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Will Mississippi man go free in horrible burning murder of Jessica Chambers? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. He told the jury that this was like
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Speaker 1: a puzzle, Yes, sir, and it took you basically four
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Speaker 1: James Paul Rowland says his process for the investigation is
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Speaker 1: similar to making a thousand piece puzzle. Sometimes you must
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Speaker 1: put pieces off to the side and then bring them
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Speaker 1: back in. He says that's exactly what he did with
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Speaker 1: Quentin tell Us. He would either give us a different
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Speaker 1: time frame or say it didn't happen until we presented
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Speaker 1: him with data that conflicted he was saying, and then
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Speaker 1: he would change his story. Raoul had presented a power
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Speaker 1: point presentation with cell phone data and surveillance video showing
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Speaker 1: almost every move Chambers and tell Us made. This is
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Speaker 1: the last time we will ever, suggested cheers. When all
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Speaker 1: this evidence was shown to tell Us, he started remembering
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Speaker 1: the details of that fatal night. Until then, investigators say
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Speaker 1: they believe he was withholding information. Do people have a
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Speaker 1: reason to lie? Are they be deceptive? They do? And
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Speaker 1: what would would that reason be because they're guilty. You
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Speaker 1: are hearing the very latest out of the courtroom. That
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Speaker 1: is our friend reporter Alexa Lorenzo at Fox thirteen in
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Speaker 1: MVAS describing what's going down in the court of law.
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Speaker 1: We have all been watching and waiting as a trial
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Speaker 1: regarding the murder death by lighter fluid. It was first
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Speaker 1: called of a teen girl cheerleader in Mississippi. I Ancy, Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: We are bringing you the very latest out of that courtroom.
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Speaker 1: With me is ter Rests April from the Clarion Ledger,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, judge, lawyer, founder of child Crimewatch dot com,
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Speaker 1: Cock turned p I, Vincent Hill, renowned medical examiner Dr
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Speaker 1: Jan Gorniac, and Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert, Professor Forensics
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, death investigator and author of Blood Beneath
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Speaker 1: My Feet Straight out to Terress April with a Clarion Ledger.
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Speaker 1: You know, this guy has changed his story so many times.
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Speaker 1: I've tried to keep a flow chart of it. Terress
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Speaker 1: and his latest story, and I'm gonna start at the
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Speaker 1: facts from the beginning. Just a moment, but I've got
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Speaker 1: to react to what's happening in the courtroom because one
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Speaker 1: of his latest story is he was burned. Now we
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Speaker 1: know the victim was burned head to toe, basically the
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Speaker 1: bottom of her feet or one of the only parts
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Speaker 1: of her body that were unburned. She's wandering on the
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Speaker 1: side of the road, completely charred. Witnesses says she looked
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Speaker 1: like a sixty year old woman or here was a fuzzball.
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Speaker 1: Her skin was falling off her face, She was burned alive.
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Speaker 1: This guy, according to cell phone records, was with her
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Speaker 1: all the way through that afternoon and into the evening,
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Speaker 1: actually tells police that he got burn marks on his
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Speaker 1: arms from jumping over a bonfire. Did Did I get
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Speaker 1: that correctly to us? Yes? And it was interesting, Um,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people were freaking out through the prosecution
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Speaker 1: didn't bring that out more. Um. But again in the
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Speaker 1: trial last year, they didn't even play that clip. This
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Speaker 1: year they allowed it to play. But the problem was
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Speaker 1: that tell Us had this story about jumping over the bonfire,
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Speaker 1: and they couldn't disprove that that was where the burns
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Speaker 1: came from. However, I've talked to a few that say
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Speaker 1: that they believe that he jumped over the bonfire and
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Speaker 1: fell into it in order to cover the burns from
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Speaker 1: that night. That doesn't even make sense that you jump
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Speaker 1: over a bonfire and then you fall part of the
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Speaker 1: way back in straight out to Joe Scott Morgan, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath my feet J Scott. When you are
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Speaker 1: looking at a person's body, or when you are calculating
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Speaker 1: a story like this, what type of evidence would you
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Speaker 1: be looking for to confirm or refute that he got
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Speaker 1: burned from jumping over a bonfire the very same night
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Speaker 1: that this woman who he had been pestering for sex
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Speaker 1: happened to burn to death. I think probably the key
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Speaker 1: thing that you would want to look for is the
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Speaker 1: severity of the burns. Are they consistent with someone that
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Speaker 1: would have been present, say, for instance, one of Uh,
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Speaker 1: if you're talking about like the use of an accelerant
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Speaker 1: like lighter fluid, if it flashed over you know how
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Speaker 1: it suddenly explode, explodes like this when it comes in
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Speaker 1: contact with fire, Uh, these gases and and is that consistent?
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Speaker 1: Or he falls, you know, like our reporter was referring to,
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Speaker 1: he he falls into the bonfire and places his arms
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Speaker 1: there for a protracted period of time. Those types of
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Speaker 1: injuries are going to have a different appearance to them.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is Fulton County Medical Examiner Dr. Gene Gornea,
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Speaker 1: Dr Cornet. I've prosecuted a lot of arson cases, but
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Speaker 1: all my victims were dead. Um, they didn't get to
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Speaker 1: say anything or speak the way Jessica Chambers did. My
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Speaker 1: point is Quentin tell Us is very much alive, the
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Speaker 1: guy charged in her murder. What would you expect to
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Speaker 1: see on his body if he had actually jumped over
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Speaker 1: a bonfire? Well, there's so many variables that are gonna
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Speaker 1: have to come into play. One, how big with the fire,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So if you're thinking about
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Speaker 1: I mean, his whole body is going through When you
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Speaker 1: think of those those fault bonfires you know in the
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Speaker 1: back yard that they can get pretty big. One down
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Speaker 1: on the beach and get pretty big. So one, why
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Speaker 1: would you jump through a fire? That would be one.
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Speaker 1: But what is he wearing? Um, I would more expect
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Speaker 1: maybe lower I mean you're jumping over, you expect injuries
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Speaker 1: to the lower half of the body before you something
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Speaker 1: to the to the arms. But not knowing where the
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Speaker 1: burns are on his on his arms, I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: Is it the palms of his hands, because that would
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Speaker 1: be consistent with falling in because instinctively we'll put our
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Speaker 1: hands out. So does he have burns to his palms
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Speaker 1: or does he have burns to his his forearms? So
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Speaker 1: it just depends on where the burns are there's so
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Speaker 1: man imparable. I said, Nancy, how big is the fire?
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Speaker 1: What type of clothes was he wearing? And you know,
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Speaker 1: was he in shorts? Was he in long pants? Same thing?
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Speaker 1: So just like um, the investigator says, it's just you'll
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Speaker 1: see from patterns of burns depending on what what he did.
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Speaker 1: You know, all you're a judge, all your Can we
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Speaker 1: just get real for a moment. I mean, I can
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Speaker 1: get bogged down and the experts because they know about
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Speaker 1: burn marks so intricately. But Ashley, really, seriously, he's with
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Speaker 1: this girl the whole day, he's on the phone, he's
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Speaker 1: pestering her for sex, goes on and on and on,
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Speaker 1: she say no. And then the night that she is
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Speaker 1: burned alive to her death. This teen girl, Okay, my
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Speaker 1: daughter is about to turn eleven? Is is my son?
