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The War on Truth: Billy Carson and Sean Stone Decode the Matrix · 4biddenknowledge Podcast

• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: All right, what's going on, everybody?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: Billy Carson here, aka Forbidding Knowledge.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for waiting.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for your patience.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to go ahead and get this thing going while Sean Stone is getting ready to hop in here.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: Get this thing going while Sean is going to be here.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, there we go.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we're getting the links up.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: Everything is going good.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: And um Sean Stone's gonna be here just a few minutes late.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: But it'll be here in a second.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: And um, we're gonna talk about a pretty powerful topic today.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: Today's topic is gonna be about the war on truth and the matrix that we're living in, you know?
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: And uh we have to ask ourselves a question, and we have to also answer that question because the matrix is a documentary.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's not just a sci-fi concept, it is literally a system of narratives, fear algorithms, propaganda, surveillance, manufactured conflict, spiritual disconnection that teaches people what to believe and who to hate and what to fear and uh and what not to question.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so in this particular podcast, we're gonna be talking about are we living through a war?
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: A war on truth and perception.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: And if perception is being engineered, who benefits from that?
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so today we're not just talking about politics or what's going on globally, ancient civilizations, those are the topics we talk into, but we're really talking about at the deeper level, perception, right?
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: How are wars sold?
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: How are enemies manufactured?
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: How does truth get buried?
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: How do algorithms shape belief?
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: How does humanity begin to be trained to mistake the shadow for the wall of reality itself?
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Today I'm bringing on a very good friend of mine for many, many years.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: His name is Sean Stone.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, the first actual interview on a talk show that I ever did in my entire career was on the Buzzsaw, hosted by Sean Stone.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna bring Sean up.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: I just heard him pop into the studio.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on, brother?
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, it's good to see you.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Good to see you, man.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a good minute.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I saw you at the at the conscious life expo, but we haven't done an interview in a minute, and uh that's great.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's the interview, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: You yeah, man, and uh yeah, miss.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for taking the time to hop on, so I really appreciate it.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_02: No, but and I think uh I didn't know that.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_02: That was your first uh interview on uh on Gaia's uh on my bus show on Gaia.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, absolute first one.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: Here it goes, right here.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: Here goes a throwback like 10 years ago, probably.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it's been it's been a while, man.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a while.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: That was a great photo.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: We also took a photo in the uh in the restaurant at Boulder at the Boulderado.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: Nice, that's right.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, a couple of classic photos, man.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, so it's been a long time.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: We've known each other for quite some time.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I actually became a fan of your work.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: I first saw you speak at the Congress Light 4.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't speaking yet, I was just coming to watch you speak and watch others speak, and um, I was kind of really blown away, you know, by some of the topics that you shared and from what I perceived to be really a lot of courage.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because at that time I hadn't really seen a lot of young people coming out talking about these topics.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: It usually had been like, you know, 60 and up talking.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: And uh uh and then to see you, I kind of really I really related with you, you know, uh, because you had that fresh, younger look, but still dropping the knowledge and talking about topics and and information that really matters to us as a civilization to help us kind of just begin that awakening process.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I have to admit to you, man, you were a huge part of my initial awakening when I first started diving deep into these public forums and getting into you know, going out to conferences and lectures and and stuff and so forth, like the conscious life.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: And you actually, your lecture and you being there inspired me to go to them and say, Hey, I'd like to have a room and speak here as well.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: So, shout out to you, man.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: Well, uh I'm really glad that I was able to give some inspiration.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, yeah, Jordan Maxwell, people like that, you know, uh Jordan passed away a few years ago, but yeah, they were, you know, they were at the Trailblazers obviously before, and um, you know, people like David Icke and others.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: And uh it's it's interesting, it's interesting who picks up on this.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like we are, you know, we we've having done this conspiracy sort of you know, esoteric uh research and talks and interviews and stuff for well over 15 years now, right?
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, going back to like conspiracy theory in 2011, 2012, and Buzzsaw and everything, it's nice, I think, and refreshing, don't you think, that more people seem to be um awake and open to this material.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, it really has been exponential growth since you know social media has in many ways catalyzed, I think, um, this conversation, as much as there is censorship around it, certainly, you know, and it's like, you know, I'm still banned on TikTok and I've been banned on YouTube, you know, and stuff.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_02: But it's like somehow there's still, you know, there is still a certain amount of discourse that has that has been catalyzed because of those, you know, those platforms.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so it's very interesting to kind of see how um, how do you say, like consciousness, the you know, as much as I think that there is like a nefarious side to trying to shape and control consciousness, right?
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_02: And to share and to say which you know what discourse can and can't be had, um, I think consciousness is more powerful ultimately.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like you know, God is more powerful than the dark ultimately.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: What's you know, people ready to hear and ready to see, like that's there's no way that's gonna stop that from coming to the surface.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, facts, absolute facts, man.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: And for those uh out there who might not know like a little bit about you, you a little bit of backstory, how did you even get into wanting to speak on these topics?
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good question.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, so a certain aspect of it, I think, is growing up, you know, with my dad interested in his more like historical conspiracies, right?
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I grew up with like you know, being part of JFK when I was like six, seven years old, and you know, that film came out in '91.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I just remember like being, you know, transfixed by it when I watched the film because of the way that my dad was you know shoot basically taking conspiracy theory mainstream, you could call it, right?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, you know, making a film that was actually like impactful, entertaining, a lot packed with information, but exciting, you know, and it was a very successful movie.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: So like coming from that background, where in the 90s, you know, growing up as a kid, I I started getting more interested in like history, you know, CIA history, black ops, under, you know, kind of what the JFK assassination I always say is like the um the gateway drug into conspiracy lore, right?
