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Feminist Movie Friday: Clueless · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm walking stuff. I
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  Speaker 1: never told you Abduction of iHeart Radio, and.
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  Speaker 2: We're doing another classic for this feminist movie Friday, because
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  Speaker 2: we'd love a good classic. Excuse my voice. I'm started
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  Speaker 2: to think that I'm now going into my late night
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  Speaker 2: radio voice, you know, that kind of easy, smooth listening.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not as good as Delilah. Do you all remember Delilah?
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  Speaker 2: This is a throwback as well in the nineties eighties,
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  Speaker 2: I think, do you know what I'm talking about?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. But when I
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  Speaker 1: first started, somebody wrote in and said, you remind me
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  Speaker 1: of the schweaty Ball segment from Saturday Night.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that actually made me choke. It's amazing, you know what.
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  Speaker 2: That's a compliment because the NPR voice is a special
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  Speaker 2: voice that people have and it's very soothing. I need
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  Speaker 2: to channel that. I need to channel that with my
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  Speaker 2: mixed Korean country accent I have. But anyway, speaking of classics, yes,
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: because Shreddy Balls is a classic. M'st be honest, We're
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  Speaker 2: coming back with a thirty year old classic. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we do this all the time, where
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  Speaker 2: we hit it right on the head. And yes, it's
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  Speaker 2: from a like a nineteen ninety five movie, and the
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  Speaker 2: fact that that's thirty years makes me again have a
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  Speaker 2: panic attack because what anyway, moving on, and you know what,
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  Speaker 2: this is also one of those surprise but not surprise
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  Speaker 2: movies that Annie has never seen. I was I was
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  Speaker 2: like what, I was like, yeah, okay, that tracks. How
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  Speaker 2: old were you when this came out? It was ninety five,
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  Speaker 2: have been like six or seven? Yeah, so you were young,
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  Speaker 2: but you watched a lot later on, so I'm surprised
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  Speaker 2: that it never came back to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of too. No, Wow, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So of course I had to make a request for
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  Speaker 2: you to tell us what you have envisioned or what
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  Speaker 2: you were thinking that this movie is about before even
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  Speaker 2: watching it, because again, I've not met many people who
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  Speaker 2: have not seen this movie, so I needed to know
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  Speaker 2: what you thought this movie was going to be about.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm not sure we said it, but we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about Clueless.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we got to add that, y'all. We were
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  Speaker 2: talking about Clueless, Yes, the classic.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully the title would give you some heads up on that.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, I had not seen it, so I wrote
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  Speaker 1: this prediction before I watched it, and here here's the quote.
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  Speaker 1: I think that romance will happen between the lead actress
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  Speaker 1: who wears iconic outfits and drives nice cars with Paul Rudd.
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  Speaker 1: She is clueless about how good a guy he is,
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  Speaker 1: and or she must confront how oblivious she is in
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  Speaker 1: terms of money. Also, this is not Clue. I kept
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  Speaker 1: having to remind myself, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is another classic which I loved as a kid. Clue
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  Speaker 2: was one of my favorite favorite movies. I could quote
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  Speaker 2: that movie so well as a kid, and I didn't
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  Speaker 2: even know half the things that it's like. It meant
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  Speaker 2: like Red Herring had no clue what that meant, but
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  Speaker 2: I said it often and I didn't know it was anyway,
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  Speaker 2: We're not talking about Clue, correct. I liked your predictions
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  Speaker 2: is very generic. Yeah, you know, I mean how wrong I.