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Speaker 1: So is yours? Ashley, yours just turned eleven, And you
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Speaker 1: want to tell me that within a couple of hours
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Speaker 1: he gets burned in a bonfire. Really, I don't believe
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Speaker 1: in that coincidence. And often when I hear cases, there
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Speaker 1: is no thing as a coincidence, right, it is a
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Speaker 1: bunch of crap. And the other piece of that is
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Speaker 1: don't forget he changed his story so many times that
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Speaker 1: that is after they finally got him from No, I
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Speaker 1: didn't see her. I wasn't with her too. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was with her for the day. So no, it
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Speaker 1: is a bunch of crap. I mean, Vincent Hill caught
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Speaker 1: hern p I can we all just get real just
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Speaker 1: for a moment. He wants me to believe that this
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Speaker 1: girl that I would say, I think they should have
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Speaker 1: added a rape charge myself because she said no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: no no no. By the way, he deleted all the
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Speaker 1: texts as to sex. And then suddenly she's in a
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Speaker 1: car with a seat pushed back and she's been uh
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Speaker 1: set on fire. And he says within the hour he's
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Speaker 1: jumping over a bonfire and got burned. What what about
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Speaker 1: the rest of his body? How come his arms, which
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Speaker 1: is what would have gotten on fire if he had
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Speaker 1: set a gasolene fire, I mean it would have been burned.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Vincent, the voice of reason helped me out
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Speaker 1: here for Pete's sake. Yeah, Nancy, I don't believe anyone's
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Speaker 1: buying this bonfires stories. But more importantly than that, not
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Speaker 1: only did he change his story, he changed his clothes
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Speaker 1: from earlier in that day. Now he claims he wants
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Speaker 1: to go take a shower. But I guess if you
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Speaker 1: had gasoline all over you, you'd want to take a shower.
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Nancy, the cell phone data does not
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Speaker 1: lie he It shows he was with Jessica up unto
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Speaker 1: a certain point. His phone wasn't silent for several minutes,
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Speaker 1: almost an hour, and then his phone is acted again.
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Speaker 1: That would leave very little time for someone to do
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Speaker 1: this crime of opportunity with Jessica unless it was the
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Speaker 1: last person known to be with her. You know, the
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Speaker 1: whole cell phone data issue is just a whole another
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Speaker 1: can of worms. So before I jump into that can
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Speaker 1: of worms, that barrel of snakes, which I think nails him,
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Speaker 1: totally nails him, because to disbelieve the phone records, which
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Speaker 1: I'm going to get into, you have to believe that
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Speaker 1: he was in touch with her and around her all
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Speaker 1: day and then there at the end, right when she
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Speaker 1: gets set on fire and dies, somebody else suits in
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Speaker 1: and kills her. H Listen, it looked like a zombie
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Speaker 1: walking towards us, Because I'm in the way she was walking.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't walking fast, her hands are out front over
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Speaker 1: one first responder after the other testified. Jessica Chambers looked awful,
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Speaker 1: horrific with burns over of her body. Back out to
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Speaker 1: to rest, April with the clarion ledger. Just tell me
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Speaker 1: to rest. What happened over the weekend. I mean they
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Speaker 1: went through trial the whole weekend. While we were at
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Speaker 1: soccer games, in the grocery store and grilling out, they
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Speaker 1: were hard at work in the courthouse going forward with
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Speaker 1: this case. Now. I respect that I tried a lot
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Speaker 1: of cases over the weekend, and it hurts even more
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Speaker 1: when you know your family is at home, you know,
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Speaker 1: grilling out, and you're in the courtroom. But they didn't
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Speaker 1: give up. Tell me what happened, you know what start
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Speaker 1: at the beginning to rest for people just joining us.
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Speaker 1: Tell me the story of Jessica Chambers. Well, she was
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Speaker 1: a nineteen year old girl in Panola County, Mississippi. Um,
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Speaker 1: she had recently been getting her life back together. She's
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Speaker 1: been in a rehab for a little while and um
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Speaker 1: she's gotten a job and everything like that. And at
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Speaker 1: some point she comes across Quentin tell Us. Um. Prosecutors
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Speaker 1: believed that they had only known each other a week
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Speaker 1: when this happened. Um, one night, they the fire department
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Speaker 1: gets the call of a burning car. They go out
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Speaker 1: there thinking they're going to a routine car fire, and
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Speaker 1: they find her there. Wait a minute, wait, wh wh
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Speaker 1: why you probably left this out because you don't consider
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Speaker 1: it important. But wasn't she caught on surveillance video at
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Speaker 1: a gas station and is tell us in that video
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Speaker 1: before the fire breaks out. Well, it depends on which
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Speaker 1: video you're talking about. Um, there are multiple videos from
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Speaker 1: the gas station, but the last one where you can
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Speaker 1: see her. Um, he is not in that video, and
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Speaker 1: that was part of that's part of one of the
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Speaker 1: things that the defense is trying to capitalize on. But
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Speaker 1: throughout the day you see the two of them, and
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Speaker 1: throughout that week, Um, you know that that was where
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Speaker 1: everybody hung out. So, yes, she was on the video
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Speaker 1: from the gas station, and tell Us himself had been
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Speaker 1: on that video multiple times that day as well, at
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Speaker 1: the same time she was in one situation. Yes, Um,
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Speaker 1: well there's a place where you can tell that she
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Speaker 1: is off camera. She pulls in after he has walked
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Speaker 1: off Canada. So it's um, it's a little convoluted, but yes,
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Speaker 1: they can put them there at the same time. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so remind me to circle back to rest a poll
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Speaker 1: Clarion Ledger to those cell phone records. But anyway, long
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Speaker 1: story short, they have been texting and hanging around throughout
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Speaker 1: the day. We know he's been pestering her for sex.
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Speaker 1: She's saying no, no, no, no no. Okay, lead me
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Speaker 1: up to that evening. Okay, that evening she has they
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Speaker 1: have gone to Batestille together. Now, Quentin's first story was
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Speaker 1: that he wasn't with her at all. His next story
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Speaker 1: was that, yeah, they both went to Taco Bell, but
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Speaker 1: he rode in a different truck and they followed her
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Speaker 1: to Taco Bell, at which point he got out in
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Speaker 1: an adjacent parking lot and got in the car and
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Speaker 1: went through the drive through with her, and then got
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Speaker 1: back out and got in the other car. Right, Sorry
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Speaker 1: to break in. Got a question. He went through the
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Speaker 1: drive through with the burn victim, the teen girl, Jessica Chambers.
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Speaker 1: What time was that and is their video of that? Um?