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: Because if you start researching the assassination of JFK, you get into like again, you get into like the CIA coups around the world, you get into like the Federal Reserve system and how money is um, you know, basically just what created from nothing and lent to the US government at interest and all this.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you get into like some of the law around UFOs because there's different, you know, there's evidence that like Kennedy was briefed on the extraterrestrials and was kind of trying to figure out maybe if that could be disclosed, the disclosure could actually start under his administration.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you get into like the Vietnam War and like the me, you know, the reason for these wars basically.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_02: So all these different angles.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I, you know, as a in the 90s, like I was in I was reading a lot, again, more like historical, but I also, you know, from there you start, yeah, you hear about the Mason Secret Societies, you start to read about it.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you read, I picked up, you know, people like Jim Mahr's research, David Ike's research, and um, you know, and that just carried through into the 2000s, the post-9-11 era, where um, again, it was like, okay, this, you know, this seems to be a continuation of those black ops, and now it's being directed against the US population, right?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's like we basically are taking kind of like what Kennedy's assassination was, like we're taking operations that we would pull on other countries and you know, do to manipulate perception to you know to create wars, things like this.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's being brought home.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, and then basically by the end of the and by the Obama era 2008, it was like, okay, now the chickens are really coming home to roost, because now we're actually getting into the um, you know, the over like the economic overthrow, the financial overthrow of the of the US economy.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like now the chickens are coming home to roost from like what we would do to other countries as far as like destabilizing them to actually destabilizing our own middle class.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_02: And so again, it's like from one, you know, one thing after another was just like observing world events and ultimately finding myself in a position where I was able to comment on them because of the conspiracy theory show where I got picked up by um uh Tyrell Ventura and and that team, Jesse Ventura's son.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like Tyrell was like, look, Jesse, that's really I actually if you think about it, like this whole mission kind of started because Jesse Ventura was going through a legal battle with um who was it with the US government essentially, right?
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: Where he it was like the FAA, where he this was before TSA Precheck, and he couldn't he didn't want to fly because he didn't want to have to like get basically searched every time because he had like some metal in his body, and so you know he didn't want to go with you know basically and be searched by the FAA, and he was just like or TSA or whatever, and uh he was like, I don't want to fly, so you guys we I need a team of researchers to go and do the interviews for me, and I'll just show up for the big ones.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: So he would just drive there, and because of that, I ended up, you know, with Tyrell doing the co-hosting of the conspiracy theory season three, and that's when I start to like get to apply some of the things that I've been reading all my life and to actually you know have conversations with people who claim to be time travelers, who claim to be, you know, have gone like on projects, you know, to jump jump room projects to like teleport, and as far as you know, even teleporting all the way to Mars, uh, people that were targets of directed energy weapons, um, you know, people like uh like the Dr.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_02: Fred Bell, you know, who who passed away like right after we interviewed him, talking about the um and in that show we were talking about the brain invaders, like how the government has technology to like send you know uh thoughts into your brain and to like actually like direct energy to you know as far as audible sounds and and also like Havana syndrome kind of stuff, right?
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: We get sick from these things, all these different topics.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: Reptilians we got into the you know, the David Icke interview with Jesse had a bad interview with David Ike, but that was like that was one of the shows where I was like, Yeah, reptilian stuff, man.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: I've I've been stuck, I've been looking at this for a long time.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think this is real.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: So that's where it all like started, you know, from conspiracy theory that last season of the show going to skinwalker ranch.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we did a lot of stuff, and uh that skinwalker ranch episode was crazy.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, why?
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I saw y'all driving up towards the ranch on the TV show.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was on was it on Discovery Channel or something like that?
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh true TV.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: True TV was on true TV, and then I saw the car like just shut down, like the electronics in the car or something shut down, or the the radio shut off or something in the vehicle as y'all got closer to the ranch.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: But then when y'all got to the gate, it got real spooky.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: I don't remember the shutting down.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think that may the because I know there was another show on on Skinwalker that was like that was a Discovery Channel, I think, where they did like a full season.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: For us, the gate was basically where yeah, I hopped the fence and just started like walking down the road, yeah, and then I started getting like this, like this kind of um burning sensation on my leg, almost like it was really weird.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: It was almost like you know, some kind of was it like a directed energy thing or something?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: But I started feeling it, and I was just like, damn, I should, you know, get out of here.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I I ran back, came back over the fence, and then like a few hours later, I think we had like left, came back, or like basically we were just like hanging out, and it was now nightfall.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_02: And that was the moment when I was walking towards the like basically I was like walking towards the front fence because and I heard something like that kind of sound, and I just froze, and I'm just like listening, like what's going on?
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what is that, you know?
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: And then after a few seconds, it's gone.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I turn around and Tyrell Ventura was behind me, and he was just looking up with his mouth agape, and it was like he goes, Did you see that?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: I go, see what you know.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, Okay, because he didn't believe in UFOs, right?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: He was like skeptical.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, All right, this craft just like appeared dimensionally, it seemed like a dimensional shift, you know.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: It like appears in the sky, he's like, it looked like a diamond-shaped craft, and he's like, it looked like it emitted like some green light, and then it just like shot off, shot, you know, shot away.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: So we didn't get it on camera, but I heard it.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know, he saw it.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: No, that was a cra that was an incredible show.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Again, it also inspired a lot of um the younger crowd to, you know, like you know, younger meaning, like 50 and under, to start really looking into these things, asking more questions, um, and also kind of made it cool too, you know.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: So that's pretty good.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I always, of course, been inspired by some some of the other luminaries and uh some of the other greats, but sometimes you see someone that you kind of just feel like you relate to, and you say, Well, they're doing it, you know.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: I definitely need to do this.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I had wanted to do it, and you know, and but that's when I started knocking on the door.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I was actually like knocking on the door at the conscious life, like, hey guys, I want to speak.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: And they just ignored me for the first year.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: They ignored me the second year.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: But in between the second and the third, they they could they they responded to me and and gave me a free room and told me to come speak.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and then that room was full.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was like only held like 35 people, but I had standing room only around the walls, and they recorded that presentation, and that presentation ended up uh getting sent out to many conferences, and that's how I started getting booked, you know.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: So that was kind of my my uh my starting point there for as far as speaking on these topics.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: But but watching that show, that show was incredible, man.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: It was uh, you know, it was something pretty cool, and uh it's like I started realizing that disclosure and the whole, I guess, the change in what people wanted to know and the questions people had about certain things were shifting and changing when you begin to see shows like that on mainstream TV, you know?