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  Speaker 1: Have to say. When I first started watching it and
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  Speaker 1: I found out Paul Rudd was the like stepbrother, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I'm so wrong. I'm gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: make fun of myself. And I was like, oh, okay, well, there's.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of questionable things in this that we're going
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  Speaker 2: to come back to that I was like, uh, maybe
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  Speaker 2: maybe this shouldn't have been a thing, but whatever, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to come back. But yes, thank you for that. Again,
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  Speaker 2: you were really young, so honestly not surprised that you
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  Speaker 2: didn't see it initially coming out, but I am surprised
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  Speaker 2: that it never popped back up for you because it
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  Speaker 2: is a classic, like people reference it videos. Ariana Grande
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  Speaker 2: did a whole thing with this. I think the Australian
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  Speaker 2: White Rapper Igizelia also through like a montage of it,
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  Speaker 2: essentially kind of giving a throwbacks, and there's been plenty
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  Speaker 2: since then because it's it's iconic. It's iconic. So this
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  Speaker 2: is actually a retelling of Emma, and I didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to tell you that. Have you ever read Emma, which
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  Speaker 2: is a Jane Austin classic? No, you know anything about Emma?
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  Speaker 2: Right then? Actually, Emma is one of two films that
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  Speaker 2: stars Gwyneth Paltrow that I actually liked, and both of
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  Speaker 2: the films that I like with her. She has an
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  Speaker 2: English accent which makes me laugh. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: good either, but I loved the movies. It was Emma,
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  Speaker 2: which is like she kind of has that crying face
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  Speaker 2: similar to Claire Days where everybody's like very distinctive crying face,
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  Speaker 2: and she does that in Emma as well as Sliding Doors,
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  Speaker 2: which is another movie that we're not talking about. And
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  Speaker 2: so while we were looking for an inclusive film that
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  Speaker 2: had a director that was a woman as well as
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  Speaker 2: written by a woman, as well as starring a woman,
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  Speaker 2: it was actually really difficult to find all the classics
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  Speaker 2: because we were trying to do something lighthearted with all
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: of these things that we're talking about. We're having some
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  Speaker 2: really great interviews with really deep talks, and we're like,
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  Speaker 2: we'll do something that's kind of easy and like a
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  Speaker 2: classic again, something that we would want to revisit so eventually,
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  Speaker 2: so might as well do it now. But it was
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  Speaker 2: really hard to find something that actually had all of
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  Speaker 2: those criterias met because all of the classics that I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: this is all to watch this one was you usually
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  Speaker 2: directed by men, which I found surprising because the writers
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  Speaker 2: may have been women who have pretty big names in
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  Speaker 2: the industry that could control. And don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 2: and not that not that men can't direct. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: they're great at their job, you know, for men, but
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  Speaker 2: like it's surprising in an industry that is lacking so
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  Speaker 2: much when it comes to uh specifically directors who are women,
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  Speaker 2: that they wouldn't find one. But anyway, this is how
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  Speaker 2: it came upon Clueless again, one of the classics that
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  Speaker 2: I did want to come revisit anyway, because yes, it's
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  Speaker 2: one that exists that has all of those criterias met
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  Speaker 2: as well as the fact that it is inclusive enough
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  Speaker 2: that it actually has black characters that are not stereotypical
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  Speaker 2: but stereotypical. So I don't know if that's a blossom not,
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  Speaker 2: but you know what I mean. So let's jump into
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  Speaker 2: it into Amy Heckerling's nineteen ninety five at classic Clueless,
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  Speaker 2: which has Alicia Silverstone playing the iconic Schaer Horowitz, Stacey
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  Speaker 2: Dad as Dion Davenport, Britney Murphy as Ty Fraser, Paul
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  Speaker 2: Rudd as Josh Lucas, and so many others that you
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  Speaker 2: will recognize obviously, and I'm not giving you know O
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  Speaker 2: to them, but the list goes on and on. You
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  Speaker 2: can go and look them up on IMDb. Not a sponsor,
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  Speaker 2: so let's start Share is a popular sixteen year old
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  Speaker 2: almost sixteen year old with high standards in a privileged
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  Speaker 2: life during her trying times of finding out that she
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  Speaker 2: did not do so well during her mid terms, she
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  Speaker 2: decided to not only negotiate for better grades, but also
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  Speaker 2: help out the lonely teachers that seem so miserable as well.