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Speaker 1: There is no video in the drive through. Oh, this
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Speaker 1: goes down on the burning goes down around UM seven
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Speaker 1: thirty correct. H Yeah, So if he's with her in
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Speaker 1: the late afternoon. I've never heard Vincent hillth what the hey,
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Speaker 1: a taco bell with no surveillance video, I've never heard
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Speaker 1: of it. Well, I think the problem, Nancy is, uh
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Speaker 1: police didn't find out about until much later. Well somebody
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Speaker 1: somebody had to use their credit card or their a
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Speaker 1: t M. I'm guessing. But okay, you know what, I
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Speaker 1: can't get bogged down in the cops not getting the
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Speaker 1: surveillance video because I would really have liked to see
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Speaker 1: the surveillance video, Ashley Wilcott. I mean, in this day
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Speaker 1: and age, people think they're in a c s I
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Speaker 1: TV program. They are expecting video. They're expecting uh, sent
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Speaker 1: dogs and DNA and touch DNA and an impact. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if there's video and you don't produce it, that makes
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Speaker 1: a very bad impression. Ashley. Ye, it does, because the
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Speaker 1: assumption is going to be and I think it's a
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Speaker 1: fair one. There is no video, There is no proof
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Speaker 1: that they were on video together. But remember in this case, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this is all, as we all know, circumstantial evidence, and
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Speaker 1: so the prosecution's job is to put together every little
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Speaker 1: piece of circumstantial evidence to say there's no clear conclusion
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Speaker 1: other than the fact he did it. That's the only
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Speaker 1: conclusion you can reach based on the evidence. So if
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Speaker 1: you look, even without the video, if you look at
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Speaker 1: all the evidence together, I think the prosecution is presented
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Speaker 1: a very strong case to say the only conclusion you
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Speaker 1: can make jury is that he did this. You know,
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Speaker 1: we are going through with a fine tooth comb the
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Speaker 1: evidence as it is pouring from the witness stand In
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Speaker 1: the case of Quentin tell Us in the murder of
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Speaker 1: a teen girl cheerleader in Mississippi, Jessica Chambers, what a
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Speaker 1: horrific death he passers by, describes her staggering down the
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Speaker 1: side of the road. I'll tell you what I think happened,
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Speaker 1: and so do police. Um that after the what I
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Speaker 1: believe to have been a rape in the car, he
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Speaker 1: strangled her, thought she was dead, came back and doused
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Speaker 1: the car to hide the evidence, and burned her aligne.
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Speaker 1: She gets out, tries to get away, and the rest
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Speaker 1: is history. As we get bobbed down in all of
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Speaker 1: these facts which you have to do to try a case,
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Speaker 1: I want you to remember who we're talking about. Listen
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Speaker 1: to Jessica's mother. Would you tell the jury about Jessica
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Speaker 1: growing up? She was just a lovely child. She like
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Speaker 1: to play softball, She liked to cheer um, just so
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Speaker 1: loving chow. Did she go to Did she attend a
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Speaker 1: local school here? Yes she did. She grabs a cheerleader,
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Speaker 1: Yes she was. Did she graduate from South panolahskold. Can
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Speaker 1: you tell the jury what her age was at the
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Speaker 1: time of her desk? Take a listen to Jessica's dad,
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Speaker 1: Ben Chambers, telling me at Hilling what happened at the hospital?
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Speaker 1: What do you remember about that drive to try to
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Speaker 1: get to your daughter. Uh, it was just, you know,
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Speaker 1: I was just steady praying the Lord it should be okay,
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Speaker 1: you know. Uh, and what you know, just begging her,
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Speaker 1: you know, just did not take her, you know, because
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Speaker 1: I just I just lost my son a year before
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Speaker 1: she got killed, you know, correct, And uh just you know,
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Speaker 1: my my whole world just shut down, you know, I mean,
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Speaker 1: just hearing you talk, I remember that that crazy attempt
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Speaker 1: to get there before he passed away. When you got there,
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Speaker 1: when you got to the hospital, what happened, Well, when
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Speaker 1: I got to the hospital, of I didn't even park
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Speaker 1: my vehicle. You have to you know, pay to get
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Speaker 1: in the park. I just parked in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the street to god, running into hospital or whatever. Of course,
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Speaker 1: when I got in there, I didn't nobody know nothing
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Speaker 1: about her anything. You got to get a bad itch.
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Speaker 1: And and then and finally I asked my said, where's
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Speaker 1: the Burns Center whatever? Where it's the part of the
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Speaker 1: burn Center. And you know, there's a way as upstairs,
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Speaker 1: down the hallway. And I just took off running, you know.
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Speaker 1: And a matter of fact, I went in places I
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Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to tea, you know, uh, trying to find her.
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Speaker 1: And did you know they didn't even know nothing about it.
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Speaker 1: And of course then they started calling around and they said, well,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, the helicopters landing right now, you know.
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Speaker 1: And uh, and we had to wait, wait, wait, you know,
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Speaker 1: wait on the doctor. And seeming like it with the eternity,
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Speaker 1: you know, uh, and I did where the doctor. The
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Speaker 1: doctor come out. He couldn't do nothing before, you know,
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Speaker 1: she was too bad. When you finally you run in
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Speaker 1: the hospital, you're running up and down the halls, you're
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Speaker 1: trying to find her. You get there before the air
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Speaker 1: lift brings her there, and you finally see her. What
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Speaker 1: did you see? Well, I didn't I didn't get to
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Speaker 1: see her right then? You know that it was two
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Speaker 1: hours before we uh got to go back there, you know.
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Speaker 1: And the doctor come out and he told me, he said,
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Speaker 1: Mr Chambers, she don't want to see your daughter right
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Speaker 1: to Yes, I do. He said, No, you don't recognizable.
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Speaker 1: You know, you know she didn't recognize it. Uh. You know,
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Speaker 1: he said, you've never seen somebody if that bad could
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Speaker 1: live as long as she did. She had a strong heart.
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Speaker 1: I mean she had and no names or nothing, uh
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Speaker 1: where they can even put the I vs in or nothing.
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Speaker 1: You know, Mr Chambers. Did you get to speak to
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Speaker 1: her before she went to heaven? No, no, you'd not.
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Speaker 1: Did you get to see her? I no, no, she
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Speaker 1: is if we got ready to go into the room
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Speaker 1: or whatever, my sister and her mother Lisa walk in
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Speaker 1: the rooms and to see they was in there maybe
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Speaker 1: about thirty seconds, you know, she passed away. I can
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Speaker 1: tell you this, Mr Chambers, I believe with all of
21:36
Speaker 1: my heart that she knew that you were there. Every
21:40
Speaker 1: time I hear Being Chambers speaking with me, it just
21:45
Speaker 1: breaks my heart all over again. To Ashley Wilcott joining me,
21:51
Speaker 1: judge lawyer found her child crime watch dot com and
21:55
Speaker 1: mother I mean, can you imagine flying as fast as
22:02
Speaker 1: you can in the car to try to He actually
22:05
Speaker 1: beat the helicopter there, Ashley, He beat the helicopter to
22:11
Speaker 1: the big hospital burn unit. And was that that horrible?
22:15
Speaker 1: It sounds like a nightmare, running around the hospital getting
22:19
Speaker 1: your badge, trying to find your daughter, only to be
22:22
Speaker 1: told there's nothing that they can do to save her life.