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and so that was pretty cool to see.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, I agreed.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, again, it was it was like that was the beginning for me of you know, after that, after that came out in uh 2012, you know, again, like conspiracy theory didn't have like a huge audience, um, but it was unfortunate that they, you know, they canceled the show after that season.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: So that was, you know, that I think we given like where obviously where things went, I think a show like that could have really blown up more, you know.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: But instead, I mean, you know, it was it's frustrating, you know, when you're in the culture that wants to watch like you know, the Kardashians instead of you know a show that conspiracy theory, it's just you know, it's like what do you do?
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know, what do you do with that?
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's just where the culture's at, that's where the consciousness is at.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I think now obviously people are more there's a much bigger appetite for the conspiracy stuff.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: So even my Buzzsaw show, which was very much a continuation, uh, because like um a couple of Mel Gibson's kids were doing this this podcast, like they were basically starting, it was before podcasting, like we really were like in the very beginning phase in 2014, 2015, right?
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: It was not as big as it as it's become, you know, that space.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there wasn't like you know, Apple Podcasts or any of that kind of stuff.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: There was just YouTube, and so they were like, you know, we want to do like some YouTube shows, and they had like the studio called Lip, the Lip TV, which you know, they were partnered with Young Turks, and it was like they did a number of of other shows, but I brought Tyrell and then he brought Tabitha, and so we ended up doing like they would do the news, I would do interviews, you know, and and that ultimately got us picked up by RT America, so that we ended up co-hosting, you know, the RT show, watching the Hawks for like five years.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: But the lip was really just a continuation for me of the interviews that I enjoyed doing on conspiracy theory, where it was like, all right, you know, I talked to you know the the time travelers and the people talking about reptilians and stuff.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_02: Let me now get into like a format where I can just have long-form conversations with these people, you know.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: And um, and again, it was like the timing, I guess, was just we were too, you know, it was like we were too we were there too soon, you know.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um RT.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was a great show.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I mean all of it.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, RT was RT again, was you know, that was that was what it was.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, RT was what it was, right?
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we knew even though we had some of the best journalists like Chris Hedges and stuff, you know, and stuff, and Tom Hartman and people like that, we knew what we were up against because you know, it was the beginning of Russian propaganda, like there was the anti-Russia propaganda started hardcore 2014 with the Maidan coup in Ukraine.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: So we already knew like we're working with Russia, we're we're never gonna get the eyeballs that we should get, you know, that CNN gets and stuff, because we're actually, you know, we're a very good journalist, we're just coming at it from a more critical eye, you know, of US policy.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: And then um, you know, like I said, with the Lip, which was you know, before the podcast craze, you know, we were doing these great conversations, and you know, ultimately, uh, it just you know, the lib couldn't couldn't make money on the YouTube revenue alone.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: And so again, like we ended up closing the podcast down, but right before you know podcasts really took off.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it's all you know, it's all interesting about timing.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: Timing is everything with this stuff.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it sure is, man.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: Now with your father being, you know, a big time, you know, producer, movie producer, and and filmmaker and all that writer.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: For those of you who don't know, his father's Oliver Stone.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what did what was his like view on the angle you took with um you know talking on these fringe topics?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, my dad, I think, was like, oh, this is my uh all my conspiracy theories like manifest, you know, basically, uh, you know, it's it was sort of uh uh how do you say there was there was a certain um recursion, I don't know, recursiveness or to it, or like it's like a reflection.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was like a reflection for him, right?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: Of uh again, you know, like all the all the conspiracy theories.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Because I, you know, I just I would open it up, you know, I would talk about anything.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: And uh he's not as interested, I would say, in the metaphysics.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's where you know he and I would sort of split off, where yeah, um for him, you know, he he focuses on um the con you know, he's obviously done interviews with people like Castro and Putin and Chavez and whatnot.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: And like a lot of his discourse was like more critical of US policy, right?
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: As you can see from everything from like his film about Salvador or um, I mean, even even Scarface and stuff, you know, and Midnight Express, you know, criticism of US drug policy, things like this, right?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um and so uh I think my dad's more of like, you know, he's based in the material realm of criticizing the uh you know government, and uh, you know, before before the before the deep state, you know, just the idea of like you know, CIA.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, as I said, he, you know, JFK is like one of the first mainstream conspiracy theory movies, probably like the the most, you know.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, yeah, there was some stuff in the 70s, but JFK really like made conspiracy theory mainstream, so you know, he's sensitive to it, but his perspective is more the material world, and the mind was like, okay, we can we can talk about the material conspiracy theories, but I'm trying to understand how this unfolds across generations, and that's why I've always been more inclined to like look at the esoteric because I'm like this kind of evil that that we are addressing when you get to like an Epstein, you know, what's coming out with Epstein is just like tip of the iceberg still, right?
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: But the idea of like deep evil of like, you know, sacrifice and trafficking of little kids and you know, whatever, you know, the the the rituals, the the ritual nature of power, right?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's as you know, like there seems to be bloodlines.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: That are involved in this.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: And there's you know, these are ancient traditions and these are like ancient deals with demons that are being passed, you know, from one generation to the next.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's the only way I can fathom a conspiracy that runs across centuries, right?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: Or millennia, you know, and it goes back to you know to the ancient world and to the Babylonians and all this.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's like in the Egyptians and you know, even going back to the days of Atlantis.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: So like I'm more interested in understanding the esoteric side of things so that we can or the metaphysical to understand, like, okay, how does this conspiracy evolve and how do they have so much power that you know it it's it's beyond just people doing bad stuff in this life, you know?