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  Speaker 2: So she, with the help of her best friend diond
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  Speaker 2: both named after famous musicians, UH worked their magic to
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  Speaker 2: get mister Hall, the debate teacher, together with Misgeist, the
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  Speaker 2: ethics teacher. By the way, I did not have these
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  Speaker 2: subjects in high school, and this is my high school era.
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  Speaker 2: Did you have those subjects?
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  Speaker 1: I had ethics, did you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I think it was grouped with so something else, but
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  Speaker 1: there was ethics in the title. And then we've talked
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  Speaker 1: about this. I had a class that featured debate, but
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it a debate class. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That was in our English class, and it wasn't really
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  Speaker 2: that much debate. Maybe I just didn't take the right classes.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like debate was more of
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  Speaker 1: an after school activity. But I did have a class
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  Speaker 1: where we engaged it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. Interesting. So, with their plans successful, she
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  Speaker 2: has done. The chair successful into philanthropy pushes her into
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  Speaker 2: doing more and it's during this time she means Tie
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  Speaker 2: a transplant from the East Coast. She Share and Diane
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  Speaker 2: take her under her wings to transform her to become
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  Speaker 2: a third in their group, all the while shared stepbrother
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  Speaker 2: who was no longer her stepbrother since his mother and
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  Speaker 2: her dad divorced. So but it comes around Josh have
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  Speaker 2: clashed due to their differences, but of course in a
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  Speaker 2: playful teasing manner. Josh is a law student, I think
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  Speaker 2: because that will put him a twenty something twenties anyway,
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  Speaker 2: a student with hopes of being an environmental law coming
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  Speaker 2: to stay often with them, and was also very helpful
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  Speaker 2: for her father's current case, which is like a big deal,
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  Speaker 2: high profile, big deal. We never know what it's about though.
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  Speaker 2: Back to Shares a special project Dion, and she's set
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  Speaker 2: to make Ti the new popular girl and to get
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  Speaker 2: her a boyfriend, because you know, popularity means you have
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  Speaker 2: to have a boyfriend. Although Tye makes it a connection
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  Speaker 2: with the class local class clown and high dude. He's
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  Speaker 2: always hied and a skater boy. He's a skater boy.
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  Speaker 1: He's a skater boy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Travis Cher advises her to find a more suitable
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  Speaker 2: mate like Elton. By the way, the character Elton name
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: is actually in Emma, I remember correctly. She doesn't bring
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  Speaker 2: that over anyway. Another popular kid whose father is a
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  Speaker 2: music producer also a play on that. Unfortunately, Elton has
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  Speaker 2: eyes for Share and this soon crushes thy spirit and
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  Speaker 2: everybody else is planned. At the same time, a new
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: face comes into town, Christian, who Share is excited by
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  Speaker 2: for the first time. So after pulling all her tricks
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  Speaker 2: and seemingly being rejected, Oh no, she finds out that
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  Speaker 2: he's actually gay, of course, and the two of them
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  Speaker 2: become good friends, you know. At the same time, we
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  Speaker 2: see that Josh rescues Tie from an embarrassing situation. Here
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  Speaker 2: we have a fun guest, Mighty Mighty Bosstones. Do you
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  Speaker 2: know who that is? Any? Did you know that was
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  Speaker 2: a band?
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  Speaker 1: I think they have a song that I know. It's
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  Speaker 1: like a really popular one.
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  Speaker 2: This is a big SKA era because also they featured
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  Speaker 2: like a No Doubt in here. So this as long
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  Speaker 2: as as well as ten Things I Hate About You,
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  Speaker 2: have some amazing good like SKA tracks. Did you pick
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: up on the No Doubt one? I'm just a girl?
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  Speaker 1: Oh at the beginning?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, yes, checking chick uh and Ty becomes smitten.
