That we are taking their jobs.
• 1:06:27
  Okay.
• 1:06:28
  I feel it is a crazy myth.
• 1:06:30
  A lot of those jobs that I've been right now done by immigrants, most of the
• 1:06:37
  immigrants that do not speak the language, Americans don't wanna do those jobs.
• 1:06:43
  Like Americans are privileged.
• 1:06:47
  They want things easy.
• 1:06:50
  They do not want to work more than 40 hours.
• 1:06:52
  They do not want to work three jobs.
• 1:06:55
  And they also very entitled and feel like they do just the best job ever
• 1:07:01
  they didn't actually see other jobs.
• 1:07:05
  And yes, a lot of times we have to do those jobs because Americans don't
• 1:07:11
  wanna do those jobs and those are the only jobs that are available.
• 1:07:15
  when I was illegal, I was putting flyers, pizza flyers at 6:00 AM
• 1:07:19
  in someone else's apartments.
• 1:07:21
  Like what American Wakes up was like, this is my job, don't take my job.
• 1:07:25
  Please take it fine.
• 1:07:28
  I also
• 1:07:28
  yes, go ahead.
• 1:07:29
  for your previous question.
• 1:07:31
  You said the culture shock, what was the biggest thing where you're like, oh,
• 1:07:34
  you in America now, like what happened?
• 1:07:36
  I was in a circus.
• 1:07:37
  I was 16.
• 1:07:38
  We were rehearsing our show and I remember we're in the middle of rehearsing one of
• 1:07:43
  the acts and something was not working.
• 1:07:45
  We just had to figure out how to fit it into the show.
• 1:07:48
  And I remember somebody walks in and goes, okay, it's lunch everybody.
• 1:07:54
  And my mind was blown.
• 1:07:55
  In Russia, you don't take lunch.
• 1:07:58
  You work until you fix the problem.
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  Where in America you have labor laws and you have to stop, and you have to
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  let people go, have lunch, and then you come back and you start over, which a
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  lot of times it'll take you longer to get going, but that's just how it goes.
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  I think my answer depends on where you're at, right?
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  I think, you know, I grew up in Washington, DC and I think if you're
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  in an urban environment, I think one of the biggest myths that you have
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  are immigrants are really great.
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  And the reality is, is immigrants are just immigrants and they're just people, right?
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  And I think if you live outside of urban environments, immigrants are
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  really scary and they're othered.
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  And then I've seen it in communities where maybe agricultural communities,
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  immigrants are just integrated.
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  So I think it really just sort of depends, you know, like there, there
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  seems to be like odd black and white.
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  Mentalities around things.
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  And when we remove those barriers you know, like, it's like, wow, these
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  are just people and they just are, they're just from someplace else.
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  But then again, you know, like if you spend any time in America, you
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  are from someplace else, right?
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  Like, I'm, I'm from Washington, I lived in San Francisco, I lived in Miami.
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  Like, I'm from somewhere else.
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  And it's just, it's just people.
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  So that's what I think the myths around immigration are, is that
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  it gets black and white and it's like, nah, people are people.
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  People are people.
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  That is a statement from DC Dave Conley.
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  Very accurate as well.
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  All good.
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  Just wanna say thank you so much for taking your time to be here
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  and share with us your stories.
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  Share with us your victories of how you overcame and how you are now just
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  such a rockstar American who creates value for people all over the world.
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  And it's Ana.
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  Thank you for sharing with us different opinions, beliefs, thoughts on how we can
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  collaborate and come together as humans, as citizens to embark on love and healing.
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  It's gonna be an incredible episode for every single person to listen.
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  And please feel free to share this episode with any of your friends
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  if they are immigrants or not.
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  We would love a five star review and they can share this episode.
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  They can tag us, solve USA Pod on X, or Solving America's Problems.
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  on Instagram, Olga Solana.
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  you so much for your time.
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  Thank you for having us.
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  . What did we learn, Dave?
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  What did we learn?
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  What did we learn?
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  One thing that I definitely learned is the rhetoric.
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  The advertisement that come to America.
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  We have everything that you want, your dreams, the opportunity
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  that's still very much alive and probably has been and probably will
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  continue to be for a very long time.
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  This is another statement by you that we as a country have.
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  The best immigration policy process, although it's still flawed and it's
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  still archaic and still muddied at times, comparatively, we're still nailing it.
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  We're still doing quite well.
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  And that brings me hope because there, there can certainly be changes, there
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  can certainly be shifts, and I think Solana in this episode said that
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  really the mindset probably could, that could shift into is just one of.
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  Abundance, one of opportunity, one of prosperity.
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  One that saying, Hey, there's plenty to go around.
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  There's more than enough.
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  We can figure this out.
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  It's okay for us to do that, right?
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  It's okay for us to go, Hey, listen, we need more immigrants.
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  We want more people.
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  This is going to be something that's gonna provide more versus take away from, right?
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  That scarcity mindset of if immigrants come into this nation, then.