22:25
Speaker 1: I just can hardly stand hearing Ben Chambers recount that
22:30
Speaker 1: to me. No, no, And so you and I would
22:33
Speaker 1: walk on water for our kids, right and to get
22:34
Speaker 1: to our kids. So that's what he did, basically, and
22:37
Speaker 1: he gets there. And here's the thing to remember. You know,
22:39
Speaker 1: burns are so not only dangerous and and and fatal,
22:45
Speaker 1: especially in this case fatal, but they are so visible
22:49
Speaker 1: and so um. I don't know how to say this
22:52
Speaker 1: other though, I other than the smells. So if you've
22:54
Speaker 1: ever been in a burn unit, it smells. I've been
22:58
Speaker 1: in them. They smell differently than a hospital. It's a
23:02
Speaker 1: whole different sensory experience. And the other piece of this is,
23:06
Speaker 1: as you're flying for the hospital, it's natural think I've
23:09
Speaker 1: got to get to my child. But you're never gonna
23:11
Speaker 1: think because the burns are so bad, she's going to die. Instead,
23:14
Speaker 1: you think I've got to get there. She's been burned,
23:17
Speaker 1: We've got to get her treated, We've got to get
23:18
Speaker 1: to the hospital. You never would think. I would never
23:21
Speaker 1: think I've got to get there because my child's gonna
23:23
Speaker 1: die because of the burns. I would think I've got
23:25
Speaker 1: to get there so we can get her help, you know,
23:27
Speaker 1: to Dr Jeanne Gorni at Fulton County Medical Examiner renowned
23:32
Speaker 1: doctor Dr Gorne act, I remember when my fiancee was murdered.
23:36
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of already knew he had passed away,
23:41
Speaker 1: but yet I didn't. And I kept thinking, if I
23:43
Speaker 1: can just get to him, I can fix it. I can,
23:46
Speaker 1: I can just fix it. And I couldn't fix it.
23:51
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to figure out when. Why when your
23:55
Speaker 1: skin is burned to that extent, like almost your entire
23:58
Speaker 1: body except for the soul, your fate essentially, why does
24:02
Speaker 1: that make your heart and your internal organs shut dawn?
24:06
Speaker 1: Why do you die because your skin is all burned.
24:08
Speaker 1: The thing is, depending on the severity of the burns.
24:11
Speaker 1: We talk about partial thickness and full thickness, or most
24:14
Speaker 1: people know about first degree, second gree, third degree. Well,
24:17
Speaker 1: when you are have severe enough burns, not just the
24:21
Speaker 1: severity of the burns, it's the percentage of your body.
24:24
Speaker 1: So some people can get a third degree burn on
24:27
Speaker 1: their leg and it's like ten of their body. But
24:30
Speaker 1: when you have eight of your body burns, your your
24:35
Speaker 1: body is gonna shut down. Try to one um send
24:40
Speaker 1: oxygen and blood to your heart, your brain, but you
24:44
Speaker 1: die from dehydration because the fluid is leaking out from
24:48
Speaker 1: from the consequence of the burns. You can die from
24:51
Speaker 1: infection in this case, I truly believe that's really the burn,
24:55
Speaker 1: the burn for secondary. But we know her airway was compromised.
24:59
Speaker 1: We know at whether there was the hot gases from
25:03
Speaker 1: the fire, and so that's what's really causing her death. Unfortunately,
25:07
Speaker 1: I hate to be so graphic or you know, distinct,
25:12
Speaker 1: but it's her airway and so when you can't breathe,
25:15
Speaker 1: then obviously then oxygen isn't getting to the vital parts
25:19
Speaker 1: of your body, and that's what causes people to die.
25:21
Speaker 1: So either airway compromise or infection what I mean from
25:25
Speaker 1: the clarion Ledger, he's been covering the trial from the
25:28
Speaker 1: beginning to Rest April ter Rest. What is the jury's
25:34
Speaker 1: reaction as this testimony is coming in? Have you been
25:37
Speaker 1: watching them? Yes? And Um. One thing you notice about
25:41
Speaker 1: the jury, especially compared to last year's jury, they are
25:44
Speaker 1: hanging on every word in most cases. There have been
25:47
Speaker 1: a couple of cross examinations that have gone long that
25:50
Speaker 1: they've kind of phoned out, and there were some videos
25:52
Speaker 1: of the interrogations where they were a little restless, But
25:56
Speaker 1: for the most part, they've been right there through the
25:58
Speaker 1: entire trial. It's it's in one of these things that
26:01
Speaker 1: you're actually kind of it's actually interesting to see this
26:04
Speaker 1: jury be so engaged and and you see them, you know,
26:08
Speaker 1: taking notes in a couple of cases and that kind
26:10
Speaker 1: of thing. Um. I believe they're going to be very
26:14
Speaker 1: as much as you can take in this information in
26:16
Speaker 1: a week, I believe they're going to be very informed
26:18
Speaker 1: when they go back to to consider the verdict. You know,
26:21
Speaker 1: the last jury hung it was a mistrial. So I
26:24
Speaker 1: pray that this jury is alert and paying attention and
26:28
Speaker 1: can reach a verdict. Um. I remember distinctly trying cases
26:34
Speaker 1: and my investigator, Ernest and I would stay late in
26:38
Speaker 1: to the evening and stand in front of that empty
26:40
Speaker 1: jury box, and we would recount what we recall of
26:43
Speaker 1: each juror. This one was nodding yes at this witness,
26:47
Speaker 1: this one looks sleepy, this one, and we would count
26:51
Speaker 1: up and make notes and charts of which gurrs we
26:55
Speaker 1: thought we had with us already, and then if there
26:58
Speaker 1: were some that we didn't think we're with us. I
27:00
Speaker 1: would get right in front of that girard and look
27:04
Speaker 1: at that gar specifically in the eyes as I question
27:09
Speaker 1: the witness off to my right, I'll be looking at
27:11
Speaker 1: that girr as I would try to make particular points
27:15
Speaker 1: to hold it in. With the few gerrs I would
27:19
Speaker 1: think we're not with me with the state, I want
27:22
Speaker 1: to start with the evidence on the cell phone records.
27:26
Speaker 1: We search those databases for every single person in Penola
27:30
Speaker 1: County named Eric, Derek Jerrek, any form of that, and
27:35
Speaker 1: we not only download their names, we downloaded information associated
27:40
Speaker 1: with those individuals, their address history, those sorts of things,
27:43
Speaker 1: their car registrations, and so we downloaded all of that
27:47
Speaker 1: information and it again goes into my database, so as
27:50
Speaker 1: we get leads later, I can bounce it off. That
27:52
Speaker 1: information I remember, and I can't remember the exact date.
27:56
Speaker 1: But once we had kind of you know, gone through
28:00
Speaker 1: a lot of leads and a lot of that information,
28:02
Speaker 1: I decided to actually do the same thing for all
28:04
Speaker 1: of the counties that connect to Penola County and downloaded
28:09
Speaker 1: that and the other day, just because I wanted to
28:13
Speaker 1: do it, I actually went into my database and I
28:15
Speaker 1: searched to see how many were ultimately in there, and
28:17
Speaker 1: we had and this was from what I described to you,
28:20
Speaker 1: plus any other information we collected, there were actually four
28:24
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight people in my database that had
28:27
Speaker 1: some variation of that name that we could constantly bounce
28:31
Speaker 1: information off of as it came into the task force.