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  Speaker 2: After being rescued and all as things turned into Ty's favor,
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  Speaker 2: she suddenly becomes the it girl, which is now no
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  Speaker 2: longer Share, and at the same time, Share fails her
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  Speaker 2: drivers test, so no Shares confused, but through her long
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: process of trying to figure things out, she realizes that
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  Speaker 2: she actually likes Josh and has a crush on Josh
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  Speaker 2: and the fact that her tricks won't work on Josh
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  Speaker 2: because you know, he's a college boy very much older
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  Speaker 2: than her. But anyway, moving on, But soon they find
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  Speaker 2: out that feelings were reciprocated and Ty once again realizes
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  Speaker 2: she has a thing for Travis and at the wedding
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  Speaker 2: of mister Hall and Missguy, so we have a happy
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  Speaker 2: ending with everybody with their respective coupling.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and fighting over the bouquet.
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  Speaker 2: Fighting over the bouquet, a little bit of flashing happens,
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  Speaker 2: all those things, but Share wins.
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  Speaker 1: End of show.
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  Speaker 2: Any tell me your thoughts on this movie?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, Well, I'm sure I'll have plenty of thoughts
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  Speaker 1: in the themes. But I did really enjoy it. It
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  Speaker 1: was quite It was not at all what I was expecting,
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  Speaker 1: despite my vague prediction being kind of close. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was it was funny, Like I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was really funny. There were a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: that showed up. I wasn't expecting that. I enjoyed. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know Donald I was gonna be in there. The
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  Speaker 1: accents were fun. I couldn't quite pin it down, but
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  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed them. And yeah, it was just kind
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: of a goofy. It was fun as the viewer because
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: you sort of know the punchline already. You get that
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  Speaker 1: she's clueless already, so it was sort of fun to
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: hear her inner monologue and her trying to figure things
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  Speaker 1: out when you're like, oh, I know. It also had
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: some moments that kind of I was not expecting. I
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: got like the being held up at gunpoint part freaked
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  Speaker 1: me out. I was not expecting that at all. There
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  Speaker 1: was just a couple of beats where I was like, okay, no,
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  Speaker 1: I did not I did not know this was coming.
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  Speaker 1: But no, I really I really enjoyed it. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was it was a fun It was a fun one, right.
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  Speaker 2: It's the fun I think it's really easy watching very
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  Speaker 2: fun one. It sort of holds up in that, at
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  Speaker 2: least with the stereotype. They know when they're ridiculous like it.
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  Speaker 2: It's very overstated and obvious what they're doing, I will say.
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  Speaker 2: So let's go into the themes of course friendship. Friendship.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the nineties really had some good setups for
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  Speaker 2: girls supporting girls, women supporting women, and I think this
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  Speaker 2: is one of those that definitely did tie in. Dion's
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  Speaker 2: friendship is very like honest and brutal, but like really
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  Speaker 2: cute and sincere. Like you wouldn't expect it to be
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  Speaker 2: as chummy as they are and supportive. You expect it
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  Speaker 2: to be like Amber, you know, the character who comes
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  Speaker 2: in as like the opposite to share and her foil
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: essentially in the back and forth they have and the
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  Speaker 2: jealousy and all of that nonsense. But you also have
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  Speaker 2: the girls caring for girls the whole, like helping tie
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: of course, it was like charitable work in their head
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  Speaker 2: and it turned into oh no, she's really cool type
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  Speaker 2: of conversation. So it's really cute on that level. The
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  Speaker 2: late Brittany Murphy who played this character rip she did
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  Speaker 2: it an amazing job. They talked about her coming in
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  Speaker 2: an audition and being like on point, and both she
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: and Alicia Silverstone really kind of came up from this role,
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  Speaker 2: like this was kind of their beginning and they kind
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  Speaker 2: of shot out into the universe. Brittany had always had
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: that vocal talent, so they featured her singing at the
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: you know, super cute with her being like a little
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  Speaker 2: bit clumsy, like adorable person that she is. So it
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  Speaker 2: was it was a nice little back and forth with them,
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  Speaker 2: and of course the iconic lines of as if yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know that's that stuck around. That stuck around for
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  Speaker 2: a long while, as well as you know Brittany Murphy's
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: line your virgin who can't drive?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the reaction Alicia Stilversona had a response
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  Speaker 1: to that. She's I was like, oh my gosh.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Girl, you hurt. She says, She's like, that was way harsh.