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  If Americans aren't gonna have any jobs, I think you need to be worried
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  a lot more about robots and AI taking your jobs than you do immigrants.
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  That's actually happening for sure.
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  So we need to continue to figure out a way.
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  To build together, to create more, to scale more, to entertain
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  more, to have more, right.
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  That's really the mindset of abundance, and I think that the right people
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  in place, the right policy changes, the right metrics and the right
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  discussions, the right stories, the right conversations and communications,
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  I think would create space for that.
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  And I also learned that in probably about six of our overall general topics.
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  Police reform being one of them, and now immigration, that it's the legal
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  process that is one of the largest bottlenecks and probably the thing
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  that needs to get solved the fastest.
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  What did you learn DC.
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  I learned that immigrants are tough as nails.
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  They're.
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  Bad asses.
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  Bad.
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  I hear people complaining about their coffee, right?
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  And the hoops, the bureaucracy the fear.
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  I don't think that the vast majority of people, certainly
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  the vast majority of Americans.
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  Would put up with any of that.
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  If we had anything that we had to do as native born Americans, that
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  was a of what immigrants have to go through, we would lose our minds.
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  There would be riots in the streets.
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  Every politician be thrown out like it would be bedlam.
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  kept on going and we did it.
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  I am blown away about, their bravery and the grit.
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  And I don't think that story is heard about immigrants because
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  their story is not unique.
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  Their story is pretty typical, even easier in some ways.
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  One of the big things I've learned through this series is.
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  America is so good at this and equally awful at it.
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  And the immigrants who go through this process and become American
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  citizens are like super citizens.
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  Like they are patriotic and they are proud.
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  And they are strong and they're tough.
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  And like they come here and they succeed over and over again.
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  That's what I learned, like it sucks and they are.
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  Amazing.
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  Just truly amazing.
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  That part I do love.
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  Yeah.
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  When, if you come here and most people come here, I think
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  Phila brought this point.
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  They come here, they really wanna be here.
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  They probably good chance they're risking their life.
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  Or, danger, physical danger 'cause it's not easy to get here from another nation,
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  FYI, so it's probably gonna be very hard.
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  They wanna be here.
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  You mentioned this in another place, they had to skip all the other countries
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  that they could have easily gone to.
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  It probably would be almost if not as safe.
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  They're skipping them.
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  They just go, they keep going.
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  They keep walking through all the different countries
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  and borders to get here.
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  So the people that do make it really wanna be here, and they're
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  not gonna give it up easily.
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  And so they're gonna try, they're gonna produce, they're gonna provide,
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  they're gonna create, and they're really going to be a bedrock of this nation.
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  They're gonna be your school teachers.
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  Janitors, they're gonna be your construction workers.
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  They're gonna be your individuals that are building this country from
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  the inside out, the people that we might not give a lot of credit to
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  they're gonna win because they have to.
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  It's no longer a for them, it becomes a must, and that must becomes a standard,
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  and that standard dictates their life.
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  I also learned, Dave, that I think that we got some solutions, man.
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  I think we're getting to a point where a lot of immigrants really like the
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  idea, and I do as well along with the immigration attorney, like some type
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  of checklist credit, credit score esque type of approach where it's like proof
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  to us have the system in place that you can, build live here, maintain, create.
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  It's trackable.
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  It's 2025, right?
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  Like we can easily build something that's trackable, that's replicatable, that's
• 1:15:38
  easy, that's simple to install, that people can willingly sign up for and be a
• 1:15:44
  part of where they can pay into a system.
• 1:15:47
  They can be a part of the system where we do make it faster, easier,
• 1:15:50
  quicker to be a citizen here.
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  So our.
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  This is our final episode.
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  We'll have a wrap up.
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  That'll be our next one from this.
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  But I want you thinking about this.
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  Okay, this is my thought experiment between now and when we do
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  our, what did we, our overall, what did we learn in this?
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  Because I keep hearing this one thing, which is, it was
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  hard and I'm better from it.
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  I'm curious on the solution side, if.
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  ' cause we've also heard, it's oh, let's make it easier.
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  Let's make it faster.
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  Let's make it, and I'm wondering if no.
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  We keep it hard, we just take all the stupid out of it.
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  Like we keep, we pull out the bureaucracy, we pull out the confusion
• 1:16:30
  and the fear and the uncertainty.
• 1:16:32
  But it, it's still hard, right?
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  Like maybe it still is this trial in a sense.
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  I don't know if that's right or not, but I wanna think about it.
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  Because.
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  There is some value to that.
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  I don't know if maybe it's not fair.
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  I don't know that's what I'm gonna be thinking about.
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  I ask that maybe you do too.
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  Or maybe ask your lovely wife.
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  In our next episode, ladies and gentlemen, it's gonna be an absolute doozy where both
• 1:16:53
  Dave and myself discuss are we removing the greatest gifts that immigrants
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  give themselves, that America gives them as well the challenge to create
• 1:17:06
  and the obstacle to become better.
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  We'll see you in the next episode of solving America's Problem.