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: It seems like it's got more driving it, you know.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're so right.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: You hit it on the head, man.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's so much more than that because I remember um you know reading these tablets and studying this this text, and I kept seeing this current, this, this consistent theme going back thousands of years, as you just stated.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then I saw a recent movie called Spotlight, about maybe 10 years ago.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and Spotlight was exposing the Catholic Church.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: It was an independent film, but it went mainstream.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think it's Ruff Lowe's one of the star actors, uh, quite a few good actors in the in the at the one of the greatest Batmans ever was in there.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot his name.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: He played Batman.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Michael Michael Keaton.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, I think that was him.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but um, but so but the point was is that when they interviewed, and this was based on a true story, they interviewed one of the um uh one of the Catholic priests and were asking him why they were involved in this in this uh activity with these young boys, and he said, Because we have to.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: And this was from a quote that was taken from actual real interviews, a real statement, you know, from when it from the real people that actually asked him that question.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, Because we have to, and I'm thinking, you have to, like, who and what and why, where, when, why do you have to?
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, who is orchestrating, who is controlling these particular rituals, as you stated, and it is something so deep and so dark that goes back so many millennia, and whatever it is still is still acting today, it's still heavily engaged in mankind today, and that is why the metaphysical, like you talk about, is so important because we have to see behind the veil and we have to strip away this dark veil, this veil of darkness that's been covering our eyes, so we can see what's really going on.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think people are just now starting to wake up after these Epstein files are just scratching the surface, you know.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, absolutely they are.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, I mean what do you think within the Catholic Church?
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's it seems to me like the Catholic Church is itself, I mean, I hate to say it, but a type of satanic power structure.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it really is just the old, it's the Roman Empire continued, right?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: And the same kind of things that went on in the Roman times, as we know, the Pederasty, the you know, this you know, the wealth and the old, you know, the oligarchs essentially, right, of the Roman Senate.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: Is I think a film like Spartacus shows a little bit of the decadence, right, of of the Roman senators.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: And essentially that became the Roman Curia or the Holy Roman Curia, right?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: The Holy Roman Empire continuing through the through the Catholic faith, and the Pope basically taking the role of the Emperor, right?
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_02: He is the the ruler of the um essentially is the ruler of the world until Christ returns, right?
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: He holds the keys to the kingdoms.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that's pretty dark to my perspective.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, dark.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: When you look back at the papal inquisitions, which took place over 700 years under the order of the popes, they killed and tortured over 80 million people.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I just came back from Rome and you know, they have the museums there.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: And in some of those museums, you can find the torture tools that they utilized, they have them on display in order to force people into their belief system.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, you know, if anybody was a healer or was a sage or a wisdom keeper or had good intuition, then right away they were, they were supposedly now the ones that were evil.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: And they had the Pope's spear, which was this uh uh pear-shaped, uh spring-loaded object they would put inside the woman's private part and it would spring load and explode open from the inside.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: And they had this pyramid that would aspire going up about maybe three feet, and it would roll a man up by his arms, and they would roll him down onto the sphere through his back, through his butt, up and down, up and down until eventually, you know, uh until he couldn't take any more and pass away.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: And this is the kind of stuff they have on display.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: Some Hellraiser, some Hellraiser ideas.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Hellraiser got some ideas from here, I'm guessing.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Sick.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, sick.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it just makes you ask like, how in the world do they still gain followers?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: How in the world do they still gain participants in their system?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's a big thing right now.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, a lot of people are converting to Catholicism.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know it's huge, it's getting bigger than ever.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, which is pretty wild.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, I think there's a certain I think, you know, again, I think people appreciate the pageantry, right?
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: The pageantry around it.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's got there's a certain uh formality to the the ceremonies.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um and you know, again, the the feeling, I guess, or the idea around confession can feel like a release.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: But as we know, the confession for a long time operated as you know, that's the original intelligence services right there.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: Come and give me, tell me your sins, you know, so I know exactly what you know, the dirt about you.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: So you're speaking to the informants, that's the old way.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: You're speaking to the informants.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: They go back and tell the king and the queen and everybody in positions of power what you just did and what you just said, you know, you get exposed, and then they use blackmail against you to control you if you have any kind of power whatsoever.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't, well, then they just probably you know make you pay a lot of this extra cheese, extra money.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, yeah.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: And the thing about the whole thing, it really just uh you don't have to be accountable for everything, anything, because you can pay your penance and you can you know repent and you can do this and do that.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: You can give your uh you can go in there and tell your whole story to the priest, and um, and then supposedly that wipes you clean to start fresh again the next day, going right back to sinning all over again, no accountability whatsoever.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and I think it's um that instantaneous success that people also are drawn to.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like I can just go in here, do a couple things, and tomorrow I'm clean again, and I can start all over again.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think that it's one of humanity's biggest downfalls is the fact that we don't take accountability for our actions and learn from our mistakes.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: Instead, we just in a lot of cases relinquish uh our wrongdoings to an outside deity or source, uh, do a couple of rituals, and then we're good to go again.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, so so I so one of the debates that I always find curious, you know, is that people talk about like the power structure, right?
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of people, as you know, now in the in the conspiracy world, or just not even conspiracy world, actually, just in like in the across the social media, right?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's um there's a lot of awareness of Zionism, you know, and and a lot of people ascribe that the conspiracy is is run by Zionists.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um I have a harder time thinking that the Zionists are really like running the thing.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: But I do think it's curious, others will say that it's it's uh it's Catholic, it's still like the Jesuits that are the actual like orchestrators.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I think both are still kind of controlled by higher power.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: But what's your take on the like the sort of the power structure, like at the at the head of it?
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: Would you say like I mean, clearly we believe there's something like extra-dimensional, right?
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: Over the in some way, you know, the Zionists, the Jesuits, especially the black pope, not the black man, but the black pope.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: He wears the black garb, the super Jesuit.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, is it the current Pope?
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, not the current one.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_02: The previous Pope was the black pope and the white pope, the one who was from Argentina, the one uh he who died.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think he was both black pope and white.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: He was both.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: He was both, yeah, exactly.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who the new black pope is right now, not the black man for anyone who's listening.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about a black pope.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: He wears the black garb, he's got a lot of power.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: Who is the head of the Jesuits?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: Huh?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's the is he the head of the Jesuits, the black pope?