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  Speaker 2: I love that they did say that the whole speech
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  Speaker 2: when she talks about the Haitians, her mispronunciation, she didn't
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  Speaker 2: know she was mispronouncing it, and like when people were
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  Speaker 2: trying to correct it. The director he groling was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: don't tell her, don't tell her. This is too cute.
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  Speaker 2: We have to keep the sense no one tell her,
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  Speaker 2: So like stuff like that. Super cute, but yes, the
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  Speaker 2: whole friendship I really did like. And then they come
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  Speaker 2: back together and like apologizing and realizing where they were
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  Speaker 2: wrong and then like rebuilding that friendship into that. So
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was really sweet on that level. And
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  Speaker 2: then you have I've got charity work, Like essentially, there's
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  Speaker 2: so much conversation about what rich people think would be
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  Speaker 2: charity work, and it feels like this is on point
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  Speaker 2: when she's helping to get all the donations for the
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  Speaker 2: hurricane victims and all of that, and she's like among caviar,
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  Speaker 2: of course, skis skis, but you know why, you do
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  Speaker 2: what you can. And then her talking about her the
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  Speaker 2: maid or the parts of the housekeeper and giving her her
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: the APLETs, and then you know the fact that she's
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: racist and called her Mexican and saying that I don't
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  Speaker 2: speak Mexican. I'm like, e yeah, So we have that,
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  Speaker 2: and it does kind of come to the fact that
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  Speaker 2: like she's means well, but she's obviously very clueless in
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  Speaker 2: her privilege.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, And I mean that's kind of the
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  Speaker 1: you know, the ultimateth thing with her and Dionne taking
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: on Tie as a kind of charity case. In the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: and then at the end, towards the end, after they
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  Speaker 1: tie and share have their big fight, she's like, what
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  Speaker 1: monster have I created? And guess what tie ends up
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: with the person she wanted in the beginning that they
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  Speaker 1: steered her away from, so kind of having this well
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  Speaker 1: meaning but completely clueless understanding of how things act actually work,
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  Speaker 1: and just the way because you do get to see, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is another thing I really love about this movie.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of teenage movies do this. We've talked about
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  Speaker 1: this before. I love how it's like they start class
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  Speaker 1: and then she'll go up and do her debate and
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  Speaker 1: then class is over. It's got to be like a
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  Speaker 1: five minute class. I love it. But every debate you
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: see her and she's like just clearly not connecting. She's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: at this garden party I had and people that NORSVP
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  Speaker 1: and she doesn't quite get it. And that's the you know.
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  Speaker 1: The interesting thing with her and Josh is that Josh
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: is allegedly totally the opposite, where he's like, you never
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: think about anybody but yourself, And there is sort of
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  Speaker 1: an ailment too, of the kind of white guilt of
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I want to make myself feel better, and she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: quite understand that either, Like she's doing a lot of
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  Speaker 1: this for her, not because she actually cares.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: She does kind of change towards the end when she
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: helps Miss Guist with the environmental effort, but it's still
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: sort of you know, she feels bad, so she.