28:33
Speaker 1: And based on your analysis, did any of those four
28:36
Speaker 1: d sixty people have any communication or contact with Jessica Cha?
28:39
Speaker 1: They did not. I want to start with the evidence
28:42
Speaker 1: on the cell phones. Listen what woke her up from
28:45
Speaker 1: her neck? She either got a text message or a
28:47
Speaker 1: phone call, I don't know which one. And how did
28:50
Speaker 1: she respond to that text her phone call? She jumped up,
28:53
Speaker 1: went to the bathroom and when should come out of
28:55
Speaker 1: the bathroom She was on the phone talking and then
28:59
Speaker 1: come out and said she was going to get her
29:00
Speaker 1: something to eat clean her car and she'd be back
29:03
Speaker 1: a little bit. So she was spared of the phone
29:06
Speaker 1: call and left and was she gone for a little while.
29:10
Speaker 1: At some point in that evening, approximately six p m.
29:13
Speaker 1: Did you speak to her by phone? Yes, sir? And
29:17
Speaker 1: why did you speak to her by phone? Um? I
29:20
Speaker 1: don't know if I called her she called. I don't
29:22
Speaker 1: really know that part. But I asked her what she
29:25
Speaker 1: was doing, and she said, get something to eat. And
29:29
Speaker 1: that's really I'm gonna ask you. When you talked Jessica
29:33
Speaker 1: was a nineteen year old kid christ when you normally
29:36
Speaker 1: talked to her on the phone, what was the standard
29:37
Speaker 1: atmosphere around her phone calls? A loud music, noises, the
29:43
Speaker 1: normal teenage On this particular night, did you tell investigating
29:47
Speaker 1: or something struck you odd about this phone call? It
29:49
Speaker 1: was very quiet and just like no music, no noises
29:54
Speaker 1: in the background or just quiet, maybe the windows down,
29:57
Speaker 1: possibly nothing you couldn't It was like a silence, just her.
30:03
Speaker 1: What does that mean to you? To me, it would
30:06
Speaker 1: mean the way no one Jessica would be like somebody
30:09
Speaker 1: was with her. You know. I couldn't tell you yes
30:12
Speaker 1: or no, but that would be how I took her call.
30:16
Speaker 1: We're just after the new Now we're on Friday, and
30:19
Speaker 1: this is actually gonna be the text Center change, And
30:21
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you the video where she's trying to
30:24
Speaker 1: get Quentin to give her some money for some food.
30:28
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna read all of this one for you,
30:30
Speaker 1: but I'll let you interpret it for yourself. It's kind
30:33
Speaker 1: of difficult, but basically here she's trying to say. My
30:37
Speaker 1: interpretation of it is, will you give me some money
30:42
Speaker 1: so I can go get something? His answer to that
30:44
Speaker 1: here is can I you? And then he also text
30:48
Speaker 1: her how much you need? But and she said, just
30:50
Speaker 1: like six dollars? She says, where are you at? He
30:52
Speaker 1: says I'm at home and she says I can come by,
30:55
Speaker 1: and he says come now, and she says okay, and
30:58
Speaker 1: she says, I'm I'm fixing the league. And then he
31:00
Speaker 1: texts her, I'm waiting on you. Dress. April Clarion Ledger.
31:05
Speaker 1: I know it's hard to do, but because she boiled
31:07
Speaker 1: down the cell phone records that in my mind clinched
31:11
Speaker 1: the case. Um well, the probably what clinched the case
31:14
Speaker 1: was what they're calling the aha moment when they had
31:17
Speaker 1: gotten the location data back on Quinton tell US's phone,
31:21
Speaker 1: and they realized that his locations did not show what
31:25
Speaker 1: he had told them, that he had told them a
31:27
Speaker 1: whole different story. So Paul Ralett starts to look closely
31:30
Speaker 1: at this information and find that tell Us his signal
31:33
Speaker 1: is right on top of where Jessica's is. Um. Jessica's
31:37
Speaker 1: was much stronger. They had more in tower information, but
31:39
Speaker 1: they were able to put Quinton tell Us in the
31:41
Speaker 1: same places that Jessica was UM, at which point he
31:45
Speaker 1: called the other members of the prosecution team and said, guys,
31:47
Speaker 1: you've got to come see this. Um. That is really
31:50
Speaker 1: the you know, the thing that clinched the whole thing.
31:53
Speaker 1: But when you look at the preponderance preponderance of that
31:56
Speaker 1: cell phone data on top of the other evidence they
31:59
Speaker 1: have as a whole, it is is very convincing. Well,
32:03
Speaker 1: let me understand something to rest April with Clarie and Lizer.
32:06
Speaker 1: To do that, you triangulate, in other words, take information
32:10
Speaker 1: from multiple cell phone towers if you've got them, and
32:13
Speaker 1: you figure out where the that particular cell phone is.
32:18
Speaker 1: But the time, the timing, what time was his cell
32:22
Speaker 1: phone at the same spot as hers? Well, it started
32:27
Speaker 1: when they went to Taco Bell. So all the way
32:30
Speaker 1: to Batesville, their phones are together. Um, they're together in Batesville,
32:33
Speaker 1: and they're together coming back. Then they're together in a
32:37
Speaker 1: field next to tell Us his home for about thirty
32:40
Speaker 1: minutes so which they're both silent, and then Jessica's never
32:44
Speaker 1: gets used again. Tell Us as doesn't wake up until
32:47
Speaker 1: after Um the time that authorities believed Jessica was rendered unconscious. Um,
32:54
Speaker 1: they say about I think it was about seven. You're
32:59
Speaker 1: setting that his cell phone is basically on top of
33:02
Speaker 1: hers in the triangulation up until they are in the
33:06
Speaker 1: field where she's burned, well, until they were in the
33:09
Speaker 1: field where they prosecutors are saying that's where they ended up,
33:13
Speaker 1: as they said, attempting sex. There wasn't a sex attempt,
33:17
Speaker 1: and I believe they're using that to say that Jessica
33:19
Speaker 1: didn't want it, and potentially they believe Quentin did. Um.
33:23
Speaker 1: They went from that field, their cell phones went to
33:26
Speaker 1: or Jessica's cellphone went to the area where she was burned. Um,
33:31
Speaker 1: tell Us has did too, But Jessica's Jessica's Um, what's
33:36
Speaker 1: the word that her triangulation showed up there drastically. Um.
33:41
Speaker 1: So that's where they were able to, you know, figure
33:43
Speaker 1: out that's when she was moved. So jos caught Morgan
33:47
Speaker 1: with me death investigator. That leads me to think of
33:50
Speaker 1: this scenario that in that fields where he raped or
33:54
Speaker 1: attempted to rape her, and they were there for about
33:58
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, and then her cell phone and his cell phone,
34:03
Speaker 1: from what I'm understanding from terress, April went to the
34:07
Speaker 1: field where she was burned. Yeah, and it's compelling evidence.