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: Head of the Jesuits, correct.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, head of the Jesuits.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, then you have the of course you have the you know, you have the Zionists, you have the head of them uh right now, or the head of them on earth is Satany Yahoo.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: I call him Satany Yahu.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then you've got uh Do you think he's really the head of it though?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think they would be so on earth?
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: He's the propped up head on earth, he's the he's the puppet dictator for whoever is above that, that's really pulling all the strings and controlling all the turmoil around the entire planet, all the divide and conquer, all the um colonialism and take over and settling this land and settling that land and create the chaos and create the fake wars and steal the resources.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: And at the at the top of this, I don't think it has anything to do with money.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: At the very top above the human uh human experience, I believe that it goes back to the art, the archons in some of these ancient texts where they are living off of that negative energy, they're feeding off of it.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: And the more energy they can create in that vibration, the more abundant they feel.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, they they need that to live.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: They they in some way they get they get some type of satisfaction off of draining that energy from mankind and consuming it.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, maybe that's how they expand their dark empire.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's dark matter, you know.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows, man?
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's so wild.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's so wild, you know, it's just so wild, but it's definitely not.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's human in nature.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, I was just curious what you thought about the human power structure, you know, okay, yeah.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_02: In terms of like, you know, is it the British Empire still?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know, is it like you know, City of London?
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: Is it like the the gnomes of Switzerland?
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: You know, is it the Illuminati?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, I was just curious how you perceive the the physical power structure, you know, at the top.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the physical power structure is kind of tricky.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think it gets into some of these secret societies.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: I know the Illuminati is one, but you know, you have the um the Council for Foreign Relations and uh and all these other little you know these conglomerates that have been formed where these top leaders come together and in some way they collaborate and contrive to make future plans going hundreds of years into the future, and everyone's kind of on the same page until someone like recently kind of goes off script.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, there does seem to be a conflict.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's that's what I'm observing.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't know if it the power structure is as centralized or if it's more like three or four different, you know, different things that are sometimes conflicting, you know, because you sometimes feel like there is something to this national versus globalist agenda, you know, and it feels like you know, like what you know, the people behind Trump are more the nationalist guys, right?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: And even if even if they're gonna work with the techn the technocracy, you know, like you know, the Palantirs and whatnot, you know, but they still have some impulse of like, we want, you know, we want to see America, we want America to survive.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: We don't want to be taken over by the global, you know, the global Illuminati agenda kind of thing, right?
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: Do you do you get that impression that there's that there's yeah, I do get that.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: I get that impression from them for sure.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the only thing that really happened uh with this whole administration was those files came out and jeopardized.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe there was a lot of blackmail involved because it kind of went kind of south.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: But that to me was the initial impression that that I did get.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then you have that globalist agenda as well, you know.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, because Trump seems to be pretty against that agenda, right?
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, but whether it's the tariffs, whether it's like constantly basically saying, you know, globalism is not working.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the Elons are, you know, they're they're they're they're opposed to this idea of the open borders.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there is something to this, right?
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_02: There is something like something real, you know, to this conflict, it feels, you know, against the idea of just like the open borders, you know, flood Europe with migrants, flood America with illegals, you know, take over.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: Basically, long term it's going to be the takeover of the United States, you know, because that's obviously what the globalists want.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: The globalists don't want America to be a sovereign nation, right?
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: And there's there's a compete, there's a competition for the control and the battle for control over everything.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you're right.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's this two, there's a competing, there might be two or three of them.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: They're all competing uh for different power struggles.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: It kind of takes me back to the book of Deuteronomy where there were these, uh, it almost makes you trying to, when you're reading it, you try to you try to understand it, but it seems like it's not really just one God talking to these people.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: It seems like it's multiple people who are in positions of power telling others to go to this town.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: I want to take over this entire town, I want to take over this city, go destroy and kill everybody, go over here and wipe them out.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like they're fighting over control of resources and people because they're like, bring me back the spoils of war.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I know God don't need no spoils of war.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, right away, that tells me it's some kind of elitist agenda there going on.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: But it seems like that same system has uh implanted itself, it's still running today, and there's these competing factions of big power uh that are still going after the same thing, the same resources.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: Some want to take over the whole planet, some don't want to see America be a sovereign nation.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, some want to take over other continents.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's just yeah.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: But the craziest part about all of this, it's a small group of people, you know, and we have to find a way to overcome this.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well, as you know, the Anunnaki text.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, essentially it's like, you know, Mar Marduk is the head of this city, and uh, you know, uh and Leel is the head of that one, right?
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there is something, Gods of the Bible, I think, was the book.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this Hebrew scholar goes into uh just like Jehovah is clearly one of many gods, you know, and this this fixation on Jehovah is the is like really what baffles me is the Christians buying into that, you know, the Yahweh is like the creator.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like nothing in that text reads like the creator.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: It reads like it reads like a like someone who's got uh, you know, maybe those are some of you know his progeny or what they call the Hebrews are somehow like genetically connected to him, his people, and you know, he's declaring war on on other people.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: So there's yeah, it doesn't seem to me like the creator of all would you know would would have this kind of discrimination, right, between between his people and other people.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_02: That's not the creator of all, you know.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: If you if you created everything, they're all your children, right?
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: There's something really off um in those old you know, testament texts about, you know, and you can tell that there's uh there's conflict between various gods, um so or self-proclaimed gods, archons probably.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: And uh and towards your point about the the feeding, I mean, I think that's the that's something I've directly experienced when I, you know, when I've gone, you know, ghost hunting and gone to like these haunted places, you know, mental hospitals, especially abandoned mental hospitals, you know, these buildings where a lot of people have come with um, you know, with uh you know, demon possession, let's basically say, right?
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, some of it may, you know, some of it just may be mental, but I think a lot of it is demon possession, and and there's also people dying there and who've died there and buried there.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: So there's a lot of haunted energy.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: And um the first, you know, what you feel tangibly is the energy of it, the heaviness, the fear.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: And so what fear does is like, especially when it's concentrated in that kind of way, um you start to go into that fear and you start to attract like low vibration entities, right?