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  Speaker 2: Wants to her repertoive like I'm a good person, right,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: and she does that a lot, to the point that he,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: like Josh, does call that out. I'm like, I'm sure
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: this is serving you more than it is serving them,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: is helping you more than it is helping them. So like,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: you know, all of that is like very true, but
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: in her mind that's okay, it could be both. Uh.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: And then we got the theme of love. Right, So
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Misgeist and mister Hall getting together. That's a super cute
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: bit awkward bit, But the fact that their bad moods
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: could be resolved by love such a romantic trope. That
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: idea that like, yes, if they're in a good mood,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: then if they find love, that's all they need to
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: solve all of the problems. Everybody's problems obviously, I mean
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: not gonna be wrong. When you're excited about a new relationship,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: it does help and it does make you feel better,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: and it does people can see that as well. But
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I thought I was interesting. Yeah. So when I was
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: realizing I'm not gonna lie, I was thinking about this
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: movie before I watched it and thinking about, you know,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: what will we talk about in it? And I remembered
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the age gap and I was like, wait, is she
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: a senior? Oh, she's not a senior's sixteen? She's sixteen.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: She's sixteen this day was in college or at least,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: like the very least he's eighteen, but they're talking about
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: him being in law school, so he's probably at least twenty.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: They never say his age appropriately, so but I'm like, oh, no, oh, no, no,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: why why would we be so happy with this?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: It's funny because I was looking up there was an
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: actor that I was like, I want to know who
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: this is, looking it up on IMDb, and the first
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: like Google results of you know what people search the
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: most was what is the age?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Did you get the result of that? That?
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't click on it, but yeah, yeah, And
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: it is kind of funny because we didn't talk about
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: this before, but Chaer doesn't is at first very against
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: dating high school boys. As mentioned, is a virgin and
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: it is really happy with that, which I kind of appreciated,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: but then she sort of gets the taste for it
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: after she meets this gay guy. Unfortunately, I mean unfortunately
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: that's that was not going to work out. But yeah,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: but she I couldn't tell if it was supposed to
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: be sort of a play on that because she didn't
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: end up with a high school boy. She ended up
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: with a college boy, right. And I remember this for
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: my time in high school. I don't know if you're
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: school was like this, but at prom, if you had
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: somebody was coming from another school or who was older
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: than a certain age, you had to get a slip
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: filled out like it was a whole deal, and it
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: was kind of like very gossip worthy of she's got
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: a college boy or something like that.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I just remember when people would talk about it, it would
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: be a scandal, because what college boy wants to come
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: back for a prom, Like if it was kind of
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: seen as shameful or a college person, not just a boy,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: college person to come back to high school, which is
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: still like a year or two difference typically, so it
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: was like still looked out. I'm like, you couldn't find
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: anything better to do.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Well our proms, I'm sure you probably would agree with me,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: but small town problems were not.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: It was definitely in the cafeteria.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, our was in the.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I was in the cafeteria, but like we all went
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: to Atlanta to eat and then came back yes to
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I think we went to the hard Rock Cafe.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I went to Ruby Tuesday one time.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Owinner Tuesday.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: So the first prom, I can't remember where we went.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Then we went to a steakhouse in Canton. If you're
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: from Georgia, North Georgia, you know. And I had invited
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: a friend that had moved before we went to prom,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't dating, but I didn't date anybody in
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: high school. So he came with us and he was
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: acting like by date and it freaked me out. I'm like, no, bro,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: we're just I just wanted you to be with us
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: and I'm the only one that's single. So but like
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: he would hug me and I was like, no, we're
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: not dating, We're not dating. And then the second prom drama,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the guy who wanted to take me had just broken
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: up with my friend, and so I'm very like good
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: uh like good friends I would never, so I said no.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: We said no, and he was like, I can take
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you and her, and I'm like, that's super weird. I'm
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: not doing that. And then I had another guy who
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: was just a good guy friend who was supposed to
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: go with me, but his best friend tricked him into
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: asking another girl because they were wanting to go with pears.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Like her best friend was like, not going to go
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: unless she had a date, and he was like he
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: had apologized to me later because I was like, I
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: thought we were gonna go together. So I went by
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: myself with a crew of all my friends that had
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: all of their dates. They went on a carriage ride
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: and I stayed.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: In the car. Goodness, wow, I mean that you could
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: have had a movie.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: So that was my prom experience. But I think all
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: of the dates, like we had at least two of
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: our friends who brought So that guy that I was
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: talking about, he was a year older, but like he
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: didn't go to college anywhere he lived in town. I
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: don't think he technically graduated high school. I think he
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: got a ged, which is not a problem, but like
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: he had never gone to a problem before, so of
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: course we want him to come. But yeah, we've never
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: had to do a slip, never had someone from college
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: come back. Well, I'm sure we have. That's not true.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: But again it was one of those like side eye,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: why are you here? M conversations, because like, why would
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: you come back to go to a prom in a
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: cafeteria where the main song was she thinks my tractor
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: are sexy? You think and I'm not? That was the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: main song for our prom? Wow?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Wow wow wow wow. That's interesting. I mean, I feel
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: like we had this similar There was a similar vibe,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: but there was also a vibe of like, I don't know, mystery,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: how did you get this college person to come?