34:12
Speaker 1: It's very compelling Joe Scott, that he rapes her, moves
34:18
Speaker 1: her what he thinks is a dead body to this field,
34:22
Speaker 1: and then we see his him and that we see
34:26
Speaker 1: the sister's car, which he is in I believe, going
34:29
Speaker 1: to his house where he keeps a can of gas
34:32
Speaker 1: in the shed. By his own admission, About two minutes
34:36
Speaker 1: after it pulls in, it pulls back out. I guess
34:38
Speaker 1: that's neighbor surveillance video. And then the next thing you know,
34:43
Speaker 1: she's up in flames. I mean, what, what do you
34:47
Speaker 1: need a video of him pouring gas on the car
34:49
Speaker 1: for peats Saint Joe Scott. No, but I think that
34:52
Speaker 1: a lot of people would would want to see that,
34:55
Speaker 1: would want to see that relative to uh, you know,
34:58
Speaker 1: sharing this up in their mind, and they have to
34:59
Speaker 1: be able to dig through this technical data and it's layer.
35:02
Speaker 1: You know, this case is contained everything, uh from high
35:06
Speaker 1: end science where we're talking about electronic data, all the
35:08
Speaker 1: way out to DNA evidence. And I think that they've
35:12
Speaker 1: done an adequate job here portraying and putting down the
35:16
Speaker 1: story linking him and her piece by piece, step by
35:20
Speaker 1: step from me. In this particular case, the electronic cell
35:24
Speaker 1: phone data is much more compelling, even say, for instance,
35:28
Speaker 1: than the DNA evidence in this case. Take a listen
35:30
Speaker 1: to this. That brings us back to one of the
35:32
Speaker 1: first people that was talked to four days after her death,
35:34
Speaker 1: and one of the last people she was in contact with. Yes,
35:37
Speaker 1: and who was that? It was Quentin Tells. And you
35:41
Speaker 1: earlier you had looked at some tolls from Quentin tellsas phone.
35:46
Speaker 1: How you looked at a dog that was retreated from
35:48
Speaker 1: Clinton tellsas Phone. I did, we did, originally analyzed, Quentin
35:51
Speaker 1: tell us, did you have that information? I didn't, And
35:54
Speaker 1: so you know, again we had taken that piece of puzzle,
35:56
Speaker 1: moved it toward the edge of the table and moved
35:58
Speaker 1: on to other things. But between the dates he was
36:02
Speaker 1: interviewed and that October meeting, at some point in there,
36:06
Speaker 1: we had received that location data back. And so you
36:09
Speaker 1: when you started going through back through all the original contact, Yes,
36:14
Speaker 1: did you have another piece of informational Quentin tell Us,
36:16
Speaker 1: I did? I had his location dad on his phone,
36:19
Speaker 1: And did you analyze the location dial quentn't tell us
36:21
Speaker 1: his phone? And this this leads you to contact investigators.
36:26
Speaker 1: It did you know? I don't know if you heard
36:28
Speaker 1: it the trial. We always refer this back to the
36:30
Speaker 1: moment uh in the case, but it did. And when
36:34
Speaker 1: I saw what I saw on his location data, it
36:37
Speaker 1: led me to and I think I was doing that
36:39
Speaker 1: at a very late at night. I contacted the five
36:42
Speaker 1: members of the team and told you all that I
36:44
Speaker 1: needed immediately in my office the next morning. That brings
36:47
Speaker 1: us back to one of the first people that was
36:49
Speaker 1: talked to four days after her death and one of
36:51
Speaker 1: the last people she was in contact with. Yes, and
36:54
Speaker 1: who was that? It was? Quentin Tellus and you earlier
36:58
Speaker 1: you had looked at some tolls from Quentin tells Us phone.
37:02
Speaker 1: Have you looked at a dog that was retrieved from
37:04
Speaker 1: Quentin tells Us phone? I did. We originally analyzed, Quentin
37:08
Speaker 1: tell Us, did you have that information? I didn't, And
37:11
Speaker 1: so you know again we had taken that piece of puzzle,
37:14
Speaker 1: moved it toward the edge of the table and moved
37:15
Speaker 1: on to other things. But but between the dates he
37:19
Speaker 1: was interviewed and that October meeting, at some point in there,
37:24
Speaker 1: we had received that location data back. And so you
37:26
Speaker 1: when you started going through back through all the original contact, Yes,
37:32
Speaker 1: did you have another piece of informational Quentin tell Us?
37:34
Speaker 1: I did. I had his location dad on his phone
37:37
Speaker 1: and did you analyze the location dal quintint tell Us phone? Did?
37:41
Speaker 1: And this this leads you to contact investigators it did
37:45
Speaker 1: you know? I don't know if you heard the trial.
37:47
Speaker 1: We always refer this back to the moment uh in
37:51
Speaker 1: the case. Um, but it did. And when I saw
37:54
Speaker 1: what I saw on his location data, it led me
37:57
Speaker 1: to and I think I was doing that at a
37:59
Speaker 1: very late at night. I contacted the five members of
38:02
Speaker 1: the team and told you all that I needed immediately
38:05
Speaker 1: in my office the next morning, you are hearing intelligence
38:08
Speaker 1: analyst Paul Rowlett, who worked full time on this case
38:12
Speaker 1: for a year, As he testified in court, I want
38:15
Speaker 1: to go to Dr Jane Gorniac, renowned medical examiner out
38:19
Speaker 1: of Fulton County. Dr Gorniac listen, I still sit there
38:23
Speaker 1: in helen her hand as all I could do. So
38:26
Speaker 1: the sweetheart is gonna be okay. And she she kept
38:30
Speaker 1: telling me, you know I'm gonna die, and I said
38:33
Speaker 1: this another or not, You're gonna it's gonna be okay.
38:36
Speaker 1: Helps coming, Helps coming, and and Daniel got there and
38:42
Speaker 1: he knelt down with me on the other side over.
38:47
Speaker 1: I was on one side, he was on the other side,
38:50
Speaker 1: and uh previous. So Daniel arrive and I had asked
38:58
Speaker 1: her name, and I've gotten Jessica Tambers. Could you clearly
39:04
Speaker 1: understand what she was saying? Not clearly. I could just
39:08
Speaker 1: understand Jessica. I could. I could make Jessica. That's kind
39:14
Speaker 1: of you know, the syllables and everything. You can make
39:19
Speaker 1: Jessica out. Did you, in fact hear her response to
39:24
Speaker 1: Daniel in regards to who did this? I did not
39:28
Speaker 1: personally hear her say. Did Daniel advise you what he
39:34
Speaker 1: thought he had heard? Hey? Dad, he said she said
39:38
Speaker 1: there that would have come from Daniel Cole. Came from
39:42
Speaker 1: Daniel Cole. When she told me her name was Jessica
39:46
Speaker 1: Tambers and said what happened? And she said, somebody had
39:52
Speaker 1: set me on fire. You have to have the breadth
39:55
Speaker 1: of pressure first, so if the lungs are damaged, they're
39:59
Speaker 1: not going to be elastic enough to take in the
40:02
Speaker 1: amount of the air to allow that to push on
40:05
Speaker 1: through the vocal folds. And then the pharyngeal area you
40:10
Speaker 1: said a minute ago, exactly what is that? The orangel
40:13
Speaker 1: area is what we call our voice box. It's where
40:16
Speaker 1: our vocal folds are, our larynx. And if those are
40:22
Speaker 1: damaged by inhalation of smoke or fire, would that affect
40:29
Speaker 1: the ability to make an articulate sound. Yes, it would.