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: Lower astral entities or whatnot, they'll start to like attract to you, and and then it starts to manifest.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like you go into fear and you manifest fear.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: And so humans are such powerful creators, right?
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: Our mind, you know, are basically what we are as these beings and these uh starship bodies that we've you know that we're inhabiting, we can manifest as you know, like very powerfully.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: So, what they want to do is they basically permeate the psychosphere, the new sphere with fear of as you say, like through the programming, whether it's shows, whether it's media, whether it's hate, it's like it's always fear, fear, fear, fear, fear.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_02: Let's magnify every incident, let's get people talking about every bad thing, right?
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: The majority of news is negative, negative things, fear-based things, you know, even fear of the fear of the weather, you name it, right?
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_02: Fear, fear of the weather, fear of something.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_02: But people are operating on that fear, and so collectively we're manifesting darker reality, a darker reality, right?
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: Because the thought has to go somewhere, the energy of that has to go somewhere, it has to manifest in some form.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: So we have to get a hold of ourselves, and that's you know, that was my experience with the dark side, was like, okay, let me get hold of myself, let me connect to faith, feel the faith in my creator, and then faith is like your armor, you know.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's why they say put on the full armor of God.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's faith.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: And when you have that, you realize none nothing, nothing can harm you without God's permission, right?
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, okay, I put it in God's hands, take the ego out of it.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: Now you start to raise your vibration, you start to come from a place more of love, of compassion, because nothing can touch love.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you know, what can you do?
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's like a smile, it's like it's uh it's your choice.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_02: When you want to stop smiling, you stop smiling.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: But as long as you're smiling, you have the power, you know.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: And so once you get to that place of a higher vibration, more love, you raise the vibration around you, you can manifest, we can collectively manifest a more peaceful reality, right?
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: A more harmonious reality.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we've got to work on ourselves, we've got to work on our attention, you know, how much we're giving to our fear.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, fear is okay, it's just we gotta transmute it.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's the technology, that's the tool, right?
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: That we have to understand.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, you know, watch a movie where like I like Nightmare in Elm Street, where you know, she realizes I'm taking my power back.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna give you, you know, dream demon.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna give you power anymore.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna take the power away from you.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not afraid of you anymore.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like that message is very important.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_02: You have to operate with that.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: I can take the power back, I can turn my attention away, I can, I can laugh at the de at the devil, I can smile at the devil.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like it now, you take the power away from the the thing that's scaring you, and you now have the you have reclaimed agency.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's so powerful, man.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's so powerful.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like what I teach in my mentoring program.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't ignore some of these emotions and feelings and just be like, oh, I'm crazy, I'm gonna vibrate high.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's there.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: Acknowledge it.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: Say, tell, tell yourself you see it.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: You can even give it a name, but you can tell it, I'm not gonna allow you to control my life anymore.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm taking the wheel.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna drive this vehicle.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna drive this vehicle called Life.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, but I see you, I know that you're there to try to protect me.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's what the original uh purpose of that fear is for, to for protection.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm safe and I'm gonna take the wheel.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: And just that acknowledgement of it, not to pretend like it didn't happen or doesn't exist, but to see it, feel it, and then alchemically convert it into your power and light and love.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you're right, you know, uh just say, Hey, I got faith that I'm gonna walk through this and I'm gonna get through this situation, no matter what it looks like right now, you know, uh, and belief in that.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely, man.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean you give it the you basically say, Okay, you know what?
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: God, universe, you've got this, you know, and that takes the pressure off too.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's just like I trust you.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: You're you know, you'll know you'll navigate where I need to go and what I need to do, and it takes the emphasis off of our own like ego trying to figure out, you know, fix, control.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: What where do you think we're going?
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of, you know, talking about spiritual and meta and metaphysics, where do you think we're going as a civilization with the integration of AI systems and robotics and automation?
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I would like to envision, I got it's funny, I got into like Star Trek a lot a few years ago, right?
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um I want to say right before like Chat GPT started, you know, getting popular, right?
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_02: I was like really into the whole Star Trek series.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: I went back and watched all the movies from the you know from the original from the 70s on.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, you know, this is a great way for us to work with, you know, a you know, globalism in a in a in a healthy way, maybe, you know, maybe there is a way that we're gonna be more connected as humans, right?
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: Without the power structure of a dark elite who are, you know, owning and owning everything and controlling everything, right?
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_02: Not that version, but the reality where like humans do come together and say, yeah, you know, you're you're my brother, my sister from across all lands, and we have empathy for each other, and we're able to work together, right?
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_02: And venture out into space, let's say, whatever that looks like.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, who knows?
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_02: If we're you know, but the idea of like being able to develop technology, like, you know, and capable enough to colonize Mars, I imagine with that, you know, with that technology, we can understand, you know, fusion, we can few fusion power and other, you know, even more advanced.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_02: Advanced, anti-gravitic kind of technologies, uh, you know, we'll understand energy and consciousness will can go hand in hand in that sense, right?
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_02: We'll become uh be you know, the idea of fusion is like transmuting, right?
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: We can we can take resources and create more resources, we can create infinite resources, like that mentality.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: And so I look at it like the positive of I believe we're shifting more to uh let's say like what people describe as the fifth dimension, and that's more energy-based, right?
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: More understanding that everything is energy.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: Quantum physics has opened that window, that door into that understanding, right?
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_02: And even recently, with some of the physics, Nobel Prizes and physics have gone to people talking about the universe is non-local, right?
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: We can act at a distance, and consciousness is everything.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: There is no like reality, there's no uh how you say there's no like nothing real without consciousness.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: So as we move more into this understanding of energy and being able to work with energy, being able to not say like I don't know how it's gonna feel, you know, the fifth dimension, but it already feels in a sense like we are I'm uh we're already in that space of like now.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's about divine timing, it's not about um Saturnian structures of time.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know, what day is today?