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, for the person, yes, for the college person. No,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: but yeah seeing this person like Paul Rudd's character who
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: getting lawsuited, thoroughly confused.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the funny thing is, you know, this movie
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: is rife with I would say, magical movie makeovers. The
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: funny thing is, as I said, when I first started,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I'm so wrong about
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: this prediction. WHOA. But then there's the scene where Cher's
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: walking down the stairs in her white dress to go
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: on to what she thinks is a date with Christian
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and Paul Rudd looks at her and he's like, you're
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: not gonna let her go out like that to her dad,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, I might actually right.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: And you were and you were. There's so many things
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: to that. That's like, first of all, why are they drinking?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: The nineties did not care? No, I guess they don't
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: care now either, to be honest, like they have to
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: be cool all of those things, talking about espressos and
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: all these things, and no one really caring enough. The
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: fact that she's driving about with no license made me laugh.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I was like, wait, why are they okay with this?
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Were we just really strict and ridiculous or is this
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: a trope that like they we did me being that
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: age of what a she was, I was like, man,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I wish I was like her. I wish I was
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: cool like her. I wish I could do the outfits
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: and the closets and the shoes and all these things.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: So she was actually Alicia Silverstone was actually eighteen, so
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: she wasn't too far in age when she filmed this,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: So all of those things just like wow, like looking back,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: what she looked like versus what I looked like? Two
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: different two different places in life, two different places in life.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: But with that, I know you you had to have
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: been loving the technology, the computer, the media. When she
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: is basing her day on the outfit that she's going
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: to wear. Yes, that was an actual program if I
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: remember correctly, like they created one I think after the fact.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, so listeners, look, you gotta look this up. But
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: basically it very near the opening of the movie uh
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Share is on an old computer. Oh and she has
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: like a graphic for the top and the bottom of
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: an outfit and at the along the bottom of the
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: screen you can see things like jacket and pan and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: all this, and she's just putting together these outfits and
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: it'll say like mismatch until she finally is like fall
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: fashion and she gets a match and that's what she wears.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: But yes, I was. I was stunned and very happy
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: to witness this.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: This is like the upgraded paper dolls essentially when you
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: mix like different clothes. But I remember, yeah, they I
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: think I want to say Vogue did something like where
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: they created this for you. So if you can download
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: a program with AOL like, no, none of these are
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: just like Swanson, but you can create your own profile
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: and try these iconic outfits. I think if I remember correctly,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I could be wrong. Listeners, I know you know what
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about, So come back and tell me some
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: of you in my generation, because I'm pretty sure this
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: was something that came out after because people were so
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: excited by it, like they like, we would love this.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Although I did not have outfits like that a B.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't have a lot of outfits, so it didn't
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: take that much effort to put together one. Uh. This
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: was my era of like I would wear jeans, a
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: T shirt and a flannel shirt. That was my go to,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: like to the point that I remember people would draw
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: me that would be the outfit every time. Hey, it
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: still holds up along with my cardigans along. I've just
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: switched it up for cardigans and hoodies. But yeah, but
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: it was quite funny to see that iconic fashion that again,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: that her opening outfit, the yellow plaid suit, small tweet
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: jacket and such. That's iconic. People know that that's the outfit.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: People mimic.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I knew.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: An O to this show, the hat that Dion wears,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I remember that being a thing as well.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I think like this was the era of the Jeep,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: the California kids, California girls and the Jeeps and the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: California Boys and the jeep with the the top down
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: which flips very easily and kills a lot of people.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: But you know, he's okay, you do you just drive carefully.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I did laugh when they got on the freeway and
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: it was such a dramatic scene They're all scream because