40:33
Speaker 1: The vocal folds are very thin and they're very pliable,
40:37
Speaker 1: and if there's anything that attaches to those cords, it's
40:42
Speaker 1: going to keep them from moving the way they should.
40:45
Speaker 1: I use my hands like this, um, But I tell
40:49
Speaker 1: students all the time, you um, the cords are to
40:53
Speaker 1: look like this. But if there's anything impinging, like a
40:56
Speaker 1: growth or something hanging on the cord, they're not going
41:00
Speaker 1: to close and open the way they're supposed to sound.
41:04
Speaker 1: It does. That was speech pathologist Dr Carol Higgen, who
41:08
Speaker 1: testified in court. She says there was no way Jessica
41:12
Speaker 1: could possibly have produced an articulate sound. Dr Jane Gorniac
41:18
Speaker 1: renowned medical examiner out of Fulton County. Dr Gorniac. When
41:22
Speaker 1: this case first happened, it was called death by lighter
41:26
Speaker 1: fluid because it was first believed that someone had poured
41:29
Speaker 1: lighter fluid or some accelerant, forced it down her mouth
41:33
Speaker 1: and throat and set it on fire, because the inside
41:36
Speaker 1: of her mouth and throat and air pass just looked
41:38
Speaker 1: completely black and charred. Is it any surprise to you?
41:43
Speaker 1: When they asked her, who did this to you? She said,
41:47
Speaker 1: and I'm quoting from the courtroom at with and that
41:51
Speaker 1: was interpreted to be eric. I believe she's trying to
41:55
Speaker 1: say tell us, But are you surprised she cannot enunciate?
42:01
Speaker 1: Dr Gornia And why could she not enunciate well? Without
42:05
Speaker 1: actually seeing her airway for myself? But because the way
42:10
Speaker 1: you're describing it was like it sounds like there was
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Speaker 1: sood and inflammation from secondary to the heat and the
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Speaker 1: flames of the fire. Does it surprise me? My medical
42:22
Speaker 1: sense says yes, because you have all that inflammation and
42:25
Speaker 1: mean to be very difficult to make any any sound.
42:28
Speaker 1: But I have witnessed people's lived to their will to live, um,
42:35
Speaker 1: not only when I was an intern in the in
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Speaker 1: the hospital years ago, but also in a couple of
42:39
Speaker 1: cases I've had so people fight to the end, to
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Speaker 1: their death literally to tell their story. Um. And like
42:48
Speaker 1: you said, were did she what did she say? We
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Speaker 1: will really never know, but she was trying to tell
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Speaker 1: her story, um and and bring justice before her herself.
42:58
Speaker 1: So does it surprise me on one end, absolutely, But
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Speaker 1: the personal side of me really believes in will to
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Speaker 1: live and people find that strength to tell their story. Nancy,
43:11
Speaker 1: this is Ashley. Can I add something to that? Yeah,
43:14
Speaker 1: you have to add the law provides for that. There's
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Speaker 1: the exception to hear say, which is the dawn declaration
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Speaker 1: excited utterance. And the whole reason they have that exception
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Speaker 1: is because people do exactly what was just described. They
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Speaker 1: they find every ounce of there being to actually say
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Speaker 1: what happened to them before they die. You know what,
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Speaker 1: You're right, Ashley, Listen, from what I viewed, in my
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Speaker 1: expert opinion, the severity of what I saw would have
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Speaker 1: prohibited this person from producing any kind of an articulate
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Speaker 1: sound at that from very soon after the trauma, like
43:55
Speaker 1: within within minutes after the trauma. Within men, it's after
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Speaker 1: the trauma, okay, So that would would be based upon
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Speaker 1: what the percentage, the severity of the burns, and the
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Speaker 1: pictures I saw of the vocal folds and UM, the
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Speaker 1: the Dr. Hickerson's report of what was apparent when she
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Speaker 1: did arrive at the med um as well as relating
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Speaker 1: back to um what went on during the transportation to
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Speaker 1: the med h In Again, I've been at this a
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Speaker 1: long time. There's no way this person produced an articulate
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Speaker 1: sound from very soon after this inflammation started or this
44:48
Speaker 1: burm started. Can you tell this jury as you sit
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Speaker 1: here today, when that inflammation that you just referred to
44:55
Speaker 1: would have started, this person would not have sustained severe
45:00
Speaker 1: burns for more than a couple of minutes without losing
45:03
Speaker 1: their ability to communicate. Prosecutors said Jessica Chambers was too
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Speaker 1: badly burned to say much of anything. But in this
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Speaker 1: retrial surprise from prosecution witnesses who testified, Jessica Chambers said
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Speaker 1: a lot more than Eric did it. And so the
45:21
Speaker 1: sweetheart is gonna be okay. And she she kept telling me,
45:26
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to former Courtland fire chief Cole
45:29
Speaker 1: Haley said, Chambers appeared alert, she's breathing, and she asked
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Speaker 1: me for water. Prosecutors tried to bring out that the
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Speaker 1: nineteen year old could not speak well. I could tell
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Speaker 1: it was hard for it at all. First responders testified
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Speaker 1: Jessica was hard to understand, but they knew she said
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Speaker 1: her name Jessica Chambers, and they knew she said Eric
45:51
Speaker 1: set her on fire. Quentin tell Us is on trial
45:55
Speaker 1: for the murder of Jessica Chambers, and that name Eric
45:58
Speaker 1: is a hurdle esecutors will have to get over. And
46:02
Speaker 1: that was w MC Action News reporter Janice Approach to
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Speaker 1: to Ress April with a clarion ledger. That's the big problem.
46:11
Speaker 1: That's the O. J. Simpson glove moment in the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: Will the defense be able to make the jury believe
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Speaker 1: somebody named Eric did the deed just like because the
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Speaker 1: glove didn't fit, none of the other evidence counted. Or
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Speaker 1: will the jury understand she could she couldn't speak. What's
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Speaker 1: your gauge of it, to Ress. My gauge is that
46:34
Speaker 1: last year the prosecution did not do a clear job
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Speaker 1: of showing that she didn't clearly say eric. Um. They
46:42
Speaker 1: put the first responders on the stand and they all said,
46:44
Speaker 1: she said eric and was kind of like okay. This year,
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Speaker 1: they said, but what did it sound like? How close
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Speaker 1: did you have to get for her to hear this?