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what day today is, I don't know what time it is.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: I just know now, like okay, I have something to do, I do it now.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_02: The future is you know, the future is left to the energy of alignment.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: The past can be reconstructed through consciousness, right?
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: When we forgive things, when we shift our perspective, all of a sudden, like the past can change and the future, you know, again, the alignment that that we create in the future comes from our decisions now.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: So being more present to that, it's like dreamlike, you know.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, how am I how did I end up here?
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, just I'm just here.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna align, you know.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_02: And um, and so again, like so as we shift more in that consciousness, I feel like the AI, kind of like in Star Trek, like the AI plays a great supporting role, you know, whether it's data or whether it's you know, um, well the character data, but like, you know, whether it's whatever, like it can it can be a supporting role.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_02: Now there's the danger of the Borg, absolutely, in the Star Wars Star Trek universe.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, there are definitely like there's the reptilians, there's different, there's different beings out there, right?
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_02: That can be threats and hostile, and others that are positive and and benevolent.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_02: But the most dangerous is the Borg because the Borg want to assimilate everyone.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I that movie I remember, you know, distinctly like affecting my consciousness because it's very scary, the idea that we can all be assimilated, right?
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: And lose free will, and essentially, you know, just be plugged into you know to this to the hive and you know and lose our our sovereignty, our authenticity, our our our soul's unique, you know, thing.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_02: And that's so again, I think the borg, you know, can I think it already exists in the universe, it's the iconic energy, right?
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's the hive mind.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_02: So there is like there is a dark side to AI, but there's you know, but there's also the positive side to AI.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's really a question of how we are we navigate that, you know, if we choose to become the Borg and lose, you know, lose our ability to think for ourselves and just become completely dependent on AI and basically become like become like a hive, or do we use it as our support so that we can actually like you know create more rapidly, uh have robotics help us with you know with with our great works and our projects that we're you know that we're doing um yeah, healing to heal the planet and to heal ourselves, you know.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_02: So all of this I'm more of an optimist about.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: I I think you hit on the head.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: I I I was doing a lecture uh a few months ago and I was talking about because someone asked the question, and and I said that as I believe that humanity is coming to a fork in the road.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: If we go down the left fork where we move into collaboration with uh AI intelligence, uh it'll be AGI or ASI, artificial general intelligence or artificial superintelligence by then, um, and we and uh we move into collaboration with it, we can move towards a golden age 10 times faster.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: If we go down the right side of that fork in the road, when we want to allow these oligarchs and elites uh and these political figures to continue to dominate the technologies and to force the technology into a form of technocratic slavery, um, and we may be in a situation where you know we have that Borg type of a situation.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I think I really do feel like because so many people are waking up, so many, so many people are waking up in droves.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they tried to hit us with this Havanta virus and it did, it flopped instantaneously, like it didn't have a chance.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, people who I who I knew from years ago that were never conscious were like, man, you see he's got you see what they're trying to do to us, Billy.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what?
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, was it the Hunter?
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_02: I thought they were doing the monkey pox.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_02: I've lost I've lost track of I've lost the thread.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: But the the newest one was Havanta, which was on a couple of people, and they said it never can transfer from human to human, and all of a sudden, miraculously, this thing could transfer from human to human, which means it's been a some gain of function research had been done.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: It obviously is a modified virus uh in some way, shape, or form, and was planted on that ship.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then people were traveling to their countries.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's spreading around the world.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_01: People were like, Man, get the hell out of here.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: We're not wearing masks, we're not taking the Jabowowski thing in our arm.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: We're not playing again.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: People were pissed, and um, I think they saw right away, oh man, this one ain't gonna work again.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna shut the world down again over this one.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: It is so they they stopped talking about it all of a sudden.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think so many people are waking up, man.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, you know what?
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: I believe I really do believe I am very optimistic.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like we will make the right decisions, we will head in the right directions.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: I also feel like there's enough people becoming more consciously aware, they're gonna end up getting positions and starting companies and getting positions of power or perceived positions of power, and but where they can make the right decision behind where they can press the magic buttons, and also people starting new businesses and companies in tech that are already conscious and understand it needs to be used in a Star Trek format, not in this board format.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_02: I again I you know I I believe you know consciousness is is is where it needs to be.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's it's an evolving experience, and we are um we are you know, we are more like it's only been a hundred years that we're so connected as a as a is a human symbolization, you know, if you think about it.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that we're doing all right, you know, with with the evolution of that experience and being able to have more empathy for each other, you know, across nations where literally you never even you know encountered people from you know from other nations unless you were at war or something, you know.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_02: It was very it's yeah, it's it's very it's very good that we are having this much exchange now taking place.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_02: And it's you know, I think we'll we'll get there.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe not tomorrow or maybe not in five years, ten years, but we will get to that place of having more of a uh a global appreciation, you know, that we are all humans sharing in this, you know, sharing this this planet.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_02: We we need to do a better job of of cleaning cleaning this place up so that we can be healthier and live, you know, live healthier in our bodies.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, you know, and then we'll see what about what happens with space because you know, you get such like curious mixed messaging on it.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like, can we get can we go to can we go to space?
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: Can we even go to other planets?
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_02: Is it all just you know, is it all just psyops, or do we have that ability to travel to the stars and become, you know, basically cosmic beings?
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have a take on that?