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I know that's kind of an LA inside joke, but
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: it was just very funny.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: But also like, I've been in traffic in LA and
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: with the drivers that we've been with terrifying.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, terrifying.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: And I say, this is an Atlanta driver who was
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: pretty aggressive in Atlanta. LA traffic is a whole different conversation.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: And the way they weave in and out. I knew
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: we were going to die, but he cut that. He
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: cut the time down ten minutes somehow. The adventure we had,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: the last adventure we had in LA, they took us
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: the back roads and like we're gonna get murdered.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, wow, where are we going?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: But he was he was just as confused as like,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know where we're going. I've never been this
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: way and I'm like, sir, sir, please don't tell us
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: this surprise things.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: But yes I did.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Then the cell phones, the constant communicate.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: They were in school just on their cell phones, in
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: class on their cell phones.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: It was the beginning too, like nineteen ninety five, So
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I'm really surprised. It wasn't the giant phones, but it
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: was the ones with the antenna all the way up
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: that you had to slam down. It was not a smartphone,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: not a smartphone, no, no pictures could be taken. But
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I do remember that I didn't have a cell phone
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: until I was out of for college, and that had
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: an antenna. I love that phone, man, I love that phone.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: A good reception. That was before like all of the
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: yeah awful things happen. But with that the cell phone.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Did they have a pager? Yeah, they at the very beginning,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: at the very beginning, because he was paging her the
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: entire time.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Dion's boyfriend, Murray was paging.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Murray Donald Donald face on, which is hysterical because they
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: do go back and forth and you do have a
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: moment of like Dawson's Creek monologue or like a dialogue
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: in which he sounds really adult and tie comes in
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and she's like, wow, y'all talk like adults. And then
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: they simpled it down, like kind of dumb it down
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: with Yeah, the school is really good. It's a really
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: good school.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I love like.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I felt like that was an ode to that as well.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that is the classic clueless and we did
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: it in the thirtieth year. I'm sure we'll hear more
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: about it. I feel like they talk more about it
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: and like do July because that was the last article
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: was like the twenty fifth anniversary. I think twenty with
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: the anniversary is a bigger deal than the thirtieth, but
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: who knows. There was nothing surprising. There was nothing that
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't remember from that movie. So I was like, okay,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: so I've seen this enough. Yeah. I was surprised about
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: how young Paul would look because he still looks so young.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had that thought too. I had that thought too.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about like all the women in the cast,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and then I was like, but Paul read nothing against him,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: but he's the one that's like, you know, still really
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: active for various reasons. But I was like, yeah, I
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: mean he's still still looks like that. Essentially, they do
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: have a lot of talk abo about that in here.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: A lot of jokes about like, you know, getting liposection
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: or getting cosmetic surgery of some kind, and a lot
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: of weight jokes, which was just very common in the nineties.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: But they were done, like you said, pretty like tongue
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: in cheek, right, But yeah, they're.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: There, Like there was shaming, but you're not your typical
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: It wasn't very like one sided. Was there absolute like
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: obvious indications. Yes, it's the nineties, of course, but like
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: it's not as horrific as some movies really.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Go oh yeah, No, A lot of it did feel
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: very very like we know what we're doing here, right.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Right, So there you go, Annie, Thank you for going
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: down this memoried lane your first time with me.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: It was fun. I had no idea what was going
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: to have, but I didn't know what I was in for.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy to me.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: And I had a good time. I had a good time.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: So I can recommend Okay listeners if you have any
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: thoughts about this or any recommendations. I know a lot
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: of people go as clueless for like Halloween or something,
• 36:12
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• 36:14
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• 36:17
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• 36:29
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• 36:31
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• 36:34
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