46:52
Speaker 1: Can you tell us the you know, the way she
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Speaker 1: said it? And what you had was a bunch of
46:57
Speaker 1: people instead of saying she said Eric, I heard it,
46:59
Speaker 1: there's saying well, it kind of sounded like l A
47:02
Speaker 1: or it kind of sounded like eric. And so by
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Speaker 1: the end of it you had then you had two
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Speaker 1: experts who said she would not be able to clearly enunciate,
47:11
Speaker 1: and then you had um, one of the experts saying
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Speaker 1: those could even have been pain sounds. She may not
47:16
Speaker 1: have been trying to say anything. So I think this
47:19
Speaker 1: year it's very much clearer that we're dealing with a
47:22
Speaker 1: situation where she was trying to speak, but there was
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Speaker 1: no clear word that she was saying to me. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the timeline it says it all the cell phone data
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Speaker 1: couldn't have been anyone else but the last person that
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Speaker 1: was with Jessica. There's no way that anyone else could
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Speaker 1: have snug in them this and gotten away and not
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Speaker 1: leave a trace. Nancy. Yeah, I'm I'm glad to see
47:46
Speaker 1: that the prosecution has has righted the ship here relative
47:52
Speaker 1: to and I think a lot of this goes to
47:54
Speaker 1: you think about the expert expert testimony. Uh, they actually
47:58
Speaker 1: brought in a speech pathologist in this in this case,
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Speaker 1: and uh, this individual was able to better describe because
48:06
Speaker 1: this is this is a critical turning point in this case.
48:09
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to, you know, talk about what had been
48:13
Speaker 1: said and and you there's a deeper explanation here. You
48:16
Speaker 1: combine this with the physical findings, and and it's it
48:20
Speaker 1: was impactful. I think from from my perspective, I think
48:22
Speaker 1: it'll be impactful for for the jury as well. Take
48:25
Speaker 1: a listen to this. You told the jury that this
48:30
Speaker 1: was like a puzzle, yes, sir. And it took you
48:33
Speaker 1: basically four years to put this puzzle together, yes, sir.
48:37
Speaker 1: Intelligence analyst James Paul Rowlett says his process for the
48:40
Speaker 1: investigation is similar to making a thousand piece puzzle. Sometimes
48:45
Speaker 1: you must put pieces off to the side and then
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Speaker 1: bring them back in. He says that's exactly what he
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Speaker 1: did with Quentin tell Us. He would either give us
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Speaker 1: a different time frame or say it didn't happen until
48:56
Speaker 1: we presented him with data that conflicted what he was saying,
48:59
Speaker 1: and then he would change his story. Role It presented
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Speaker 1: a power point presentation with cell phone data and surveillance
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Speaker 1: video showing almost every move Chambers and tell Us made.
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Speaker 1: This is the last time we will ever suggested. When
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Speaker 1: all this evidence was shown to tell Us, he started
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Speaker 1: remembering the details of that fatal night. Until then, investigators
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Speaker 1: say they believe he was withholding information. Why did you
49:20
Speaker 1: go to Nashville to a game? All right? What game?
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Speaker 1: Johns and Tennessee? Alright? Be the New York Johnson and
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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. Do you have or do you have a
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Speaker 1: friend that plays for the New York gihnts John? And
49:36
Speaker 1: it's John Jerry from Batesville or this area? And how
49:44
Speaker 1: long have you known John at the New him a
49:48
Speaker 1: long time? And did John uh have anything for you?
49:54
Speaker 1: Or as far as where you're staying, who paid for
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Speaker 1: that he did? And who provided you with tickets to
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Speaker 1: the game? And did you in fact go to Nashville? Okay?
50:08
Speaker 1: And when was the game? That's big Mike Sanford tell us,
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Speaker 1: his purported alibi witness He's testified in retrial that he
50:21
Speaker 1: drove to Nashville to see his friend play for the
50:23
Speaker 1: New York Giants and was not with tell Us. Well,
50:26
Speaker 1: that was a big, fat lie on tell US's part.
50:29
Speaker 1: To Ashley Wilcott, you know, ash I know that you
50:33
Speaker 1: have founded child crib watch dot com, your judge, your lawyer,
50:37
Speaker 1: but I want to talk to you as a mom.
50:40
Speaker 1: You know, um, when somebody on the playground says something
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Speaker 1: mean or does something mean to John David, or Lucy
50:52
Speaker 1: gets a little feelings hurt when somebody doesn't play with her.
50:55
Speaker 1: I think about it all night long. I know that's
51:00
Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but I think about you know. I don't
51:02
Speaker 1: want them to get their feelings hurt. I don't want
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Speaker 1: them to live through this. I don't want them to
51:06
Speaker 1: live through that. I just don't know how the parents
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Speaker 1: can stand knowing what Jessica went through, that awful death
51:17
Speaker 1: she had. It's so young, I mean, a teen girl,
51:20
Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, Ashley. So what they say, Nancy is
51:23
Speaker 1: that the loss of a child is absolutely the worst
51:26
Speaker 1: loss you can ever suffer. So compound that with the
51:30
Speaker 1: loss of a child by such gruesome, horrible means that
51:34
Speaker 1: are so visual in your mind. You're never going to forget.
51:38
Speaker 1: These parents will never recover, never get over this. Will
51:42
Speaker 1: there be closure if there's a conviction in some sense, absolutely,
51:46
Speaker 1: they will never forget it. I've always said, put me
51:49
Speaker 1: in a straight jacket, God forbid something happen to one
51:51
Speaker 1: of my children. Put me in a straight jacket. I
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Speaker 1: cannot They must be the strongest people in the world
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Speaker 1: to survive this. Take a listen to Jessica's dad, Ben Chain,
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Speaker 1: was telling me a chilling what happened at the hospital.
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Speaker 1: He couldn't see her or speak to her before she
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Speaker 1: went to heaven. When you finally you run in the hospital,
52:11
Speaker 1: you're running up and down the halls, you're trying to
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Speaker 1: find her. You get there before the airlift brings her there,
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Speaker 1: and you finally see her. What did you see? Well,
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't get to see her right then.
52:25
Speaker 1: You know that. It was two hours before we uh
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Speaker 1: got to go back there, you know, And the doctor
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Speaker 1: come out and hey, tell me, said Mr Tamer, she
52:39
Speaker 1: don't want to see your daughter right to Yes, I do,
52:41
Speaker 1: He said, No, you don't recognizeable. You know, you know
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Speaker 1: you don't recognize Uh, you know you've never seen somebody
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Speaker 1: it burnt that bad. It live as long as you
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Speaker 1: and she had a strong heart, I mean she had.
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Speaker 1: And no names or nothing, uh where they can eve
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Speaker 1: for the I VS in or nothing. You know, Mr Chambers.
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Speaker 1: Did you get to speak to her before she went
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Speaker 1: to heaven? No? No, oh, Ma did not. Did you
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Speaker 1: get to see her? I know, no, she is if
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Speaker 1: we got ready to go into the room or whatever.
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Speaker 1: My sister and her mother, Lisa walked in the rooms
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Speaker 1: and um to see they was in there about thirty
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Speaker 1: seconds and she passed away. I can tell you this,
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Speaker 1: Mr Chambers. I believe with all of my heart that
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Speaker 1: she knew that you were there right now that jury
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Speaker 1: deliberating the fate of Quentin tell Us as Jessica Chambers
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Speaker 1: family watches in the wings. Go to crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Watch Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off goodbye friend.