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think for I've seen a couple of you know, a mix.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen that, in my opinion, I believe we have the technology to travel.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: However, I believe that um at the highest level, a lot of the information has been suppressed because they discovered uh evidence of advanced civilizations.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: I believe that they discovered evidence on the moon.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think the first moon missions were a recognizance mission to go there and see what the hell they saw with those first Mercury, uh Mercury uh satellites before the Apollo missions.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I think they saw some things up there, some anomalies up there that made them go, wait a damn minute.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then I know that China had launched one and was broadcasting live when they let their rover come down the ramp, and their rover immediately ran into a pile of debris far away from where the Apollo missions were.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: And they got stuck in that debris, never got itself freed again.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that what happened was that the big race between America and Russia was to go up there and get bring back some of that stuff to see if they can potentially weaponize it, reverse engineer it, or and of course, at the same time, suppress those uh ancient texts that talk about beings traveling to the moon and even beyond, even to Mars.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, broadcasting back to Earth, fake images, doing some reenactments on Earth, or showing a barren landscape, a mixture of real and a mixture of fake, and kind of make it into a production so that we would think it was just nothing but a cold, dusty rock up there with nothing to see, meanwhile, they're gaining intel.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_01: And what led me to believe this even deeper, Sean, was I downloaded the data from the uh the uh the mission called Clementine.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: This about uh now, this might be 13 years ago.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: So the Clementine mission was a classified, originally a classified military satellite that was sent into low lunar orbit, and it eventually got declassified, and we sent in the FOIA on it.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: We got the Freedom of Information Act, and we got the that we got the data.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_01: And right away, the name itself gave it away.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: I I said to my um my partner, I said, This I bet this object never came back, this satellite never came back.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: And they said, Why would you say that?
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Well, uh Clementine, there's a song, Oh my darling Clementine, you were lost and gone forever.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my darling Clementine.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: And when it got to the back side of the moon, what we call the dark side, it hit something, according to the military, and it literally, but it transmitted before it hit.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: It transmitted uh several gigs of data, which I downloaded, and opening that raw data, untouched, unpre Photoshop, and all this, it had anomalies there, things that should not be on the moon.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I just believe uh that along with another uh foyer request that we put in for the audio, the black box audio of the Apollo mission, you can hear Neil say that he sees dome structures beneath them, and he won, he says, I wonder if the people down there ever get out.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: Strange thing to say uh on a mission.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, so I feel that yes, we went to the moon, but also yes, we lied about it.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot of the the secrets are still being suppressed till this very day.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_02: Again, I mean I'm the same.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, there's uh I'm of multiple minds about it, but I think that uh we do have the technology reverse engineered, and if other craft have come here, you know, we've certainly reverse engineered it, so we have the ability to travel.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um but uh you know, when you talk to people who claim to have been to Mars, it's like, man, either we have uh some kind of military base there, and what the heck are they doing all day, you know, playing ping pong?
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like what's going on.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_03: I just don't understand.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of anomalies on Mars.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_01: There are a lot of anomalies.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_01: Now, whether people are there or not, I can't confirm because I'm not there and I I don't have uh I, you know, some of them people say you know they've been there, I haven't been there.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_01: But what I can tell you is if you go into some raw data, which is available on worldwide telescope.org, or some of the gigapan data, you will see untouched images that come from the mast cam uh from the rovers.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and it's undeniable that there are some anomalies.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: There are things that just don't belong um uh in that area, in that region, certain regions of of the planet Mars.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_01: So who knows, man.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's so much going on.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's such a big story, you know.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, will we ever find all of it out in our lifetime?
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I've already lived over a half a century, so maybe not in my lifetime.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: Unless this AI gets to work and then you know, and and uh lengthens my telomeres so I can live to about 150, I may see some more things, you know.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's I think that's feasible.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_02: I think we definitely could see much prolonged lives.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_02: And again, as long as we maintain health, it's it's worth it, you know.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_02: The nothing worse than being, you know, decaying and in pain, and then you know, then it's I don't think it's worth it.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: But if we can stay healthy and and feel young, you know, and vital for over a hundred years, uh, it'll be fascinating to see, you know, how we can um hopefully impart more wisdom, you know, as a result, right?
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_02: We can carry that wisdom forward and and become you know, help the next generations to to learn because right now, as you know, a lot of people like they start to get wise and they drop dead.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um so it'd be nice to live longer to be able to impart, you know, to pass that wisdom on.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, man.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_01: When an old man dies, a library burns to the ground.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, we've we've got to find a way to pass that wisdom, pass that library down.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, we're especially now that we're beginning to get these remembrances, we're beginning to remember like who we are, what we are, the power that's within us, the divine spark in us, you know, the true nature of God.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_01: All this is finally coming to the top.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so it's well again, we've gotta, it's really important to continue to pass it down, man.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I thank you for your work.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any new projects coming up?
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've got a book coming out.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: Speaking of wisdom, it's uh it's called 10 Things to Learn.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_02: And uh it's gonna be on pre-sale later this in the next few days, and it's gonna come out in September.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_02: And it's basically um, you know, I think what I would consider, you know, one of the most important things that we're here to to understand and learn as humans.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um and it's drawing, I draw upon world mythology, I draw upon uh the Bible, but biblical stories, uh, the life of Christ, the life of Buddha, like all, you know, and really just try to, you know, impart like the moral, the moral teachings and lessons, right, from these different stories.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I think I think it's a really powerful little tool.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like a long book, it's concise.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_02: But um yeah, you know, I feel like I'm drawing upon things that I there was a reason why, you know, I I studied Greek myths as a kid and was able to get such a great education with you know classical literature and whatnot, because especially with the young nowadays, I don't know how much they're getting from the classics.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_02: So I think this is a great, a great little book for them.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_01: Nice, nice.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking forward to that, man.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure I get the link so I can add it to this video.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_01: And when we take the another, we're gonna take the same video, we're gonna edit it and put it on our other YouTube account and release it again.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll put that link in there and make sure it goes out.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh second version, first volume number two of this video for sure.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: Great, that sounds good.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, man.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_01: Appreciate you, brother, man.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, thank you for hopping on, man.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate you, brother.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, looking forward to having you.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta get you in the studio next time.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be fun.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_01: Why not?
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_01: We gotta do it.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: We gotta do it.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll make it happen.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still over here in Boca Raton.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm on the east coast of uh Florida, so um, but yeah, we'll make it happen, man.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_01: I would love that.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_01: All right, man.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: All right, y'all.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: We're getting out.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_01: This is Sean Stone, amazing human being.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's really out here seeking the truth, providing the truth, and trying to pass down that truth.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: Until next time, we'll catch y'all later.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: Peace.